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Why all Saints fans owe Pardew a big debt
4:40pm Friday 23rd November 2012 in Saints News
By Adam Leitch, Chief Sports Writer
ALAN PARDEW
Saints fans wondering how they should greet Alan Pardew should keep in mind they might not be facing Alan Pardew this Sunday without Alan Pardew.
It’s always hard to predict the welcome that returning managers and players will get.
But if anybody deserves to very warmly welcomed, then it’s Pardew.
Quite simply Saints might not be back in the Premier League were it not for him.
His time in charge might have been relatively short, but the signings he made and the changes he instigated laid the pathway for Nigel Adkins to forge ahead.
When Pardew was appointed Saints manager in July 2009 he inherited a rag bag squad, full of self-doubt and angst having just been relegated from the Championship and having had the experience of going through an uncertain administration.
His job was a tough one.
Speaking to Pardew in those early days was enlightening.
Whilst many spoke of potential signings, formations and line-ups, Pardew focussed much more on something hugely important – restoring a winning mentality to the club.
He saw a group of players, a club even, that was browbeaten, battered and bruised by a tough and cruel period in its history.
That mindset can be very hard to break, even with new signings.
So for Pardew, a winner as a player and manager, it was about turning that around.
His approach was always considered.
The squad had mixed feelings about whether they particularly liked him or not m– but, boy, did they respect him.
And as a football manager, that is all you need.
The early weeks of his time in charge were testing.
Due to the timing of the Markus Liebherr takeover he had little pre-season to speak of, little room to change too much or bring in many new faces.
So Saints flew head first into the 2009/10 League 1 season with Pardew battling to turn it around as he went.
Anybody who was unfortunate enough to see the early-season draw at Stockport will know how painful a process it was.
It was made even harder by the ten point dedication which meant Saints remained rooted towards the bottom for a long time while they found the right formula.
But, slowly but surely, he did turn it around.
That winning mentality was starting to spread through the club, through the manager, always tough and straight with the players, feeding it down through the dressing room.
As the season wore on, Saints hit their stride.
In such a short space of time Pardew had transformed Saints from a club who could barely remember how to win to a club who never thought they would ever lose.
The season culminated gloriously, Saints finishing just outside the play-offs despite that hefty points loss and inevitably slow start, and winning the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy at Wembley, a wonderful day out and the epitome of the new upbeat attitude to life at St Mary’s.
Of course, a large part of that success, and his tremendous Saints legacy, were the players who Padrew signed.
Rickie Lambert, Dan Harding, Dean Hammond, Jose Fonte, Radhi Jaidi, Lee Barnard, Jason Puncheon, Danny Butterfield, Frazer Richardson, David Connolly.
These were the backbone of a team that Adkins would inherit, and largely leave unchanged for two seasons, who fired Saints to back-to-back promotions.
Pardew had built a team that any manager worth his salt should have got out of League One.
Adkins went one better with largely the same squad and got them into the top flight.
Only now is the team Adkins is fielding starting to look entirely his own rather than Pardew’s.
Saints fans should reflect just how much of their incredible journey they owe to Pardew.
He deserves the very warmest of welcomes.
Comments(59)
scooter75
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4:49pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Little Hitler
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4:57pm Fri 23 Nov 12
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likewatchingbrazil
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5:00pm Fri 23 Nov 12
coyr
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does anyone know if that crock of sh@t poopey are still going, it's just their quite near but you never here of them anymore.
kent141
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5:00pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Little Hitler
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5:03pm Fri 23 Nov 12
likewatchingbrazil wrote:My understanding is that they closed a few months ago.
3 points for us Sunday and then another 3 on Wednesday "come on lets be avin you"
coyr
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does anyone know if that crock of sh@t poopey are still going, it's just their quite near but you never here of them anymore.
OSPREYSAINT
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5:09pm Fri 23 Nov 12
scooter75
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5:14pm Fri 23 Nov 12
kent141 wrote:Legend is it was 85,000 stains at wembley, apparantly a record and in the history books
Ahhh The Paint Pot....70,000 Stains at wembley and 300,000 celebrating on southampton common for 2 days non-stop. Glorious indeed.
