Saints close in on TWO new signings

Ronald Koeman

Ronald Koeman

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Ronald Koeman says Saints are hoping to finalise two transfers this week, with the club understood to be keen on signing Atletico Madrid defender Toby Alderweireld.

The Belgium international, who can play at centre half or right back, is believed to be a serious target ahead of the transfer window closing.

As well as the 25-year-old, Saints are also still hoping to add another wide player to their squad.

Andros Townsend is top of their list in that position, but the club have so far been frustrated in their pursuit of the Spurs player. Norwich’s Nathan Redmond is another they have had an offer rejected for this summer and he could provide another option.

When asked about Alderweireld after last night’s win over Millwall, Koeman said: “I don’t go and talk about names about players.

“In two positions we are trying to bring in new players and we hope to bring in this week.

“The club is doing everything for that and I hope that we will finish with that this week.”

If Saints can complete a move for Alderweireld it would cast further doubt over the future of Jack Cork, who scored his first ever goal for the club in the Capital One Cup win at the Den last night. Cork had been earmarked as cover for Nathaniel Clyne at right back and Koeman was again quizzed on his future.

“He’s a player of Southampton,” said the Saints boss, who confirmed there were no immediate plans to offer the player a new contract, with his current deal set to expire next summer.

“About him there was a lot of rumours, but Jack is doing very well and wants to stay in Southampton.

“Okay, if there is any possibility for him, and when he is not happy, then he knows the door is open of my office and he can come to talk and then we will see what the best is for everyone in this situation.”

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6:58am Wed 27 Aug 14

NC Fan4Life says...

Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season.
Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.
Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season. Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out. NC Fan4Life
  • Score: 63

7:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

Hopefully Corky will be offered a new contract. As for bringing Dross Townsend that would good as long as it's not part of swap deal for Morgan. The speculation isn't going away Alderweireld, he wants to play regularly in Premier League apparently which he won't get if he goes to Arsenal so why not
not?
Hopefully Corky will be offered a new contract. As for bringing Dross Townsend that would good as long as it's not part of swap deal for Morgan. The speculation isn't going away Alderweireld, he wants to play regularly in Premier League apparently which he won't get if he goes to Arsenal so why not not? Outside of the Box
  • Score: 35

7:42am Wed 27 Aug 14

Oldfan says...

We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.
We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option. Oldfan
  • Score: 25

7:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

Oldfan says...

Oh WBA!!!
Oh WBA!!! Oldfan
  • Score: -34

7:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

hedge end bob says...

Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy.
Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy. hedge end bob
  • Score: 101

7:54am Wed 27 Aug 14

Hobson82 says...

Oldfan wrote:
We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.
Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back.
[quote][p][bold]Oldfan[/bold] wrote: We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.[/p][/quote]Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back. Hobson82
  • Score: 22

8:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

What is all this nonsense about Cork. The club is acting in a very strange way here. If he wants to stay in Southampton as the story above suggests then his signing is as important as any new signing, Even if the club don't want him it still makes sense to give him a contract long enough to up his asking price. He's easily worth £10 million at today's prices. There are a few fans who consider him a squad player but he is much better than that. It's just that his position isn't an eyecatching, glamourous one. He works his butt off in midfield and has been a fan favourite for a good few years now. Very strange behaviour by the club and worth a bit of digging to find out the true story behind this. So come on DE do a bit of proper journalism and find out the true reason why his contract is just running down, costing the club many millions.
What is all this nonsense about Cork. The club is acting in a very strange way here. If he wants to stay in Southampton as the story above suggests then his signing is as important as any new signing, Even if the club don't want him it still makes sense to give him a contract long enough to up his asking price. He's easily worth £10 million at today's prices. There are a few fans who consider him a squad player but he is much better than that. It's just that his position isn't an eyecatching, glamourous one. He works his butt off in midfield and has been a fan favourite for a good few years now. Very strange behaviour by the club and worth a bit of digging to find out the true story behind this. So come on DE do a bit of proper journalism and find out the true reason why his contract is just running down, costing the club many millions. Clever Dick
  • Score: 129

8:35am Wed 27 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 82

9:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR! george chivers
  • Score: -8

