Jay Rodriguez scores twice as Saints win their opening pre-season fixture

Daily Echo: Jay Rodriguez in action for Saints against Unió Esportiva Llagostera. Jay Rodriguez in action for Saints against Unió Esportiva Llagostera.

Jay Rodriguez scored twice as Saints kicked off their pre-season campaign with a 2-1 win over Unió Esportiva Llagostera, in Spain.

The match was the first of the summer for the club, and also saw the debuts of new signings Dejan Lovren and Victor Wanyama.

Rodriguez opened the scoring just before the half-hour mark at the Estadi Josep Pla i Arbonès, pouncing on a defensive mix-up to convert from close range.

The striker was the only player who featured in the opening 45 minutes to continue after the break.

He slotted in his second after 67 minutes, shortly after the Spanish side had equalised.

Saints first-half: K Davis, Chambers, Fonte, Turnbull, Fox, Cork, S Davis, Ward-Prowse, Puncheon, Rodriguez, Do Prado.

Saints second-half: Gazzaniga, Clyne, Stephens, Lovren, Shaw, Wanyama, Schneiderlin, Isgrove, Rodriguez, Lallana, Lambert.

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8:05pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Norwegian Saint says...

No Gastón?
Maybe gave him extra time off.
J-Rod must be careful, Billy scored all the per-season goals and never played again! Great to see him start and Wana nearly scored too.
No Boric? Hope he's ok.
Still, first win of many!
Saints forever!
No Gastón? Maybe gave him extra time off. J-Rod must be careful, Billy scored all the per-season goals and never played again! Great to see him start and Wana nearly scored too. No Boric? Hope he's ok. Still, first win of many! Saints forever! Norwegian Saint

8:07pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Confucious says...

Fox and Guly were great by all accounts.
Fox and Guly were great by all accounts. Confucious

8:16pm Wed 17 Jul 13

gazcar40 says...

Gaston and Yoshida still got time off due to the ConFederations Cup.
Gaston and Yoshida still got time off due to the ConFederations Cup. gazcar40

8:23pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

Happy with that...good starting run out for the lads.

...they are much better at this football lark than they are at golf! :O)
Happy with that...good starting run out for the lads. ...they are much better at this football lark than they are at golf! :O) Baddesley Bill

8:32pm Wed 17 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

gazcar40 wrote:
Gaston and Yoshida still got time off due to the ConFederations Cup.
yoshi was sat watching gaston due in by the end of the week
[quote][p][bold]gazcar40[/bold] wrote: Gaston and Yoshida still got time off due to the ConFederations Cup.[/p][/quote]yoshi was sat watching gaston due in by the end of the week saintkenny

8:44pm Wed 17 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please
Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please St.Yorkie

8:44pm Wed 17 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please
Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please St.Yorkie

8:57pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Sh!tOnLeighPark says...

How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS.

****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****
How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS. ****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!***** Sh!tOnLeighPark

9:00pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Sh!tOnLeighPark says...

Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea?
Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea? Sh!tOnLeighPark

9:02pm Wed 17 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS.

****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****
Is red army back?
Have to go back to Spain to finalise Banega deal!
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS. ****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****[/p][/quote]Is red army back? Have to go back to Spain to finalise Banega deal! St.Yorkie

9:06pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Fox and Guly were great by all accounts.
Especially in the second half.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Fox and Guly were great by all accounts.[/p][/quote]Especially in the second half. OSPREYSAINT

9:10pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Marek Saganowski scored for Legia Warsaw against The New Saints tonight.
Marek Saganowski scored for Legia Warsaw against The New Saints tonight. OSPREYSAINT

9:12pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea?
Do you really want to know? Well they drew 0 0 with Braintree.
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea?[/p][/quote]Do you really want to know? Well they drew 0 0 with Braintree. OSPREYSAINT

9:15pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please
They only conceded once!
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Still conceded from a set piece (corner) more work on defending set pieces please[/p][/quote]They only conceded once! OSPREYSAINT

9:17pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea?
Do you really want to know? Well they drew 0 0 with Braintree.
If you really really want to know they play Charlton at Nottarf, then Bournemouth and the big one, Rayo Vallecano. Then it is the massive opener against mighty Oxford, lots to look forward to.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: Where r the fish having their pre-season, Southend-on-sea?[/p][/quote]Do you really want to know? Well they drew 0 0 with Braintree.[/p][/quote]If you really really want to know they play Charlton at Nottarf, then Bournemouth and the big one, Rayo Vallecano. Then it is the massive opener against mighty Oxford, lots to look forward to. OSPREYSAINT

9:21pm Wed 17 Jul 13

slugger says...

Agree with the poster above (Leigh park something or other), things are getting better ......... Never seen him post before mind .
Agree with the poster above (Leigh park something or other), things are getting better ......... Never seen him post before mind . slugger

9:23pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Under 21's drew 0 0 with Sunderland Under 21's.
Under 21's drew 0 0 with Sunderland Under 21's. OSPREYSAINT

9:33pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

Interesting the way Poch set out the team in both halves...

bench and then first team?

slight mix of both?

the best bit about it of course is that there are only a couple of players there that I think shouldnt be. the vast majority are there on merit for me.

brilliant.
Interesting the way Poch set out the team in both halves... bench and then first team? slight mix of both? the best bit about it of course is that there are only a couple of players there that I think shouldnt be. the vast majority are there on merit for me. brilliant. Stroppy_gramps

9:37pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Stroppy_gramps says...

I still blame Guly though
I still blame Guly though Stroppy_gramps

9:49pm Wed 17 Jul 13

SodburySaint93 says...

Not entirely convinced as they are 3rd tier (league one standard)

we're meant to be premiership

A win is a win though, but look who was on the pitch when we conceded.

Sorry for the negativity, perhaps I was expecting too much for the first game
Not entirely convinced as they are 3rd tier (league one standard) we're meant to be premiership A win is a win though, but look who was on the pitch when we conceded. Sorry for the negativity, perhaps I was expecting too much for the first game SodburySaint93

9:52pm Wed 17 Jul 13

st1halo says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS.

****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****
This post gives me a woody!

One month today and our crusade begins!

COYR

STID

WTFILN
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS. ****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****[/p][/quote]This post gives me a woody! One month today and our crusade begins! COYR STID WTFILN st1halo

10:12pm Wed 17 Jul 13

SFCSaint says...

considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!!
considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!! SFCSaint

10:13pm Wed 17 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

great to get off to a winning start all we need now is another 40 wins and the pre-season and season will have been a great success!
great to get off to a winning start all we need now is another 40 wins and the pre-season and season will have been a great success! el caballo santos101

10:14pm Wed 17 Jul 13

SaintinCanada says...

A bit like playing against a small, insignificant pub-team like Portsmouth.

Still - a chance for a run-out
A bit like playing against a small, insignificant pub-team like Portsmouth. Still - a chance for a run-out SaintinCanada

10:16pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

SFCSaint wrote:
considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!!
It was a training match! The result is completely insignificant.
[quote][p][bold]SFCSaint[/bold] wrote: considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!![/p][/quote]It was a training match! The result is completely insignificant. Strasbourg Saint

10:18pm Wed 17 Jul 13

st1halo says...

SFCSaint wrote:
considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!!
Let the pessimism begin!

STID
[quote][p][bold]SFCSaint[/bold] wrote: considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!![/p][/quote]Let the pessimism begin! STID st1halo

10:37pm Wed 17 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

What is it the say down M27, slowly, slowly catch the Minke?
What is it the say down M27, slowly, slowly catch the Minke? OSPREYSAINT

10:59pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

SFCSaint wrote:
considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!!
In all honesty, I expected the skunts to do better a Braintree last evening...

...ain't life a biatch! :O)
[quote][p][bold]SFCSaint[/bold] wrote: considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!![/p][/quote]In all honesty, I expected the skunts to do better a Braintree last evening... ...ain't life a biatch! :O) Baddesley Bill

11:12pm Wed 17 Jul 13

Sh!tOnLeighPark says...

Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton.
WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......
Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton. WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO...... Sh!tOnLeighPark

11:29pm Wed 17 Jul 13

saintgibbo says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton.
WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......
That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Hampshire Party.
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton. WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......[/p][/quote]That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Hampshire Party. saintgibbo

11:49pm Wed 17 Jul 13

St. Case says...

SodburySaint93 wrote:
Not entirely convinced as they are 3rd tier (league one standard)

we're meant to be premiership

A win is a win though, but look who was on the pitch when we conceded.

Sorry for the negativity, perhaps I was expecting too much for the first game
It's just a pre season match, ffs!
It's to get the players back to match fitness, to try out players, formations and to get ready for the season. The results don't really matter, but of course a few wins feels better than losing.
[quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: Not entirely convinced as they are 3rd tier (league one standard) we're meant to be premiership A win is a win though, but look who was on the pitch when we conceded. Sorry for the negativity, perhaps I was expecting too much for the first game[/p][/quote]It's just a pre season match, ffs! It's to get the players back to match fitness, to try out players, formations and to get ready for the season. The results don't really matter, but of course a few wins feels better than losing. St. Case

12:05am Thu 18 Jul 13

FindAndDestroy says...

I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.
I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant. FindAndDestroy

6:04am Thu 18 Jul 13

IOAD says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.
I imagine the sponsors are even less impressed with the invisible logo. Sadly, everything about the shirt smacks of anonymity. Let's hope NC is looking to flatter to deceive, or else I can't imagine what his aim was.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.[/p][/quote]I imagine the sponsors are even less impressed with the invisible logo. Sadly, everything about the shirt smacks of anonymity. Let's hope NC is looking to flatter to deceive, or else I can't imagine what his aim was. IOAD

8:35am Thu 18 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Let's start another kit debate?
It's not Saintly - it doesn't have stripes!
At least when we wore stripes we had something that could be mistaken for Sunderland or Brentford or Exeter (any no doubt many more overseas) but it was the reaction it always gets - "Oh you're the Southampton fan!"
I don't wear anything solid red makes me look like a tomato!
Not saying I won't get a new shirt of some sort - I'm rather taken with the white with black trims polo shirt the squad are wearing in Spain!
Let's start another kit debate? It's not Saintly - it doesn't have stripes! At least when we wore stripes we had something that could be mistaken for Sunderland or Brentford or Exeter (any no doubt many more overseas) but it was the reaction it always gets - "Oh you're the Southampton fan!" I don't wear anything solid red makes me look like a tomato! Not saying I won't get a new shirt of some sort - I'm rather taken with the white with black trims polo shirt the squad are wearing in Spain! St.Yorkie

8:40am Thu 18 Jul 13

Costa Baz says...

Would have been good to win by more, but as others have said, it's mainly about fitness, formation and seeing who is pushing for a first team place.

Yes we conceded from a set piece, BUT we didn't concede from open play, and no matter how frustrated we get, at conceding from set pieces, those goals are in the minority over a season.

I hope we are still in the hunt for a top striker to convert possession into goals, on a more regular basis, which seemed to be our weakness towards the end of last season.
Would have been good to win by more, but as others have said, it's mainly about fitness, formation and seeing who is pushing for a first team place. Yes we conceded from a set piece, BUT we didn't concede from open play, and no matter how frustrated we get, at conceding from set pieces, those goals are in the minority over a season. I hope we are still in the hunt for a top striker to convert possession into goals, on a more regular basis, which seemed to be our weakness towards the end of last season. Costa Baz

9:16am Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued .... Alicesdad

9:20am Thu 18 Jul 13

Folkestone Saint says...

The neg's on here, it was the first "game" since last season, againt unknown oppo's and you would think we lost going by some of the comments on here.
The neg's on here, it was the first "game" since last season, againt unknown oppo's and you would think we lost going by some of the comments on here. Folkestone Saint

9:33am Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton.
WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......
Together as one! Whatever our situation and whatever way we follow (although those of us who know our place bow down before season ticket holders, of course), we are united by our passion for The Saints.

As for your log in name, what you're basically saying is 'DumpOnADump' :)
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton. WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......[/p][/quote]Together as one! Whatever our situation and whatever way we follow (although those of us who know our place bow down before season ticket holders, of course), we are united by our passion for The Saints. As for your log in name, what you're basically saying is 'DumpOnADump' :) Strasbourg Saint

9:40am Thu 18 Jul 13

Licky_Rambert says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
but Guly and Fox played ok right?
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]but Guly and Fox played ok right? Licky_Rambert

9:44am Thu 18 Jul 13

allsaintsnocurves says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS.

****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****
Saints are staying on tour longer this year because of all the work being done on the training ground facilities!
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: How come we r going to Spain twice...no doubt it's deliberate but still, why? Not moaning BTW as Our Great Football Club Southampton Football Club is making more than a little noise in the world of football and may all the so called big clubs (hahahaha big as in loud and we know what the loudest in the room is don't we....) tremble, quiver, wipe sweat from their foreheads and sh!t themselves because THE SAINTS ARE COMIIIING AND WE R GOING TO TR VERY TOP PLEASE BELIEVE AND PLEASE, A PLEA TO ALL NICOLA HATERS...WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST MESSIAH IN EARTHS HISTORY?? CRUCIFY THIS ONE AND HELL WILL HATH NO FURY!!! IM NOT RELIGIOUS IM BLOODY PASSIONATE SO APPLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED. I DON'T POST ON HERE OFTEN BUT LOVE THE SPIRIT ON HERE...WE ARE THE PRIDE OF THE SOUTH...TIME TO ANNOUNCE OURSELVES TO THE WORLD AND IT STARTS WITH US: THE SOUTHAMPTON SET THE LEGENDARY FANS THAT HAVE NEVER WILTED THE FANS THAT WILL ACT AS THE SAILS TO THE SHIP THAT WILL STEER US TO NEW LANDS NEW CONQUESTS AND TREASURES TO BE SHARED AMONGST ALL SAINTS. ****THIS SUNSHINE IS GREAT HEY?!!*****[/p][/quote]Saints are staying on tour longer this year because of all the work being done on the training ground facilities! allsaintsnocurves

9:46am Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.
The real problem is that when our lads are sweating blood, you won't notice it.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.[/p][/quote]The real problem is that when our lads are sweating blood, you won't notice it. OSPREYSAINT

10:04am Thu 18 Jul 13

St.Yorkie says...

