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Pochettino: It is "obvious" we will survive (From Daily Echo)
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Pochettino: It is "obvious" we will survive
5:04pm Sunday 24th February 2013 in Saints News
By Adam Leitch, Chief Sports Writer
Mauricio Pochettino
Mauricio Pochettino insists it is “obvious” Saints will avoid relegation from the Premier League despite his frustration with referee Chris Foy as his side lost 4-2 at Newcastle.
Saints have a three point cushion above the bottom three ahead of a big fixture against Harry Redknapp’s QPR at St Mary’s on Saturday.
Pochettino is very confident his side will avoid the drop but was not happy with Foy.
The Saints boss wasn’t complaining about the penalty award for handball against Danny Fox but the second goal, claiming there was a foul and then an offside that was missed.
“It is obvious that we will stay in the Premiership,” he said.
“I have the same worry as all the teams that are in that part of the table but it’s neither more or less, it’s the same.
“I do have confidence in my team.
“We played a very good second half where we deserved to win the match but the small details made it that we left St James’ with empty hands.
“The handball is completely involuntary.
“My complaint is their second goal with the foul and the offside that was not called.”
Comments(118)
townhill boy
says...
5:18pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RedArmy1
says...
5:19pm Sun 24 Feb 13
WE DO SO MUCH MORE THAN SURVIVAL. THIS SEASON WE HIT MID - TABLE.
WE ARE GONNA F*CKING SMASH QPR AND WANT MP TO FIR UP THE DRESSING ROOM.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT AT HOME AND WE ALWAYS WIN.
(See Millwall run on U tube )
3 POINTS FOR THE SAINTS NEXT WEEK.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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5:20pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Velleity
says...
5:22pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Ah well, onwards and upwards.
RedArmy1
says...
5:22pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RedArmy1 wrote:Amend to above :
WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.
WE DO SO MUCH MORE THAN SURVIVAL. THIS SEASON WE HIT MID - TABLE.
WE ARE GONNA F*CKING SMASH QPR AND WANT MP TO FIR UP THE DRESSING ROOM.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT AT HOME AND WE ALWAYS WIN.
(See Millwall run on U tube )
3 POINTS FOR THE SAINTS NEXT WEEK.
MP must Fire up the Dressing Room and WE MUST WIN AND TEAR THEM APART.
QPR was great AWAY - now WE DO THEM AT HOME !!
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
saintkenny
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5:28pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RedArmy1
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5:29pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Posters are right in that 2-2 would have been a fair outcome from the game and taking 4 points from Newcastle.
MP must positively control his Players from the touch line - so they do not get the bit between their teeth and commit suicide.
Premier League Managers suss that with Saints playing a high line - they have got a chance on the break.
THAT IS WHY MORE THAN EVER WE NEED THE DEFENCE SORTING.
MP must demonstrate that he can adopt different styles of play.
AGAINST CITY WAS GOOD - TODAY FOR MP IT WAS BELOW STANDARD.
WE WILL BOUNCE BACK AGAINST QPR.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
RedArmy1
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5:29pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Posters are right in that 2-2 would have been a fair outcome from the game and taking 4 points from Newcastle.
MP must positively control his Players from the touch line - so they do not get the bit between their teeth and commit suicide.
Premier League Managers suss that with Saints playing a high line - they have got a chance on the break.
THAT IS WHY MORE THAN EVER WE NEED THE DEFENCE SORTING.
MP must demonstrate that he can adopt different styles of play.
AGAINST CITY WAS GOOD - TODAY FOR MP IT WAS BELOW STANDARD.
WE WILL BOUNCE BACK AGAINST QPR.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
Bring back Branfoot
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5:37pm Sun 24 Feb 13
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
lovemachine
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5:49pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
TEBOURBA
says...
5:56pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
Bring back Branfoot
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5:59pm Sun 24 Feb 13
lovemachine wrote:Agree about Fox and Telfer. I never got why Gordon was keen on Telfer. To defend Poch I think he brought on Fox because Luke is young he might want to protect him and blood him into Premiership football slowly.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
Velleity
says...
6:01pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:Aww, bless, he's back now we've lost. Interesting that he disappeared while we strung together a few results.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
Theborebore used to say (right until the time he went) that NA was living off the back of Pardew's team. Mysteriously, it's now NA's team a mere month later.
Sadly, no mention of Solent Interiors; he's losing his touch.
saintlysoul
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6:03pm Sun 24 Feb 13
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
magnette
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6:03pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RedArmy1
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6:03pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TOP 4|: FOR HOME GAME vs QPR.
KING ALFRED. PRINCE OF WALES.
NORTHAM CLUB AND ROYAL OAK.
UP FOR THE WIN AND 3 MORE POINTS AGAINST QPR.
This is about the WIN - and not the sideshow circus about relegation bound twitchy.
MP needs to acclimatise and understand more about THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.
THE FANS WANT AND DEMAND THE WIN NEXT WEEK.
Let's be seeing PUNCH next week !
Jos and Danny need to UP their game or tell the Manager they cannot make the step up at this level Against Newcastle this was a game we could and should have got something from instead of gifting goals.
RF/RED ARMY. NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH.
RedArmy1
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6:04pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TOP 4|: FOR HOME GAME vs QPR.
KING ALFRED. PRINCE OF WALES.
NORTHAM CLUB AND ROYAL OAK.
UP FOR THE WIN AND 3 MORE POINTS AGAINST QPR.
This is about the WIN - and not the sideshow circus about relegation bound twitchy.
MP needs to acclimatise and understand more about THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.
THE FANS WANT AND DEMAND THE WIN NEXT WEEK.
Let's be seeing PUNCH next week !
Jos and Danny need to UP their game or tell the Manager they cannot make the step up at this level Against Newcastle this was a game we could and should have got something from instead of gifting goals.
RF/RED ARMY. NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH.
Strasbourg Saint
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6:06pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Total b0ll0cks. Another joke refereeing performance against us; another point stolen from us.
It really was the little decisions which swung the game against us, like nearly every 50/50 going for the Toon.
I'd love to see them win the Europa, but their fans really are the most one-eyed, moaning bunch of g!ts I've ever seen - and it had a huge influence on a weak, incompetent ref.
Confucious
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6:08pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:Quick - go down to the morgue and tell them you're ready.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
Bring back Branfoot
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6:13pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:In the Premiership Nigel underachieved with the players he had at his disposal. And a lot of his buys were bench warmers, with most of the first team he put out coming from BA (before Adkins). He didn't even fancy the players he himself bought as regular first team starters, Lee, Jay, Steven, Gazza, Bourac, Sharp and Mayuka.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
I agree that Poch is still unproven at this level but Nigel was well out of his depth at this level. I believe Poch will bring in some quality and get rid of the dead wood.
We are playing a much more threatening game but the defense is no where near the finished article. And time is running out for Jay, he's being given starts, now he must deliver.
pompey in spain
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6:13pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Golden_Salamander
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6:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13
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For those having a go a Fox, remember he had a good game against City last time out and Shaw I believe has missed a fair bit of training over the last 2 or 3 weeks because of his knee. There is also a rumour he took a knock in the game.
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Remember also at 2-2 we had the better chances and if Rickie or Adam had taken one of them we would have probably gone on to win.
Truesaintsfan
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6:20pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:Where was this post last week? Or the week before? Fool. Support your team for fox sake.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
GHamilton
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6:25pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Baddesley Bill
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6:26pm Sun 24 Feb 13
pompey in spain wrote:Good to hear you have a few Euros for a beer tonight....it probably makes up for the last 22 losing bets you've had on Pompey (although I doubt you are that stupid).
