Katharina Liebherr - part of one of Europe's biggest business dynasties

Daily Echo: Katharina Liebherr - part of one of Europe's biggest business dynasties Katharina Liebherr - part of one of Europe's biggest business dynasties

KATHARINA Liebherr is part of one of Europe’s most respected and successful business dynasties.

With a fortune believed to be around £3billion, the Liebherr family business is one of the world’s leading manufacturers of construction machinery.

It all started 65 years ago with one man, Hans Liebherr.

Not much is publicly known about Katharina, the daughter of the man who rescued Saints from oblivion in July 2009, Markus.

Markus himself was one of five children.

The great success of Hans Liebherr’s first mobile, easy-to-assemble and affordable tower crane was the foundation on which the company flourished.

His management style was legendary and his success was built on his belief in frugality and delegation of responsibility.

In 1980, he told the media that owing money to other people was gambling.

Liebherr was also aware that his enterprise could have grown faster with the help of bank loans, but adhered strictly to his maxim that money could only be spent after it was earned.

Does that principle still apply with regards to Katharina Liebherr’s business style?

In the early 1970s, Hans moved his residence from Germany to Switzerland in order to avoid the hefty German inheritance tax and he soon transferred stock ownership in his enterprise to his children, including Markus.

The company was split in two parts: a German holding company for all business activities in Germany and another holding company based in Switzerland for all the other subsidiaries.

In 1983, the company’s headquarters were also moved to Switzerland after the establishment of the new Swiss-based management holding company Liebherr-International AG.

Hans Jr, Markus, and Hubert received equal shares in the German holding company, while Willi and Isolde Liebherr were co-owners of the Swiss holding company.

When Hans senior died aged 78 in 1993, the second Liebherr generation took full control over management of the family enterprise.

Hans Jr took over responsibility for the crane and concrete mixing business, Willi for earth moving equipment and Isolde for the refrigerator production.

Markus, however, changed his life plans and gave most of his shares in the company back to his brothers and sister.

Daily Echo:

In 1994, Markus founded the Mali International Group based in Fribourg, Switzerland.

Katharina has previously worked as president of the Mali-Motan group for companies that came under the umbrella of the Mali Group.

Both Nicola Cortese and Katharina Liebherr resigned from the company last autumn.

Katharina Liebherr inherited Saints when Markus passed away in August 2010.

At the time the Mali Group published a statement saying Katharina “will continue to carry out his (Markus’) vision.”

Over the years the Liebherr family business has grown into what is today a group of companies, employing a workforce of almost 40,000 in over 100 companies on all continents.

The Liebherr Group expected to have a turner of around £9 billion in 2013.

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8:35am Thu 16 Jan 14

Skating on thin ice says...

That is certainly a big, BIG dynasty:
http://www.thesun.co
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That is certainly a big, BIG dynasty: http://www.thesun.co .uk/sol/homepage/spo rt/football/5380842/ Mauricio-Pochettino- set-for-quit-threat- as-Nicola-Cortese-go es.html Skating on thin ice

8:37am Thu 16 Jan 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

I wish her uncle's cranes were a little less noisy. There are 3 of them at the moment right across the street busy building a school and it's making life hell.

Anyway, whatever the facts of the matter, let's hope Katharina has the wisdom to make the best decisions for Saints. We can but speculated about Most things but I am sure of one, and that is that Markus would have wanted what is best for the club.
I wish her uncle's cranes were a little less noisy. There are 3 of them at the moment right across the street busy building a school and it's making life hell. Anyway, whatever the facts of the matter, let's hope Katharina has the wisdom to make the best decisions for Saints. We can but speculated about Most things but I am sure of one, and that is that Markus would have wanted what is best for the club. Strasbourg Saint

8:38am Thu 16 Jan 14

Blackwaterblue says...

It a football club, not a business........
It a football club, not a business........ Blackwaterblue

8:39am Thu 16 Jan 14

Skating on thin ice says...

The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.
The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time. Skating on thin ice

8:44am Thu 16 Jan 14

Sheffieldsaint says...

A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated.
I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football.
A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated. I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football. Sheffieldsaint

8:48am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us.

That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.
If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us. That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now. andoru

8:52am Thu 16 Jan 14

Dasal says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated.
I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football.
AMEN.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated. I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football.[/p][/quote]AMEN. Dasal

8:57am Thu 16 Jan 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Us fans could get together and offer £50Million?
With our fan base that is about £50 each.

