Teenage starlet Shaw a Saints torchbearer

Teenage starlet Shaw a Saints torchbearer

Teenage starlet Shaw a Saints torchbearer

First published in Saints News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Luke Shaw is leading the way for Saints as the club boast the youngest team in the Premier League.
At just 17-years-old, Shaw is the youngest player in the top flight, slotting into the youngest side.
The last round of fixtures saw Saints field a team with an average age of less than 24 – younger than any other side in the division and about seven years younger than Fulham.
Shaw is the torch bearer for this, as one of only two 17-year-olds who started in the latest round of Premier League games.
But while Liverpool’s England international Raheem Sterling turns 18 next month, Shaw doesn’t reach that particular milestone until next July.
Possibly surprisingly, Shaw was one of only SIX teenagers who started their club’s most recent Premier League game out of 210 players.
Of those, Liverpool fielded half of them – 19-year-olds Suso and Andre Wisdom also starting alongside Sterling against Wigan at Anfield.
Manchester City defender Matija Nastasic and Swansea full back Ben Davies are also 19.
Two more 19-year-olds came on as a sub – ex-Saint Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain at Arsenal and Newcastle’s Gail Bigrimana.
It all goes to underline Saints’ commitment to youth, redoubled this week with a new five-year contract for 18-year-old James Ward-Prowse.
“There is a vision at the football club to bring our youngsters through the system,” reflected Saints boss Nigel Adkins.
“James Ward-Prowse has been playing and been there on merit and done ever so well and Luke Shaw we have high hopes for.
“He came off against Swansea with cramp and came off again (at QPR) with cramp.
“He’s a young 17-year-old and it’s probably highlighted more because he’s a defender that he’s had to come off, but we did it with Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain when he was here and he was coming off with cramp towards the end of game.
“It is a bit easier when it’s a forward player and a bit more challenging when it’s a defender, but I’ve got to have the confidence to go and do that.
“We believe he’s played ever so well again and we’ve got a lot of confidence in him.
“How is he going to gain experience? He’s only going to gain it by playing.
“I’ve got to have the confidence and the belief and the resolve to say ‘if you’re ready, I’m going to play you.’”
Saints are committed to try to get young players through their system and into the first team.
That remains a tough challenge when you consider that, despite such a young side, Saints only had two academy developed products in their starting line-up for the win over QPR – Shaw and captain Adam Lallana.
Adkins is the man who has to make the big calls on whether to include the youngsters or not, and is taking his responsibility very seriously.
“We are very mindful of not putting any of the youngsters in a situation that could have an adverse effect on them,” he said.
“We take a lot of care and attention about the youngsters that we have at the football club because we have a growing responsibility for their development.
“We want to give them that opportunity to develop and nurture them.
“I’ve done it in the past and there are times when we will put them in and take them out and give them that opportunity to gain them experience and keep progressing.
“That’s going to continue.”

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8:04am Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up. What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future. Velleity
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8:05am Wed 21 Nov 12

GX Saint says...

This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time.
You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves.
Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road.
COYR
This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time. You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves. Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road. COYR GX Saint
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8:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Looked very assured on Saturday and unless injury or a drop in form forces him out it looks like he's making that position his, lets hope team Saint are working on a long term contract for him too if he carriers on progressing.
Looked very assured on Saturday and unless injury or a drop in form forces him out it looks like he's making that position his, lets hope team Saint are working on a long term contract for him too if he carriers on progressing. SaintAsh1964
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8:41am Wed 21 Nov 12

Red n White says...

We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future. Red n White
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8:46am Wed 21 Nov 12

SO50 Saint says...

He's looked excellent and tbf to Nigel was a great decision when bringing Fox on on Sat. 4 points over the next week would be great 6 would be fantastic going to Anfield full of confidence and you never know won their before remember the game in 03 we were magnificent possibly M Svennson's best game for the club
He's looked excellent and tbf to Nigel was a great decision when bringing Fox on on Sat. 4 points over the next week would be great 6 would be fantastic going to Anfield full of confidence and you never know won their before remember the game in 03 we were magnificent possibly M Svennson's best game for the club SO50 Saint
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8:53am Wed 21 Nov 12

Red n White says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
He's looked excellent and tbf to Nigel was a great decision when bringing Fox on on Sat. 4 points over the next week would be great 6 would be fantastic going to Anfield full of confidence and you never know won their before remember the game in 03 we were magnificent possibly M Svennson's best game for the club
I think the players will be really up for the Liverpool game, especially with Adkins and Lambert both being Liverpool fans!!
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: He's looked excellent and tbf to Nigel was a great decision when bringing Fox on on Sat. 4 points over the next week would be great 6 would be fantastic going to Anfield full of confidence and you never know won their before remember the game in 03 we were magnificent possibly M Svennson's best game for the club[/p][/quote]I think the players will be really up for the Liverpool game, especially with Adkins and Lambert both being Liverpool fans!! Red n White
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8:57am Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

The shaman is a great player. Long may he be a saint. Sign him to a five year deal, quick!
The shaman is a great player. Long may he be a saint. Sign him to a five year deal, quick! City Saint
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8:58am Wed 21 Nov 12

puppy saint says...

Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today. puppy saint
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9:01am Wed 21 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

It is just refreshing that our first instinct is no longer that he will be sold if he continues to get better and better.

It will be interesting in January .. we still need to strengthen .. but then again we may be looking to sell some too. There's the book keeping to be kept balanced as well as the team balance and we know that Cortese is a consummate business man. Remember we have already effectively off loaded Hammond and Sharp.

Anyway, a good story to start a Wednesday, upbeat and optimistic.

See ! It can be done.
It is just refreshing that our first instinct is no longer that he will be sold if he continues to get better and better. It will be interesting in January .. we still need to strengthen .. but then again we may be looking to sell some too. There's the book keeping to be kept balanced as well as the team balance and we know that Cortese is a consummate business man. Remember we have already effectively off loaded Hammond and Sharp. Anyway, a good story to start a Wednesday, upbeat and optimistic. See ! It can be done. Alicesdad
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9:02am Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.
I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.[/p][/quote]I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away. Velleity
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9:24am Wed 21 Nov 12

up saints says...

picking up on the above the team is all about midfield and balance keep this team together with the odd tinkering for injuries and the odd ban we will be ok.jumping the gun to jan with shaw at the back fonte and yosh look more settled.i would only look at maybe getting butland in jan and if gazza keeps improving we could even be ok in that department.
picking up on the above the team is all about midfield and balance keep this team together with the odd tinkering for injuries and the odd ban we will be ok.jumping the gun to jan with shaw at the back fonte and yosh look more settled.i would only look at maybe getting butland in jan and if gazza keeps improving we could even be ok in that department. up saints
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9:52am Wed 21 Nov 12

Cheapshot says...

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
Don't forget Mayuka! Big things to come from him in the future.
[quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]Don't forget Mayuka! Big things to come from him in the future. Cheapshot
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9:54am Wed 21 Nov 12

Clever Dick says...

It really is an awesome performance from the young man. I was put up one year for my town team back in my schooldays and I was scared to death. To play in the Prem. and do well at 17 against established players shows great mental strength.
It really is an awesome performance from the young man. I was put up one year for my town team back in my schooldays and I was scared to death. To play in the Prem. and do well at 17 against established players shows great mental strength. Clever Dick
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9:58am Wed 21 Nov 12

SaintPC says...

Some comments on the above...

I think we have a great young squad, and one that seems to be playing better and better each game. Granted those games are now against lesser opposition, but we all knew as Saints fans that the start had been tough and the league position wasn't reflective of where we should be. You can only judge at Christmas when everyone has played each other once and the league begins to take shape.

I would welcome Brad Friedel as a great signing for a couple of years, helping to bring Gazza through. Keep KD as good back-up and a great example of how to be part of the team/club appropriately. Offload Boruc.

I do think we also need another strong and fast centre-half. Hats off to Fonte, he has come on leaps and bounds the last month or so, and Yoshida has started to settle and take some of the ball playing strain from Fonte - letting him concentrate on winning headers and tackles.

My worry is that one of them will be suspended at some point and we need more strength in depth. Michael Dawson would be a good signing for us I think.

Apart from that we have good depth all over the pitch, things look good for the future.
Some comments on the above... I think we have a great young squad, and one that seems to be playing better and better each game. Granted those games are now against lesser opposition, but we all knew as Saints fans that the start had been tough and the league position wasn't reflective of where we should be. You can only judge at Christmas when everyone has played each other once and the league begins to take shape. I would welcome Brad Friedel as a great signing for a couple of years, helping to bring Gazza through. Keep KD as good back-up and a great example of how to be part of the team/club appropriately. Offload Boruc. I do think we also need another strong and fast centre-half. Hats off to Fonte, he has come on leaps and bounds the last month or so, and Yoshida has started to settle and take some of the ball playing strain from Fonte - letting him concentrate on winning headers and tackles. My worry is that one of them will be suspended at some point and we need more strength in depth. Michael Dawson would be a good signing for us I think. Apart from that we have good depth all over the pitch, things look good for the future. SaintPC
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10:00am Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Cortese's vision is all about putting a system in place that makes us sustainable and successful for the long term and the youth policy is at the heart of it. Once the conveyor belt is up and properly running then we're going to be unstoppable.

It's so rare to see things done properly - it's rarer still to see us do things properly - so we should be patient, think long-term and feel proud.
Cortese's vision is all about putting a system in place that makes us sustainable and successful for the long term and the youth policy is at the heart of it. Once the conveyor belt is up and properly running then we're going to be unstoppable. It's so rare to see things done properly - it's rarer still to see us do things properly - so we should be patient, think long-term and feel proud. St Retford
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10:12am Wed 21 Nov 12

kent141 says...

Everyone getting themselves at it as usual....Taxi for clueless Adkins !
Everyone getting themselves at it as usual....Taxi for clueless Adkins ! kent141
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10:17am Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that. St Retford
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10:19am Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Ssssshhhhhhh......00
7 skuntfall
Ssssshhhhhhh......00 7 skuntfall seventh-junction
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10:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

Nemesisaint says...

Anyone that backed Nigel to be the first to go must be spitting feathers!
Anyone that backed Nigel to be the first to go must be spitting feathers! Nemesisaint
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10:24am Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Nemesisaint wrote:
Anyone that backed Nigel to be the first to go must be spitting feathers!
Heh.

Good.
[quote][p][bold]Nemesisaint[/bold] wrote: Anyone that backed Nigel to be the first to go must be spitting feathers![/p][/quote]Heh. Good. St Retford
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10:51am Wed 21 Nov 12

Puddletown Saint says...

Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts Puddletown Saint
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11:05am Wed 21 Nov 12

redandy10 says...

GX Saint wrote:
This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time.
You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves.
Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road.
COYR
I agree with you about Cortese.I don't see what problem the fans could have with Cortese. He's dipped his hand in the owners pockets, for new players. Ok, the Alan Pardew decision was dodgy, but apart from that, he's alright.