Little Hitler
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5:18pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Correct.
I will always praise AP for the good that he did and thank him for it, Wembley was an amazing experience. However it is different now, he is on the opposing side and it's NA I support now. Time to move on.
Wembley was about far more than winning the windscreen wiper cup.
That really was the day we turned the corner.
likewatchingbrazil
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5:26pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Little Hitler wrote:thats good then, i was getting worried as their pack the park was going so well, think it reached 6000 at one point. i expect them all to be following us now then, have to look out for that the first signs will be them coming on here i guess.
likewatchingbrazil wrote: 3 points for us Sunday and then another 3 on Wednesday "come on lets be avin you" coyr ps does anyone know if that crock of sh@t poopey are still going, it's just their quite near but you never here of them anymore.My understanding is that they closed a few months ago.
coyr
slugger
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5:30pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT
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5:32pm Fri 23 Nov 12
slugger wrote:It is called respect, something our fishy friends seem to be totally devoid of.
i'll clap him when he arrives but once that whistle goes he's the opposition !
OSPREYSAINT
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5:35pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Just another reader wrote:For all of the hype about what went on, there is no evidence of this apparent libel, we don't know the real reasons, one day it may come out in someones memoirs, until then you can only speculate, but also be careful how you word your responses.
He'd still be our manager if he didn't try to screw players wives. He's not our manager now so we will give him the exact level of respect he deserves by cheering on our current manager. Adkins' the one that took us from the relegation places in league one, to back-to-back promotions.
mack chinnon
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5:36pm Fri 23 Nov 12
"Here we go " I thought.
slugger
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5:36pm Fri 23 Nov 12
slugger
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5:38pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Little Hitler
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5:40pm Fri 23 Nov 12
SaintMax
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5:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12
St.Yorkie
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5:52pm Fri 23 Nov 12
I always thought Triumph was a sort of bra...twin supporters?
Well that's 2-more than at aint 'arf krap!
promised land
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6:22pm Fri 23 Nov 12
St.Yorkie wrote:Ah yes pFC winning the cup against that non footballing nation welsh club....I have watched every fa cup final since 1970 except that year. Where I am proud of the fact on that day I watched the Shopping channel...looking forward to 14th Dec. and pFC put to sleep....sssssshhhhh
The glory days...how many did Pompey take to Wembley in their glorious FA Cup Triumph?
I always thought Triumph was a sort of bra...twin supporters?
Well that's 2-more than at aint 'arf krap!
h
saintshorse101
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6:30pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Saints and ML, NC had reasons to sack pards and if those reasons are good enough for them then they are good enough or me! pards did a good job but NA has done better.
whats happend to that big saints fan who posts under the name of kent141, he has gone missing since the sssssshhhhhhh campaign, he used to come on here and argue with other fans about how much of a fan he was. has anyone else seen or heard from him? i know he wanted to meet BAD BILL before or after a game, and was asking about the balti pies he had at wba.
like the rest of their sad little lives they just cant keep it up can they!!!!
ssssssssssssshhhhhhh
hhh
just kidding
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6:45pm Fri 23 Nov 12
scooter75
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6:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12
saintshorse101 wrote:I think kent maybe a wum and dident have a balti pie ....
its about time the echo printed a positive story about a manager, its just a shame its not OURS. yes pards did well here, and yes he did sign all those players, however to say any manager worth their salt should have got that squad out of L1 is just another dig at NA.