Folkestone me old mucker - not being negative but observant!
We are particularly suspect at set pieces where the ball is lobbed/floated into the box. I think it is a reflection of our ability to convert from set pieces at the other end.
Nine time out of ten the opposition get something on target - a header or a shot from a nod down. We struggle to clear our lines which usually costs us dearly.
Until Boruc arrived I can't recall many of our keepers actually going for crosses at set pieces - and yet at most of our efforts goalies catch, punch or tip anything out of harms way. If not they usually get fouled and the opportunity lost.
Too long in the tooth to be negative about a pre-season friendly - but this good work out lark wears a bit thin.
What I want to know is what is our best starting eleven and get them playing from the start and tear the opposition apart. After a good 60-mins start swapping players around! I never understand how playing bench warmers for the first half achieves anything. If they come on they have a point to proove - and those who get a start have to demonstarate they deserved it.
Still what do I know about football?
Folkestone me old mucker - not being negative but observant! We are particularly suspect at set pieces where the ball is lobbed/floated into the box. I think it is a reflection of our ability to convert from set pieces at the other end. Nine time out of ten the opposition get something on target - a header or a shot from a nod down. We struggle to clear our lines which usually costs us dearly. Until Boruc arrived I can't recall many of our keepers actually going for crosses at set pieces - and yet at most of our efforts goalies catch, punch or tip anything out of harms way. If not they usually get fouled and the opportunity lost. Too long in the tooth to be negative about a pre-season friendly - but this good work out lark wears a bit thin. What I want to know is what is our best starting eleven and get them playing from the start and tear the opposition apart. After a good 60-mins start swapping players around! I never understand how playing bench warmers for the first half achieves anything. If they come on they have a point to proove - and those who get a start have to demonstarate they deserved it. Still what do I know about football? St.Yorkie

10:11am Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

So, I think we can work out where Alicesdad stands vis-à-vis the shirt; I wonder what Alicescat thinks? After all, having just signed, he's the one who'll have to wear it.
So, I think we can work out where Alicesdad stands vis-à-vis the shirt; I wonder what Alicescat thinks? After all, having just signed, he's the one who'll have to wear it. Strasbourg Saint

10:12am Thu 18 Jul 13

swesaint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Coca cola has changed the bottle several times over the years.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Coca cola has changed the bottle several times over the years. swesaint

10:25am Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Good point ! I didnt notice that Coca cola had changed its bottle. But thats the whole point - the changes were insignificant ... This proves my point even more emphatically. Basically most people associate coke with the weird bottle shape and more often with the COKE branding and the handwritten Coca Cola sign .. it may be modified but the core remains the same in the public perception.

As for Guly and Fox - what can I say .. they remain exceptional players in any kit, always producing a level of performance in line with our expectations.
Good point ! I didnt notice that Coca cola had changed its bottle. But thats the whole point - the changes were insignificant ... This proves my point even more emphatically. Basically most people associate coke with the weird bottle shape and more often with the COKE branding and the handwritten Coca Cola sign .. it may be modified but the core remains the same in the public perception. As for Guly and Fox - what can I say .. they remain exceptional players in any kit, always producing a level of performance in line with our expectations. Alicesdad

10:28am Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...
Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ... Alicesdad

10:44am Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...
In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they?

Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson.

Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...[/p][/quote]In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they? Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson. Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them. Strasbourg Saint

10:57am Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...
In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they?

Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson.

Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...[/p][/quote]In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they? Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson. Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.[/p][/quote]Agreed Alicesdad

10:59am Thu 18 Jul 13

legod7 says...

Confucious wrote:
Fox and Guly were great by all accounts.
Fox played in the first half. Guly was injured by all accounts
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Fox and Guly were great by all accounts.[/p][/quote]Fox played in the first half. Guly was injured by all accounts legod7

11:41am Thu 18 Jul 13

Saintsayer II says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...
In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they?

Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson.

Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.
I thought Dan had gone to B/mouth
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...[/p][/quote]In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they? Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson. Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.[/p][/quote]I thought Dan had gone to B/mouth Saintsayer II

11:53am Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...
In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they?

Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson.

Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.
I thought Dan had gone to B/mouth
So did I. Apparently not, I suppose he hadn't signed a contract.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Alicescat is a mercenary predator who wear the colours of those who pay most and feed him at least twice a day .... He would however prefer it to be available in a fleece fabric as it is warmer to sleep on.... I think Gaston has the same opinion ...[/p][/quote]In general, cats don't make for good team players, do they? Stick him in the reserves and teach him a lesson. Meanwhile, I see Dan Seaborne could be off to Yeovil. Good signing for them.[/p][/quote]I thought Dan had gone to B/mouth[/p][/quote]So did I. Apparently not, I suppose he hadn't signed a contract. Strasbourg Saint

12:08pm Thu 18 Jul 13

St Retford says...

The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't.

The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy.
The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't. The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy. St Retford

12:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over! Confucious

12:21pm Thu 18 Jul 13

J7junctionseven says...

Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date? J7junctionseven

12:22pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Dickosfc says...

St Retford wrote:
The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't.

The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy.
I think they have mate.I saw a 2-3yrs in the stadium store a coupe of weeks back. was gonna buy my for my little one then saw the price! Jeez!! £35 for my little one to grow out of in a matter of months
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't. The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy.[/p][/quote]I think they have mate.I saw a 2-3yrs in the stadium store a coupe of weeks back. was gonna buy my for my little one then saw the price! Jeez!! £35 for my little one to grow out of in a matter of months Dickosfc

12:35pm Thu 18 Jul 13

SO50 Saint says...

£35 for kids!! Well that gives me another reason why not to buy it for my son also the fact I think the shirt is awful is another. Poor lad will just have to put up with his red and white flybe top
£35 for kids!! Well that gives me another reason why not to buy it for my son also the fact I think the shirt is awful is another. Poor lad will just have to put up with his red and white flybe top SO50 Saint

12:56pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
I don't
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?[/p][/quote]I don't worried of n e hampshire

1:00pm Thu 18 Jul 13

SaintJD says...

FindAndDestroy wrote:
I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.
I think they look pretty good to be honest and, when viewed as a whole kit, the stripe element, though admittedly small, is probably more prominent than last years kit when you take into account the adidas stripe, sleeves and socks (horizontal though they may be).

As for the scoreline or defending from set pieces this is the first pre-season game - it is totally about match fitness, nothing else should be read into it.

Anyway, pre-season is completely and utterly unreliable in terms of league form.
[quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.[/p][/quote]I think they look pretty good to be honest and, when viewed as a whole kit, the stripe element, though admittedly small, is probably more prominent than last years kit when you take into account the adidas stripe, sleeves and socks (horizontal though they may be). As for the scoreline or defending from set pieces this is the first pre-season game - it is totally about match fitness, nothing else should be read into it. Anyway, pre-season is completely and utterly unreliable in terms of league form. SaintJD

1:02pm Thu 18 Jul 13

J7junctionseven says...

worried of n e hampshire wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
I don't
Neither do I
[quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?[/p][/quote]I don't[/p][/quote]Neither do I J7junctionseven

1:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
worried of n e hampshire wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
I don't
Neither do I
why don't the club let us know?
what do you reckon, 10k +?
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?[/p][/quote]I don't[/p][/quote]Neither do I[/p][/quote]why don't the club let us know? what do you reckon, 10k +? worried of n e hampshire

1:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Beer Monster says...

Sat at my desk in Edinburgh, wearing my red and white striped shirt from the season that we moved to St. Mary's, as it's much lighter than my England top...

Will our ladies get through to the quarter finals tonight?
Sat at my desk in Edinburgh, wearing my red and white striped shirt from the season that we moved to St. Mary's, as it's much lighter than my England top... Will our ladies get through to the quarter finals tonight? Beer Monster

1:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
I think what really happened is that SFC played silly bu99ers negotiating and so at the end Adidas just suggested they go find another kit supplier... which of course they could not at that late stage.... If I was the marketing director of aap I would be getting my legal eagles to get some money back for the abysmal branding. There is no way they would have agreed to that logo... Next season's kit will be a proper effort, a besoke desgin from a list of the professional club templates rather than the embarrassment that is our kit this season. Also they will sell so few that a 3rd kit is bound to come out by christmas and that will be a kit that has had time to be designed properly.... I saw the kit in the flesh yesterday for the first time and its just a sh1t arsenal shirt....
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]I think what really happened is that SFC played silly bu99ers negotiating and so at the end Adidas just suggested they go find another kit supplier... which of course they could not at that late stage.... If I was the marketing director of aap I would be getting my legal eagles to get some money back for the abysmal branding. There is no way they would have agreed to that logo... Next season's kit will be a proper effort, a besoke desgin from a list of the professional club templates rather than the embarrassment that is our kit this season. Also they will sell so few that a 3rd kit is bound to come out by christmas and that will be a kit that has had time to be designed properly.... I saw the kit in the flesh yesterday for the first time and its just a sh1t arsenal shirt.... business-guru

1:26pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mack chinnon says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Not forgetting it.s given the fishy ones plenty of ammo.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Not forgetting it.s given the fishy ones plenty of ammo. mack chinnon

1:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

if a third kit comes out maybe that will be stripes?
if a third kit comes out maybe that will be stripes? worried of n e hampshire

1:30pm Thu 18 Jul 13

milton road says...

Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.'
Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt.

Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.
Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.' Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt. Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun. milton road

1:38pm Thu 18 Jul 13

hedge end bob says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Let's start another kit debate?
It's not Saintly - it doesn't have stripes!
At least when we wore stripes we had something that could be mistaken for Sunderland or Brentford or Exeter (any no doubt many more overseas) but it was the reaction it always gets - "Oh you're the Southampton fan!"
I don't wear anything solid red makes me look like a tomato!
Not saying I won't get a new shirt of some sort - I'm rather taken with the white with black trims polo shirt the squad are wearing in Spain!
If you are talking about shirts, this year i bought the bland one and customized it with STRIPES. If you care to cast an eye over it ??, i will b sat in my season ticket seat in ITCHEN NORTH, BLOCK 4 ,ROW N SEAT 97. Proud as punch!!. Cost roughly 40 quid so i will buy 10 raffle tickets 1st home game and any winnings will go back into the club.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Let's start another kit debate? It's not Saintly - it doesn't have stripes! At least when we wore stripes we had something that could be mistaken for Sunderland or Brentford or Exeter (any no doubt many more overseas) but it was the reaction it always gets - "Oh you're the Southampton fan!" I don't wear anything solid red makes me look like a tomato! Not saying I won't get a new shirt of some sort - I'm rather taken with the white with black trims polo shirt the squad are wearing in Spain![/p][/quote]If you are talking about shirts, this year i bought the bland one and customized it with STRIPES. If you care to cast an eye over it ??, i will b sat in my season ticket seat in ITCHEN NORTH, BLOCK 4 ,ROW N SEAT 97. Proud as punch!!. Cost roughly 40 quid so i will buy 10 raffle tickets 1st home game and any winnings will go back into the club. hedge end bob

1:42pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
worried of n e hampshire wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
I don't
Neither do I
10,000 at the shed and they're wetting themselves about it!
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?[/p][/quote]I don't[/p][/quote]Neither do I[/p][/quote]10,000 at the shed and they're wetting themselves about it! Strasbourg Saint

1:47pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

milton road wrote:
Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.'
Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt.

Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.
Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.' Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt. Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.[/p][/quote]Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak. Strasbourg Saint

1:53pm Thu 18 Jul 13

St Retford says...

Dickosfc wrote:
St Retford wrote:
The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't.

The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy.
I think they have mate.I saw a 2-3yrs in the stadium store a coupe of weeks back. was gonna buy my for my little one then saw the price! Jeez!! £35 for my little one to grow out of in a matter of months
Really? Awesome. £35 is quite steep but you do get shorts and socks bunged in. There's something kind of amazing about decking tiny kids out in a full on Saints strip.

(Weirdly, though, if you see an adult wearing a full replica kit you just think "mentalist".)
[quote][p][bold]Dickosfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: The trouble with the new kit is that they haven't released the toddler sizes yet. My son is three next week and I'd like to be able to buy him a kit but I can't. The worst thing is that I've got one and he hasn't, meaning I can't stop myself from continually pointing out to him that I'm a proper fan and he's not. It seems unfair on the boy.[/p][/quote]I think they have mate.I saw a 2-3yrs in the stadium store a coupe of weeks back. was gonna buy my for my little one then saw the price! Jeez!! £35 for my little one to grow out of in a matter of months[/p][/quote]Really? Awesome. £35 is quite steep but you do get shorts and socks bunged in. There's something kind of amazing about decking tiny kids out in a full on Saints strip. (Weirdly, though, if you see an adult wearing a full replica kit you just think "mentalist".) St Retford

1:54pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Folkestone Saint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
milton road wrote:
Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.'
Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt.

Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.
Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak.
But will he want more "wonga" than we will offer
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.' Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt. Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.[/p][/quote]Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak.[/p][/quote]But will he want more "wonga" than we will offer Folkestone Saint

1:59pm Thu 18 Jul 13

SO50 Saint says...

I can't see Pardew wanting to sell him to us though but maybe Joe Kinnear might like to sell him to us
I can't see Pardew wanting to sell him to us though but maybe Joe Kinnear might like to sell him to us SO50 Saint

2:02pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
worried of n e hampshire wrote:
J7junctionseven wrote:
Off Topic.
Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?
I don't
Neither do I
10,000 at the shed and they're wetting themselves about it!
how many at our place?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]worried of n e hampshire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: Off Topic. Does anyone know how many season tickets have sold to date?[/p][/quote]I don't[/p][/quote]Neither do I[/p][/quote]10,000 at the shed and they're wetting themselves about it![/p][/quote]how many at our place? worried of n e hampshire

2:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
milton road wrote:
Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.'
Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt.

Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.
Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak.
But will he want more "wonga" than we will offer
Yes, probably, but if there's not enough money in the pot, we could just borrow it from some loan shark or other.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Sort of game where the manager says 'go out run the cobwebs off, relax and enjoy. Work yourself in slowly.' Everyone is going to be a bit below par at the moment, working themselves back in. Game like this is to just start getting the feel back stretching out muscles and getting the first game under your belt. Need a striker and we are linked to yet another today according to the Sun.[/p][/quote]Really? Which one is it today? I did here a little rumour that we are showing interest in Cisse now that his Newcastle days have hit the Wagga, so to speak.[/p][/quote]But will he want more "wonga" than we will offer[/p][/quote]Yes, probably, but if there's not enough money in the pot, we could just borrow it from some loan shark or other. Strasbourg Saint

2:06pm Thu 18 Jul 13

F Fan says...

Sh!tOnLeighPark wrote:
Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton.
WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......
"Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away .... came back last year-glory hunter I am not though."

People are of courses free to stick with a club in hard times or not - entirely their business - but in what way, exactly, is that not glory hunting behaviour?
[quote][p][bold]Sh!tOnLeighPark[/bold] wrote: Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away, supporting the club I love in the shadows....came back last year-glory hunter I am not though. I have followed these pages ever since the excruciating days of administration and the wonderful ones that followed after the takeover. Rarely posting but always observing. Conficious, red army, styorkie, tirau dan, Strasbourg saint, ospreysaint and the other disciples I haven't mentioned define the Spirit of Southampton. WE LOVE SOUTHAMPTON WE DO......[/p][/quote]"Season ticket holder from 94-04, could t handle watching my club crumble and sadly walked away .... came back last year-glory hunter I am not though." People are of courses free to stick with a club in hard times or not - entirely their business - but in what way, exactly, is that not glory hunting behaviour? F Fan

2:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!! Alicesdad

2:26pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

OK Confucious ..it's the cat here .... I admit I can use his log in but I didnt do it today .. I dont like the shirts though as it makes me look like I have bandages on all four legs and I keep getting taken off because they think Im injured.

I would also point out that I would never sh*t in a hole that I hadn't dug myself. but I take issue about @rse licking.... it's the feline way .. if its good enough for lions and tigers then I'm in good company.

Now tell me more about the fishy pong... Im getting peckish and it a couple of hours before the big fella will be reaching for the Felix ..
OK Confucious ..it's the cat here .... I admit I can use his log in but I didnt do it today .. I dont like the shirts though as it makes me look like I have bandages on all four legs and I keep getting taken off because they think Im injured. I would also point out that I would never sh*t in a hole that I hadn't dug myself. but I take issue about @rse licking.... it's the feline way .. if its good enough for lions and tigers then I'm in good company. Now tell me more about the fishy pong... Im getting peckish and it a couple of hours before the big fella will be reaching for the Felix .. Alicesdad

2:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

TEBOURBA says...

Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then! TEBOURBA

2:40pm Thu 18 Jul 13

StevieSteve says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else! StevieSteve

2:47pm Thu 18 Jul 13

milton road says...

Sorry got paper wrong Daily Star.
Gonzalo Bergessio mentioned 28 years old.
Looks like between a goal every 3-4 games during his career on av. Scored 20 goals in 66 appearances for Catania.
Argentinian.

Probably another worthless rumour but you never know. Is he what we are looking for?

With the top strikers we were said to be looking at not wanting to come it seems because we cannot offer European football, we are going to have to set our sights lower it seems.

Probably just linked to saints because he and MP are argentinian lol.
Sorry got paper wrong Daily Star. Gonzalo Bergessio mentioned 28 years old. Looks like between a goal every 3-4 games during his career on av. Scored 20 goals in 66 appearances for Catania. Argentinian. Probably another worthless rumour but you never know. Is he what we are looking for? With the top strikers we were said to be looking at not wanting to come it seems because we cannot offer European football, we are going to have to set our sights lower it seems. Probably just linked to saints because he and MP are argentinian lol. milton road

2:47pm Thu 18 Jul 13

swesaint says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
Not sure about that considering they lost 0-1 to some pub team
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then![/p][/quote]Not sure about that considering they lost 0-1 to some pub team swesaint

2:54pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
sorry but your a pompey fan and its not were is it because your not in the premier league you have to pretend you support saints shame 4 u in your own deluded fans words .it is a smaller club but only the first match the levels will be raised in each game the club plays well before the premier league starts its still early days yet .At the moment its about fitness and sharpness its was very hot over 130 so a good work out ,WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON NOT 4TH DIVISION PORTSMOUTH THATS YOUR TEAM
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then![/p][/quote]sorry but your a pompey fan and its not were is it because your not in the premier league you have to pretend you support saints shame 4 u in your own deluded fans words .it is a smaller club but only the first match the levels will be raised in each game the club plays well before the premier league starts its still early days yet .At the moment its about fitness and sharpness its was very hot over 130 so a good work out ,WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON NOT 4TH DIVISION PORTSMOUTH THATS YOUR TEAM saintkenny

2:54pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
Man United might have other pre-season things to worry about.

http://mancunianmatt
ers.co.uk/content/15
0711558-bangkok-blue
s-manchester-united-
david-moyes-loses-fi
rst-game-charge-pre-
season-tour

Singa All Stars, eh? Top Thai team?

'The Singha All Star XI were made up of a group of players selected from different clubs in the Thai Premier League - Thailand's primary football league. The squad also included non-Thai born players who ply their trade in the country.

Oh well, one up from Braintree, I guess.
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then![/p][/quote]Man United might have other pre-season things to worry about. http://mancunianmatt ers.co.uk/content/15 0711558-bangkok-blue s-manchester-united- david-moyes-loses-fi rst-game-charge-pre- season-tour Singa All Stars, eh? Top Thai team? 'The Singha All Star XI were made up of a group of players selected from different clubs in the Thai Premier League - Thailand's primary football league. The squad also included non-Thai born players who ply their trade in the country. Oh well, one up from Braintree, I guess. Strasbourg Saint

3:03pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Point taken Steviesteve. I am being a bore, but the shirt is truly dreadful..... and I'm not shutting up....

Why should it make more money because its an old design? They can knock these designs up in the blink of an eye and knock the shirts out even quicker.

I am the first to praise Cortese when its justified and Im sure he will make us a global brand .. but he hasn't been clever with these shirts. There is a great reliance on the core fan base buying the shirt no matter what it looks like. If it was a good design it would sell out over and over... this short will sell to the blind faithful and as usual be the prezzy of choice for countless children at Christmas or birthdays.

It will however end up in those books of "worst ever shirt designs" ... you know Im right ...
Point taken Steviesteve. I am being a bore, but the shirt is truly dreadful..... and I'm not shutting up.... Why should it make more money because its an old design? They can knock these designs up in the blink of an eye and knock the shirts out even quicker. I am the first to praise Cortese when its justified and Im sure he will make us a global brand .. but he hasn't been clever with these shirts. There is a great reliance on the core fan base buying the shirt no matter what it looks like. If it was a good design it would sell out over and over... this short will sell to the blind faithful and as usual be the prezzy of choice for countless children at Christmas or birthdays. It will however end up in those books of "worst ever shirt designs" ... you know Im right ... Alicesdad

3:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-) business-guru

3:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mack chinnon says...

saintkenny wrote:
TEBOURBA wrote:
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
sorry but your a pompey fan and its not were is it because your not in the premier league you have to pretend you support saints shame 4 u in your own deluded fans words .it is a smaller club but only the first match the levels will be raised in each game the club plays well before the premier league starts its still early days yet .At the moment its about fitness and sharpness its was very hot over 130 so a good work out ,WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON NOT 4TH DIVISION PORTSMOUTH THATS YOUR TEAM
Peter Storrie. Southampton legend.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then![/p][/quote]sorry but your a pompey fan and its not were is it because your not in the premier league you have to pretend you support saints shame 4 u in your own deluded fans words .it is a smaller club but only the first match the levels will be raised in each game the club plays well before the premier league starts its still early days yet .At the moment its about fitness and sharpness its was very hot over 130 so a good work out ,WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON NOT 4TH DIVISION PORTSMOUTH THATS YOUR TEAM[/p][/quote]Peter Storrie. Southampton legend. mack chinnon

3:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mack chinnon says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Point taken Steviesteve. I am being a bore, but the shirt is truly dreadful..... and I'm not shutting up....

Why should it make more money because its an old design? They can knock these designs up in the blink of an eye and knock the shirts out even quicker.

I am the first to praise Cortese when its justified and Im sure he will make us a global brand .. but he hasn't been clever with these shirts. There is a great reliance on the core fan base buying the shirt no matter what it looks like. If it was a good design it would sell out over and over... this short will sell to the blind faithful and as usual be the prezzy of choice for countless children at Christmas or birthdays.

It will however end up in those books of "worst ever shirt designs" ... you know Im right ...
Im going Swiss this year.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Point taken Steviesteve. I am being a bore, but the shirt is truly dreadful..... and I'm not shutting up.... Why should it make more money because its an old design? They can knock these designs up in the blink of an eye and knock the shirts out even quicker. I am the first to praise Cortese when its justified and Im sure he will make us a global brand .. but he hasn't been clever with these shirts. There is a great reliance on the core fan base buying the shirt no matter what it looks like. If it was a good design it would sell out over and over... this short will sell to the blind faithful and as usual be the prezzy of choice for countless children at Christmas or birthdays. It will however end up in those books of "worst ever shirt designs" ... you know Im right ...[/p][/quote]Im going Swiss this year. mack chinnon

3:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy.

Moving on .......
Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy. Moving on ....... Strasbourg Saint

3:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Rising_Son says...

business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Well, that's it I suppose, another financial and tactical disaster. It's obviously going to be far too difficult for us to get out of League 1 this year too.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Well, that's it I suppose, another financial and tactical disaster. It's obviously going to be far too difficult for us to get out of League 1 this year too. Rising_Son

3:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them. OSPREYSAINT

3:36pm Thu 18 Jul 13

FindAndDestroy says...

IOAD wrote:
FindAndDestroy wrote:
I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.
I imagine the sponsors are even less impressed with the invisible logo. Sadly, everything about the shirt smacks of anonymity. Let's hope NC is looking to flatter to deceive, or else I can't imagine what his aim was.
you are absolutely right, printing gold on red, it's just beyond me, what a poor design that is, both sponsors and team logo are barely visible, and those arms are just annoying,first i tried to hold my disappointment thinking maybe the kits will look better on the pitch,but they don't,i was hoping for something unique and classy, not happy with it to be honest..
[quote][p][bold]IOAD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FindAndDestroy[/bold] wrote: I am not very impressed with our new kits, they look very ordinary on the field, i wish they had a better design, last season's were more elegant.[/p][/quote]I imagine the sponsors are even less impressed with the invisible logo. Sadly, everything about the shirt smacks of anonymity. Let's hope NC is looking to flatter to deceive, or else I can't imagine what his aim was.[/p][/quote]you are absolutely right, printing gold on red, it's just beyond me, what a poor design that is, both sponsors and team logo are barely visible, and those arms are just annoying,first i tried to hold my disappointment thinking maybe the kits will look better on the pitch,but they don't,i was hoping for something unique and classy, not happy with it to be honest.. FindAndDestroy

3:37pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

TEBOURBA wrote:
Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side.
2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then!
If you were paying attention, as a real Saints supporter would, you would know that the Ground that the match was played at was not the home ground of the team we played, theirs is an artificial surface so Saints asked to play at a different venue!
[quote][p][bold]TEBOURBA[/bold] wrote: Seems from the look of the stadium Saints were playing the equivalent of a Hampshire League side. 2-1 not much to worry ManU and write home about then![/p][/quote]If you were paying attention, as a real Saints supporter would, you would know that the Ground that the match was played at was not the home ground of the team we played, theirs is an artificial surface so Saints asked to play at a different venue! OSPREYSAINT

3:39pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Alicesdad says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy.

Moving on .......
OK!! .. I don't want to start a riot !
Message received and understood .. rant over.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy. Moving on .......[/p][/quote]OK!! .. I don't want to start a riot ! Message received and understood .. rant over. Alicesdad

3:53pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy.

Moving on .......
That's good Strassie - as far as this new kit goes you are a non-conformist. However, I must note that, since you don't positively love the new kit, your non-conformism is rather tainted.

If there's anything us nonconformists find more annoying than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity.

Or is it just this fukcing hot weather?
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Enough about the shirt already. I really don't care. If this one proves unpopular, maybe it'll spark a rethink 11 months from now and next year's (red and white) shirt will become a number one best seller; then we'll all be happy. Moving on .......[/p][/quote]That's good Strassie - as far as this new kit goes you are a non-conformist. However, I must note that, since you don't positively love the new kit, your non-conformism is rather tainted. If there's anything us nonconformists find more annoying than a conformist, it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standard of nonconformity. Or is it just this fukcing hot weather? Confucious

3:58pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

I can be an echo reporter!

Southampton are reportedly closing in on Evian Thonon Gaillard striker Saber Khelifa as part of a double transfer swoop on Ligue 1.

According to reports in France, Southampton are preparing a £4 million offer for Khelifa.

Ligue 1 side Montpellier were believed to be on the verge of sealing a part-exchange deal of £2m plus forward Gaetan Charbonnie for the player.

Evian are expected to favour the Premier League side's bid, however.

Khelifa, a Tunisian international scored 13 goals in 25 league appearances for Evian last season.

He also made the headlines for scoring a goal from his own half against Nice in a French league game last year.

Southampton are also understood to be close to sealing a deal for another Ligue 1 player, Sochaux winger Ryad Boudebouz.

