Southampton chairman Ralph Krueger talks about the departure of Mauricio Pochettino, the search for a new manager, and plans for the summer transfer window

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It’s been a rollercoaster few weeks for the new Saints chairman Ralph Krueger.

In the short time since the end of the season the man only appointed in March has seen massive bids come in for his star players, manager Mauricio Pochettino quit the club for Tottenham and come in for a bit of flack for keeping fans in the dark.

However, despite the trying times, Krueger fronted up and gave the Daily Echo’s chief sports writer, Adam Leitch, a one-on-one interview at St Mary’s.

No topic was banned from discussion as Krueger answered all the burning questions at Saints.

Here we bring the uncensored and unabridged transcript direct to you:

Q: It’s been a tough few days, what are your emotions and reflections at the moment?

A: I have to say we have moved forward very quickly with our management team after the decision from Pochettino. We have been clear in our communication that we are already working towards a solution so I am actually full of adrenaline right now. It’s a challenge we are taking head on and we wake up today actually excited about the future.

Q: Can you outline what has happened to lead to Mauricio leaving and what attempts you made to keep him here?

A: I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here. Clearly a contract was offered. At the same time we didn’t colour code anything, we were very honest in the process and he made his decision and we respect that and move on.

The importance of finding a new manager that is completely in line with our vision, our plan, where we want to go and how we want to get there is now our focus.

We feel we did what we could and that the process from our side was extremely transparent.

Q: Do you feel a bit let down by Mauricio?

A: I’m not going to speak for the others on the board but I have been in sports much too long to take anything personally. The only thing that interests us is the further development of the Saints, continuing to drive our vision to take this club into European football, continuing to grow this club. There is not time to feel sorry or feel disappointed or feel anything but excitement about where the club is right now – the strongest position we have ever been in as a club in its history. The work that still needs to be done to build on that is what’s driving us right now.

Q: Les Reed said he was comfortable and happy to wait until the summer to discuss a new contract with Mauricio and he left very soon after the end of the season. Was that tactic a mistake in hindsight?

A: You make your decisions all the time on the information that you have at that point in time. The focus on bringing the product on the field to the fan base, to our followers, was the dominant fact until the end of the Man United game. When we came in as a board we didn’t want to disrupt anything going on around the most important thing in the club, and that’s the football.

We stayed away from the football as much as we needed to and when it was asked we did for the quality of the product on the field. I believe we retained the quality of the product.

We found it extremely important to get the eighth place, we found it extremely important to play right until the finish line, which the club did, and then we began the next process. No, we don’t feel we made any mistakes because that was our focus and so we made all the other decisions connected to that. What was the main focus? football. But on May 12 that focus changed.

We will be eighth place all summer long but now we need to defend that, we need to build on it, so I don’t feel from a timing perspective if we remixed the cards we would do it any different.

Q: When did it become inevitable that Mauricio was going to leave?

A: It’s been a process and I have to say that pretty quickly it was clear and then the negotiations and the legalities of the whole situation consumed us and did drag on the final product.

It was pretty complex, of course, it wasn’t a simple cut.

I realise that now we are communicating and we were not able to in the process. At times we will not be able to communicate in the interests of the club and that’s what happened here but we are ready and well positioned for what is coming now.

Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.

The same group, right now 20 people – seven domestic, seven all over Europe and another six plus or minus in the office – in charge of recruitment, analysis and scouting.

What I wasn’t aware of was that they are not actually only doing this for players and building stats and profiles and video footage and data on players, they are doing the same on managers as part of their job.

Without emotion they are continually analysing potential candidates to work here in Southampton.

The interesting thing about that is that they are the same exact group that found Mauricio Pochettino, and at that time I have done some research and realise some people said ‘who? What? Where did he come from?’.

It’s the recruitment process here that is running non-stop that brought him here. This same group has been able to pull out a prospective long list and Les Reed has been inundated by high calibre requests from managers.

He has been bombarded and he needs to process it but at the same time it confirms how Southampton is positioned not only in England but in European football. We are in a really good place, people want to be here, people want to work here.

Players want to play here and we’ve got agents contacting him and not only for managers but for players.

It’s become a destination. People see you can grow and develop here.

So that’s a long answer, but you need to know the same people that found Pochettino have given us information and we are scanning that list right now.

We realise we need to be quick but not hasty...

Q: What is the time frame?

A: There is no date, but we would like to have a long list together as quickly as is healthily possible. The reason is that we would like the new manager to be involved in our player decisions.

We have held off on every single coming and going in respect that we have, and Les Reed especially has, for the new manager, that he can put his stamp on the team and influence the process.

It’s very important that we, once again I want to use the words, have controlled speed and not haste. We are going 24-7 right now and we hope to have a shortlist out there in the very near future. We are speaking days and not weeks.

Q: What can a new manager expect to find at the club with bids in for some of your star players and in terms of transfer funds?

A: First of all it’s very clear that we are in control. We are in control of all the player transfers. All the top players are under long term contracts.

Any transfers that take place will be under our terms. We will decide the terms to potential transfers in and out of the club.

We will involve the manager. That is important for everybody to know. That’s why we have been able to not agree to any transfers to date, because we have control of the situation, and anybody who is saying anything else doesn’t understand that we are in a strong position with the Saints.

Q: Do you need to sell anybody?

A: We do not need to. The fact of the matter is that there are many different factors that make people’s decisions, for instance with Pochettino.

We, after many months now, are extremely pleased with the foundation that we have here. We said from the start that we have to roll up our sleeves and work very hard and we have been doing that behind the scenes. There are some things that aren’t really sexy for the fans but are really important for the health and stability of the club.

We have an outstanding new chief commercial officer in Martin Semmens, the owner and founder of Elvis Communications in London, who’s building our commercial department.

We have Kate Terry, the new head of marketing, moving to us from Apple in London and a new chief financial officer coming.

Our executive board level has been rebuilt with Les (Reed) heading up the sports, Gareth (Rogers) as the CEO and with these two new appointments we have an unbelievable new and strong foundation built on the people we already found here. There’s a lot of good things happening in the club.

Q: People will likely understand that you couldn’t hold onto Mauricio once he told you he wanted to leave. If a senior player comes to you and there is a good offer on the table for them and they say they would like to move, despite a long contract, is it feasible to hold on to them?

A: That’s a very good question and the answer to that question is that the only person in the club who has all the information, and he is gathering it at a high pace right now, is Les Reed.

I want to say again that if transfers in either direction are in the best interest of the club, including all factors, then that’s what we have to do.

You made a good example of a difficult question but to answer that it will be in our mind as to what is best for the Saints and what is the best way for us to build a competitive team for August 16.

You need to consider all factors when you make those decisions and I’m sure Les will do that.

Q: Would a new manager, without player sales, expect to be able to recruit into the squad?

A: There will definitely be some changes to the squad and we have very exciting players tracked and, as much as we would like to give you a shortlist on managers, very soon we like to give you a shortlist on players.

We would like to underline again there is interest from all over Europe, in England and outside of England, with players who have shown interest in coming to Southampton, who want to play here, who see the opportunity of growth through the club.

In the end no one person is bigger than the club. This club is really a place to grow.

You look at the new academy and the first team facilities that are being built and the pitches and the rehab centre and the training centre and the sports science and everything happening out there in the New Forest and you can be nothing but excited about coming to this club and knowing that you will get better.

If it means that the odd player will leave as a result of the good process and the exciting situation we are in, or the manager leaves as ours did, then that is all a compliment to the work we are doing. When people want your people you are doing something right. People have an eye on the good things or the strengths of Southampton Football Club.

Q: In terms of a new manager do you have in mind a type of person – young and ambitious, older and more experienced, or are you open minded?

A: When you say ‘type of person’, this is an organisation that is working on very very deeply rooted values and principles.

They begin with the Liebherr family. Markus passed through to Katharina and they have run through the club now. We have redefined the ‘Southampton Way’ with our people – created by the people for them. As we go forward it’s a really well defined new vision, with strong values that we will eventually bring public and we need a manager who is in line with that, who wants to be an example and live these values right through the first team, into the academy, their training and coaching methods.

We will do everything in our power to find the person to fit that profile so we can’t say right now young or old, we are open to all ethnic backgrounds and all philosophies as long as they fit with the focus on youth, the focus on development, the focus on an exciting end product on the pitch for our fans.

Q: Finally then, there has been a lot of talk of the end of the initial five year plan, what is the plan going forward, the message for the fans and the ambitions you hope to see the club fulfil?

A: The plan is a permanently evolving entity. We have a plan, we are very well structured and organised and have extremely good people heading up that plan.

As we evolve we are continually strengthening and working on that plan.

Everybody needs to remember that we took over a club that had a lot of things off track and off canter, so first of all we needed to stabilise and I believe we have done that...

Q: To be clear, you mean when you took over in January?

A: Yes. It’s only been a few months. The vision has been very clear right through to the last person, and that is to take this club into European football. It is driving everything we do.

Why do we invest the money to have 20 recruiters and scouting staff? Why do we invest in a structure that costs more than £30m for first team training facility and the academy?

It’s because we want to grow, we want to develop and we want to get better and grow and compete with the top clubs in England.

We are going to have to compete our way. We are going to have to do it through youth, through our own player development, and I am going to watch four 19-year-olds from our academy play against Ukraine in the national team and that’s the way we can become a competitive team. That’s the way we can go to Europe.

That vision is driving everything else we do.

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6:08am Thu 29 May 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

Let"s hope you got on well and stop being negative to your local Premiership team !!!
Let"s hope you got on well and stop being negative to your local Premiership team !!! CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: 40

6:23am Thu 29 May 14

batesieboy says...

Wow! I liked what I read there. I wonder what things MR. K was referring to when he said "a lot of things off track"? Surely not just the cost of new training facilities? Anyway, this fills my heart with joy and confidence, we should all be upbeat and ready to see the Saints go marching on.
Wow! I liked what I read there. I wonder what things MR. K was referring to when he said "a lot of things off track"? Surely not just the cost of new training facilities? Anyway, this fills my heart with joy and confidence, we should all be upbeat and ready to see the Saints go marching on. batesieboy
  • Score: 74

6:32am Thu 29 May 14

Rupert Lowe's Backside says...

My two cents:

Reading between the lines, I am now certain MoPo was ready to leave after the Cortese sacking. He may have been placated, maybe contractually it may have cost him (pounds), and I think he probably thought my currency (as an up an coming manager) is still good I can wait until the end of the season for a better offer (effectively forcing Saints to up their offer, and therefore larger offers from other clubs - in this case Spurs)

Well played MoPo!

Liebherr/Kruger/Reed et al... the ball was never in your court to negotiate, as noted in the comment... 'I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here' -- He was gone long ago
My two cents: Reading between the lines, I am now certain MoPo was ready to leave after the Cortese sacking. He may have been placated, maybe contractually it may have cost him (pounds), and I think he probably thought my currency (as an up an coming manager) is still good I can wait until the end of the season for a better offer (effectively forcing Saints to up their offer, and therefore larger offers from other clubs - in this case Spurs) Well played MoPo! Liebherr/Kruger/Reed et al... the ball was never in your court to negotiate, as noted in the comment... 'I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here' -- He was gone long ago Rupert Lowe's Backside
  • Score: 46

6:32am Thu 29 May 14

hdfw09 says...

As a Saints fan in the United States, I am filled with hope. I have been to St. Mary's twice. I have grown fond of the city and the Saints. I was there when we clinched promotion to the Premier League and stormed the pitch with my fellow Saints fans. This interview leaves me feeling optimistic. I'm sure we will lose one key name, but I see the silver lining. We will invest. We will attract new talent. We will challenge for European football. I hope for stability. In the previous 18 months, we have sacked Nigel, Nicola resigned, we inherited a new board and MoPo resigned. We need stability. The future rests in Katharina's commitment to Markus' passion. Given the investment in the board, scouts and training ground, she is taking the necessary steps to show me she is committed. I respect what MoPo did for us, but there is always room for improvement. I wish him well, yet I want to win matches (score goals) when we have 65%+ possession. We can improve. I look forward to a very positive summer and to attending more matches in Southampton next year. Either I am making complete sense and am an eternal optimist, or the wine is too delicious right now. COYR!
As a Saints fan in the United States, I am filled with hope. I have been to St. Mary's twice. I have grown fond of the city and the Saints. I was there when we clinched promotion to the Premier League and stormed the pitch with my fellow Saints fans. This interview leaves me feeling optimistic. I'm sure we will lose one key name, but I see the silver lining. We will invest. We will attract new talent. We will challenge for European football. I hope for stability. In the previous 18 months, we have sacked Nigel, Nicola resigned, we inherited a new board and MoPo resigned. We need stability. The future rests in Katharina's commitment to Markus' passion. Given the investment in the board, scouts and training ground, she is taking the necessary steps to show me she is committed. I respect what MoPo did for us, but there is always room for improvement. I wish him well, yet I want to win matches (score goals) when we have 65%+ possession. We can improve. I look forward to a very positive summer and to attending more matches in Southampton next year. Either I am making complete sense and am an eternal optimist, or the wine is too delicious right now. COYR! hdfw09
  • Score: 141

6:40am Thu 29 May 14

KSO16R says...

Focused, organised and ambitious . . . We like that !
Focused, organised and ambitious . . . We like that ! KSO16R
  • Score: 52

6:42am Thu 29 May 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Some positive words there.
Europe being the plan.
IMO we need to get a manager first and resist ALL player deals (in and out) until the world cup is over.
I know that doesn't give a great deal of time before the season starts but we can then build the team around what we have left should players leave.
Also, quite happy with his words regarding youth - definately the way forward especially with FFP regulations coming in.
Some positive words there. Europe being the plan. IMO we need to get a manager first and resist ALL player deals (in and out) until the world cup is over. I know that doesn't give a great deal of time before the season starts but we can then build the team around what we have left should players leave. Also, quite happy with his words regarding youth - definately the way forward especially with FFP regulations coming in. SodburySaint93
  • Score: 42

6:44am Thu 29 May 14

Shareholder says...

This should all be good news to Saints fans. The vision clearly hasn't changed, we're looking for a manager of the highest calibre to get us into Europe, every player has his price and if it's the right thing for the club he'll be sold and new players will come in - even if current ones stay. So any player who wants to follow the Pochettino route of self centred decision taking will likely go. Those who want to continue on the fabulous journey and continue tobe signed up to the cclub's philosophy will stay. I'll take all that. I suspect there will be plenty though who will be on here complaining he hasn't said Shaw and Lallana are staying come what may and that we're going to spend afortune on new players. If those two leave it will be because they want to and not because the club is desperate to sell them. That's what the man is saying but many won't listen. I suspect the Echo might be one of them!
This should all be good news to Saints fans. The vision clearly hasn't changed, we're looking for a manager of the highest calibre to get us into Europe, every player has his price and if it's the right thing for the club he'll be sold and new players will come in - even if current ones stay. So any player who wants to follow the Pochettino route of self centred decision taking will likely go. Those who want to continue on the fabulous journey and continue tobe signed up to the cclub's philosophy will stay. I'll take all that. I suspect there will be plenty though who will be on here complaining he hasn't said Shaw and Lallana are staying come what may and that we're going to spend afortune on new players. If those two leave it will be because they want to and not because the club is desperate to sell them. That's what the man is saying but many won't listen. I suspect the Echo might be one of them! Shareholder
  • Score: 51

6:46am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!!
WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!! redandy10
  • Score: -118

6:52am Thu 29 May 14

Bitterne Park Tim says...

I Like...
I Like... Bitterne Park Tim
  • Score: 24

6:58am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action! Rising_Son
  • Score: 80

6:59am Thu 29 May 14

soton3009 says...

Firstly,very glad that the club have spoken. After all the turmoil this sort of thing was very much needed to,if nothing else,shut up the nationals for a while. Clearly it looks as though there will be out-goings. One of which is certain to be Osvaldo. If the new man comes in and thinks that he wants to keep the men valued at £30m and £25m,will the club be ok with that?.
Players coming in wise,certainly sounds like we are looking at the younger player. No more gambles on older ones as we are looking at developing in order to achieve Europe. The only cavaet for me is that this is all coming from a well renowned public speaker. He's brilliant at that! Guess we will see come September....
Firstly,very glad that the club have spoken. After all the turmoil this sort of thing was very much needed to,if nothing else,shut up the nationals for a while. Clearly it looks as though there will be out-goings. One of which is certain to be Osvaldo. If the new man comes in and thinks that he wants to keep the men valued at £30m and £25m,will the club be ok with that?. Players coming in wise,certainly sounds like we are looking at the younger player. No more gambles on older ones as we are looking at developing in order to achieve Europe. The only cavaet for me is that this is all coming from a well renowned public speaker. He's brilliant at that! Guess we will see come September.... soton3009
  • Score: 20

7:02am Thu 29 May 14

olddellsaint says...

J still think Moyes is our man.
J still think Moyes is our man. olddellsaint
  • Score: -49

7:13am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR! redandy10
  • Score: -88

7:16am Thu 29 May 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

We have heard the talk , Now lets see WHERE our future lies ! Top MANAGER , top place in the league and our stars still at St Mary s , or ANYBODY !! managing us and the slippery slope will be our future . We will all see clearly on how S.F.C. now react . C O Y R look to the future , make us proud
We have heard the talk , Now lets see WHERE our future lies ! Top MANAGER , top place in the league and our stars still at St Mary s , or ANYBODY !! managing us and the slippery slope will be our future . We will all see clearly on how S.F.C. now react . C O Y R look to the future , make us proud SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 10

7:19am Thu 29 May 14

Sammy2sheds says...

Scary very scary
This man does not know what he is talking about
He says "the plan" is......other people are working on that
He has no vision for our club and in his own words he is still learning his role wtf.
But the ending is the bit that sent a shiver down my spine
"We are going to compete our way,through youth ,through player development" translates to no big spending.
He also doesn't answer the question over whether the there will be recruitment he just says there will be a list and people want to play for us,that doesn't mean we are going to buy them.
He also says the"squad will change" " no one is bigger than the club" "this is a place to grow" that all says to me that we are a selling club or breeder for top clubs
This is pr tripe with double meaning phrases
It all sounds like a dodgy sales pitch
Les reed and this muppet are now running our club
Scary very scary
Scary very scary This man does not know what he is talking about He says "the plan" is......other people are working on that He has no vision for our club and in his own words he is still learning his role wtf. But the ending is the bit that sent a shiver down my spine "We are going to compete our way,through youth ,through player development" translates to no big spending. He also doesn't answer the question over whether the there will be recruitment he just says there will be a list and people want to play for us,that doesn't mean we are going to buy them. He also says the"squad will change" " no one is bigger than the club" "this is a place to grow" that all says to me that we are a selling club or breeder for top clubs This is pr tripe with double meaning phrases It all sounds like a dodgy sales pitch Les reed and this muppet are now running our club Scary very scary Sammy2sheds
  • Score: -87

7:22am Thu 29 May 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Could it be a target has already been identified and had a look at the club ready to bring in his own backroom staff and coaches - hence JD and PW being relieved of their duties.
Just saying.....
Could it be a target has already been identified and had a look at the club ready to bring in his own backroom staff and coaches - hence JD and PW being relieved of their duties. Just saying..... SodburySaint93
  • Score: 27

7:26am Thu 29 May 14

milton road says...

I think the players will look to see who Saints bring in before making a decision.
I think Poch would of gone at any time if what he percieved as a 'bigger' club came in. He used Saints as a stepping stone, just the same as he will use Spurs. He wants Real Madrid or Barcelona and Spurs is a bigger platform he feels to show his worth.
Note most of this was on SKY yesterday and there is part of his interview on video. With luck we will have a new manager in place by the time England's world cup ends.
The right appointment will calm the waters with the players and the fans.
I think the players will look to see who Saints bring in before making a decision. I think Poch would of gone at any time if what he percieved as a 'bigger' club came in. He used Saints as a stepping stone, just the same as he will use Spurs. He wants Real Madrid or Barcelona and Spurs is a bigger platform he feels to show his worth. Note most of this was on SKY yesterday and there is part of his interview on video. With luck we will have a new manager in place by the time England's world cup ends. The right appointment will calm the waters with the players and the fans. milton road
  • Score: 28

7:38am Thu 29 May 14

Golden_Salamander says...

Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view. Golden_Salamander
  • Score: 17

7:42am Thu 29 May 14

miltonarcher says...

Mmmm, of course there have been contacts from players agents, there are a lot of mediocre players looking for a club after being released. I think the message is that players will be sold. I fear for the club unless the board and new manager can persuade the likes of Shaw, Lallana, Spider, Lovren, Clyne that there is ambition here.
Mmmm, of course there have been contacts from players agents, there are a lot of mediocre players looking for a club after being released. I think the message is that players will be sold. I fear for the club unless the board and new manager can persuade the likes of Shaw, Lallana, Spider, Lovren, Clyne that there is ambition here. miltonarcher
  • Score: -5

7:44am Thu 29 May 14

aldermoorboy says...

believe, next season will be another great season.
believe, next season will be another great season. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 38

7:47am Thu 29 May 14

GX Saint says...

Well Cortese he is not. Is he really promising to communicate to us a short list of manager targets and another of player targets? The Cortese way was to tell us after it had happened and I actually preferred that. If Kruger is really going to give a running commentary on potential managers and players then that's somewhat surprising. And if he's not going to do that, then why did he say he would? He admitted that he was coming to terms with what's required in the role of Chairman and that's pretty scary too.
To me this entire interview was about communicating something after the silence re Pochettino - I like the positive tone, but some of the detail seems naïve.
Well Cortese he is not. Is he really promising to communicate to us a short list of manager targets and another of player targets? The Cortese way was to tell us after it had happened and I actually preferred that. If Kruger is really going to give a running commentary on potential managers and players then that's somewhat surprising. And if he's not going to do that, then why did he say he would? He admitted that he was coming to terms with what's required in the role of Chairman and that's pretty scary too. To me this entire interview was about communicating something after the silence re Pochettino - I like the positive tone, but some of the detail seems naïve. GX Saint
  • Score: -22

7:48am Thu 29 May 14

saint christopher says...

You'll never please or convince all the people all the time but Krueger has basically said everything that most fans wanted to hear.

We were devastated when Adkins was moved on and along with most of the media were quick to criticize Cortese for his appalling decision. We were wrong - so wrong to the extent many even now many have said they would welcome him back.

Similarly when Potch went most immediately turned on the board (muppets etc) but once again it appears we were wrong - indeed it increasingly appears that his leaving might in fact lead to the step up that we need. A silver lining in what initially appeared a very dark cloud.

Suddenly the the skies are not so grey, the flowers are beginning to bloom and I can hear bluebirds .... (I must stop as I can feel myself getting carried away). However in short we have many reasons to be very hopeful today, and although we won't all agree on the decisions that will be made in the coming weeks we can I think rest assured that they will have been made with the one aim of growing this club and continuing the dream.