Saints and ML, NC had reasons to sack pards and if those reasons are good enough for them then they are good enough or me! pards did a good job but NA has done better.
whats happend to that big saints fan who posts under the name of kent141, he has gone missing since the sssssshhhhhhh campaign, he used to come on here and argue with other fans about how much of a fan he was. has anyone else seen or heard from him? i know he wanted to meet BAD BILL before or after a game, and was asking about the balti pies he had at wba.
like the rest of their sad little lives they just cant keep it up can they!!!!
ssssssssssssshhhhhhh
hhh
OSPREYSAINT
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6:56pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT
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7:07pm Fri 23 Nov 12
magnette
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7:23pm Fri 23 Nov 12
seventh-junction
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7:26pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Bring back Branfoot
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7:32pm Fri 23 Nov 12
saintshorse101 wrote:He's on the other threads, you fool!
its about time the echo printed a positive story about a manager, its just a shame its not OURS. yes pards did well here, and yes he did sign all those players, however to say any manager worth their salt should have got that squad out of L1 is just another dig at NA.
Saints and ML, NC had reasons to sack pards and if those reasons are good enough for them then they are good enough or me! pards did a good job but NA has done better.
whats happend to that big saints fan who posts under the name of kent141, he has gone missing since the sssssshhhhhhh campaign, he used to come on here and argue with other fans about how much of a fan he was. has anyone else seen or heard from him? i know he wanted to meet BAD BILL before or after a game, and was asking about the balti pies he had at wba.
like the rest of their sad little lives they just cant keep it up can they!!!!
ssssssssssssshhhhhhh
hhh
OSPREYSAINT
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7:33pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT
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7:36pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Force14
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7:58pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:tt.........3-16
Proszę być spokojnym
OSPREYSAINT
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ottostrasser
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OSPREYSAINT
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e-innovep.fr/langue/
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I don't understand the reference but each to there own I suppose.
OSPREYSAINT
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8:14pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:drat, I meant "their" own. Breaking the rules again, I am having to sign off, I just can't resist a challenge. Nice game on Sky 1.
http://www.logistiqu
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I don't understand the reference but each to there own I suppose.
bluewhiteandred
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8:28pm Fri 23 Nov 12
promised land wrote:St.Yorkie wrote: The glory days...how many did Pompey take to Wembley in their glorious FA Cup Triumph?
St.Yorkie wrote:Ah yes pFC winning the cup against that non footballing nation welsh club....I have watched every fa cup final since 1970 except that year. Where I am proud of the fact on that day I watched the Shopping channel...looking forward to 14th Dec. and pFC put to sleep....sssssshhhhh
The glory days...how many did Pompey take to Wembley in their glorious FA Cup Triumph?
I always thought Triumph was a sort of bra...twin supporters?
Well that's 2-more than at aint 'arf krap!
h
you are only asking as you have not experienced success and probably never been to wembey and won a major trophy.
You lot of deck chairs can mock as much as you like one season in the premier and not long until relegation
How ironic you get Hughes sacked at QPR and REDKNAPP comes in and saves QPR and saints get relegated
JUSTICE again sssssshhhhhh
Baddesley Bill
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9:39pm Fri 23 Nov 12
....there may be an everlasting ssssshhhhhh from the the East.
Ssssssshhhhhame. :0)
bluewhiteandred
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10:01pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Baddesley Bill wrote:Nothing points to this being a failure unless the judge follows Saints ! . seriously pompey fans have found out the crooked wheelings and dealings of balram chanrai like money go to him and not the creditors see( right now hall) site interesting reading i know we banter this is amazing stuff ! and this will be presented to the court no problems .
The court case on the 14th December will be defining.....
....there may be an everlasting ssssshhhhhh from the the East.
Ssssssshhhhhame. :0)
bluewhiteandred
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10:04pm Fri 23 Nov 12
OSPREYSAINT
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10:07pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Norwegian Saint
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11:16pm Fri 23 Nov 12
"Southampton have won more competitive matches between the two teams, and have been more regularly in a higher league than Portsmouth, including their 27 consecutive years in the top flight of English football."
Enough said!
Source : Wikipedia
Invidia
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12:01am Sat 24 Nov 12
ottostrasser wrote:It is patently obvious that Adam Leitch got more news from AP than he does from NA his article speaks volume's
We owe Pardew nothing he was disrespectful to the players (Im being very generous here) .Had limited tactical skills and I am sure we wouldnt be in the Premier if he was still here.Again The Echo trying to undermine the current set up.