I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football.
Us fans could get together and offer £50Million? With our fan base that is about £50 each. I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football. Norwegian Saint

8:57am Thu 16 Jan 14

montecristosaint says...

well one of my questions has been answered Katherina has commercial experience. I simply cannot see, whether or not she likes football herself, that she would allow her father´ pet hobby sink into oblivion through asset stripping. She merely needs to assert herself, business as usual, we can take heart from that statement attributed to her , hopefully, there are not going to be major changes. Except in the way the company is accountable to its head, and I suspect that is where Cortese went wrong. He simply did not recognize that with Markus s death he needed to revise his role into one with a greater degree of accountability and it is no surprise that in the absence of feedback no money was made availlable to Cortese in the January window. If i were Liebherr I would grab Pochettino by the scruff of the neck, explain the facts of commercial life, and then give him something to spend in this window. It would immediately set to rights any fall out from the Cortese departure.
well one of my questions has been answered Katherina has commercial experience. I simply cannot see, whether or not she likes football herself, that she would allow her father´ pet hobby sink into oblivion through asset stripping. She merely needs to assert herself, business as usual, we can take heart from that statement attributed to her , hopefully, there are not going to be major changes. Except in the way the company is accountable to its head, and I suspect that is where Cortese went wrong. He simply did not recognize that with Markus s death he needed to revise his role into one with a greater degree of accountability and it is no surprise that in the absence of feedback no money was made availlable to Cortese in the January window. If i were Liebherr I would grab Pochettino by the scruff of the neck, explain the facts of commercial life, and then give him something to spend in this window. It would immediately set to rights any fall out from the Cortese departure. montecristosaint

9:02am Thu 16 Jan 14

warrens 76 says...

Living a thousand miles away and with purely a commercial head on bexcause Swiss with the odd Marcus exception are VERY cold, fish does not hold out much hope…I live in Vaud I know.

Southampton means an awful lot to NC as does it's potential….certain
ly 5 years of top 8 finishes and the inevitable world spot light would eventually bring revenues double today's and that would be selling time if he chose to.

Katherine will be being advised by accountants not people with the 'feel' for the overall situation….if the dominoes begin to fall then her value of the club will collapse…

NC himself would be in a conflict of interest to launch a takeover in situ and as representative of the Liebherr's interests would be in a legally difficult situation.

Now he has gone he can come back with a solid proposition with no conflict of interest ..

…probably wishful thinking but a sharp and shrewd move if it happens, the value of SFC with him at the helm or rudderless is enormous, this will not be lost on the bean counters…there is more to come in this saga.
Living a thousand miles away and with purely a commercial head on bexcause Swiss with the odd Marcus exception are VERY cold, fish does not hold out much hope…I live in Vaud I know. Southampton means an awful lot to NC as does it's potential….certain ly 5 years of top 8 finishes and the inevitable world spot light would eventually bring revenues double today's and that would be selling time if he chose to. Katherine will be being advised by accountants not people with the 'feel' for the overall situation….if the dominoes begin to fall then her value of the club will collapse… NC himself would be in a conflict of interest to launch a takeover in situ and as representative of the Liebherr's interests would be in a legally difficult situation. Now he has gone he can come back with a solid proposition with no conflict of interest .. …probably wishful thinking but a sharp and shrewd move if it happens, the value of SFC with him at the helm or rudderless is enormous, this will not be lost on the bean counters…there is more to come in this saga. warrens 76

9:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintRachel says...

Sounds like he did resign in Autumn if he also resigned from the other boards then. If so, a grand plan will be in place and will be revealed to us very soon.
Sounds like he did resign in Autumn if he also resigned from the other boards then. If so, a grand plan will be in place and will be revealed to us very soon. SaintRachel

9:15am Thu 16 Jan 14

Chipmonk1 says...