OH DEAR!!....HAD A WONDERFUL DAY TODAY HERE WITH YOUR HYTHE CONTINGENT AND MADE MONEY ON A FEW BETS.....BUT TO MAKE YOU LOT FEEL BETTER MY BIGGEST BET MADE AT THE VERY START OF THE SEASON WAS???.......THAT YOU WOULD FINISH 16TH...SADLY.
Shrewd bet on us staying up though...you obviously bet with your head...rather than your heart.
Bring back Branfoot
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6:27pm Sun 24 Feb 13
saintlysoul wrote:I think the idea of Davis being brought in for Punch was that it was an away game against an attacking team so we needed a little more bite in the ball winning department. I can see your side and Poch's.
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
I totally agree about Jay, with all these starts you would think he would start to prove himself a bit.
I don't see Luke playing 90 minutes on a regular basis. The problem is that Danny is the other Left back, God help us!
Strasbourg Saint
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6:30pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Golden_Salamander wrote:Exactly. I think Shaw may have got caught by one of their players as the two raced for a 50/50 ball. It seemed to be a deliberate Toon tactic all afternoon, more clearly deployed at other moments; note when Clyne took a kick from behind when being chased down and hoofing it out of play - Foy wasn't interested. Note how many bookings we had against the Toons big fat ZERO.
Poch was correct, Saints did not get any decisions from Foy in the whole match he was so one sided. But then I believe they have won their last 3 or 4 home games with him I charge.
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For those having a go a Fox, remember he had a good game against City last time out and Shaw I believe has missed a fair bit of training over the last 2 or 3 weeks because of his knee. There is also a rumour he took a knock in the game.
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Remember also at 2-2 we had the better chances and if Rickie or Adam had taken one of them we would have probably gone on to win.
Dirty Northern B4st4rds!
SaintMax
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6:39pm Sun 24 Feb 13
The first not great performance under him doesn't make him carp all of a sudden.
The referee and linesman missed their 2nd goal scorer coming from an offside position FACT
Shaw was illegally manoeuvred off the ball going for a clearing header during the same goal FACT
Fox should not have raised his arms trying to block a cross for the penalty IDIOT
Fox should have seen the huge Hoover in front of him and cleared with his right, not his left TW AT.
Other than these incidents we played well, though JRod and Gaston didn't.
saint Compo
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6:40pm Sun 24 Feb 13
COYR
george chivers
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6:45pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Of course I want us to; but if we don't get a win against QPR we could be in trouble. QPR's next five games will have a big influence on the relegation battle, take a look at them.
saintlysoul
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6:55pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Bring back Branfoot wrote:The problem with Luke is his age he is only 17. He is a great player and physically looks big but can he maintain playing 90 minutes week in week out? It's a big ask! My concern is he will be burnt out. Look at Raheem Sterling he was playing regularly for Liverpool but now seems to be relegated to the bench not dissimilar to what happened to JWP after having started and played the first few games of the season.
saintlysoul wrote:I think the idea of Davis being brought in for Punch was that it was an away game against an attacking team so we needed a little more bite in the ball winning department. I can see your side and Poch's.
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
I totally agree about Jay, with all these starts you would think he would start to prove himself a bit.
I don't see Luke playing 90 minutes on a regular basis. The problem is that Danny is the other Left back, God help us!
The problem is if Luke doesn't play who does? I thought Fox did ok agains t City. I think it's harsh to castigate him today for reasons I've given. Did I read somewhere that Forren can pay at left back? Where is he? Apparently he's now fit but wasn't selected in the 19 players who travelled to Newcastle. The 19th player was Richardson who didn't make the squad today.
It'll be interesting to see the selection against QPR. On today's showing I wonder whether Lallana will start. Puncheon IMO has to.
slugger
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6:59pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint
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7:02pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Bring back Branfoot
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7:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax wrote:Well said on all points. And yes a loss doesn't make us crap all of a sudden. We're going in the right direction.
Funny how the doom mungers and MP doubters have crept back out.
The first not great performance under him doesn't make him carp all of a sudden.
The referee and linesman missed their 2nd goal scorer coming from an offside position FACT
Shaw was illegally manoeuvred off the ball going for a clearing header during the same goal FACT
Fox should not have raised his arms trying to block a cross for the penalty IDIOT
Fox should have seen the huge Hoover in front of him and cleared with his right, not his left TW AT.
Other than these incidents we played well, though JRod and Gaston didn't.
Bring back Branfoot
says...
7:20pm Sun 24 Feb 13
saintlysoul wrote:I agree about the potential for burn out for Luke, but I'm not keen on Fox. I like you can't wait to see Forren, I wonder what the score is with that.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:The problem with Luke is his age he is only 17. He is a great player and physically looks big but can he maintain playing 90 minutes week in week out? It's a big ask! My concern is he will be burnt out. Look at Raheem Sterling he was playing regularly for Liverpool but now seems to be relegated to the bench not dissimilar to what happened to JWP after having started and played the first few games of the season.
saintlysoul wrote:I think the idea of Davis being brought in for Punch was that it was an away game against an attacking team so we needed a little more bite in the ball winning department. I can see your side and Poch's.
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
I totally agree about Jay, with all these starts you would think he would start to prove himself a bit.
I don't see Luke playing 90 minutes on a regular basis. The problem is that Danny is the other Left back, God help us!
The problem is if Luke doesn't play who does? I thought Fox did ok agains t City. I think it's harsh to castigate him today for reasons I've given. Did I read somewhere that Forren can pay at left back? Where is he? Apparently he's now fit but wasn't selected in the 19 players who travelled to Newcastle. The 19th player was Richardson who didn't make the squad today.
It'll be interesting to see the selection against QPR. On today's showing I wonder whether Lallana will start. Puncheon IMO has to.
SFCOLDBOY
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7:26pm Sun 24 Feb 13
He is not always the reason for the goals that we concede but all to often he is the one who has a massive input in our defensive failings.
I posted last season that saints will concede more than our fair share if he is our left back in the prem,as
he will be targeted.
I know his supporters say that his crossing and set plays are an asset to us,my argument is that his defensive duties are by far more important and unfortunately this is his achilles heal.
It has been no coincidence that since Luke Shaw has been in the team that our results have been much more consistant.
I know this all sounds like hindsight and that we are unable to change anything now to bring in an alternative but it is time now to say thanks but no thanks Danny you have more than fair share of tries.
Extremely dissapointed at our loss today.
Lets hope the manager learns a lot from this to lift our team and then
take QPR to the cleaners on saturday.
COYR
Velleity
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7:29pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax
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7:31pm Sun 24 Feb 13
saintlysoul wrote:You wonder if Lallana will start...? Did you watch the same game as me?
Bring back Branfoot wrote:The problem with Luke is his age he is only 17. He is a great player and physically looks big but can he maintain playing 90 minutes week in week out? It's a big ask! My concern is he will be burnt out. Look at Raheem Sterling he was playing regularly for Liverpool but now seems to be relegated to the bench not dissimilar to what happened to JWP after having started and played the first few games of the season.
saintlysoul wrote:I think the idea of Davis being brought in for Punch was that it was an away game against an attacking team so we needed a little more bite in the ball winning department. I can see your side and Poch's.
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
I totally agree about Jay, with all these starts you would think he would start to prove himself a bit.
I don't see Luke playing 90 minutes on a regular basis. The problem is that Danny is the other Left back, God help us!