9:09am Wed 27 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

Had cork down as a future England regular. Admittedly his shooting is appalling but all round play is good. Needs more playing time.
Had cork down as a future England regular. Admittedly his shooting is appalling but all round play is good. Needs more playing time. Rooflas
  • Score: 37

9:20am Wed 27 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

I 100% agree that Jack needs a new contract offered to him, either within the week or if he’s still here 2 September then 1 January! He’s so underrated it’s untrue. Plus another massive point is, Jrods best mate at the club is Jack Cork, sell Cork and Jay could want out.
I 100% agree that Jack needs a new contract offered to him, either within the week or if he’s still here 2 September then 1 January! He’s so underrated it’s untrue. Plus another massive point is, Jrods best mate at the club is Jack Cork, sell Cork and Jay could want out. TGodSFC
  • Score: 50

9:24am Wed 27 Aug 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

Cork needs and deserves a new deal, once again just like the Fulham game when he came on at half time he changed the game. We created so much more in the 2nd half against millwall, I'm sorry but VW can't pass for sh*t and it slows up play he would probz be better of playing at CB. Clyne was also solid last night so pleased we held on to him he is quality and will only get better.
Cork needs and deserves a new deal, once again just like the Fulham game when he came on at half time he changed the game. We created so much more in the 2nd half against millwall, I'm sorry but VW can't pass for sh*t and it slows up play he would probz be better of playing at CB. Clyne was also solid last night so pleased we held on to him he is quality and will only get better. SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 43

9:26am Wed 27 Aug 14

SouthLondonSaint says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season.
Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.
Samuel Eto'o are you taking the ****?
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season. Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.[/p][/quote]Samuel Eto'o are you taking the ****? SouthLondonSaint
  • Score: 25

9:27am Wed 27 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

Townsend is a gamble ... jury is out on him... shines brightly then the light goes out for months.

Cork is class - keep him. He's broken the goal duck.. great things ahead for him I think given half a chance. Koeman sees more in him than the Argy did.

These two other potnetial signings are just glimmers of hope I still doubt they will happen.
Townsend is a gamble ... jury is out on him... shines brightly then the light goes out for months. Cork is class - keep him. He's broken the goal duck.. great things ahead for him I think given half a chance. Koeman sees more in him than the Argy did. These two other potnetial signings are just glimmers of hope I still doubt they will happen. Alicesdad
  • Score: 3

9:34am Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter. Benali76
  • Score: 37

9:41am Wed 27 Aug 14

Saint-Mike says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa.

I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa. I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork Saint-Mike
  • Score: 18

9:47am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Last night I heard a commentator mention that Long had had a complete miskick which accidentally led to the second goal (or words similar) I've just seen the you tube film which shows Long delivering a very cheeky little piece of skill.

http://www.youtube.c
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Last night I heard a commentator mention that Long had had a complete miskick which accidentally led to the second goal (or words similar) I've just seen the you tube film which shows Long delivering a very cheeky little piece of skill. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_detailpage&v=ojV emOvvLS4#t=5 jls217
  • Score: 13

9:48am Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year fascia123
  • Score: 3

9:49am Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

With so much choice in the midfield, I wouldn't want to be making the call. Personally everyone has their faults, but I thought Vic had a great game against Liverpool. I want to see Saphir Taider get another run.
With so much choice in the midfield, I wouldn't want to be making the call. Personally everyone has their faults, but I thought Vic had a great game against Liverpool. I want to see Saphir Taider get another run. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 10

9:50am Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Whomever we do or do not get is secondary to a fire in the belly go get em approach that even last night was missing for large spells of the game…

We do not go hunting teams down anymore, the style of play is of more concern than the players who do have the talent but seem lacking in self belief or something..
Whomever we do or do not get is secondary to a fire in the belly go get em approach that even last night was missing for large spells of the game… We do not go hunting teams down anymore, the style of play is of more concern than the players who do have the talent but seem lacking in self belief or something.. warrens 76
  • Score: 6