I have been walking around all day down here at work with a strange numb feeling all day. Then I remembered the last time I felt like this. It was when I logged on to this website and read that Nigel had been replaced by some unknown (to me anyway) guy that had formerly been managing Espanyol. Before that I had the same feeling when I heard Pardew had been relieved of his duties. Before that when I read that saints were going in to administration. I have been called many things but never an optimist but then again in each of the three occasions I mentioned things seemed to turn out better for Saints. Maybe there is a silver lining to all of this I'm not ssure but one thing is for sure. My support for the saints has not diminished. Thank you Nicola for all that you have done I for one will never forget the pride you brought back to our club
I have been walking around all day down here at work with a strange numb feeling all day. Then I remembered the last time I felt like this. It was when I logged on to this website and read that Nigel had been replaced by some unknown (to me anyway) guy that had formerly been managing Espanyol. Before that I had the same feeling when I heard Pardew had been relieved of his duties. Before that when I read that saints were going in to administration. I have been called many things but never an optimist but then again in each of the three occasions I mentioned things seemed to turn out better for Saints. Maybe there is a silver lining to all of this I'm not ssure but one thing is for sure. My support for the saints has not diminished. Thank you Nicola for all that you have done I for one will never forget the pride you brought back to our club Chipmonk1

9:35am Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintinCanada says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.
Your research into the Libherr family business is frankly quite remarkable. You mst have a lot of time on your hands, and, unlike othe posters of your ilk, I think that you are using that time intelligently. I certainly "did not take any notice at the time" as you say, but I accept your comment at face value.

Having said that, I question the intelligence of somebody who would go to such lengths to fuel an obvious obsession, i.e. a great hope of some demise to our great Football Club.

Sadly for you it's not going to happen - and you face a future of further frustration.

Your Club needs people with drive such as yourself, people that are prepared to use their resarch time, and passion driven by hope, to at least stay in the Football League.

Indeed the ice is very thin down there.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.[/p][/quote]Your research into the Libherr family business is frankly quite remarkable. You mst have a lot of time on your hands, and, unlike othe posters of your ilk, I think that you are using that time intelligently. I certainly "did not take any notice at the time" as you say, but I accept your comment at face value. Having said that, I question the intelligence of somebody who would go to such lengths to fuel an obvious obsession, i.e. a great hope of some demise to our great Football Club. Sadly for you it's not going to happen - and you face a future of further frustration. Your Club needs people with drive such as yourself, people that are prepared to use their resarch time, and passion driven by hope, to at least stay in the Football League. Indeed the ice is very thin down there. SaintinCanada

9:39am Thu 16 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.
Yes we,ve read your inane drivel over and over like a stuck record. Try reding the first two sentences of the article.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.[/p][/quote]Yes we,ve read your inane drivel over and over like a stuck record. Try reding the first two sentences of the article. Clever Dick

9:43am Thu 16 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Sheffieldsaint wrote:
A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated.
I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football.
Business is not about sentiment. It is about profit. Some businessmen have hobbies. It doesn't mean their children will have the same hobbies and interests as their fathers. Or believe they have a moral obligation to honour their father's wishes.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldsaint[/bold] wrote: A message for Ms Liebherr from one loyal fan. Markus Liebherr was loved by most fans for the way he bought into, loved and saved our great football club. His passing came as a great shock to all of us. His legacy however will not be forgotten and the strides the club have made under his patronage (and the Chairmanship of Mr Cortese) cannot be overstated. I truly hope that you can embrace this and continue on to take the club forward in the way that I know your great father would have wished and to keep his memory alive within Southampton Football Club.The best way to do this is to strive to make the Saints become one of the great clubs in English if not World Football.[/p][/quote]Business is not about sentiment. It is about profit. Some businessmen have hobbies. It doesn't mean their children will have the same hobbies and interests as their fathers. Or believe they have a moral obligation to honour their father's wishes. george chivers

9:44am Thu 16 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she? Seedhouse the Unrepentant

10:02am Thu 16 Jan 14

Clever Dick says...