The problem is if Luke doesn't play who does? I thought Fox did ok agains t City. I think it's harsh to castigate him today for reasons I've given. Did I read somewhere that Forren can pay at left back? Where is he? Apparently he's now fit but wasn't selected in the 19 players who travelled to Newcastle. The 19th player was Richardson who didn't make the squad today.
It'll be interesting to see the selection against QPR. On today's showing I wonder whether Lallana will start. Puncheon IMO has to.
Bring back Branfoot
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7:36pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
SFCOLDBOY
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7:39pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Likewise to Spider on his rise and rise in this league,great contribution with another goal.
RedArmy1
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7:52pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY.
STRIKE-FIGHT-WIN !
SaintMax
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7:53pm Sun 24 Feb 13
If it were a one off event and the player was normally rock solid fine, but when it's not the case..
Scarborosaint
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7:56pm Sun 24 Feb 13
promised land
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8:00pm Sun 24 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:I will be looking forward to being shocked at the unbelievable style of football we will be playing under MP. You can already see the seeds being sown.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
Scarborosaint
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8:02pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Scarborosaint wrote:Thought we deserved better than a 4-2 loss saying that
Went to the match , misplaced pass from cork for first goal unfortunately clyne had gone beyond him so left a big hole behind to exploit , second goal was a free kick for what who knows and even though a great strike player came back from an offside position , thought the substitution of shaw swung the game cos fox and mr foy were there best 2 players for last 25 mins. Hate criticising players but fox has poor positional sense, ball watches and no awareness of what's going on behind him. Thought not playing punch was a strange one
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:04pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Of course the team needs strengthening and that will come in the summer. I just don't understand why we never actually sell anyone. We have a lot of players on the wage roll that are very good for the Championship and Div1 and would be desirable to any team aspiring to promotion yet we just loan them out. Sell them on and reduce the squad ffs!
DisplacedFan
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8:10pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Crossley Place Saint
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8:16pm Sun 24 Feb 13
COYR!
El Santo
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8:18pm Sun 24 Feb 13
RedArmy1 wrote:4 wins and we are in for another year of PL. I think that we are going to get this. We should win (MANDATORY) against: QPR, Reading, West Ham, Stoke. Plus a few extra wins/draws, I agree with Pochie, we should be safe.
Posting early for this One as a statement of intent :
TOP 4|: FOR HOME GAME vs QPR.
KING ALFRED. PRINCE OF WALES.
NORTHAM CLUB AND ROYAL OAK.
UP FOR THE WIN AND 3 MORE POINTS AGAINST QPR.
This is about the WIN - and not the sideshow circus about relegation bound twitchy.
MP needs to acclimatise and understand more about THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.
THE FANS WANT AND DEMAND THE WIN NEXT WEEK.
Let's be seeing PUNCH next week !
Jos and Danny need to UP their game or tell the Manager they cannot make the step up at this level Against Newcastle this was a game we could and should have got something from instead of gifting goals.
RF/RED ARMY. NUMBER ONE IN THE SOUTH.
Confucious
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8:20pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Crossley Place Saint
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8:24pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:This is a very good point which I have also made. Look at Lee Barnard for example. Three years ago he was rated as an equal strike partner with SRL. He did a good job for us then. But he has not developed his game like Sir Rickie, and is nowhere near good enough for the Premier League. So he has been loaned out to 2 different League One clubs this year, where he has managed just a handful of goals. Clearly he will never play for our first team again, even if we go down this season. So why is he still on our payroll? Just sell him. This is just one of several examples.
I watched the game in the pub. They had two penalty shouts for handball in the first half and I felt that would have a bearing if there was a third - which sadly there was. Watch it again, it was ball to hand from a yard away, there is no way you could possibly get your hand out of the way in time! Of course the team needs strengthening and that will come in the summer. I just don't understand why we never actually sell anyone. We have a lot of players on the wage roll that are very good for the Championship and Div1 and would be desirable to any team aspiring to promotion yet we just loan them out. Sell them on and reduce the squad ffs!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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8:25pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Crossley Place Saint wrote:I didn't think we pressed today. I thought we sat a lot deeper than recent matches.
Well I don't think it is at all “obvious” that we will avoid relegation. What does seem "obvious" to me is that the "pressing game", while leading to exciting open play, is a very one-dimensional strategy, and MP has no other ideas. It only takes a couple of players to have a bad game (J-Rod! Fox!!), or for the opposing team to work out a way to bypass the "press" and counter-attack, and we have no plan B. A vital game coming up next week and I don't doubt that Twitchy SatchelFace will be studying the video of today's game VERY closely.
COYR!
Strasbourg Saint
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8:42pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Sorry for the delayed reply, we're on the train just north of Oxford and the Internet's touch and go.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Thanks for asking, despite the result, we've had a great time.
We love these adventures, we try to do one per season. It started with a surprise trip up to Carlisle 3 years ago, then it was Hartlepool, then Blackpool, now Newcastle. They're far better travelled in the UK than I was at their age, that's for sure.
I think, including Bournemouth (friendly), Reading, Coventry and Leicester, this makes 7 aways for the lads but it keeps getting harder to get tickets and, aside from 0-0 at Hartlepool, our distant travel success is rubbish.
Still, we met up with 3 regulars from on here (RisingSon, Warrens and his mate ...... um ...... can't think what his log in is, sorry). Anyway, it was great to meet them.
Pity we missed Beer Monster and Scarborough, though. Sunderland next season, per chance?
Strasbourg Saint
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8:46pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Meant to say, 7 trips (not including the friendly at Bournemouth).
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Sorry for the delayed reply, we're on the train just north of Oxford and the Internet's touch and go.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Thanks for asking, despite the result, we've had a great time.
We love these adventures, we try to do one per season. It started with a surprise trip up to Carlisle 3 years ago, then it was Hartlepool, then Blackpool, now Newcastle. They're far better travelled in the UK than I was at their age, that's for sure.
I think, including Bournemouth (friendly), Reading, Coventry and Leicester, this makes 7 aways for the lads but it keeps getting harder to get tickets and, aside from 0-0 at Hartlepool, our distant travel success is rubbish.
Still, we met up with 3 regulars from on here (RisingSon, Warrens and his mate ...... um ...... can't think what his log in is, sorry). Anyway, it was great to meet them.
Pity we missed Beer Monster and Scarborough, though. Sunderland next season, per chance?
Block 34
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8:53pm Sun 24 Feb 13
I don't think its obvious when we are 3 pts off the relegation zone.
Decisions like leaving Punch out & playing Fox don't inspire confidence either, but lets be positive... SRL's 100th goal!! Well done - England surely awaits!!
north wales saint 2
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9:09pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:19pm Sun 24 Feb 13
north wales saint 2 wrote:Or we don't know about the knock Shaw is carrying. Fox did very well against Citeh but Shaw started today so he obviously got the nod ahead of Fox but had to come off for some reason.
Dan Harding Dan Fox both good going forward,can,t defend.Step up Luke Shaw fantastic young defender who can only get better.I thought M P had a few weeks to look at the squad.Obviously can,t see what the fans can
saintlysoul
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9:21pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax wrote:I thought Lallana was quiet first half better second half and a good assist for Lambert's goal. Strasbourg questions whether Lallana is match fit? It was on that basis I question whether he would start against QPR?
saintlysoul wrote:You wonder if Lallana will start...? Did you watch the same game as me?
