Special report: Should Saints expand St Mary's Stadium?

Special report: Should Saints expand St Mary's Stadium?

Special report: Should Saints expand St Mary's Stadium?

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WITH Saints having all but secured Premier League football for another year, talk is quickly turning to how to best spend the millions that the club will receive from the bumper TV deal which kicks in next season.

Many fans have reignited the long debated topic of whether the club should press ahead and expand their St Mary’s home beyond its current capacity of just over 32,000 seats.

But Saints will need to carefully assess the risk to reward ratio if they are to go ahead with a rumoured £50m plus expansion.

There has long been talk of upping the capacity of St Mary’s, in fact it dates back to just a couple of seasons after it first opened in 2001.

Saints dropped a tantalising teaser themselves when they included images of what appeared to be an extended St Mary’s stadium on a DVD they sent out to season ticket holders before the start of the campaign. The artist’s impression came under the broad headline ‘Our future?’ Before getting too carried away, it is important to stress that at this stage planning applications have not been lodged with Southampton City Council, and there are major stumbling blocks to making it happen.

An extension to 50,000 seats has been mooted but that would not only mean a major reconstruction of the stadium, with all the upheaval that would bring, but also a huge infrastructure project.

When St Mary’s was constructed, it had initially been planned to build a 25,000-seat stadium.

However, the numbers added up in such a way that just over 32,000 seats made more sense.

That came in at a total cost for the project of about £1,000 per seat, with the stadium constructed for around £32m.

It is a relatively simple task to extend by 5,000 seats.

The stadium has been constructed in such a way that the only stand that cannot currently be extended upwards is the Itchen.

However, to go up by potentially 18,000 would require massive outlay.

The last time this was being publically discussed, as Saints sold around 22,000 season tickets on the back of the FA Cup final appearance of 2003, the figures involved were already huge.

Then chairman Rupert Lowe confirmed to the Daily Echo that the cost per seat of a 5,000 extension was likely to be in the region of £3,000-£3,500 per seat – or put another way around £15m-£17.5m.

Generously assuming for a moment that those costs were still the same, it would price an 18,000 extension at around £54m-£63m – but while a 5,000 expansion would be relatively easy to secure and develop, 18,000 is another problem all together and those initial costs could well be very conservative.

Because of the awkward location of St Mary’s and the lack of direct access to it, it would certainly require a major, and hugely costly, infrastructure project.

For starters Saints would have to fund the building and opening of a train station at the ground, and the track work that would also mean.

Add to that the nightmare it can be is to travel to the ground on matchdays by car, with pretty small roads also bearing shopping traffic and parking at a premium.

With an additional 18,000 people heading to games it is likely to be an essential part of the planning requirement that the road access was hugely improved, and that comes at a massive cost.

Saints are also likely to want to try and offset some costs by developing features that other modern grounds have incorporated, such as a hotel, and maybe even a retail and leisure complex.

That would require the purchase of land around St Mary’s, much of which is currently used by industry and certainly wouldn’t come cheap.

With that in mind Saints are sure to have considered the option of moving grounds altogether – which sounds outlandish after little over a decade at St Mary’s but in practical terms could be easier.

One downside would be finding and securing land. People have spoken about the club’s land at Jackson’s Farm, but that currently doesn’t have any planning permission.

Then there is the fact that the resale value of St Mary’s, as estimated during administration, is relatively tiny. Due to its location its uses are pretty limited.

Funding would obviously be a key element.

At the time they were discussing it previously, Lowe set a target of 25,000 season ticket holders for possible expansion.

Saints are still boasting a great many season ticket holders but have also moved towards trying to attract people on a game-by-game basis.

It has worked thanks to the success that has been delivered on the pitch.

This season’s average attendance is 30,696. When it was last being discussed it was around 31,716.

For such a major project there would need to be a huge upfront injection of capital from somewhere.

The obvious source is of course the Liebherr family, but that is a lot of money for anybody.

Otherwise Saints need to look to the banks and the markets.

Maybe a venture capital group would get involved, or a hedge fund.

But it is a big risk, even secured against future earnings from the extended stadium and a stay in the Premier League, with a bumper TV deal set to kick in next season.

Lowe’s words at the time he considered a far less ambitious project will surely echo many of those counting the beans at St Mary’s these days.

“I agree it is, in an ideal world, something we should be looking to do at the appropriate time,” he said.

“But we don’t want to damage the club, so it has to be done in an extremely well-planned and structured way.”

What we are speculating over now is another level altogether.

It would make Saints major players on the domestic, and potentially the world footballing scene.

But the reward must surely have to outstrip the risk for “Our Future?” to be answered in the affirmative.

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9:00am Sat 13 Apr 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

A modest and affordable expansion to start with, whatever the figures quoted now are showing, it is ineveitable that they will be doubled by the time the project is completed, it happens every time. We don't want to start another financial downward spiral do we?
A modest and affordable expansion to start with, whatever the figures quoted now are showing, it is ineveitable that they will be doubled by the time the project is completed, it happens every time. We don't want to start another financial downward spiral do we? OSPREYSAINT
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9:04am Sat 13 Apr 13

FoysCornerBoy says...