The jury on Nigel Adkins is still out. I really hope he can turn things around, but I'm skeptical. We are capable of playing some lovely football, but, as others have said, we do hold onto the ball for way to long. Also I think we should have concentrated on putting together a good defense in the summer. But Nathaniel Clyne was a great buy, there's more to come from him!

I live in Greece, poor old Nigel wouldn't have lasted five games here! A few seasons ago Olympiakos went through something like four managers in a year. One of which was the Brazilian legend, ZIco. The fans here turn on the manger & players during a match, nothing like Southampton!
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time. You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves. Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road. COYR[/p][/quote]I agree with you about Cortese.I don't see what problem the fans could have with Cortese. He's dipped his hand in the owners pockets, for new players. Ok, the Alan Pardew decision was dodgy, but apart from that, he's alright. The jury on Nigel Adkins is still out. I really hope he can turn things around, but I'm skeptical. We are capable of playing some lovely football, but, as others have said, we do hold onto the ball for way to long. Also I think we should have concentrated on putting together a good defense in the summer. But Nathaniel Clyne was a great buy, there's more to come from him! I live in Greece, poor old Nigel wouldn't have lasted five games here! A few seasons ago Olympiakos went through something like four managers in a year. One of which was the Brazilian legend, ZIco. The fans here turn on the manger & players during a match, nothing like Southampton! redandy10
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11:06am Wed 21 Nov 12

TheSaintsMan says...

The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey...

Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience.

Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?
The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey... Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience. Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone? TheSaintsMan
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11:14am Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
Smalling would be a good acquisition. Ince and or Phillips from Blackpool would be good if Appleton would let them go. I think Phillips is Scottish but that's close enough!
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]Smalling would be a good acquisition. Ince and or Phillips from Blackpool would be good if Appleton would let them go. I think Phillips is Scottish but that's close enough! seventh-junction
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11:21am Wed 21 Nov 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

I would like to say thanks to the Saints fans on here.
What a treat to be able to read the threads without having to scroll past yards of inane rubbish.
Great debate, lots of fun----(generally at Pompey's expence) .

WELL DONE EVERYONE

Keep up the ShhhhhhhhShhh, campain.
It seems to work.

LONG MAY IT LAST

007-------I love it!

COYR.
I would like to say thanks to the Saints fans on here. What a treat to be able to read the threads without having to scroll past yards of inane rubbish. Great debate, lots of fun----(generally at Pompey's expence) . WELL DONE EVERYONE Keep up the ShhhhhhhhShhh, campain. It seems to work. LONG MAY IT LAST 007-------I love it! COYR. SFCOLDBOY
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11:22am Wed 21 Nov 12

up saints says...

TheSaintsMan wrote:
The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey...

Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience.

Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?
fox is the best left back we have after shaw.ideal on the bench for the last 15 min if needed.
[quote][p][bold]TheSaintsMan[/bold] wrote: The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey... Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience. Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?[/p][/quote]fox is the best left back we have after shaw.ideal on the bench for the last 15 min if needed. up saints
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11:23am Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams. St Retford
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11:36am Wed 21 Nov 12

El Santo says...

St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?). El Santo
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11:42am Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age. St Retford
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11:57am Wed 21 Nov 12

GX Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.
You're sailing close to the wind Sally Bercow style with any reference to Tory MPs from that era.

I think all we need to supplement the youthful squad we've got is an on loan established keeper (Friedel fits the bill and AVB may have to plump for his expensive French keeper and name him #1 now) and a big ugly premier league centre back, also on loan probably. There must be options other than Dawson slightly down the pecking order who'd fancy a loan switch; I've got my doubts about Dawson.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.[/p][/quote]You're sailing close to the wind Sally Bercow style with any reference to Tory MPs from that era. I think all we need to supplement the youthful squad we've got is an on loan established keeper (Friedel fits the bill and AVB may have to plump for his expensive French keeper and name him #1 now) and a big ugly premier league centre back, also on loan probably. There must be options other than Dawson slightly down the pecking order who'd fancy a loan switch; I've got my doubts about Dawson. GX Saint
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12:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Bring back Branfoot says...

Adkins + Happy Clapping yokels = relegation (Opps, nearly forgot! sssssshhhhhh)
Adkins + Happy Clapping yokels = relegation (Opps, nearly forgot! sssssshhhhhh) Bring back Branfoot
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12:06pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

St Retford wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.
Our Academy players will learn a great deal from good seasoned professionals and new younger players who have been through the Academy process at other clubs but have also had the experience of prolonged spells in the first teams at their previous clubs. This can only be a good thing for the whole club and us supporters in general.
007 Skuntfall!.......
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.[/p][/quote]Our Academy players will learn a great deal from good seasoned professionals and new younger players who have been through the Academy process at other clubs but have also had the experience of prolonged spells in the first teams at their previous clubs. This can only be a good thing for the whole club and us supporters in general. 007 Skuntfall!....... seventh-junction
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12:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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12:09pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
Watch out, he'll be after our Nigel...
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]Watch out, he'll be after our Nigel... Velleity
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12:16pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Bring back Branfoot says...

Skates - 10pt deduction = AFC Portsmouth (sssssshhhhhh) What fun!
Skates - 10pt deduction = AFC Portsmouth (sssssshhhhhh) What fun! Bring back Branfoot
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12:19pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug. Strasbourg Saint
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12:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
I'm sure that Cortese's stated target is 50% through the academy.

In fact, in this article from the Telegraph about Staplewood, he mentions wanting 7/8 players from the academy on the pitch at one time, so 75%.

http://tinyurl.com/c
kmpeo5

Great article, great vision.
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]I'm sure that Cortese's stated target is 50% through the academy. In fact, in this article from the Telegraph about Staplewood, he mentions wanting 7/8 players from the academy on the pitch at one time, so 75%. http://tinyurl.com/c kmpeo5 Great article, great vision. Velleity
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12:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

GX Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.
You're sailing close to the wind Sally Bercow style with any reference to Tory MPs from that era.

I think all we need to supplement the youthful squad we've got is an on loan established keeper (Friedel fits the bill and AVB may have to plump for his expensive French keeper and name him #1 now) and a big ugly premier league centre back, also on loan probably. There must be options other than Dawson slightly down the pecking order who'd fancy a loan switch; I've got my doubts about Dawson.
I'm not sailing *that* close to the wind. Lest we forget there were Tory politicians of that era convicted of paedphilia in a court of law (google Peter Righton, for instance) so it's fairly uncontroversial.

The current fuss is because because David Icke identified the wrong McAlpine and like idiots half the twittersphere repeated him. But rest assured there is a LOT more to the story waiting to emerge.
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Aye, I guess that in a few years we'll have a team in place with enough youngsters coming through that when it comes to the transfer market we'll only be buying one or two players of real quality each window, rather than having to buy half a team, which is where we were in the summer. It's exciting - the players we'll actually be buying will be the genuinely exceptional ones, regardless of age.[/p][/quote]You're sailing close to the wind Sally Bercow style with any reference to Tory MPs from that era. I think all we need to supplement the youthful squad we've got is an on loan established keeper (Friedel fits the bill and AVB may have to plump for his expensive French keeper and name him #1 now) and a big ugly premier league centre back, also on loan probably. There must be options other than Dawson slightly down the pecking order who'd fancy a loan switch; I've got my doubts about Dawson.[/p][/quote]I'm not sailing *that* close to the wind. Lest we forget there were Tory politicians of that era convicted of paedphilia in a court of law (google Peter Righton, for instance) so it's fairly uncontroversial. The current fuss is because because David Icke identified the wrong McAlpine and like idiots half the twittersphere repeated him. But rest assured there is a LOT more to the story waiting to emerge. St Retford
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12:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Agree with that. The best and most succesful teams are usually a blend of youth and experience, something we have managed well in the past


STID
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Agree with that. The best and most succesful teams are usually a blend of youth and experience, something we have managed well in the past STID st1halo
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12:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

st1halo wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Agree with that. The best and most succesful teams are usually a blend of youth and experience, something we have managed well in the past


STID
But never forget that the guys with experience could be guys from the academy. In another seven years, for example, Lallana will be seasoned AND academy.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Agree with that. The best and most succesful teams are usually a blend of youth and experience, something we have managed well in the past STID[/p][/quote]But never forget that the guys with experience could be guys from the academy. In another seven years, for example, Lallana will be seasoned AND academy. Velleity
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12:41pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
Ssssshhhhhhh......00

7 skuntfall
Went on the skates site for a read last night.... fookn hilarious!
They were saying ' looks like we're going to get elegated even before the 10 point deduction'

I dont think they realise that the -10 deduction is like a little packed lunch and they take it with them into Lg2 if the FA are conistent!

HAHAHAHAHA


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Ssssshhhhhhh......00 7 skuntfall[/p][/quote]Went on the skates site for a read last night.... fookn hilarious! They were saying ' looks like we're going to get elegated even before the 10 point deduction' I dont think they realise that the -10 deduction is like a little packed lunch and they take it with them into Lg2 if the FA are conistent! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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12:52pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

I hope you told them the truth. It wouldn't be nice not to.
I hope you told them the truth. It wouldn't be nice not to. Velleity
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12:58pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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1:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

RedArmy1 says...

FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR. AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL. WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARMY. COYR. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!! RedArmy1
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1:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.
It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it.
It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez.


STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.[/p][/quote]It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it. It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez. STID st1halo
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1:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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1:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Beer Monster says...

Velleity wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
Watch out, he'll be after our Nigel...
Nah, not well known enough for the thieving barstool. My money's on Guardiola. Who won't last the season.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]Watch out, he'll be after our Nigel...[/p][/quote]Nah, not well known enough for the thieving barstool. My money's on Guardiola. Who won't last the season. Beer Monster
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1:49pm Wed 21 Nov 12

More Glory says...

st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote: Ssssshhhhhhh......00 7 skuntfall
Went on the skates site for a read last night.... fookn hilarious! They were saying ' looks like we're going to get elegated even before the 10 point deduction' I dont think they realise that the -10 deduction is like a little packed lunch and they take it with them into Lg2 if the FA are conistent! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*
Sheila,

Two visits now.

You'll be posting next
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Ssssshhhhhhh......00 7 skuntfall[/p][/quote]Went on the skates site for a read last night.... fookn hilarious! They were saying ' looks like we're going to get elegated even before the 10 point deduction' I dont think they realise that the -10 deduction is like a little packed lunch and they take it with them into Lg2 if the FA are conistent! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Sheila, Two visits now. You'll be posting next More Glory
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1:53pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses.
what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players. saintshorse101
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1:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

What a remarkable coincidence, you lot may not realise it but a heck of a lot of you live very close to each other indeed.
What a remarkable coincidence, you lot may not realise it but a heck of a lot of you live very close to each other indeed. scooter75
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1:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Mindboggling amounts of money!
This sort of financial acumen could possibly set a precedent for many other clubs and businesses alike.........Just one thought, why has nobody else unvieled such an obviously lucrative and stable source of financial accrual in the past.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Mindboggling amounts of money! This sort of financial acumen could possibly set a precedent for many other clubs and businesses alike.........Just one thought, why has nobody else unvieled such an obviously lucrative and stable source of financial accrual in the past. seventh-junction
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1:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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2:00pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Ssssshhhhh......007 Skuntfall
Ssssshhhhh......007 Skuntfall seventh-junction
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2:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin! seventh-junction
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2:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.
It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it.
It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez.