Bring back Branfoot wrote:The problem with Luke is his age he is only 17. He is a great player and physically looks big but can he maintain playing 90 minutes week in week out? It's a big ask! My concern is he will be burnt out. Look at Raheem Sterling he was playing regularly for Liverpool but now seems to be relegated to the bench not dissimilar to what happened to JWP after having started and played the first few games of the season.
saintlysoul wrote:I think the idea of Davis being brought in for Punch was that it was an away game against an attacking team so we needed a little more bite in the ball winning department. I can see your side and Poch's.
lovemachine wrote:What a shame we lost today. I was on a real high after Man City and today is an anti climax particularly having gone one up.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Danny fox what a joke,gave the game to them!Will never understand what anyone sees in him.Gordon Strachan did the same in 2002/2003 when he had some sort of love affair with Telfer, absolute sh1te-get rid of Fox as soon as or risk relegation.Took best left back in country off and replaced with worst!!!I know shaw was booked but doesn't mean he was going to be sent off!! This decision today was Mauricios first MASSIVE mistake and hope he learns from it.
Well said Poch! We will stay up, end of story. As I have previously said Danny Fox is not Premiership standard and really should be got rid of in the summer along with Do Prado.
I liked the way we played today, we look so much more dangerous under Poch. A lethal dose of Danny was our undoing but long term things look very positive with NC and Poch calling the shots.
I couldn't understand why Puncheon didn't start given his recent form.
Was he excluded to make way for Lallana if he was IMO that was wrong.
Why was Shaw subbed? Was it because he was tiring or not playing very well? I didn't hear he was injured.
Fox was unfortunate. Having seen the penalty my view it was ball to hand. Hoovield og seems to have been a lack of communication.
I'm very disappointed today in Rodriguez I thought he'd turn the corner and was improving. Ramirez likewise was disappointing.
On the plus side it seems Spider, Cork and Davis did well. Great for Rickie to get his hundredth goal he sounded as though he played well!!!!
Oh well onwards and upwards lets just hope we do well against QPR.
I totally agree about Jay, with all these starts you would think he would start to prove himself a bit.
I don't see Luke playing 90 minutes on a regular basis. The problem is that Danny is the other Left back, God help us!
The problem is if Luke doesn't play who does? I thought Fox did ok agains t City. I think it's harsh to castigate him today for reasons I've given. Did I read somewhere that Forren can pay at left back? Where is he? Apparently he's now fit but wasn't selected in the 19 players who travelled to Newcastle. The 19th player was Richardson who didn't make the squad today.
It'll be interesting to see the selection against QPR. On today's showing I wonder whether Lallana will start. Puncheon IMO has to.
SaintMax
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9:39pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Atkinsthepast
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9:49pm Sun 24 Feb 13
7:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how the doom mungers and MP doubters have crept back out.
The first not great performance under him doesn't make him carp all of a sudden.
The referee and linesman missed their 2nd goal scorer coming from an offside position FACT
Shaw was illegally manoeuvred off the ball going for a clearing header during the same goal FACT
Fox should not have raised his arms trying to block a cross for the penalty IDIOT
Fox should have seen the huge Hoover in front of him and cleared with his right, not his left TW AT.
Other than these incidents we played well, though JRod and Gaston didn't.
Well said on all points. And yes a loss doesn't make us crap all of a sudden. We're going in the right direction.”
totally agree with both comments certainly fill a lot more confident with MP in charge
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:55pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Atkinsthepast wrote:Adkins not Atkins ffs!
Bring back Branfoot says...
7:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how the doom mungers and MP doubters have crept back out.
The first not great performance under him doesn't make him carp all of a sudden.
The referee and linesman missed their 2nd goal scorer coming from an offside position FACT
Shaw was illegally manoeuvred off the ball going for a clearing header during the same goal FACT
Fox should not have raised his arms trying to block a cross for the penalty IDIOT
Fox should have seen the huge Hoover in front of him and cleared with his right, not his left TW AT.
Other than these incidents we played well, though JRod and Gaston didn't.
Well said on all points. And yes a loss doesn't make us crap all of a sudden. We're going in the right direction.”
totally agree with both comments certainly fill a lot more confident with MP in charge
saintshorse101
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10:28pm Sun 24 Feb 13
am I happy we lost? no
do I moan at individual players? no its a team game and every player makes mistakes. the difference between a mistake by srl and fox is srl misses a goal whilst fox could cost us a goal.
do I think we will stay up? obviously
st1halo
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10:28pm Sun 24 Feb 13
STID
saintkenny
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10:30pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Atkinsthepast wrote:whos atkins best go back on your diet plum .anybets another skunt wum
Bring back Branfoot says...
7:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13
SaintMax wrote:
Funny how the doom mungers and MP doubters have crept back out.
The first not great performance under him doesn't make him carp all of a sudden.
The referee and linesman missed their 2nd goal scorer coming from an offside position FACT
Shaw was illegally manoeuvred off the ball going for a clearing header during the same goal FACT
Fox should not have raised his arms trying to block a cross for the penalty IDIOT
Fox should have seen the huge Hoover in front of him and cleared with his right, not his left TW AT.
Other than these incidents we played well, though JRod and Gaston didn't.
Well said on all points. And yes a loss doesn't make us crap all of a sudden. We're going in the right direction.”
totally agree with both comments certainly fill a lot more confident with MP in charge
saintkenny
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10:33pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:he had a yellow card poch took him off incase he got sent off .avoiding a 3 game ban .which would of been more damaging
north wales saint 2 wrote:Or we don't know about the knock Shaw is carrying. Fox did very well against Citeh but Shaw started today so he obviously got the nod ahead of Fox but had to come off for some reason.
Dan Harding Dan Fox both good going forward,can,t defend.Step up Luke Shaw fantastic young defender who can only get better.I thought M P had a few weeks to look at the squad.Obviously can,t see what the fans can
north wales saint 2
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10:49pm Sun 24 Feb 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:22pm Sun 24 Feb 13
saintkenny
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11:52pm Sun 24 Feb 13
north wales saint 2 wrote:we have done better defensively over the last few games as a team .looked like taken shaw off had a further effect.but he did get a yellow card and we did not want to get him sent off and a ban .it seemed none of the subs we used had a good impact today .but the squad does need improving overall .i think newcastle played quite a few diagonal long balls .but with the french brigade there much improved .saint would of got a point 6 weeks ago .there soon pull up the table they have the quality now .although we lost it was just a standard premiership defeat .just put it out of your minds and move on .chelsea lost there recently aswell
under Nigel we signed several players who were no better than what we already had.Scoring goals has not generally been a problem for us but keeping them out the other end has.We signed a new centre back in the Jan transfer window who does not make the bench after a month.What I never understood with Nigel being a keeper in his career was why he did not steady the back 4 first and still it seems to continue.Yes we can certainly score goals but defensively?
miltonnroad76
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12:26am Mon 25 Feb 13
Tizz
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12:29am Mon 25 Feb 13
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Some fair points, but you don't really understand Saints transfer policy - a lot of fans don't seem to.
TEBOURBA wrote:In the Premiership Nigel underachieved with the players he had at his disposal. And a lot of his buys were bench warmers, with most of the first team he put out coming from BA (before Adkins). He didn't even fancy the players he himself bought as regular first team starters, Lee, Jay, Steven, Gazza, Bourac, Sharp and Mayuka.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
I agree that Poch is still unproven at this level but Nigel was well out of his depth at this level. I believe Poch will bring in some quality and get rid of the dead wood.
We are playing a much more threatening game but the defense is no where near the finished article. And time is running out for Jay, he's being given starts, now he must deliver.