I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system.

Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup.

Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it! FoysCornerBoy
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9:24am Sat 13 Apr 13

userds5050 says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system.

Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup.

Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen. userds5050
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9:26am Sat 13 Apr 13

Linesman says...

How many times has there been a sell-out at St Marys?

The visit of about five teams would ensure a sell-out crowd, but other than that there would always be empty seats, which begs the question, would an extra 20,000 seats be worth it for the visit of those five teams?
How many times has there been a sell-out at St Marys? The visit of about five teams would ensure a sell-out crowd, but other than that there would always be empty seats, which begs the question, would an extra 20,000 seats be worth it for the visit of those five teams? Linesman
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9:38am Sat 13 Apr 13

boys1234 says...

For me, a modest expansion opposite the Itchen Stand and re-named the Terry Paine or Mick Channon stand.

Not sure about the railway station, though, unless for away fans only. We have a fine ground despite its' geographical limitations, well capable of hosting Rugby in 2015 in its' current state.

Be positive (as NA used to say) but do not overstretch the finances. In NC we must trust.
For me, a modest expansion opposite the Itchen Stand and re-named the Terry Paine or Mick Channon stand. Not sure about the railway station, though, unless for away fans only. We have a fine ground despite its' geographical limitations, well capable of hosting Rugby in 2015 in its' current state. Be positive (as NA used to say) but do not overstretch the finances. In NC we must trust. boys1234
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9:47am Sat 13 Apr 13

St Retford says...

Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds.

Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv.
Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds. Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv. St Retford
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9:57am Sat 13 Apr 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.
There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out. OSPREYSAINT
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10:08am Sat 13 Apr 13

St Retford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.
Good! I don't want a load of egg-chasers sitting in our seats and making them smell of waxed jackets, Pimms and racism.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.[/p][/quote]Good! I don't want a load of egg-chasers sitting in our seats and making them smell of waxed jackets, Pimms and racism. St Retford
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10:08am Sat 13 Apr 13

saintmark1977 says...

May I respectfully suggest that we all concentrate on staying in the Premiership this season.

Just a reminder that a few seasons back todays opponents went down with a points total in the early Forties.

The job is not done yet. Possible stadium expansion plans are for another day.
May I respectfully suggest that we all concentrate on staying in the Premiership this season. Just a reminder that a few seasons back todays opponents went down with a points total in the early Forties. The job is not done yet. Possible stadium expansion plans are for another day. saintmark1977
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10:10am Sat 13 Apr 13

saintsfanfairoak says...

Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port.

The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc.
So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad.

In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops...
Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port. The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc. So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad. In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops... saintsfanfairoak
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10:17am Sat 13 Apr 13

miltonarcher says...

Get established in the Prem, then have this debate.
Get established in the Prem, then have this debate. miltonarcher
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10:30am Sat 13 Apr 13

userds5050 says...

saintmark1977 wrote:
May I respectfully suggest that we all concentrate on staying in the Premiership this season.

Just a reminder that a few seasons back todays opponents went down with a points total in the early Forties.

The job is not done yet. Possible stadium expansion plans are for another day.
The points total will be much lower this season. The season West Ham went down with 42 points Sunderland were cut adrift with just 19 points. West Brom only finished on 26. The more teams scrapping for survival usually means a lower points total needed to survive.
[quote][p][bold]saintmark1977[/bold] wrote: May I respectfully suggest that we all concentrate on staying in the Premiership this season. Just a reminder that a few seasons back todays opponents went down with a points total in the early Forties. The job is not done yet. Possible stadium expansion plans are for another day.[/p][/quote]The points total will be much lower this season. The season West Ham went down with 42 points Sunderland were cut adrift with just 19 points. West Brom only finished on 26. The more teams scrapping for survival usually means a lower points total needed to survive. userds5050
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10:36am Sat 13 Apr 13

red/whitearmy says...

Only worth expanding if saints remain in the Premier league. In the premiership the plastics return but yet not every home match has sold out. Were safe for next season but after that no one knows. Cortese certainly wont expand if there is no guarantee of premiership for the next 2/3 seasons. We cant sell out this season , So what it guarantee to sell out next season , If the extra plastics return.
Only worth expanding if saints remain in the Premier league. In the premiership the plastics return but yet not every home match has sold out. Were safe for next season but after that no one knows. Cortese certainly wont expand if there is no guarantee of premiership for the next 2/3 seasons. We cant sell out this season , So what it guarantee to sell out next season , If the extra plastics return. red/whitearmy
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10:45am Sat 13 Apr 13

southy says...

userds5050 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system.

Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup.

Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.
[quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground. southy
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11:13am Sat 13 Apr 13

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system.

Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup.

Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.
.. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.[/p][/quote].. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on. freefinker
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11:20am Sat 13 Apr 13

arthur dalyrimple says...

sell the site for development and build a new 50,000 stadium at stoneham ,get it right this time.
sell the site for development and build a new 50,000 stadium at stoneham ,get it right this time. arthur dalyrimple
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11:28am Sat 13 Apr 13

derek james says...

surely the ford transit plant would make an ideal new site, access to motorway, ample parking, come katerina get the cheque book out
surely the ford transit plant would make an ideal new site, access to motorway, ample parking, come katerina get the cheque book out derek james
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11:38am Sat 13 Apr 13

Bring back Branfoot says...

St Retford wrote:
Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds.

Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv.
You think we should be upping sticks and moving after not even 12 years at St Marys, I can't see the logic in that. Plus St Marys is the club's spiritual home!
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds. Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv.[/p][/quote]You think we should be upping sticks and moving after not even 12 years at St Marys, I can't see the logic in that. Plus St Marys is the club's spiritual home! Bring back Branfoot
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11:47am Sat 13 Apr 13

Paramjit Bahia says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.
.. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.
If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.[/p][/quote].. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.[/p][/quote]If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time. Paramjit Bahia
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11:51am Sat 13 Apr 13

mushrooms says...

In order to sell out there will need to be a large portion of seats that are affordable for children (£5?) like there were in the good old days.
In order to sell out there will need to be a large portion of seats that are affordable for children (£5?) like there were in the good old days. mushrooms
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12:03pm Sat 13 Apr 13

freefinker says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.
.. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.
If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time.
.. you do have a good point there, I must admit. LOL
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.[/p][/quote].. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.[/p][/quote]If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time.[/p][/quote].. you do have a good point there, I must admit. LOL freefinker
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12:11pm Sat 13 Apr 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

As the blue Phew have sorted out all of their problems we cannot expect any refugees from down the road after all!
As the blue Phew have sorted out all of their problems we cannot expect any refugees from down the road after all! OSPREYSAINT
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12:14pm Sat 13 Apr 13

sarfhamton says...

We need a train station before any expansion
We need a train station before any expansion sarfhamton
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12:42pm Sat 13 Apr 13

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Paramjit Bahia wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
userds5050 wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.
Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.
.. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.
If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time.
.. you do have a good point there, I must admit. LOL
I prefere to watch Totton
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]userds5050[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]I'm a yes too. You can forget the standing though. Not going to happen.[/p][/quote]Think I would go for a train station built right next to the ground.[/p][/quote].. if that's all it takes for you to 'go'; bring it on.[/p][/quote]If Southy goes you won't know what to do with your time.[/p][/quote].. you do have a good point there, I must admit. LOL[/p][/quote]I prefere to watch Totton southy
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12:53pm Sat 13 Apr 13

magnette says...

With Portsmouth gone, Reading down and if Brighton stay in the Champ where are any football fans in the (very wide, indeed our local rivals are now Fulham!) area gonna want to go to watch the EPL. Now is the time to expand. And if top 6 is the aim then a club needs the revenue from over 40k supporters so a 50k stadium fits the bill. (luckily not my bill)
With Portsmouth gone, Reading down and if Brighton stay in the Champ where are any football fans in the (very wide, indeed our local rivals are now Fulham!) area gonna want to go to watch the EPL. Now is the time to expand. And if top 6 is the aim then a club needs the revenue from over 40k supporters so a 50k stadium fits the bill. (luckily not my bill) magnette
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1:27pm Sat 13 Apr 13

saintkenny says...

the point is if you do a small bit .then ad more later it costs more money .once its done the matches that do fill the stands you can get your money back .but the point is we can then raise the wage bill and lets say we can tempt better players with the higher wage bill .look back if we had channon keegan ball say the 83 84 side you could of got 35 40000 easy then .at the moment were held back because we cant compete with spurs newcastles sunderland .but after the expansion we will be able too .and keep young players to .the expansion needs to be done asap
the point is if you do a small bit .then ad more later it costs more money .once its done the matches that do fill the stands you can get your money back .but the point is we can then raise the wage bill and lets say we can tempt better players with the higher wage bill .look back if we had channon keegan ball say the 83 84 side you could of got 35 40000 easy then .at the moment were held back because we cant compete with spurs newcastles sunderland .but after the expansion we will be able too .and keep young players to .the expansion needs to be done asap saintkenny
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1:29pm Sat 13 Apr 13

St.Yorkie says...

Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have! St.Yorkie
  • Score: -1

2:00pm Sat 13 Apr 13

arthur dalyrimple says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
with respect ,the infrastructure at stoneham/fords site could draw people from far and wide , golden goose time.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]with respect ,the infrastructure at stoneham/fords site could draw people from far and wide , golden goose time. arthur dalyrimple
  • Score: 0

2:13pm Sat 13 Apr 13

saintkenny says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
you say that but saints have massive away support even in league one .so that does not support your thoery .ita a case of we have not had a 40.000 stadium .3000 to 4000 could be for visting fans .so it may not be far off the mark .if we can add another 1000 fans for visting teams .then think how much cash thats worth over 19 home games a lot of cash for the club to make and help with the wage bill
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]you say that but saints have massive away support even in league one .so that does not support your thoery .ita a case of we have not had a 40.000 stadium .3000 to 4000 could be for visting fans .so it may not be far off the mark .if we can add another 1000 fans for visting teams .then think how much cash thats worth over 19 home games a lot of cash for the club to make and help with the wage bill saintkenny
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Sat 13 Apr 13

Folkestone Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds.

Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv.
St Ret, have you seen the outside of the Nou Camp, I was there last year (only a stadium tour though), it is a complete eyesore and looks like it has been extended over the year's using very different building techniques and materials, the football on the other hand is nearly as good as us
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Given that we're owned by a family that specialises in large-scale construction projects I reckon we could do this without spending over the odds. Personally I'd be in favour of relocation. I don't like stadia that are all built up on one side but not the other. Have you seen Old Trafford? It's an absolute eyesore. I think we should sell the site and build a 50,000-seat version of the Nou Camp. But with a roof, obv.[/p][/quote]St Ret, have you seen the outside of the Nou Camp, I was there last year (only a stadium tour though), it is a complete eyesore and looks like it has been extended over the year's using very different building techniques and materials, the football on the other hand is nearly as good as us Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Sat 13 Apr 13

boilerman says...

saintsfanfairoak wrote:
Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port.

The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc.
So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad.

In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops...
Disagree, where the ground is now even though not ideal allows access from three sides of Southampton .
People can walk the last mile or so to the ground, if it was sited by the motorway access would be limited to car or park and ride.
Also have you ever been to the Ageas bowl for 20/20 cricket, traffic congestion is really bad and that is for only about 8000.
[quote][p][bold]saintsfanfairoak[/bold] wrote: Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port. The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc. So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad. In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops...[/p][/quote]Disagree, where the ground is now even though not ideal allows access from three sides of Southampton . People can walk the last mile or so to the ground, if it was sited by the motorway access would be limited to car or park and ride. Also have you ever been to the Ageas bowl for 20/20 cricket, traffic congestion is really bad and that is for only about 8000. boilerman
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Sat 13 Apr 13

03alpe01 says...

Not yet, let's wait until Saints are a stable Premier League side, that is possibly even pushing for Europe. One season in the Premier League doesn't warrant a stadium expansion I'm afraid. However, if Saints were to become a good, solid, stable Premier League side over a number of years, and would never have to worry about the threat of relegation then by all means increase the capacity, but until such time occurs, I don't reckon we need it just yet.
Not yet, let's wait until Saints are a stable Premier League side, that is possibly even pushing for Europe. One season in the Premier League doesn't warrant a stadium expansion I'm afraid. However, if Saints were to become a good, solid, stable Premier League side over a number of years, and would never have to worry about the threat of relegation then by all means increase the capacity, but until such time occurs, I don't reckon we need it just yet. 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

7:41pm Sat 13 Apr 13

warrens 76 says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
I am Saints through and through nevertheless i have to agree...

We are a biggish club on certain days but when justifying revenue even the low Lowe was right...

...season ticket holders are the bench mark ...before I give him any credit re expansion costs the ground should have been built at 42.000 to begin with...

Do you know Sunderland built the Stadium of Light for the same as our ground..their capacity is 46.000 ??? curious..

Retro fit is always times 3 or 4 I posted that weeks ago..

What we need to do is find a cost effective way of adding say 7/8000 seats and accepting that is that until regional demand is off the scale...

...at the moment we are in a catch 22 not big enough stadium to allow newbies to be converted and see their first games against glamour like many of us did as nippers back in the 60's and 70's ....

... equally until they are on board we are not big enough to justify a permanent 50.000 stadium.

Transport is a bit of a red herring ALL cities have transport issues on match days..United bring Manchester to a halt for hours.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]I am Saints through and through nevertheless i have to agree... We are a biggish club on certain days but when justifying revenue even the low Lowe was right... ...season ticket holders are the bench mark ...before I give him any credit re expansion costs the ground should have been built at 42.000 to begin with... Do you know Sunderland built the Stadium of Light for the same as our ground..their capacity is 46.000 ??? curious.. Retro fit is always times 3 or 4 I posted that weeks ago.. What we need to do is find a cost effective way of adding say 7/8000 seats and accepting that is that until regional demand is off the scale... ...at the moment we are in a catch 22 not big enough stadium to allow newbies to be converted and see their first games against glamour like many of us did as nippers back in the 60's and 70's .... ... equally until they are on board we are not big enough to justify a permanent 50.000 stadium. Transport is a bit of a red herring ALL cities have transport issues on match days..United bring Manchester to a halt for hours. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Sat 13 Apr 13

st1halo says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
We will never win the Premier League? Let's get real? Never champions of Europe?

Sorry Yorkie but you are way too negative for me.
I'm not the sort of person who "knows his place", I believe all things are possible, the only time something is beyond you is when you make it so. Thankfully, I think Nicola is the same.

STID
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]We will never win the Premier League? Let's get real? Never champions of Europe? Sorry Yorkie but you are way too negative for me. I'm not the sort of person who "knows his place", I believe all things are possible, the only time something is beyond you is when you make it so. Thankfully, I think Nicola is the same. STID st1halo
  • Score: 1

8:52pm Sat 13 Apr 13

loosehead says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system.

Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup.

Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it!
Foys what I'd love to see are retractable seats so we could have athletics in the summer months & if possible pitches that can be slid into place all depending on what sport was played as they had in the Japanese/S Korean World cup stadia.
Yes I would love to see a top class Premier Rugby Union team here as well .
I always look at the score on Saturday to see how the Saints are doing but I love most sports & would love to see this Stadia accommodate all sports( Athletics,Rugby & of course Football).
I think it would bring in a lot more re4venue than being just for football & maybe Concerts could be held there more often this would accommodate much of this city in the form of sport & entertainment.
Foyes before the Saints went into trouble wasn't there talk of expanding capacity under Lowe? didn't the Muslim Council? Mosque say they'd object to it?
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: I'll try and ignore this racist jibe and say a big 'yes'. We need a 40,000 capacity stadium (ideally with safe standing like in the Bundesliga) and investment in the city infrastructure to facilitate this: a new railway stop or a tram system. Come on people big this up for the City -- it might help secure our inclusion as an official venue in the 2015 Rugby world cup. Now that would please Loosehead - even if a Labour council helped deliver it![/p][/quote]Foys what I'd love to see are retractable seats so we could have athletics in the summer months & if possible pitches that can be slid into place all depending on what sport was played as they had in the Japanese/S Korean World cup stadia. Yes I would love to see a top class Premier Rugby Union team here as well . I always look at the score on Saturday to see how the Saints are doing but I love most sports & would love to see this Stadia accommodate all sports( Athletics,Rugby & of course Football). I think it would bring in a lot more re4venue than being just for football & maybe Concerts could be held there more often this would accommodate much of this city in the form of sport & entertainment. Foyes before the Saints went into trouble wasn't there talk of expanding capacity under Lowe? didn't the Muslim Council? Mosque say they'd object to it? loosehead
  • Score: 0

8:54pm Sat 13 Apr 13

loosehead says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.
I haven't seen that list but don't forget Old Trafford has dropped out of it?
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.[/p][/quote]I haven't seen that list but don't forget Old Trafford has dropped out of it? loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:20pm Sat 13 Apr 13

apm1954 says...

dont talk daft , 5000 maybe 18000 just plain stupid at this stage , lets grow by all means please dont put the club back in the mess we were in not so long ago .
dont talk daft , 5000 maybe 18000 just plain stupid at this stage , lets grow by all means please dont put the club back in the mess we were in not so long ago . apm1954
  • Score: 0

9:47pm Sat 13 Apr 13

Sir Ad E Noid says...

St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.
Good! I don't want a load of egg-chasers sitting in our seats and making them smell of waxed jackets, Pimms and racism.
Why not? I would love it, just love it.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: There was a list published recently of the 12 grounds that were likely to be used for the 2015 Rugby World Cup and St. Marys wasn't on it. Not a confirmed final list but it looks as if we miss out.[/p][/quote]Good! I don't want a load of egg-chasers sitting in our seats and making them smell of waxed jackets, Pimms and racism.[/p][/quote]Why not? I would love it, just love it. Sir Ad E Noid
  • Score: 0

10:25pm Sat 13 Apr 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

St Mary s central could be a very easy option , to add to expansion . Train line and capacity . This would benefit the whole city
St Mary s central could be a very easy option , to add to expansion . Train line and capacity . This would benefit the whole city SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Sat 13 Apr 13

Puddletown Saint says...

One tier above the Northam - put the away fans up there and have the now Lower Northam for our singing fans - 5000 seats - simples.
One tier above the Northam - put the away fans up there and have the now Lower Northam for our singing fans - 5000 seats - simples. Puddletown Saint
  • Score: 0

9:41am Sun 14 Apr 13

Rising_Son says...

saintkenny wrote:
St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
you say that but saints have massive away support even in league one .so that does not support your thoery .ita a case of we have not had a 40.000 stadium .3000 to 4000 could be for visting fans .so it may not be far off the mark .if we can add another 1000 fans for visting teams .then think how much cash thats worth over 19 home games a lot of cash for the club to make and help with the wage bill
It's alright being optimistic and believing that any increase in support will automatically bring cash to help with the wage bill, but if it costs 3,500 for each seat added and we charge 35 for each match, then it will take hundred matches, about five years, to pay it off. And that is assuming that all the new seats are filled every match.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]you say that but saints have massive away support even in league one .so that does not support your thoery .ita a case of we have not had a 40.000 stadium .3000 to 4000 could be for visting fans .so it may not be far off the mark .if we can add another 1000 fans for visting teams .then think how much cash thats worth over 19 home games a lot of cash for the club to make and help with the wage bill[/p][/quote]It's alright being optimistic and believing that any increase in support will automatically bring cash to help with the wage bill, but if it costs 3,500 for each seat added and we charge 35 for each match, then it will take hundred matches, about five years, to pay it off. And that is assuming that all the new seats are filled every match. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Sun 14 Apr 13

upwherewebelong says...

saintsfanfairoak wrote:
Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port.