The Algerian international is valued in the region of £3m, with Sochaux understood to keen on cashing in on the player as his contract expires at the end of next season.
I can be an echo reporter! Southampton are reportedly closing in on Evian Thonon Gaillard striker Saber Khelifa as part of a double transfer swoop on Ligue 1. According to reports in France, Southampton are preparing a £4 million offer for Khelifa. Ligue 1 side Montpellier were believed to be on the verge of sealing a part-exchange deal of £2m plus forward Gaetan Charbonnie for the player. Evian are expected to favour the Premier League side's bid, however. Khelifa, a Tunisian international scored 13 goals in 25 league appearances for Evian last season. He also made the headlines for scoring a goal from his own half against Nice in a French league game last year. Southampton are also understood to be close to sealing a deal for another Ligue 1 player, Sochaux winger Ryad Boudebouz. The Algerian international is valued in the region of £3m, with Sochaux understood to keen on cashing in on the player as his contract expires at the end of next season. worried of n e hampshire

3:59pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Mister E says...

All a bit ambiguous on here.
Anyone gonna come off that fence and say what they really think of the new shirt?
All a bit ambiguous on here. Anyone gonna come off that fence and say what they really think of the new shirt? Mister E

4:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

I said from the start the new kit will probably "grow on me" the more I see it, it hasn't happened yet as I have only seen about ten examples on fans and a bit of footage with the players, still not convinced it is any good, but I am not ruling out a change of mind.
I said from the start the new kit will probably "grow on me" the more I see it, it hasn't happened yet as I have only seen about ten examples on fans and a bit of footage with the players, still not convinced it is any good, but I am not ruling out a change of mind. OSPREYSAINT

4:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

milton road says...

Its too much like M Utd's 1984 kit.
its obviously something that got pulled out the bag quickly with little thought and less design.
I know a lot of this is about creating a new image and a new Southampton but something at least a little traditional, with some individuality and not looking like one of M Utd or Arsenal's left over rags.
There you did say don't sit on the fence.
Its too much like M Utd's 1984 kit. its obviously something that got pulled out the bag quickly with little thought and less design. I know a lot of this is about creating a new image and a new Southampton but something at least a little traditional, with some individuality and not looking like one of M Utd or Arsenal's left over rags. There you did say don't sit on the fence. milton road

4:36pm Thu 18 Jul 13

St Retford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support. St Retford

4:45pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious. business-guru

4:50pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
I said from the start the new kit will probably "grow on me" the more I see it, it hasn't happened yet as I have only seen about ten examples on fans and a bit of footage with the players, still not convinced it is any good, but I am not ruling out a change of mind.
The majority of sales of any kit are Juniors.....Kid are getting more fussy....None of the kids at our local club have one yet ( another first ) and parents are all muttering the same line....Still at the end of the day, its just a footy kit, Its saints kit and as long as it makes them stand out from the oppo that will do, it won't matter to the players how dire it is.... in fact the majority of the the time they wear training kit and that is pretty good stuff...
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: I said from the start the new kit will probably "grow on me" the more I see it, it hasn't happened yet as I have only seen about ten examples on fans and a bit of footage with the players, still not convinced it is any good, but I am not ruling out a change of mind.[/p][/quote]The majority of sales of any kit are Juniors.....Kid are getting more fussy....None of the kids at our local club have one yet ( another first ) and parents are all muttering the same line....Still at the end of the day, its just a footy kit, Its saints kit and as long as it makes them stand out from the oppo that will do, it won't matter to the players how dire it is.... in fact the majority of the the time they wear training kit and that is pretty good stuff... business-guru

4:51pm Thu 18 Jul 13

St Retford says...

It's sold a fraction of last year's because it's only been on sale for three weeks. I remember exactly the same shitstorm kicking off this time last year and you know what? People got over it.

They will do again.
It's sold a fraction of last year's because it's only been on sale for three weeks. I remember exactly the same shitstorm kicking off this time last year and you know what? People got over it. They will do again. St Retford

5:00pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

milton road wrote:
Its too much like M Utd's 1984 kit.
its obviously something that got pulled out the bag quickly with little thought and less design.
I know a lot of this is about creating a new image and a new Southampton but something at least a little traditional, with some individuality and not looking like one of M Utd or Arsenal's left over rags.
There you did say don't sit on the fence.
You are right, it does have the look of a last minute compromise, but there were rumours of a different Sponsor at one time, if this was the issue it may well be that this was cobbled up using stock material, I hope there wasn't too much waste if they had started producing a different design! Those Asian sweat shops can only do so much.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Its too much like M Utd's 1984 kit. its obviously something that got pulled out the bag quickly with little thought and less design. I know a lot of this is about creating a new image and a new Southampton but something at least a little traditional, with some individuality and not looking like one of M Utd or Arsenal's left over rags. There you did say don't sit on the fence.[/p][/quote]You are right, it does have the look of a last minute compromise, but there were rumours of a different Sponsor at one time, if this was the issue it may well be that this was cobbled up using stock material, I hope there wasn't too much waste if they had started producing a different design! Those Asian sweat shops can only do so much. OSPREYSAINT

5:04pm Thu 18 Jul 13

F Fan says...

business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please? F Fan

5:18pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

This constant criticism of the shirt must be costing the Club millions in lost sales nad also must be putting people right off of buying a Season ticket. Is this really the way to support your Club, being negative about every little nuance, that isn't my idea of being an honest supporter.
This constant criticism of the shirt must be costing the Club millions in lost sales nad also must be putting people right off of buying a Season ticket. Is this really the way to support your Club, being negative about every little nuance, that isn't my idea of being an honest supporter. OSPREYSAINT

5:27pm Thu 18 Jul 13

worried of n e hampshire says...

F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
about the same at season tickets sold
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?[/p][/quote]about the same at season tickets sold worried of n e hampshire

5:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

st1halo says...

F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
If we have sold as few shirts as BG has posted facts we are in deep doo doo!

STID
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?[/p][/quote]If we have sold as few shirts as BG has posted facts we are in deep doo doo! STID st1halo

5:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Business Guru my arse !
Business Guru my arse ! slugger

6:00pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Norwegian Saint says...

Sort of yesterday's news but those that might be interested....
Forren played for Molde last night but lost 1-0.
Sort of yesterday's news but those that might be interested.... Forren played for Molde last night but lost 1-0. Norwegian Saint

6:09pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Sort of yesterday's news but those that might be interested....
Forren played for Molde last night but lost 1-0.
Not only yesterdays news, I posted it last night, it is also incorrect, Molde won 1 - 0 Forren was booked but played 90 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Sort of yesterday's news but those that might be interested.... Forren played for Molde last night but lost 1-0.[/p][/quote]Not only yesterdays news, I posted it last night, it is also incorrect, Molde won 1 - 0 Forren was booked but played 90 minutes. OSPREYSAINT

6:19pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world. Confucious

6:36pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

slugger wrote:
Business Guru my arse !
What business exactly is your @rse in Slugger?

I don't bother to watch The Apprentice, but I definitely will if your @rse gets on it.

Don't get me wrong, my interest in blokes @rses is normally zero, but it would be interesting to see all the contestants sat round that table with Alan Sugar - with your @rse as one of the group. (Presumably, you would face the other way, then bend over the back of a chair and position your bare @rse at the same height of all the others' heads.

I see no reason why your @rse shouldn't progress quite well, so long as you keep some control over it. I can see Sugar pulling one of those grimaces and saying "You're fired!" if he asks a tricky question about return on investment and cash flow and your @rse just does a big f@rt.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Business Guru my arse ![/p][/quote]What business exactly is your @rse in Slugger? I don't bother to watch The Apprentice, but I definitely will if your @rse gets on it. Don't get me wrong, my interest in blokes @rses is normally zero, but it would be interesting to see all the contestants sat round that table with Alan Sugar - with your @rse as one of the group. (Presumably, you would face the other way, then bend over the back of a chair and position your bare @rse at the same height of all the others' heads. I see no reason why your @rse shouldn't progress quite well, so long as you keep some control over it. I can see Sugar pulling one of those grimaces and saying "You're fired!" if he asks a tricky question about return on investment and cash flow and your @rse just does a big f@rt. Confucious

6:44pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Stnana says...

Confucious wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.
No it's the stripes that matter , and what we all want to know is who gave the green light for this kit to be produced, not Mrs Wilson surely ? Could have been a whole lot worse of course, they could have gone for a complete change of colour and chosen blue !
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.[/p][/quote]No it's the stripes that matter , and what we all want to know is who gave the green light for this kit to be produced, not Mrs Wilson surely ? Could have been a whole lot worse of course, they could have gone for a complete change of colour and chosen blue ! Stnana

7:01pm Thu 18 Jul 13

FindAndDestroy says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
SFCSaint wrote:
considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!!
It was a training match! The result is completely insignificant.
furthermore, we don't want them to give too much just yet, giving too much may result in injuries, and we really don't want that to happen to our best players, do we? we better take it easy, lets just call these games warm up games whatever the results, and not to pick on anyone, the season is long...
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SFCSaint[/bold] wrote: considering theyre 3rd division i was expecting us to win by at least 4/5 goals!![/p][/quote]It was a training match! The result is completely insignificant.[/p][/quote]furthermore, we don't want them to give too much just yet, giving too much may result in injuries, and we really don't want that to happen to our best players, do we? we better take it easy, lets just call these games warm up games whatever the results, and not to pick on anyone, the season is long... FindAndDestroy

7:09pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Confucious wrote:
slugger wrote:
Business Guru my arse !
What business exactly is your @rse in Slugger?

I don't bother to watch The Apprentice, but I definitely will if your @rse gets on it.

Don't get me wrong, my interest in blokes @rses is normally zero, but it would be interesting to see all the contestants sat round that table with Alan Sugar - with your @rse as one of the group. (Presumably, you would face the other way, then bend over the back of a chair and position your bare @rse at the same height of all the others' heads.

I see no reason why your @rse shouldn't progress quite well, so long as you keep some control over it. I can see Sugar pulling one of those grimaces and saying "You're fired!" if he asks a tricky question about return on investment and cash flow and your @rse just does a big f@rt.
My arse is very very selective , it doesn't tolerate fools at all ........ Alan Sugar here I come !
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: Business Guru my arse ![/p][/quote]What business exactly is your @rse in Slugger? I don't bother to watch The Apprentice, but I definitely will if your @rse gets on it. Don't get me wrong, my interest in blokes @rses is normally zero, but it would be interesting to see all the contestants sat round that table with Alan Sugar - with your @rse as one of the group. (Presumably, you would face the other way, then bend over the back of a chair and position your bare @rse at the same height of all the others' heads. I see no reason why your @rse shouldn't progress quite well, so long as you keep some control over it. I can see Sugar pulling one of those grimaces and saying "You're fired!" if he asks a tricky question about return on investment and cash flow and your @rse just does a big f@rt.[/p][/quote]My arse is very very selective , it doesn't tolerate fools at all ........ Alan Sugar here I come ! slugger

8:10pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

St Retford wrote:
It's sold a fraction of last year's because it's only been on sale for three weeks. I remember exactly the same shitstorm kicking off this time last year and you know what? People got over it.

They will do again.
10% discount to STHs kicks in in August...

...I think quite a few will get over it then.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: It's sold a fraction of last year's because it's only been on sale for three weeks. I remember exactly the same shitstorm kicking off this time last year and you know what? People got over it. They will do again.[/p][/quote]10% discount to STHs kicks in in August... ...I think quite a few will get over it then. Baddesley Bill

8:20pm Thu 18 Jul 13

mickey01 says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
the thing to do is not but the bloody thing and wear the old red and white stripes to all the games but you will still get some heart ruling head muppets who will line these peoples pockets
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]the thing to do is not but the bloody thing and wear the old red and white stripes to all the games but you will still get some heart ruling head muppets who will line these peoples pockets mickey01

8:29pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Mister E says...

Confucious wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.
But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.[/p][/quote]But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent! Mister E

8:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Shut up about the shirt FFS! , If you don't like it , don't buy it .... How hard can it be ?
Shut up about the shirt FFS! , If you don't like it , don't buy it .... How hard can it be ? slugger

8:33pm Thu 18 Jul 13

dadofmy3sons says...

I don't like the shirt but that is nothing new.
There have been several shirts over the years that I haven't liked.
I still support the Saints!
I hope the 3rd shirt is yellow still.
I don't like the shirt but that is nothing new. There have been several shirts over the years that I haven't liked. I still support the Saints! I hope the 3rd shirt is yellow still. dadofmy3sons

8:35pm Thu 18 Jul 13

hedge end bob says...

StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT.
Does that make me boring???
Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!!
[quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT. Does that make me boring??? Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!! hedge end bob

8:42pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

hedge end bob wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT.
Does that make me boring???
Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!!
You've made your opinion very clear Bob (lots of times) .... Let it go mate .
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT. Does that make me boring??? Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!![/p][/quote]You've made your opinion very clear Bob (lots of times) .... Let it go mate . slugger

8:44pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

hedge end bob wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT.
Does that make me boring???
Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!!
Alright, alright. Keep your shirt on.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]I will enjoy y football like everyone eles, but in a BLOODY STRIPED SHIRT. Does that make me boring??? Everyone has the right too an opion on this site, if you dont agree with it .....be polite!![/p][/quote]Alright, alright. Keep your shirt on. Confucious

8:46pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

Please note that owing to huge demand Confucious.com has now sold out of all the "I love the new Saints shirt" car stickers.
Please note that owing to huge demand Confucious.com has now sold out of all the "I love the new Saints shirt" car stickers. Confucious

8:49pm Thu 18 Jul 13

hedge end bob says...

Mister E wrote:
Confucious wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.
But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent!
LOYAL BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE NEW SHIRT, sory mate but that statement is cr@p first class.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.[/p][/quote]But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent![/p][/quote]LOYAL BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE NEW SHIRT, sory mate but that statement is cr@p first class. hedge end bob

8:50pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Confucious says...