It was not necessarily Adkins buying and selling players - Saints have a Head of Football Development and Support, a member of the board of directors, called Les Reed.
"Recruitment" is one his four areas of responsibility. I'm sure Adkins had influence, made suggestions and requests, but ultimately the buck stops with Reed.
One of the reasons Pardew was sacked was because he couldn't work with Reed. Pardew is more of an old school mananger in charge of recruitment, not a head coach who reports to a director of football.
Saints fundamentally do not operate a system where the manager controls transfer policy - it makes sense because it creates continuity and the club recruit a certain type of player that fits the club's footballing philosophy.
It aims to avoid the situation where a manager leaves and his replacement has to overhaul the squad because he's inherited players who're not his type of players. When this manager leaves, his successor does likewise and so on.
This is why Saints did badly with Rupert Lowe's revolving door manager policy - it's not such a problem for Cortese when he wields the axe because the replacements fit into an existing system rather than coming in and changing the system.
We should also remember Cortese clearly has a lot of influence over signings - remember the attempt to sign Del Piero at the start of the season? Hardly Adkins' idea. It was motivated by Cortese's belief in potential income generation from his signing as well as, I'm sure, a bit of ego.
I have little doubt Do Prado was a Cortese signing as well although Reed must have agreed. (A signing I actually think was a good one).
Ultimately it will be Reed and Cortese who bring in new players - successes or failures - with input from Pochettino or whoever succeeds him.
US Spitfire
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1:38am Mon 25 Feb 13
Unfortunately it looks like MP is no better :-(
RedArmy1
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7:39am Mon 25 Feb 13
I've also had time to look through recordings of yesterday.
Before we move to the demolition of QPR ... I stand by the points made yesterday at the Service Station heading South.
1) DEFENCE Needs Sorting !!
2) MP needs to be know his Players and be able to grade their quality and put in where Danny Fox and Jos Hooiveld (how many own goals ?) sit in that Table.
3) The CENTRE- BACK PAIRING need fixing with the best that we have in the Squad. (Let's have Jose Fonte and let's try on the Training ground our January Signing)
4) Alan Shearer (who normally likes Southampton - but prefers Newcastle) gave an analysis about SAINTS. It wasn't much of an analysis - BUT goes to reinforce what fans were posting yesterday about tactics.
2-2 and then switching to getting men behind the ball as an option to flooding men forward PERMANENTLY and be susceptable throughout the game to the Counter. There must be variations and not just Plan A.
Admire MP was wanting to WIN and agree that their last 2 goals were almost gifts - but he will be credited as being no better than NIGEL if we cannot record results consistently against sides we are capable of getting a result from.
LOTS OF HARD WORK AND FINAL TWEAK NEEDED.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RF/RED ARMY - WE H8 POMPEY.
WE WILL NEVER BE DEFATED AND FIGHT FOR ALL 3 POINTS.
See you KINGSLAND NORTH / NORTHAM ON SATURDAY AND IN TTHE HARDCORE PUBS BEFORE THE GAME.
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
RedArmy1
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7:45am Mon 25 Feb 13
RedArmy1 wrote:ADAM in the Echo - Start writing about the REAL ISSUES.
RETURNED TO THE FINE CITY OF SOUTHAMPTON ... at 11:15 last night. I've also had time to look through recordings of yesterday. Before we move to the demolition of QPR ... I stand by the points made yesterday at the Service Station heading South. 1) DEFENCE Needs Sorting !! 2) MP needs to be know his Players and be able to grade their quality and put in where Danny Fox and Jos Hooiveld (how many own goals ?) sit in that Table. 3) The CENTRE- BACK PAIRING need fixing with the best that we have in the Squad. (Let's have Jose Fonte and let's try on the Training ground our January Signing) 4) Alan Shearer (who normally likes Southampton - but prefers Newcastle) gave an analysis about SAINTS. It wasn't much of an analysis - BUT goes to reinforce what fans were posting yesterday about tactics. 2-2 and then switching to getting men behind the ball as an option to flooding men forward PERMANENTLY and be susceptable throughout the game to the Counter. There must be variations and not just Plan A. Admire MP was wanting to WIN and agree that their last 2 goals were almost gifts - but he will be credited as being no better than NIGEL if we cannot record results consistently against sides we are capable of getting a result from. LOTS OF HARD WORK AND FINAL TWEAK NEEDED. WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON. RF/RED ARMY - WE H8 POMPEY. WE WILL NEVER BE DEFATED AND FIGHT FOR ALL 3 POINTS. See you KINGSLAND NORTH / NORTHAM ON SATURDAY AND IN TTHE HARDCORE PUBS BEFORE THE GAME. RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY
Finally ..
I am not gonna START on the use of SUBS yesterday - but ALWAYS make sure they don't torpedo our own forces.
WE AIM TO RIP QPR APART.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY 2013. WE FIGHT.WE WIN.
jerseysaint
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8:18am Mon 25 Feb 13
Newcastle are a very good team.
AP has bought well in Jan and they were a very different team to the one we played
at St Marys.
MP is not a bad manager over night.
The team didnt perform as well as they can this happens to all teams.
We played amazing against Man c and
Man u and everton it was just a bad day at the office.
Mr. Cleanstreets
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9:06am Mon 25 Feb 13
To beat QPR is the next big challenge and it will prove to be the toughest test of the season end of!
Come on Saints
JackBauer24
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9:32am Mon 25 Feb 13
OSPREYSAINT
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9:36am Mon 25 Feb 13
OSPREYSAINT
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9:44am Mon 25 Feb 13
JackBauer24 wrote:Pointless post as NA isn't coming back, MoPo wasn't wholly to blame, once the players are on the pitch it is their responsibilty to carry out instructions, Luke was doing his own thing and despite being coached from the bench about his play just carried on and that is why he was subbed, (basing my opinion on Dave Merringtons view at the time). Yes, the Puncheon not starting ploy was a puzzle. I, like most am still waiting to see what Ramirez can offer, hasn't convinced me that he is worth all that money, yet. The Solent commentators during the game were also constantly criticising the inconsistency of the Referee, Hoy, so I guess, despite the obvious bias, he did have a bit of a homer moment. However what is done is done, draw the line move on and let us discuss how we are going to deal with the wrinkly one and his QPR menace.
Three key points I'd like to make. Firstly, he brought on Danny Fox. Schoolboy error. That lad is not Premier League material. All those 'fans' moaning at Nigel for his subs earlier in the season, low and behold your saviour. MoPo lost us that game. Secondly, he put Puncheon on the bench. Erm... what? He's been incredible for us this season! And you put him on the bench? Schoolboy mark 2. And finally, we've lost as many games in 5 under MoPo as we did in 12 under Nige. In conclusion: One Nigel Adkins!
OSPREYSAINT
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9:49am Mon 25 Feb 13
aldermoorboy
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9:51am Mon 25 Feb 13
Can't wait for Saturday.
sarfhamton
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9:55am Mon 25 Feb 13
costa gaz
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10:18am Mon 25 Feb 13
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:When the team gained promotion last season it triggered very generous wage increases for all contracted players.
I watched the game in the pub. They had two penalty shouts for handball in the first half and I felt that would have a bearing if there was a third - which sadly there was. Watch it again, it was ball to hand from a yard away, there is no way you could possibly get your hand out of the way in time!
Of course the team needs strengthening and that will come in the summer. I just don't understand why we never actually sell anyone. We have a lot of players on the wage roll that are very good for the Championship and Div1 and would be desirable to any team aspiring to promotion yet we just loan them out. Sell them on and reduce the squad ffs!