9:51am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Hobson82 wrote:
Oldfan wrote:
We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.
Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back.
But we have his younger brother who might, just might make him concentrate on is trade. With him and Bertrand operating on the same flank it would make us pretty solid down the left flank. Surely he's just too good to be left festering in reserve teams or loaned out for the rest of his career. Can we match his wages though?
[quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldfan[/bold] wrote: We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.[/p][/quote]Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back.[/p][/quote]But we have his younger brother who might, just might make him concentrate on is trade. With him and Bertrand operating on the same flank it would make us pretty solid down the left flank. Surely he's just too good to be left festering in reserve teams or loaned out for the rest of his career. Can we match his wages though? jls217
  • Score: -3

9:51am Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 3

9:56am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Seed - slow down. Nobody knows who is being treated how, who has said what, who wants what - we know nowt. If any deal is offered and it's mutually beneficial then he's happy, I'm happy and he stays. If one side thinks it's not getting what it wants then he won't stay.
If he walks let him go with our blessing, he's been a bit of an unsung hero here and his attitude of doing his talking on the field and not in the social media is great.
Jack will do what's best for Jack and Saints will do what's best for Saints and if the two gel then we're fine if not then he goes, but that's football.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Seed - slow down. Nobody knows who is being treated how, who has said what, who wants what - we know nowt. If any deal is offered and it's mutually beneficial then he's happy, I'm happy and he stays. If one side thinks it's not getting what it wants then he won't stay. If he walks let him go with our blessing, he's been a bit of an unsung hero here and his attitude of doing his talking on the field and not in the social media is great. Jack will do what's best for Jack and Saints will do what's best for Saints and if the two gel then we're fine if not then he goes, but that's football. jls217
  • Score: 21

9:56am Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right. fascia123
  • Score: 1

10:00am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Love the defender talk, less keen on the Cork talk. Townsend wise I'm not convinced I'd pick him over a host of other wing options that seem to be available or viably available. Seems to me that wingers aren't too hard to come by, so don't think we should be spending above the £8M mark.

Options would include Redmond, Gayle at an unsettled, rudderless Palace (and I like Bolasyie also), Zaha (unless he's gone already), Ben Arfa. That's just a quick brain dump, but I'm sure there are others, including a potential loan signing of maybe Salah from Chelsea, who seems unlikely to get much of a game.

Basically, there are so many options in England alone that I don't think we should be being held to ransom on Andros Townsend.
Love the defender talk, less keen on the Cork talk. Townsend wise I'm not convinced I'd pick him over a host of other wing options that seem to be available or viably available. Seems to me that wingers aren't too hard to come by, so don't think we should be spending above the £8M mark. Options would include Redmond, Gayle at an unsettled, rudderless Palace (and I like Bolasyie also), Zaha (unless he's gone already), Ben Arfa. That's just a quick brain dump, but I'm sure there are others, including a potential loan signing of maybe Salah from Chelsea, who seems unlikely to get much of a game. Basically, there are so many options in England alone that I don't think we should be being held to ransom on Andros Townsend. SaintJD
  • Score: 9

10:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
If they did do a 180 on the decision, They had better be transparent and open in their statements about it. In my opinion, failure to do so wouldn't be doing the board any favors when it comes to supporters trusting what they say in the future.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]If they did do a 180 on the decision, They had better be transparent and open in their statements about it. In my opinion, failure to do so wouldn't be doing the board any favors when it comes to supporters trusting what they say in the future. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 5

10:03am Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

jls217 wrote:
Hobson82 wrote:
Oldfan wrote:
We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.
Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back.
But we have his younger brother who might, just might make him concentrate on is trade. With him and Bertrand operating on the same flank it would make us pretty solid down the left flank. Surely he's just too good to be left festering in reserve teams or loaned out for the rest of his career. Can we match his wages though?
Man city have been the undoing of a few promising talents over recent years buy players with a kid in a candy shop eye and then they sit in the reserves for two seasons.