Confucious wrote:
Please note that owing to huge demand Confucious.com has now sold out of all the "I love the new Saints shirt" car stickers.
A small stock of old striped shirts is still available together with a range of flared trousers and platform shoes.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Please note that owing to huge demand Confucious.com has now sold out of all the "I love the new Saints shirt" car stickers.[/p][/quote]A small stock of old striped shirts is still available together with a range of flared trousers and platform shoes. Confucious

8:59pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?[/p][/quote]Do you know what the word "fraction" means ? business-guru

9:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

Have I done a `life on mars` here and gone back in time?
why is everyone going on about the shirt again? its been done to death! I know some don't like it, that's your opinion and your absolutely welcome to it. personally I don't mind the shirt and yes I have brought one, does that make me a muppet? no it doesn't, I decided to pay my money for a shirt that I wanted, my choice and I am equally entitled to it.
say what you like about the shirt but does come with `climacool` (whatever that is) so it is a bit `cool`

that said can we leave the shirt now? we all know what most of us think about it and I don't know about everyone else but I`m fed up with hearing about it.
Have I done a `life on mars` here and gone back in time? why is everyone going on about the shirt again? its been done to death! I know some don't like it, that's your opinion and your absolutely welcome to it. personally I don't mind the shirt and yes I have brought one, does that make me a muppet? no it doesn't, I decided to pay my money for a shirt that I wanted, my choice and I am equally entitled to it. say what you like about the shirt but does come with `climacool` (whatever that is) so it is a bit `cool` that said can we leave the shirt now? we all know what most of us think about it and I don't know about everyone else but I`m fed up with hearing about it. el caballo santos101

9:07pm Thu 18 Jul 13

bluewhiteandred says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Mister E wrote:
Confucious wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.
But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent!
LOYAL BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE NEW SHIRT, sory mate but that statement is cr@p first class.
So Tradition out of the window for the sake of marketing for big profit for a shirt that may have a Manufacturing low cost price , while the stripes would of made a less of a profit margin as probably would cost more to produce so What's next ! The Saints crest change !.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]Exactly. The club will have known when it gave the green light to the new kit it would herald a financial purple patch. Of course some will have seen red and hailed it as a black day, but their blues will soon fade. Meanwhile us loyal fans will get browned off reading their stuff. They don't see to realise colours don't matter that much in this world.[/p][/quote]But, they would have sold out by now if the shirt was half decent![/p][/quote]LOYAL BECAUSE YOU LIKE THE NEW SHIRT, sory mate but that statement is cr@p first class.[/p][/quote]So Tradition out of the window for the sake of marketing for big profit for a shirt that may have a Manufacturing low cost price , while the stripes would of made a less of a profit margin as probably would cost more to produce so What's next ! The Saints crest change !. bluewhiteandred

9:14pm Thu 18 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

actually I must have done a `life on mars` because our very own `guru` on all things is playing semantics with words again.
actually I must have done a `life on mars` because our very own `guru` on all things is playing semantics with words again. el caballo santos101

9:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim? Santa Retfordia

9:22pm Thu 18 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

bluewhitetill dead, lots of traditions finish, in fact most do. badger baiting,c0ck fighting, whale hunting and more recently fox hunting are all traditions that have ended. then you should really know about the ending of traditions, there was a long tradition in this country that football teams paid their tax, another tradition was you don't steal from charities and your club ended both of those!
bluewhitetill dead, lots of traditions finish, in fact most do. badger baiting,c0ck fighting, whale hunting and more recently fox hunting are all traditions that have ended. then you should really know about the ending of traditions, there was a long tradition in this country that football teams paid their tax, another tradition was you don't steal from charities and your club ended both of those! el caballo santos101

9:29pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

I see the lads have been walking on fire as part of their team building today...

...this time next year...they will be walking on water! COYR
I see the lads have been walking on fire as part of their team building today... ...this time next year...they will be walking on water! COYR Baddesley Bill

9:49pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Advice from a Pompey fan is just what we could do with, "how to kill your club in 3 seasons" ...... I think not Bluewhiteanddead.
Advice from a Pompey fan is just what we could do with, "how to kill your club in 3 seasons" ...... I think not Bluewhiteanddead. slugger

9:51pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Whenever I have a complex ethical issue to address, I like to turn to Frierich Nietzsche's 'Thoughts on the Prejudices of Morality'. I don't think he was writing specifically about our new kit, but the following passage should be of interest to anyone involved in the debate:

"If an action is performed not because tradition commands it but for other motives (because of its usefulness to the individual, for example) even indeed for precisely the motives which once founded the tradition, it is called immoral for it was not performed in obedience to the tradition. What is tradition? A higher authority which one obeys not because it commands what is useful to us but because it simply commands. What distinguishes this feeling in the presence of tradition from the feeling of fear in general? It is fear in the presence of a higher intellect which here commands, of an incomprehensible, indefinite power, of something more than personal - there is superstition in this fear."

So there you have it; if you're still banging on about the shirt it's because you're superstitious. Makes you think, doesn't it?
Whenever I have a complex ethical issue to address, I like to turn to Frierich Nietzsche's 'Thoughts on the Prejudices of Morality'. I don't think he was writing specifically about our new kit, but the following passage should be of interest to anyone involved in the debate: "If an action is performed not because tradition commands it but for other motives (because of its usefulness to the individual, for example) even indeed for precisely the motives which once founded the tradition, it is called immoral for it was not performed in obedience to the tradition. What is tradition? A higher authority which one obeys not because it commands what is useful to us but because it simply commands. What distinguishes this feeling in the presence of tradition from the feeling of fear in general? It is fear in the presence of a higher intellect which here commands, of an incomprehensible, indefinite power, of something more than personal - there is superstition in this fear." So there you have it; if you're still banging on about the shirt it's because you're superstitious. Makes you think, doesn't it? Santa Retfordia

9:55pm Thu 18 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
could it be that the adult shirt would cost £41.67p before VAT and therefore still more expensive than the kids kit? or is it that you get socks and shorts thrown in with the kids kit.
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]could it be that the adult shirt would cost £41.67p before VAT and therefore still more expensive than the kids kit? or is it that you get socks and shorts thrown in with the kids kit. el caballo santos101

9:59pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ! slugger

10:00pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0) business-guru

10:04pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
I suggest you buy none of the above and stop banging on about it ! ..... how simple is that ?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]I suggest you buy none of the above and stop banging on about it ! ..... how simple is that ? slugger

10:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ? business-guru

10:05pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.
wordpress.com/2012/0
8/24/full-kit-****
s/
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/ Santa Retfordia

10:08pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
*yawn*
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]*yawn* Baddesley Bill

10:08pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

I've been censored! The last word in that link is a slightly rude word that rhymes with 'bankers'.
I've been censored! The last word in that link is a slightly rude word that rhymes with 'bankers'. Santa Retfordia

10:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this . slugger

10:15pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully. business-guru

10:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most
whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most saintkenny

10:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.

wordpress.com/2012/0

8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever.... business-guru

10:22pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ! slugger

10:24pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

saintkenny wrote:
whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most
I actually saw last years shirt next to this years shirt today at a charity auction.... Last seasons already looks like a classic compared to the new one.... The phone-in on talk sport the other day seemed to have a common theme regarding all adidas kits.... most fans don't like them ( apart from some of the lower league clubs ). I will still buy a training shirt so I can have the saint badge on when I barbeque later this summer...And I can't see much of a debate about that kit so the chat will soon revert back to more "now" topics.... like will Gaston be on his way, has VW actually been bought to play centre half, will we sign a winger, Will Guly be given special shorts with more padding around the buttocks ?
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most[/p][/quote]I actually saw last years shirt next to this years shirt today at a charity auction.... Last seasons already looks like a classic compared to the new one.... The phone-in on talk sport the other day seemed to have a common theme regarding all adidas kits.... most fans don't like them ( apart from some of the lower league clubs ). I will still buy a training shirt so I can have the saint badge on when I barbeque later this summer...And I can't see much of a debate about that kit so the chat will soon revert back to more "now" topics.... like will Gaston be on his way, has VW actually been bought to play centre half, will we sign a winger, Will Guly be given special shorts with more padding around the buttocks ? business-guru

10:27pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows saintkenny

10:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

You don't fool me "mate".
You don't fool me "mate". slugger

10:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
no you are full of sh1t because what I said is in type , for anyone to see in this thread... just read up and its there... I said "is being able to" and that is different to "is" ,,, it means "is free to" , ie to choose. If you can not unpick that English then that's not my problem. English is my first language so thats the one I use...
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]no you are full of sh1t because what I said is in type , for anyone to see in this thread... just read up and its there... I said "is being able to" and that is different to "is" ,,, it means "is free to" , ie to choose. If you can not unpick that English then that's not my problem. English is my first language so thats the one I use... business-guru

10:31pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt . slugger

10:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

business-guru wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most
I actually saw last years shirt next to this years shirt today at a charity auction.... Last seasons already looks like a classic compared to the new one.... The phone-in on talk sport the other day seemed to have a common theme regarding all adidas kits.... most fans don't like them ( apart from some of the lower league clubs ). I will still buy a training shirt so I can have the saint badge on when I barbeque later this summer...And I can't see much of a debate about that kit so the chat will soon revert back to more "now" topics.... like will Gaston be on his way, has VW actually been bought to play centre half, will we sign a winger, Will Guly be given special shorts with more padding around the buttocks ?
yes like you said last season by march we will have 16 points nigel is tango head .its a close shave between you and 5trophys who has the mind of a 5 year old .like the comments above display so predictable
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: whats the point of the shirt debate its only like last seasons just the red a bit darker.if its not red in white stripes it makes no difference to me just like last season really .once the season kicks in it will just get accepted after a few games.at the end of the day it a huge deal with addidas and you will always get new shirts every season with the premier league anyway so it only has a years life span the most[/p][/quote]I actually saw last years shirt next to this years shirt today at a charity auction.... Last seasons already looks like a classic compared to the new one.... The phone-in on talk sport the other day seemed to have a common theme regarding all adidas kits.... most fans don't like them ( apart from some of the lower league clubs ). I will still buy a training shirt so I can have the saint badge on when I barbeque later this summer...And I can't see much of a debate about that kit so the chat will soon revert back to more "now" topics.... like will Gaston be on his way, has VW actually been bought to play centre half, will we sign a winger, Will Guly be given special shorts with more padding around the buttocks ?[/p][/quote]yes like you said last season by march we will have 16 points nigel is tango head .its a close shave between you and 5trophys who has the mind of a 5 year old .like the comments above display so predictable saintkenny

10:34pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
no you are full of sh1t because what I said is in type , for anyone to see in this thread... just read up and its there... I said "is being able to" and that is different to "is" ,,, it means "is free to" , ie to choose. If you can not unpick that English then that's not my problem. English is my first language so thats the one I use...
what a pong .
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]no you are full of sh1t because what I said is in type , for anyone to see in this thread... just read up and its there... I said "is being able to" and that is different to "is" ,,, it means "is free to" , ie to choose. If you can not unpick that English then that's not my problem. English is my first language so thats the one I use...[/p][/quote]what a pong . slugger

10:36pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
It's almost as if they want to be us.

tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves.
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]It's almost as if they want to be us. tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves. Baddesley Bill

10:43pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours. business-guru

10:43pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
It's almost as if they want to be us.

tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves.
Its got be the frustration of us being in the top league look back to when were in league one we just had bha fans coming on capt haddock ect .only when we got to the top of the championship and moving above them they started coming on here then whitlines who may well also be more glory kent141 and pompeyphil who is ptid .This for me just tells you the story they have both remained on the threads since with various logins but with the quotes you always know its them
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]It's almost as if they want to be us. tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves.[/p][/quote]Its got be the frustration of us being in the top league look back to when were in league one we just had bha fans coming on capt haddock ect .only when we got to the top of the championship and moving above them they started coming on here then whitlines who may well also be more glory kent141 and pompeyphil who is ptid .This for me just tells you the story they have both remained on the threads since with various logins but with the quotes you always know its them saintkenny

10:48pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.

wordpress.com/2012/0

8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!! business-guru

10:49pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
no but a pompey who has used various logins on the threads over the last 3 years so not much credibility there a bit like pompey who could not get a buyer for love or money the fans were enforced to buy the club or it would of folded without and assets or any value
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]no but a pompey who has used various logins on the threads over the last 3 years so not much credibility there a bit like pompey who could not get a buyer for love or money the fans were enforced to buy the club or it would of folded without and assets or any value saintkenny

10:49pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ! slugger

10:53pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
its hardly difficult same quotes different name !!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ![/p][/quote]its hardly difficult same quotes different name !!!!!!! saintkenny

10:56pm Thu 18 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.


wordpress.com/2012/0


8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
Must be time for a new sign on, something pithy about stripes would be appropriate! Night all.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!![/p][/quote]Must be time for a new sign on, something pithy about stripes would be appropriate! Night all. OSPREYSAINT

10:57pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

saintkenny wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
It's almost as if they want to be us.

tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves.
Its got be the frustration of us being in the top league look back to when were in league one we just had bha fans coming on capt haddock ect .only when we got to the top of the championship and moving above them they started coming on here then whitlines who may well also be more glory kent141 and pompeyphil who is ptid .This for me just tells you the story they have both remained on the threads since with various logins but with the quotes you always know its them
The simple fact is that his posts eventually become repetitive and ultimately very familiar to the wums gone by.

