Gazzaniga in the spotlight after Norwich error (From Daily Echo)

I like Gazza but we just can NOT carry him. The defence is looking better and better. Gazza cost us tonight as he did against Swansea, he might have got away with errors in league 1 but not here and now.
Yes he is only 20, yes give him experience but if we were to go down due to these unforced errors would we still forgive him?
I think we should buy the Norwich keeper... He looked useful.
Gazza in the sticks on Saturday and I will be worried. He's had 1 very good game in the last 5 or 6... We need a keeper that's good for 5 or 6 games with the odd bad one.
I know Gazza will be feeling crap and he is a Saints player that I will support but how many mistakes can we afford?

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I like Gazza but we just can NOT carry him. The defence is looking better and better. Gazza cost us tonight as he did against Swansea, he might have got away with errors in league 1 but not here and now.
Yes he is only 20, yes give him experience but if we were to go down due to these unforced errors would we still forgive him?
I think we should buy the Norwich keeper... He looked useful.
Gazza in the sticks on Saturday and I will be worried. He's had 1 very good game in the last 5 or 6... We need a keeper that's good for 5 or 6 games with the odd bad one.
I know Gazza will be feeling crap and he is a Saints player that I will support but how many mistakes can we afford?

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Still think Yoshi is incredibly suspect. Doesn't look comfortable on the ball, plays far too deep keeping the opposition on side, and when he gets the ball he either kicks it to the opposition or shoots from the half way line! Bring back Jos!!!

Just another reader wrote:
Still think Yoshi is incredibly suspect. Doesn't look comfortable on the ball, plays far too deep keeping the opposition on side, and when he gets the ball he either kicks it to the opposition or shoots from the half way line! Bring back Jos!!!

Are you mental? If i remember correctly, before he was dropped he was responsible for a penatly, 2 own goals, several **** ups that led to goals and i might be thinking of something else, but wasn't he sent off in one too?

I like Jos, but while Fonte, Yoshi and Clyne have been steadily improving all through the season, he was still making stupid mistakes.

What really worries me here is that the back 4 seem to be loosing faith in Gazza. There seemed to be numerous times tonight where it seemed like the obvious choice was to pass back to the him, but they opted to try and play out of danger.

I still don't think we should drop him though. He is still young and will come good. Apart from the odd mistake (which admittedly have been costly) he seems pretty solid.

Do wish he would stop hoofing the ball up field. We are a good passing side. We should be playing out from the back instead of cheaply giving away posession.

Main problem today though seemed to be up the front. Front 4 just didn't seem to be sparking like they have in the last 3 games and giving up posession to easily all over the pitch. Not sure why... maybe the game on sunday took too much out of them.

Oh well... onwards and upwards.

Bring on the weekend!

bigfella777 wrote:

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I like Gazza but we just can NOT carry him. The defence is looking better and better. Gazza cost us tonight as he did against Swansea, he might have got away with errors in league 1 but not here and now.
Yes he is only 20, yes give him experience but if we were to go down due to these unforced errors would we still forgive him?
I think we should buy the Norwich keeper... He looked useful.
Gazza in the sticks on Saturday and I will be worried. He's had 1 very good game in the last 5 or 6... We need a keeper that's good for 5 or 6 games with the odd bad one.
I know Gazza will be feeling crap and he is a Saints player that I will support but how many mistakes can we afford?

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You are not, and have never been, a Saints fan.

Gazza didn't let us down tonight, we were let down in the close season by the failure of NC and NA to recognise weaknesses and sign a decent goalkeeper.
We now have two over the hill goalkeepers, one with attitude and one novice who made his league debut for Gillingham less than a year ago!
My God, Suarez will eat him alive!
As LMcM said a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season that's why he signed Shilts!

Don't say it's Adkins fault! The happy clappers will get all upset. They're like children, a couple of victories and the defensive frailties we displayed in the first couple of months, miracously disappear. Because they've bought a season ticket, they have to kid themselves into believing all is rosey! Either that or they know squat about football! Probably a bit of both.