It's still good to be a Saint's fan.
You'll never please or convince all the people all the time but Krueger has basically said everything that most fans wanted to hear. We were devastated when Adkins was moved on and along with most of the media were quick to criticize Cortese for his appalling decision. We were wrong - so wrong to the extent many even now many have said they would welcome him back. Similarly when Potch went most immediately turned on the board (muppets etc) but once again it appears we were wrong - indeed it increasingly appears that his leaving might in fact lead to the step up that we need. A silver lining in what initially appeared a very dark cloud. Suddenly the the skies are not so grey, the flowers are beginning to bloom and I can hear bluebirds .... (I must stop as I can feel myself getting carried away). However in short we have many reasons to be very hopeful today, and although we won't all agree on the decisions that will be made in the coming weeks we can I think rest assured that they will have been made with the one aim of growing this club and continuing the dream. It's still good to be a Saint's fan. saint christopher
  • Score: 47

7:48am Thu 29 May 14

Chipmonk1 says...

I've kept my powder dry until I heard the boards reaction. I believe Ralph and what he says regarding the ambition of saints. As for MoPo I was desperately hoping he would stay but wasn't confident. In years to come I don't think he will be held in any way in the high esteem of his many predecessors at the reigns unlike Adkins. The club is nowvtun by s group of talented individuals who each have a clearly defined role. Let's hope the next manager fits that bill. Finally, God I hope we stick it to Spurs at least twice next year and hopefully knock them out of a cup just for good measure.
I've kept my powder dry until I heard the boards reaction. I believe Ralph and what he says regarding the ambition of saints. As for MoPo I was desperately hoping he would stay but wasn't confident. In years to come I don't think he will be held in any way in the high esteem of his many predecessors at the reigns unlike Adkins. The club is nowvtun by s group of talented individuals who each have a clearly defined role. Let's hope the next manager fits that bill. Finally, God I hope we stick it to Spurs at least twice next year and hopefully knock them out of a cup just for good measure. Chipmonk1
  • Score: 56

8:00am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something? Rising_Son
  • Score: 10

8:01am Thu 29 May 14

Saint. says...

Very interesting read by RK, but still very controlled!

Positive are in abundance in it, but yet to be delivered! So let's hope for all Saints fans in the near future the actions match this!

It's good he has shown up MP for what he really is and what he was really doing all the time! He did this with class, and if all true MP will not last at spuds and shows why he obviously pushed Levy into a five year deal.

My word to RK. No point spending millions on training facility and youth team to let other clubs benefit from our hard work and money! Simply any of our players will stay if the environment is right to do so and your ambition of success is there! I.e. Give them no reason to want to be anywhere else. So RK even if you sale any of the players mentioned as you say under your control, you have technically failed in other areas to match what other clubs offer to attract them in the first place!

So the right man who plays in the right attacking high tempo manner we have been playing is also the massive key to not waste any development archived so far and show all the players nothing has changed apart from here we move on to the next level! Both Shaw and Lala would seriously consider this in reasons to stay! Let alone any high calibre manager would insist on it!!

Lastly RK, with all these new people employed in marketing the profile of the club. We'll YOU would make their work so much easier if you kept all the England players with Southampton FC! To market a club with three England internationals in the squad, and key ones at that! Added with two or three more pushing to be in the England squad! ( come on Jay!) . This alone is worth more money than anything else your trying to archive in the market place. So keeping them is obvious choice to move on on the pitch and off!
Very interesting read by RK, but still very controlled! Positive are in abundance in it, but yet to be delivered! So let's hope for all Saints fans in the near future the actions match this! It's good he has shown up MP for what he really is and what he was really doing all the time! He did this with class, and if all true MP will not last at spuds and shows why he obviously pushed Levy into a five year deal. My word to RK. No point spending millions on training facility and youth team to let other clubs benefit from our hard work and money! Simply any of our players will stay if the environment is right to do so and your ambition of success is there! I.e. Give them no reason to want to be anywhere else. So RK even if you sale any of the players mentioned as you say under your control, you have technically failed in other areas to match what other clubs offer to attract them in the first place! So the right man who plays in the right attacking high tempo manner we have been playing is also the massive key to not waste any development archived so far and show all the players nothing has changed apart from here we move on to the next level! Both Shaw and Lala would seriously consider this in reasons to stay! Let alone any high calibre manager would insist on it!! Lastly RK, with all these new people employed in marketing the profile of the club. We'll YOU would make their work so much easier if you kept all the England players with Southampton FC! To market a club with three England internationals in the squad, and key ones at that! Added with two or three more pushing to be in the England squad! ( come on Jay!) . This alone is worth more money than anything else your trying to archive in the market place. So keeping them is obvious choice to move on on the pitch and off! Saint.
  • Score: 20

8:02am Thu 29 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
To be fair, He has said clearly that the players and contracts side is lead by Les Reed, so if Les is the key man in any negotiations etc, it will depend how strong he is, rather than Ralph?
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.[/p][/quote]To be fair, He has said clearly that the players and contracts side is lead by Les Reed, so if Les is the key man in any negotiations etc, it will depend how strong he is, rather than Ralph? BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

8:03am Thu 29 May 14

JedSaint says...

Saints have tried two different approaches to compete. We finished 2nd in the top tier of English football bringing in players in the twilight of their careers... Keegan, Ball, etc. That wasn't sustainable in the long term as players had limited futures. More recently we have switch to developing our own home grown talent. This approach was challenged when we were in lower leagues and lacked financial backing and ambition as the real stars we developed were sold to bigger clubs. Now we are a strong premier league side with financial backing and European ambitions. It remains to be seen if we are able to convince our star players of this. If they stay, and this becomes the norm like what happened with Man United with Giggs and co, then maybe we will become the real deal challenging each season for a top four finish.
Saints have tried two different approaches to compete. We finished 2nd in the top tier of English football bringing in players in the twilight of their careers... Keegan, Ball, etc. That wasn't sustainable in the long term as players had limited futures. More recently we have switch to developing our own home grown talent. This approach was challenged when we were in lower leagues and lacked financial backing and ambition as the real stars we developed were sold to bigger clubs. Now we are a strong premier league side with financial backing and European ambitions. It remains to be seen if we are able to convince our star players of this. If they stay, and this becomes the norm like what happened with Man United with Giggs and co, then maybe we will become the real deal challenging each season for a top four finish. JedSaint
  • Score: 7

8:04am Thu 29 May 14

KSO16R says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
That made me smile . . Redinthefaceandy you should calm down a little
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]That made me smile . . Redinthefaceandy you should calm down a little KSO16R
  • Score: 6

8:04am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something? Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

8:09am Thu 29 May 14

fritzer says...

Do you mean the DE Charlie ?
Do you mean the DE Charlie ? fritzer
  • Score: 0

8:09am Thu 29 May 14

SiamSaint says...

Rupert Lowe's Backside wrote:
My two cents:

Reading between the lines, I am now certain MoPo was ready to leave after the Cortese sacking. He may have been placated, maybe contractually it may have cost him (pounds), and I think he probably thought my currency (as an up an coming manager) is still good I can wait until the end of the season for a better offer (effectively forcing Saints to up their offer, and therefore larger offers from other clubs - in this case Spurs)

Well played MoPo!

Liebherr/Kruger/Reed et al... the ball was never in your court to negotiate, as noted in the comment... 'I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here' -- He was gone long ago
Bang on
[quote][p][bold]Rupert Lowe's Backside[/bold] wrote: My two cents: Reading between the lines, I am now certain MoPo was ready to leave after the Cortese sacking. He may have been placated, maybe contractually it may have cost him (pounds), and I think he probably thought my currency (as an up an coming manager) is still good I can wait until the end of the season for a better offer (effectively forcing Saints to up their offer, and therefore larger offers from other clubs - in this case Spurs) Well played MoPo! Liebherr/Kruger/Reed et al... the ball was never in your court to negotiate, as noted in the comment... 'I have to underline that we did everything possible for a long period of time to keep Pochettino here' -- He was gone long ago[/p][/quote]Bang on SiamSaint
  • Score: 5

8:17am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is! redandy10
  • Score: -28

8:17am Thu 29 May 14

Jonny7oma says...

There's a lot on Les Reids shoulders just like there has been since Cortese took over and lets be honest, he's done well so far. I especially liked and was heartend by, the remark about the team of 20 or so people constantly looking not just for players but managers too. They've brought us Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino so far.
For me, I've brushed off the initial angst of someone leaving..... I'm looking forward again, even if Lallana and Shaw do go, as Ralph says, there's no one person bigger than the club. We'll unearth some more gems and take it from there. Only now we have to rub Pochittinos face in it. Not that I bear any grudges you understand......... Where would we be without someone to boo at games? North Korea probably.
There's a lot on Les Reids shoulders just like there has been since Cortese took over and lets be honest, he's done well so far. I especially liked and was heartend by, the remark about the team of 20 or so people constantly looking not just for players but managers too. They've brought us Pardew, Adkins and Pochettino so far. For me, I've brushed off the initial angst of someone leaving..... I'm looking forward again, even if Lallana and Shaw do go, as Ralph says, there's no one person bigger than the club. We'll unearth some more gems and take it from there. Only now we have to rub Pochittinos face in it. Not that I bear any grudges you understand......... Where would we be without someone to boo at games? North Korea probably. Jonny7oma
  • Score: 9

8:19am Thu 29 May 14

Dan Howard says...

There's a few things that come out of this. I think the key points for me are:
• The player scouting structure identifies potential managerial talent as a matter of course
• We have had unsolicited offers and enquiries from the agents of managers and players from across the UK and continental Europe
• We will have a managerial shortlist in a matter of days
• We don’t need to sell but we will anyway
• We will continue to play innovative and exciting football
• The plan is to leverage our training facilities and developmental reputation in order to get higher up the Premier League and into Europe
• The new manager will have to buy into the foregoing
So my conclusion is ‘more of the same’ in terms of the club’s development. Transfer budgets will be generated from player sales as we take young talent and develop it supplemented by eventually also selling on the products of our scouting system while continuing to buy younger talent under the radar of the UK ‘big five’; Liverpool MCFC, MUFC, Arsenal and Chelsea; for example Lovren, Wanyama and Jay Rod.
I’m fine with that approach because it emphasises sustainable growth based on talent development, aiming to punch above our financial weight.
If we stick to the course, then you can bet that the scrapping among the top 5 will produce managerial instability in 2 of the 5 in any given year driven by a model based on buying success rather than growing it. Spurs will also try to buy their way into the top 5 hoping good young, or in the case of Harry, old managers can make the most of that bought in talent. Spurs will have occasional success but they don’t have the infrastructure of Arsenal so will always come up short, agonise over it and wonder why.

Being realistic about our position, the Krueger interview is quite positive though he might be advised to drop some of the convoluted language. I’m reminded of Donald Rumsfeld. “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.”

Yes Ralph....fewer words and and a bit more direct please!
There's a few things that come out of this. I think the key points for me are: • The player scouting structure identifies potential managerial talent as a matter of course • We have had unsolicited offers and enquiries from the agents of managers and players from across the UK and continental Europe • We will have a managerial shortlist in a matter of days • We don’t need to sell but we will anyway • We will continue to play innovative and exciting football • The plan is to leverage our training facilities and developmental reputation in order to get higher up the Premier League and into Europe • The new manager will have to buy into the foregoing So my conclusion is ‘more of the same’ in terms of the club’s development. Transfer budgets will be generated from player sales as we take young talent and develop it supplemented by eventually also selling on the products of our scouting system while continuing to buy younger talent under the radar of the UK ‘big five’; Liverpool MCFC, MUFC, Arsenal and Chelsea; for example Lovren, Wanyama and Jay Rod. I’m fine with that approach because it emphasises sustainable growth based on talent development, aiming to punch above our financial weight. If we stick to the course, then you can bet that the scrapping among the top 5 will produce managerial instability in 2 of the 5 in any given year driven by a model based on buying success rather than growing it. Spurs will also try to buy their way into the top 5 hoping good young, or in the case of Harry, old managers can make the most of that bought in talent. Spurs will have occasional success but they don’t have the infrastructure of Arsenal so will always come up short, agonise over it and wonder why. Being realistic about our position, the Krueger interview is quite positive though he might be advised to drop some of the convoluted language. I’m reminded of Donald Rumsfeld. “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.” Yes Ralph....fewer words and and a bit more direct please! Dan Howard
  • Score: 7

8:25am Thu 29 May 14

richard903 says...

MP used saints as a stepping stone, I am upset as I liked him. But in fairness to him saints used Atkins as a stepping stone too. Its time to stop using people, lets get a manager who not only pushes us forward but gives stability at the same time. The only time I like saints to be in the news is when we have won a game. Ralph seems a little out of his depth, so our future relys on the skills of Les Reed, fingers crossed then. I surpose he is a least a football man, in the past we relied on Rupert and his hocky stick. On monday I bought last seasons home shirt for £15 and had potty chino's name put on the back, theres a metafor there but I cant see it. Onwards and upwards COYS
MP used saints as a stepping stone, I am upset as I liked him. But in fairness to him saints used Atkins as a stepping stone too. Its time to stop using people, lets get a manager who not only pushes us forward but gives stability at the same time. The only time I like saints to be in the news is when we have won a game. Ralph seems a little out of his depth, so our future relys on the skills of Les Reed, fingers crossed then. I surpose he is a least a football man, in the past we relied on Rupert and his hocky stick. On monday I bought last seasons home shirt for £15 and had potty chino's name put on the back, theres a metafor there but I cant see it. Onwards and upwards COYS richard903
  • Score: 4

8:32am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Is it untrue or something?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something? Rising_Son
  • Score: 8

8:35am Thu 29 May 14

mgprobert says...

Three things:
1. For an exclusive interview it sounded very much like the one on Sky - I guess the questions are always going to be similar
2. I like RK but for a man who's only vocabulary is marketing speak the phrase image of constantly improving growth isn't something to get the blood racing as a vision statement.
3. To suggest everything was put to one side and not spoken about until after the Man Utd game is a slight insult to our intelligence - or incredibly niaive
Three things: 1. For an exclusive interview it sounded very much like the one on Sky - I guess the questions are always going to be similar 2. I like RK but for a man who's only vocabulary is marketing speak the phrase image of constantly improving growth isn't something to get the blood racing as a vision statement. 3. To suggest everything was put to one side and not spoken about until after the Man Utd game is a slight insult to our intelligence - or incredibly niaive mgprobert
  • Score: 0

8:37am Thu 29 May 14

pitbull says...

If any player or manager is adamant they don't want to be at Saints I say sell them for the best money. If they haven't got Saints in their heart, let 'em go.
It's quite a possibility that any of the top seven clubs could have a season like Man Utd did last year so it'll be a gamble for any of the players that want to play for a team in the Champions League.

Poch, potchy , poochy, WHO?
If any player or manager is adamant they don't want to be at Saints I say sell them for the best money. If they haven't got Saints in their heart, let 'em go. It's quite a possibility that any of the top seven clubs could have a season like Man Utd did last year so it'll be a gamble for any of the players that want to play for a team in the Champions League. Poch, potchy , poochy, WHO? pitbull
  • Score: 10

8:38am Thu 29 May 14

Jesus_02 says...

I’m not convinced… sorry. On one hand he says that he is still learning and in another he says that they needed to stabilise. On one hand, he was surprised with the work that the scouts where doing, and on the other it is a great example of how we are investing in talent.

I think despite his detractors, Cortese did some really good work here we just need make sure that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am unsure that we need to re-define “The Southampton Way” before we appoint a new manager to suite it.
I’m not convinced… sorry. On one hand he says that he is still learning and in another he says that they needed to stabilise. On one hand, he was surprised with the work that the scouts where doing, and on the other it is a great example of how we are investing in talent. I think despite his detractors, Cortese did some really good work here we just need make sure that we don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. I am unsure that we need to re-define “The Southampton Way” before we appoint a new manager to suite it. Jesus_02
  • Score: -10

8:50am Thu 29 May 14

Dubsaint says...

Yes there are anomolies here and in these I think we find some of the real truth.
The new board aparently took over a terrible situation - but one that led us to 8th in the league. Listen up Ralph - the new board will be judged by how much higher Saints are this time next season.
Of the course a chairman has to talk of ambition etc, what else would he say - but sounds like we are relying on youth = no big signings to my ears.
Sorry but too much big corporate clap trap being spouted here for me. Ultimately be are building a team and we all know to move on from here we need to keep the current team together and add 1 or 2 more quality players whilst replacing Poch with someone with similar style ambition and rapour with our players. Less than that and I fear we faulter - margins between success and failure are that tight in the PL.
Yes there are anomolies here and in these I think we find some of the real truth. The new board aparently took over a terrible situation - but one that led us to 8th in the league. Listen up Ralph - the new board will be judged by how much higher Saints are this time next season. Of the course a chairman has to talk of ambition etc, what else would he say - but sounds like we are relying on youth = no big signings to my ears. Sorry but too much big corporate clap trap being spouted here for me. Ultimately be are building a team and we all know to move on from here we need to keep the current team together and add 1 or 2 more quality players whilst replacing Poch with someone with similar style ambition and rapour with our players. Less than that and I fear we faulter - margins between success and failure are that tight in the PL. Dubsaint
  • Score: 3

8:54am Thu 29 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm!

Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.
It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 3

8:58am Thu 29 May 14

Alicesdad says...

It's interesting as far as it goes and in fairness what do you expect?
There is simply commercial sensitivity about player and manager negotiations that cannot and will not be made public. It would be ridiculous to expect otherwise. This is a a football club and the fan base is valuable as it it's the source of income. But this is also a huge business dealing in very large financial numbers indeed and if you expect more than that and some kind of detailed inside track then you are deluded.

So I'm pleased to see more communication, it's part of business packaging for a major big league business. But in reality I still don't know what's going on .. What's happening?
It's interesting as far as it goes and in fairness what do you expect? There is simply commercial sensitivity about player and manager negotiations that cannot and will not be made public. It would be ridiculous to expect otherwise. This is a a football club and the fan base is valuable as it it's the source of income. But this is also a huge business dealing in very large financial numbers indeed and if you expect more than that and some kind of detailed inside track then you are deluded. So I'm pleased to see more communication, it's part of business packaging for a major big league business. But in reality I still don't know what's going on .. What's happening? Alicesdad
  • Score: 5

8:59am Thu 29 May 14

pitbull says...

I don't want a manager that uses us as a stepping stone to a top European club.
I want a manager to turn Southampton FC into a top European club.
I don't want a manager that uses us as a stepping stone to a top European club. I want a manager to turn Southampton FC into a top European club. pitbull
  • Score: 18

9:05am Thu 29 May 14

InCortesewetrust says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up. InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 4

9:06am Thu 29 May 14

Doha Saints says...

Positive interview, Now lets get a new manager to take us to a new higher level. Still great to be a Saints fan.COYS
Positive interview, Now lets get a new manager to take us to a new higher level. Still great to be a Saints fan.COYS Doha Saints
  • Score: 4

9:06am Thu 29 May 14

mickey01 says...

he would be good in politics , he says what people want to hear and i will wait with bated breath to see if he does what it says on the tin
he would be good in politics , he says what people want to hear and i will wait with bated breath to see if he does what it says on the tin mickey01
  • Score: 1

9:11am Thu 29 May 14

CHARLIE TAYLOR says...

fritzer wrote:
Do you mean the DE Charlie ?
Of course
[quote][p][bold]fritzer[/bold] wrote: Do you mean the DE Charlie ?[/p][/quote]Of course CHARLIE TAYLOR
  • Score: 0

9:11am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up.
No Yorkie bars over here.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up.[/p][/quote]No Yorkie bars over here. Rising_Son
  • Score: -3

9:14am Thu 29 May 14

right back in the bar says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters . right back in the bar
  • Score: 2

9:14am Thu 29 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited!

When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell.

Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose.

To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important?

I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer.

But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility.

That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...
Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited! When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell. Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose. To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important? I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer. But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility. That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go... BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 11

9:14am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

mickey01 wrote:
he would be good in politics , he says what people want to hear and i will wait with bated breath to see if he does what it says on the tin
What tin?
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: he would be good in politics , he says what people want to hear and i will wait with bated breath to see if he does what it says on the tin[/p][/quote]What tin? Rising_Son
  • Score: -8

9:19am Thu 29 May 14

Malcombe says...

saint christopher

Lovely comment agree with you with one exception, (Oh what's that I hear you say?) You can hear Bluebirds? what do you have a a bird of Paradise or perhaps Blue Tits ? Seriously we all move on and the Board will want to keep up the mission of onwards and upwards hopefully with a sincere and honest and loyal person for a Coach & Manager, the Players were gutted when Nigel was sacked and didn't have a clue who Potchettino was but it didn't take them long to adjust, they know they have a job and will welcome and respect the next Manager, he to may need a Interpretor so possibly David speaks French and German and will still have a job because vain Potchettino may start and continue in English with his first interview of Bulls dung to fool his Employers and Supporters about his future with Spurs and David will be unemployed.

I'm sure we all knew that interviews with the vain Potchettino (I use to love him and thought the Sun shone out of his until this week when he quit and the true facts without his words were exposed) took twice as long as all the other Premiership Managers however it could be necessary again if the Swiss Coach is chosen because he doesn't speak English but Koeman does as English is the Dutch 2nd language COYR let's start another exciting 5 year plan what's gone is history some good some not so good that's life.
saint christopher Lovely comment agree with you with one exception, (Oh what's that I hear you say?) You can hear Bluebirds? what do you have a a bird of Paradise or perhaps Blue Tits ? Seriously we all move on and the Board will want to keep up the mission of onwards and upwards hopefully with a sincere and honest and loyal person for a Coach & Manager, the Players were gutted when Nigel was sacked and didn't have a clue who Potchettino was but it didn't take them long to adjust, they know they have a job and will welcome and respect the next Manager, he to may need a Interpretor so possibly David speaks French and German and will still have a job because vain Potchettino may start and continue in English with his first interview of Bulls dung to fool his Employers and Supporters about his future with Spurs and David will be unemployed. I'm sure we all knew that interviews with the vain Potchettino (I use to love him and thought the Sun shone out of his until this week when he quit and the true facts without his words were exposed) took twice as long as all the other Premiership Managers however it could be necessary again if the Swiss Coach is chosen because he doesn't speak English but Koeman does as English is the Dutch 2nd language COYR let's start another exciting 5 year plan what's gone is history some good some not so good that's life. Malcombe
  • Score: 3

9:26am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Malcombe wrote:
saint christopher

Lovely comment agree with you with one exception, (Oh what's that I hear you say?) You can hear Bluebirds? what do you have a a bird of Paradise or perhaps Blue Tits ? Seriously we all move on and the Board will want to keep up the mission of onwards and upwards hopefully with a sincere and honest and loyal person for a Coach & Manager, the Players were gutted when Nigel was sacked and didn't have a clue who Potchettino was but it didn't take them long to adjust, they know they have a job and will welcome and respect the next Manager, he to may need a Interpretor so possibly David speaks French and German and will still have a job because vain Potchettino may start and continue in English with his first interview of Bulls dung to fool his Employers and Supporters about his future with Spurs and David will be unemployed.