Chipmonk1 wrote:
I have been walking around all day down here at work with a strange numb feeling all day. Then I remembered the last time I felt like this. It was when I logged on to this website and read that Nigel had been replaced by some unknown (to me anyway) guy that had formerly been managing Espanyol. Before that I had the same feeling when I heard Pardew had been relieved of his duties. Before that when I read that saints were going in to administration. I have been called many things but never an optimist but then again in each of the three occasions I mentioned things seemed to turn out better for Saints. Maybe there is a silver lining to all of this I'm not ssure but one thing is for sure. My support for the saints has not diminished. Thank you Nicola for all that you have done I for one will never forget the pride you brought back to our club
Spot on. There's too much gloom and doom about this probably because we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. That has been he case for a while now. The fact is Katarina Liebherr is not stupid and I'm sure she has top advisors. She isn't going to destroy something of huge value just beause she doesn't have an interest in football. At the end of the day it is her money and I'm sure we can all understand that it would be very easy to have an irreconcilable breakdown with NC. He has singlehandedly made her a lot of money , but there is no sentiment in big business just like there isn't in football once a great player has reached his sell by date. The future is still bright and it's STILL red and white.
[quote][p][bold]Chipmonk1[/bold] wrote: I have been walking around all day down here at work with a strange numb feeling all day. Then I remembered the last time I felt like this. It was when I logged on to this website and read that Nigel had been replaced by some unknown (to me anyway) guy that had formerly been managing Espanyol. Before that I had the same feeling when I heard Pardew had been relieved of his duties. Before that when I read that saints were going in to administration. I have been called many things but never an optimist but then again in each of the three occasions I mentioned things seemed to turn out better for Saints. Maybe there is a silver lining to all of this I'm not ssure but one thing is for sure. My support for the saints has not diminished. Thank you Nicola for all that you have done I for one will never forget the pride you brought back to our club[/p][/quote]Spot on. There's too much gloom and doom about this probably because we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. That has been he case for a while now. The fact is Katarina Liebherr is not stupid and I'm sure she has top advisors. She isn't going to destroy something of huge value just beause she doesn't have an interest in football. At the end of the day it is her money and I'm sure we can all understand that it would be very easy to have an irreconcilable breakdown with NC. He has singlehandedly made her a lot of money , but there is no sentiment in big business just like there isn't in football once a great player has reached his sell by date. The future is still bright and it's STILL red and white. Clever Dick

10:15am Thu 16 Jan 14

Skelly2525 says...

Please for the first time in possibly history can someone at the club come out and put a stop/clarify rumours before they take hold and become reality.

Lambert to West Ham
Shaw to anyone with money
Spiderman, Lovren and Lallana all linked with moves away
MoPo moving on....

The fans deserve to be calmed by a statement which clarifies things and removes the fear.

We are still 12 points or so from safety and nothing is ever certain - momentum works both ways
Please for the first time in possibly history can someone at the club come out and put a stop/clarify rumours before they take hold and become reality. Lambert to West Ham Shaw to anyone with money Spiderman, Lovren and Lallana all linked with moves away MoPo moving on.... The fans deserve to be calmed by a statement which clarifies things and removes the fear. We are still 12 points or so from safety and nothing is ever certain - momentum works both ways Skelly2525

10:23am Thu 16 Jan 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
It a football club, not a business........
which is more than can be said about your "club" soon, whats that 2 points above relegation to drop out of the league, and your gloating on a Saints site?
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: It a football club, not a business........[/p][/quote]which is more than can be said about your "club" soon, whats that 2 points above relegation to drop out of the league, and your gloating on a Saints site? Folkestone Saint

10:23am Thu 16 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

There is unfortunately doom and gloom among the fans because this is terrible news. If Kathy and Poch fell out over her wanting to sell us or the size of Poch's war chest, both are bad indicators for the future. If she wants shot of us or wants to cut down on the outgoings the club's ambition will be questioned and the vultures will start circling for our quality players, of which there are many. Agents will start licking their lips and encouraging players to hand in transfer requests, and before you know it we have an average squad. Now all of this not yet a reality and we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but going on the snippets we know and the great NC taking a hike, it doesn't look promising.
There is unfortunately doom and gloom among the fans because this is terrible news. If Kathy and Poch fell out over her wanting to sell us or the size of Poch's war chest, both are bad indicators for the future. If she wants shot of us or wants to cut down on the outgoings the club's ambition will be questioned and the vultures will start circling for our quality players, of which there are many. Agents will start licking their lips and encouraging players to hand in transfer requests, and before you know it we have an average squad. Now all of this not yet a reality and we shouldn't jump to conclusions, but going on the snippets we know and the great NC taking a hike, it doesn't look promising. Marchwood Malcom

10:24am Thu 16 Jan 14

Letissmanboobs says...

Norwegian Saint wrote:
Us fans could get together and offer £50Million?
With our fan base that is about £50 each.

I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football.
You Saints have a million fans? Hahahaha!
[quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Us fans could get together and offer £50Million? With our fan base that is about £50 each. I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football.[/p][/quote]You Saints have a million fans? Hahahaha! Letissmanboobs

10:24am Thu 16 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
Excellent points!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?[/p][/quote]Excellent points! Marchwood Malcom

10:43am Thu 16 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time.