STID
He seeks short term gratification and doesn't achieve it. Five years ago he sacked Chelseas most successful manager of all time, Jose Mourinho.

We will never know what Jose would have achieved had he stayed but I bet it would be far greater than what has actually happened.

Chasing short term success can end up with failure in the short term and the long term.

That is why we have all stood behind Nigel. We've been there and done it with the revolving door policy and it failed us too.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.[/p][/quote]It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it. It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez. STID[/p][/quote]He seeks short term gratification and doesn't achieve it. Five years ago he sacked Chelseas most successful manager of all time, Jose Mourinho. We will never know what Jose would have achieved had he stayed but I bet it would be far greater than what has actually happened. Chasing short term success can end up with failure in the short term and the long term. That is why we have all stood behind Nigel. We've been there and done it with the revolving door policy and it failed us too. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:10pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.
Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance. bigfella777
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2:13pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:14pm Wed 21 Nov 12

More Glory says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Well you won't be poaching the younger Oxy; and there is a very good reason for that.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Well you won't be poaching the younger Oxy; and there is a very good reason for that. More Glory
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2:16pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

I see the "bestest ever most greatest best and bestest fans ever and ever TM" not only boo their own players right through a whole game but also now racially abuse them.
Shameful.....what a rotten, festering hole that is down there.
I see the "bestest ever most greatest best and bestest fans ever and ever TM" not only boo their own players right through a whole game but also now racially abuse them. Shameful.....what a rotten, festering hole that is down there. seventh-junction
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2:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.
It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it.
It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez.


STID
He seeks short term gratification and doesn't achieve it. Five years ago he sacked Chelseas most successful manager of all time, Jose Mourinho.

We will never know what Jose would have achieved had he stayed but I bet it would be far greater than what has actually happened.

Chasing short term success can end up with failure in the short term and the long term.

That is why we have all stood behind Nigel. We've been there and done it with the revolving door policy and it failed us too.
Very true Seed.
I don't have a problem if wealthy individuals want to pump money into the sport, that can be rewarding for a club and it's fans... But, in Abramovich's case it seems to be success at any cost, which sets precedents and can only damage his club and football in general



STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]Owning something doesn't mean you are 'up to the job'. It does mean you have the power to block anyone from making the necessary structural changes. That is why Chelsea haven't won as much as their expenditure would normally warrant.[/p][/quote]It's a ridiculous situation really. I imagine Abramovich interferes all the time (I don't know though) so maybe he should just appoint himself manager and be done with it. It's the arrogance and complacency that bothers me. Can you imagine Saints sacking NA a few months after winning the Champions League Title? Jeez. STID[/p][/quote]He seeks short term gratification and doesn't achieve it. Five years ago he sacked Chelseas most successful manager of all time, Jose Mourinho. We will never know what Jose would have achieved had he stayed but I bet it would be far greater than what has actually happened. Chasing short term success can end up with failure in the short term and the long term. That is why we have all stood behind Nigel. We've been there and done it with the revolving door policy and it failed us too.[/p][/quote]Very true Seed. I don't have a problem if wealthy individuals want to pump money into the sport, that can be rewarding for a club and it's fans... But, in Abramovich's case it seems to be success at any cost, which sets precedents and can only damage his club and football in general STID st1halo
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2:19pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
Who' be so despicable amongst us to do the racial abuse stuff though? They do that as well down there you know
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]Who' be so despicable amongst us to do the racial abuse stuff though? They do that as well down there you know seventh-junction
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2:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

It's like having a bit of dog sh1t on your shoe when they try and gain attention isn't it. Annoying and smelly but you know it'll clean off easily or just dry up and fall off
It's like having a bit of dog sh1t on your shoe when they try and gain attention isn't it. Annoying and smelly but you know it'll clean off easily or just dry up and fall off seventh-junction
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2:23pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv) How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!! STID st1halo
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2:28pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID
That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv) How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!! STID[/p][/quote]That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones. seventh-junction
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2:39pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.
When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons.

Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference.

Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases.

At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship.

When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters.

That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up. What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.[/p][/quote]When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons. Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference. Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases. At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship. When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters. That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs. Linesman
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2:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.
When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons.

Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference.

Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases.

At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship.

When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters.

That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up. What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.[/p][/quote]When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons. Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference. Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases. At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship. When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters. That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs. Linesman
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2:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.
When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons.

Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference.

Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases.

At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship.

When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters.

That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up. What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.[/p][/quote]When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons. Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference. Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases. At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship. When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters. That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs. Linesman
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2:40pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Velleity wrote:
I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up.

What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.
When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons.

Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference.

Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases.

At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship.

When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters.

That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I was wondering about this very question on Saturday; whether we were the youngest team out there. Odd for the Daily Echo to post something so positive - keep it up. What a triumph of forward vision and belief in the future.[/p][/quote]When Matt Busby had the young squad of Busby Babes playing for Manchester United, it was not an overnight process, but was built up over a number of seasons. Youngsters were gradually introduced Into A Winning Team, and that is the big difference. Bringing in youngsters into a losing team does nothing for their confidence, in fact it can undermine it in some cases. At present the aim must be for consolidation, and that means bringing in experienced players, with proven ability, to halt the slide back to th Championship. When the threat of relegation has been removed, then is the time for the gradual introduction of youngsters. That is what was done by Arsenal to both Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain and with Bale at Spurs. Linesman
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2:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Apologies.

Appear to be having problems with the site.
Apologies. Appear to be having problems with the site. Linesman
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2:45pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID
That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.
Don't wanna damage my phone though, by all accounts a structural surveyor has gone to their ground this morning.... apparently the booing was so loud and consistent it damaged the Fratton foundations, the old lady on the scooter taped up and blacked out her windows because she thought it was the Blitz!
Don't know about buying a t shirt, can't we buy some Westwood jim-jams?
We need to come up with a theme for when it's 8 losses, apparently that will be their worst run in nearly 50 years!
HAHAHAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*(loveing it!)
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv) How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!! STID[/p][/quote]That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.[/p][/quote]Don't wanna damage my phone though, by all accounts a structural surveyor has gone to their ground this morning.... apparently the booing was so loud and consistent it damaged the Fratton foundations, the old lady on the scooter taped up and blacked out her windows because she thought it was the Blitz! Don't know about buying a t shirt, can't we buy some Westwood jim-jams? We need to come up with a theme for when it's 8 losses, apparently that will be their worst run in nearly 50 years! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*(loveing it!) st1halo
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2:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID
That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.
Don't wanna damage my phone though, by all accounts a structural surveyor has gone to their ground this morning.... apparently the booing was so loud and consistent it damaged the Fratton foundations, the old lady on the scooter taped up and blacked out her windows because she thought it was the Blitz!
Don't know about buying a t shirt, can't we buy some Westwood jim-jams?
We need to come up with a theme for when it's 8 losses, apparently that will be their worst run in nearly 50 years!
HAHAHAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*(loveing it!)
Hawaii 50 Book 'em Danno!!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv) How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!! STID[/p][/quote]That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.[/p][/quote]Don't wanna damage my phone though, by all accounts a structural surveyor has gone to their ground this morning.... apparently the booing was so loud and consistent it damaged the Fratton foundations, the old lady on the scooter taped up and blacked out her windows because she thought it was the Blitz! Don't know about buying a t shirt, can't we buy some Westwood jim-jams? We need to come up with a theme for when it's 8 losses, apparently that will be their worst run in nearly 50 years! HAHAHAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*(loveing it!)[/p][/quote]Hawaii 50 Book 'em Danno!! seventh-junction
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2:52pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well? seventh-junction
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2:54pm Wed 21 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

luvin this :0)
luvin this :0) scooter75
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2:59pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID st1halo
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3:04pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch! We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham STID st1halo
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3:06pm Wed 21 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
[quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012. CB FRY LIVES
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3:06pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
That would make driving a normal car pretty difficult. We'd have to leave early and take the clowns car or all ride our wonky wheeled bikes down there.
We'd have to leave about 9am for a 3pm kick off!
007...Skuntfall!!!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]That would make driving a normal car pretty difficult. We'd have to leave early and take the clowns car or all ride our wonky wheeled bikes down there. We'd have to leave about 9am for a 3pm kick off! 007...Skuntfall!!! seventh-junction
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3:12pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

st1halo wrote:
st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID
Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch! We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham STID[/p][/quote]Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying! seventh-junction
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3:12pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
That would make driving a normal car pretty difficult. We'd have to leave early and take the clowns car or all ride our wonky wheeled bikes down there.
We'd have to leave about 9am for a 3pm kick off!
007...Skuntfall!!!
Yeah , wouldn't want to crash the Aston!

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]That would make driving a normal car pretty difficult. We'd have to leave early and take the clowns car or all ride our wonky wheeled bikes down there. We'd have to leave about 9am for a 3pm kick off! 007...Skuntfall!!![/p][/quote]Yeah , wouldn't want to crash the Aston! STID *Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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3:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

seventh-junction says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
Nice Post. Love it
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]Nice Post. Love it seventh-junction
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3:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

El Santo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Interesting quote from the skunts site:

'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.'

Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed:

'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website.

Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over'

How will we ever compete with this financial might?
Exactly!?
As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness!
Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet!
It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road.
So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins!
After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved!
If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin!
I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.
I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv)
How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!!

STID
That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.
This would be the funniest event ever in football history!
"Solidarity with the skunts" T-shirts would be appropriate.
And we are already giving them our money, as well as our waste water (which they love to drink, by the way!).
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Interesting quote from the skunts site: 'Caretaker manager Guy Whittingham rounded on his Pompey troops and insisted: The crowd were right to boo.' Anyway, we should make hay whilst the sunshines as fortunes will shortly be reversed: 'Supporters unable to afford a £1,000 share in the trust’s share scheme can buy part of a share for £25 through the website. Fans can also buy Power to the People T-shirts – with all proceeds going towards the trust should it take over' How will we ever compete with this financial might?[/p][/quote]Exactly!? As one of the skates said - Barcelona fans own their club, Pompey fans will own their club - you can certainly see the likeness! Champions league winners 2543, that's my bet! It's time for all us true Saints fans to emulate our greatest ever great hampshire ever greatest club down the road. So ... if 20000 cannot turn up on Sunday that would be a good start! For those that do... we must make sure we boo the team all through the game to show our support and leave after 70 mins! After Sunday we must all make pledges to SFC, don't worry, it's only a pledge, no money involved! If we all stick together and do this we can truly become the best bestest ever south coast best hampshire ever bestest history ever ever! STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Like it!......007 Skuntfall... Rev up the Aston Martin![/p][/quote]I think we should all go to a skunt match to show solidarity. I'm prepared to boo for 95 minutes.[/p][/quote]I actually thought last night we should take a load down there and watch a game (when they're on tv) How funny would it be, we'd probably outumber them, I know we would be giving them our money, but it would be worth the crack!!! STID[/p][/quote]That would be interesting and a laugh. We could by a T shirt each and also record the booing and racial abuse on our phones.[/p][/quote]This would be the funniest event ever in football history! "Solidarity with the skunts" T-shirts would be appropriate. And we are already giving them our money, as well as our waste water (which they love to drink, by the way!). El Santo
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3:23pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies.
I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes.