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I like Gazza but we just can NOT carry him. The defence is looking better and better. Gazza cost us tonight as he did against Swansea, he might have got away with errors in league 1 but not here and now.
Yes he is only 20, yes give him experience but if we were to go down due to these unforced errors would we still forgive him?
I think we should buy the Norwich keeper... He looked useful.
Gazza in the sticks on Saturday and I will be worried. He's had 1 very good game in the last 5 or 6... We need a keeper that's good for 5 or 6 games with the odd bad one.
I know Gazza will be feeling crap and he is a Saints player that I will support but how many mistakes can we afford?

agreed mate, gazza costing us points all the time,

i think we all wouldnt mind if norwich scored a screamer from 30 yards.

its the fact that we are gifting goals away to easy, (or gazza is).
we also learnt hooiveld was giving cheap goals away and we dropped him.

super kelv for liverpool game please!

we could be having the 3 points! not just the one!

i think youd all agree with me on this.

Saint2824 wrote:

Just another reader wrote:
Still think Yoshi is incredibly suspect. Doesn't look comfortable on the ball, plays far too deep keeping the opposition on side, and when he gets the ball he either kicks it to the opposition or shoots from the half way line! Bring back Jos!!!

Are you mental? If i remember correctly, before he was dropped he was responsible for a penatly, 2 own goals, several **** ups that led to goals and i might be thinking of something else, but wasn't he sent off in one too?

I like Jos, but while Fonte, Yoshi and Clyne have been steadily improving all through the season, he was still making stupid mistakes.

What really worries me here is that the back 4 seem to be loosing faith in Gazza. There seemed to be numerous times tonight where it seemed like the obvious choice was to pass back to the him, but they opted to try and play out of danger.

I still don't think we should drop him though. He is still young and will come good. Apart from the odd mistake (which admittedly have been costly) he seems pretty solid.

Do wish he would stop hoofing the ball up field. We are a good passing side. We should be playing out from the back instead of cheaply giving away posession.

Main problem today though seemed to be up the front. Front 4 just didn't seem to be sparking like they have in the last 3 games and giving up posession to easily all over the pitch. Not sure why... maybe the game on sunday took too much out of them.

Oh well... onwards and upwards.

Bring on the weekend!

i fancy we can get something at the two man team liverpool who are average at best,

we will need a determined and caring goalkeeper in kelvin davies if we are to pick up some points,

if Davies had been in goal for the swansea and norwich game which were very similar games we would of had maximum points.

i think we'd all agree that its ok trying a inexperienced goalkeeper when your mid table! but not when your trying to stay in thew division, we cant afford errors every other game which is what it is!

super kelv please!

and maybe a centre half in the window! looks like dawson will now go to QPR!

TEBOURBA wrote:
Gazza didn't let us down tonight, we were let down in the close season by the failure of NC and NA to recognise weaknesses and sign a decent goalkeeper.
We now have two over the hill goalkeepers, one with attitude and one novice who made his league debut for Gillingham less than a year ago!
My God, Suarez will eat him alive!
As LMcM said a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season that's why he signed Shilts!

Desperate to see either Davies or Boruc in goal saturday, prefably davies.

Surely there must be a young goalkeeper who doesnt make many errors in the championship.

kasper schmeical or someone similar?

I dont know any goalkeeper who makes as many mistakes as gazzainga. i do remember a certain bruce grobbelaar though!

ps, watching that gazza error on match of the day is very painful as norwich hardly had any shots all game!

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Short memories. yes it was a bad goal but lets not forget the newcastle save. Saints need to play football sometimes and create chances. lacking last night for most of the game.

townieboy wrote:
Short memories. yes it was a bad goal but lets not forget the newcastle save. Saints need to play football sometimes and create chances. lacking last night for most of the game.

Agreed. Yes, it was (another) clanger. Yes, maybe he has been thrown in too early. Yes, maybe Nigel should consider one of the others.

The trouble is, he had 'an off moment' and paid for it. That's the problem goalies have. However, several players had off nights but I'm not going to call for them to be dropped. Ramirez struggled all night and Clyne wasn't at his best in the first half.

The margins can be small. Here's a 'what if'. What if he had saved it and we'd led at half time and Houghton had altered his tactics from the start of the second half and it resulted in Norwich scoring straight after the break? Maybe they'd have carried that momentum forward and gone on to win.

It's all 'what ifs'. Maybe at Anfield, Gazza will have a blinder, Fox will replace Shaw (injured?) and be man of the match and Guly will get a hatrick.