I'm sure we all knew that interviews with the vain Potchettino (I use to love him and thought the Sun shone out of his until this week when he quit and the true facts without his words were exposed) took twice as long as all the other Premiership Managers however it could be necessary again if the Swiss Coach is chosen because he doesn't speak English but Koeman does as English is the Dutch 2nd language COYR let's start another exciting 5 year plan what's gone is history some good some not so good that's life.
English seems to be a national lingua franca in Switzerland, so I'd be surprised if he didn't speak English.
[quote][p][bold]Malcombe[/bold] wrote: saint christopher Lovely comment agree with you with one exception, (Oh what's that I hear you say?) You can hear Bluebirds? what do you have a a bird of Paradise or perhaps Blue Tits ? Seriously we all move on and the Board will want to keep up the mission of onwards and upwards hopefully with a sincere and honest and loyal person for a Coach & Manager, the Players were gutted when Nigel was sacked and didn't have a clue who Potchettino was but it didn't take them long to adjust, they know they have a job and will welcome and respect the next Manager, he to may need a Interpretor so possibly David speaks French and German and will still have a job because vain Potchettino may start and continue in English with his first interview of Bulls dung to fool his Employers and Supporters about his future with Spurs and David will be unemployed. I'm sure we all knew that interviews with the vain Potchettino (I use to love him and thought the Sun shone out of his until this week when he quit and the true facts without his words were exposed) took twice as long as all the other Premiership Managers however it could be necessary again if the Swiss Coach is chosen because he doesn't speak English but Koeman does as English is the Dutch 2nd language COYR let's start another exciting 5 year plan what's gone is history some good some not so good that's life.[/p][/quote]English seems to be a national lingua franca in Switzerland, so I'd be surprised if he didn't speak English. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

9:30am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited!

When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell.

Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose.

To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important?

I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer.

But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility.

That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...
Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited! When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell. Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose. To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important? I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer. But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility. That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...[/p][/quote]Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

9:32am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
Another conspiracy theorist.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .[/p][/quote]Another conspiracy theorist. Rising_Son
  • Score: -2

9:38am Thu 29 May 14

THE12THMAN says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.
Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.[/p][/quote]Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 5

9:43am Thu 29 May 14

St.Gaz says...

Very safe interview planed questions and planed responses
No real tuff questions
If players are sold and they will be!
Will the money's made be given to the new manager to improve the current squad?
What do the club intend to do to make sure that we Southampton FC are not used again by the new manager as a steeping stone to the so called bigger club?
And it's ok to have a new and exciting players coming out of new and excitng acadamy but what's being done to hang on the new lallana's and shaw's what's to stop them leaving for bigger and better wages?
As it stand we will be back in the same situation in another 16 months if these problems are not addressed!!!!
These were the sort of questions the fans wanted answered!
St.Gaz
Very safe interview planed questions and planed responses No real tuff questions If players are sold and they will be! Will the money's made be given to the new manager to improve the current squad? What do the club intend to do to make sure that we Southampton FC are not used again by the new manager as a steeping stone to the so called bigger club? And it's ok to have a new and exciting players coming out of new and excitng acadamy but what's being done to hang on the new lallana's and shaw's what's to stop them leaving for bigger and better wages? As it stand we will be back in the same situation in another 16 months if these problems are not addressed!!!! These were the sort of questions the fans wanted answered! St.Gaz St.Gaz
  • Score: 0

9:43am Thu 29 May 14

Confucious says...

I must admit I was a great fan of MoPo - but I really should have known better and trusted my experience and instincts.

I recall some years back I was shocked and very saddened to see a ragged looking beggar sat outside Sainsburys in Ringwood with a sign reading "Falklands War Veteran". Near brought me to tears it did.

And such was my sympathy aroused that I handed him fifty quid no less.

Anyhow, he snatched it and ran off shouting "Munchas gracias senor!"
I must admit I was a great fan of MoPo - but I really should have known better and trusted my experience and instincts. I recall some years back I was shocked and very saddened to see a ragged looking beggar sat outside Sainsburys in Ringwood with a sign reading "Falklands War Veteran". Near brought me to tears it did. And such was my sympathy aroused that I handed him fifty quid no less. Anyhow, he snatched it and ran off shouting "Munchas gracias senor!" Confucious
  • Score: 21

9:48am Thu 29 May 14

smuggins says...

Shareholder wrote:
This should all be good news to Saints fans. The vision clearly hasn't changed, we're looking for a manager of the highest calibre to get us into Europe, every player has his price and if it's the right thing for the club he'll be sold and new players will come in - even if current ones stay. So any player who wants to follow the Pochettino route of self centred decision taking will likely go. Those who want to continue on the fabulous journey and continue tobe signed up to the cclub's philosophy will stay. I'll take all that. I suspect there will be plenty though who will be on here complaining he hasn't said Shaw and Lallana are staying come what may and that we're going to spend afortune on new players. If those two leave it will be because they want to and not because the club is desperate to sell them. That's what the man is saying but many won't listen. I suspect the Echo might be one of them!
Only if it is in the best interests of the Club.I like that and take that to mean our best players who are on long contracts will not be allowed to leave.People who say you can not stop them are talking rubbish.You only have to go back a year to the Suarez situation.Liverpool and Rogers dug their heals in and look where they are now.
[quote][p][bold]Shareholder[/bold] wrote: This should all be good news to Saints fans. The vision clearly hasn't changed, we're looking for a manager of the highest calibre to get us into Europe, every player has his price and if it's the right thing for the club he'll be sold and new players will come in - even if current ones stay. So any player who wants to follow the Pochettino route of self centred decision taking will likely go. Those who want to continue on the fabulous journey and continue tobe signed up to the cclub's philosophy will stay. I'll take all that. I suspect there will be plenty though who will be on here complaining he hasn't said Shaw and Lallana are staying come what may and that we're going to spend afortune on new players. If those two leave it will be because they want to and not because the club is desperate to sell them. That's what the man is saying but many won't listen. I suspect the Echo might be one of them![/p][/quote]Only if it is in the best interests of the Club.I like that and take that to mean our best players who are on long contracts will not be allowed to leave.People who say you can not stop them are talking rubbish.You only have to go back a year to the Suarez situation.Liverpool and Rogers dug their heals in and look where they are now. smuggins
  • Score: 1

9:49am Thu 29 May 14

Thankyounicola says...

I don't want to sound negative but this is the sort of hot air lot of motivational speakers from North America blow. He agrees he is on a learning curve. Top half of premier league is not a place to learn and react to a scenario but to foresee that scenario well in advance .

That is what Nicola did so well. The man was planning so much ahead of everyone else including his peers in premier league. Ralph may disagree but
crash course or a masterclass in football management from Nicola will do him no harm at all(contact him he's in Milan apparently)
Yes Ralph all the players are on long term contracts because The don had foreseen this day and tied them all down!! Remember The don says if u sell a young player then u sell your ambition.

Let me make it clear I don't for a second doubt the good intentions of Ralph and KL.

Except Hooiveld I don't see a reason why any player should go. How can you think of selling an inspirational captain like lallana?? The lad has saints in his blood. Do what Liverpool did with Suarez. Do not let players like Adam and Luke leave!! Show them the dream and invoke the saints spirit. The same spirit that was on display on the pitch last season.
I don't want to sound negative but this is the sort of hot air lot of motivational speakers from North America blow. He agrees he is on a learning curve. Top half of premier league is not a place to learn and react to a scenario but to foresee that scenario well in advance . That is what Nicola did so well. The man was planning so much ahead of everyone else including his peers in premier league. Ralph may disagree but crash course or a masterclass in football management from Nicola will do him no harm at all(contact him he's in Milan apparently) Yes Ralph all the players are on long term contracts because The don had foreseen this day and tied them all down!! Remember The don says if u sell a young player then u sell your ambition. Let me make it clear I don't for a second doubt the good intentions of Ralph and KL. Except Hooiveld I don't see a reason why any player should go. How can you think of selling an inspirational captain like lallana?? The lad has saints in his blood. Do what Liverpool did with Suarez. Do not let players like Adam and Luke leave!! Show them the dream and invoke the saints spirit. The same spirit that was on display on the pitch last season. Thankyounicola
  • Score: 9

9:51am Thu 29 May 14

Buddy SFC says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.
Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.
But they don't get £80 million a year from TV rights ............

Brilliant interview, they are now building a strong and sustainable club with a view of selling SFC round the world ......... NC was brilliant for what he achieved but it was not sustainable because it was all built on and around himself not a strong group ...........

This is about the Club, not one or two individuals, recoup £60-70 million from key sales and invest in a stronger squad !

CAN'T WAIT !
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.[/p][/quote]Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.[/p][/quote]But they don't get £80 million a year from TV rights ............ Brilliant interview, they are now building a strong and sustainable club with a view of selling SFC round the world ......... NC was brilliant for what he achieved but it was not sustainable because it was all built on and around himself not a strong group ........... This is about the Club, not one or two individuals, recoup £60-70 million from key sales and invest in a stronger squad ! CAN'T WAIT ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 6

9:52am Thu 29 May 14

Blackwaterblue says...

David Moyes would be the ideal, long term manager. (As Andy Awford is busy right now)
David Moyes would be the ideal, long term manager. (As Andy Awford is busy right now) Blackwaterblue
  • Score: -16

9:52am Thu 29 May 14

IOAD says...

Oh yeah! Business-speak always makes me hard!
Oh yeah! Business-speak always makes me hard! IOAD
  • Score: 2

9:55am Thu 29 May 14

BigBugBuzzz says...

Rising_Son wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited!

When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell.

Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose.

To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important?

I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer.

But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility.

That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...
Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted.
Yes, but like I said, when there is no liquidity reason to sell, then that type of error is not so important. Certainly from the perspective of fans and immediate on-field performance.

It is an interesting question what is most costly. For a company whose revenues come in great part from the psychological state of fans, I do think accepting bids that should not be accepted is worse.

But perhaps I should add, this goes especially for players fans admire more.

For the Osvaldo's of this world, not so much. For that type of player the cost of rejecting bids that should be accepted is probably greater.

So, the psychology of fans is paramount! I think in the current situation, we should tread very, very carefully before accepting bids... In fact, I think the margin of safety that we need is so great, that trades are currently impossible. Our current best players are really that exceptional.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited! When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell. Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose. To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important? I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer. But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility. That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...[/p][/quote]Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted.[/p][/quote]Yes, but like I said, when there is no liquidity reason to sell, then that type of error is not so important. Certainly from the perspective of fans and immediate on-field performance. It is an interesting question what is most costly. For a company whose revenues come in great part from the psychological state of fans, I do think accepting bids that should not be accepted is worse. But perhaps I should add, this goes especially for players fans admire more. For the Osvaldo's of this world, not so much. For that type of player the cost of rejecting bids that should be accepted is probably greater. So, the psychology of fans is paramount! I think in the current situation, we should tread very, very carefully before accepting bids... In fact, I think the margin of safety that we need is so great, that trades are currently impossible. Our current best players are really that exceptional. BigBugBuzzz
  • Score: 1

9:56am Thu 29 May 14

zambucco says...

I have more faith and trust in this board, than I ever did with the big dream painter Cortese, I'm sure he would have led us the Pompey Way.

I can't help but be excited by this interview and our future, I think Pochettinwho? has done us a favour. I'm not even fearful of losing a Shaw or Lallana now. We've lost brilliant players and managers before and continued to grow, this will continue to happen

COYR!!!
I have more faith and trust in this board, than I ever did with the big dream painter Cortese, I'm sure he would have led us the Pompey Way. I can't help but be excited by this interview and our future, I think Pochettinwho? has done us a favour. I'm not even fearful of losing a Shaw or Lallana now. We've lost brilliant players and managers before and continued to grow, this will continue to happen COYR!!! zambucco
  • Score: 7

9:57am Thu 29 May 14

costa gaz says...

Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto.
"Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!!

For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club.......

The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages...
Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits.
They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable.

I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits.

It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.
Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto. "Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!! For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club....... The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages... Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits. They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable. I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits. It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision. costa gaz
  • Score: 2

10:06am Thu 29 May 14

St.Gaz says...

Gone are the days of old and saints just being a selling club! Now we are a high (profile) selling club? lol
Gone are the days of old and saints just being a selling club! Now we are a high (profile) selling club? lol St.Gaz
  • Score: 4

10:14am Thu 29 May 14

Thankyounicola says...

Sorry forgot to mention Jay/Morgan/lovren/cl
yne and rest of them. These are gems. the future for saints
Sorry forgot to mention Jay/Morgan/lovren/cl yne and rest of them. These are gems. the future for saints Thankyounicola
  • Score: 0

10:16am Thu 29 May 14

george chivers says...

Dan Howard wrote:
There's a few things that come out of this. I think the key points for me are:
• The player scouting structure identifies potential managerial talent as a matter of course
• We have had unsolicited offers and enquiries from the agents of managers and players from across the UK and continental Europe
• We will have a managerial shortlist in a matter of days
• We don’t need to sell but we will anyway
• We will continue to play innovative and exciting football
• The plan is to leverage our training facilities and developmental reputation in order to get higher up the Premier League and into Europe
• The new manager will have to buy into the foregoing
So my conclusion is ‘more of the same’ in terms of the club’s development. Transfer budgets will be generated from player sales as we take young talent and develop it supplemented by eventually also selling on the products of our scouting system while continuing to buy younger talent under the radar of the UK ‘big five’; Liverpool MCFC, MUFC, Arsenal and Chelsea; for example Lovren, Wanyama and Jay Rod.
I’m fine with that approach because it emphasises sustainable growth based on talent development, aiming to punch above our financial weight.
If we stick to the course, then you can bet that the scrapping among the top 5 will produce managerial instability in 2 of the 5 in any given year driven by a model based on buying success rather than growing it. Spurs will also try to buy their way into the top 5 hoping good young, or in the case of Harry, old managers can make the most of that bought in talent. Spurs will have occasional success but they don’t have the infrastructure of Arsenal so will always come up short, agonise over it and wonder why.

Being realistic about our position, the Krueger interview is quite positive though he might be advised to drop some of the convoluted language. I’m reminded of Donald Rumsfeld. “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.”

Yes Ralph....fewer words and and a bit more direct please!
Good analysis. And I like your Donald Rumsfeld analogy, for a moment I thought I was back working for an American Corporation. If only he had ended by saying 'I want you to burn that message into your cerebral cortex.'

Perhaps he should add a translation team to his communications team in addition to his recruitment team.

I'm glad he has at last communicated what appears to be a positive message to the fans. I think his slowness in doing that shows the club knew MOPO was likely to be on his way out after Cortese left.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Howard[/bold] wrote: There's a few things that come out of this. I think the key points for me are: • The player scouting structure identifies potential managerial talent as a matter of course • We have had unsolicited offers and enquiries from the agents of managers and players from across the UK and continental Europe • We will have a managerial shortlist in a matter of days • We don’t need to sell but we will anyway • We will continue to play innovative and exciting football • The plan is to leverage our training facilities and developmental reputation in order to get higher up the Premier League and into Europe • The new manager will have to buy into the foregoing So my conclusion is ‘more of the same’ in terms of the club’s development. Transfer budgets will be generated from player sales as we take young talent and develop it supplemented by eventually also selling on the products of our scouting system while continuing to buy younger talent under the radar of the UK ‘big five’; Liverpool MCFC, MUFC, Arsenal and Chelsea; for example Lovren, Wanyama and Jay Rod. I’m fine with that approach because it emphasises sustainable growth based on talent development, aiming to punch above our financial weight. If we stick to the course, then you can bet that the scrapping among the top 5 will produce managerial instability in 2 of the 5 in any given year driven by a model based on buying success rather than growing it. Spurs will also try to buy their way into the top 5 hoping good young, or in the case of Harry, old managers can make the most of that bought in talent. Spurs will have occasional success but they don’t have the infrastructure of Arsenal so will always come up short, agonise over it and wonder why. Being realistic about our position, the Krueger interview is quite positive though he might be advised to drop some of the convoluted language. I’m reminded of Donald Rumsfeld. “There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.” Yes Ralph....fewer words and and a bit more direct please![/p][/quote]Good analysis. And I like your Donald Rumsfeld analogy, for a moment I thought I was back working for an American Corporation. If only he had ended by saying 'I want you to burn that message into your cerebral cortex.' Perhaps he should add a translation team to his communications team in addition to his recruitment team. I'm glad he has at last communicated what appears to be a positive message to the fans. I think his slowness in doing that shows the club knew MOPO was likely to be on his way out after Cortese left. george chivers
  • Score: 3

10:16am Thu 29 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
Sorry I was keeping out of this as redandy really isn't worth wasting my time on, but back in the bar has really annoyed the hell out of me.
Armchair supporters? Whats that meant to mean?
I didn't realise that only fans who go to games are allowed to comment, I suppose going by that, those with season tickets views and opinions are far more important than those who just go to the games they are able to.
Sorry all our overseas fans but right back in the bar thinks your opinions don't count as you are all just armchair supporters, yes I know you get up at stupid o'clock in the mornings or stay up really late to watch our game on tv or listen via saints player, which costs you money, and some of you travel a lot and long distances but you are just best ignored! I wonder if the same applies to people who just cant afford to go? Or disabled fans who cant travel to games? What about those who have no choice but to work on match days? Do all there opinions count for nothing?
HEB, being a season ticket holder your opinion counts so perhaps you could ask!
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .[/p][/quote]Sorry I was keeping out of this as redandy really isn't worth wasting my time on, but back in the bar has really annoyed the hell out of me. Armchair supporters? Whats that meant to mean? I didn't realise that only fans who go to games are allowed to comment, I suppose going by that, those with season tickets views and opinions are far more important than those who just go to the games they are able to. Sorry all our overseas fans but right back in the bar thinks your opinions don't count as you are all just armchair supporters, yes I know you get up at stupid o'clock in the mornings or stay up really late to watch our game on tv or listen via saints player, which costs you money, and some of you travel a lot and long distances but you are just best ignored! I wonder if the same applies to people who just cant afford to go? Or disabled fans who cant travel to games? What about those who have no choice but to work on match days? Do all there opinions count for nothing? HEB, being a season ticket holder your opinion counts so perhaps you could ask! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 16

10:21am Thu 29 May 14

Thankyounicola says...

Don't you dare let Poch poach any of out players Ralph. Don't u dare let that happen. You need to show who the boss is now that he has left!!!
Don't you dare let Poch poach any of out players Ralph. Don't u dare let that happen. You need to show who the boss is now that he has left!!! Thankyounicola
  • Score: 10

10:22am Thu 29 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.
Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.
The Saints' fan-base is huge. Saints will always be the biggest club on the south coast by a country mile. Whilst we may never achieve 80k gates, there is a lot more potential than the current 32k.
The key to our success will be to develop a team of Ward-Prowses who are good players capable of beating anybody but who are not on the top clubs' radar as individuals. If we were to get into the Champs League in this way, then this would allow the ground capacity to be expanded. Our sponsorship would increase dramatically and this would, if well managed, take Saints to a new level, Key to achieving all this is the appointment of a truly outstanding team manager who buys into this pholosophy. These are exciting times - this model for success is far more genuine than the rich owner pumping in cash a la Citeh, Chelski and Spuds. Have faith - we are being well-run and are in safe hands - we will build on our current success and are already the envy of other clubs.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.[/p][/quote]Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.[/p][/quote]The Saints' fan-base is huge. Saints will always be the biggest club on the south coast by a country mile. Whilst we may never achieve 80k gates, there is a lot more potential than the current 32k. The key to our success will be to develop a team of Ward-Prowses who are good players capable of beating anybody but who are not on the top clubs' radar as individuals. If we were to get into the Champs League in this way, then this would allow the ground capacity to be expanded. Our sponsorship would increase dramatically and this would, if well managed, take Saints to a new level, Key to achieving all this is the appointment of a truly outstanding team manager who buys into this pholosophy. These are exciting times - this model for success is far more genuine than the rich owner pumping in cash a la Citeh, Chelski and Spuds. Have faith - we are being well-run and are in safe hands - we will build on our current success and are already the envy of other clubs. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 8

10:22am Thu 29 May 14

allsaintsnocurves says...

Looks like we will have an even younger first team next season! I do hope though that we can keep these youngsters playing in the first team for longer than 1 great season. We are spending more on their development for other clubs to reap the rewards of. To me it is now clear that Lallana will leave the club and will probably have to put in a transfer request to get it. Shaw may not go to Man U now if we get a decent manager in as he should only leave for a step up. Our new training facilities should at least convince some that we are still worth playing for.

Can we get into Europe if we let Lallana go? Not unless the player we get in is of a calibre like Coutinho and has more of an impact than Ramirez did last season.
Looks like we will have an even younger first team next season! I do hope though that we can keep these youngsters playing in the first team for longer than 1 great season. We are spending more on their development for other clubs to reap the rewards of. To me it is now clear that Lallana will leave the club and will probably have to put in a transfer request to get it. Shaw may not go to Man U now if we get a decent manager in as he should only leave for a step up. Our new training facilities should at least convince some that we are still worth playing for. Can we get into Europe if we let Lallana go? Not unless the player we get in is of a calibre like Coutinho and has more of an impact than Ramirez did last season. allsaintsnocurves
  • Score: 3

10:28am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited!

When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell.

Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose.

To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important?

I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer.

But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility.

That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...
Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted.
Yes, but like I said, when there is no liquidity reason to sell, then that type of error is not so important. Certainly from the perspective of fans and immediate on-field performance.

It is an interesting question what is most costly. For a company whose revenues come in great part from the psychological state of fans, I do think accepting bids that should not be accepted is worse.

But perhaps I should add, this goes especially for players fans admire more.

For the Osvaldo's of this world, not so much. For that type of player the cost of rejecting bids that should be accepted is probably greater.

So, the psychology of fans is paramount! I think in the current situation, we should tread very, very carefully before accepting bids... In fact, I think the margin of safety that we need is so great, that trades are currently impossible. Our current best players are really that exceptional.
Point taken. Other sources of income could indeed be negatively affected depending on who we sell.
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited! When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell. Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose. To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important? I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer. But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility. That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...[/p][/quote]Don't you think that strategy might increase the likelihood of Type II errors, rejecting bids that should be accepted.[/p][/quote]Yes, but like I said, when there is no liquidity reason to sell, then that type of error is not so important. Certainly from the perspective of fans and immediate on-field performance. It is an interesting question what is most costly. For a company whose revenues come in great part from the psychological state of fans, I do think accepting bids that should not be accepted is worse. But perhaps I should add, this goes especially for players fans admire more. For the Osvaldo's of this world, not so much. For that type of player the cost of rejecting bids that should be accepted is probably greater. So, the psychology of fans is paramount! I think in the current situation, we should tread very, very carefully before accepting bids... In fact, I think the margin of safety that we need is so great, that trades are currently impossible. Our current best players are really that exceptional.[/p][/quote]Point taken. Other sources of income could indeed be negatively affected depending on who we sell. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

10:31am Thu 29 May 14

Alicesdad says...

OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy.

I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay.

I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better).

I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life.

Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days.

I think your search is over.
OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy. I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay. I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better). I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life. Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days. I think your search is over. Alicesdad
  • Score: 8

10:39am Thu 29 May 14

TIL 7468 says...

At the moment the club has the best youth development in the country.
Yet you failed to ask him about the firing of Dodd & Williams.
At the moment the club has the best youth development in the country. Yet you failed to ask him about the firing of Dodd & Williams. TIL 7468
  • Score: 6

10:42am Thu 29 May 14

Saintsnumbers says...