No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father?

At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision?

As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world.

STID COYR on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?[/p][/quote]It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time. No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father? At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision? As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world. STID COYR on Saturday. george chivers

10:45am Thu 16 Jan 14

Chicago Saint says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
It a football club, not a business........
This is 2010... football IS a business!
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: It a football club, not a business........[/p][/quote]This is 2010... football IS a business! Chicago Saint

10:55am Thu 16 Jan 14

milton road says...

First of all Markus's estate was 3 billion, the family business fortune is rated at 33 billion if i remember correctly.

Wets Ham assist Manager at 10.09 states ref RL this is pure media speculation.

Saints are said to be worth near 200 million by most accounts not 100 million as stated by the echo. Fulham sold for 150 million, without many of the assets Saints have.

it is true that many clubs will hover now thinking that Saints are an easy touch to buy players. This will depend entirely on how the owners see the situation and whether they actually do basically want to follow Cortese's policy or asset strip.

One would hope business as usual means that the club will be run under the same lines as Cortese and with the same agenda. Also that Poch stays, hopefully he will agree to stay at least to summer.

One feels one of two things happened as the crunch has come in January transfer market.
either the owners would not support the buying of more playes, Astori for example.
or
they wish to sell some of their players.
Otherwise I think this would of been resolved one way or another in close season. Just a thought.
First of all Markus's estate was 3 billion, the family business fortune is rated at 33 billion if i remember correctly. Wets Ham assist Manager at 10.09 states ref RL this is pure media speculation. Saints are said to be worth near 200 million by most accounts not 100 million as stated by the echo. Fulham sold for 150 million, without many of the assets Saints have. it is true that many clubs will hover now thinking that Saints are an easy touch to buy players. This will depend entirely on how the owners see the situation and whether they actually do basically want to follow Cortese's policy or asset strip. One would hope business as usual means that the club will be run under the same lines as Cortese and with the same agenda. Also that Poch stays, hopefully he will agree to stay at least to summer. One feels one of two things happened as the crunch has come in January transfer market. either the owners would not support the buying of more playes, Astori for example. or they wish to sell some of their players. Otherwise I think this would of been resolved one way or another in close season. Just a thought. milton road

11:06am Thu 16 Jan 14

up saints says...

fact markus saved this great football club 4 years ago.it's now up to his daughter to move things on taking a bigger roll or sale it.
fact markus saved this great football club 4 years ago.it's now up to his daughter to move things on taking a bigger roll or sale it. up saints

11:07am Thu 16 Jan 14

up saints says...

up saints wrote:
fact markus saved this great football club 4 years ago.it's now up to his daughter to move things on taking a bigger roll or sale it.
sell
[quote][p][bold]up saints[/bold] wrote: fact markus saved this great football club 4 years ago.it's now up to his daughter to move things on taking a bigger roll or sale it.[/p][/quote]sell up saints

11:08am Thu 16 Jan 14

andoru says...

andoru wrote:
If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us.

That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.
15 thumbs down? Hehe. Seems like a lot of people think I was serious. I wouldn't be so petty.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us. That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.[/p][/quote]15 thumbs down? Hehe. Seems like a lot of people think I was serious. I wouldn't be so petty. andoru

11:16am Thu 16 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time.

No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father?

At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision?

As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world.

STID COYR on Saturday.
Good points but my point is the business acumen that built a colossal empire was Markus not Katharina. She certainly hasn't handled this very well and I don't think Markus with his vast experience would have allowed this to happen.

As far as the 'vision' for SFC is concerned it appears to me that it came entirely from NC and not KL. The desire to play the way we do through all levels of the club, the development of Staplewood and progressing of academy players to the first team, the English core, the different training surfaces to replicate all prem pitches, the players matresses delivered to hotels etc. I think if you think her vision is above and beyond that then you are clutching at straws.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?[/p][/quote]It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time. No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father? At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision? As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world. STID COYR on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Good points but my point is the business acumen that built a colossal empire was Markus not Katharina. She certainly hasn't handled this very well and I don't think Markus with his vast experience would have allowed this to happen. As far as the 'vision' for SFC is concerned it appears to me that it came entirely from NC and not KL. The desire to play the way we do through all levels of the club, the development of Staplewood and progressing of academy players to the first team, the English core, the different training surfaces to replicate all prem pitches, the players matresses delivered to hotels etc. I think if you think her vision is above and beyond that then you are clutching at straws. Seedhouse the Unrepentant

11:26am Thu 16 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

andoru wrote:
If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us.