I know, I know, but what if .......?

Bring in K D between the sticks,why has he suddenly become a bad keeper ? and not to be used, experience goes a long way in big games, if his good enough sit on the bench he`s good enough to play
The start of the season we were green to the Prem and prone in defence, who paid for it K .D lets give the guy a fair crack. him Put in against LFC,he can`t be any worse than Gazza

Bring in K D between the sticks,why has he suddenly become a bad keeper ? and not to be used, experience goes a long way in big games, if his good enough sit on the bench he`s good enough to play
The start of the season we were green to the Prem and prone in defence, who paid for it K .D lets give the guy a fair crack. him Put in against LFC,he can`t be any worse than Gazza

Bring in K D between the sticks,why has he suddenly become a bad keeper ? and not to be used, experience goes a long way in big games, if his good enough sit on the bench he`s good enough to play
The start of the season we were green to the Prem and prone in defence, who paid for it K .D lets give the guy a fair crack. him Put in against LFC,he can`t be any worse than Gazza

Norwich awarded a free kick just outside the box and Gazza only wants 3 in the wall.
He made it difficult for himself, someone should have seen this and got a 2 more bodies in the wall.
Snodgrass must have thought it was xmas when he saw so much goal to aim for.
Still think he is best of a bad bunch.
Robert Green in Jan please.

Always remember Kev can't control his box and the great stops he makes seem to get played back to the other team

A couple of weeks ago I said it was a lot to ask of a 20 year old keeper with only, 15 league appearances for Gillingham to start in the Premiership, with a weak back four in front of him. I was harangued by the so called ‘happy clappers’ and cruelly labeled a ‘skunt’.

After his latest mistake, you’re all starting to sing from my song sheet! Better to not dismiss peoples observations, based on a perceived negative connotation of a post. Because the end result is, you all look foolish! As per usual!

It's a tough call, because I agree that kelvin's distribution is too hit and miss -- his kicks out put out midfield under immediate pressure, more often than not.

Gazzaniga could do with a game or two of rest though, as could Ramirez and maybe rickie. All three looked seriously knackered last night.

As a former keeper, Nigel will be looking for more sustained performances from gazzaniga. Sounded to me from his interview on the radio last night that he's getting ready to bring back super kelv or Borat.

put kd in until jan send borat packing and bring in an experienced premier league keeper and cb.

we've got a manager that used to be a keeper.

Surely it's one position we should be able to get right?

Clearly not

I've got some sympathy for the bring back KD shouts. However I do remember the bad distribution against Man U that could have been said to cost us that game, and that when we were playing well - it's a moot point.

Last night the whole team were a little unsettled, I'm not sure if it was just a lack of faith in Gazza, or just fatigue, or simply the midfield failing to perform. It's all pretty close calls but the fact is we did not lose against a form team as we did early in the season.

All round probably our worst display of the season. On Sunday it was difficult to name a MoM as everyone played well. Yesterday nobody really stood out. Their goal was a basic error by Gazza. Not a great strike and straight at him. It's most likely he has cost us 4 points in recent games and we can't afford that in our current position. I too don't believe the defence has confidence in him and neither does the crowd Norwich were nothing special but Yoshida had the difficult task of trying to beat the" fat Ricky Lambert" in the air and not many centre halfs would do any better. Having said that he did give the ball away far too often in the second half.Hope Luke Shaw is ok cos he looked good but Foxy should have been on the bench to replace hime at left back. The young lad who came on was nervous and struggled. Anyway we got a point and most of us would have settled for our current points tally after our poor (if unlucky) start to the season.

Towards the middle of the second half I thought Puch looked a bit tiered. I would have brought Mayuka on as he would have scared the sh!t out of their left back who was also tiring. There was a couple of occasions where Punch picked up the ball in shed load of space but for me, didn’t have the legs. Still, if at the start of the QPR game someone offered us 7 points out of 9 I would have bitten their hand off. COYRs

The problem is that none of the keepers has grabbed the shirt.
Gazza does seem prone to lapses of concentration, and looks a bit nervous in terms of dominating hs area, but he also makes some great saves-against Newcastle, and another good one from Holt last night.
Davis is also a good shot stopper, but similar problems of dominating, and distribution as Gazza.
Boruc just looks overweight and not very reliable to me.
Someone said Green in January above, but he's riddled with the same inconsistencies.
I agree we need to do something, but can't see too many good alternatives out there.
A true leader of a CB might help though.