The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc.
So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad.

In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops...
35,000 would be too small. I am in 2 minds about this suggestion. Part of me says no to expansion as I am not sure I want even more submarine fans (only surface now and again) or cherry pickers coming to games as based on my experience this year they don't know many if any of our current players and some can't even work out where they are sitting and more seriously I share concerns about filling the seats for the visits of the likes of Wigan or Stoke etc. Another part of me says why worry about what other fans do about being submarines or cherry pickers and clearly a bigger stadium is required to a) maximise revenue and b) maximise ability to watch the Saints.

Ultimately though anything to do with SMS should in my opinion be focused on moving away fans PERMANENTLY from behind the goal. I think they are too dominant there and we should not make away supporters so welcome. In my opinion they should be in the kingsland/chapel corner. So overall I come to the conclusion that this can only occur with expansion so lets be ambitious.
[quote][p][bold]saintsfanfairoak[/bold] wrote: Stadium should have been built by the airport,motorway network,good road system rail link and of course the air port. The original venue would have allowed for so much more,expansion ,parking etc. So I would like a new stadium built at stoneham and if you take the costs of new build,sale of st Marys and proposed seating expansion its not so bad. In reality we only need 35,000 capacity at tops...[/p][/quote]35,000 would be too small. I am in 2 minds about this suggestion. Part of me says no to expansion as I am not sure I want even more submarine fans (only surface now and again) or cherry pickers coming to games as based on my experience this year they don't know many if any of our current players and some can't even work out where they are sitting and more seriously I share concerns about filling the seats for the visits of the likes of Wigan or Stoke etc. Another part of me says why worry about what other fans do about being submarines or cherry pickers and clearly a bigger stadium is required to a) maximise revenue and b) maximise ability to watch the Saints. Ultimately though anything to do with SMS should in my opinion be focused on moving away fans PERMANENTLY from behind the goal. I think they are too dominant there and we should not make away supporters so welcome. In my opinion they should be in the kingsland/chapel corner. So overall I come to the conclusion that this can only occur with expansion so lets be ambitious. upwherewebelong
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4:26pm Sun 14 Apr 13

upwherewebelong says...

Just read the other posts and the "fans" that want us to know our place as a good "small" club frustrate and disappoint me. Why shouldn't we be ambitious and look up rather than always looking down and having a sense that we are essentially guests in the premier league. Especially you St Yorkie you seem to have a low opinion of SFC and I can't quite work out why. Why couldn't or shouldn't we be able to attract 40-50k fans. After all unless I am mistaken we took that many to Wembley for the JPT so that to me and I stress I am only giving my opinion suggests we can attract enough fans to build a 40-50k stadium. In my view we have to be sensible in how we do it though but if after a cost benefit analysis it is better to do expansion in one go but accept there may be empty seats for some games then lets do it and be proud of our club and not be negative.
Just read the other posts and the "fans" that want us to know our place as a good "small" club frustrate and disappoint me. Why shouldn't we be ambitious and look up rather than always looking down and having a sense that we are essentially guests in the premier league. Especially you St Yorkie you seem to have a low opinion of SFC and I can't quite work out why. Why couldn't or shouldn't we be able to attract 40-50k fans. After all unless I am mistaken we took that many to Wembley for the JPT so that to me and I stress I am only giving my opinion suggests we can attract enough fans to build a 40-50k stadium. In my view we have to be sensible in how we do it though but if after a cost benefit analysis it is better to do expansion in one go but accept there may be empty seats for some games then lets do it and be proud of our club and not be negative. upwherewebelong
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5:19pm Sun 14 Apr 13

Folkestone Saint says...

To the those saying keep it small, do you think Old Trafford or St James sell out every game well the answer is no, but they do have a stadium that can accomodate when the demand is there, I also feel that with a bigger stadium you will get more people turn up on the day if they can get a ticket, whereas at the moment the impression is every game is sold out so we loose out.
To the those saying keep it small, do you think Old Trafford or St James sell out every game well the answer is no, but they do have a stadium that can accomodate when the demand is there, I also feel that with a bigger stadium you will get more people turn up on the day if they can get a ticket, whereas at the moment the impression is every game is sold out so we loose out. Folkestone Saint
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5:20pm Sun 14 Apr 13

saintsfanfairoak says...

miltonarcher wrote:
Get established in the Prem, then have this debate.
I agree,
Job not done yet,but im happy that were not bottom.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: Get established in the Prem, then have this debate.[/p][/quote]I agree, Job not done yet,but im happy that were not bottom. saintsfanfairoak
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5:31pm Sun 14 Apr 13

saintsfanfairoak says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium.
Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League.
Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!!
I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away!
I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked.
Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have!
Totally agree,
Were not Man United or Chelsea,
are fan base and away supporters that go to home games is some where around 26,000 -33,000
We Have high numbers of followers all around the uk and the world,(but they go to few games)
so expansion would most likely be ,5000 more seats,ot much more.