STID
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies. I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes. STID st1halo
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3:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.
Maybe QPR already have.DI MATTEO would be a better manager for them than Harry Ratknapp.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.[/p][/quote]Maybe QPR already have.DI MATTEO would be a better manager for them than Harry Ratknapp. CB FRY LIVES
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3:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID
Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying!
Stylophones! Love it!
We can play Bowie's classic on it and sing --
Here am I sitting in a sh!tHole!
Far away from home
Football shirts are blue and there's very very few!

STID
[quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch! We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham STID[/p][/quote]Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying![/p][/quote]Stylophones! Love it! We can play Bowie's classic on it and sing -- Here am I sitting in a sh!tHole! Far away from home Football shirts are blue and there's very very few! STID st1halo
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3:45pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Invidia says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
You have not told all the story on Saints Colts as they were called, Not Tadpoles, the truth of the story was that Simpson Peter vine etc. extremely young and talented were not paid Ted Bates refused to support them and as I am told it was left up to a Southampton engineering firm called CPC that paid them expenses, they dispersed to semi proffessional clubs like Basingstoke ,Aldershot, Cowes etc. incidently I am also told that Terry Paine was not in the Colts squad
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]You have not told all the story on Saints Colts as they were called, Not Tadpoles, the truth of the story was that Simpson Peter vine etc. extremely young and talented were not paid Ted Bates refused to support them and as I am told it was left up to a Southampton engineering firm called CPC that paid them expenses, they dispersed to semi proffessional clubs like Basingstoke ,Aldershot, Cowes etc. incidently I am also told that Terry Paine was not in the Colts squad Invidia
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3:46pm Wed 21 Nov 12

St Retford says...

st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
st1halo wrote:
st1halo wrote:
seventh-junction wrote:
Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?
I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though!

STID
Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch!
We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham

STID
Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying!
Stylophones! Love it!
We can play Bowie's classic on it and sing --
Here am I sitting in a sh!tHole!
Far away from home
Football shirts are blue and there's very very few!

STID
Haha - love it.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]seventh-junction[/bold] wrote: Westwood jim-jams would look great though. Would they let us in with plastic trumpets as well?[/p][/quote]I expect so but we would have to wear size 20 shoes though! STID[/p][/quote]Is it possible to get platic trumpets that play the Hawaii 50 theme tune, that would be a nice touch! We could all shout our support for Guy 'McGarrett' Twatingham STID[/p][/quote]Brilliant!....What about Stylophones? You'd be able to play the theme tune on them and they'd be very, very annoying![/p][/quote]Stylophones! Love it! We can play Bowie's classic on it and sing -- Here am I sitting in a sh!tHole! Far away from home Football shirts are blue and there's very very few! STID[/p][/quote]Haha - love it. St Retford
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3:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

Di Matteo= Italian, Cortese=Italian.
Watch this space.
Di Matteo= Italian, Cortese=Italian. Watch this space. bigfella777
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3:53pm Wed 21 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

st1halo wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies.
I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes.

STID
I agree with you.Steve Williams was a much better player for us than he ever was for the gunners.Theo should have stayed with us for at least another season.I dont think that going to London when he did enhanced his career.i always felt that wenger was a bit of a hypocrit pushing him to be included in the england world cup squad before he had even played for arsenal.Also i couldn't see the point of THE OX spending most of last season in arsenal's reserves when he could have been playing championship 1st team football for the SAINTS.If he had stayed with us for last season we would have gone up as champions and maybe he would have stayed at ST MARYS.But the end of the day it is all about money.As bob dylan said money does not talk it swears.Walcott is still arguiing about his worth at arsenal and i hear that the OX is already seeking a big improvement in his wages even though he only signed a long term deal last year.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies. I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes. STID[/p][/quote]I agree with you.Steve Williams was a much better player for us than he ever was for the gunners.Theo should have stayed with us for at least another season.I dont think that going to London when he did enhanced his career.i always felt that wenger was a bit of a hypocrit pushing him to be included in the england world cup squad before he had even played for arsenal.Also i couldn't see the point of THE OX spending most of last season in arsenal's reserves when he could have been playing championship 1st team football for the SAINTS.If he had stayed with us for last season we would have gone up as champions and maybe he would have stayed at ST MARYS.But the end of the day it is all about money.As bob dylan said money does not talk it swears.Walcott is still arguiing about his worth at arsenal and i hear that the OX is already seeking a big improvement in his wages even though he only signed a long term deal last year. CB FRY LIVES
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4:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
st1halo wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies.
I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes.

STID
I agree with you.Steve Williams was a much better player for us than he ever was for the gunners.Theo should have stayed with us for at least another season.I dont think that going to London when he did enhanced his career.i always felt that wenger was a bit of a hypocrit pushing him to be included in the england world cup squad before he had even played for arsenal.Also i couldn't see the point of THE OX spending most of last season in arsenal's reserves when he could have been playing championship 1st team football for the SAINTS.If he had stayed with us for last season we would have gone up as champions and maybe he would have stayed at ST MARYS.But the end of the day it is all about money.As bob dylan said money does not talk it swears.Walcott is still arguiing about his worth at arsenal and i hear that the OX is already seeking a big improvement in his wages even though he only signed a long term deal last year.
The shame of it is that the youngsters seem to confuse being paid a high wage with being a successful footballer. The two beng vastly different.
They just don't understand that football fans remember great talent and ability, not who earnt the most money!


STID
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]Great and informative post CB. A bit before my time as I'm from mid to late 60's onwards although I had the fortune to see Mr. Paine and the wonderful wonderful Ron Davies. I don't know if you agree but a change of team for young developing players seems to do more harm than good quite often. Steve Wiliams leaving for Arsenal seemed to bring his career to a halt and more recently Theo doesn't seem to have lived up to his full potential (although he is stil class obviously) I think stability is key for these guys sometimes. STID[/p][/quote]I agree with you.Steve Williams was a much better player for us than he ever was for the gunners.Theo should have stayed with us for at least another season.I dont think that going to London when he did enhanced his career.i always felt that wenger was a bit of a hypocrit pushing him to be included in the england world cup squad before he had even played for arsenal.Also i couldn't see the point of THE OX spending most of last season in arsenal's reserves when he could have been playing championship 1st team football for the SAINTS.If he had stayed with us for last season we would have gone up as champions and maybe he would have stayed at ST MARYS.But the end of the day it is all about money.As bob dylan said money does not talk it swears.Walcott is still arguiing about his worth at arsenal and i hear that the OX is already seeking a big improvement in his wages even though he only signed a long term deal last year.[/p][/quote]The shame of it is that the youngsters seem to confuse being paid a high wage with being a successful footballer. The two beng vastly different. They just don't understand that football fans remember great talent and ability, not who earnt the most money! STID st1halo
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4:20pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintlysoul says...

Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
Chambers is not a midfielder. He has struggled in that position and is now seen by the under 21 coaching staff as a central defender. He plays right back for England under 19s
[quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]Chambers is not a midfielder. He has struggled in that position and is now seen by the under 21 coaching staff as a central defender. He plays right back for England under 19s saintlysoul
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4:20pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Alicesdad says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Di Matteo= Italian, Cortese=Italian.
Watch this space.
Antonio Carluccio = Italian
Gennaro Contaldo = Italian

They take up a much bigger space to watch and are about as relevant.
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Di Matteo= Italian, Cortese=Italian. Watch this space.[/p][/quote]Antonio Carluccio = Italian Gennaro Contaldo = Italian They take up a much bigger space to watch and are about as relevant. Alicesdad
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4:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

nigel has this youth thing spot on imo , slowly but surely ............. loving this shush campaign , works like a dream ...... COYR !
nigel has this youth thing spot on imo , slowly but surely ............. loving this shush campaign , works like a dream ...... COYR ! slugger
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4:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Invidia wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
You have not told all the story on Saints Colts as they were called, Not Tadpoles, the truth of the story was that Simpson Peter vine etc. extremely young and talented were not paid Ted Bates refused to support them and as I am told it was left up to a Southampton engineering firm called CPC that paid them expenses, they dispersed to semi proffessional clubs like Basingstoke ,Aldershot, Cowes etc. incidently I am also told that Terry Paine was not in the Colts squad
In my neck of the woods we called them tadpoles but they were also called the colts AND ALSO I HAVE HEARD THEM CALLED ted's teenies or as ernie jones was involved in running the team they were also called JONES'S JUNIORS.Terry Paine was definitely a member of the team.the match i referred to was the 2nd leg of the semi finals.we lost the first game at the dell 5-2.the crowd that night was a very impressive 19,320.At this dell match TERRY SIMPSON missed a penalty for us.The SAINTS TEAM FOR THE 2ND LEG AT OLD TRAFFORD which we won 3-2 was as follows
GOALIE-TONY GODFREY
RB.WALKER
LB.STICKLER
RH.HARLEY
CH.COLIN HOLMES
LH.SCURR
OR.TERRY PAINE
IR.TERRY SIMPSON
CF.WES MAUGHAN
ILPETER VINE
OL.JOHN SYDENHAM.
3 members of this team gained caps for the ENGLAND YOUTH TEAM-HOLMES,SYDENHAM and VINE.The star of the team was actually PETER VINE who great things were expected of.He only ever played 1 ist team game for us as did Colin Holmes.Scurr managed a couple of first team matches.
Tony Godfrey only played at old trafford because our regular keepeer BRIAN FLOOD was injured.Flood was also a member of the england youth team squad but he never played for our 1st x1 whilst GODFREY played 149 games for the club.
i CAN REMEMBER TERRY SIMPSON and JOHN SYDENHAM playing for the same army team whilst both were doing their national service.maybe it was during his army years that Simpson reverted to wing half.He played for the posh as well as WBA.
One last bit of nostalgia about this great youth team.we beat spurs 6-0 in the quarter finals that season to set up the meeting with man u.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]You have not told all the story on Saints Colts as they were called, Not Tadpoles, the truth of the story was that Simpson Peter vine etc. extremely young and talented were not paid Ted Bates refused to support them and as I am told it was left up to a Southampton engineering firm called CPC that paid them expenses, they dispersed to semi proffessional clubs like Basingstoke ,Aldershot, Cowes etc. incidently I am also told that Terry Paine was not in the Colts squad[/p][/quote]In my neck of the woods we called them tadpoles but they were also called the colts AND ALSO I HAVE HEARD THEM CALLED ted's teenies or as ernie jones was involved in running the team they were also called JONES'S JUNIORS.Terry Paine was definitely a member of the team.the match i referred to was the 2nd leg of the semi finals.we lost the first game at the dell 5-2.the crowd that night was a very impressive 19,320.At this dell match TERRY SIMPSON missed a penalty for us.The SAINTS TEAM FOR THE 2ND LEG AT OLD TRAFFORD which we won 3-2 was as follows GOALIE-TONY GODFREY RB.WALKER LB.STICKLER RH.HARLEY CH.COLIN HOLMES LH.SCURR OR.TERRY PAINE IR.TERRY SIMPSON CF.WES MAUGHAN ILPETER VINE OL.JOHN SYDENHAM. 3 members of this team gained caps for the ENGLAND YOUTH TEAM-HOLMES,SYDENHAM and VINE.The star of the team was actually PETER VINE who great things were expected of.He only ever played 1 ist team game for us as did Colin Holmes.Scurr managed a couple of first team matches. Tony Godfrey only played at old trafford because our regular keepeer BRIAN FLOOD was injured.Flood was also a member of the england youth team squad but he never played for our 1st x1 whilst GODFREY played 149 games for the club. i CAN REMEMBER TERRY SIMPSON and JOHN SYDENHAM playing for the same army team whilst both were doing their national service.maybe it was during his army years that Simpson reverted to wing half.He played for the posh as well as WBA. One last bit of nostalgia about this great youth team.we beat spurs 6-0 in the quarter finals that season to set up the meeting with man u. CB FRY LIVES
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5:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are.