Dickosfc wrote:
Towards the middle of the second half I thought Puch looked a bit tiered. I would have brought Mayuka on as he would have scared the sh!t out of their left back who was also tiring. There was a couple of occasions where Punch picked up the ball in shed load of space but for me, didn’t have the legs. Still, if at the start of the QPR game someone offered us 7 points out of 9 I would have bitten their hand off. COYRs

agree on this, nigel brings his subs on way to late!

we needed fresh legs at half time or midway through the second half!

its obvious that we needed more energy.

nigel needs to get his subs on earlier, not last few mins!

ps, two words

kelvin davies

Ross123 wrote:
ps, two words

kelvin davies

Or Davis, even?

Gazza mistakes = 4 points dropped. Give the kid a break and bring in KD

townieboy wrote:
Short memories. yes it was a bad goal but lets not forget the newcastle save. Saints need to play football sometimes and create chances. lacking last night for most of the game.

One decent stop against the Geordies doesn't compensate for 3 errors that lead directly to goals in the games against Swansea, QPR and Norwich.

Neither Swansea or Norwich looked as if they'd score, without a gimme.

His errors are too many in too few games, and they are leading to goals and lost points.

TEBOURBA wrote:
Gazza didn't let us down tonight, we were let down in the close season by the failure of NC and NA to recognise weaknesses and sign a decent goalkeeper.
We now have two over the hill goalkeepers, one with attitude and one novice who made his league debut for Gillingham less than a year ago!
My God, Suarez will eat him alive!
As LMcM said a good goalkeeper is worth 10 points a season that's why he signed Shilts!

We replaced TWEEDLE DUM-BART BILAKOWSKI with TWEEDLE DEE-GAZZA who clearly isn't up to the job.
But don't worry we have THE WALRUS-BORUC and THE CARPENTER -KELVIN DAVIS waiting in the wings.And if they can't do the business how about bringing back THE CHESHIRE CAT -TOM'CAT'FORECAST from gilingham.For the last couple of seasons it has been great following the adventures of ADKINS IN WONDERLAND.This season it has been a case of ADKINS THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS.A much more reflective and often ponderous exercise.Lets hope that that poor old Adkins can sort out the mini crisis inbetween the croquet sticks.Otherwise THE QUEEN OF TARTS -Nicola-will be entering stage right with the dreaded 'OFF WITH HIS HEAD'

i do love how fickle some of you lot are!
gazza`s cost us 4 pts because of his mistakes you say, bring KD in you say!
well most of you were saying that KD should have been dropped after the manure game. most of you were saying that AB was a great signing, a keeper with top flight experience!
well the qpr goal might just have been due to their player being given a free run through the box! swansea wasnt a great pass to yoshi but yoshi could also have put his boot through the ball. gazza has made more than 1 good save of late, last night he made a good save from another free header. i think gazza is the best keeper we have at the moment, i do like KD but think gazza is better. i see theboooooorer is blaming NC again, no surprise there then. i know some will call me a `happy clapper` and think that its wrong to support the team, well thats your choice, what i know is we have a great chairman, manager and coaching set up. if they think that gazza is the right player for the team, after spendng all the time with all keepers in training, then thats good enough for me. i dont know if KD is worse or better than gazza, but if NA picks a keeper i will support that keeper. are we going to start giving gazza the same treatment that some give to guly and fox?

saintshorse101 wrote:
i do love how fickle some of you lot are!
gazza`s cost us 4 pts because of his mistakes you say, bring KD in you say!
well most of you were saying that KD should have been dropped after the manure game. most of you were saying that AB was a great signing, a keeper with top flight experience!
well the qpr goal might just have been due to their player being given a free run through the box! swansea wasnt a great pass to yoshi but yoshi could also have put his boot through the ball. gazza has made more than 1 good save of late, last night he made a good save from another free header. i think gazza is the best keeper we have at the moment, i do like KD but think gazza is better. i see theboooooorer is blaming NC again, no surprise there then. i know some will call me a `happy clapper` and think that its wrong to support the team, well thats your choice, what i know is we have a great chairman, manager and coaching set up. if they think that gazza is the right player for the team, after spendng all the time with all keepers in training, then thats good enough for me. i dont know if KD is worse or better than gazza, but if NA picks a keeper i will support that keeper. are we going to start giving gazza the same treatment that some give to guly and fox?