Rodwell looked useful for Sunderland the other day so you may just be right Sinclair in front of Bertrand, currently the full back that looks better is the one that Tadic plays in front of and when he switches so does our threat, so to have that on both sides with Pelle or Long would be good.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hobson82[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oldfan[/bold] wrote: We need Cork who is an excellent player - Townsend is another Spurs sick note. Wonder what has happened with Sinclair at Man City? He would be a better option.[/p][/quote]Sinclair is a talented player, but don't think he is a Saints player. He spends more time on the front of the tabloids than the back.[/p][/quote]But we have his younger brother who might, just might make him concentrate on is trade. With him and Bertrand operating on the same flank it would make us pretty solid down the left flank. Surely he's just too good to be left festering in reserve teams or loaned out for the rest of his career. Can we match his wages though?[/p][/quote]Man city have been the undoing of a few promising talents over recent years buy players with a kid in a candy shop eye and then they sit in the reserves for two seasons. Rodwell looked useful for Sunderland the other day so you may just be right Sinclair in front of Bertrand, currently the full back that looks better is the one that Tadic plays in front of and when he switches so does our threat, so to have that on both sides with Pelle or Long would be good. fascia123
  • Score: 5

10:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest.

If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest. If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense. SaintJD
  • Score: 16

10:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

Alderweireld or Van Dyck plus Redmond would put us back on track with developing younger players. We are feeling Jay Rods absence but we have already bought two older strikers so could do with a good young striker to push Gallagher. I wouldn’t expect Cerci to come.

With regards to Cork. I am not too concerned. I imagine that his agent has just reached a stalemate in contract negotiations with board. It seems like he will be here after the window closes so no great shakes TBH. I can’t see Saints offering him any less than other clubs and we need him really. He IS a squad player BTW. They all are, it the modern game.
Alderweireld or Van Dyck plus Redmond would put us back on track with developing younger players. We are feeling Jay Rods absence but we have already bought two older strikers so could do with a good young striker to push Gallagher. I wouldn’t expect Cerci to come. With regards to Cork. I am not too concerned. I imagine that his agent has just reached a stalemate in contract negotiations with board. It seems like he will be here after the window closes so no great shakes TBH. I can’t see Saints offering him any less than other clubs and we need him really. He IS a squad player BTW. They all are, it the modern game. Jesus_02
  • Score: 7

10:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

http://sfcne.ws/Sims
U18Call


Another legend being born. They just keep coming.

This lad will probably still be thrilling Saints fans when they turn me into worm food. Grab the chance young man and enjoy every fleeting moment of it.
http://sfcne.ws/Sims U18Call Another legend being born. They just keep coming. This lad will probably still be thrilling Saints fans when they turn me into worm food. Grab the chance young man and enjoy every fleeting moment of it. jls217
  • Score: 8

10:04am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

http://sfcne.ws/Sims
U18Call


Another legend being born. They just keep coming.

This lad will probably still be thrilling Saints fans when they turn me into worm food. Grab the chance young man and enjoy every fleeting moment of it.
http://sfcne.ws/Sims U18Call Another legend being born. They just keep coming. This lad will probably still be thrilling Saints fans when they turn me into worm food. Grab the chance young man and enjoy every fleeting moment of it. jls217
  • Score: 6

10:05am Wed 27 Aug 14

Saint-Mike says...

I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond
on-today.co.uk/Sport
.cfm?id=6316
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316 Saint-Mike
  • Score: -3

10:06am Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Love the defender talk, less keen on the Cork talk. Townsend wise I'm not convinced I'd pick him over a host of other wing options that seem to be available or viably available. Seems to me that wingers aren't too hard to come by, so don't think we should be spending above the £8M mark.

Options would include Redmond, Gayle at an unsettled, rudderless Palace (and I like Bolasyie also), Zaha (unless he's gone already), Ben Arfa. That's just a quick brain dump, but I'm sure there are others, including a potential loan signing of maybe Salah from Chelsea, who seems unlikely to get much of a game.