May I add my tuppence worth. The story that I was told, Aledgedly Alan Pardew was being tapped up by other clubs when NC confronted AP he confirmed that he was totally commited to the Saints dream, and within a month or so AP had talks with I believe it was Celtic whereapon NC dismissed AP. There is some substance to this story as it was reported by the BBC sport programme at the time. But I guess we will never know for sure will we?” I posted this on the other thread but it is also valid on here
batesieboy
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5:23am Sat 24 Nov 12
slugger wrote:Well said. I also think it would be a great psychological blow if saints fans were to give a really warm and loud welcome to Pards. Suck the Geordies in before blowing them away.
i'll clap him when he arrives but once that whistle goes he's the opposition !
kent141
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7:57am Sat 24 Nov 12
scooter75
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8:16am Sat 24 Nov 12
kent141 wrote:He was certainly game for a laugh, he was a classic farmer type hillbilly, he will be sitting outside his barn now chomping on straw with his " i love nigel " tee shirt over his dungarees .
Where have the comedy posts gone, there was a hilarious name that resembled mine that was a great sense of mirth....jeeez that bloke was a bucket of laughs calling himself names.
BracknellSaint
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10:05am Sat 24 Nov 12
Norwegian Saint wrote:That.
To all Poopey fans
"Southampton have won more competitive matches between the two teams, and have been more regularly in a higher league than Portsmouth, including their 27 consecutive years in the top flight of English football."
Enough said!
Source : Wikipedia
Can you just cut and paste that everytime for the poor little skunts?
Gets tiresome having to get through to their tiny,slightly feeble minds who is the bigger club is..
Cheers Norwegian!!
Mr. Cleanstreets
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10:11am Sat 24 Nov 12
To win against a far better side like Newcastle, you need to be ruthless and calculating, forget about what Par poo did in the past, it matters not.
I suggest having Fonte's wife prancing around the touch line in her knickers... that would distract Par doo the drunk.
Now that feels better...let the complaints begin.
OSPREYSAINT
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10:32am Sat 24 Nov 12
Invidia wrote:It was reported at the time that AP had been talking to Aston Villa without NC's permission, like so many rumours, no proof has ever come up.
ottostrasser wrote:It is patently obvious that Adam Leitch got more news from AP than he does from NA his article speaks volume's
We owe Pardew nothing he was disrespectful to the players (Im being very generous here) .Had limited tactical skills and I am sure we wouldnt be in the Premier if he was still here.Again The Echo trying to undermine the current set up.
May I add my tuppence worth. The story that I was told, Aledgedly Alan Pardew was being tapped up by other clubs when NC confronted AP he confirmed that he was totally commited to the Saints dream, and within a month or so AP had talks with I believe it was Celtic whereapon NC dismissed AP. There is some substance to this story as it was reported by the BBC sport programme at the time. But I guess we will never know for sure will we?” I posted this on the other thread but it is also valid on here
Saint.
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12:05pm Sat 24 Nov 12
But let's get real about AP here. We do not owe him anything at all!! NC at the time shocked everyone and brought him in from the cold after he been playing around at his previous employers. The only thing he gave Saints was a golorious day out at Wembley winning the Johnstone paint trophy. But it stops there. As it was AP who messed it up playing around with players misses again. And if the rumours are true I hope Fonte is so up for it, that he lets absolutey nothing past him on Sunday,and even scores a couple!!
Yes he made some good signings with the help of NC! But DE it stops there. It is totally out of order to suggest NA success of back to back promotions is down to AP signings! NA kept the better ones, and got rid of not so better ones. The ones he kept he made better players DE!! AP has also brought better players in since too....Clyne and Gaston for example. He also turned players mentality around that AP could not like Punc! DE you talk about players respecting him, well I personallly find this hard to believe. The players got rid of AP, and the players play for NA! So do not for one mintue suggest this cub owe AP anything. He was paid good money, and had good money at his disposal in the lower leagues, and he only archived the bear minium. NA has taken a team he/AP left, due to his own stupidity and NA has taken Southampton FC back to the prem! Not AP!! In the prem now ue to NA hard work only!!