That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.
Statements like that wont help as she is not a football lover its up to saints fans to change that view ! Pompey fan .
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us. That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.[/p][/quote]Statements like that wont help as she is not a football lover its up to saints fans to change that view ! Pompey fan . bluewhiteandred

11:29am Thu 16 Jan 14

apm1954 says...

R.I .P. markus and thankyou .
R.I .P. markus and thankyou . apm1954

11:38am Thu 16 Jan 14

bluewhiteandred says...

Sad to say if you were 3rd none of this would of happened but players could get winning run again Cortese out the way relaxed place again .. MP goes matt le tiss involvement
Sad to say if you were 3rd none of this would of happened but players could get winning run again Cortese out the way relaxed place again .. MP goes matt le tiss involvement bluewhiteandred

11:39am Thu 16 Jan 14

Swissowned says...

Unfortunately many of the comments on here are written from the viewpoint of what is best for the club (a fans perspective). This is a natural stance from any fan but we should try to look at this situation objectively and not be influenced by our love for our fantastic club.

The club is most likely viewed upon as an asset and a business by Katharina and probably has little or no emotional ties to it. She is most likely not a fan, therefore she will treat any business dealing as just that, a business dealing. Any decisions she makes will be in her own financial interest and not in the interest of the fans or what the fans would want. That is what any of us would do in our own lives in any given situation. We would put our personal needs ahead of another.

Ultimately she owns the club and we should respect what she decides to do with it. All this media frenzy is built on rumour and speculation, and is in itself adding to the speculation and re-generating further hype and frenzy.

The future of the club will be unravelled in time. We just need to be patient and be positive and hopeful. But most importantly we need to stick together as fans and support out great club. The team needs to feel that strength of our support. Stay positive people!
Unfortunately many of the comments on here are written from the viewpoint of what is best for the club (a fans perspective). This is a natural stance from any fan but we should try to look at this situation objectively and not be influenced by our love for our fantastic club. The club is most likely viewed upon as an asset and a business by Katharina and probably has little or no emotional ties to it. She is most likely not a fan, therefore she will treat any business dealing as just that, a business dealing. Any decisions she makes will be in her own financial interest and not in the interest of the fans or what the fans would want. That is what any of us would do in our own lives in any given situation. We would put our personal needs ahead of another. Ultimately she owns the club and we should respect what she decides to do with it. All this media frenzy is built on rumour and speculation, and is in itself adding to the speculation and re-generating further hype and frenzy. The future of the club will be unravelled in time. We just need to be patient and be positive and hopeful. But most importantly we need to stick together as fans and support out great club. The team needs to feel that strength of our support. Stay positive people! Swissowned

12:08pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Barney123 says...

I wouldn't want my inheritance being blown on overpriced prima-donnas. Think she is doing the right thing!
I wouldn't want my inheritance being blown on overpriced prima-donnas. Think she is doing the right thing! Barney123

12:10pm Thu 16 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.
this article is not quite right?
so who do i believe? do i believe the echo with their experienced reporters who have all the tools they need to enquire about the businesses and dealings of KL. or you, a sad little fish, who`s envy and bitterness towards our club spills out in every word you type, working away in the bedroom of your mums house with a pc?
tough one there.
we all know what `research` you have done, you've been posting it non-stop since autumn. with all the `research` you did about NC and him leaving various boards you never once said that KL did the same!
your delight at yesterdays event is so sad to be true. you came on here again posting the same `research` and stating how right you were, and that whenever you posted it in the past you were vilified as a skate troll.
well you are a sad little skate troll who should put all his efforts into his own club. you might find some interesting things about it who knows? you might even help to save it from relegation this season. when you do get relegated expect a load of `sympathy` from saints fans.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.[/p][/quote]this article is not quite right? so who do i believe? do i believe the echo with their experienced reporters who have all the tools they need to enquire about the businesses and dealings of KL. or you, a sad little fish, who`s envy and bitterness towards our club spills out in every word you type, working away in the bedroom of your mums house with a pc? tough one there. we all know what `research` you have done, you've been posting it non-stop since autumn. with all the `research` you did about NC and him leaving various boards you never once said that KL did the same! your delight at yesterdays event is so sad to be true. you came on here again posting the same `research` and stating how right you were, and that whenever you posted it in the past you were vilified as a skate troll. well you are a sad little skate troll who should put all his efforts into his own club. you might find some interesting things about it who knows? you might even help to save it from relegation this season. when you do get relegated expect a load of `sympathy` from saints fans. el caballo santos101

12:19pm Thu 16 Jan 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time.