...I wonder what his next login will be?
[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]It's almost as if they want to be us. tbh...I can't blame them for wanting to better themselves.[/p][/quote]Its got be the frustration of us being in the top league look back to when were in league one we just had bha fans coming on capt haddock ect .only when we got to the top of the championship and moving above them they started coming on here then whitlines who may well also be more glory kent141 and pompeyphil who is ptid .This for me just tells you the story they have both remained on the threads since with various logins but with the quotes you always know its them[/p][/quote]The simple fact is that his posts eventually become repetitive and ultimately very familiar to the wums gone by. ...I wonder what his next login will be? Baddesley Bill

11:01pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ![/p][/quote]I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid. business-guru

11:01pm Thu 18 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.


wordpress.com/2012/0


8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru` el caballo santos101

11:03pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Crafty skates ....... always be on your guard .
Crafty skates ....... always be on your guard . slugger

11:06pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.
I look stupid ?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ![/p][/quote]I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.[/p][/quote]I look stupid ? slugger

11:07pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.



wordpress.com/2012/0



8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea. Santa Retfordia

11:09pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Mister E says...

The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent.
But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip.
What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not.
Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts.
That IS marketing and creating a brand!
With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt.
But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one!
That just wouldn't be Saintly!
The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent. But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip. What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not. Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts. That IS marketing and creating a brand! With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt. But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one! That just wouldn't be Saintly! Mister E

11:11pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.


wordpress.com/2012/0


8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!![/p][/quote]I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all. Santa Retfordia

11:12pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.



wordpress.com/2012/0



8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction. business-guru

11:14pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.
Turn up for a beer at the Station before a match...Slugger will look stupid and we will all buy you a beer. What an opportunity!

It's as simple as that...

....but you won't turn up.....again.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ![/p][/quote]I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.[/p][/quote]Turn up for a beer at the Station before a match...Slugger will look stupid and we will all buy you a beer. What an opportunity! It's as simple as that... ....but you won't turn up.....again. Baddesley Bill

11:16pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Mister E says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.




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8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea.
Does it follow then that you're not English?
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea.[/p][/quote]Does it follow then that you're not English? Mister E

11:17pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

Don't fall for it , he knows less than I do #backtrackinglikeago
odun.
Don't fall for it , he knows less than I do #backtrackinglikeago odun. slugger

11:19pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.



wordpress.com/2012/0



8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.
I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"...
[quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!![/p][/quote]I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.[/p][/quote]I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"... business-guru

11:20pm Thu 18 Jul 13

saintkenny says...

Mister E wrote:
The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent.
But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip.
What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not.
Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts.
That IS marketing and creating a brand!
With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt.
But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one!
That just wouldn't be Saintly!
thats the thing the adults will not really accept the shirt overall because its not red in white stripes the sales may drop at first because of that but after a couple of home games they will accept and start buying the shirts the sales are about the same as last season and this time next year there will be another kit as part of the deal with addidas a new kit every season as the club and addidas make money in the terms of the contract exactly the same as chelsea
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent. But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip. What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not. Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts. That IS marketing and creating a brand! With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt. But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one! That just wouldn't be Saintly![/p][/quote]thats the thing the adults will not really accept the shirt overall because its not red in white stripes the sales may drop at first because of that but after a couple of home games they will accept and start buying the shirts the sales are about the same as last season and this time next year there will be another kit as part of the deal with addidas a new kit every season as the club and addidas make money in the terms of the contract exactly the same as chelsea saintkenny

11:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.




wordpress.com/2012/0




8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.
I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"...
When was it ? .... google ?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!![/p][/quote]I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.[/p][/quote]I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"...[/p][/quote]When was it ? .... google ? slugger

11:23pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
saintkenny wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life !
getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?
Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .
no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.
You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree !
this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows
Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .
of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.
I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey !
I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.
Turn up for a beer at the Station before a match...Slugger will look stupid and we will all buy you a beer. What an opportunity!

It's as simple as that...

....but you won't turn up.....again.
again ?
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: I'm so bored with the shirt debate .... when we take the Prem by storm and then change it again , the same old posters will be saying "what a digrace" etc ...... geta life ![/p][/quote]getting a life is being able to support the Saints in an umbro shirt and waiting for a decent Adidas one to come along... meanwhile those who love the Arsenal one can buy it and wear and I doubt any Saints fan with any manners would say "hey mate , that looks sh1t". Football supporters are much more refined. It will all blow over but there has been a lag between most people actually seeing one of the shirts and the launch because there are not that many around. Anyway , the training kit is ace so people can still buy kit with 3 stripes on it... just not one with tatty gold transfers on it ... oh sorry have I just bored you again ?[/p][/quote]Wrong ...... Supporting ones team has absolutely nothing to do with a shirt .....If you were a Saint you'd know this .[/p][/quote]no I am correct. I used the words "is being able to" , not "is". You need to re-read with a sharper look at the semantics. I agree with you, its nothing to do with a shirt... I have said as much if you read carefully.[/p][/quote]You are so full of sh1t ..... you said nothing of the sort ! ...... fair play for effort though , Play up Baintree ![/p][/quote]this guy what ever he calls himself moreglory kent141 its always the same rubbish another skunt trying to make hes a saints fan as there premier league years are over its a bit of a silly name again this time knows nothing about business either like the football knowledge he shows[/p][/quote]Spot on ..... never answers a queston , typical jealous skunt .[/p][/quote]of course I must be... because a happy clapper says so... I have been a Saints fan longer than you and if you want me to change the subject then being as you are not in the know and I am not not in the know then someone you think does not exist has told a Saints fan who you think is not a Saints fan that Gaston ramirez has instructed his management company to find a rental in Italy.... Of course this must be completely made up because NC has not just knocked your front door and personally spoken to you on the matter. And being as this is not an independent newspaper forum , oh hang on a minute... oh yes it is.......if it does not fit the brain-dead view of supporting the team then it MUST be burnt at the stake for being a Pompey supporter. Loads of my associates are pompey fans , loads more are saints. None of them take part in the pathetic school yard stuff tho...you don't need to get all worked up just because you mis-read a post and dozed off at school when you should have been studying grammar. The "must be a skate" stuff is poor.... its obvious from my posts over the weeks that I may dislike the new shirt and I may have not wanted to sign VW but that does not make a poster "not a saints fan". just someone with a different opinion than yours.[/p][/quote]I don't believe a single word you post , does that make me dumb ? you question my education .... I'm bright enough to see straight through you matey ![/p][/quote]I know how this cr@p is supposed to play out... you have made an idiot of yourself by mis-reading a post, now you and a couple of slack-jaws and your brother gang together and taunt me with the "skate" nonsense. most people on here are not stupid... Even some of the posters I banter with are not going to fall for this. Just grow up, realise you mis-read and act your age. You know full well I am genuine There are loads of my posts that show that. I may get on your nerves but you know full well I am Saints. And so do most others on here.... I will be at at least 6 home games this coming season at least 4 of those in a seat 12 rows up.... when I post on here about any one of those games, it would be perfectly clear I was there, or do you think pompey fans pay to watch the saints ? I was there when benali scored and when Paul Mariner had his boot nicked by some nipper from the West Stand... I got married wearing a SFC tie... and you can spout as much cr@p as you like about who I support... you will just look stupid.[/p][/quote]Turn up for a beer at the Station before a match...Slugger will look stupid and we will all buy you a beer. What an opportunity! It's as simple as that... ....but you won't turn up.....again.[/p][/quote]again ? business-guru

11:26pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Santa Retfordia says...

Mister E wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.





wordpress.com/2012/0





8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea.
Does it follow then that you're not English?
I suppose it must do. It's a bit of a shock, to be honest. I hope I'm from somewhere really sh1t so I can reignite my dream of playing for my national side. I could totes get in the Scotland team, for example.
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]Point of order: for the record, I don't drink tea.[/p][/quote]Does it follow then that you're not English?[/p][/quote]I suppose it must do. It's a bit of a shock, to be honest. I hope I'm from somewhere really sh1t so I can reignite my dream of playing for my national side. I could totes get in the Scotland team, for example. Santa Retfordia

11:28pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.





wordpress.com/2012/0





8/24/full-kit-****
s/
you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!!
I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.
I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"...
When was it ? .... google ?
1991. 6-2. but I know they played in Orange, and i still have the shirt.... If you were there you would remember that game... If you were not there then someone on here is bound to remember it.... if you need a litmus test then that is it. You can't google the shirt colour that day....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]you had better distance yourself matey.... the brethren have tarred and feathered me... LOL !!![/p][/quote]I don't know if you're a skate or not but you do seem to take an awful lot of pleasure in being controversial at every point and rubbing people up the wrong way. To be fair, the same is true of a lot of miserable old buggers at St Mary's so maybe you are a Saints fan after all.[/p][/quote]I was at the baseball ground in the late 80s or early 90s and left on 88 minutes with us loosing 4-1 and I missed 2 or 3 goals.... My mates were derby fans and they took the pi55 all evening, think we lost 6-3 but I am sure someone on here was there and will refresh my memory, we played in the orange 3rd shirt with draper logo... they even arranged for one of the Saints players to send me a shirt signed and saying "don't leave before it finishes"...[/p][/quote]When was it ? .... google ?[/p][/quote]1991. 6-2. but I know they played in Orange, and i still have the shirt.... If you were there you would remember that game... If you were not there then someone on here is bound to remember it.... if you need a litmus test then that is it. You can't google the shirt colour that day.... business-guru

11:30pm Thu 18 Jul 13

swesaint says...

business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
A full 6 people, I'm sure you got head of sales worried now.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]A full 6 people, I'm sure you got head of sales worried now. swesaint

11:30pm Thu 18 Jul 13

F Fan says...

business-guru wrote:
F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?
I rarther think you have no idea how many have been sold. Prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?[/p][/quote]Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?[/p][/quote]I rarther think you have no idea how many have been sold. Prove me wrong. F Fan

11:30pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

If "business guru" is indeed a Saints fan then I formally invite him for a pre-match beer at the Station (junction of Bullar rd and Athelston rd) to celebrate our first home game of the season , I'll gladly buy the first beer ...... see you there ?
If "business guru" is indeed a Saints fan then I formally invite him for a pre-match beer at the Station (junction of Bullar rd and Athelston rd) to celebrate our first home game of the season , I'll gladly buy the first beer ...... see you there ? slugger

11:32pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
F Fan wrote:
business-guru wrote:
St Retford wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
StevieSteve wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere.

Right lets get this off my chest.

Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ...

Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape?

NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!!

Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour.

It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand.

It fails on every count.

AND ANOTHER THING !

The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ...

If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto.

If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum.

There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity.

RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....
Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know.

It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that.

The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole.

Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner.

Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong.

Rant over!
Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas.

The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good.

Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke.

Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players.

You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade.

Something must be done !!!
Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!!

It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide.

Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else!
it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)
Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.
Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right.

I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.
its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.
How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?
Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?
I rarther think you have no idea how many have been sold. Prove me wrong.
you are asking me to disprove a negative.... which of course is impossible. Did you mean to ask me to prove how many shirts have been sold ?
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieSteve[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Judging by the picture the game was just a kickabout at a campsite somewhere. Right lets get this off my chest. Those shirts are just bl**dy awful. Who in their right mind looked at that design and thought "yep that's the Southampton image going forward" ... Not one single piece of that kit reflects the branding of Southampton. It's like McDonalds deciding to drop the big yellow M and go for a lower case italic m in a shade of brown.... Would Nike drop the swoosh? Are Coca Cola going to drop the unique bottle shape? NO !!! NO!! NO!! NO!! Its a mish mash of bog standard Adidas triple stripes with blobs of white here and there .. You could duplicate the kit by wearing an old Liverpool kit and painting your ceiling with a sloppy brush for an hour. It is not a Southampton brand kit any more, it is an Adidas advert and no longer distingushes us in an instantly recognisable way. Its only purpose is to make sure our players know who else is on their side .. How can a kit that was probably developed by a first year graphics student with an old copy of photoshop be held up as representative of our history and core brand. It fails on every count. AND ANOTHER THING ! The core design, regardless of colour is like other adidas shirts. The whole thing has a mass produced feel. This team is targeting the highest achievements in football and we link ourselves to a kit design that reflects a complete absence of imagination and totally ignore a key branding concept - stripes.. Yes STRIPES ... even that abomnation of a shirt last year had some stripes on it .. Now all we have is the Adidas branding... How long before we sell the name Southampton and become Adidas Southampton ... The adidas branding is also more prominent in teh socila consciousness than aap - the actual sponsor .. I bet that will irritate the AAP marketing men ... If the Don had even the most microscopic iota of influence in agreeing this design he needs to get down to Specsavers pronto. If he was not part of the decision process (how likely is THAT?) then those who made the decision should be called to account and admit they are dancing monkeys jumping to the beat of the Adidas drum. There... I think that sums it up.. I may have more to say when I've seen it live.... but for now I'll just fume that the glorious red and white stripes are considered old hat and the madness of marketing money men have removed all semblance of sense and integrity. RANT NO 1 .....to be continued ....[/p][/quote]Does Alicesdad know you are on his computer? We aren't fooled you know. It's perfectly obvious you are a thick cat - and likely a tabby-type striped one at that. The new Saints kit is brilliant and adored by almost all humans. The only person I know who doesn't like it is mental and spends most of the day licking his @rse. He only went to St Marys once and was banned after going on the pitch at half time to sh!t in a hole. Likelihood is the moderator is drafting a new rule right now to ban animals from posting on here. Any which are found to be breaking this rule will endure 10 minutes of very frightening exposure to a large vacuum cleaner. Why don't you just fukc off to the News site and roll in the fish pong. Rant over![/p][/quote]Whether he nicks my log on or not, me and the cat are as one on this.. the shirts are a truly awful football fashionista faux pas. The new picture on this thread not only makes Jay Rod look like a fairy waiter with a towel over each arm ... but it also makes the hideous white and green kit of the opponent look good. Confucious ! Alicescat challenges you to say something funny about this kit when it is clear for all to see that it is way beyond a joke. Our players now look like badly painted Subbuteo players. You know it's true. I'm amazed you give this design any credit as it is clearly the real reason that all these players on the Echo site refuse to join the club..... They see the club set up and it's a "yes", they see the money and it's "yes please".,... then they see the shirts and suddenly they have signed for some European club. Its probably the reason that Forren left and why Gatson hasn't turned up for training yet. If those dumb builders had buried this shirt in the training ground dry lined walls they would be hailed as local heroes with an open toppped bus parade. Something must be done !!![/p][/quote]Shut up Alicesdad, ya boring!! It might not be striped but it's still red n white. Cortese has been incredibly clever with the new home shirt. It's a design Adidas had last year, and that means a hell of a lot more money than any new design. Also it will be sold worldwide. Cortese is doing everything he can to make us a global brand. Just sit back and enjoy the football, like everyone else![/p][/quote]it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era and the away kit is only marginally less worse... Worse though, is that the away kit will make our players virtually invisible to each other wide across the pitch so its also a very bad idea for English grounds ( where the crowd is close ). The first rule about make a global brand is.... get your branding right. LOL !! ;-)[/p][/quote]Only in your own opinion maybe, I've just had a bus ride around town and have seen six examples at different locations, so they are about if you care to look for them.[/p][/quote]Don't come back at him with facts. He is a business guru (ie he watched The Apprentice once) so is always right. I think this shirt will sell an absolute shedload. People don't buy them based on what they look like; they buy them to show their support. And this season an awful lot of people will want to show their support.[/p][/quote]its already only selling a fraction of last years and I know 6 people who have bought the adidas template and done the transfers themselves.... now THAT is a first. I can not ever remember Saints fans making their own replicas of replicas... still you know best... LOL... Buying an arsenal shirt does not show your "support" for Saints, it just makes you look like an Arsenal fan. As for this being an iconic "global brand" , well thats just wetting funny as they say. I'll stick with my prediction that the 3rd shirt will be out by christmas and will easily outsell the Arsenal shirt and the invisible one simply because Adidas could not possibly create a worse shirt than those if they tried. And you can take the pi55 about business accumen all you like but the fact remains the die-hards would wear loft insulation to the games if it was the official gear but the success of a shirt depends on its general appeal You don't have to be a "guru" to know the blinding obvious.[/p][/quote]How many have been sold to date compared to same time last year please?[/p][/quote]Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?[/p][/quote]I rarther think you have no idea how many have been sold. Prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]you are asking me to disprove a negative.... which of course is impossible. Did you mean to ask me to prove how many shirts have been sold ? business-guru