Well done, Adam. That was a fine interview. You asked all the right questions, and got some really encouraging answers. RK, I'm impressed. This is a strong vision... and consistent with all the facts. Suggest using the word 'product' slightly less, that's all ! With a tip of the hat to the great Bill Shankly,. Football isn't product. It's a matter of life and death. Except more important.

Other than that, you've said pretty much everything we all wanted to hear.
Well done, Adam. That was a fine interview. You asked all the right questions, and got some really encouraging answers. RK, I'm impressed. This is a strong vision... and consistent with all the facts. Suggest using the word 'product' slightly less, that's all ! With a tip of the hat to the great Bill Shankly,. Football isn't product. It's a matter of life and death. Except more important. Other than that, you've said pretty much everything we all wanted to hear. Saintsnumbers
  • Score: 1

10:45am Thu 29 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

I was happy with this statement.
Maybe we will still sell some players, who knows?
But as some above have said, we should only sell if it benefts the club, and if benefits are keeping are completely outweighed by the benefits of selling-ie if we are offered ridiculous money for somebody, who we can replace at half the price, allowing us to also add another player in different position, to build the TEAM, then it makes sense.
Personally, hope that Adam, Luke and all the others stay, with another keeper, another CB, and a different type of striker( as in, a poacher) came in...but think it seems unlikely all are staying...
Still, as has been said before, we've lost managers and players before, and we've grown and improved, so hopefully same again here!
I was happy with this statement. Maybe we will still sell some players, who knows? But as some above have said, we should only sell if it benefts the club, and if benefits are keeping are completely outweighed by the benefits of selling-ie if we are offered ridiculous money for somebody, who we can replace at half the price, allowing us to also add another player in different position, to build the TEAM, then it makes sense. Personally, hope that Adam, Luke and all the others stay, with another keeper, another CB, and a different type of striker( as in, a poacher) came in...but think it seems unlikely all are staying... Still, as has been said before, we've lost managers and players before, and we've grown and improved, so hopefully same again here! BracknellSaint
  • Score: 2

11:02am Thu 29 May 14

Chicago Saint says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
Some people will always look at the glass half empty, no matter what is written, said, or done! You simply cannot please these people no matter what you do as a club. Redandy10, put your ego and negative frame of mind aside and be man enough to heed the public opinion of your comments. Take a look at how high your score is on the negative by the readers on this forum. Unless of course you are simply in desperate need of getting your 15 minutes of fame through this forum, even at the cost of being well disliked.

Every single Saints fan who loves the team, including myself, have been waking up each morning expecting the worst in terms of news, and stressing with anticipation. Will MP leave, are we selling Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez, Lovren, Chambers, Clyne, Fonte, etc? Why aren't Saints making any statements to the contrary and putting out these fires in the media?

Well, we have, at last, been told by the club itself where we stand as a team. I am extremely delighted to have read this article and I feel a huge weight lifted off my chest after weeks of anticipation. I have no reason to doubt Krueger's statements at this point in time. Why would he make such statements and risk the wrath of the fanbase if the statements weren't true?

I was truly gutted to see MP go, and sad to say, I wish only bad thoughts for Spurs going forward as they have proven to be true leaches in the world of football at the expense of Saints, going back to Hoddle. But this interview has given me great hope and optimism going forward, regardless if we end up selling a player or two because it has told me that the club will react to any departures with new and better signings! The future IS AND REMAINS bright for the Saints!

TWO THUMBS UP to Krueger, the Saints, and the Echo for this interview!!!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]Some people will always look at the glass half empty, no matter what is written, said, or done! You simply cannot please these people no matter what you do as a club. Redandy10, put your ego and negative frame of mind aside and be man enough to heed the public opinion of your comments. Take a look at how high your score is on the negative by the readers on this forum. Unless of course you are simply in desperate need of getting your 15 minutes of fame through this forum, even at the cost of being well disliked. Every single Saints fan who loves the team, including myself, have been waking up each morning expecting the worst in terms of news, and stressing with anticipation. Will MP leave, are we selling Shaw, Lallana, Rodriguez, Lovren, Chambers, Clyne, Fonte, etc? Why aren't Saints making any statements to the contrary and putting out these fires in the media? Well, we have, at last, been told by the club itself where we stand as a team. I am extremely delighted to have read this article and I feel a huge weight lifted off my chest after weeks of anticipation. I have no reason to doubt Krueger's statements at this point in time. Why would he make such statements and risk the wrath of the fanbase if the statements weren't true? I was truly gutted to see MP go, and sad to say, I wish only bad thoughts for Spurs going forward as they have proven to be true leaches in the world of football at the expense of Saints, going back to Hoddle. But this interview has given me great hope and optimism going forward, regardless if we end up selling a player or two because it has told me that the club will react to any departures with new and better signings! The future IS AND REMAINS bright for the Saints! TWO THUMBS UP to Krueger, the Saints, and the Echo for this interview!!! Chicago Saint
  • Score: 7

11:03am Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

redandy10 wrote:
WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!!
I actually agree with you on this one redandy and will respond to the comment rather than jumping on it with any personal agenda.

I like what he's saying, but he's said the right things in interviews since the start. I've not judged the guy yet, because keeping MP didn't really seem to be in our hands, but neither will I judge him on words.

We need to see proof of that ambition with an ambitious managerial appointment and, personally, I don't think getting another obscure name from the Spanish league is going to convince me this time. As brilliant as Poch is, I still think Cortese somewhat lucked in on that one. It was high, high risk and it worked, but I think it was a 1 in 10 gamble that paid off.

I think the players expectations have been raised so much now that we need to make a statement of intent.

One thing I didn't like about Krueger's interview however was his continued acceptance of getting 'the deals right for Southampton Football Club'. I totally think this is stating ambition then stating that the shop is open for business.

We should be resolute that nobody else is leaving the club and, if all the money is going back into the squad - why sell them in the first place?

I also hope that the board were canny enough to add a 'no poaching' agreement when they accepted MP's resignation.

We need to stop these rumours circulating by taking a massively hard stance. Seeing a smiling, approachable guy in charge is all very nice, but I want people to be scared of picking up the phone to our club, just as they are with Levy or Cortese.

If people know they are in for a tough ride maybe they won't enquire in the first place and, if they do, maybe they'll start with a higher bid.

Clearly people are desperate for our players and, whether we want to sell them or not, creating the perception that they are unobtainable will either help us keep them or drive up their worth.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!![/p][/quote]I actually agree with you on this one redandy and will respond to the comment rather than jumping on it with any personal agenda. I like what he's saying, but he's said the right things in interviews since the start. I've not judged the guy yet, because keeping MP didn't really seem to be in our hands, but neither will I judge him on words. We need to see proof of that ambition with an ambitious managerial appointment and, personally, I don't think getting another obscure name from the Spanish league is going to convince me this time. As brilliant as Poch is, I still think Cortese somewhat lucked in on that one. It was high, high risk and it worked, but I think it was a 1 in 10 gamble that paid off. I think the players expectations have been raised so much now that we need to make a statement of intent. One thing I didn't like about Krueger's interview however was his continued acceptance of getting 'the deals right for Southampton Football Club'. I totally think this is stating ambition then stating that the shop is open for business. We should be resolute that nobody else is leaving the club and, if all the money is going back into the squad - why sell them in the first place? I also hope that the board were canny enough to add a 'no poaching' agreement when they accepted MP's resignation. We need to stop these rumours circulating by taking a massively hard stance. Seeing a smiling, approachable guy in charge is all very nice, but I want people to be scared of picking up the phone to our club, just as they are with Levy or Cortese. If people know they are in for a tough ride maybe they won't enquire in the first place and, if they do, maybe they'll start with a higher bid. Clearly people are desperate for our players and, whether we want to sell them or not, creating the perception that they are unobtainable will either help us keep them or drive up their worth. SaintJD
  • Score: 10

11:07am Thu 29 May 14

Clever Dick says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
David Moyes would be the ideal, long term manager. (As Andy Awford is busy right now)
I hope someone is checking that he's making a god job of cleaning the loos at Nottarf.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: David Moyes would be the ideal, long term manager. (As Andy Awford is busy right now)[/p][/quote]I hope someone is checking that he's making a god job of cleaning the loos at Nottarf. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

11:08am Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

Just to clarify by the way, Krueger's comment about getting the 'right bids' was taken from his Sky Sports interview and he seemed to stumble a bit when he realised he'd said it. This is what concerns me.

As mentioned though, I'll reserve judgement and give him the benefit of the doubt until we see what unfolds.
Just to clarify by the way, Krueger's comment about getting the 'right bids' was taken from his Sky Sports interview and he seemed to stumble a bit when he realised he'd said it. This is what concerns me. As mentioned though, I'll reserve judgement and give him the benefit of the doubt until we see what unfolds. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

11:13am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
Cheers mush!

My posts might sometimes be negative but if that's my opinion should I NOT express it? When you don't agree with them they get catty & god forbid you give it back to them. They like to attack in groups. Prevail playground stuff!

Your spot on about them having nothing better to do. They should be pitied really.
[quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .[/p][/quote]Cheers mush! My posts might sometimes be negative but if that's my opinion should I NOT express it? When you don't agree with them they get catty & god forbid you give it back to them. They like to attack in groups. Prevail playground stuff! Your spot on about them having nothing better to do. They should be pitied really. redandy10
  • Score: -7

11:13am Thu 29 May 14

milton road says...

He cannot guarantee no player will go in the summer simply because if a player wants to go contract or not he will put in a request. If the club cannot dissuade him. What they can do is put their value on the player and if it is not matched then keep him until it is. Hoepfully our boys will have a good world cup which will increase their value. I hope we keep everyone but I think a lot depends on what manager we bring in and new players.
He cannot guarantee no player will go in the summer simply because if a player wants to go contract or not he will put in a request. If the club cannot dissuade him. What they can do is put their value on the player and if it is not matched then keep him until it is. Hoepfully our boys will have a good world cup which will increase their value. I hope we keep everyone but I think a lot depends on what manager we bring in and new players. milton road
  • Score: 0

11:21am Thu 29 May 14

elvis says...

Nobody seems to have mentioned what happened last time we lost a manager to baked Spuds ?? Does anybody remember ?? We ended up with WGS (ok via Stuart Gray , I'll admit ) played great football ,finished in the top half of the table & reached a cup final !! Oh & there was the small matter of them being Stuffed Spuds at Sh*** heart lane followed by Twaddles dismissal ..... here's hoping history repeats its self .
Nobody seems to have mentioned what happened last time we lost a manager to baked Spuds ?? Does anybody remember ?? We ended up with WGS (ok via Stuart Gray , I'll admit ) played great football ,finished in the top half of the table & reached a cup final !! Oh & there was the small matter of them being Stuffed Spuds at Sh*** heart lane followed by Twaddles dismissal ..... here's hoping history repeats its self . elvis
  • Score: 8

11:22am Thu 29 May 14

Chicago Saint says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
YES Redandy, you are right! This is all a conspiracy against YOU! It is all about YOU! We have the Echo writing these articles for the sole purpose of voting against YOU! Krueger even admitted it in an interview on SKY and BBC later in the day that this was all set up to gather votes against YOU! There's just no getting one past YOU, YOU have once again exposed the "Bearded Voters". YOU are simply too bright!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]YES Redandy, you are right! This is all a conspiracy against YOU! It is all about YOU! We have the Echo writing these articles for the sole purpose of voting against YOU! Krueger even admitted it in an interview on SKY and BBC later in the day that this was all set up to gather votes against YOU! There's just no getting one past YOU, YOU have once again exposed the "Bearded Voters". YOU are simply too bright! Chicago Saint
  • Score: 8

11:25am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

SaintJD wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!!
I actually agree with you on this one redandy and will respond to the comment rather than jumping on it with any personal agenda.

I like what he's saying, but he's said the right things in interviews since the start. I've not judged the guy yet, because keeping MP didn't really seem to be in our hands, but neither will I judge him on words.

We need to see proof of that ambition with an ambitious managerial appointment and, personally, I don't think getting another obscure name from the Spanish league is going to convince me this time. As brilliant as Poch is, I still think Cortese somewhat lucked in on that one. It was high, high risk and it worked, but I think it was a 1 in 10 gamble that paid off.

I think the players expectations have been raised so much now that we need to make a statement of intent.

One thing I didn't like about Krueger's interview however was his continued acceptance of getting 'the deals right for Southampton Football Club'. I totally think this is stating ambition then stating that the shop is open for business.

We should be resolute that nobody else is leaving the club and, if all the money is going back into the squad - why sell them in the first place?

I also hope that the board were canny enough to add a 'no poaching' agreement when they accepted MP's resignation.

We need to stop these rumours circulating by taking a massively hard stance. Seeing a smiling, approachable guy in charge is all very nice, but I want people to be scared of picking up the phone to our club, just as they are with Levy or Cortese.

If people know they are in for a tough ride maybe they won't enquire in the first place and, if they do, maybe they'll start with a higher bid.

Clearly people are desperate for our players and, whether we want to sell them or not, creating the perception that they are unobtainable will either help us keep them or drive up their worth.
Thank you JD!

I only take the mick it out of people who get catty with me, which is why I've got a lot of time for most folk on here. There's a few though who make it their lives work to bully and harass those who don't toe their party line.

I totally agree with your points, especially how damaging these rumours are for the club. It's almost a negative synergy they create, each one undermining our claim to be an ambitious club.

What you say about him dropping the line that any deals have to right for the club is a bit worrying. Although i think he's being realistic in as much as he knows that if a player wants out there's very little he'll be able to do.

I just hope we get a quality manager capable of building a winning team!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!![/p][/quote]I actually agree with you on this one redandy and will respond to the comment rather than jumping on it with any personal agenda. I like what he's saying, but he's said the right things in interviews since the start. I've not judged the guy yet, because keeping MP didn't really seem to be in our hands, but neither will I judge him on words. We need to see proof of that ambition with an ambitious managerial appointment and, personally, I don't think getting another obscure name from the Spanish league is going to convince me this time. As brilliant as Poch is, I still think Cortese somewhat lucked in on that one. It was high, high risk and it worked, but I think it was a 1 in 10 gamble that paid off. I think the players expectations have been raised so much now that we need to make a statement of intent. One thing I didn't like about Krueger's interview however was his continued acceptance of getting 'the deals right for Southampton Football Club'. I totally think this is stating ambition then stating that the shop is open for business. We should be resolute that nobody else is leaving the club and, if all the money is going back into the squad - why sell them in the first place? I also hope that the board were canny enough to add a 'no poaching' agreement when they accepted MP's resignation. We need to stop these rumours circulating by taking a massively hard stance. Seeing a smiling, approachable guy in charge is all very nice, but I want people to be scared of picking up the phone to our club, just as they are with Levy or Cortese. If people know they are in for a tough ride maybe they won't enquire in the first place and, if they do, maybe they'll start with a higher bid. Clearly people are desperate for our players and, whether we want to sell them or not, creating the perception that they are unobtainable will either help us keep them or drive up their worth.[/p][/quote]Thank you JD! I only take the mick it out of people who get catty with me, which is why I've got a lot of time for most folk on here. There's a few though who make it their lives work to bully and harass those who don't toe their party line. I totally agree with your points, especially how damaging these rumours are for the club. It's almost a negative synergy they create, each one undermining our claim to be an ambitious club. What you say about him dropping the line that any deals have to right for the club is a bit worrying. Although i think he's being realistic in as much as he knows that if a player wants out there's very little he'll be able to do. I just hope we get a quality manager capable of building a winning team! redandy10
  • Score: -1

11:29am Thu 29 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

BigBugBuzzz wrote:
Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited!

When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell.

Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose.

To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important?

I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer.

But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility.

That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...
Excellent. So, when do we qualify for the Champions League?
[quote][p][bold]BigBugBuzzz[/bold] wrote: Being a number cruncher (I am an assistant professor doing research on collective intelligence) I am especially excited to hear about our analysis department. For those of you who haven't seen Money Ball with Brad Pit, go see it, you will love the film and feel just as excited! When Krueger tell us "we will sell on our terms" for "the best interest of Southampton" what he is talking about is there being a point where the value of the player in question is exceeded by the money being offered. At that point, it is right to sell. Now, the question is, naturally, are we good at evaluating our resources?This point is absolutely key. If we are poorer than the other side of the bargain, we lose. To be superior, we must factor in more important information than the other side of the bargain, which leads to the question, what information is important? I for one hope that our number crunchers are dealing with the uncertainty of evaluation extreme talent, and here I mean Shaw. At that end of the distribution, data points are per definition much rarer. But my advise is pragmatic. I take Benjamin Graham's (if you have read The Intelligent Investor you know who I mean) view: Build in an appropriate MARGIN OF SAFETY to cover your fallibility. That will result in fewer Type 1 errors, that is, fewer instances of accepting a bid that should not be accepted. Not only is that good when there is no need to sell from a liquidity perspective, but it is good from the perspective of keeping fans happy. Fans don't like to see their best players go...[/p][/quote]Excellent. So, when do we qualify for the Champions League? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 1

11:30am Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Now, Andy, What exactly is catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller, you certainly seem to be very sensitive to even the mildest comments about you.
Now, Andy, What exactly is catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller, you certainly seem to be very sensitive to even the mildest comments about you. Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

11:36am Thu 29 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

11:39am Thu 29 May 14

saintbobby says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
I think I would stop digging now as your hole is getting too large and too deep!

This interview is truly excellent. The responses look as honest as they can be and most on here, looking at the big thumbs up scores, are pretty happy with it.

Again, well done Daily Echo and also thank you Chairman. You have put a lot of very long serving loyal fans' hearts in good heart, if you know what I mean.

Thanks again. I am very relieved.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]I think I would stop digging now as your hole is getting too large and too deep! This interview is truly excellent. The responses look as honest as they can be and most on here, looking at the big thumbs up scores, are pretty happy with it. Again, well done Daily Echo and also thank you Chairman. You have put a lot of very long serving loyal fans' hearts in good heart, if you know what I mean. Thanks again. I am very relieved. saintbobby
  • Score: 5

11:39am Thu 29 May 14

noodlesnewman says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up.
I say put the boxing gloves on and sort it out you **** ! lol ease up !
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]my mum has got some nice handbags you could swing at each other! Little divas, have a cup of tea and a yorkie bar man up.[/p][/quote]I say put the boxing gloves on and sort it out you **** ! lol ease up ! noodlesnewman
  • Score: 0

11:42am Thu 29 May 14

BracknellSaint says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
Sorry I was keeping out of this as redandy really isn't worth wasting my time on, but back in the bar has really annoyed the hell out of me.
Armchair supporters? Whats that meant to mean?
I didn't realise that only fans who go to games are allowed to comment, I suppose going by that, those with season tickets views and opinions are far more important than those who just go to the games they are able to.
Sorry all our overseas fans but right back in the bar thinks your opinions don't count as you are all just armchair supporters, yes I know you get up at stupid o'clock in the mornings or stay up really late to watch our game on tv or listen via saints player, which costs you money, and some of you travel a lot and long distances but you are just best ignored! I wonder if the same applies to people who just cant afford to go? Or disabled fans who cant travel to games? What about those who have no choice but to work on match days? Do all there opinions count for nothing?
HEB, being a season ticket holder your opinion counts so perhaps you could ask!
Does make me laugh this!
The fact is that actually those of us who live/ lived far away or overseas probably watch MORE of the Saints than the so called aristocracy of season ticket holders!
EVERY game, home and away on one of the oh so helpful streaming sites ,at all hours of the day/night!!
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .[/p][/quote]Sorry I was keeping out of this as redandy really isn't worth wasting my time on, but back in the bar has really annoyed the hell out of me. Armchair supporters? Whats that meant to mean? I didn't realise that only fans who go to games are allowed to comment, I suppose going by that, those with season tickets views and opinions are far more important than those who just go to the games they are able to. Sorry all our overseas fans but right back in the bar thinks your opinions don't count as you are all just armchair supporters, yes I know you get up at stupid o'clock in the mornings or stay up really late to watch our game on tv or listen via saints player, which costs you money, and some of you travel a lot and long distances but you are just best ignored! I wonder if the same applies to people who just cant afford to go? Or disabled fans who cant travel to games? What about those who have no choice but to work on match days? Do all there opinions count for nothing? HEB, being a season ticket holder your opinion counts so perhaps you could ask![/p][/quote]Does make me laugh this! The fact is that actually those of us who live/ lived far away or overseas probably watch MORE of the Saints than the so called aristocracy of season ticket holders! EVERY game, home and away on one of the oh so helpful streaming sites ,at all hours of the day/night!! BracknellSaint
  • Score: 3

11:42am Thu 29 May 14

elvis says...

Alicesdad wrote:
OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy.

I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay.

I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better).

I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life.

Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days.

I think your search is over.
Dude, try Dan Levy in about 6 months .... he may have a vacancy & prefer an experienced coach then .
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy. I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay. I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better). I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life. Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days. I think your search is over.[/p][/quote]Dude, try Dan Levy in about 6 months .... he may have a vacancy & prefer an experienced coach then . elvis
  • Score: 2

11:43am Thu 29 May 14

Costa Baz says...

I think some of the posters, on here, would still find something to moan about, even if they won the Euro Millions jackpot.
I think some of the posters, on here, would still find something to moan about, even if they won the Euro Millions jackpot. Costa Baz
  • Score: 7

11:44am Thu 29 May 14

Tetty says...

Remember Krueger is a North American and therefore anything he says is hyperbole. Fine words to placate the fans but, as has already been observed, these need to be followed by decisive action in the direction we hope and has been promised. That's the head! The heart wants desperately to believe!
Remember Krueger is a North American and therefore anything he says is hyperbole. Fine words to placate the fans but, as has already been observed, these need to be followed by decisive action in the direction we hope and has been promised. That's the head! The heart wants desperately to believe! Tetty
  • Score: 2

11:47am Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

There are certain players in the squad that I won't have a problem with if they choose to move on. Adam has been incredibly loyal for instance and, though Luke it could be argued owes us for coming through the ranks, I kind of accept that we'll get a good price and that he has been class from day one.

Not sure if I'm alone in this, but I will be significantly more annoyed if J-Rod starts angling for a move for Spurs this summer.

Maybe I'm being harsh on him, but I think he owes us for the faith we've put in him and patience shown as he's developed over the past two seasons.

Unlike Luke and Adam I also feel that he still has a few rough edges to sort out before he's ready to start getting ahead of himself. And I think, for him as much as us, he needs to think long and hard before he starts looking over the fence at other options.

Hopefully his England experiences will have grounded him rather than the opposite, because I think that showed he has a little way to go yet.