No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father?

At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision?

As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world.

STID COYR on Saturday.
Good points but my point is the business acumen that built a colossal empire was Markus not Katharina. She certainly hasn't handled this very well and I don't think Markus with his vast experience would have allowed this to happen.

As far as the 'vision' for SFC is concerned it appears to me that it came entirely from NC and not KL. The desire to play the way we do through all levels of the club, the development of Staplewood and progressing of academy players to the first team, the English core, the different training surfaces to replicate all prem pitches, the players matresses delivered to hotels etc. I think if you think her vision is above and beyond that then you are clutching at straws.
I simply think her vision is probably to get out of football and reinvest the money somewhere in her core businesses that gives a better return.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?[/p][/quote]It only becomes a disaster if Poch and our star players depart. I would imagine that NC expected to have 36 points on the board by now and not 30 that would have been a reasonable assumption based on our progress at the time. No she's not her father. Is anybody their father? Are you your father? At the end of the day she's the owner and she calls the shots. As you do no doubt in your company. Would you continue with a senior manager in your company who you had a clash with or didn't share your vision? As emotional shareholders in Southampton FC we have tough fortnight coming up. But we have been there before. It seems to be the price we pay for supporting the best football club in the world. STID COYR on Saturday.[/p][/quote]Good points but my point is the business acumen that built a colossal empire was Markus not Katharina. She certainly hasn't handled this very well and I don't think Markus with his vast experience would have allowed this to happen. As far as the 'vision' for SFC is concerned it appears to me that it came entirely from NC and not KL. The desire to play the way we do through all levels of the club, the development of Staplewood and progressing of academy players to the first team, the English core, the different training surfaces to replicate all prem pitches, the players matresses delivered to hotels etc. I think if you think her vision is above and beyond that then you are clutching at straws.[/p][/quote]I simply think her vision is probably to get out of football and reinvest the money somewhere in her core businesses that gives a better return. george chivers

1:16pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Norwegian Saint says...

Letissmanboobs wrote:
Norwegian Saint wrote:
Us fans could get together and offer £50Million?
With our fan base that is about £50 each.

I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football.
You Saints have a million fans? Hahahaha!
And there is the bite.... I guess it took you a calculator to work that out!
Saints have a far bigger support than your (soon to be) non-league team playing on a pre-tesco piece of land down the road.
WTFILN? :-D
[quote][p][bold]Letissmanboobs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Norwegian Saint[/bold] wrote: Us fans could get together and offer £50Million? With our fan base that is about £50 each. I heard of another set of "fans" buying their club but (due to poor support) had to put in £1000 and get a share of a shed with no future and struggle against non-league football.[/p][/quote]You Saints have a million fans? Hahahaha![/p][/quote]And there is the bite.... I guess it took you a calculator to work that out! Saints have a far bigger support than your (soon to be) non-league team playing on a pre-tesco piece of land down the road. WTFILN? :-D Norwegian Saint

1:28pm Thu 16 Jan 14

SaintJD says...

Chicago Saint wrote:
Blackwaterblue wrote:
It a football club, not a business........
This is 2010... football IS a business!
Not at Pompey clearly.
[quote][p][bold]Chicago Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: It a football club, not a business........[/p][/quote]This is 2010... football IS a business![/p][/quote]Not at Pompey clearly. SaintJD

1:34pm Thu 16 Jan 14

ghk230473 says...

Change that scarf to a red n white 1! Whilst you're at it get le'tiss and channon something to do on match days... Unite the fans and cortèse will be a distant memory.
Ps rumour has it he left one of his Cuban heeled shoes under desk!
Change that scarf to a red n white 1! Whilst you're at it get le'tiss and channon something to do on match days... Unite the fans and cortèse will be a distant memory. Ps rumour has it he left one of his Cuban heeled shoes under desk! ghk230473

2:30pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Jesus_02 says...

andoru wrote:
If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us. That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.
In all honesty the Liebherrs owe us nothing...while we have had a pretty enjoyable last 5 years...rather the deal that Coventry got.