Basically, there are so many options in England alone that I don't think we should be being held to ransom on Andros Townsend.
Good point, I am wondering why the possible Townsend transfer story keeps hanging around.... Sounds like spurs don't want to part with him out of spite.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Love the defender talk, less keen on the Cork talk. Townsend wise I'm not convinced I'd pick him over a host of other wing options that seem to be available or viably available. Seems to me that wingers aren't too hard to come by, so don't think we should be spending above the £8M mark. Options would include Redmond, Gayle at an unsettled, rudderless Palace (and I like Bolasyie also), Zaha (unless he's gone already), Ben Arfa. That's just a quick brain dump, but I'm sure there are others, including a potential loan signing of maybe Salah from Chelsea, who seems unlikely to get much of a game. Basically, there are so many options in England alone that I don't think we should be being held to ransom on Andros Townsend.[/p][/quote]Good point, I am wondering why the possible Townsend transfer story keeps hanging around.... Sounds like spurs don't want to part with him out of spite. KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 6

10:07am Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
If they did do a 180 on the decision, They had better be transparent and open in their statements about it. In my opinion, failure to do so wouldn't be doing the board any favors when it comes to supporters trusting what they say in the future.
Agreed
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]If they did do a 180 on the decision, They had better be transparent and open in their statements about it. In my opinion, failure to do so wouldn't be doing the board any favors when it comes to supporters trusting what they say in the future.[/p][/quote]Agreed fascia123
  • Score: 4

10:08am Wed 27 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

Breaking News!!! Palace are set to sign Jack Cork.

What the hell are you playing at letting him go !!!
Breaking News!!! Palace are set to sign Jack Cork. What the hell are you playing at letting him go !!! TGodSFC
  • Score: 4

10:10am Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond

on-today.co.uk/Sport

.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down. jls217
  • Score: 6

10:12am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

jls217 wrote:
Last night I heard a commentator mention that Long had had a complete miskick which accidentally led to the second goal (or words similar) I've just seen the you tube film which shows Long delivering a very cheeky little piece of skill.

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?feature=pla

yer_detailpage&v
=ojV
emOvvLS4#t=5
That's hilarious - love it. The commentator last night was seriously annoying and seemed to enjoy knocking our players.

I'm happy. Three games, two very promising performances and one misfire, which was at home unfortunately. Looking strong defensively and, bar the home game, we've produced enough good chances to win the majority of games. Pelle and Long will only get better as long as people are patient. I think things are looking good.

Generally, though the jury is very much still out, I think the incoming players are looking like good business.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: Last night I heard a commentator mention that Long had had a complete miskick which accidentally led to the second goal (or words similar) I've just seen the you tube film which shows Long delivering a very cheeky little piece of skill. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?feature=pla yer_detailpage&v =ojV emOvvLS4#t=5[/p][/quote]That's hilarious - love it. The commentator last night was seriously annoying and seemed to enjoy knocking our players. I'm happy. Three games, two very promising performances and one misfire, which was at home unfortunately. Looking strong defensively and, bar the home game, we've produced enough good chances to win the majority of games. Pelle and Long will only get better as long as people are patient. I think things are looking good. Generally, though the jury is very much still out, I think the incoming players are looking like good business. SaintJD
  • Score: 8

10:19am Wed 27 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

i'm just thinking back to those dark days when things looked really bad and Kruger said 'judge me on the 1st September'...well if we keep Spider and bring in two more good additions, I don't think the club and the much maligned Les Reed have done so bad, in fact we WILL have a stronger squad which when it has time together will be a real force...reason to be cheerful for sure...
i'm just thinking back to those dark days when things looked really bad and Kruger said 'judge me on the 1st September'...well if we keep Spider and bring in two more good additions, I don't think the club and the much maligned Les Reed have done so bad, in fact we WILL have a stronger squad which when it has time together will be a real force...reason to be cheerful for sure... Wembley76
  • Score: 14

10:30am Wed 27 Aug 14

Mister E says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa.