If he can get over that nasty injury and improve this season as much as he did last then the sky is the limit, but he shouldn't be in any rush and I hope he's not being advised badly or unsettled behind the scenes.
There are certain players in the squad that I won't have a problem with if they choose to move on. Adam has been incredibly loyal for instance and, though Luke it could be argued owes us for coming through the ranks, I kind of accept that we'll get a good price and that he has been class from day one. Not sure if I'm alone in this, but I will be significantly more annoyed if J-Rod starts angling for a move for Spurs this summer. Maybe I'm being harsh on him, but I think he owes us for the faith we've put in him and patience shown as he's developed over the past two seasons. Unlike Luke and Adam I also feel that he still has a few rough edges to sort out before he's ready to start getting ahead of himself. And I think, for him as much as us, he needs to think long and hard before he starts looking over the fence at other options. Hopefully his England experiences will have grounded him rather than the opposite, because I think that showed he has a little way to go yet. If he can get over that nasty injury and improve this season as much as he did last then the sky is the limit, but he shouldn't be in any rush and I hope he's not being advised badly or unsettled behind the scenes. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:51am Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

Costa Baz wrote:
I think some of the posters, on here, would still find something to moan about, even if they won the Euro Millions jackpot.
Totally the opposite. If I won the Euro Millions jackpot I'd give it to Saints to fund five year deals for Guly and Fox, just to guarantee we had something to moan about.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: I think some of the posters, on here, would still find something to moan about, even if they won the Euro Millions jackpot.[/p][/quote]Totally the opposite. If I won the Euro Millions jackpot I'd give it to Saints to fund five year deals for Guly and Fox, just to guarantee we had something to moan about. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

11:52am Thu 29 May 14

jasons odd says...

We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come jasons odd
  • Score: 0

11:56am Thu 29 May 14

jasons odd says...

As for manager ...
1. Villas boas
2. Laudrup
3. McLaren

I believe yakin to be a huge risk as he has NO English football experience and managing a (rich) swiss club is as challenging as managing Celtic
As for manager ... 1. Villas boas 2. Laudrup 3. McLaren I believe yakin to be a huge risk as he has NO English football experience and managing a (rich) swiss club is as challenging as managing Celtic jasons odd
  • Score: -6

11:57am Thu 29 May 14

costa gaz says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in..... costa gaz
  • Score: 2

11:58am Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto.
"Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!!

For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club.......

The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages...
Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits.
They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable.

I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits.

It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.
As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it!

Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving.

Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere.

It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto. "Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!! For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club....... The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages... Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits. They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable. I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits. It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.[/p][/quote]As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it! Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving. Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere. It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it! redandy10
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Thu 29 May 14

saintjak says...

The more I read of what Saints want the more I cannot see much past Murat Yakin. He fits the profile of the kind of manager we want. tactically he plays similar to MoPo. I have read that a few on social media think he is defensive. His Basel side beat Spuds and Chelski and i imagine you cannot do this unless you are tactically astute. We cannot always be all out attack, playing perfect football (Palace v Liverpool anyone) He obviously knows how to take on these sides with a football team that plays in the Swiss league and was by far inferior. Maybe he is just more tactically aware than MoPo, also he has European competition experience ready for next year :D

The other fav is Koeman. All I can say is he has seems to change club every 2 years also his agent seems to have inquired at Swansea and West Ham... So he is not fussy where he goes as long as its in the Prem somewhere. Alarm bells seem ring with him...

I like Murat, he seems classy. I think he is young and reasonably unknown (remind you of anyone) And the media reports say he is ready to take his chance.

I just hope its with us.
The more I read of what Saints want the more I cannot see much past Murat Yakin. He fits the profile of the kind of manager we want. tactically he plays similar to MoPo. I have read that a few on social media think he is defensive. His Basel side beat Spuds and Chelski and i imagine you cannot do this unless you are tactically astute. We cannot always be all out attack, playing perfect football (Palace v Liverpool anyone) He obviously knows how to take on these sides with a football team that plays in the Swiss league and was by far inferior. Maybe he is just more tactically aware than MoPo, also he has European competition experience ready for next year :D The other fav is Koeman. All I can say is he has seems to change club every 2 years also his agent seems to have inquired at Swansea and West Ham... So he is not fussy where he goes as long as its in the Prem somewhere. Alarm bells seem ring with him... I like Murat, he seems classy. I think he is young and reasonably unknown (remind you of anyone) And the media reports say he is ready to take his chance. I just hope its with us. saintjak
  • Score: 5

12:14pm Thu 29 May 14

Mush On The Beach says...

Lots of good views and analysis on here lads.
To summarise some of the above, our chairman could be perceived as a naive, wet behind the ears, north American type motivational business speaker when it comes to the dynamics of heading a football club. He certainly has a lot to learn, but I’m prepared to cut him some slack and go along for the ride as our owner has entrusted him to the task. What else can you do? I think there is still a good vibe in the hands of the Liebherrs as to who we are and where we are heading. Sadly Mauricio has gone, it’s time to move on.
Ask yourself this, would you rather be owned instead by Mike Ashley at Newcastle or Randy Lerner at Villa? Why are there no credible offers coming in to buy Everton off Bill Kenwright to take them to their next level? Look at the debacle of takeovers at QPR and Cardiff and their owners pumped big figures into their causes.

I look at Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid as our role models of the way to go to the next levels. Their fans have been given the ride of a life time. The sad inevitability as proven by them is that their top players will eventually always be sold to more affluent teams for a hefty price. That is the law of the jungle, we just have to accept it and use it to our advantage.
Lots of good views and analysis on here lads. To summarise some of the above, our chairman could be perceived as a naive, wet behind the ears, north American type motivational business speaker when it comes to the dynamics of heading a football club. He certainly has a lot to learn, but I’m prepared to cut him some slack and go along for the ride as our owner has entrusted him to the task. What else can you do? I think there is still a good vibe in the hands of the Liebherrs as to who we are and where we are heading. Sadly Mauricio has gone, it’s time to move on. Ask yourself this, would you rather be owned instead by Mike Ashley at Newcastle or Randy Lerner at Villa? Why are there no credible offers coming in to buy Everton off Bill Kenwright to take them to their next level? Look at the debacle of takeovers at QPR and Cardiff and their owners pumped big figures into their causes. I look at Borussia Dortmund and Atletico Madrid as our role models of the way to go to the next levels. Their fans have been given the ride of a life time. The sad inevitability as proven by them is that their top players will eventually always be sold to more affluent teams for a hefty price. That is the law of the jungle, we just have to accept it and use it to our advantage. Mush On The Beach
  • Score: 12

12:14pm Thu 29 May 14

costa gaz says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto.
"Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!!

For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club.......

The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages...
Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits.
They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable.

I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits.

It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.
As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it!

Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving.

Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere.

It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it!
Reality is the key word.
When we hear the statement that no one will be allowed to leave this club, once from the owner and then from Les Reed, then weeks later we lose Poch and the chairman declares players will be sold under our terms, it sort of drains the belief I had a short time ago.
It will get worse before it gets better, but we will bounce back,it's what Saints do best.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto. "Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!! For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club....... The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages... Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits. They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable. I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits. It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.[/p][/quote]As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it! Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving. Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere. It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it![/p][/quote]Reality is the key word. When we hear the statement that no one will be allowed to leave this club, once from the owner and then from Les Reed, then weeks later we lose Poch and the chairman declares players will be sold under our terms, it sort of drains the belief I had a short time ago. It will get worse before it gets better, but we will bounce back,it's what Saints do best. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

12:17pm Thu 29 May 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

costa gaz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
Yep. The whole vision thing, 'The Southampton Way' was all Cortese's. He didn't have to learn it, he knew it because it came from within. That meant he could 'sell' it to others with real passion. Ralph sounds like he's bumbling around the corridors and finding new departments all the time and really enjoying himself. Nice. But will he have the passion to persuade sought after managers and players to join us - or indeed stay with us - like his predecessor did? Not a good start.

My neighbour, Judas, has just driven in for the first time in days. Still driving his SFC car too. Think I'll pop out and see him....
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....[/p][/quote]Yep. The whole vision thing, 'The Southampton Way' was all Cortese's. He didn't have to learn it, he knew it because it came from within. That meant he could 'sell' it to others with real passion. Ralph sounds like he's bumbling around the corridors and finding new departments all the time and really enjoying himself. Nice. But will he have the passion to persuade sought after managers and players to join us - or indeed stay with us - like his predecessor did? Not a good start. My neighbour, Judas, has just driven in for the first time in days. Still driving his SFC car too. Think I'll pop out and see him.... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

12:29pm Thu 29 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

jasons odd wrote:
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come[/p][/quote]Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 3

12:30pm Thu 29 May 14

TGodSFC says...

Everyone see Wardies freekick the other night, tekkers!!
I'm very please that the club is taking positives steps after tuesday, they are doing the right things, I feel so much better now than i did 48 hours ago.
Everyone see Wardies freekick the other night, tekkers!! I'm very please that the club is taking positives steps after tuesday, they are doing the right things, I feel so much better now than i did 48 hours ago. TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

costa gaz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer.

And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad.

Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available.

They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too.

I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself.

It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone?

Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved.

Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game.

I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive.

Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....[/p][/quote]Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer. And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad. Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available. They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too. I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself. It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone? Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved. Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game. I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive. Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Thu 29 May 14

TGodSFC says...

TGodSFC wrote:
Everyone see Wardies freekick the other night, tekkers!!
I'm very please that the club is taking positives steps after tuesday, they are doing the right things, I feel so much better now than i did 48 hours ago.
And to all you negative naive fools posting on here, get a grip. Times change roll with it. Cortese took complete control, now we have individuals to take care of every aspect of the club over 200 people, Krueger is just the face and will make us a lot of £££ through advertising and promotion throughout Europe and America. I loved Nicola as much as the next person but he is gone, get over it !!! Also just because he didn’t say “no players will be sold” doesn’t mean we will sell, he said no deals are done and transfer of our players will happen on our terms, how is that not good. Bigger club are going to want our best players, anyone would but all we have to do is say no or raise the price until we think its fair, I have fair we will be fine, I trust and believe.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: Everyone see Wardies freekick the other night, tekkers!! I'm very please that the club is taking positives steps after tuesday, they are doing the right things, I feel so much better now than i did 48 hours ago.[/p][/quote]And to all you negative naive fools posting on here, get a grip. Times change roll with it. Cortese took complete control, now we have individuals to take care of every aspect of the club over 200 people, Krueger is just the face and will make us a lot of £££ through advertising and promotion throughout Europe and America. I loved Nicola as much as the next person but he is gone, get over it !!! Also just because he didn’t say “no players will be sold” doesn’t mean we will sell, he said no deals are done and transfer of our players will happen on our terms, how is that not good. Bigger club are going to want our best players, anyone would but all we have to do is say no or raise the price until we think its fair, I have fair we will be fine, I trust and believe. TGodSFC
  • Score: 4

12:43pm Thu 29 May 14

Invidia says...

I very much like what RK said although I would not expect him to say with MoPo leaving we do not know which way to turn and that all our plans have flown out of the window. Also I thought a valid question from Adam Leitch would have been are there any plans to increase the crowd capacity at St Mary's which would show us fans a real club intent to my mind.
I very much like what RK said although I would not expect him to say with MoPo leaving we do not know which way to turn and that all our plans have flown out of the window. Also I thought a valid question from Adam Leitch would have been are there any plans to increase the crowd capacity at St Mary's which would show us fans a real club intent to my mind. Invidia
  • Score: 2

12:51pm Thu 29 May 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.
The Saints' Board has never said that it would not sell its best players; it has only said that it had no need to do so.

If a player is hell-bent on leaving, then it's in the best interest of the club to let him go for the right price. Lallana has been a great player for us, but his loyalty is now questionable. We can't let players like him dictate club policy by threatening to leave if they don't get their own way. Just like Cortese, Lallana is not a financial investor in SFC. Our club is greater yhan any player or manager. Long live The Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come[/p][/quote]Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.[/p][/quote]The Saints' Board has never said that it would not sell its best players; it has only said that it had no need to do so. If a player is hell-bent on leaving, then it's in the best interest of the club to let him go for the right price. Lallana has been a great player for us, but his loyalty is now questionable. We can't let players like him dictate club policy by threatening to leave if they don't get their own way. Just like Cortese, Lallana is not a financial investor in SFC. Our club is greater yhan any player or manager. Long live The Saints. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 4

12:52pm Thu 29 May 14

george chivers says...

costa gaz wrote:
Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto.
"Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!!

For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club.......

The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages...
Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits.
They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable.

I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits.

It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.
I don't think anybody at the club ever said 'no players will be sold'. What they actually said was 'no players need to be sold'. And I pointed that out at the time, it didn't mean players wouldn't be sold. It was a deliberate statement with a 'subtext' that said, if players wish to go we can't really stop them.

So it isn't a U turn. And I don't expect us to break the bank, conservative Swiss owners don't do that. And to expect them to do it is very naïve. if we were to break the bank and fund wages from KL's personal funds eventually we would fall foul of PL financial rules and end up being punished. QPR have done that this year in the Championship.

My personal view is Cortese got himself into trouble by over spending, probably on Osvaldo and Wanyama and took a gamble on us making the top six this season. And that is why KL wanted to put constraints on his dictatorial style of management. After all it Is her money, not his, or ours.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto. "Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!! For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club....... The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages... Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits. They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable. I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits. It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.[/p][/quote]I don't think anybody at the club ever said 'no players will be sold'. What they actually said was 'no players need to be sold'. And I pointed that out at the time, it didn't mean players wouldn't be sold. It was a deliberate statement with a 'subtext' that said, if players wish to go we can't really stop them. So it isn't a U turn. And I don't expect us to break the bank, conservative Swiss owners don't do that. And to expect them to do it is very naïve. if we were to break the bank and fund wages from KL's personal funds eventually we would fall foul of PL financial rules and end up being punished. QPR have done that this year in the Championship. My personal view is Cortese got himself into trouble by over spending, probably on Osvaldo and Wanyama and took a gamble on us making the top six this season. And that is why KL wanted to put constraints on his dictatorial style of management. After all it Is her money, not his, or ours. george chivers
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Thu 29 May 14

costa gaz says...

Littleton-Saint wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.
From littleton saint.....

Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.

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We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables.
Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes.

Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe.

If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring.
[quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come[/p][/quote]Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.[/p][/quote]From littleton saint..... Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it. ******************** ******************** **** We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables. Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes. Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe. If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring. costa gaz
  • Score: 1

1:13pm Thu 29 May 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

not long until june , then the fans will see if the hyperbole stands .
not long until june , then the fans will see if the hyperbole stands . Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 2

1:22pm Thu 29 May 14

saints fan #1 says...

Good to see were already bringing in new people to strengthen the clubs commercial and marketing side. Looks like were building from the top down COYR
Good to see were already bringing in new people to strengthen the clubs commercial and marketing side. Looks like were building from the top down COYR saints fan #1
  • Score: -1

1:31pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

saints fan #1 wrote:
Good to see were already bringing in new people to strengthen the clubs commercial and marketing side. Looks like were building from the top down COYR
I take it you're being ironic?
[quote][p][bold]saints fan #1[/bold] wrote: Good to see were already bringing in new people to strengthen the clubs commercial and marketing side. Looks like were building from the top down COYR[/p][/quote]I take it you're being ironic? SaintJD
  • Score: 2

1:32pm Thu 29 May 14

StElsass says...

Judging by the comments, many people seem to have missed an important bit of news, so just to clarify:

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/sport/0/football/25
752833

He's gone, get over it!
Judging by the comments, many people seem to have missed an important bit of news, so just to clarify: http://www.bbc.co.uk /sport/0/football/25 752833 He's gone, get over it! StElsass
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!!
Funny ole game, innit. Only a couple of days ago all we hear from the bleaters and barkers was that they wanted info, the board should make a statement etc etc ******* etc.
You've all got your statement now. He didn't try to dodge the question, he admitted they are not people with superpowers but have workded hard and made mistakes (who doesn't) He's told us what he wants from the new manager and tor the club's future improvement. He's promised to keep us informed on the Manager choice and on player's of interest.
What more do you want of the man - His parking spot?, half his salary, his wife, c'mon give the bloke a break and that goes for the others trying to run this business the way it should be run.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: WE WANT ACTIONS, NOT WORDS!!![/p][/quote]Funny ole game, innit. Only a couple of days ago all we hear from the bleaters and barkers was that they wanted info, the board should make a statement etc etc ******* etc. You've all got your statement now. He didn't try to dodge the question, he admitted they are not people with superpowers but have workded hard and made mistakes (who doesn't) He's told us what he wants from the new manager and tor the club's future improvement. He's promised to keep us informed on the Manager choice and on player's of interest. What more do you want of the man - His parking spot?, half his salary, his wife, c'mon give the bloke a break and that goes for the others trying to run this business the way it should be run. jls217
  • Score: 7

2:00pm Thu 29 May 14

Mister E says...

Sammy2sheds wrote:
Scary very scary
This man does not know what he is talking about
He says "the plan" is......other people are working on that
He has no vision for our club and in his own words he is still learning his role wtf.
But the ending is the bit that sent a shiver down my spine
"We are going to compete our way,through youth ,through player development" translates to no big spending.
He also doesn't answer the question over whether the there will be recruitment he just says there will be a list and people want to play for us,that doesn't mean we are going to buy them.
He also says the"squad will change" " no one is bigger than the club" "this is a place to grow" that all says to me that we are a selling club or breeder for top clubs
This is pr tripe with double meaning phrases
It all sounds like a dodgy sales pitch
Les reed and this muppet are now running our club
Scary very scary
Scary?
Not only did he say we have a plan but went on to spell it out! To get into European football, to do it the Southampton way: exciting football, developing and giving youth a chance etc.!
"He has other people working on that" ....how is that negative? I would be very worried if he was trying to do it ALL by himself! Instead, and any half whit would appreciate the Chairman of any organisation gets the best people in with the skill sets to deal with all the different aspects. Surely? You get a financial expert to deal with finances etc.
"Still learning his role" ....Let me turn that around, I would be VERY worried if he came here thinking he knew it all! Any successful business, in any field, THRIVES with people learning ALL THE TIME. Bet Sir Alex would tell you, despite I his fountain of knowledge, he was (still is) learning!
A 'know it all'? No thanks, not for Saints!
Doing it our way, outh development equals no big spending.... The first part of that statement of yours: GREAT as that will mean more Luke Shaw's etc! The last part of that statement, well, he said there are players/ agents falling over themselves to come to Saints ie it's the destination of choice! How on earth is that a negative? A certain Mr. Osvaldo is testament to the fact of throwing large amounts of cash at a name/experience is NOT an EASY solution! He doesn't say anything about it but, everything else he says shows he's "switched-on" I don't doubt that the scouts he mentioned have some "experience" on their short lists, and for the right price....!
You mention ....list of people who want to play for us ......squad will change .....no one is bigger than the club .....place to grow and finally you say these are all double meaning so, why have you JUST taken ONE (a pretty poor interpretation to be fair) meaning as FACT?
People WANT to play for us ....GREAT - we are an attractive destination! Negative? Really?
Squad will change ...GREAT - we'll grow and improve! Negatve? Really?
No one's bigger than the club ...GREAT - no prima donnas, the club's in good hands! Negatve? Really?
A place to grow ....we'll nurture talent and give that talent the opportunity to express it's self! Negative? Really?
I like what he had to say and it fills me with optimism and I feal quite excited!
With all due respect, what planet are you on?
[quote][p][bold]Sammy2sheds[/bold] wrote: Scary very scary This man does not know what he is talking about He says "the plan" is......other people are working on that He has no vision for our club and in his own words he is still learning his role wtf. But the ending is the bit that sent a shiver down my spine "We are going to compete our way,through youth ,through player development" translates to no big spending. He also doesn't answer the question over whether the there will be recruitment he just says there will be a list and people want to play for us,that doesn't mean we are going to buy them. He also says the"squad will change" " no one is bigger than the club" "this is a place to grow" that all says to me that we are a selling club or breeder for top clubs This is pr tripe with double meaning phrases It all sounds like a dodgy sales pitch Les reed and this muppet are now running our club Scary very scary[/p][/quote]Scary? Not only did he say we have a plan but went on to spell it out! To get into European football, to do it the Southampton way: exciting football, developing and giving youth a chance etc.! "He has other people working on that" ....how is that negative? I would be very worried if he was trying to do it ALL by himself! Instead, and any half whit would appreciate the Chairman of any organisation gets the best people in with the skill sets to deal with all the different aspects. Surely? You get a financial expert to deal with finances etc. "Still learning his role" ....Let me turn that around, I would be VERY worried if he came here thinking he knew it all! Any successful business, in any field, THRIVES with people learning ALL THE TIME. Bet Sir Alex would tell you, despite I his fountain of knowledge, he was (still is) learning! A 'know it all'? No thanks, not for Saints! Doing it our way, outh development equals no big spending.... The first part of that statement of yours: GREAT as that will mean more Luke Shaw's etc! The last part of that statement, well, he said there are players/ agents falling over themselves to come to Saints ie it's the destination of choice! How on earth is that a negative? A certain Mr. Osvaldo is testament to the fact of throwing large amounts of cash at a name/experience is NOT an EASY solution! He doesn't say anything about it but, everything else he says shows he's "switched-on" I don't doubt that the scouts he mentioned have some "experience" on their short lists, and for the right price....! You mention ....list of people who want to play for us ......squad will change .....no one is bigger than the club .....place to grow and finally you say these are all double meaning so, why have you JUST taken ONE (a pretty poor interpretation to be fair) meaning as FACT? People WANT to play for us ....GREAT - we are an attractive destination! Negative? Really? Squad will change ...GREAT - we'll grow and improve! Negatve? Really? No one's bigger than the club ...GREAT - no prima donnas, the club's in good hands! Negatve? Really? A place to grow ....we'll nurture talent and give that talent the opportunity to express it's self! Negative? Really? I like what he had to say and it fills me with optimism and I feal quite excited! With all due respect, what planet are you on? Mister E
  • Score: 10

2:02pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

costa gaz wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.
From littleton saint.....

Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.

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We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables.
Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes.

Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe.

If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring.
If, as you say, last season was our best chance of ever getting into Europe, then Cortese and Pochettino must have been abject failures because, as reality tells us, we didn't get there. Why do think another unearthed Pochettino might make it happen, when the earthed one didn't?
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come[/p][/quote]Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.[/p][/quote]From littleton saint..... Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it. ******************** ******************** **** We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables. Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes. Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe. If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring.[/p][/quote]If, as you say, last season was our best chance of ever getting into Europe, then Cortese and Pochettino must have been abject failures because, as reality tells us, we didn't get there. Why do think another unearthed Pochettino might make it happen, when the earthed one didn't? Rising_Son
  • Score: -4

2:04pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
I would guess it has less to with the fact it's you Andy and more to do with the fact that what you said was a knobheadish sort of comment to make.

Unless those are the only sort of comments you make then I guess it is because it's you.

I don't know you from Adam and I'm guessing like most of the rest of us you've made some good posts and some knobheadish ones and this just happens to be one of the latter.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]I would guess it has less to with the fact it's you Andy and more to do with the fact that what you said was a knobheadish sort of comment to make. Unless those are the only sort of comments you make then I guess it is because it's you. I don't know you from Adam and I'm guessing like most of the rest of us you've made some good posts and some knobheadish ones and this just happens to be one of the latter. jls217
  • Score: -1

2:06pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Mister E, I think Sammy2sheds is just a WUM and not one of us.
Mister E, I think Sammy2sheds is just a WUM and not one of us. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

2:07pm Thu 29 May 14

costa gaz says...

Rising_Son wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese )

And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted .

already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come
Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.
From littleton saint.....

Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money!
Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic.
If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football
and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.