They will all see out their contracts on decent wages that most championship clubs could never match, they go out on loan knowing they'll still be paid in full.
Gone are the days when Brian Clough would say to a player, " clear your locker young man, you've been sold to Preston north End "
BracknellSaint
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10:25am Mon 25 Feb 13
As for Luke, I was under the impression that on top of the yellow, he had a knock, which is why he cam off as he wasn't moving properly?
The reports also say he has a knock, but will hopefully be fit for next week? Is it only me that read this? Or did I miss something?
Attack wise, we weren't ourselves, but in patches Adam looked excellent, and Rickie was his usual self.
Bit concerned that Jay still not looking good enough to be a starter, maybe better on the bench? And Gaston I think is one we'll not see the true best of until next season.
Still, I look at as a game where the ref was a shambles, we gave away 2 soft goals and a soft penalty, and the other was a wonder strike that he'd hit the target like that once in 20 attempts, so still think we shouldn't get too down.
Against QPR, and with their chins up, I can see us putting ourselves pretty healthily clear of the mess below us.
Alicesdad
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10:33am Mon 25 Feb 13
lowemustgo
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11:28am Mon 25 Feb 13
SFCOLDBOY wrote:Yes, well done Rickie and Spider is playing brilliantly. Clyne and Shaw also really trying hard.
Ignoring my previous post, I would like to congratulate Rickie on his century of goals for our great team.
Likewise to Spider on his rise and rise in this league,great contribution with another goal.
Where is Forren? What role did we buy him for?
Can he play instead of Hoover or Fox?
Gaston has been a dead end who tries to run the ball through 3 defenders every game and never makes it. Can he not learn to pass or hold the ball for others?
Puncheon should have started and where is the new contract he deserves?
Lalana great in patches, Rodriguez absent yesterday.
Still the same defensive frailties we had in the autumn - why has the manager not fixed them?
Strasbourg Saint
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11:37am Mon 25 Feb 13
jerseysaint wrote:Totally agree, Jersey.
i think we need a bit of perspective here
Newcastle are a very good team.
AP has bought well in Jan and they were a very different team to the one we played
at St Marys.
MP is not a bad manager over night.
The team didnt perform as well as they can this happens to all teams.
We played amazing against Man c and
Man u and everton it was just a bad day at the office.
It's always a hard place to get a result and it's possibly the best Toon squad since the Keegan era.
On top of that, we've not mentioned the pitch, which I think had a part to play in the outcome (maybe the reason for Cork's error) and, of course, the ref, who couldn't handle the immense pressure placed on him by the most one-eyed fans I can ever remember being amongst.
Strasbourg Saint
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11:40am Mon 25 Feb 13
saintshorse101 wrote:Well put, St Horse101.
1 loss away to the toon and the same people who doubted NA`s team selections and subs are back to tell us all how MP got it wrong. the same moaners about fox and j-rod are moaning again with the same old moans, fox is carp and out of his league, j-rod is a waste of money. of course we now add to these groups the `gaston is a useless waste of money, money that should have been spent on 2-3 defenders` moaners, and all of these people are never wrong, well apart from when those players have good games which they tend to forget.
am I happy we lost? no
do I moan at individual players? no its a team game and every player makes mistakes. the difference between a mistake by srl and fox is srl misses a goal whilst fox could cost us a goal.
do I think we will stay up? obviously
OSPREYSAINT
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12:02pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Alicesdad wrote:Have you got any more records?
I predict a riot
st1halo
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12:17pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint wrote:I agree also. No logic in the comments sometimes. Unless we have a clean sheet every week or have wonder goals scored against us all the time, the fault will always be down to the centre back pairing or full backs in some way. Likewise the left back position in particular is always likely to be the hardest and most heavily criticised as most opposing teams are stronger on the right hand side.
saintshorse101 wrote:Well put, St Horse101.
1 loss away to the toon and the same people who doubted NA`s team selections and subs are back to tell us all how MP got it wrong. the same moaners about fox and j-rod are moaning again with the same old moans, fox is carp and out of his league, j-rod is a waste of money. of course we now add to these groups the `gaston is a useless waste of money, money that should have been spent on 2-3 defenders` moaners, and all of these people are never wrong, well apart from when those players have good games which they tend to forget.
am I happy we lost? no
do I moan at individual players? no its a team game and every player makes mistakes. the difference between a mistake by srl and fox is srl misses a goal whilst fox could cost us a goal.
do I think we will stay up? obviously
Even Pardew compared us to Chelsea so we didn't have a bad day at the office, we weren't outplayed, we just had some bad luck and poor refereeing decisions go against us. No doom and gloom from me!
STID
El Santo
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12:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Be careful, saintshorse101, that don't end up in a lasagna these days!
saintshorse101 wrote:Well put, St Horse101.
1 loss away to the toon and the same people who doubted NA`s team selections and subs are back to tell us all how MP got it wrong. the same moaners about fox and j-rod are moaning again with the same old moans, fox is carp and out of his league, j-rod is a waste of money. of course we now add to these groups the `gaston is a useless waste of money, money that should have been spent on 2-3 defenders` moaners, and all of these people are never wrong, well apart from when those players have good games which they tend to forget.
am I happy we lost? no
do I moan at individual players? no its a team game and every player makes mistakes. the difference between a mistake by srl and fox is srl misses a goal whilst fox could cost us a goal.
do I think we will stay up? obviously
Other than that, I agree. I think that NA would have saved us, but i also think MP will make it happen, as well. NC are a very good team, in a low table position because of the European duties. And we are an even better team, in a low position due to our disastrous first 10 games. None of us should be down there, and we won't.
Beer Monster
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1:27pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Apologies for missing you all - didn't have enough time for breakfast in York, so had something to eat in the Mile Castle, good mixture of home and away fans.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Sorry for the delayed reply, we're on the train just north of Oxford and the Internet's touch and go.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Thanks for asking, despite the result, we've had a great time.
We love these adventures, we try to do one per season. It started with a surprise trip up to Carlisle 3 years ago, then it was Hartlepool, then Blackpool, now Newcastle. They're far better travelled in the UK than I was at their age, that's for sure.
I think, including Bournemouth (friendly), Reading, Coventry and Leicester, this makes 7 aways for the lads but it keeps getting harder to get tickets and, aside from 0-0 at Hartlepool, our distant travel success is rubbish.
Still, we met up with 3 regulars from on here (RisingSon, Warrens and his mate ...... um ...... can't think what his log in is, sorry). Anyway, it was great to meet them.
Pity we missed Beer Monster and Scarborough, though. Sunderland next season, per chance?
Made it into The Strawberry about half an hour before kick off, was understandably busy. I trust you found somewhere to eat with the little Starssies?
I'm up for Sunderland, should I still be living in Scotland at the time.
CB FRY LIVES
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2:28pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Truesaintsfan wrote:Danny Fox needs all the support he can get..he has been made the scaprgoat yet again.but why did MP bring hom on.was shaw injured.
TEBOURBA wrote:Where was this post last week? Or the week before? Fool. Support your team for fox sake.
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
every one is rightly praising Rickie's century of goals but one record we don't want is the most own goals scored by one player in a premiership season.JOS H has equaled the unwanted accolade with 3 so far.hopefully he won't be picked that often again with Fonte back to fitness.but what has happened to Forren,surely he must be fit by now.Newcastle's jan transfer buys have helped the club to shoot up the table already.but Pardew always had an eye for football bargains.our loss has been newcastle 's gain.And talking about losses Ramirez is looking like a dead loss.I would have brought on Puncheon before our dead leg specialist.Mind you i would have started with Jason instead of Jay Rod but it was mp's call and unfortunately he got it wrong.we deserved at least a draw but once again bad selections/substitut
ions,defending and refereeing cost us dear.