A little point to leave you on.
a few years ago, and might be true now,Newcastle get more money from sales of shirts than Saints take through the gates.......
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Must be honest I don't think Southampton can ever provide 40,000 or 50,000 fans week in and out. We are not a glamourous club, we are not a football crazy City - and to be honest we have trouble filling a 32,000-stadium. Why the clamour for more revenue? Fans money is a mere drop in the ocean compared to the TV money. If the expansion meant the club were able to charge sensible prices for a game - say £20 for adults and £5/£10 for kids I would be 100% behind it. But we all know tickets will have to go up to £40-£50 per seat to cover the cost of the facilities, additional staff and policing - plus the squad of European players on our books to challenge for The Champions League. Honestly people on here want to get real - we will never win The Premier League - so we can never truly be The Champions of Europe!! I love my club - but I am realist and do not have (or want to have) visions of grandeur or get carried away! I will not make some stupid claim that if it goes ahead, or we win The Premiership, I will run through the streets of Pocklington naked. Come on chaps and chapesses - let's get real - the best we can hope for is sell out crowds week in and week out and limit the visiting fans as much as possible so more Southampton fans can get in - but I don't see a waiting list for season tickets at SMS - something big clubs seem to have![/p][/quote]Totally agree, Were not Man United or Chelsea, are fan base and away supporters that go to home games is some where around 26,000 -33,000 We Have high numbers of followers all around the uk and the world,(but they go to few games) so expansion would most likely be ,5000 more seats,ot much more. A little point to leave you on. a few years ago, and might be true now,Newcastle get more money from sales of shirts than Saints take through the gates....... saintsfanfairoak
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5:42pm Sun 14 Apr 13

upwherewebelong says...

SaintsfanFairoak - why so negative - I guess you just want us to remain a small club and never challenge the status quo. If everyone shared your view we may as well stop football now as you and others don't seem to want any change to who is successful.

Something I thought of is this

Extend capacity = financial outlay to start with BUT then leads to

1, Increased gate receipts
2. Increased merchandising and all other associated income
3 increased turnover and profits = better squad = more success on pitch - clearly you may disagree as to what you want from SFC but I want more than being satisfied with just staying up long term. Yes this season and possibly next lets just secure safety first then see what happens but your and Saintyorkies view does disappoint me
SaintsfanFairoak - why so negative - I guess you just want us to remain a small club and never challenge the status quo. If everyone shared your view we may as well stop football now as you and others don't seem to want any change to who is successful. Something I thought of is this Extend capacity = financial outlay to start with BUT then leads to 1, Increased gate receipts 2. Increased merchandising and all other associated income 3 increased turnover and profits = better squad = more success on pitch - clearly you may disagree as to what you want from SFC but I want more than being satisfied with just staying up long term. Yes this season and possibly next lets just secure safety first then see what happens but your and Saintyorkies view does disappoint me upwherewebelong
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10:12pm Sun 14 Apr 13

saintysaintsaint says...

Linesman wrote:
How many times has there been a sell-out at St Marys?

The visit of about five teams would ensure a sell-out crowd, but other than that there would always be empty seats, which begs the question, would an extra 20,000 seats be worth it for the visit of those five teams?
Sup? Jealous our potential expansion will hold more than your actual ground?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: How many times has there been a sell-out at St Marys? The visit of about five teams would ensure a sell-out crowd, but other than that there would always be empty seats, which begs the question, would an extra 20,000 seats be worth it for the visit of those five teams?[/p][/quote]Sup? Jealous our potential expansion will hold more than your actual ground? saintysaintsaint
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11:54pm Sun 14 Apr 13

Chriops says...

I'm not sure how many of you saw the Footballers Football show on Valentines day, but I found it enthralling. It was talking about financial fair play and how it would effect the game. It also explained how match day revenue was the best option for growth.

Nicola clearly has eyes on "European Football" and is extremely ambitious. I'm sure that Nicola has already run the numbers, and has already been looking at various different options regarding expansion/moving.

My personal belief is that it is only a matter of time before it happens. How big would the stadium need to be? If we achieve our goal of playing in European football, we'll be attracting far larger crowds. I see no reason why we couldn't (in our successful future) fill a fifty thousand seater stadium or maybe more, and previous studies have backed these sort of numbers.

The future is bright! The future is Red and White!!
I'm not sure how many of you saw the Footballers Football show on Valentines day, but I found it enthralling. It was talking about financial fair play and how it would effect the game. It also explained how match day revenue was the best option for growth. Nicola clearly has eyes on "European Football" and is extremely ambitious. I'm sure that Nicola has already run the numbers, and has already been looking at various different options regarding expansion/moving. My personal belief is that it is only a matter of time before it happens. How big would the stadium need to be? If we achieve our goal of playing in European football, we'll be attracting far larger crowds. I see no reason why we couldn't (in our successful future) fill a fifty thousand seater stadium or maybe more, and previous studies have backed these sort of numbers. The future is bright! The future is Red and White!! Chriops
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7:24pm Mon 15 Apr 13

FamilySaintsSupporter says...