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We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables.
Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes.

Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe.

If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring.
If, as you say, last season was our best chance of ever getting into Europe, then Cortese and Pochettino must have been abject failures because, as reality tells us, we didn't get there. Why do think another unearthed Pochettino might make it happen, when the earthed one didn't?
Sorry RS Not quite sure what you are saying, did you read my post properly?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: We dont need our chairman to be in a condition "of learning and growth" ...We need a competent and intelligent chairman (like ...Cortese ) And this whole "we are aiming for Europe " sounds wishy-washy and half-hearted . already the club has retreated from its position of we will NOT sell our top players . Southampton FC are ALREADY massively missing Cortese and will continue to for years to come[/p][/quote]Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it.[/p][/quote]From littleton saint..... Cortese's vision wasn't backed with his own money! Ralph's wishful vision of European Football is more realistic. If players like Lallana are offered guaranteed Champs League football and hugely increased salaries, then they will leave Saints and it's then down to our Board to obtain the best deal. I wouldn't expect KL to throw crazy money on new players or inflated salaries. It's sensible to live within means and build more slowly. I understand the new Board's model and support it. ******************** ******************** **** We have to look at what qualifying for Europe really entails, look at the list of top wage paying clubs over the past 10 years or so and then compare it with the actual league tables. Can you spot the similarities? This is what it takes. Ralphs first statement said that the club would be run within it's means, translated he is saying that we will be nowhere near the top end of paying wages for the foreseeable future and with that comes no realistic challenge for Europe. If we do unearth another MOPO and have a squad of brilliant players on relatively low wages, it might just happen. But realistically last season was our best chance of it occuring.[/p][/quote]If, as you say, last season was our best chance of ever getting into Europe, then Cortese and Pochettino must have been abject failures because, as reality tells us, we didn't get there. Why do think another unearthed Pochettino might make it happen, when the earthed one didn't?[/p][/quote]Sorry RS Not quite sure what you are saying, did you read my post properly? costa gaz
  • Score: 1

2:10pm Thu 29 May 14

Alicesdad says...

elvis wrote:
Alicesdad wrote:
OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy.

I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay.

I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better).

I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life.

Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days.

I think your search is over.
Dude, try Dan Levy in about 6 months .... he may have a vacancy & prefer an experienced coach then .
Good advice.... I migth not have to wait six months though, he's a nasty piece of work.
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: OK Mr Krueger let it be known that I am up for the job. I tried to ring but your phone seems to be busy. I am a seasoned Saints supporter who was behind the Wembley goal in '76 and can even remember Hugh Fisher's goal in the third round. I even skipped school to see the replay. I have vast experience in Fifa on a PS2 , winning the world cup more than thirty times, the league over a hundred times and am very good with penalties since finding that trick on Youtube. I also have international european experience having won the French league with EAG Guingamp on an earlier version of Fifa (before they made the goalkeepers much better). I intend to make the players train FOUR times a day and am prepared to pretend that I can't speak English so the MOTD interviews will never be controversial. I am also prepared to sign a 10 year contract and will leave whenever you like poroivided I get 10 million (cash - used notes) and get a free season ticket for life. Experience, commitment, dedication, and relatively cheap these days. I think your search is over.[/p][/quote]Dude, try Dan Levy in about 6 months .... he may have a vacancy & prefer an experienced coach then .[/p][/quote]Good advice.... I migth not have to wait six months though, he's a nasty piece of work. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

2:12pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

costa gaz, I was saying that MOPO didn't get us into Europe even though it was, according to you, our best chance. Why do want another manager of the same quality?
costa gaz, I was saying that MOPO didn't get us into Europe even though it was, according to you, our best chance. Why do want another manager of the same quality? Rising_Son
  • Score: -5

2:15pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

Golden_Salamander wrote:
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em)
It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.
[quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.[/p][/quote]'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em) It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite. jls217
  • Score: 2

2:20pm Thu 29 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer.

And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad.

Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available.

They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too.

I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself.

It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone?

Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved.

Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game.

I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive.

Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.
saintjd,
Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one.
He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option.
yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances.
he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free.
Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously.
does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions.
Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement.
its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view.
I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate!
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....[/p][/quote]Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer. And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad. Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available. They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too. I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself. It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone? Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved. Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game. I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive. Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.[/p][/quote]saintjd, Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one. He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option. yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances. he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free. Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously. does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions. Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement. its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view. I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

2:21pm Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
I would guess it has less to with the fact it's you Andy and more to do with the fact that what you said was a knobheadish sort of comment to make.

Unless those are the only sort of comments you make then I guess it is because it's you.

I don't know you from Adam and I'm guessing like most of the rest of us you've made some good posts and some knobheadish ones and this just happens to be one of the latter.
Lol. Says the man who names himself after a boy band. If I want a run down of One Direction's greatest hits I'll be sure to call on you.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]I would guess it has less to with the fact it's you Andy and more to do with the fact that what you said was a knobheadish sort of comment to make. Unless those are the only sort of comments you make then I guess it is because it's you. I don't know you from Adam and I'm guessing like most of the rest of us you've made some good posts and some knobheadish ones and this just happens to be one of the latter.[/p][/quote]Lol. Says the man who names himself after a boy band. If I want a run down of One Direction's greatest hits I'll be sure to call on you. redandy10
  • Score: 0

2:33pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you? Rising_Son
  • Score: -9

2:36pm Thu 29 May 14

deepheat says...

We could have had Marcelo Bielsa in place if MP hadn't of fecked us about.

Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first Marcelo Bielsa seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an
-answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius."

Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world"

On 2 May 2014 Bielsa has agreed a two year contract in principle with Marseille, and will begin after the 2014 FIFA World Cup.

In principle is not a done deal is it?
We could have had Marcelo Bielsa in place if MP hadn't of fecked us about. Athletic Bilbao's striker Fernando Llorente said in an interview "At first Marcelo Bielsa seems tough and he may even annoy you with his persistence and don't-take-no-for-an -answer resilience, but in the end he is a genius." Pep Guardiola called him the "best manager in the world" On 2 May 2014 Bielsa has agreed a two year contract in principle with Marseille, and will begin after the 2014 FIFA World Cup. In principle is not a done deal is it? deepheat
  • Score: 2

2:38pm Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em)
It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.
"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere.

Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened.

As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right.

In my day it was Take That that was all the rage.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.[/p][/quote]'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em) It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.[/p][/quote]"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere. Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened. As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right. In my day it was Take That that was all the rage. redandy10
  • Score: -1

2:40pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Who needs Froch Groves II when you can come onto the Daily Echo forum.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?[/p][/quote]Who needs Froch Groves II when you can come onto the Daily Echo forum. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:43pm Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!!
As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?[/p][/quote]Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!! As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands? redandy10
  • Score: -1

2:53pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!!
As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands?
The questions are simple, but you seem too scared to answer them, and resort to your usual namecalling instead.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?[/p][/quote]Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!! As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands?[/p][/quote]The questions are simple, but you seem too scared to answer them, and resort to your usual namecalling instead. Rising_Son
  • Score: -6

2:54pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Who needs Froch Groves II when you can come onto the Daily Echo forum.
That good, is it?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?[/p][/quote]Who needs Froch Groves II when you can come onto the Daily Echo forum.[/p][/quote]That good, is it? Rising_Son
  • Score: -4

2:55pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer.

And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad.

Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available.

They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too.

I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself.

It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone?

Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved.

Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game.

I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive.

Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.
saintjd,
Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one.
He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option.
yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances.
he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free.
Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously.
does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions.
Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement.
its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view.
I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate!
Thanks. I don't disagree with you - as I've said I'm willing to reserve judgement on Krueger and, frankly, Katherine shouldn't really be questioned at all because she's already got us to where we are today.

Clearly I'm not talking about Osvaldo when I mention player sales but I do remember us saying that no player will leave without the move being sanctioned by the manager. This stance seems to me to have been loosened in the statements I've heard since and it seems the board have admitted we don't have much control on whether they stay, but we will keep the money for the squad.

I'm saying, if we don't have to sell, why are we talking about doing deals for our prized assets? Both Spurs and ourselves have wasted millions on players in recent seasons and £50 million doesn't necessarily go that far.

£28 million for a left back, maybe, but £22 million or even £30 million for an extremely talented creative English midfielder in his prime should be laughed out, not considered. There is very little chance we'll replace him for the money we get, unless they fancy a swap deal for Courtinho, who incidentally, isn't as complete a player.

I welcome Krueger coming out and saying things, but this isn't far different to Cortese, who did a couple of his own set pieces, usually in glamorous surroundings to show our intent and ambition.

But I think clearly in the circumstances it really is about actions not words right now, so I will wait to see what happens. As long as he's ruthless behind the scenes and does what is genuinely right for SFC as he says he will, I'm happy.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....[/p][/quote]Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer. And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad. Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available. They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too. I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself. It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone? Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved. Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game. I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive. Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.[/p][/quote]saintjd, Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one. He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option. yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances. he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free. Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously. does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions. Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement. its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view. I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate![/p][/quote]Thanks. I don't disagree with you - as I've said I'm willing to reserve judgement on Krueger and, frankly, Katherine shouldn't really be questioned at all because she's already got us to where we are today. Clearly I'm not talking about Osvaldo when I mention player sales but I do remember us saying that no player will leave without the move being sanctioned by the manager. This stance seems to me to have been loosened in the statements I've heard since and it seems the board have admitted we don't have much control on whether they stay, but we will keep the money for the squad. I'm saying, if we don't have to sell, why are we talking about doing deals for our prized assets? Both Spurs and ourselves have wasted millions on players in recent seasons and £50 million doesn't necessarily go that far. £28 million for a left back, maybe, but £22 million or even £30 million for an extremely talented creative English midfielder in his prime should be laughed out, not considered. There is very little chance we'll replace him for the money we get, unless they fancy a swap deal for Courtinho, who incidentally, isn't as complete a player. I welcome Krueger coming out and saying things, but this isn't far different to Cortese, who did a couple of his own set pieces, usually in glamorous surroundings to show our intent and ambition. But I think clearly in the circumstances it really is about actions not words right now, so I will wait to see what happens. As long as he's ruthless behind the scenes and does what is genuinely right for SFC as he says he will, I'm happy. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

3:19pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

redandy10 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em)
It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.
"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere.

Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened.

As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right.

In my day it was Take That that was all the rage.
Don't know who it is you think you've made the connection with me is but I can assure you you're barking up the wrong tree Red.

I'm sure you and Take That were very comfortable with each other.

Please show the evidence for anything that Les Reed tried to re-assure us with at the time, that was untruthful. Why would I doubt what Kruger is saying - he's the only source of info that's in the decision making process so I'll have no choice but to take what he says over what the Daily Wail or the DE has to say. Unless you have a source within the club - and I do get a little tired of all that blx, it's also the closest you will have - your choice to listen and believe or not - I won't lose a moment's sleep concerning anything you think.

I've had no axe to grind with you, no idea who you are and not really that bothered to find out either. I've only been posting on here for a few months now and up to a couple of days ago hadn't any reason to remember you for any reason whatsoever.(the only one who sticks in my mind and my gullet too is the social leper who keeps trying to get us to take a look at something the voices in his head thinks they've found which is going to condemn Saints to a lifetime of hell and damnation)

I believe I've defended your and others right to post whatever it is you wish to discuss - if it's something which interests me and I agree with I'll either say so or give a thumbs up and if I think it's more on the knobheadish end of the scale like the one earler I'll say so and maybe give it a thumbs down and the reason I will do that is exactly like you I am entitled to my opinion and to express it freely.

Now whatever little minor rage and skirmish you may be having with others on here please don't attempt to draw me into it. Life is too short. When a sniper takes a shot he has to absolutely sure of his target and in yyour case you're in danger of pulling the trigger with your eyes shut.
Don't like me or my posts - I can live with that, even though I'm such a sensitive soul - I doubt I'll ever be coming round to your gaff for a Sunday lunch or a glass of sherry so I'll survive the snub even given how important you might like to think you are. I promise you this Red you nor anyone else on this forum is important enough for me to single out for any sort of special attention. I'm in my 60's and been in the uniform of this country in one guise or another since I was 15. In that time I have had dealings in one manner or another with esraholes all over the world. Now if you want to continue to spar verbally with the other toys you seem to have attracted to your magnetic personality on this forum then go ahead and do so. Don't include me - I have an inbuilt esrahole radar and it's emitting a loud warning. So to clarify (I really don't like misunderstandings) **** off and play your games with someone who gives a ****
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.[/p][/quote]'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em) It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.[/p][/quote]"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere. Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened. As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right. In my day it was Take That that was all the rage.[/p][/quote]Don't know who it is you think you've made the connection with me is but I can assure you you're barking up the wrong tree Red. I'm sure you and Take That were very comfortable with each other. Please show the evidence for anything that Les Reed tried to re-assure us with at the time, that was untruthful. Why would I doubt what Kruger is saying - he's the only source of info that's in the decision making process so I'll have no choice but to take what he says over what the Daily Wail or the DE has to say. Unless you have a source within the club - and I do get a little tired of all that blx, it's also the closest you will have - your choice to listen and believe or not - I won't lose a moment's sleep concerning anything you think. I've had no axe to grind with you, no idea who you are and not really that bothered to find out either. I've only been posting on here for a few months now and up to a couple of days ago hadn't any reason to remember you for any reason whatsoever.(the only one who sticks in my mind and my gullet too is the social leper who keeps trying to get us to take a look at something the voices in his head thinks they've found which is going to condemn Saints to a lifetime of hell and damnation) I believe I've defended your and others right to post whatever it is you wish to discuss - if it's something which interests me and I agree with I'll either say so or give a thumbs up and if I think it's more on the knobheadish end of the scale like the one earler I'll say so and maybe give it a thumbs down and the reason I will do that is exactly like you I am entitled to my opinion and to express it freely. Now whatever little minor rage and skirmish you may be having with others on here please don't attempt to draw me into it. Life is too short. When a sniper takes a shot he has to absolutely sure of his target and in yyour case you're in danger of pulling the trigger with your eyes shut. Don't like me or my posts - I can live with that, even though I'm such a sensitive soul - I doubt I'll ever be coming round to your gaff for a Sunday lunch or a glass of sherry so I'll survive the snub even given how important you might like to think you are. I promise you this Red you nor anyone else on this forum is important enough for me to single out for any sort of special attention. I'm in my 60's and been in the uniform of this country in one guise or another since I was 15. In that time I have had dealings in one manner or another with esraholes all over the world. Now if you want to continue to spar verbally with the other toys you seem to have attracted to your magnetic personality on this forum then go ahead and do so. Don't include me - I have an inbuilt esrahole radar and it's emitting a loud warning. So to clarify (I really don't like misunderstandings) **** off and play your games with someone who gives a **** jls217
  • Score: -4

3:25pm Thu 29 May 14

jasons odd says...

So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand .

Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ?

They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe

Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too .

The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over .



As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true .
BUT
If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would .

Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty .

We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league.

That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.
So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand . Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ? They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too . The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over . As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true . BUT If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would . Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty . We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league. That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th. jasons odd
  • Score: 6

3:36pm Thu 29 May 14

Rising_Son says...

jasons odd wrote:
So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand .

Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ?

They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe

Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too .

The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over .



As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true .
BUT
If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would .

Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty .

We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league.

That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.
I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand . Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ? They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too . The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over . As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true . BUT If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would . Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty . We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league. That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.[/p][/quote]I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything. Rising_Son
  • Score: -8

3:37pm Thu 29 May 14

el caballo santos101 says...

SaintJD wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago?

A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing.


So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.
Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is.
There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage.

The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....
Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer.

And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad.

Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available.

They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too.

I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself.

It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone?

Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved.

Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game.

I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive.

Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.
saintjd,
Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one.
He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option.
yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances.
he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free.
Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously.
does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions.
Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement.
its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view.
I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate!
Thanks. I don't disagree with you - as I've said I'm willing to reserve judgement on Krueger and, frankly, Katherine shouldn't really be questioned at all because she's already got us to where we are today.

Clearly I'm not talking about Osvaldo when I mention player sales but I do remember us saying that no player will leave without the move being sanctioned by the manager. This stance seems to me to have been loosened in the statements I've heard since and it seems the board have admitted we don't have much control on whether they stay, but we will keep the money for the squad.

I'm saying, if we don't have to sell, why are we talking about doing deals for our prized assets? Both Spurs and ourselves have wasted millions on players in recent seasons and £50 million doesn't necessarily go that far.

£28 million for a left back, maybe, but £22 million or even £30 million for an extremely talented creative English midfielder in his prime should be laughed out, not considered. There is very little chance we'll replace him for the money we get, unless they fancy a swap deal for Courtinho, who incidentally, isn't as complete a player.

I welcome Krueger coming out and saying things, but this isn't far different to Cortese, who did a couple of his own set pieces, usually in glamorous surroundings to show our intent and ambition.

But I think clearly in the circumstances it really is about actions not words right now, so I will wait to see what happens. As long as he's ruthless behind the scenes and does what is genuinely right for SFC as he says he will, I'm happy.
osvaldknob was just an example really.

I genuinely feel that he just cant say that no players will leave because as we know some will, as I said some players only have a year left on their contracts, cork for example. no fan wants to lose cork but if he wont sign a new contract, I`m not saying he wont though, there is no point in letting his contract run down when we could get a few quid for him. I think that's what RK is on about, along with fringe players like hoover who also might be sold.
I think the stance on players leaving is pretty much the same, les reed said that no players would come or go without the consent of the manager and yesterday in one interview RK did say that they wanted to wait on any player deals until a new manager has a say, whoever that is. as RK said we hold all the cards, and he kind of indicated that even if a player wants to leave if its not in the interests of the club they wont be allowed to. he mentioned long contracts and whats best for the club.
NC did do interviews and as you say they were usually in nice locations, but they were very few and far between and ones that he picked. I remember him talking to jim white of sky in spain about the sacking of NA, it was all chummy chummy and he didn't really get asked any hard questions, and how long after the event did we have to wait for it?

I strongly dislike any comment on here from some one who is `in the know` (not saying its you JD). that goes whether its good or bad news. I have my on info on certain things that I decide not to share, basically because as soon as I see `I heard from` or I was told by` I instantly start to disbelieve it. however having said that (and get ready to disbelieve this everyone if you want) I was told by someone who overheard RK talking in a restaurant that the only player they were worried about losing was lalla. again I have no proof of this and not sure I believe it myself but the person who told me had no reason to lie (and how many times have we read that!). I`m not putting that out as a rumour or fact but just sharing something I was told.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Q: If you realised Mauricio was leaving, presumably you started the search for a new manager a while ago? A: I think all the fans know that I am in a position of learning and growth. I didn’t come in here pretending that I would understand what the chairman role would entail. I have found every day fascinating and exciting and one of the things I have learnt in the last few days is how strong our recruitment and scouting department is. It’s amazing. So, NO is the answer to the question. And after three months he's just discovered our 20 strong recruitment and scouting department, as he says, amazing! This is the big boys league, the EPL, where you get ripped to shreds by rival clubs, agents and the media this is not where you cut your teeth.[/p][/quote]Exactly, people need to read the interview again to discover just how naive he actually is. There could be things going on behind closed doors which we are not privy to, but he is coming across as a complete novice and that will alert our rivals who won't be slow to take full advantage. The interview has had it's desired effect, which was to please the fans and some have been completely taken in.....[/p][/quote]Agreed. While I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt, I'm not particularly put at ease by the answers, which pose more questions than they answer. And I'm uncomfortable with the sudden admission that they knew he was off in January, coupled with the lack of prep (based on what he's said anyway) to find or at least prepare a replacement for any worst case scenario, selling the idea into the squad. Surely, if MP was showing signs of not playing ball the strategy should have been to do this, not only to prepare for the worst case scenario, but to put pressure on him to sign rather than happily waiting until he could see what was available. They seem to have totally lost the PR war - meaning that the MP is able to claim that he really wanted to stay (which is garbage) and making players believe that's the case too. I'm also uncomfortable with the 'we're not disappointed' line. It's bravado and it is rubbish. If you aren't disappointed to lose your club's best manager in decades you need to take a long look at yourself. It also sends out a bad message to the players because, if you can just brush off a guy that the squad clearly loves as if he's totally expendable, what does it say about how much you value anyone? Yes, the club is bigger than any player or manager, but to claim nothing has changed is nonsense. Anyone who witnessed how MP transformed the way we played within a week of being at the club must surely give him a lot of credit for what we've achieved. Yes, the club was going in the right direction before he was here and the kids were being blooded before his arrival (somebody please make the media aware that it was Nigel who brought a great number of them through and Pardew before him), but he took us up a level in very obvious, noticeable fashion. You could see it from minute one of the Everton game. I'd have a lot more respect for Krueger if he'd started by thanking him for his service and admitting it was a big blow to lose the guy but that we'll be changing that negative into a positive. Also, it would have been nice to refer to him by his first name - unless they weren't on first name terms? Either way, don't like it.[/p][/quote]saintjd, Ralph did call MP by his first name on several occasions. he did more than one interview yesterday and called MP by first, last and full names depending on which one you read/watch. the radio solent interview was a very good one. He has come out and answered the questions we all had, he was never going to say he was `disappointed` to lose MP even if he was, why should he? surely saying he was disappointed would give a wrong impression to the players who he must now convince that staying is the better option. yes they new that MP might leave from January but as he said they did all they could to keep him, they have said they want to challenge for Europe soon, as NC did, they offered him good money but he still decided to leave. I still think the reason he left was just because NC left and had nothing to do with any `vision` or finances. he was also never going to say that no players were for sale, obviously some are, Osvaldo for a start, we might even be forced to sell a player who isn`t willing to extend their contract, we have a few players with a year left and if they don't want to sign now its better to sell than let them go for free. Ralph did say that the scouts are always looking at coaches and players and building files on them and there is a list of candidates already, add to that all the managers who have applied for the job. it wont take long for the club to whittle the list down to a short list of potential replacements. what`s the point I picking out a replacement before you know your manager has gone, and when he has gone. there could be better options that have only become available in the last week or applicants that they might not have considered available previously. does anyone really think the early days of NC were any different to now? of course not, NC didn't know anything about running a football club or any sports club and it would have taken him just as long to become settled, the big difference is that NC hardly made any statements or interviews so we just knew less, we were happy though because the club had just been saved so no one really questioned his actions. Things are a hell of a lot different for RK and the new board simply because when NC came in we were in L1 with minus 10pts, and now we are in the top half of the prem with great players that either cost several millions or came through the academy and are worth a fortune. the media attention the club gets now is on a totally different level to then. NC shut himself away in his `ivory tower` and barely spoke to the media and that was his way of dealing with them. RK came in and said things would be different and most supported that, then when the club couldn't talk for various reasons some moaned that they weren't talking and harped back to the NC days. Rising son was right, people were moaning that the club weren't talking and now they have and answered the questions people are moaning that its actions that count, you cant have it both ways, yes judge a club on its actions fine but at least give them a chance to put their words into action. I know some will never be happy and will always try to `read between the lines` of any comment, but sometimes you need to take words at face value and not read what you want into any statement. its easy to criticise the running of a club from the outside but until you've been there, until you know what they know, until you step into their shoes you don't know what it takes and what are the right decisions to make. or as a wise man said, you can know Everest is high and its cold up there but until you've stood there you have no idea what you`ve got to take in with all of that view. I hope no on sees his as an attack on them or that I am trying to bully them off of the site, I am just giving my honest view, I know it counts for nothing as I am only an armchair fan but I just wanted to give a different opinion that's open for debate![/p][/quote]Thanks. I don't disagree with you - as I've said I'm willing to reserve judgement on Krueger and, frankly, Katherine shouldn't really be questioned at all because she's already got us to where we are today. Clearly I'm not talking about Osvaldo when I mention player sales but I do remember us saying that no player will leave without the move being sanctioned by the manager. This stance seems to me to have been loosened in the statements I've heard since and it seems the board have admitted we don't have much control on whether they stay, but we will keep the money for the squad. I'm saying, if we don't have to sell, why are we talking about doing deals for our prized assets? Both Spurs and ourselves have wasted millions on players in recent seasons and £50 million doesn't necessarily go that far. £28 million for a left back, maybe, but £22 million or even £30 million for an extremely talented creative English midfielder in his prime should be laughed out, not considered. There is very little chance we'll replace him for the money we get, unless they fancy a swap deal for Courtinho, who incidentally, isn't as complete a player. I welcome Krueger coming out and saying things, but this isn't far different to Cortese, who did a couple of his own set pieces, usually in glamorous surroundings to show our intent and ambition. But I think clearly in the circumstances it really is about actions not words right now, so I will wait to see what happens. As long as he's ruthless behind the scenes and does what is genuinely right for SFC as he says he will, I'm happy.[/p][/quote]osvaldknob was just an example really. I genuinely feel that he just cant say that no players will leave because as we know some will, as I said some players only have a year left on their contracts, cork for example. no fan wants to lose cork but if he wont sign a new contract, I`m not saying he wont though, there is no point in letting his contract run down when we could get a few quid for him. I think that's what RK is on about, along with fringe players like hoover who also might be sold. I think the stance on players leaving is pretty much the same, les reed said that no players would come or go without the consent of the manager and yesterday in one interview RK did say that they wanted to wait on any player deals until a new manager has a say, whoever that is. as RK said we hold all the cards, and he kind of indicated that even if a player wants to leave if its not in the interests of the club they wont be allowed to. he mentioned long contracts and whats best for the club. NC did do interviews and as you say they were usually in nice locations, but they were very few and far between and ones that he picked. I remember him talking to jim white of sky in spain about the sacking of NA, it was all chummy chummy and he didn't really get asked any hard questions, and how long after the event did we have to wait for it? I strongly dislike any comment on here from some one who is `in the know` (not saying its you JD). that goes whether its good or bad news. I have my on info on certain things that I decide not to share, basically because as soon as I see `I heard from` or I was told by` I instantly start to disbelieve it. however having said that (and get ready to disbelieve this everyone if you want) I was told by someone who overheard RK talking in a restaurant that the only player they were worried about losing was lalla. again I have no proof of this and not sure I believe it myself but the person who told me had no reason to lie (and how many times have we read that!). I`m not putting that out as a rumour or fact but just sharing something I was told. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 6

3:58pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

Likewise. I want us to win the double no- the treble. I want us to field eleven and a bench full of internationals on a Saturday.
Southampton is not a Mank **** or a Barca we are what we are - we don't have a million plus population in the city to draw on. We don't have a 70k seater stadium We don't have laundered money to bankroll us = for us it will always be an uphill struggle.