I hope Katharina Liebherr still wants to be part of her fathers vision. But if she decides to walk away then we should show her the respect that Markus would have expected.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: If she screws over the Saints, every company in Southampton currently using Liebherr products should cancel their contracts, so she loses something of a similar to value to us. That's just an 'if' though. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.[/p][/quote]In all honesty the Liebherrs owe us nothing...while we have had a pretty enjoyable last 5 years...rather the deal that Coventry got. I hope Katharina Liebherr still wants to be part of her fathers vision. But if she decides to walk away then we should show her the respect that Markus would have expected. Jesus_02

4:18pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Hows about them new Cranes at the Container Berth then!
Hows about them new Cranes at the Container Berth then! Fatty x Ford Worker

5:05pm Thu 16 Jan 14

mickey01 says...

she is certainly big
she is certainly big mickey01

6:23pm Thu 16 Jan 14

oh when the saints says...

At the time the Mali Group published a statement saying Katharina “will continue to carry out his (Markus’) vision.”

Let's just hope it's fulfilled!!
At the time the Mali Group published a statement saying Katharina “will continue to carry out his (Markus’) vision.” Let's just hope it's fulfilled!! oh when the saints

7:04pm Thu 16 Jan 14

Marchwood Malcom says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Change that scarf to a red n white 1! Whilst you're at it get le'tiss and channon something to do on match days... Unite the fans and cortèse will be a distant memory.
Ps rumour has it he left one of his Cuban heeled shoes under desk!
"Cuban heeled shoes", brilliant!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Change that scarf to a red n white 1! Whilst you're at it get le'tiss and channon something to do on match days... Unite the fans and cortèse will be a distant memory. Ps rumour has it he left one of his Cuban heeled shoes under desk![/p][/quote]"Cuban heeled shoes", brilliant! Marchwood Malcom

10:32pm Thu 16 Jan 14

turicky says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?
So he resigned and it's her fault? Unless you know something, that doesn't make sense. Surely his decision to resign, governs when he leaves. Why didn't he wait until the season finished, if he loved the club so much. You can give me all the thumbs down you want. From the information given so far, it was his choice.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: So he resigned three months ago. Being non football it never occurred to her that to allow his notice period to end in the middle of the January window and then announce it to the football world would be a total disaster! She didn't think to negotiate with him to stay until February or failing that to have let him go in the autumn and restructure the club prior to the January window. She's not her father is she?[/p][/quote]So he resigned and it's her fault? Unless you know something, that doesn't make sense. Surely his decision to resign, governs when he leaves. Why didn't he wait until the season finished, if he loved the club so much. You can give me all the thumbs down you want. From the information given so far, it was his choice. turicky

10:57pm Thu 16 Jan 14

US Spitfire says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
It a football club, not a business........
Football these days IS a business. Shame a few more of the blue few don't realise this - If they did then they may be able stop your clubs slide into oblivion.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: It a football club, not a business........[/p][/quote]Football these days IS a business. Shame a few more of the blue few don't realise this - If they did then they may be able stop your clubs slide into oblivion. US Spitfire

12:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Bob Barnes says...

Never ever dispute the might of the Liebherr family, they will uphold & stick with the club Katharina will honour her fathers wishes without a doubt, money is not the issue here, she will always stand by his wishes, rest assured.
Never ever dispute the might of the Liebherr family, they will uphold & stick with the club Katharina will honour her fathers wishes without a doubt, money is not the issue here, she will always stand by his wishes, rest assured. Bob Barnes

4:02pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Oracle Section says...

Skating on thin ice wrote:
The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.
You appear to be very well appraised sir, keep the faith.
[quote][p][bold]Skating on thin ice[/bold] wrote: The article is not quite right. MALI MOTAN was one of the subsidiary companies that was liquidated during 2013. Katharina Liebherr is still in charge of the boards of the overall holding companies "MALI Holding" and "MALI International". However, Mr Cortese left the boards of these companies in October, apparently on the same date he started to work out his notice at the football club. I've told you all this information about the MALI companies as it developed during 2012-13, but you did not take any notice at the time.[/p][/quote]You appear to be very well appraised sir, keep the faith. Oracle Section

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