I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork
There always will be more questions than answers for us. The club, apart from all the other reasons, don't have the time to inform us of all the minutiae of the daily goings on. Football is a fluid business, things changing and evolving all the time. What was true a week or two ago may not be now. As far as defenders are concerned, there may be an injury worse than first thought, or taking longer to recover from etc, maybe a new one or an opportunity in the market has opened up that wasn't there when the statement was made.
So far, I've not been given any reason to not trust what "They" have said.
Yes, there was uncertainty this summer (if I can put it that way), but giving them time to prove themselves, I for one, think they are delivering.
As for Cork, I've not heard that he is unhappy or unsettled, so it may be that he and RK are easy with the situation. Maybe they are allowing the club to concentrate on the transfer market first. Or maybe RK being new, didn't know that much about him (as he is a bit of an un-sung hero) so giving him time to prove himself. These are possible explanations as is the thought that RK has other ideas and, as disappointing as it may be, they don't include him. But, as I said, Cork doesn't appear to be too unhappy/unsettled so maybe contract discussions will evolve once the transfer merry go round has concluded.
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa. I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork[/p][/quote]There always will be more questions than answers for us. The club, apart from all the other reasons, don't have the time to inform us of all the minutiae of the daily goings on. Football is a fluid business, things changing and evolving all the time. What was true a week or two ago may not be now. As far as defenders are concerned, there may be an injury worse than first thought, or taking longer to recover from etc, maybe a new one or an opportunity in the market has opened up that wasn't there when the statement was made. So far, I've not been given any reason to not trust what "They" have said. Yes, there was uncertainty this summer (if I can put it that way), but giving them time to prove themselves, I for one, think they are delivering. As for Cork, I've not heard that he is unhappy or unsettled, so it may be that he and RK are easy with the situation. Maybe they are allowing the club to concentrate on the transfer market first. Or maybe RK being new, didn't know that much about him (as he is a bit of an un-sung hero) so giving him time to prove himself. These are possible explanations as is the thought that RK has other ideas and, as disappointing as it may be, they don't include him. But, as I said, Cork doesn't appear to be too unhappy/unsettled so maybe contract discussions will evolve once the transfer merry go round has concluded. Mister E
  • Score: 7

10:40am Wed 27 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond


on-today.co.uk/Sport


.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied! TGodSFC
  • Score: 3

10:43am Wed 27 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

There's a lot of simmering argument going on this week on these threads.

I predict a riot.
There's a lot of simmering argument going on this week on these threads. I predict a riot. Alicesdad
  • Score: -8

10:44am Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post. Benali76
  • Score: 1

10:45am Wed 27 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Let's be honest here...Cork is a good back up. That's all. If we sold Morgan and gave Cork the position to fill you'd all kick off!! ..."no ambition etc etc!"

Koeman and the club know that we've got youngsters coming through that will be twice the player Cork would be. I'd rather see them get the chance to play.
Let's be honest here...Cork is a good back up. That's all. If we sold Morgan and gave Cork the position to fill you'd all kick off!! ..."no ambition etc etc!" Koeman and the club know that we've got youngsters coming through that will be twice the player Cork would be. I'd rather see them get the chance to play. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -7

10:46am Wed 27 Aug 14

Chapperall says...

Good that we are still after additional players to reinforce the team. On Townsend he is apparently keen to go as he has been frozen out at Spurs, but not sure if he is really going to give us the spark we need up front. I certainly wouldn't pay an inflated price for him.
There is also no question that Cork should stay he is a very capable player and we would regret letting him go. He also is not a Moaner and would I think be happy to be used as a sub.
Getting another CB in is a good idea as we have nor real cover for Fonte.
Good to see Pelle got a goal last night and let's hope this will give him confidence to go on.
Good that we are still after additional players to reinforce the team. On Townsend he is apparently keen to go as he has been frozen out at Spurs, but not sure if he is really going to give us the spark we need up front. I certainly wouldn't pay an inflated price for him. There is also no question that Cork should stay he is a very capable player and we would regret letting him go. He also is not a Moaner and would I think be happy to be used as a sub. Getting another CB in is a good idea as we have nor real cover for Fonte. Good to see Pelle got a goal last night and let's hope this will give him confidence to go on. Chapperall
  • Score: 9

10:51am Wed 27 Aug 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

Benali76 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.
If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater.

I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.[/p][/quote]If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater. I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like. SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 3

10:59am Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa.

I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork
Good Point.
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]I have a feeling RK announced he was not going to sign more defenders just to get Paul Lambert off his back by showing he was not trying to get Vlaar from Villa. I agree it seems very silly not to be agreeing a new contract with Jack Cork[/p][/quote]Good Point. george chivers
  • Score: 3

11:13am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
I agree on the Cork comment, although none of us know whether it is the club treating him badly or him just not committing to the club so I don't think we can necessarily blame them unless we know the facts.