Right now is about the best it has been since I started following the club and I hope we can ride this wave and make improvement to make the ride even more enjoyable.

I want more for us (as probably does almost everyone posting here) but there is only one sure fire way of that happening and that is having someone with even deeper pockets than the Leibherrs bankroll us - which is possible if we keep plugging away and growing sustainably but it would be foolish of us to pin our hopes on that.
The second way is - just to keep plugging away at it and hope the conveyor belt doesn't stutter and one or two of the old heads with an occasional astute purchase can keep us bouyant.

In furtherance to that ambition to remain balanced and sane (and there are those who will insist it's years too late to wish for it) I can make the choice to believe what the club say.
To rant and rage that everything they say is blx
Or to spend time I don't have analyzing every word that is emitted from the club be it by a player, the Ceo or the cleaner.
There may be those on here who have the luxury of time and the desire to do the latter. I don't fall into that category, I don't want to disbelieve everything I hear so I choose the former. I'm sure there are others like me.
I still followed and bought into the idea of Saints FC when Dave Jones was so badly treated, when Dave Merrington stepped in to do his best to help a club in crisis and was then treated so badly, I was still there when we were all worried that Grobelaar was on the take, when we played with eight defenders - still there, when we were rightly called alehouse footballers - yep, still there, when Black burn Rovers bought everything we churned out, I didn't like any of it but I was still there not because of the antics and personalities but because it was my local club and I love it - seeemples.
This philosophy will probably stick with me until I cannot get my raspberry chariot to the game or they are frying me prior to flushing down a bog somewhere.
So yes I follow and will continue to do so - my choice.
You are free to make yours too.

If they tell me Katarina turns up with her rampant rabbit every game - I'll take it at face value and watch her for the telltale signs.
Likewise. I want us to win the double no- the treble. I want us to field eleven and a bench full of internationals on a Saturday. Southampton is not a Mank **** or a Barca we are what we are - we don't have a million plus population in the city to draw on. We don't have a 70k seater stadium We don't have laundered money to bankroll us = for us it will always be an uphill struggle. Right now is about the best it has been since I started following the club and I hope we can ride this wave and make improvement to make the ride even more enjoyable. I want more for us (as probably does almost everyone posting here) but there is only one sure fire way of that happening and that is having someone with even deeper pockets than the Leibherrs bankroll us - which is possible if we keep plugging away and growing sustainably but it would be foolish of us to pin our hopes on that. The second way is - just to keep plugging away at it and hope the conveyor belt doesn't stutter and one or two of the old heads with an occasional astute purchase can keep us bouyant. In furtherance to that ambition to remain balanced and sane (and there are those who will insist it's years too late to wish for it) I can make the choice to believe what the club say. To rant and rage that everything they say is blx Or to spend time I don't have analyzing every word that is emitted from the club be it by a player, the Ceo or the cleaner. There may be those on here who have the luxury of time and the desire to do the latter. I don't fall into that category, I don't want to disbelieve everything I hear so I choose the former. I'm sure there are others like me. I still followed and bought into the idea of Saints FC when Dave Jones was so badly treated, when Dave Merrington stepped in to do his best to help a club in crisis and was then treated so badly, I was still there when we were all worried that Grobelaar was on the take, when we played with eight defenders - still there, when we were rightly called alehouse footballers - yep, still there, when Black burn Rovers bought everything we churned out, I didn't like any of it but I was still there not because of the antics and personalities but because it was my local club and I love it - seeemples. This philosophy will probably stick with me until I cannot get my raspberry chariot to the game or they are frying me prior to flushing down a bog somewhere. So yes I follow and will continue to do so - my choice. You are free to make yours too. If they tell me Katarina turns up with her rampant rabbit every game - I'll take it at face value and watch her for the telltale signs. jls217
  • Score: -7

4:03pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

jasons odd wrote:
So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand .

Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ?

They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe

Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too .

The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over .



As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true .
BUT
If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would .

Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty .

We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league.

That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.
I get what you're saying, but it's questionable who is more delusional.

If you look at all the clubs and fans in the Premier League that think they should be top six and then look at the clubs with the financial clout to actually legitimately compete at that level you'll discover a bit of a chasm between the two.

Here is a very hastily arranged list of those clubs, not to mention the likes of Leicester and QPR who are also likely to have those aspirations and who both have decent financial backing behind them: Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Man Utd, Newcastle, Aston Villa.

Now, I think KL and RK both see us as being among those clubs, so not in the 10th to 16th bracket, but more in the 4th-10th bracket with the understanding that, if things go poorly one season, we might finish upper midtable. That is both realistic and ambitious.

Anything else is deluded, unless we sell to the richest Arab owners and, let's face it, there are very, very few clubs in that position.

What we are trying to achieve at Saints is more of what Everton achieved this season - limited finances, the odd inevitable player sale, but a good style of football, canny signings, and optimum results.

As you'll see from my comments, I'm not someone who just buys everything RK says, but I also appreciate that you can't always have exactly what you want in this life.

Still, if you asked my five seasons ago, or even one season ago, if a comfortable position in the Premier League, let alone a top 10 position pushing for European places, was reasonably ambitious, I'd say yes it is.

Would have liked us to try harder in the cups though.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand . Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ? They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too . The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over . As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true . BUT If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would . Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty . We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league. That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.[/p][/quote]I get what you're saying, but it's questionable who is more delusional. If you look at all the clubs and fans in the Premier League that think they should be top six and then look at the clubs with the financial clout to actually legitimately compete at that level you'll discover a bit of a chasm between the two. Here is a very hastily arranged list of those clubs, not to mention the likes of Leicester and QPR who are also likely to have those aspirations and who both have decent financial backing behind them: Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Everton, Man Utd, Newcastle, Aston Villa. Now, I think KL and RK both see us as being among those clubs, so not in the 10th to 16th bracket, but more in the 4th-10th bracket with the understanding that, if things go poorly one season, we might finish upper midtable. That is both realistic and ambitious. Anything else is deluded, unless we sell to the richest Arab owners and, let's face it, there are very, very few clubs in that position. What we are trying to achieve at Saints is more of what Everton achieved this season - limited finances, the odd inevitable player sale, but a good style of football, canny signings, and optimum results. As you'll see from my comments, I'm not someone who just buys everything RK says, but I also appreciate that you can't always have exactly what you want in this life. Still, if you asked my five seasons ago, or even one season ago, if a comfortable position in the Premier League, let alone a top 10 position pushing for European places, was reasonably ambitious, I'd say yes it is. Would have liked us to try harder in the cups though. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

4:09pm Thu 29 May 14

swesaint says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
Littleton-Saint wrote:
It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.
Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.
Yes but only charge one third of what we do for tickets.
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Littleton-Saint[/bold] wrote: It's clear that the emphasis is on developing youth - either from the Academy or purchased. We develop the stars, they stay for a bit and during that time, we hope that they get us into Europe, and we flog them as per Walcott and Oxo and make some cash for the owner - a production line - a puppy farm! Realistically, we can't afford £300k a week wages, so this is a workable model moving forwards.[/p][/quote]Sounds like the same approach as Dortmund use, It has worked for them, the only difference is they get gates of 80,000 every home game.[/p][/quote]Yes but only charge one third of what we do for tickets. swesaint
  • Score: 7

4:11pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

jls217 wrote:
Likewise. I want us to win the double no- the treble. I want us to field eleven and a bench full of internationals on a Saturday.
Southampton is not a Mank **** or a Barca we are what we are - we don't have a million plus population in the city to draw on. We don't have a 70k seater stadium We don't have laundered money to bankroll us = for us it will always be an uphill struggle.

Right now is about the best it has been since I started following the club and I hope we can ride this wave and make improvement to make the ride even more enjoyable.

I want more for us (as probably does almost everyone posting here) but there is only one sure fire way of that happening and that is having someone with even deeper pockets than the Leibherrs bankroll us - which is possible if we keep plugging away and growing sustainably but it would be foolish of us to pin our hopes on that.
The second way is - just to keep plugging away at it and hope the conveyor belt doesn't stutter and one or two of the old heads with an occasional astute purchase can keep us bouyant.

In furtherance to that ambition to remain balanced and sane (and there are those who will insist it's years too late to wish for it) I can make the choice to believe what the club say.
To rant and rage that everything they say is blx
Or to spend time I don't have analyzing every word that is emitted from the club be it by a player, the Ceo or the cleaner.
There may be those on here who have the luxury of time and the desire to do the latter. I don't fall into that category, I don't want to disbelieve everything I hear so I choose the former. I'm sure there are others like me.
I still followed and bought into the idea of Saints FC when Dave Jones was so badly treated, when Dave Merrington stepped in to do his best to help a club in crisis and was then treated so badly, I was still there when we were all worried that Grobelaar was on the take, when we played with eight defenders - still there, when we were rightly called alehouse footballers - yep, still there, when Black burn Rovers bought everything we churned out, I didn't like any of it but I was still there not because of the antics and personalities but because it was my local club and I love it - seeemples.
This philosophy will probably stick with me until I cannot get my raspberry chariot to the game or they are frying me prior to flushing down a bog somewhere.
So yes I follow and will continue to do so - my choice.
You are free to make yours too.

If they tell me Katarina turns up with her rampant rabbit every game - I'll take it at face value and watch her for the telltale signs.
Good man. Pretty much what reflects what I've just said, although I neglected to name check Katharina's rampant rabbit, which was clearly an oversight.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Likewise. I want us to win the double no- the treble. I want us to field eleven and a bench full of internationals on a Saturday. Southampton is not a Mank **** or a Barca we are what we are - we don't have a million plus population in the city to draw on. We don't have a 70k seater stadium We don't have laundered money to bankroll us = for us it will always be an uphill struggle. Right now is about the best it has been since I started following the club and I hope we can ride this wave and make improvement to make the ride even more enjoyable. I want more for us (as probably does almost everyone posting here) but there is only one sure fire way of that happening and that is having someone with even deeper pockets than the Leibherrs bankroll us - which is possible if we keep plugging away and growing sustainably but it would be foolish of us to pin our hopes on that. The second way is - just to keep plugging away at it and hope the conveyor belt doesn't stutter and one or two of the old heads with an occasional astute purchase can keep us bouyant. In furtherance to that ambition to remain balanced and sane (and there are those who will insist it's years too late to wish for it) I can make the choice to believe what the club say. To rant and rage that everything they say is blx Or to spend time I don't have analyzing every word that is emitted from the club be it by a player, the Ceo or the cleaner. There may be those on here who have the luxury of time and the desire to do the latter. I don't fall into that category, I don't want to disbelieve everything I hear so I choose the former. I'm sure there are others like me. I still followed and bought into the idea of Saints FC when Dave Jones was so badly treated, when Dave Merrington stepped in to do his best to help a club in crisis and was then treated so badly, I was still there when we were all worried that Grobelaar was on the take, when we played with eight defenders - still there, when we were rightly called alehouse footballers - yep, still there, when Black burn Rovers bought everything we churned out, I didn't like any of it but I was still there not because of the antics and personalities but because it was my local club and I love it - seeemples. This philosophy will probably stick with me until I cannot get my raspberry chariot to the game or they are frying me prior to flushing down a bog somewhere. So yes I follow and will continue to do so - my choice. You are free to make yours too. If they tell me Katarina turns up with her rampant rabbit every game - I'll take it at face value and watch her for the telltale signs.[/p][/quote]Good man. Pretty much what reflects what I've just said, although I neglected to name check Katharina's rampant rabbit, which was clearly an oversight. SaintJD
  • Score: -5

4:32pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand .

Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ?

They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe

Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too .

The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over .



As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true .
BUT
If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would .

Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty .

We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league.

That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.
I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything.
Looking at the minus points on these realistic comments you have to wonder who the deluded ones are in this argument. Do these people really think winning the league and European Cup was ever a realistic expectation? Maybe, like Poch and Cortese they should just walk away in a huff and go and support Spurs, where they will be happy among like-minded people.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand . Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ? They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too . The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over . As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true . BUT If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would . Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty . We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league. That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.[/p][/quote]I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything.[/p][/quote]Looking at the minus points on these realistic comments you have to wonder who the deluded ones are in this argument. Do these people really think winning the league and European Cup was ever a realistic expectation? Maybe, like Poch and Cortese they should just walk away in a huff and go and support Spurs, where they will be happy among like-minded people. SaintJD
  • Score: -3

4:42pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
jasons odd wrote:
So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand .

Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ?

They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe

Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too .

The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over .



As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true .
BUT
If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would .

Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty .

We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league.

That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.
I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything.
Looking at the minus points on these realistic comments you have to wonder who the deluded ones are in this argument. Do these people really think winning the league and European Cup was ever a realistic expectation? Maybe, like Poch and Cortese they should just walk away in a huff and go and support Spurs, where they will be happy among like-minded people.
Just to clarify something - I fully got the sarcasm in your comment Rising Son and, unless it was missed by others, can't believe it has gathered minus points. Wow. Well I guess if people really did have aspirations of us winning the league and European Cup it's better they wake up now than in a few years time.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: So many fans seem determined to keep their heads buried in sand . Its hard to believe that some deludes 48 hours ago were saying ' Mopo wont go'...'have faith its all rumours ' ... I mean really , are there people out there THAT naive ? They are probably the same deludes that believe every word Mr krueger says not , probably the same deludes who trusted Lowe Lets be honest - if Mickey Mouse was put in charge , they would be agreeing with everything he saaid too . The uncertainty , incompetence and lack of leadership has been overwhelming since Mr krueger took over . As for those who say 'well its Ms Liebherrs money ...' well that is true . BUT If she is not willing to (at least try) and move the club forward then i would like her to try and sell to someone who would . Im forever grateful to the Liebherr family , especially Markus , but anyone thinking Ms Liebherr is a saints fan or particularly loves our club is delusional . She is doing her duty . We willl be ok under Ms Liebherr, with our excellent academy and her steady ownership we will be a self-sustaining premier club , back to concentrating on survival , selling our stars every couple of years , but reinvesting enough to stay in premier league. That is the reality , but i want more , i want my club to have ambition , like we had under Cortese , i want hope every season not wondering whether we will finish 10th or 16th.[/p][/quote]I want us to be successful, regularly win the premier league and the European Cup. Ambition isn't everything.[/p][/quote]Looking at the minus points on these realistic comments you have to wonder who the deluded ones are in this argument. Do these people really think winning the league and European Cup was ever a realistic expectation? Maybe, like Poch and Cortese they should just walk away in a huff and go and support Spurs, where they will be happy among like-minded people.[/p][/quote]Just to clarify something - I fully got the sarcasm in your comment Rising Son and, unless it was missed by others, can't believe it has gathered minus points. Wow. Well I guess if people really did have aspirations of us winning the league and European Cup it's better they wake up now than in a few years time. SaintJD
  • Score: -3

5:11pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Personally I'm a bit confused. Ralph says that he wants to improve and to get into Europe through youth and through player development. Wasn't we doing that anyway with Shaw, Chambers, and Lallana etc, only we were buying top players as well. Also, its no good improving through youth and player development if you then sell these players when a top offer comes is it Mr Krueger. He says we don't need to sell, so don't then, keep the team together and there's a chance of improving which as he stated is what he wants. If Ralph seriously thinks we can get into Europe and compete with the top teams through youth and player development alone than that is just pure naivety. I may be wrong and I hope I am but he seems a little bit clueless. Maybe this is why Poch left as his plans and vision of improving was unrealistic.
Personally I'm a bit confused. Ralph says that he wants to improve and to get into Europe through youth and through player development. Wasn't we doing that anyway with Shaw, Chambers, and Lallana etc, only we were buying top players as well. Also, its no good improving through youth and player development if you then sell these players when a top offer comes is it Mr Krueger. He says we don't need to sell, so don't then, keep the team together and there's a chance of improving which as he stated is what he wants. If Ralph seriously thinks we can get into Europe and compete with the top teams through youth and player development alone than that is just pure naivety. I may be wrong and I hope I am but he seems a little bit clueless. Maybe this is why Poch left as his plans and vision of improving was unrealistic. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 6

5:12pm Thu 29 May 14

jasons odd says...

realistically speaking with 30000 crowd and a relatively small profile 7th or 8tyh in the league is the best we can ever hope for ...but sport is about hope , about achieving better ,about trying to do/be the best possible

It wasnt realistic for a second division saints to win the cup in 76
It wasnt realistic for athletico to win la liga
It wasn't realistic for a club like Wimbledon to become an established PL club
Etc etc etc ...But they happened

When Cortese said he wanted Southampton to win the PL , no one seriously expected him to achieve it ...but at least he had the desire and ambition to try .

I want our board to TRY and move the club forwards , to have AMBITION - top 4 is not impossible everton have shown that . But that means keeping all our talents for a few years at least and really going for it .

If they dont , they should sell . With all the talent our club has got , and the enormous strides we have taken in the last few years ...anything else would be a criminal waste
realistically speaking with 30000 crowd and a relatively small profile 7th or 8tyh in the league is the best we can ever hope for ...but sport is about hope , about achieving better ,about trying to do/be the best possible It wasnt realistic for a second division saints to win the cup in 76 It wasnt realistic for athletico to win la liga It wasn't realistic for a club like Wimbledon to become an established PL club Etc etc etc ...But they happened When Cortese said he wanted Southampton to win the PL , no one seriously expected him to achieve it ...but at least he had the desire and ambition to try . I want our board to TRY and move the club forwards , to have AMBITION - top 4 is not impossible everton have shown that . But that means keeping all our talents for a few years at least and really going for it . If they dont , they should sell . With all the talent our club has got , and the enormous strides we have taken in the last few years ...anything else would be a criminal waste jasons odd
  • Score: 9

5:37pm Thu 29 May 14

SaintJD says...

jasons odd wrote:
realistically speaking with 30000 crowd and a relatively small profile 7th or 8tyh in the league is the best we can ever hope for ...but sport is about hope , about achieving better ,about trying to do/be the best possible

It wasnt realistic for a second division saints to win the cup in 76
It wasnt realistic for athletico to win la liga
It wasn't realistic for a club like Wimbledon to become an established PL club
Etc etc etc ...But they happened

When Cortese said he wanted Southampton to win the PL , no one seriously expected him to achieve it ...but at least he had the desire and ambition to try .

I want our board to TRY and move the club forwards , to have AMBITION - top 4 is not impossible everton have shown that . But that means keeping all our talents for a few years at least and really going for it .

If they dont , they should sell . With all the talent our club has got , and the enormous strides we have taken in the last few years ...anything else would be a criminal waste
If like your thoughts and I don't think the board are discounting that idea - all of us dream of achieving it.

Trying to achieve it by spending more than we can afford is all very lovely and will give you that excitement and head in the clouds sporting ambition, but when did the Saints team of 76 or the Wimbledon team spend shed loads of money or live beyond their means. I can't remember it.

In more recent times I remember Leeds and Portsmouth doing it. I remember Blackburn doing it for a while. That was a lovely dream - Peter Risdale and Harry Redknapp are very good at dreaming, oh, and near crippling clubs with horrific debt.

And, if sport is all about hope, here's another example of sporting dreams becoming reality - Southampton Football Club - bottom of League 1, -10 points, bankrupt. Fast forward five years and we obtain our highest Premier League finish. Clearly not good enough a fairy story, apparently this is a disaster.

In the process, we take a player from the Beetroot factory to the World Cup in Rio. That's quite a nice story of hope.

You are right - top four is not impossible - Everton have shown that they can nearly achieve it if not cross the line.

My question to you is: did Everton not sell one of their best players to a bigger club last summer? Did Everton not lose their highly successful manager to a bigger club last summer? Did Everton spend millions in the transfer market last summer? Did Everton find success by appointing a very good new manager, making a couple of brilliant loan signings, and bringing through a few quality young players?