Although its harry ratknapp's birthday next saturday we can not afford to be generous to his qpr team.3 points for us are now essential and at least a draw in our next away game v norwich.
COYR
TEBOURBA
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2:31pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Anyone who believes that it is, is either deluding themselves or is a fool.
The opportunity to buy a decent goalkeeper in January was lost, Forren hasn't played,
Cortese's answer was to sack the best Saints manager we've ever had and bring in a non-English speaking managerial failure from the Spanish League.
With those decisions it is pretty obvious to me that Saints have a fight on their hands to stay up ---just replicate MP's record during his time with Saints and project that forward over the remaining games.
If Saints are relegated it will be the fault of one man -- Cortese and for once he should sack himself and not everyone around him!
SO50 Saint
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2:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Yes because Boruc has been shocking since January, don't think he was at fault for any goals yesterday.
bring in a non-English speaking managerial failure from the Spanish League.
I know he can't be any good if he comes highly rated from the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho. Look how many Espanyol youth players currently play in the Spanish League aswell.
It must be very sad to live in your blinkered world Tebourba the club's going forward i'm afraid if you want to support a lower league club Pompey need all the fans they can get
warrens 76
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2:52pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Beer Monster wrote:Hello gang, sorry I was too far gone Strass...nippers had a good time though.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Apologies for missing you all - didn't have enough time for breakfast in York, so had something to eat in the Mile Castle, good mixture of home and away fans.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Sorry for the delayed reply, we're on the train just north of Oxford and the Internet's touch and go.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Thanks for asking, despite the result, we've had a great time.
We love these adventures, we try to do one per season. It started with a surprise trip up to Carlisle 3 years ago, then it was Hartlepool, then Blackpool, now Newcastle. They're far better travelled in the UK than I was at their age, that's for sure.
I think, including Bournemouth (friendly), Reading, Coventry and Leicester, this makes 7 aways for the lads but it keeps getting harder to get tickets and, aside from 0-0 at Hartlepool, our distant travel success is rubbish.
Still, we met up with 3 regulars from on here (RisingSon, Warrens and his mate ...... um ...... can't think what his log in is, sorry). Anyway, it was great to meet them.
Pity we missed Beer Monster and Scarborough, though. Sunderland next season, per chance?
Made it into The Strawberry about half an hour before kick off, was understandably busy. I trust you found somewhere to eat with the little Starssies?
I'm up for Sunderland, should I still be living in Scotland at the time.
Unbelieveable refereeing decisions ..again..
Nonetheless...we are in spite of 2 goals to lightweight up front..RL wonderful but one scoring forwards is not good enough...
Puncheon, bench? what was that all about?
Best to Little Strassies, although one is springing up fast..
warrens 76
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2:55pm Mon 25 Feb 13
TEBOURBA wrote:KNOBB::
MP has complained and moaned about the referee in this one game more than Nigel did during his entire time with Saints.
Experienced, quality managers know that over the course of a season each club gets its fair share of luck.
MP is neither experienced or quailty at present he is surviving on Nigel's hard work --- wait until we see MP's team the happy clappies are in for a big shock!
CB FRY LIVES
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2:58pm Mon 25 Feb 13
SO50 Saint wrote:We will see how good MP is in the close season.if he can unearth a footballing gem from the spanish league like Laudrup did with MICHU then it will be worth the gamble of sacking NA and bringing him in.if he gets saints relegated he will be hard pressed to hang on to his job.if the R word does happen and cortese sticks with him it will be interesting to see if MP will be able to cope with the cut and thrust and constant game on game over a championship season.Especially as if the unthinkable happens and saints go through the trap door there will be an exodus of our best players.
The opportunity to buy a decent goalkeeper in January was lost
Yes because Boruc has been shocking since January, don't think he was at fault for any goals yesterday.
bring in a non-English speaking managerial failure from the Spanish League.
I know he can't be any good if he comes highly rated from the likes of Guardiola and Mourinho. Look how many Espanyol youth players currently play in the Spanish League aswell.
It must be very sad to live in your blinkered world Tebourba the club's going forward i'm afraid if you want to support a lower league club Pompey need all the fans they can get
SO50 Saint
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2:59pm Mon 25 Feb 13
CB FRY LIVES
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3:40pm Mon 25 Feb 13
SO50 Saint wrote:i don't think that we will go down but i admit it is a possibility as opposed to a probability.
I agree CB but I just find it funny people jumping to conclusions after 1 defeat at times yesterday we played very well and could/should have come away with something. That said if we lose next weekend I may start to worry
what was it baden-powell taught us all those years ago.be prepared. MP has got the team playing well but in his five games in charged we have got 5 points.
if we had won yesterday we would have jumped above Sunderland as well as pulling away from the toon and the 4 bottom teams.
MP'S record of a point a game would over a season give us 38 points.this season 38 points might be enough to avoid the drop.in other years it wouldn't be good enough.
The matches we have to win are against our relegation rivals.
Adkins lost at home to wigan,beat villa home and away,beat qpr away, and newcastle and reading at home.15 points out of 18 was good going. mp has drawn at wigan and lost at newcastle.1 out of six is a bad return in my book...he has a great chance to make it 4 out of 9 when we play qpr.then later on in the season he has to beat reading.Of course a few wins and the odd draw against other teams will be most welcome.i think that the only teams who will probably beat us between now and the end of the season are spurs and chelsea.but lets hope we win all of our remaing games.
COYR
JackBauer24
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3:46pm Mon 25 Feb 13
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Yeah and Nigel wasnt wholly to blame when he took off Lambert against United and yet people still complained. I think MoPo is getting let off far to easily.
JackBauer24 wrote: Three key points I'd like to make. Firstly, he brought on Danny Fox. Schoolboy error. That lad is not Premier League material. All those 'fans' moaning at Nigel for his subs earlier in the season, low and behold your saviour. MoPo lost us that game. Secondly, he put Puncheon on the bench. Erm... what? He's been incredible for us this season! And you put him on the bench? Schoolboy mark 2. And finally, we've lost as many games in 5 under MoPo as we did in 12 under Nige. In conclusion: One Nigel Adkins!Pointless post as NA isn't coming back, MoPo wasn't wholly to blame, once the players are on the pitch it is their responsibilty to carry out instructions, Luke was doing his own thing and despite being coached from the bench about his play just carried on and that is why he was subbed, (basing my opinion on Dave Merringtons view at the time). Yes, the Puncheon not starting ploy was a puzzle. I, like most am still waiting to see what Ramirez can offer, hasn't convinced me that he is worth all that money, yet. The Solent commentators during the game were also constantly criticising the inconsistency of the Referee, Hoy, so I guess, despite the obvious bias, he did have a bit of a homer moment. However what is done is done, draw the line move on and let us discuss how we are going to deal with the wrinkly one and his QPR menace.