As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe.

We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.
Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are. As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe. We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable. Baddesley Bill
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5:21pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are.

As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe.

We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.
five and a half ?
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are. As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe. We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.[/p][/quote]five and a half ? slugger
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5:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
bigfella777 wrote:
Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.
Maybe QPR already have.DI MATTEO would be a better manager for them than Harry Ratknapp.
Hadn't thought about that.

Met the producer of Football First today - he lives in Southampton. He says Di Matteo is a genuine, really nice guy.

Perhaps QPR will be asking as we speak.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Saints should approach Di Matteo now while they have the chance.[/p][/quote]Maybe QPR already have.DI MATTEO would be a better manager for them than Harry Ratknapp.[/p][/quote]Hadn't thought about that. Met the producer of Football First today - he lives in Southampton. He says Di Matteo is a genuine, really nice guy. Perhaps QPR will be asking as we speak. Velleity
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5:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

george chivers says...

Tony Godfrey started with a village team called Kingsclere. Went to Basingstoke Town, Saints, Aldershot, Rochdale, Aldershot (again), Basingstoke (again), player manager at Fleet Town. Now supports Reading, I'm told. Goes to Basingstoke Town/Thornycroft Athletic reunions, as sometimes, does Cliff Huxford. Tommy Hare, Hughie Fisher and Dennis Hollywood also all played for Basingstoke Town and Steve Baker.
Tony Godfrey started with a village team called Kingsclere. Went to Basingstoke Town, Saints, Aldershot, Rochdale, Aldershot (again), Basingstoke (again), player manager at Fleet Town. Now supports Reading, I'm told. Goes to Basingstoke Town/Thornycroft Athletic reunions, as sometimes, does Cliff Huxford. Tommy Hare, Hughie Fisher and Dennis Hollywood also all played for Basingstoke Town and Steve Baker. george chivers
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5:32pm Wed 21 Nov 12

scooter75 says...

Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk scooter75
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5:33pm Wed 21 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
[quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!! angus mc coatup
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5:34pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
Red n White wrote:
We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.
The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR.
A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon.
I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago.
Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading.
Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line.
Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.
I'd agree with that: I've mentioned this one before - it came up in an argument with a friend and I kept it. This is the U17 England squad from a few years ago with current posts:

1. Steven Drench – Guiseley
2. James Biggins – ?
3. Gary Borrowdale – QPR
4. Ross Gardner - Shildon
5. David Raven – Shrewsbury Town, trialling for Tranmere
6. Chris Hogg – Inverness Caledonian
7. Wayne Routledge – Swansea
8. Lee Croft – Derby
9. Wayne Rooney – Man U
10. Stacy Long – Stevenage
11. Mark Smyth – Bangor
12. Mat Sadler – Walsall
13. Nicky Eyre - ?
14. David Mannix – Vauxhall Motors
15. Tom Groves - ?
16. Scott Brown – York City
17. Dorryl Proffitt - ?
18. Sean Doherty – Colwyn Bay

So, no guarantees of success just by being good when you're young. However, I still like the look of both Shaw and JWP.

I just love, though, that the point of all the academy focus is to look forward to a stream of talent of our own. Focussing on the future rather than the past has to lead to progress.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Red n White[/bold] wrote: We have such a good young team that if we can keep them together over the next 4-5 years we'll have a very good Premiership team I reckon. In goal, Gazza is young, in defence we have Shaw, Clyne and Yoshida, plus Stephens coming through. In midfield we have Lallana, Cork, Schneiderlin, Ramirez, Ward-Prowse, Reeves, with Chambers coming through. Then upfront we have the young Rodriguez plus the likes of Sinclair and Seager, who's in awesome form for the U18's, coming through. All looking good for the future.[/p][/quote]The future so bright i've goota wear shades.COYR. A recent graduate of the saints youth team was on parade at Poirpoisemouth last night.LLOYD JAMES when Leyton Orient spanked the fratton clueless ones.To even matters out the home side also had an ex saints youth team player-their skipper Brian Howard.When he was at saints he was an England international at several levels although despite a move from us to chelsea he never really made it as a top grade player.So a salutary caution before we get too carried away with the Luke Shaw band wagon. I go back a long way with saints and can remember TED BATES TADPOLES going to OLD TRAFFORD with our youth team at the height of the BUSBY BABES era when the man U team had won the youth cup competition several years in a row.We gave the Man u youngsters a good tonking.one of their team members was Kenny Morgans the welsh winger who a month or so along the line was a survivor of rthe dreadful Munich aircrash.Kenny sadly died a few days ago. Our side that night featured the likes of TERRY PAINE aND john sydenham who ten years later were playing top flight football for us on a regular basis and providing the ammunition for our own great welsh striker RON DAVIES.Other members of our team that night never really made it at the very top.Although goalie TONY GODFREY did play several 1st team games for us over several years before moving on to Aldershot.Wing half Terry Simpson also played a few games but he was always behind Cliff Huxford in the pecking order.Although Terry did move on to top division football with WBA.Our centre forward that evening at old trafford was Wesley Maughan from the isle of wight who also played several times for the first team but he was up against the likes of Derek Reeves for the covetted no 9 shirt and he moved on to play for reading. Moral of this little tale is that great youth team players do not always blossom a few seasons down the line. Having said that i do believe that the youngsters we have at the moment are as good as any other club in england have in 2012.[/p][/quote]I'd agree with that: I've mentioned this one before - it came up in an argument with a friend and I kept it. This is the U17 England squad from a few years ago with current posts: 1. Steven Drench – Guiseley 2. James Biggins – ? 3. Gary Borrowdale – QPR 4. Ross Gardner - Shildon 5. David Raven – Shrewsbury Town, trialling for Tranmere 6. Chris Hogg – Inverness Caledonian 7. Wayne Routledge – Swansea 8. Lee Croft – Derby 9. Wayne Rooney – Man U 10. Stacy Long – Stevenage 11. Mark Smyth – Bangor 12. Mat Sadler – Walsall 13. Nicky Eyre - ? 14. David Mannix – Vauxhall Motors 15. Tom Groves - ? 16. Scott Brown – York City 17. Dorryl Proffitt - ? 18. Sean Doherty – Colwyn Bay So, no guarantees of success just by being good when you're young. However, I still like the look of both Shaw and JWP. I just love, though, that the point of all the academy focus is to look forward to a stream of talent of our own. Focussing on the future rather than the past has to lead to progress. Velleity
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5:41pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

slugger wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are.

As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe.

We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.
five and a half ?
Bit picky tonight Bro...45.454545* % then.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Great work everybody...the sssshh campaign has proved as good at silencing skates as Orient FC are. As for our academy, it will continue to produce talent that will silence many an away fan at SMS. There's plenty more on the fringe. We have a great production line that is the basis for our future success. It'll take a few years yet, but the aim to have 50% academy players in the first eleven is acheivable.[/p][/quote]five and a half ?[/p][/quote]Bit picky tonight Bro...45.454545* % then. Baddesley Bill
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5:44pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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5:47pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Invidia says...

Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days. Invidia
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5:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

st1halo wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]I take we're still sssshhhhhing !! angus mc coatup
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5:52pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
st1halo wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!
Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs.

Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]I take we're still sssshhhhhing !![/p][/quote]Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away? Velleity
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6:01pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Velleity wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
st1halo wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!
Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs.

Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?
Hardly surprising after their embarrassing Skunfall performance last night and booing again!!!
Still ssssshhhhhing but making the most out of 007 til Saturday cos although silent they are bound to be on here reading!!! HAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]I take we're still sssshhhhhing !![/p][/quote]Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising after their embarrassing Skunfall performance last night and booing again!!! Still ssssshhhhhing but making the most out of 007 til Saturday cos although silent they are bound to be on here reading!!! HAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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6:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

GX Saint says...

Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.
A proper technical dust-up, no swearing, no slagging off. What's this site come to?
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.[/p][/quote]A proper technical dust-up, no swearing, no slagging off. What's this site come to? GX Saint
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6:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

Velleity wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
st1halo wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!
Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?
and how wonderful its been!
sssssssshhhhhhhhh theres a skate loose about this hoose!

perhaps we could start skaterelief, your donations are needed now, remember just £1000 can give 1 skate a `share` and hope, and the idea of a future! please give anything you can. for just £5 you can have a westwood freak mask and pj set! which would be the `red nose` of skaterelief. £2 a week can help 1 skate to be able to boooo his team for an entire season. in this day and age we can not allow a single fish to be unable to booo before during and at the end of the game, around the 75th min.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]I take we're still sssshhhhhing !![/p][/quote]Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?[/p][/quote]and how wonderful its been! sssssssshhhhhhhhh theres a skate loose about this hoose! perhaps we could start skaterelief, your donations are needed now, remember just £1000 can give 1 skate a `share` and hope, and the idea of a future! please give anything you can. for just £5 you can have a westwood freak mask and pj set! which would be the `red nose` of skaterelief. £2 a week can help 1 skate to be able to boooo his team for an entire season. in this day and age we can not allow a single fish to be unable to booo before during and at the end of the game, around the 75th min. saintshorse101
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6:23pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Pompey...the bestest bestest bestest loudest booers in the land (tm pending) :O)
Pompey...the bestest bestest bestest loudest booers in the land (tm pending) :O) Baddesley Bill
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6:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

No offense, but don't you all have anything better to do?
No offense, but don't you all have anything better to do? Southampton Dominance
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6:43pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
Pompey...the bestest bestest bestest loudest booers in the land (tm pending) :O)
Ha Ha ha. It's the way you tell em!
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: Pompey...the bestest bestest bestest loudest booers in the land (tm pending) :O)[/p][/quote]Ha Ha ha. It's the way you tell em! Southampton Dominance
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6:45pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

st1halo wrote:
Velleity wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
st1halo wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
scooter75 wrote:
Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk
ssssshhhhhhh !!!
*Cue the Bond theme*
I take we're still sssshhhhhing !!
Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs.

Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?
Hardly surprising after their embarrassing Skunfall performance last night and booing again!!!
Still ssssshhhhhing but making the most out of 007 til Saturday cos although silent they are bound to be on here reading!!! HAHAHA

STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Another rib tickler!
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scooter75[/bold] wrote: Pompey to be liquidated on Dec 14th it seems, honk honk[/p][/quote]ssssshhhhhhh !!![/p][/quote]*Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]I take we're still sssshhhhhing !![/p][/quote]Yes, which is why we're currently discussing Saints youth policy rather than responding to tedious WUMs. Have you noticed they are starting to drift away?[/p][/quote]Hardly surprising after their embarrassing Skunfall performance last night and booing again!!! Still ssssshhhhhing but making the most out of 007 til Saturday cos although silent they are bound to be on here reading!!! HAHAHA STID *Cue the Bond theme*[/p][/quote]Another rib tickler! Southampton Dominance
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6:51pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

GX Saint wrote:
Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.
A proper technical dust-up, no swearing, no slagging off. What's this site come to?
A cross between a Brain trust and a chimp's tea party! Sorry, but you asked! sssshhh! Never gets old!
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.[/p][/quote]A proper technical dust-up, no swearing, no slagging off. What's this site come to?[/p][/quote]A cross between a Brain trust and a chimp's tea party! Sorry, but you asked! sssshhh! Never gets old! Southampton Dominance
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6:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

ssssshhhhhh!
ssssshhhhhh! Velleity
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6:56pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

desperations what you need if you wanna be a fishy poster......yeah, roy castle at his finest.


ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
desperations what you need if you wanna be a fishy poster......yeah, roy castle at his finest. ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh! saintshorse101
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7:04pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
desperations what you need if you wanna be a fishy poster......yeah, roy castle at his finest.


ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh!
What a comeback! Let me guess, you're between jobs!
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: desperations what you need if you wanna be a fishy poster......yeah, roy castle at his finest. ssssssshhhhhhhhhhhh![/p][/quote]What a comeback! Let me guess, you're between jobs! Southampton Dominance
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7:08pm Wed 21 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

more like flatulence.
more like flatulence. angus mc coatup
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7:13pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Told ya, on here reading!, ssssssshhhhhhh here's another rib tickler!
The old lady on the scooter has been approached by the PST to become their next striker, she's qiucker and more mobile than the one they have at present! But she said 'fcuk off -- you're teams sh1t, this is your worst run in nearly 40 years and if you lose at Coventry it'll be it'll be nearly 50 years! Im carrying on playing for the Derby & Jones OAP X1 cos we're a much better side and we don't get booed! Also I hope you enjoy the packed lunch the FA will give you in Lg 2 consisting of - 10 points'
Bless her!


STID

*Cue the Bond theme*
Told ya, on here reading!, ssssssshhhhhhh here's another rib tickler! The old lady on the scooter has been approached by the PST to become their next striker, she's qiucker and more mobile than the one they have at present! But she said 'fcuk off -- you're teams sh1t, this is your worst run in nearly 40 years and if you lose at Coventry it'll be it'll be nearly 50 years! Im carrying on playing for the Derby & Jones OAP X1 cos we're a much better side and we don't get booed! Also I hope you enjoy the packed lunch the FA will give you in Lg 2 consisting of - 10 points' Bless her! STID *Cue the Bond theme* st1halo
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7:19pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

after they lose on sat, and they will, do you think we should get patsy kensit to reform `Eighth Wonder` to do a charity skaterelief concert at half time on sunday.
after they lose on sat, and they will, do you think we should get patsy kensit to reform `Eighth Wonder` to do a charity skaterelief concert at half time on sunday. saintshorse101
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7:19pm Wed 21 Nov 12

mack chinnon says...

Psst Kelvin Davies to Ipswich.
Come on Coventry.
Psst Kelvin Davies to Ipswich. Come on Coventry. mack chinnon
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7:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thickscum says...

GX Saint wrote:
This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time.
You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves.
Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road.
COYR
do you see whats going on at st fairys,debt and more debt.when it all comes out you fans will be part to blame for sticking those thick heads in the sand
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: This is down to Cortese and Adkins. Surely the Cortese knockers and Adkins out brigade will see what's going on at St Mary's and give the set up a bit more time. You don't have to like him but this is Cortese's vision and I for one want to give it the time it deserves. Roll on Sunday, seems a long way off still - can't wait after how well we played at Loftus Road. COYR[/p][/quote]do you see whats going on at st fairys,debt and more debt.when it all comes out you fans will be part to blame for sticking those thick heads in the sand thickscum
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7:25pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintmac says...

Yes we have a very talented young
team but our problems have stemmed
from their lack of experience.Steve Davis is probably the player with most experience but IMO we needtwo
older heads - a goalkeeper, who would also help Gazza, and a CB. Hopefully,we can pick up some points until the Jan window when signings can be made and survival
made more certain.
I am not saying The Club signed the
wrong players with regard to their
talent just that more experience was
required and this is why we are
finding it so difficult at the moment.
Yes we have a very talented young team but our problems have stemmed from their lack of experience.Steve Davis is probably the player with most experience but IMO we needtwo older heads - a goalkeeper, who would also help Gazza, and a CB. Hopefully,we can pick up some points until the Jan window when signings can be made and survival made more certain. I am not saying The Club signed the wrong players with regard to their talent just that more experience was required and this is why we are finding it so difficult at the moment. saintmac
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7:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

As you were!
As you were! Southampton Dominance
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7:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thickscum says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
The Leibherrs don't owe you thicko,Do you lot on here know anything about your no mark club.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]The Leibherrs don't owe you thicko,Do you lot on here know anything about your no mark club. thickscum
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7:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

thickscum says...

RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
you are the thickist boy.
[quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR. AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL. WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARMY. COYR. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!![/p][/quote]you are the thickist boy. thickscum
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7:35pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

thickscum wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked.

Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go.

However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives.

Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints.

The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions.

Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend.

At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.
The Leibherrs don't owe you thicko,Do you lot on here know anything about your no mark club.
No mark? Your name wouldn't happen to be Scouse Billy would it?
[quote][p][bold]thickscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I suppose that's one key difference between Chelsea and Saints. The problem at Chelsea (and elsewhere) is that the guy who has the money is the same one who takes the day-to-day decisions. Abramovich is 'up to the job' all the time that HE is in charge and it's HIS money to spend. At Saints, should the Leibherrs ever decide that NC isn't 'up to the job', they can boot him out or pull the plug.[/p][/quote]The Leibherrs don't owe you thicko,Do you lot on here know anything about your no mark club.[/p][/quote]No mark? Your name wouldn't happen to be Scouse Billy would it? Southampton Dominance
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7:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

dadofmy3sons says...

Velleity wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.
I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.
I know.....but.......s
ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much!
They just set themselves up for such a fall!
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.[/p][/quote]I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.[/p][/quote]I know.....but.......s ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much! They just set themselves up for such a fall! dadofmy3sons
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7:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

thickscum wrote:
RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
you are the thickist boy.
Time for you to scuttle back to that shanty town you live in. By any chance are you missing a few teeth?
[quote][p][bold]thickscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR. AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL. WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARMY. COYR. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!![/p][/quote]you are the thickist boy.[/p][/quote]Time for you to scuttle back to that shanty town you live in. By any chance are you missing a few teeth? Southampton Dominance
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7:50pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
Velleity wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.
I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.
I know.....but.......s

ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much!
They just set themselves up for such a fall!
resist !
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.[/p][/quote]I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.[/p][/quote]I know.....but.......s ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much! They just set themselves up for such a fall![/p][/quote]resist ! slugger
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7:53pm Wed 21 Nov 12

TheFatLadySings says...

St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them... TheFatLadySings
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7:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

angus mc coatup says...

InTROLLerance is a virtue.
InTROLLerance is a virtue. angus mc coatup
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7:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

slugger wrote:
dadofmy3sons wrote:
Velleity wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.
I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.
I know.....but.......s


ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much!
They just set themselves up for such a fall!
resist !
Come out smurfs! The bad man's gone!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: Don't forget to ssssssshhhhhhhh today.[/p][/quote]I agree. If they get no attention the WUMs will just drift away.[/p][/quote]I know.....but.......s ometimes the temptation is just . . . too much! They just set themselves up for such a fall![/p][/quote]resist ![/p][/quote]Come out smurfs! The bad man's gone! Southampton Dominance
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7:57pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
InTROLLerance is a virtue.
Oh! I see what you've done. Maybe you should take you're own advice, sssssshhhhhh!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: InTROLLerance is a virtue.[/p][/quote]Oh! I see what you've done. Maybe you should take you're own advice, sssssshhhhhh! Southampton Dominance
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8:03pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
I would like to say thanks to the Saints fans on here. What a treat to be able to read the threads without having to scroll past yards of inane rubbish. Great debate, lots of fun----(generally at Pompey's expence) . WELL DONE EVERYONE Keep up the ShhhhhhhhShhh, campain. It seems to work. LONG MAY IT LAST 007-------I love it! COYR.
100% agree. Shhhhh :)

On Shaw, I would just add that he looks every inch a premiership left back already when he's on the pitch at st Mary's. and JWP looks like a young scholes, not just in appearance but also in possession.

If we can keep the center backs protected with cork plus spideman/ Davis for the rest of November and early jan, we are capable of surprising a lot of teams in the new year.

Wel l done Nigel for coming through the first ten games and showing all of us that he will learn and grow with the team. No silly subs in the last two games, no one on the bench who gives anything less than his very best for saints and a solid string formation that better balances attack with defense.

I'm really pleased with the direction we are now pointing. Bring on the toon!

Speaking of which, I for one will applaud pardew. Whatever went down with the wags, is none of my business. But I know for a fact that a large part of our success today comes from a team he built before Nigel gave it shape and belief.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: I would like to say thanks to the Saints fans on here. What a treat to be able to read the threads without having to scroll past yards of inane rubbish. Great debate, lots of fun----(generally at Pompey's expence) . WELL DONE EVERYONE Keep up the ShhhhhhhhShhh, campain. It seems to work. LONG MAY IT LAST 007-------I love it! COYR.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Shhhhh :) On Shaw, I would just add that he looks every inch a premiership left back already when he's on the pitch at st Mary's. and JWP looks like a young scholes, not just in appearance but also in possession. If we can keep the center backs protected with cork plus spideman/ Davis for the rest of November and early jan, we are capable of surprising a lot of teams in the new year. Wel l done Nigel for coming through the first ten games and showing all of us that he will learn and grow with the team. No silly subs in the last two games, no one on the bench who gives anything less than his very best for saints and a solid string formation that better balances attack with defense. I'm really pleased with the direction we are now pointing. Bring on the toon! Speaking of which, I for one will applaud pardew. Whatever went down with the wags, is none of my business. But I know for a fact that a large part of our success today comes from a team he built before Nigel gave it shape and belief. City Saint
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8:04pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...? City Saint
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8:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
St Retford wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.
As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?
I agree. but in no way was di Matteo the wrong guy though. He gave abramovich the one trophy he really wanted.