Why oh why DE are you looking to bring NA down at every concievable chance you can?
Saint.
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12:05pm Sat 24 Nov 12
But let's get real about AP here. We do not owe him anything at all!! NC at the time shocked everyone and brought him in from the cold after he been playing around at his previous employers. The only thing he gave Saints was a golorious day out at Wembley winning the Johnstone paint trophy. But it stops there. As it was AP who messed it up playing around with players misses again. And if the rumours are true I hope Fonte is so up for it, that he lets absolutey nothing past him on Sunday,and even scores a couple!!
Yes he made some good signings with the help of NC! But DE it stops there. It is totally out of order to suggest NA success of back to back promotions is down to AP signings! NA kept the better ones, and got rid of not so better ones. The ones he kept he made better players DE!! AP has also brought better players in since too....Clyne and Gaston for example. He also turned players mentality around that AP could not like Punc! DE you talk about players respecting him, well I personallly find this hard to believe. The players got rid of AP, and the players play for NA! So do not for one mintue suggest this cub owe AP anything. He was paid good money, and had good money at his disposal in the lower leagues, and he only archived the bear minium. NA has taken a team he/AP left, due to his own stupidity and NA has taken Southampton FC back to the prem! Not AP!! In the prem now ue to NA hard work only!!
Why oh why DE are you looking to bring NA down at every concievable chance you can?
Norwegian Saint
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1:30pm Sat 24 Nov 12
BracknellSaint wrote:To all Poopey fans
Norwegian Saint wrote:That.
To all Poopey fans
"Southampton have won more competitive matches between the two teams, and have been more regularly in a higher league than Portsmouth, including their 27 consecutive years in the top flight of English football."
Enough said!
Source : Wikipedia
Can you just cut and paste that everytime for the poor little skunts?
Gets tiresome having to get through to their tiny,slightly feeble minds who is the bigger club is..
Cheers Norwegian!!
"Southampton have won more competitive matches between the two teams, and have been more regularly in a higher league than Portsmouth, including their 27 consecutive years in the top flight of English football."
Enough said!
Source : Wikipedia
st1halo
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3:09pm Sat 24 Nov 12
Saint. wrote:Good post Nigel! We're right behind you tomorrow mate, Good luck
While I am in the main not in for booing, I do not need the DE to tell me this,or indeed I would say that many Saints fans do not need to be told!
But let's get real about AP here. We do not owe him anything at all!! NC at the time shocked everyone and brought him in from the cold after he been playing around at his previous employers. The only thing he gave Saints was a golorious day out at Wembley winning the Johnstone paint trophy. But it stops there. As it was AP who messed it up playing around with players misses again. And if the rumours are true I hope Fonte is so up for it, that he lets absolutey nothing past him on Sunday,and even scores a couple!!
Yes he made some good signings with the help of NC! But DE it stops there. It is totally out of order to suggest NA success of back to back promotions is down to AP signings! NA kept the better ones, and got rid of not so better ones. The ones he kept he made better players DE!! AP has also brought better players in since too....Clyne and Gaston for example. He also turned players mentality around that AP could not like Punc! DE you talk about players respecting him, well I personallly find this hard to believe. The players got rid of AP, and the players play for NA! So do not for one mintue suggest this cub owe AP anything. He was paid good money, and had good money at his disposal in the lower leagues, and he only archived the bear minium. NA has taken a team he/AP left, due to his own stupidity and NA has taken Southampton FC back to the prem! Not AP!! In the prem now ue to NA hard work only!!
Why oh why DE are you looking to bring NA down at every concievable chance you can?
STID
CB FRY LIVES
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5:45pm Sat 24 Nov 12
TEBOURBA
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8:56pm Sat 24 Nov 12
es/2012/11/prweb1016
0131.htm.
I don't expect the happy clappers -- Cortese can do no wrong brIgade--- will bother to do this but if a few fair minded people decide to log on they will see the impartial court ruling on Cortese and his attempts to bankrupt Solent Interiors and throw hardworking people on to the dole.