I think Dave got it wrong- it was cos he was on a booking and looking like he may get another. So I understand taking Luke off, but you either move Yosh to left back and put on Fonte to play at CB or you move Clyne to the left and Cork to RB. MoPo is too reluctant to change a gameplan mid-game, whereas Nigel would be more willing to adjust. Ref did have a shocker. Second goal was never a free kick and then Cisse was offside. I do agree in regards to Ramirez however. And yes we need to draw a line under it (Good ole' Nigel's philosophy!) but it is difficult to swallow when the game could have been so different had it not been for Foy and some schoolboy tactics from MoPo
Eastbourne Outpost
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4:20pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Rising_Son
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4:23pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Beer Monster wrote:You live in Scotland and went to Newcastle from York. No wonder you missed breakfast.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Apologies for missing you all - didn't have enough time for breakfast in York, so had something to eat in the Mile Castle, good mixture of home and away fans.
Bring back Branfoot wrote:Sorry for the delayed reply, we're on the train just north of Oxford and the Internet's touch and go.
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Strass apart from the result did you and your sons enjoy the match? Was it the first match they've been to?
So, even though we didn't play as well as we have done recently, we lose at Toon only because of a bit of an unlucky (though correct) pen and a deflected own goal. In a match in which we played some decent footy but looked rusty and had a lot of our thrust taken away because an inept ref didn't protect our players while giving the Toon all the protection they needed, and all of a sudden there are peeps on here telling Poch how to do his job, that he picked the wrong players, made the wrong subs and employed the wrong tactics.
Here's my assessment of the players:
Boruc did okay, unlucky to concede four.
Today, Fox did no worse than Shaw. who had one of his worst games of the season.
Clyne struggled in the first half but was better in the second.
Yos played quite well but he needs to improve his distribution.
Poor Jos, played okay but for his latest bit of bad luck.
Cork and Spiderman weren't at their best and Cork's poor ball out ofn the defence contributed to one of their goals.
JayRod was ineffective, no more, no less - lest we forget, he was pretty good against the League Champions, as was Fox, no?
Davis worked tirelessly, maybe that's why he was subbed - warn out - I don't know.
Adam doesn't seem quite match fit to me.
Punch and Ramirez both gave their all when they came on, and Ramirez will be fine once he mans up a bit - he's still young ..... so is JayRod.
Those who constantly knock Guly, you got your wish, he didn't make the bench. Maybe he'd have been a better option protecting Shaw (and Fox).
Thanks for asking, despite the result, we've had a great time.
We love these adventures, we try to do one per season. It started with a surprise trip up to Carlisle 3 years ago, then it was Hartlepool, then Blackpool, now Newcastle. They're far better travelled in the UK than I was at their age, that's for sure.
I think, including Bournemouth (friendly), Reading, Coventry and Leicester, this makes 7 aways for the lads but it keeps getting harder to get tickets and, aside from 0-0 at Hartlepool, our distant travel success is rubbish.
Still, we met up with 3 regulars from on here (RisingSon, Warrens and his mate ...... um ...... can't think what his log in is, sorry). Anyway, it was great to meet them.
Pity we missed Beer Monster and Scarborough, though. Sunderland next season, per chance?
Made it into The Strawberry about half an hour before kick off, was understandably busy. I trust you found somewhere to eat with the little Starssies?
I'm up for Sunderland, should I still be living in Scotland at the time.
warrens 76
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4:42pm Mon 25 Feb 13
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
Rising_Son
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4:48pm Mon 25 Feb 13
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
warrens 76
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5:13pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
warrens 76
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5:16pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Eastbourne Outpost wrote:Agreed..however it a'int the boys fault ..we are all born with different levels of talent and 'skill sets' ...
Please..... No more Fox
Now Guly has the talent...that is annoying...got to get his mind right..
Rising_Son
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5:16pm Mon 25 Feb 13
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
SFCSaint
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5:19pm Mon 25 Feb 13
warrens 76
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5:30pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Rising_Son wrote:Norwich looks possible..were are you staying?
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
right back in the bar
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5:45pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Rising_Son
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5:53pm Mon 25 Feb 13
warrens 76 wrote:At the moment I'm in So'ton. I was think just a day trip to Norwich.
Rising_Son wrote:Norwich looks possible..were are you staying?
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
warrens 76
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5:55pm Mon 25 Feb 13
right back in the bar wrote:We can play well, very well and in patches did so gestern (yesterday)...school
yesterdays result was down to bad luck and some poor refereeing decisions. saints played some good football. I don't read anything into this defeat because the way we have been playing will be too good for teams like QPR, Reading and shoud be good enough for wins against WHU, Stoke and WBA as well. I also think we will beat Liverpool and win at least one of the away games against Norwich, Swansea, Sunderland. 48-49 pts is easily do-able comfortably avoiding the drop.
boy errors are a continuous problem however in al my years of watching Saints I have never known a season with so, so, so many bad refeerieng decisions..
..every team believes it is hard done by but this season we really have not had the rub of the green..
warrens 76
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5:57pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Rising_Son wrote:I will check this out and keep you posted..respect to you and your mega journey's..
warrens 76 wrote:At the moment I'm in So'ton. I was think just a day trip to Norwich.
Rising_Son wrote:Norwich looks possible..were are you staying?
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
Rising_Son
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6:14pm Mon 25 Feb 13
warrens 76 wrote:I'll keep my eyes open.
Rising_Son wrote:I will check this out and keep you posted..respect to you and your mega journey's..
warrens 76 wrote:At the moment I'm in So'ton. I was think just a day trip to Norwich.
Rising_Son wrote:Norwich looks possible..were are you staying?
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
redduke
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7:00pm Mon 25 Feb 13
Having said that, it wasn't a penalty, as far as I know the official rule still is 'ball to hand', which it wasn't.
Their 2nd was offside despite what the clowns from MOTD2 think.
Surely Puncheon has to be a better option than JRod who looks lightweight to me.
A game we should have won comfortably but poor finishing, Fox, and awful refereeing (again) cost us.
Strasbourg Saint
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12:22am Tue 26 Feb 13
Rising_Son wrote:Yes, it was good to meet up. Warrens, I trust you got home okay. Thanks for making the (not so) little Strassies welcome at the hotel whilst I was busy chatting away to RS and Will... and Will..., thanks for arranging for us to dump bags at your hotel during the game.
warrens 76 wrote:I'll keep my eyes open.
Rising_Son wrote:I will check this out and keep you posted..respect to you and your mega journey's..
warrens 76 wrote:At the moment I'm in So'ton. I was think just a day trip to Norwich.
Rising_Son wrote:Norwich looks possible..were are you staying?
warrens 76 wrote:I'm around for QPR and Norwich,then it's off back home until August.
Rising_Son wrote:Just!!!
warrens 76 wrote:Good to meet you yesterday. I hope you back home in one piece.
Trouble is JB that everything in life has a price..
...we scored because of our pressing tactics...
...we lost partially because of them..
..what you gonna do?
...I say in life if you are happy 51% of the time you had a result..99% happiness just div'ent happen as like..
...example, some of the most miserable people I know are loaded..
So I for one will be content to stay up!!
next game we will arrange a decent meal etc in advance..that way it does not go pear shaped....how many games are you taking in..4?
I may get back in 3 weeks to st M's..
Pity there was a bit of a c0ck up on the dinner front, but we'll get better organised next time.
BEER MONSTER, sorry we failed to meet up. Having eaten brunch in town (where we met the Saints' mascot with his parents - hope you had a fab day, whoever you are) we wandered a bit and nearly went into the Strawberry, but it looked way too busy so we headed back down the hill to the Three Bulls Heads.
Sunderland away will be a high possibility for our mad adventure next season. It's all going to be so much easier in a couple of years and beyond when we're regularly playing Bayern Munich, PSG and the Northern Italian giants.
Alicesdad
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9:29am Wed 27 Feb 13
townhill boy says...
5:17pm Sun 24 Feb 13