In terms of pointing out the spend verses cash invested I don't think the club has ever said we need to balance the books, at any point since coming in.

They said we had some issues, but the way I see it we seem perfectly happy to part with all the money we've got in from player transfers. That's been reflected in the fact we haven't shirked some big, above the odds fees.

In terms of the Ronko defender comment, people's opinions can change very quickly. Rodgers categorically said Mario wasn't joining the club, but three weeks later he's welcoming him with open arms.

Basically they can't really win. We want them to make concrete statements, they make them, but then we pick them up if they change their minds. Clearly Ron said he didn't want a defender, but if someone too good to miss turns up or if he reassesses, I don't begrudge him doing a u-turn. Plus, of course, this is only speculation.

As for the comment on Florin, he's left sided and the guy they want to bring in is right sided, so all this ungrounded speculation (thus far) that he is badly injured (was on the bench last night though wasn't he?) or 'another Forren' is pure negative speculation.

Let's make those statements when we've seen the guy in action or if he hasn't played a first team game in the first few months.

Besides - maybe Maya hasn't done anything to deserve being dropped?

I don't think many of us would argue that the defensive depth needs strengthening, so if anything, Ron changing his mind would increase my confidence in him and show he's not stubborn enough to change his mind.

Not knocking you, just putting another perspective on it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]I agree on the Cork comment, although none of us know whether it is the club treating him badly or him just not committing to the club so I don't think we can necessarily blame them unless we know the facts. In terms of pointing out the spend verses cash invested I don't think the club has ever said we need to balance the books, at any point since coming in. They said we had some issues, but the way I see it we seem perfectly happy to part with all the money we've got in from player transfers. That's been reflected in the fact we haven't shirked some big, above the odds fees. In terms of the Ronko defender comment, people's opinions can change very quickly. Rodgers categorically said Mario wasn't joining the club, but three weeks later he's welcoming him with open arms. Basically they can't really win. We want them to make concrete statements, they make them, but then we pick them up if they change their minds. Clearly Ron said he didn't want a defender, but if someone too good to miss turns up or if he reassesses, I don't begrudge him doing a u-turn. Plus, of course, this is only speculation. As for the comment on Florin, he's left sided and the guy they want to bring in is right sided, so all this ungrounded speculation (thus far) that he is badly injured (was on the bench last night though wasn't he?) or 'another Forren' is pure negative speculation. Let's make those statements when we've seen the guy in action or if he hasn't played a first team game in the first few months. Besides - maybe Maya hasn't done anything to deserve being dropped? I don't think many of us would argue that the defensive depth needs strengthening, so if anything, Ron changing his mind would increase my confidence in him and show he's not stubborn enough to change his mind. Not knocking you, just putting another perspective on it. SaintJD
  • Score: 11

11:17am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it. SaintPC
  • Score: 14

11:25am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.
If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater.

I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.
The whole Morgan thing is going to be interesting because if he goes there will be a lot of justification in people saying Krueger and Ron have lied.

I have sympathy with that and I was delighted with the stance we've taken on him.

That said, in a lot of ways I don't think that selling him would be a terrible move when you look at our depth in that area.

I certainly don't agree with the Shaw, Adam, Rickie and Lovren are bad players line - I think they are all class - but our replacements, plus Forster, aren't looking like the problem by any means.

The biggest loss is MoPo's style of play, but I think we knew that was going to be the case. Bertrand is a better defender than Shaw, just marginally not as dynamic going forward, Tadic could well be as good if not better than Adam based on early form and Forster looks the business to me, certainly not a step backwards.

Are Long and Pelle as good as the players they've replaced (Rickie and Guly)? I'd be confident as a pairing that they have a good chance of being.

Lovren replacement? We have nothing to go on, so we'll have to wait and see on that one. We'll be doing well to have bought someone as good but you never know.