So are you saying Everton aren't ambitious? Was that criminal? They let their manager and a top player go because they didn't have much choice, kept Baines because the offer wasn't good enough and did OK as I recall.
[quote][p][bold]jasons odd[/bold] wrote: realistically speaking with 30000 crowd and a relatively small profile 7th or 8tyh in the league is the best we can ever hope for ...but sport is about hope , about achieving better ,about trying to do/be the best possible It wasnt realistic for a second division saints to win the cup in 76 It wasnt realistic for athletico to win la liga It wasn't realistic for a club like Wimbledon to become an established PL club Etc etc etc ...But they happened When Cortese said he wanted Southampton to win the PL , no one seriously expected him to achieve it ...but at least he had the desire and ambition to try . I want our board to TRY and move the club forwards , to have AMBITION - top 4 is not impossible everton have shown that . But that means keeping all our talents for a few years at least and really going for it . If they dont , they should sell . With all the talent our club has got , and the enormous strides we have taken in the last few years ...anything else would be a criminal waste[/p][/quote]If like your thoughts and I don't think the board are discounting that idea - all of us dream of achieving it. Trying to achieve it by spending more than we can afford is all very lovely and will give you that excitement and head in the clouds sporting ambition, but when did the Saints team of 76 or the Wimbledon team spend shed loads of money or live beyond their means. I can't remember it. In more recent times I remember Leeds and Portsmouth doing it. I remember Blackburn doing it for a while. That was a lovely dream - Peter Risdale and Harry Redknapp are very good at dreaming, oh, and near crippling clubs with horrific debt. And, if sport is all about hope, here's another example of sporting dreams becoming reality - Southampton Football Club - bottom of League 1, -10 points, bankrupt. Fast forward five years and we obtain our highest Premier League finish. Clearly not good enough a fairy story, apparently this is a disaster. In the process, we take a player from the Beetroot factory to the World Cup in Rio. That's quite a nice story of hope. You are right - top four is not impossible - Everton have shown that they can nearly achieve it if not cross the line. My question to you is: did Everton not sell one of their best players to a bigger club last summer? Did Everton not lose their highly successful manager to a bigger club last summer? Did Everton spend millions in the transfer market last summer? Did Everton find success by appointing a very good new manager, making a couple of brilliant loan signings, and bringing through a few quality young players? So are you saying Everton aren't ambitious? Was that criminal? They let their manager and a top player go because they didn't have much choice, kept Baines because the offer wasn't good enough and did OK as I recall. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

5:49pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

It is appears from the interviews just held on Sky sports news that Derby will be keeping their manager and we can do one. Strike McClaren off then.

Suits me, though there are possibly those on here who don't see it that way.
Is tomorrow too soon to expect the long list or even the short list?
It is appears from the interviews just held on Sky sports news that Derby will be keeping their manager and we can do one. Strike McClaren off then. Suits me, though there are possibly those on here who don't see it that way. Is tomorrow too soon to expect the long list or even the short list? jls217
  • Score: -3

6:04pm Thu 29 May 14

upwherewebelong says...

Ralph is beginning to grasp that all us fans want is communication and his 2 interviews i've read have made me much more confident. My only criticism is of Adam Leitch's drippy weak questions compared to Radio Solents. You can tell he'll never graduate to a grown up paper as he doesn't have the quality. Overall though thank you Ralph for reassuring the fans.
Ralph is beginning to grasp that all us fans want is communication and his 2 interviews i've read have made me much more confident. My only criticism is of Adam Leitch's drippy weak questions compared to Radio Solents. You can tell he'll never graduate to a grown up paper as he doesn't have the quality. Overall though thank you Ralph for reassuring the fans. upwherewebelong
  • Score: 0

7:19pm Thu 29 May 14

deepheat says...

BREAKING NEWS

RICKY LAMBERT CLOSE TO SIGNING FOR LIVERPOOL FOR £9 MILLION.

WTF
BREAKING NEWS RICKY LAMBERT CLOSE TO SIGNING FOR LIVERPOOL FOR £9 MILLION. WTF deepheat
  • Score: 0

7:24pm Thu 29 May 14

InCortesewetrust says...

deepheat wrote:
BREAKING NEWS

RICKY LAMBERT CLOSE TO SIGNING FOR LIVERPOOL FOR £9 MILLION.

WTF
http://www.sportsmol
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erpool/transfer-talk
/news/betting-suspen
ded-on-lambert-to-li
verpool_157389.html
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS RICKY LAMBERT CLOSE TO SIGNING FOR LIVERPOOL FOR £9 MILLION. WTF[/p][/quote]http://www.sportsmol e.co.uk/football/liv erpool/transfer-talk /news/betting-suspen ded-on-lambert-to-li verpool_157389.html InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 1

7:27pm Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

jls217 wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Golden_Salamander wrote:
Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date.

HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear.

The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area..
Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer.
Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.
'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em)
It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.
"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere.

Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened.

As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right.

In my day it was Take That that was all the rage.
Don't know who it is you think you've made the connection with me is but I can assure you you're barking up the wrong tree Red.

I'm sure you and Take That were very comfortable with each other.

Please show the evidence for anything that Les Reed tried to re-assure us with at the time, that was untruthful. Why would I doubt what Kruger is saying - he's the only source of info that's in the decision making process so I'll have no choice but to take what he says over what the Daily Wail or the DE has to say. Unless you have a source within the club - and I do get a little tired of all that blx, it's also the closest you will have - your choice to listen and believe or not - I won't lose a moment's sleep concerning anything you think.

I've had no axe to grind with you, no idea who you are and not really that bothered to find out either. I've only been posting on here for a few months now and up to a couple of days ago hadn't any reason to remember you for any reason whatsoever.(the only one who sticks in my mind and my gullet too is the social leper who keeps trying to get us to take a look at something the voices in his head thinks they've found which is going to condemn Saints to a lifetime of hell and damnation)

I believe I've defended your and others right to post whatever it is you wish to discuss - if it's something which interests me and I agree with I'll either say so or give a thumbs up and if I think it's more on the knobheadish end of the scale like the one earler I'll say so and maybe give it a thumbs down and the reason I will do that is exactly like you I am entitled to my opinion and to express it freely.

Now whatever little minor rage and skirmish you may be having with others on here please don't attempt to draw me into it. Life is too short. When a sniper takes a shot he has to absolutely sure of his target and in yyour case you're in danger of pulling the trigger with your eyes shut.
Don't like me or my posts - I can live with that, even though I'm such a sensitive soul - I doubt I'll ever be coming round to your gaff for a Sunday lunch or a glass of sherry so I'll survive the snub even given how important you might like to think you are. I promise you this Red you nor anyone else on this forum is important enough for me to single out for any sort of special attention. I'm in my 60's and been in the uniform of this country in one guise or another since I was 15. In that time I have had dealings in one manner or another with esraholes all over the world. Now if you want to continue to spar verbally with the other toys you seem to have attracted to your magnetic personality on this forum then go ahead and do so. Don't include me - I have an inbuilt esrahole radar and it's emitting a loud warning. So to clarify (I really don't like misunderstandings) **** off and play your games with someone who gives a ****
JLS, I tried to make it past the first paragraph, I really did, but alas an acute thought of "what on earth am I doing reading this drivel" washed over me, and alas took your masterpiece with it. Drat! Please don't hold it against me.

And I was out of line to say you were connected to Cabbie. Although your disgusted response doesn't show our friend cabbie in such a good light! I mean you acted as if I had slandered you by comparing your gem posts to his or hers. Poor old Cabbie Santos caught some shrapnel from that little reply.

Now tells us about One Direction!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Golden_Salamander[/bold] wrote: Yesterday was the BEST interviews that Ralph has given to date. HOWEVER I still think there is room for improvement, he still leaves things "vague" in certain areas. I.E. why doesn't he say the words like "NO Player will be sold to the north London yobbos, we will just put the phone down if they phone etc". These are the type of things the FANS want to hear. The PL is a "nasty bit of work" as far a conducting Transfers business and Ralph comes over as "weak" and "naïve" in that area.. Other Clubs (and the London Media and Players) will read his comments from yesterday and still think that we will SELL our best players this summer. Nothing has changed from THEIR point of view.[/p][/quote]'cos that's not the way to do business mate. The best way to get back at Turdingham Shitspur is to take 'em for their money. If they come up with an equal or better offer than anyone else for a player let him go. I think the negotiations etc for players will be carried out by a team which will include Les Read and the manager, a legal beagle and a bean counter. I might be wrong but Freddie's role won't be offering contracts (He's just there to scare 'em) It might be one or more of our players decides their future lies elsewhere and maybe the manager will then decide to sell if the deal is right for us but you heard what Freddie said - they will decide, all the players are under contract and we do not NEED to sell anyone to stay solvent. Puts us in the drivers seat mate but if a player ain't happy no matter who that player is - he may as well go as we're not going to get the best out of him, or if you really wanted to be nasty - tell that player he's going nowhere and neither is his career if he's not even featuring in the reserves - that will focus their attention pretty tut suite.[/p][/quote]"Turdingham Shitspur"you say, oi Harry Styles you wouldn't by chance be realated to Cabbie Santos. I recognise that play on words, guffaw inducing humour anywhere. Freddie said and Freddie said, well you know what last week you lot were bleating on about Les Reed said and Les Reed said and look what happened. As long as the rhetoric is appealing you'll buy into anything, right. In my day it was Take That that was all the rage.[/p][/quote]Don't know who it is you think you've made the connection with me is but I can assure you you're barking up the wrong tree Red. I'm sure you and Take That were very comfortable with each other. Please show the evidence for anything that Les Reed tried to re-assure us with at the time, that was untruthful. Why would I doubt what Kruger is saying - he's the only source of info that's in the decision making process so I'll have no choice but to take what he says over what the Daily Wail or the DE has to say. Unless you have a source within the club - and I do get a little tired of all that blx, it's also the closest you will have - your choice to listen and believe or not - I won't lose a moment's sleep concerning anything you think. I've had no axe to grind with you, no idea who you are and not really that bothered to find out either. I've only been posting on here for a few months now and up to a couple of days ago hadn't any reason to remember you for any reason whatsoever.(the only one who sticks in my mind and my gullet too is the social leper who keeps trying to get us to take a look at something the voices in his head thinks they've found which is going to condemn Saints to a lifetime of hell and damnation) I believe I've defended your and others right to post whatever it is you wish to discuss - if it's something which interests me and I agree with I'll either say so or give a thumbs up and if I think it's more on the knobheadish end of the scale like the one earler I'll say so and maybe give it a thumbs down and the reason I will do that is exactly like you I am entitled to my opinion and to express it freely. Now whatever little minor rage and skirmish you may be having with others on here please don't attempt to draw me into it. Life is too short. When a sniper takes a shot he has to absolutely sure of his target and in yyour case you're in danger of pulling the trigger with your eyes shut. Don't like me or my posts - I can live with that, even though I'm such a sensitive soul - I doubt I'll ever be coming round to your gaff for a Sunday lunch or a glass of sherry so I'll survive the snub even given how important you might like to think you are. I promise you this Red you nor anyone else on this forum is important enough for me to single out for any sort of special attention. I'm in my 60's and been in the uniform of this country in one guise or another since I was 15. In that time I have had dealings in one manner or another with esraholes all over the world. Now if you want to continue to spar verbally with the other toys you seem to have attracted to your magnetic personality on this forum then go ahead and do so. Don't include me - I have an inbuilt esrahole radar and it's emitting a loud warning. So to clarify (I really don't like misunderstandings) **** off and play your games with someone who gives a ****[/p][/quote]JLS, I tried to make it past the first paragraph, I really did, but alas an acute thought of "what on earth am I doing reading this drivel" washed over me, and alas took your masterpiece with it. Drat! Please don't hold it against me. And I was out of line to say you were connected to Cabbie. Although your disgusted response doesn't show our friend cabbie in such a good light! I mean you acted as if I had slandered you by comparing your gem posts to his or hers. Poor old Cabbie Santos caught some shrapnel from that little reply. Now tells us about One Direction! redandy10
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Thu 29 May 14

redandy10 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something?

For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?
Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!!
As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands?
The questions are simple, but you seem too scared to answer them, and resort to your usual namecalling instead.
I am petrified Rising. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS!!, Are you for real?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Now that you're back Andy, how about trying to answer some really easy questions. What exactly was catty about my comment? What exactly is your objection to it? Is it untrue or something? For someone who has been such a very creative namecaller over the years, why are you so sensitive to even the mildest comments about you?[/p][/quote]Rising, for the love of God stop being so caught up in me, people are starting to talk!!! As luck would have it Cabbie Santos and somebody, who more than likely is part of her brood are online, go and talk to them. Do you know much about boy bands?[/p][/quote]The questions are simple, but you seem too scared to answer them, and resort to your usual namecalling instead.[/p][/quote]I am petrified Rising. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS!!, Are you for real? redandy10
  • Score: -2

7:57pm Thu 29 May 14

Malcombe says...

Confucious your comments are very funny loved it and probably like you I am shocked by the deceit that all the Supporters have endured the last 6 months by Potchettino, I thought I could trust him with my Bank Account and Jewellery, I am very angry how I've been fooled after all the compliments I have bestowed on him, I cannot believe I have been so gullible and stupid for so long, he kept up his facade and fooled everyone or did he? I would love to be a fly on the wall wherever the Saints Players are to hear what is there opinion and were they shocked he left or did they know he would leave at the end of the season? To think in the last 6 months he was Coaching his thoughts were elsewhere it disgust me, perhaps the Players may not want to Play for him again because of his dishonesty. If any of the Players defend his decision they too will be tarred with the same brush IMO, if they avoid any questions then they perhaps realise Potchettino has used SFC and feel betrayed only time will tell but I know where my allegiance lies Southampton FC the Saints
Confucious your comments are very funny loved it and probably like you I am shocked by the deceit that all the Supporters have endured the last 6 months by Potchettino, I thought I could trust him with my Bank Account and Jewellery, I am very angry how I've been fooled after all the compliments I have bestowed on him, I cannot believe I have been so gullible and stupid for so long, he kept up his facade and fooled everyone or did he? I would love to be a fly on the wall wherever the Saints Players are to hear what is there opinion and were they shocked he left or did they know he would leave at the end of the season? To think in the last 6 months he was Coaching his thoughts were elsewhere it disgust me, perhaps the Players may not want to Play for him again because of his dishonesty. If any of the Players defend his decision they too will be tarred with the same brush IMO, if they avoid any questions then they perhaps realise Potchettino has used SFC and feel betrayed only time will tell but I know where my allegiance lies Southampton FC the Saints Malcombe
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Thu 29 May 14

thinklikealocal says...

redandy10 wrote:
right back in the bar wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .
Cheers mush!

My posts might sometimes be negative but if that's my opinion should I NOT express it? When you don't agree with them they get catty & god forbid you give it back to them. They like to attack in groups. Prevail playground stuff!

Your spot on about them having nothing better to do. They should be pitied really.
Perhaps it's more a case of make your mind up? What do you want words or actions? Or maybe, you are the one with nothing better to do than moan or groan no mater what's happening? At best, you are contrary.....
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]right back in the bar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]Ignore it and keep posting - the people you refer to don't have much else going for them in life hence the collaboration to put down the likes of you and I. Also keep in mind most are probably arm chair supporters .[/p][/quote]Cheers mush! My posts might sometimes be negative but if that's my opinion should I NOT express it? When you don't agree with them they get catty & god forbid you give it back to them. They like to attack in groups. Prevail playground stuff! Your spot on about them having nothing better to do. They should be pitied really.[/p][/quote]Perhaps it's more a case of make your mind up? What do you want words or actions? Or maybe, you are the one with nothing better to do than moan or groan no mater what's happening? At best, you are contrary..... thinklikealocal
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8:30pm Thu 29 May 14

dadofmy3sons says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
how far up your own arse is your head?
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]how far up your own arse is your head? dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 1

8:35pm Thu 29 May 14

dadofmy3sons says...

redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
redandy10 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action!
Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR!
What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?
Is it untrue or something?
Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!!

This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern.

As for the voting, well we all know who that is!
no you don't know who that is.
You have a very large chip on your shoulder.
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: Typical, someone who wanted words only a couple of days ago, now demands action![/p][/quote]Zzzzzzzzz. First post of the day and another attack on me. I bet you wouldn't have posted posting had I not. PATHETIC BEHAVIOUR![/p][/quote]What exactly is your objection to my comment? It's it untrue our something?[/p][/quote]Is it untrue or something?[/p][/quote]Rising I don't really need to respond. Your actions speak for themselves. PATHETIC!!! The majority of times I post either you, Cabbie Santos or Hedge End Bobby start with the catty comments. It looks PETTY, DESPERATE & UNBELIEVABLY PATHETIC!!! This goes beyond not agreeing with somebody's comments, it looks to have become quite personal on your parts. Which to be honest is a little unsettling for me! It's as you are trying your hardest to force me off this site. Throw in the fact that for over a year I have had this Arfer only posting when I post and there starts to be some cause for concern. As for the voting, well we all know who that is![/p][/quote]no you don't know who that is. You have a very large chip on your shoulder. dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 2

9:43pm Thu 29 May 14

knuckle dragger says...

redandy10 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto.
"Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!!

For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club.......

The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages...
Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits.
They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable.

I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits.

It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.
As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it!

Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving.

Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere.

It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it!
I doubt our next manager will be as good as Poch too, I expect him to be even better!!
[quote][p][bold]redandy10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot for the happy clappers to cling onto. "Any transfers that take place will be under our terms" from "no players will be sold" that is some u-turn !!!!! For me he came across as very naive, he has basically told all our rivals that he is still wet behind the ears. If that is not an invite to pillage our club....... The bottom line is, to have a top 6 team and sustain the position, the club has to pay top 6 wages, last season we paid bottom 6 wages... Less than the likes of Sunderland and Norwich, so, our players who were fantastic last season will want a wage that the league position merits. They are unlikely to get that here so the outcome is inevitable. I read nothing in that interview that tells me we compete at the top next season, we did it this year because we had a manager that got the very best out of our squad, and unless we unearth another MOPO, pay the players a wage equal to the 6th highest team mediocrity awaits. It's a huge dilemma for our club now, either live within our means and struggle or break the bank and gamble. This will be Ralp'sh and the rest of the boards biggest decision.[/p][/quote]As usual a good post based on reality. The interview means very little. The reality is we have to replace a quality manager, will the replacement be as good? I DOUBT it! We will ALMOST certainly have to replace a couple of key players, will we have the pulling power to attract players of Luke and Adam's calibre? I STRONGLY DOUBT it! Before we had NC selling the club dream through ACTIONS, now he's gone, our biggest asset was Poch, now he's gone, our two best players look to be leaving. Pulling power doesn't just come from talk, any players we try to entice to the club will look at recent events and NOT be impressed. Poch was a major factor in attracting quality players, he already had a good reputation before he joined us which further improved during his stay. Just the fact that he was our manager showed players we were going somewhere. It's one thing talking ambition, it's another thing demonstrating it![/p][/quote]I doubt our next manager will be as good as Poch too, I expect him to be even better!! knuckle dragger
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9:46pm Thu 29 May 14

jls217 says...

So there appears to be factions/gangs forming on here for whatever puerile reasons have been manufactured in some twisted mind or other.

I was enjoying some parts of reading the posts here before the headbangers steamed in.

I want no part of this childishness. Wish you all well
So there appears to be factions/gangs forming on here for whatever puerile reasons have been manufactured in some twisted mind or other. I was enjoying some parts of reading the posts here before the headbangers steamed in. I want no part of this childishness. Wish you all well jls217
  • Score: -2

11:21pm Thu 29 May 14

montecristosaint says...

Europe here we come.. whoops we have just sold Lambert, good start...whose next???
Europe here we come.. whoops we have just sold Lambert, good start...whose next??? montecristosaint
  • Score: 2

11:39pm Thu 29 May 14

search for the truth says...

Quote ...........

'We're aiming for Europe' - full interview with Saints chairman Ralph Krueger


This has got to go down as the most stupid statement ever issued by Saint's.
Quote ........... 'We're aiming for Europe' - full interview with Saints chairman Ralph Krueger This has got to go down as the most stupid statement ever issued by Saint's. search for the truth
  • Score: 2

11:44pm Thu 29 May 14

Alty Saint says...

Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!!
Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!! Alty Saint
  • Score: 2

11:57pm Thu 29 May 14

1st May we were there says...

Alty Saint wrote:
Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!!
Just who is this lying dumb f**k?
[quote][p][bold]Alty Saint[/bold] wrote: Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!![/p][/quote]Just who is this lying dumb f**k? 1st May we were there
  • Score: -1

11:58pm Thu 29 May 14

1st May we were there says...

Alty Saint wrote:
Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!!
Just who is this lying dumb f**k?
[quote][p][bold]Alty Saint[/bold] wrote: Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!![/p][/quote]Just who is this lying dumb f**k? 1st May we were there
  • Score: 0

11:58pm Thu 29 May 14

1st May we were there says...

Alty Saint wrote:
Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!!
Just who is this lying dumb f**k?
[quote][p][bold]Alty Saint[/bold] wrote: Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!![/p][/quote]Just who is this lying dumb f**k? 1st May we were there
  • Score: 0

11:58pm Thu 29 May 14

1st May we were there says...

Alty Saint wrote:
Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!!
Just who is this lying dumb f**k?
[quote][p][bold]Alty Saint[/bold] wrote: Rickie is off to Liverpool that tells us everything!![/p][/quote]Just who is this lying dumb f**k? 1st May we were there
  • Score: 1

12:18am Fri 30 May 14

hamblepoint says...

Not sorry to see MoPo go. Bright attacking football with high possession stats did not get us scoring goals. In most matches against teams in the top half of the table the team had run out of steam before halftime; hopefully a new managerial system will cure that problem. If any of our star players want to go then let them for no player is bigger than the team. If they stay committed then they get regular first team football. If they go to a top four club they will spend more time on the subs bench.
Not sorry to see MoPo go. Bright attacking football with high possession stats did not get us scoring goals. In most matches against teams in the top half of the table the team had run out of steam before halftime; hopefully a new managerial system will cure that problem. If any of our star players want to go then let them for no player is bigger than the team. If they stay committed then they get regular first team football. If they go to a top four club they will spend more time on the subs bench. hamblepoint
  • Score: -1

1:36am Fri 30 May 14

deepheat says...

RK and the board will no doubt tell us after the event that legal issues meant they couldn't tell us a thing until the deals were done. In the meantime expect the following from sky sports

Wednesday - Pochettino - gone

Thursday - Lambert - done deal

Friday - Lallana - done deal

Saturday - Shaw - done deal

Sunday - Lovren -done deal

Monday - Clyne - done deal

Tuesday - Schneiderlin - done deal

Wednesday - Wanyama - done deal

Thursday - Osvaldo - no one
RK and the board will no doubt tell us after the event that legal issues meant they couldn't tell us a thing until the deals were done. In the meantime expect the following from sky sports Wednesday - Pochettino - gone Thursday - Lambert - done deal Friday - Lallana - done deal Saturday - Shaw - done deal Sunday - Lovren -done deal Monday - Clyne - done deal Tuesday - Schneiderlin - done deal Wednesday - Wanyama - done deal Thursday - Osvaldo - no one deepheat
  • Score: 1

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