You're missing the point! We have three goalkeepers who, it's very questionable, if any are good enough to play a role in keeping us in top flight football.

It's not just a matter of who out of the three is best. Gazza did not have the experience to be thrown in at the deep end with the back four we have.

Kelvin, great servant to the club, is passed his best. And the other one, on the face of it, looks the best bet, but he seems to be unpredictable. So now we have a dodgy back four and situation where we have three keepers that aren't Premier league standard.

That is why most of us are feeling a bit on the pessimistic side. Sorry!

saintshorse101 wrote:
i do love how fickle some of you lot are!
gazza`s cost us 4 pts because of his mistakes you say, bring KD in you say!
well most of you were saying that KD should have been dropped after the manure game. most of you were saying that AB was a great signing, a keeper with top flight experience!
well the qpr goal might just have been due to their player being given a free run through the box! swansea wasnt a great pass to yoshi but yoshi could also have put his boot through the ball. gazza has made more than 1 good save of late, last night he made a good save from another free header. i think gazza is the best keeper we have at the moment, i do like KD but think gazza is better. i see theboooooorer is blaming NC again, no surprise there then. i know some will call me a `happy clapper` and think that its wrong to support the team, well thats your choice, what i know is we have a great chairman, manager and coaching set up. if they think that gazza is the right player for the team, after spendng all the time with all keepers in training, then thats good enough for me. i dont know if KD is worse or better than gazza, but if NA picks a keeper i will support that keeper. are we going to start giving gazza the same treatment that some give to guly and fox?

Is this a serious post? Because Gazza is the best of the three everything is ok. How about if myself, Kermit and Bagpuss are the three keepers. If I'm considered the best does that mean you'll be happy? Because Nigel would have run his eye over us in training and come to the conclusion that I'm the best of the three. (Truth be told Kermit would probably edge me out!)

Gazza makes a good save and we should be turning cartwheels. It's his job! Gazza isn't to blame, the manager is.

"He received a round of applause when he made his way back inside"

If that's about Clattenburg NO he didn't

Ross123 wrote:

Norwegian Saint wrote:
I like Gazza but we just can NOT carry him. The defence is looking better and better. Gazza cost us tonight as he did against Swansea, he might have got away with errors in league 1 but not here and now.
Yes he is only 20, yes give him experience but if we were to go down due to these unforced errors would we still forgive him?
I think we should buy the Norwich keeper... He looked useful.
Gazza in the sticks on Saturday and I will be worried. He's had 1 very good game in the last 5 or 6... We need a keeper that's good for 5 or 6 games with the odd bad one.
I know Gazza will be feeling crap and he is a Saints player that I will support but how many mistakes can we afford?

agreed mate, gazza costing us points all the time,

i think we all wouldnt mind if norwich scored a screamer from 30 yards.

its the fact that we are gifting goals away to easy, (or gazza is).
we also learnt hooiveld was giving cheap goals away and we dropped him.

super kelv for liverpool game please!

we could be having the 3 points! not just the one!

i think youd all agree with me on this.

i think ur all chatting rubbish n have short memories!!! maybe ur more suited to a fish tank!!!! gazza made two incredibly good saves on sunday that kept us in the match n ur calling for i always get beat at the near post davis...............
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............... are you mad?

Bill Shankly said that going in to a game with a poor keeper is like playing the whole 90 minutes with ten men ---outfield players have to raise their game 110% to compensate.
Maybe that's why the youngest team in the PL, professional, highly trained, fit, well paid athletes were fatigued last night after playing a game on Sunday.
The problem has been all season that NC and NA wasted £19m on two average players, no better than what we already have and overlooked the fact that KD was well past his best even in the Championship.
Does anyone really think that any of the three keepers at SMS are a match for the likes of Suarez, Walcott, Bale, Rooney,Torres, etc. etc. ad infinitum?
If supporters could see the glaring weakness, last season why couldn't NC and NA?
Their answer was to sign a novice from Gillingham and an over the hill, out of contract keeper with attitude.
Place the blame where it lies at NC and NA's doors - their combined lack of knowledge could cost the Saints at least 10 points this season and maybe their place in the PL.