Di Matteo's failure was to not be a contender to defend it.

Hopefully he'll go on to something good.

But not saints...!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Ey up, Di Matteo's been sacked. Abramovic is SUCH a knobwand. He's like the opposite of everything I love about Saints at the moment: he's fickle, short-termist and throws his toys out of the pram at the first sign of trouble. He's like a little baby that just wants success and thinks chucking money around should guarantee him that.[/p][/quote]As a businessman this is quite simple to me. You appoint someone and if he doesn't deliver you let him go. However, in these circumstances you take an element of blame yourself because you either appointed the wrong person or failed to provide him with the resources and support to complete his objectives. Abramovich has gone through nine managers in nine years. That's an appalling failure rate. The only common denominator is Abramovich himself. At what stage do you say that Abramovich is patently not up to the job?[/p][/quote]I agree. but in no way was di Matteo the wrong guy though. He gave abramovich the one trophy he really wanted. Di Matteo's failure was to not be a contender to defend it. Hopefully he'll go on to something good. But not saints...! City Saint
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8:13pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank.

Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame.

Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops. City Saint
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8:15pm Wed 21 Nov 12

GX Saint says...

Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on. GX Saint
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8:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.
Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.[/p][/quote]Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em! Southampton Dominance
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8:22pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

City Saint wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?
that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?[/p][/quote]that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad . slugger
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8:24pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

slugger wrote:
City Saint wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?
that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .
still is jack stephens come to think of it .
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?[/p][/quote]that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .[/p][/quote]still is jack stephens come to think of it . slugger
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8:27pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

slugger wrote:
City Saint wrote:
El Santo wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).
Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?
that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .
Glad to hear it, thanks for the reminder. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has in the tank later in the season, if we settle down and work our way to safety.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]Excellent point. But as a PL team we cannot expect to have all our players from the Academy. It is only normal to complement with players from elsewhere. And if so, these non-academy players should be a mix of hungry youngsters (Cork?) and seasoned players (Lambert?).[/p][/quote]Whatever happened to the defender we bought from Plymouth at 16? He should be coming up the ranks...?[/p][/quote]that was jack stephens , he's in our 1st team squad .[/p][/quote]Glad to hear it, thanks for the reminder. I'm looking forward to seeing what he has in the tank later in the season, if we settle down and work our way to safety. City Saint
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8:29pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

Southampton Dominance wrote:
thickscum wrote:
RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
you are the thickist boy.
Time for you to scuttle back to that shanty town you live in. By any chance are you missing a few teeth?
Before anyone falls for this, bear in mind that this troll is changing its behaviour. Having joined yesterday morning, it threw its weight around all day like a troll possessed. Then, tonight, noting that it wasn't getting any attention, it evolved and tried to appear not to be a WUM.

Beware. This troll is a learning machine and must still be ssssshhhhhhhh'd.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Dominance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thickscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR. AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL. WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARMY. COYR. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!![/p][/quote]you are the thickist boy.[/p][/quote]Time for you to scuttle back to that shanty town you live in. By any chance are you missing a few teeth?[/p][/quote]Before anyone falls for this, bear in mind that this troll is changing its behaviour. Having joined yesterday morning, it threw its weight around all day like a troll possessed. Then, tonight, noting that it wasn't getting any attention, it evolved and tried to appear not to be a WUM. Beware. This troll is a learning machine and must still be ssssshhhhhhhh'd. Velleity
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8:34pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Velleity says...

City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank.

Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame.

Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
The comment I'd make on that (and I'm no real supporter of Fox, just not keen when he was being seen as the sole cause of all our ills) is that in earlier games there was almost no cover at times from midfield. He looked a great deal more solid when he did come on on Saturday, though whether that was better midfield cover, his having bucked up his positioning or just that fact that QPR were playing like donkeys, I'm not sure.

Adkins can't play Shaw for a full game yet, so I guess we'll find out the answer to the Fox question in the next few games.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]The comment I'd make on that (and I'm no real supporter of Fox, just not keen when he was being seen as the sole cause of all our ills) is that in earlier games there was almost no cover at times from midfield. He looked a great deal more solid when he did come on on Saturday, though whether that was better midfield cover, his having bucked up his positioning or just that fact that QPR were playing like donkeys, I'm not sure. Adkins can't play Shaw for a full game yet, so I guess we'll find out the answer to the Fox question in the next few games. Velleity
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8:39pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

Velleity wrote:
City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
The comment I'd make on that (and I'm no real supporter of Fox, just not keen when he was being seen as the sole cause of all our ills) is that in earlier games there was almost no cover at times from midfield. He looked a great deal more solid when he did come on on Saturday, though whether that was better midfield cover, his having bucked up his positioning or just that fact that QPR were playing like donkeys, I'm not sure. Adkins can't play Shaw for a full game yet, so I guess we'll find out the answer to the Fox question in the next few games.
Fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]The comment I'd make on that (and I'm no real supporter of Fox, just not keen when he was being seen as the sole cause of all our ills) is that in earlier games there was almost no cover at times from midfield. He looked a great deal more solid when he did come on on Saturday, though whether that was better midfield cover, his having bucked up his positioning or just that fact that QPR were playing like donkeys, I'm not sure. Adkins can't play Shaw for a full game yet, so I guess we'll find out the answer to the Fox question in the next few games.[/p][/quote]Fair enough. City Saint
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8:46pm Wed 21 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

thickscum wrote:
RedArmy1 wrote:
FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON.

WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR.

AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL.

WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARMY. COYR.
THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!!
you are the thickist boy.
Shush
[quote][p][bold]thickscum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RedArmy1[/bold] wrote: FULHAM AWAY - TICKETS ON SALE SOON. WE ARE GOING TO BE THE DOMINANT FANS AT FULHAM - SAME AS QPR. AIM TO TAKE OVER THE NEUTRAL STAND AS WELL. WE GO FOR ALL 3 POINTS. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARMY. COYR. THE SAINTS GO MARCHING ON-ON-ON !!![/p][/quote]you are the thickist boy.[/p][/quote]Shush OSPREYSAINT
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8:48pm Wed 21 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Southampton Dominance wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.
Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!
Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Dominance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.[/p][/quote]Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em![/p][/quote]Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace. OSPREYSAINT
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8:54pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Southampton Dominance says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Southampton Dominance wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.
Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!
Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.
Good to see you back! Out of respect to your good self, I'll call it a night!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southampton Dominance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.[/p][/quote]Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em![/p][/quote]Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.[/p][/quote]Good to see you back! Out of respect to your good self, I'll call it a night! Southampton Dominance
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8:55pm Wed 21 Nov 12

dadofmy3sons says...

No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field . Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack. If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield. Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack. A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything. dadofmy3sons
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8:59pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede. saintshorse101
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9:07pm Wed 21 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Southampton Dominance wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Southampton Dominance wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.
Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em!
Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.
Good to see you back! Out of respect to your good self, I'll call it a night!
It's all right now they got a couple of goals.
[quote][p][bold]Southampton Dominance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Southampton Dominance[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: Very good attempt to blow the thread off course when they got let out of detention but the ssssshhhhhh campaign doesn't give them anything to bite on.[/p][/quote]Quite right! You take the moral high ground! That'll show em![/p][/quote]Please be quiet, trying to watch the Arsenal match in peace.[/p][/quote]Good to see you back! Out of respect to your good self, I'll call it a night![/p][/quote]It's all right now they got a couple of goals. OSPREYSAINT
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9:18pm Wed 21 Nov 12

City Saint says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.
Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox.

Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you!
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.[/p][/quote]Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox. Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you! City Saint
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9:38pm Wed 21 Nov 12

saintshorse101 says...

City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.
Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox. Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you!
i think that lalla has been told to cover more, and i think with either shaw or fox that would have, and had to happen. maybe lallas problem is that he`s been made captain, and thats put more pressure on him. i hope that shaw and lalla can get and keep a great understanding, because if they can it makes for a better stronger team.
what is more important is that we have been able to debate like this on this site again. long may the ssssshhhhh campaign continue.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.[/p][/quote]Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox. Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you![/p][/quote]i think that lalla has been told to cover more, and i think with either shaw or fox that would have, and had to happen. maybe lallas problem is that he`s been made captain, and thats put more pressure on him. i hope that shaw and lalla can get and keep a great understanding, because if they can it makes for a better stronger team. what is more important is that we have been able to debate like this on this site again. long may the ssssshhhhh campaign continue. saintshorse101
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9:45pm Wed 21 Nov 12

slugger says...

City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
City Saint wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.
Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.
i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.
Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox.

Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you!
adam and danny are good mates and when they play together i feel they just pass to each other too often .......... am i alone in noticing this or is it my imagination ?
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: pleased that shaw is doing so well, though i do feel that fox was made a scapegoat for all of the losses. what i am even more pleased about is the fact that our academy is producing player after player who have the ability to play well in the prem. this can only be a good thing for us, bringing through youngsters is the way forward. the academy will be funded by the players, who are not up to our standard, being sold on to other teams. the academy is the answer to our long term future success and i can not wait. i bet other clubs fans now wished that they had put some money into their academy instead of just buying overpriced overpaid players.[/p][/quote]Did you see fox play? Every home game he started, he was hesitant going forward and yet bizarrely also kept getting caught out of position when we got attacked down our left flank. Even motd highlighted it with the dreaded yellow chevrons of shame. Like everyone else, fox had to step up or step away. It's still in the balance, and he can regain credibility by supporting shaw in the last 20 mins or so while he develops.[/p][/quote]i am not and never have said that fox is a great or even very good player. i do think he can do a job though. what you have to understand with those motd chevrons is that fox was encouraged to get forward as is clyne. the difference being that fox had little cover from either center mid or from lalla. so yes he was hesitant to go forward due to having no support. when he did get forward there was big gaps behind that should have been filled by other players. i think it was clear to see that NA put the second WBA goal as fox`s fault for not chasing back, and thats a fair point, however NA then took fox out of the starting line up just as cork came back. also to be fair fox has done ok when he`s come on as sub. the team balance was really bad prior to cork coming back, and we all have seen how much we have missed him. we wont know if fox would have been better with cork playing. my point was that people were blaming fox for nearly every goal we conceded and for all our bad play, and so being made a scapegoat. the whole team were poor not just fox and yes i have seen him play. do you not think that some players are immune from criticism, lalla never gets moaned at for not covering for fox but have you noticed that in the last two games he has been covering shaw more? and for qprs goal lalla got let the qpr player clean through for a free header yet gaza gets all the blame. what we as supporters need to do is to stop laying fault at single players when we concede.[/p][/quote]Well, I'll be the first to admit that Lallana looks a bit lightweight tackling back. But I don't think he offers Shaw any more protection than he gave Fox. Shaw and Lala seem to have the same kind of understanding that Clyne and Punch have established on the right side in the last few games. I don't now who is to blame for lala and fox not getting along, but I do know 100% which one I would back for a starting position if I had to pick between them right now. As, I imagine, do you![/p][/quote]adam and danny are good mates and when they play together i feel they just pass to each other too often .......... am i alone in noticing this or is it my imagination ? slugger
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10:44pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.
I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise)
Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point.
It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential.