11:37pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
If "business guru" is indeed a Saints fan then I formally invite him for a pre-match beer at the Station (junction of Bullar rd and Athelston rd) to celebrate our first home game of the season , I'll gladly buy the first beer ...... see you there ?
yes I know where the station pub is....First game of the season I will be watching from a bar in Southern Europe. The first home game I can attend is the first game after 15th September.... I usually meet some mates in the New Bridge and we walk over but a change is as good as a rest so I am sure I can get to the Station. Scarf and coat guy tho.... won't be wearing the new shirt, I may have mentioned I am not that keen on it !
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: If "business guru" is indeed a Saints fan then I formally invite him for a pre-match beer at the Station (junction of Bullar rd and Athelston rd) to celebrate our first home game of the season , I'll gladly buy the first beer ...... see you there ?[/p][/quote]yes I know where the station pub is....First game of the season I will be watching from a bar in Southern Europe. The first home game I can attend is the first game after 15th September.... I usually meet some mates in the New Bridge and we walk over but a change is as good as a rest so I am sure I can get to the Station. Scarf and coat guy tho.... won't be wearing the new shirt, I may have mentioned I am not that keen on it ! business-guru

11:37pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off . slugger

11:40pm Thu 18 Jul 13

slugger says...

lol .. good night .
lol .. good night . slugger

11:40pm Thu 18 Jul 13

Baddesley Bill says...

I'm a bit bored now....night night COYR
I'm a bit bored now....night night COYR Baddesley Bill

11:42pm Thu 18 Jul 13

business-guru says...

slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .[/p][/quote]how can I be there if I am on holiday ? business-guru

12:18am Fri 19 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year?

if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .[/p][/quote]how can I be there if I am on holiday ?[/p][/quote]what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year? if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question el caballo santos101

2:47am Fri 19 Jul 13

st1halo says...

business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.


wordpress.com/2012/0


8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there!

STID
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there! STID st1halo

2:51am Fri 19 Jul 13

st1halo says...

Haven't we done the shirt debate?

It must be Groundhog Day. so what do we think of the new kit then? Personally I ....................
Haven't we done the shirt debate? It must be Groundhog Day. so what do we think of the new kit then? Personally I .................... st1halo

6:13am Fri 19 Jul 13

Scarborosaint says...

Think the shirt debate has rumbled on long enough, not my favourite but hey as long as the players in it performs as well as we hope who will care this time next year. Looks like the team have a good spirit and camaraderie between them and the addition of one maybe 2 players will be just about right for the start of another exciting season. Can't wait , so less of the negativity that we get on here, some people moan more than the ex mother in law and let's be positive about the new PREMIERSHIP season playing man city not Exeter city, man utd not Hartlepool utd, WBA not burton Albion . It could be worse we could be staring at the conference !!!!
Think the shirt debate has rumbled on long enough, not my favourite but hey as long as the players in it performs as well as we hope who will care this time next year. Looks like the team have a good spirit and camaraderie between them and the addition of one maybe 2 players will be just about right for the start of another exciting season. Can't wait , so less of the negativity that we get on here, some people moan more than the ex mother in law and let's be positive about the new PREMIERSHIP season playing man city not Exeter city, man utd not Hartlepool utd, WBA not burton Albion . It could be worse we could be staring at the conference !!!! Scarborosaint

9:16am Fri 19 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.




wordpress.com/2012/0




8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.
As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans",
true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.[/p][/quote]As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans", true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em. OSPREYSAINT

9:21am Fri 19 Jul 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Looking at some pictures of the Pre Season Tour and I am a bit puzzled, a players' best assett are his feet, so why are the players messing about on a "fire walk"? Accidents do happen.
Looking at some pictures of the Pre Season Tour and I am a bit puzzled, a players' best assett are his feet, so why are the players messing about on a "fire walk"? Accidents do happen. OSPREYSAINT

9:50am Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year?

if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question
not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .[/p][/quote]how can I be there if I am on holiday ?[/p][/quote]what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year? if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question[/p][/quote]not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ? business-guru

9:53am Fri 19 Jul 13

Clever Dick says...

Oh do we have a new shirt!! Hee hee.
Oh do we have a new shirt!! Hee hee. Clever Dick

9:54am Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

st1halo wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.



wordpress.com/2012/0



8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there!

STID
I have been to the dell over 300 times, SMS over 50 times and I have been to about 30 away games over the years and I have never seen an adult in full kit....
[quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there! STID[/p][/quote]I have been to the dell over 300 times, SMS over 50 times and I have been to about 30 away games over the years and I have never seen an adult in full kit.... business-guru

10:03am Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.





wordpress.com/2012/0





8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.
As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans",
true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em.
nice to have the time to research the population of Kenya. My work with a couple agencies gave me an insight into the migratory patterns in Africa. The reason no one knows how many Kenyans there are is that a hell of a lot move in and out through international borders over long periods of time for various reasons. I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? The problem here is that many posters get wound up because some posters are not not-in-the-know. And the ones that clearly have 1st, 2nd or 3rd party knowledge are hounded. This is forum mentality. People gang together in comfort zones and make themselves feel better with statements like "MP and NC know best". "In Nicola we trust" blah blah blah.... but the truth is that there are at least 3 posters on here that occasionally have come out with gems ( one of which won me a bet ) which mean they must access channel(s) that others don't. And its THIS that people can not stand. Posting as a fact is a figment of people's imagination. All statements on here are subject to various caviats. Thats just obvious. So "Gaston is looking to rent in Italy" is what I have heard. so that it what I print....I could print "Allegedly Gaston is looking to rent in Italy".... but its tiresome and childish. This is a forum for opinions, transfer news, gossip, breaking news, match updates, etc etc , it is not a reference library.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.[/p][/quote]As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans", true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em.[/p][/quote]nice to have the time to research the population of Kenya. My work with a couple agencies gave me an insight into the migratory patterns in Africa. The reason no one knows how many Kenyans there are is that a hell of a lot move in and out through international borders over long periods of time for various reasons. I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? The problem here is that many posters get wound up because some posters are not not-in-the-know. And the ones that clearly have 1st, 2nd or 3rd party knowledge are hounded. This is forum mentality. People gang together in comfort zones and make themselves feel better with statements like "MP and NC know best". "In Nicola we trust" blah blah blah.... but the truth is that there are at least 3 posters on here that occasionally have come out with gems ( one of which won me a bet ) which mean they must access channel(s) that others don't. And its THIS that people can not stand. Posting as a fact is a figment of people's imagination. All statements on here are subject to various caviats. Thats just obvious. So "Gaston is looking to rent in Italy" is what I have heard. so that it what I print....I could print "Allegedly Gaston is looking to rent in Italy".... but its tiresome and childish. This is a forum for opinions, transfer news, gossip, breaking news, match updates, etc etc , it is not a reference library. business-guru

10:04am Fri 19 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Mister E wrote:
The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent.
But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip.
What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not.
Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts.
That IS marketing and creating a brand!
With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt.
But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one!
That just wouldn't be Saintly!
100% agree.

If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it.

Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque.

P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland?
[quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent. But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip. What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not. Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts. That IS marketing and creating a brand! With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt. But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one! That just wouldn't be Saintly![/p][/quote]100% agree. If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it. Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque. P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland? Strasbourg Saint

10:11am Fri 19 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

Kenya. I used to work in Tanzania and once crossed the border into Kenya. I'm not sure what I found most shocking, the fact that most people, when completing their visa papers, would write 'peasant' in the box marked 'occupation', or the manner in which the crowds were kept in line by whip-wielding police.
Kenya. I used to work in Tanzania and once crossed the border into Kenya. I'm not sure what I found most shocking, the fact that most people, when completing their visa papers, would write 'peasant' in the box marked 'occupation', or the manner in which the crowds were kept in line by whip-wielding police. Strasbourg Saint

10:15am Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Mister E wrote:
The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent.
But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip.
What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not.
Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts.
That IS marketing and creating a brand!
With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt.
But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one!
That just wouldn't be Saintly!
100% agree.

If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it.

Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque.

P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland?
I would love to oblige but its not mine. I have use of it for a few games only and I also have two corporates to organise and attend with one spare invite but take it from me, that is not really the way to watch the Saints... My first game will be the first one after mid September and I think I am getting to a total of 6 games at home this season... Will be watching until then from various places including Les Sables, Narbonne and Antibes/JLP.... trying to secure watching facilities in france, all seem to be lining up nicely except Les Sables where the bar owners seem more interested in French football for some strange reason....
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent. But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip. What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not. Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts. That IS marketing and creating a brand! With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt. But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one! That just wouldn't be Saintly![/p][/quote]100% agree. If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it. Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque. P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland?[/p][/quote]I would love to oblige but its not mine. I have use of it for a few games only and I also have two corporates to organise and attend with one spare invite but take it from me, that is not really the way to watch the Saints... My first game will be the first one after mid September and I think I am getting to a total of 6 games at home this season... Will be watching until then from various places including Les Sables, Narbonne and Antibes/JLP.... trying to secure watching facilities in france, all seem to be lining up nicely except Les Sables where the bar owners seem more interested in French football for some strange reason.... business-guru

10:20am Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Kenya. I used to work in Tanzania and once crossed the border into Kenya. I'm not sure what I found most shocking, the fact that most people, when completing their visa papers, would write 'peasant' in the box marked 'occupation', or the manner in which the crowds were kept in line by whip-wielding police.
A guy who used to work for Plan said they once "found" 4000 kenyans living illegally in Uganda some miles from the border. They were surviving in the semi-dry swamp borders and told the agency that they had lost over a hundred people to "predators".... competely incredible stories he had..... like some of the treks for water.... I think walking on a few coals would be nothing for our new guy !
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: Kenya. I used to work in Tanzania and once crossed the border into Kenya. I'm not sure what I found most shocking, the fact that most people, when completing their visa papers, would write 'peasant' in the box marked 'occupation', or the manner in which the crowds were kept in line by whip-wielding police.[/p][/quote]A guy who used to work for Plan said they once "found" 4000 kenyans living illegally in Uganda some miles from the border. They were surviving in the semi-dry swamp borders and told the agency that they had lost over a hundred people to "predators".... competely incredible stories he had..... like some of the treks for water.... I think walking on a few coals would be nothing for our new guy ! business-guru

10:41am Fri 19 Jul 13

Strasbourg Saint says...

business-guru wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Mister E wrote:
The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent.
But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip.
What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not.
Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts.
That IS marketing and creating a brand!
With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt.
But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one!
That just wouldn't be Saintly!
100% agree.

If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it.

Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque.

P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland?
I would love to oblige but its not mine. I have use of it for a few games only and I also have two corporates to organise and attend with one spare invite but take it from me, that is not really the way to watch the Saints... My first game will be the first one after mid September and I think I am getting to a total of 6 games at home this season... Will be watching until then from various places including Les Sables, Narbonne and Antibes/JLP.... trying to secure watching facilities in france, all seem to be lining up nicely except Les Sables where the bar owners seem more interested in French football for some strange reason....
Oh well, don't ask, don't get!

French football? That's a first over here.