redandy10 wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: i do love how fickle some of you lot are! gazza`s cost us 4 pts because of his mistakes you say, bring KD in you say! well most of you were saying that KD should have been dropped after the manure game. most of you were saying that AB was a great signing, a keeper with top flight experience! well the qpr goal might just have been due to their player being given a free run through the box! swansea wasnt a great pass to yoshi but yoshi could also have put his boot through the ball. gazza has made more than 1 good save of late, last night he made a good save from another free header. i think gazza is the best keeper we have at the moment, i do like KD but think gazza is better. i see theboooooorer is blaming NC again, no surprise there then. i know some will call me a `happy clapper` and think that its wrong to support the team, well thats your choice, what i know is we have a great chairman, manager and coaching set up. if they think that gazza is the right player for the team, after spendng all the time with all keepers in training, then thats good enough for me. i dont know if KD is worse or better than gazza, but if NA picks a keeper i will support that keeper. are we going to start giving gazza the same treatment that some give to guly and fox?

Is this a serious post? Because Gazza is the best of the three everything is ok. How about if myself, Kermit and Bagpuss are the three keepers. If I'm considered the best does that mean you'll be happy? Because Nigel would have run his eye over us in training and come to the conclusion that I'm the best of the three. (Truth be told Kermit would probably edge me out!) Gazza makes a good save and we should be turning cartwheels. It's his job! Gazza isn't to blame, the manager is.

i will ignore branfoot as he is no saints fan! so are you saying that even if gazza is the best NA should not pick him? what else can he do? there is over a month untill the window opens so we cant get anyone else. all i am saying is NA is the manager and has an excellent coaching setup, so if he thinks that gazza is the right keeper for the game then for me he is. if he thinks KD is right, then its KD. i am sure that NA knows a lot more about tactics, the oppos, our squad, fitness levels and form than i do or anyone else on here.

saintshorse101 wrote:

redandy10 wrote:

saintshorse101 wrote: i do love how fickle some of you lot are! gazza`s cost us 4 pts because of his mistakes you say, bring KD in you say! well most of you were saying that KD should have been dropped after the manure game. most of you were saying that AB was a great signing, a keeper with top flight experience! well the qpr goal might just have been due to their player being given a free run through the box! swansea wasnt a great pass to yoshi but yoshi could also have put his boot through the ball. gazza has made more than 1 good save of late, last night he made a good save from another free header. i think gazza is the best keeper we have at the moment, i do like KD but think gazza is better. i see theboooooorer is blaming NC again, no surprise there then. i know some will call me a `happy clapper` and think that its wrong to support the team, well thats your choice, what i know is we have a great chairman, manager and coaching set up. if they think that gazza is the right player for the team, after spendng all the time with all keepers in training, then thats good enough for me. i dont know if KD is worse or better than gazza, but if NA picks a keeper i will support that keeper. are we going to start giving gazza the same treatment that some give to guly and fox?

Is this a serious post? Because Gazza is the best of the three everything is ok. How about if myself, Kermit and Bagpuss are the three keepers. If I'm considered the best does that mean you'll be happy? Because Nigel would have run his eye over us in training and come to the conclusion that I'm the best of the three. (Truth be told Kermit would probably edge me out!) Gazza makes a good save and we should be turning cartwheels. It's his job! Gazza isn't to blame, the manager is.

i will ignore branfoot as he is no saints fan! so are you saying that even if gazza is the best NA should not pick him? what else can he do? there is over a month untill the window opens so we cant get anyone else. all i am saying is NA is the manager and has an excellent coaching setup, so if he thinks that gazza is the right keeper for the game then for me he is. if he thinks KD is right, then its KD. i am sure that NA knows a lot more about tactics, the oppos, our squad, fitness levels and form than i do or anyone else on here.

I could care less if you believe I'm a Saints fan or not! I'm not going to insult you, although, after the content of your original post you fully deserve it. Have a nice night horse!

'Bring back Kelvin' You are probably the same people calling for his head when we were conceding by the bucket load even though he could do little about any of the goals he let in!