STID
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field . Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack. If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield. Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack. A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.[/p][/quote]I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise) Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point. It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential. STID st1halo
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11:02pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

The ssssshhhh campaign holds fast here....

...whilst the booooo campaign is gaining momentum with the skunts.

Beautiful :O)
The ssssshhhh campaign holds fast here.... ...whilst the booooo campaign is gaining momentum with the skunts. Beautiful :O) Baddesley Bill
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11:17pm Wed 21 Nov 12

bigfella777 says...

We want Di Mateo, we want Di Mateo,la la la la , la la la la.
Pikins is a muppet, Pipkins is a muppet, la la la la, la la la la.
We want Di Mateo, we want Di Mateo,la la la la , la la la la. Pikins is a muppet, Pipkins is a muppet, la la la la, la la la la. bigfella777
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11:26pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

bigfella777 wrote:
We want Di Mateo, we want Di Mateo,la la la la , la la la la.
Pikins is a muppet, Pipkins is a muppet, la la la la, la la la la.
Ssssshhhhhhhh!
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: We want Di Mateo, we want Di Mateo,la la la la , la la la la. Pikins is a muppet, Pipkins is a muppet, la la la la, la la la la.[/p][/quote]Ssssshhhhhhhh! Rob The Saint NOT in NZ
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11:30pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Rising_Son says...

st1halo wrote:
dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.
I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise)
Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point.
It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential.


STID
I basically agree, but I'm not sure who I would take off to make that possible without weakening the team in other areas.
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field . Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack. If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield. Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack. A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.[/p][/quote]I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise) Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point. It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential. STID[/p][/quote]I basically agree, but I'm not sure who I would take off to make that possible without weakening the team in other areas. Rising_Son
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11:34pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Brighton Bigfella..

ssssshhhhhhhh

You might wake your boyfriend up.
Brighton Bigfella.. ssssshhhhhhhh You might wake your boyfriend up. Baddesley Bill
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11:42pm Wed 21 Nov 12

st1halo says...

Rising_Son wrote:
st1halo wrote:
dadofmy3sons wrote:
No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field .
Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack.
If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield.
Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack.
A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.
I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise)
Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point.
It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential.


STID
I basically agree, but I'm not sure who I would take off to make that possible without weakening the team in other areas.
I know, 'tis a tough one , think I would keep Spider to start, take Gaston out and use him for impact depending on how each game develops, does give you an option of still having flair and solidity with revolving midfield in Davis/Gaston/Chapper
s


STID
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: No reason that Fox can not be brought on in front of Shaw to form a proper left sided field . Allow Lallana to move infield more and have a very definite attacking option as running crosses can be a devastating counter attack. If it results in a goal we then have the neccesary extra defender, Clyne, Fonte Shaw + Yoshida are all good enough to defend with Fox and Cork sitting in front defensive midfield. Only need one of Lambert or Jayrod or even Mayuka up front for the counter attack. A good option at the end of a tight away game. There will be some eventually, not every team is going to accomadate open attacking stuff and one of them will just stifle everything.[/p][/quote]I agree, been saying it for weeks, even sent a text to Radio Solent about it the other week, I think Fox is a natural left midfielder, not a natural attacking LB as he doesn't have the pace. He's good at getting forward and can cross well and if in front of Shaw, offers extra protection down the left due to his LB experience. More balance to the team and stronger defensively on the vulnerable side as most teams are generally stronger down the right (attacking-wise) Pulling AL into the middle means he wll still run those left channels he loves but gives him more freedom to feed from Cork and take away some of his defensive duties which are his weaker point. It makes us a bit more defensive as a unit but in this league that's essential. STID[/p][/quote]I basically agree, but I'm not sure who I would take off to make that possible without weakening the team in other areas.[/p][/quote]I know, 'tis a tough one , think I would keep Spider to start, take Gaston out and use him for impact depending on how each game develops, does give you an option of still having flair and solidity with revolving midfield in Davis/Gaston/Chapper s STID st1halo
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12:48am Thu 22 Nov 12

saintkenny says...

TheFatLadySings wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday.

Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future.

Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...
that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy
[quote][p][bold]TheFatLadySings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...[/p][/quote]that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy saintkenny
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2:04am Thu 22 Nov 12

saintsupnorth says...

Some news about Sharp... I live outside Nottingham and the local Paper has suggested Saints have accepted a Transfer offer for him in the region of £4 million. Think if it is true that decision will come back to haunt us one day.
Some news about Sharp... I live outside Nottingham and the local Paper has suggested Saints have accepted a Transfer offer for him in the region of £4 million. Think if it is true that decision will come back to haunt us one day. saintsupnorth
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5:50am Thu 22 Nov 12

GX Saint says...

saintkenny wrote:
TheFatLadySings wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...
that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy
Too difficult to read
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheFatLadySings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...[/p][/quote]that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy[/p][/quote]Too difficult to read GX Saint
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11:30am Thu 22 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

GX Saint wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
TheFatLadySings wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts
I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.
The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...
that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy
Too difficult to read
Why put a space before the punctuation mark, and no space before the first letter? Don't think you were paying attention at school!
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheFatLadySings[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: Love the positive vibes on here and glad the Echo have picked up on my youth thread from yesterday. Which young English players would you buy in the summer to compliment our fantastic youth - Reckon Fergie would let Smalling go or Shawcross jump ship to look to the future. Your thoughts[/p][/quote]I don't mean to sound like a Tory MP from the 70s and 80s, but those boys are too old for us. Our youth system is all about attracting promising 10-14-year-olds and bringing them through the system that way. Buying promising 17-year-olds is what Wenger does and isn't really developing youth - it's just nicking decent players from other teams.[/p][/quote]The problem Saints and all relatively small to medium clubs have is that as soon as these players become good, by the time they are established at 17-20 yrs old bigger clubs just poach them...[/p][/quote]that is because we dont cheat status example chamberlain is 60.000 a week .so your in a no win .if you want keep them ,you cant mtach the wages of the big clubs ,its up to the young player .lie walcott in bale .walcott ias on 60.000 asking for more money .wher as at saints he like bale was on around 8 grand a week ,chamberlain was on around 10 grand a week .the idea of given young players contract .if the big clubs do want them if they wont stay .it makes sure you recieve a good fee ,and there not free agents,as the big clubs will throw big cash .walcott 18 million bale 12 million chamberlain 12 million .cash that comes in helps the club evolve ,from the acadamy[/p][/quote]Too difficult to read[/p][/quote]Why put a space before the punctuation mark, and no space before the first letter? Don't think you were paying attention at school! OSPREYSAINT
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2:15pm Thu 22 Nov 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

Invidia wrote:
Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.
Well i can remember seeing JOHN SYDENHAM IN action for an army x1 in the hampshire cup back in the early 1960's.He started his national service in july 1960-so this match took place between 1960-1962.The team he played for included Terry Simpson of saints plus Peter Kane who played at the top level for arsenal and Reg Stratton who played in the sAME FULHAM TEAM as England internationals Johnny Haynes,Alan Mullery,George Cohen,Eddie Lowe and Jim Langley.
This ARMY side was obviously based somewhere in Hampshire to qualify to play in the Hants Cup.All their football league experience didn't do them any good because they were humbled by EAST COWES VICS the team SAINTS legend Nick Holmes played for in the 1980s when he left the dell.I always thought that this military team were based in Aldershot but who knows.Maybe someone who knows John S can get him to let us know.I think he may be living in Australia these days.no doubt you will correct me if i am wrong.
I would disagree strongly with you when you say that John Sydenham wasn't the same player when he came back from his national service.I think that his best years were in the mid 60's when we gained promotion to the top flight.Both him and Terry Paine were vital to the team,especially when the welshman Ron Davies ruled the roost.It was the crosses from both wingers that provided many a goal for the welsh dragon number 9.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: Once again CB FRY your memory is lacking as John Sydenam was an RAF national serviceman. Terry Paine was exempt from national sevice would you believe he apparently had flat feet, John Sydenham was playing for the first team when he was called up and was not the same player after his national service. I am also reliably informed that it was George Roughtly (not sure of the spelling there) who formed the Colts he was the Saints manager before Ted Bates and yes Ernie Jones was the spongeman in those days.[/p][/quote]Well i can remember seeing JOHN SYDENHAM IN action for an army x1 in the hampshire cup back in the early 1960's.He started his national service in july 1960-so this match took place between 1960-1962.The team he played for included Terry Simpson of saints plus Peter Kane who played at the top level for arsenal and Reg Stratton who played in the sAME FULHAM TEAM as England internationals Johnny Haynes,Alan Mullery,George Cohen,Eddie Lowe and Jim Langley. This ARMY side was obviously based somewhere in Hampshire to qualify to play in the Hants Cup.All their football league experience didn't do them any good because they were humbled by EAST COWES VICS the team SAINTS legend Nick Holmes played for in the 1980s when he left the dell.I always thought that this military team were based in Aldershot but who knows.Maybe someone who knows John S can get him to let us know.I think he may be living in Australia these days.no doubt you will correct me if i am wrong. I would disagree strongly with you when you say that John Sydenham wasn't the same player when he came back from his national service.I think that his best years were in the mid 60's when we gained promotion to the top flight.Both him and Terry Paine were vital to the team,especially when the welshman Ron Davies ruled the roost.It was the crosses from both wingers that provided many a goal for the welsh dragon number 9. CB FRY LIVES
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4:24pm Thu 22 Nov 12

TheSaintsMan says...

up saints wrote:
TheSaintsMan wrote:
The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey...

Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience.

Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?
fox is the best left back we have after shaw.ideal on the bench for the last 15 min if needed.
Why would we need a defender in the last fifteen minutes?

The answer is "if we want to try and stop being hammered" but if that happens the thing to do is send Cork/Davis/Schneider
lin back to cover the defence.

This means we keep attacking options on the pitch that can attack and try and get a goal, or at least keeps it away from the defence, which prevents us being attacked. When being thrashed if we take off a defender for an attacker that will make us sit back, and invite other teams onto us, and they way the defence is playing that is the last thing we want.

Attack is the best form of defence.
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TheSaintsMan[/bold] wrote: The Echo have posted something positive?! Blimey... Shaw is a great player but inexperienced, this Premier League game time is fantastic for him because it will mould him into a better player quite quickly due to his experience. Either that or put Danny Fox back in. Anyone?[/p][/quote]fox is the best left back we have after shaw.ideal on the bench for the last 15 min if needed.[/p][/quote]Why would we need a defender in the last fifteen minutes? The answer is "if we want to try and stop being hammered" but if that happens the thing to do is send Cork/Davis/Schneider lin back to cover the defence. This means we keep attacking options on the pitch that can attack and try and get a goal, or at least keeps it away from the defence, which prevents us being attacked. When being thrashed if we take off a defender for an attacker that will make us sit back, and invite other teams onto us, and they way the defence is playing that is the last thing we want. Attack is the best form of defence. TheSaintsMan
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