I'm normally denied a Saints match by Barca, Manure or Bayern.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mister E[/bold] wrote: The shirt is ok in itself, and the full strip is quite decent. But, in my opinion, not as The Saints strip. What I find disappointing is that it's not distinctively, instantly recognisably Southampton, striped or not. Barcelona change their kit regularly, but it's always instantly recognised as theirs. AC & Inter Milan also with the same result - anyone around the world with half an interest in football recognise these shirts. That IS marketing and creating a brand! With a bit of imagination, stripes or a version thereof ( and we've had some in the past ) could have given us a distinctive, and obviously Southampton shirt. But, I would certainly not insult or criticise anyone who buys this one! That just wouldn't be Saintly![/p][/quote]100% agree. If there has to be a final word on the shirt, please, oh please, let THIS be it. Oh, and for the record, I like tea, Marmite and cricket but hate absinthe, snails and petanque. P.S. Guru ...... as you can't be there, can I have your season ticket for Sunderland?[/p][/quote]I would love to oblige but its not mine. I have use of it for a few games only and I also have two corporates to organise and attend with one spare invite but take it from me, that is not really the way to watch the Saints... My first game will be the first one after mid September and I think I am getting to a total of 6 games at home this season... Will be watching until then from various places including Les Sables, Narbonne and Antibes/JLP.... trying to secure watching facilities in france, all seem to be lining up nicely except Les Sables where the bar owners seem more interested in French football for some strange reason....[/p][/quote]Oh well, don't ask, don't get! French football? That's a first over here. I'm normally denied a Saints match by Barca, Manure or Bayern. Strasbourg Saint

10:55am Fri 19 Jul 13

Rising_Son says...

business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year?

if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question
not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?
Why not just give us all the relevant shirt sales figures you have? I'm sure that will solve the problem.
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .[/p][/quote]how can I be there if I am on holiday ?[/p][/quote]what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year? if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question[/p][/quote]not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?[/p][/quote]Why not just give us all the relevant shirt sales figures you have? I'm sure that will solve the problem. Rising_Son

10:58am Fri 19 Jul 13

Rising_Son says...

business-guru wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.






wordpress.com/2012/0






8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight!

before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea!

you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`
I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.
As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans",
true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em.
nice to have the time to research the population of Kenya. My work with a couple agencies gave me an insight into the migratory patterns in Africa. The reason no one knows how many Kenyans there are is that a hell of a lot move in and out through international borders over long periods of time for various reasons. I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? The problem here is that many posters get wound up because some posters are not not-in-the-know. And the ones that clearly have 1st, 2nd or 3rd party knowledge are hounded. This is forum mentality. People gang together in comfort zones and make themselves feel better with statements like "MP and NC know best". "In Nicola we trust" blah blah blah.... but the truth is that there are at least 3 posters on here that occasionally have come out with gems ( one of which won me a bet ) which mean they must access channel(s) that others don't. And its THIS that people can not stand. Posting as a fact is a figment of people's imagination. All statements on here are subject to various caviats. Thats just obvious. So "Gaston is looking to rent in Italy" is what I have heard. so that it what I print....I could print "Allegedly Gaston is looking to rent in Italy".... but its tiresome and childish. This is a forum for opinions, transfer news, gossip, breaking news, match updates, etc etc , it is not a reference library.
Why do you think it is childish?
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]I see our resident `guru` has played with words again. he has once more shown his `true` colours tonight! before you come up with a `cleverly` worded answer `guru` may I just mention that when you say quote "its already only selling a fraction of last years" everyone knows this to mean `its sold a lot less than last years at the same time`` so when asked to clarify this statement coming back with "Do you know what the word "fraction" means ?" is as I said playing with semantics, we all know what fraction means and we all know the phrase you used, especially as you already said "it won't mean "a hell of a lot more money" because it will not sell.... ( apart from kids that support Saints and arsenal ). Its easily going to be the worst selling strip in the club's modern era". you were asked how many shirts have been sold to date compared to this time last year and couldn't give an answer as you don't know and used your opinion as fact. you did the same to osprey when you said "Kenyans could not afford the kit", we all again know what this means. so when osprey said that half the 44million population of Kenya didnt live in poverty you, again played with words and claimed osprey must be the only person to know the exact population of Kenya as no one knows but best guess is 43.5million +-3million, so 44million was about right. oh and when people say the English like tea it is widely accepted that this is a generalisation about the English as a race, mainly because the majority of English do drink tea! you squirm and back track so much you should rename yourself `political-guru`[/p][/quote]I was being Ironic with osprey , because he had clearly ( like he often does ) wiki for his facts.... regards being ask about shirt sales....I answered a question with a question in order to answer the question, since the question posed put into question the questioners understanding of the word fraction.[/p][/quote]As a matter of interest, if you want to know the Population of Kenya just Google "Kenya Population", you will find many web sites giving a variety of figures, I used 44 milion as an arbitary figure based on the figures being quoted, Wiki helps, but isn't always as accurate as it should be, so cross referencing helps, I did say at the time I didn't have the information in my own memory bank, so had to do some investigation, the trouble with guru is that he posts statements that say things that are indisputable facts, when they are only his opinion and not based on the actual truth, but the way he posts them leads people to believe he is 100% correct, when if you bother to check he is usually half right but lacking accuracy in many ways. He said "Kenyans won't be able to afford shirts", when I challenged that he said "I didn't say 'all' Kenyans", true but he didn't say "some" Kenyans either, pedantic I know, but it's the way you tell 'em.[/p][/quote]nice to have the time to research the population of Kenya. My work with a couple agencies gave me an insight into the migratory patterns in Africa. The reason no one knows how many Kenyans there are is that a hell of a lot move in and out through international borders over long periods of time for various reasons. I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? The problem here is that many posters get wound up because some posters are not not-in-the-know. And the ones that clearly have 1st, 2nd or 3rd party knowledge are hounded. This is forum mentality. People gang together in comfort zones and make themselves feel better with statements like "MP and NC know best". "In Nicola we trust" blah blah blah.... but the truth is that there are at least 3 posters on here that occasionally have come out with gems ( one of which won me a bet ) which mean they must access channel(s) that others don't. And its THIS that people can not stand. Posting as a fact is a figment of people's imagination. All statements on here are subject to various caviats. Thats just obvious. So "Gaston is looking to rent in Italy" is what I have heard. so that it what I print....I could print "Allegedly Gaston is looking to rent in Italy".... but its tiresome and childish. This is a forum for opinions, transfer news, gossip, breaking news, match updates, etc etc , it is not a reference library.[/p][/quote]Why do you think it is childish? Rising_Son

11:15am Fri 19 Jul 13

John Shuttleworth says...

Business Guru said.

"I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? "

LIAR!
Business Guru said. "I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? " LIAR! John Shuttleworth

11:23am Fri 19 Jul 13

st1halo says...

business-guru wrote:
st1halo wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
business-guru wrote:
Santa Retfordia wrote:
Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them?

Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?
no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)
Some do. This is AMAZING:

http://richardp1975.




wordpress.com/2012/0




8/24/full-kit-****
s/
that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....
Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there!

STID
I have been to the dell over 300 times, SMS over 50 times and I have been to about 30 away games over the years and I have never seen an adult in full kit....
Oh go on then..... I'll play ...... explain your 'definition' of full Saints kit and why the players don't qualify, it will be your chance to tell me to read properly. No doubt you will state that they need to be wearing all the kits at once + goalkeeping gloves!

I bet you can moonwalk too.


STID
[quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]st1halo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Santa Retfordia[/bold] wrote: Was there someone on here arguing that kids kits at £40 are more expensive than adult kits at £50 because they don't have VAT on them? Can anyone spot the mathematical error in this claim?[/p][/quote]no someone said the club is ripping off the kids because the shorts are both £25 , for adult and kids... so they are making more profit on kids shorts because they are zero VAT.... mind you its irrelevant one would assume because no adult with any self respect would buy the full kit and wear it would they !?1? ;0)[/p][/quote]Some do. This is AMAZING: http://richardp1975. wordpress.com/2012/0 8/24/full-kit-**** s/[/p][/quote]that is quality...... :-) I have never seen an adult in a full saints kit, ever....[/p][/quote]Try going to St.Mary's Stadium some time, I can quarantee there will be at least eleven adults wearing one there! STID[/p][/quote]I have been to the dell over 300 times, SMS over 50 times and I have been to about 30 away games over the years and I have never seen an adult in full kit....[/p][/quote]Oh go on then..... I'll play ...... explain your 'definition' of full Saints kit and why the players don't qualify, it will be your chance to tell me to read properly. No doubt you will state that they need to be wearing all the kits at once + goalkeeping gloves! I bet you can moonwalk too. STID st1halo

11:24am Fri 19 Jul 13

John Shuttleworth says...

John Shuttleworth wrote:
Business Guru said.

"I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? "

LIAR!
And here's one for starters: "its already only selling a fraction of last years "

When several people asked you to back up that "fact", you just retreated into smug little rhetorical wheezes about their questions not being specific enough.

You're possibly a Saints supporter but you're DEFINITELY a tedious, lying know-all.
[quote][p][bold]John Shuttleworth[/bold] wrote: Business Guru said. "I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? " LIAR![/p][/quote]And here's one for starters: "its [the shirt] already only selling a fraction of last years " When several people asked you to back up that "fact", you just retreated into smug little rhetorical wheezes about their questions not being specific enough. You're possibly a Saints supporter but you're DEFINITELY a tedious, lying know-all. John Shuttleworth

12:16pm Fri 19 Jul 13

el caballo santos101 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year?

if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question
not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?
Why not just give us all the relevant shirt sales figures you have? I'm sure that will solve the problem.
he cant give the figures because he doesn't know them! he has done this before, he makes statements which he implies are facts he then cant answer questions when asked to quantify his statements and instead turns it around onto you for `asking the wrong question` or tell you to prove him wrong. I have asked so many times for him to prove his statement about players contracts and what the can and cant do in their own time, once he did state we are the only prem team who do this and players at Newcastle don't have the same restrictions in their contracts, again I have asked for proof and I have got as an answer is `don't be so lazy ring them and find out`.

I don't even think its worth bothering with him any more, I shall leave him post his facts/opinion and not give him the satisfaction of responding, something he clearly craves.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]business-guru[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .[/p][/quote]how can I be there if I am on holiday ?[/p][/quote]what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year? if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question[/p][/quote]not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?[/p][/quote]Why not just give us all the relevant shirt sales figures you have? I'm sure that will solve the problem.[/p][/quote]he cant give the figures because he doesn't know them! he has done this before, he makes statements which he implies are facts he then cant answer questions when asked to quantify his statements and instead turns it around onto you for `asking the wrong question` or tell you to prove him wrong. I have asked so many times for him to prove his statement about players contracts and what the can and cant do in their own time, once he did state we are the only prem team who do this and players at Newcastle don't have the same restrictions in their contracts, again I have asked for proof and I have got as an answer is `don't be so lazy ring them and find out`. I don't even think its worth bothering with him any more, I shall leave him post his facts/opinion and not give him the satisfaction of responding, something he clearly craves. el caballo santos101

12:52pm Fri 19 Jul 13

business-guru says...

John Shuttleworth wrote:
John Shuttleworth wrote:
Business Guru said.

"I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? "

LIAR!
And here's one for starters: "its already only selling a fraction of last years "

When several people asked you to back up that "fact", you just retreated into smug little rhetorical wheezes about their questions not being specific enough.

You're possibly a Saints supporter but you're DEFINITELY a tedious, lying know-all.
if you are so retarded as to not be able to pick up a phone and find a simple piece of information then that is your problem. You are not a liar, you appear far too stupid for that. But you are in great company... there are many idiots on here who want information but are unable to google a phone number, pick up the phone, dial, say hello and ask a question. You are the one with the problem, not me. That aside, forgeting not being of sufficient intelligence to contact the saints shop, you obviously don't get out much either. It easy to jump on the muppet-wagon, but instead try to stretch your brain cells.....pick up a phone and prove ME wrong... oh no you can't can you....
[quote][p][bold]John Shuttleworth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]John Shuttleworth[/bold] wrote: Business Guru said. "I do not post anything stating them as facts. I state what I think. In real life you don't have to qualify ever opinion with "in my opinion" so why do it here ? " LIAR![/p][/quote]And here's one for starters: "its [the shirt] already only selling a fraction of last years " When several people asked you to back up that "fact", you just retreated into smug little rhetorical wheezes about their questions not being specific enough. You're possibly a Saints supporter but you're DEFINITELY a tedious, lying know-all.[/p][/quote]if you are so retarded as to not be able to pick up a phone and find a simple piece of information then that is your problem. You are not a liar, you appear far too stupid for that. But you are in great company... there are many idiots on here who want information but are unable to google a phone number, pick up the phone, dial, say hello and ask a question. You are the one with the problem, not me. That aside, forgeting not being of sufficient intelligence to contact the saints shop, you obviously don't get out much either. It easy to jump on the muppet-wagon, but instead try to stretch your brain cells.....pick up a phone and prove ME wrong... oh no you can't can you.... business-guru

12:55pm Fri 19 Jul 13

John Shuttleworth says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
business-guru wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
business-guru wrote:
slugger wrote:
mr guru ...... you know the question , answer it or sod off .
how can I be there if I am on holiday ?
what about, how many shirts sales have there been so far this year and how does it compare to last year?

if you don't know, and you don't, just say so don't dodge the question
not dodging the question, you have not qualified it enough to be answered. Do you want pro-rata sales for a like-for-like sales window ? Do you want 3rd party retailer orders to count as sales ? Do you want total sales irrespective of release date ? Do you want wholesale released sales from supplier ?
Why not just give us all the relevant shirt sales figures you have? I'm sure that will solve the problem.
he cant give the figures because he doesn't know them! he has done this before, he makes statements which he implies are facts he then cant answer questions when asked to quantify his statements and instead turns it around onto you for `asking the wrong question` or tell you to prove him wrong. I have asked so many times for him to prove his statement about players contracts and what the can and cant do in their own time, once he did state we are the only prem team who do this and players at Newcastle don't have the same restrictions in their contracts, again I have asked for proof and I have got as an answer is `don't be so lazy ring them and find out`.

I don't even think its worth bothering with him any more, I shall leave him post his facts/opinion and not give him the satisfaction of responding, something he clearly craves.
I asked him exactly the same when he was endlessly spouting off about how our players' contracts are in some way unique.

He just makes stuff up and thinks that by repeating it, it will become true.

Problem (for him) is that people are beginning to see through his know-all statements.

So, "Guru".

Show us evidence that our contracts are mor