The man on £600k a year, with no knowledge of how hard a carpenter or plumber has to work just to make ends meet, is an arrogant shyster is beneath contempt.
OSPREYSAINT
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10:16pm Sat 24 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:I have tried but it doesn't work, how about cutting and pasting the relevant bits?
The happy clappers will say I'm at it again but just to see what sort f a man Cortese is, log on to www.prweb.com/releas
es/2012/11/prweb1016
0131.htm.
I don't expect the happy clappers -- Cortese can do no wrong brIgade--- will bother to do this but if a few fair minded people decide to log on they will see the impartial court ruling on Cortese and his attempts to bankrupt Solent Interiors and throw hardworking people on to the dole.
The man on £600k a year, with no knowledge of how hard a carpenter or plumber has to work just to make ends meet, is an arrogant shyster is beneath contempt.
Velleity
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10:08am Sun 25 Nov 12
TEBOURBA wrote:I've suggested this before and I mean it genuinely.
The happy clappers will say I'm at it again but just to see what sort f a man Cortese is, log on to www.prweb.com/releas
es/2012/11/prweb1016
0131.htm.
I don't expect the happy clappers -- Cortese can do no wrong brIgade--- will bother to do this but if a few fair minded people decide to log on they will see the impartial court ruling on Cortese and his attempts to bankrupt Solent Interiors and throw hardworking people on to the dole.
The man on £600k a year, with no knowledge of how hard a carpenter or plumber has to work just to make ends meet, is an arrogant shyster is beneath contempt.
Please do go and see your GP. Your obsession is unhealthy - we can see that, you clearly can't. He/she will refer you to someone who can help you to see things in a more mentally healthy way.
Costa Baz
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11:01am Sun 25 Nov 12
Is this the same as saying any reporter, worth his salt, should be able to write a positive piece on the Saints/Saints Management based on the words available to him in the Oxford English Dictionary?
Or does it depend on the capability of the person being asked to do the job??
saintshorse101
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11:43am Sun 25 Nov 12
Velleity wrote:i agree velleity, this story that the boooooorer has trawled the internet for is no different to the story the echo ran with the other day, infact when you read the statement made by the sis rep " "This case highlights the continued poor payment practices of many major businesses towards smaller sub contractors." indicates what others said to the booooooorer the other day, its not just saints most big businesses will try to pay as late as they can!
TEBOURBA wrote: The happy clappers will say I'm at it again but just to see what sort f a man Cortese is, log on to www.prweb.com/releas es/2012/11/prweb1016 0131.htm. I don't expect the happy clappers -- Cortese can do no wrong brIgade--- will bother to do this but if a few fair minded people decide to log on they will see the impartial court ruling on Cortese and his attempts to bankrupt Solent Interiors and throw hardworking people on to the dole. The man on £600k a year, with no knowledge of how hard a carpenter or plumber has to work just to make ends meet, is an arrogant shyster is beneath contempt.I've suggested this before and I mean it genuinely. Please do go and see your GP. Your obsession is unhealthy - we can see that, you clearly can't. He/she will refer you to someone who can help you to see things in a more mentally healthy way.
i do think you need help booooooorer you need to get past your love/hate feelings regarding NC, and yes this is a genuine call for you to seek the assistance you clearly need. i also think that we might need to contact NC and tell him to beef up his security, maybe he could then charge it to sfc!
TEBOURBA
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5:20pm Sun 25 Nov 12
How can any right minded, caring person with a modicum of conscience defend this?
The boss of any company that forces a smaller company to go to court to obtain their fair payment is a shyster and beneath contempt as are those who condone it.
Because of this practice many small companies go to the wall due to lack of cash, resulting in honest, decent, hardworking men losing their jobs and their families suffering.
Mind you the terms honest, decent hardworking and families suffering, are alien to the fat cats.
Try getting in to SMS and saying you'll pay in 6 months time but only if the court orders me to and see how far you get!
Little Hitler says...
4:46pm Fri 23 Nov 12
Except for the forum trolls, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!