Family says Yes ... Want more seats at St Mary's.
Family says Yes ... Want more seats at St Mary's. FamilySaintsSupporter
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3:23am Tue 16 Apr 13

GHamilton says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
To the those saying keep it small, do you think Old Trafford or St James sell out every game well the answer is no, but they do have a stadium that can accomodate when the demand is there, I also feel that with a bigger stadium you will get more people turn up on the day if they can get a ticket, whereas at the moment the impression is every game is sold out so we loose out.
You're spot on FS, there are more Saints fans than people think who live way outside Southampton and know it's likely they would nt get in to SMS, because its sold out.

Personally i would like to see Saints get a new location to build on....Stoneham maybe, with a 45,000 capacity, built along the lines of the 2018 World Cup Stadium in Kaliningrad....a smaller version of the Allianz Arena. Can see Cortese doing something like this; as i dont think he does Ikea flat pack.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: To the those saying keep it small, do you think Old Trafford or St James sell out every game well the answer is no, but they do have a stadium that can accomodate when the demand is there, I also feel that with a bigger stadium you will get more people turn up on the day if they can get a ticket, whereas at the moment the impression is every game is sold out so we loose out.[/p][/quote]You're spot on FS, there are more Saints fans than people think who live way outside Southampton and know it's likely they would nt get in to SMS, because its sold out. Personally i would like to see Saints get a new location to build on....Stoneham maybe, with a 45,000 capacity, built along the lines of the 2018 World Cup Stadium in Kaliningrad....a smaller version of the Allianz Arena. Can see Cortese doing something like this; as i dont think he does Ikea flat pack. GHamilton
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2:31pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

I always said they should have built it at Stoneham - ALL the transport links are there and good,sensible planning would have ensured that Matchdays would have had a minimal impact on the road network around it.
I always said they should have built it at Stoneham - ALL the transport links are there and good,sensible planning would have ensured that Matchdays would have had a minimal impact on the road network around it. Stroppy_gramps
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6:39pm Tue 16 Apr 13

redduke says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
I always said they should have built it at Stoneham - ALL the transport links are there and good,sensible planning would have ensured that Matchdays would have had a minimal impact on the road network around it.
Most 'out of town' grounds i've been to recently are a complete pain to get to/from. 40,000 fans descending on junction 5 would be a total nightmare. (and there's no pubs up there either).
St Mary's is in as good a position as we could have wished, we just need to improve the public transport links by utilising the railway line and getting the bus companies to provide extra dedicated buses after the games.
I think a modest 5,000 capacity extension of the Kingsland would suffice at present
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: I always said they should have built it at Stoneham - ALL the transport links are there and good,sensible planning would have ensured that Matchdays would have had a minimal impact on the road network around it.[/p][/quote]Most 'out of town' grounds i've been to recently are a complete pain to get to/from. 40,000 fans descending on junction 5 would be a total nightmare. (and there's no pubs up there either). St Mary's is in as good a position as we could have wished, we just need to improve the public transport links by utilising the railway line and getting the bus companies to provide extra dedicated buses after the games. I think a modest 5,000 capacity extension of the Kingsland would suffice at present redduke
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8:50pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Poole Tom says...

First of all we should establish ourselves as a Premier League Club before we consider expansion. However we should`nt put it off forever in case we get relegated because lets face it that can and does happen to everyone at some stage apart from the top four or five clubs. Personally I would like to see St Mary`s expanded rather than yet another move because as an earlier poster has already said it is our spiritual home, and I much prefer going to a stadiums in or near the city center rather than out of town venues like Colchester, Coventry and Stoke where there are virtually no pubs or chip shops etc! As to the size of the increase, I think another 10,000 should be sufficient for now and the immediate future. OK we would`nt fill it every week but nor do many others with larger capacity stadiums.
First of all we should establish ourselves as a Premier League Club before we consider expansion. However we should`nt put it off forever in case we get relegated because lets face it that can and does happen to everyone at some stage apart from the top four or five clubs. Personally I would like to see St Mary`s expanded rather than yet another move because as an earlier poster has already said it is our spiritual home, and I much prefer going to a stadiums in or near the city center rather than out of town venues like Colchester, Coventry and Stoke where there are virtually no pubs or chip shops etc! As to the size of the increase, I think another 10,000 should be sufficient for now and the immediate future. OK we would`nt fill it every week but nor do many others with larger capacity stadiums. Poole Tom
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3:12pm Wed 24 Apr 13

Afc bournemouth says...

You only sell out when the big teams are there pompey have got more fan base than you scummers
You only sell out when the big teams are there pompey have got more fan base than you scummers Afc bournemouth
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9:10am Thu 25 Apr 13

Poole Tom says...

For your information Afc bournemouth we`ve sold out for the last seven games of the season which includes games against QPR, WBA and Stoke which even you must agree are hardly big teams, unless of course you`re comparing them with your own club!!!
For your information Afc bournemouth we`ve sold out for the last seven games of the season which includes games against QPR, WBA and Stoke which even you must agree are hardly big teams, unless of course you`re comparing them with your own club!!! Poole Tom
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