The biggest thing we need to get used to is the change in the style of play, because the actual quality of squad isn't significantly poorer based on the evidence I've seen so far.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.[/p][/quote]If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater. I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.[/p][/quote]The whole Morgan thing is going to be interesting because if he goes there will be a lot of justification in people saying Krueger and Ron have lied. I have sympathy with that and I was delighted with the stance we've taken on him. That said, in a lot of ways I don't think that selling him would be a terrible move when you look at our depth in that area. I certainly don't agree with the Shaw, Adam, Rickie and Lovren are bad players line - I think they are all class - but our replacements, plus Forster, aren't looking like the problem by any means. The biggest loss is MoPo's style of play, but I think we knew that was going to be the case. Bertrand is a better defender than Shaw, just marginally not as dynamic going forward, Tadic could well be as good if not better than Adam based on early form and Forster looks the business to me, certainly not a step backwards. Are Long and Pelle as good as the players they've replaced (Rickie and Guly)? I'd be confident as a pairing that they have a good chance of being. Lovren replacement? We have nothing to go on, so we'll have to wait and see on that one. We'll be doing well to have bought someone as good but you never know. The biggest thing we need to get used to is the change in the style of play, because the actual quality of squad isn't significantly poorer based on the evidence I've seen so far. SaintJD
  • Score: 6

11:31am Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

When we assess our squad as well, let's not forget Jay Rod. Long and Pelle are replacing Rickie and Guly (or Osvaldo - same difference), NOT Rickie and Jay Rod. I think that puts a different perspective on the business we've done, especially when you take the Rickie age factor into account (though ideally I'd have liked us to have him as an option as well for the money we got for him).
When we assess our squad as well, let's not forget Jay Rod. Long and Pelle are replacing Rickie and Guly (or Osvaldo - same difference), NOT Rickie and Jay Rod. I think that puts a different perspective on the business we've done, especially when you take the Rickie age factor into account (though ideally I'd have liked us to have him as an option as well for the money we got for him). SaintJD
  • Score: 3

11:32am Wed 27 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond



on-today.co.uk/Sport



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Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."claiming
".
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."claiming ". TGodSFC
  • Score: -1

11:36am Wed 27 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

I have been told that Corky is now living in Lamberts house Has he bought it or is it just a temporary move ?
Like many I will be gutted if they let Cork go but the guy needs more time on the pitch
I have been told that Corky is now living in Lamberts house Has he bought it or is it just a temporary move ? Like many I will be gutted if they let Cork go but the guy needs more time on the pitch Saintsayer II
  • Score: 6

11:50am Wed 27 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond




on-today.co.uk/Sport




.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla
iming
".
I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'.

Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night.

Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate!

As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it.

However, here are some facts.
1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board.
2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do.
3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap.

I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him.
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla iming ".[/p][/quote]I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'. Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night. Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate! As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it. However, here are some facts. 1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board. 2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do. 3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap. I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

11:55am Wed 27 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

NC Fan4Life wrote:
Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season.
Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.
You think we should have signed Eto'o, and I see elsewhere you're calling for a return to the Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game. Eto'o would need oxygen after about 20 minutes of that sort of approach.
[quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season. Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.[/p][/quote]You think we should have signed Eto'o, and I see elsewhere you're calling for a return to the Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game. Eto'o would need oxygen after about 20 minutes of that sort of approach. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 7

11:56am Wed 27 Aug 14

Wembley76 says...

btw..Do we know why Spider was absent last night? The cynic would say that he was avoiding be cup tied, an optimistic, that he was just being rested ahead of Saturday...any specific news / facts?
btw..Do we know why Spider was absent last night? The cynic would say that he was avoiding be cup tied, an optimistic, that he was just being rested ahead of Saturday...any specific news / facts? Wembley76
  • Score: 4

11:58am Wed 27 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not. InsideOutCat
  • Score: 6

12:01pm Wed 27 Aug 14

InsideOutCat says...

TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond




on-today.co.uk/Sport




.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla
iming
".
Sky Sports' big word, not RK's
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla iming ".[/p][/quote]Sky Sports' big word, not RK's InsideOutCat
  • Score: 2

12:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Velleity says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
"Just guessing". Yes.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]"Just guessing". Yes. Velleity
  • Score: 2

12:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

TGodSFC says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond





on-today.co.uk/Sport





.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla

iming
".
I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'.

Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night.

Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate!

As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it.

However, here are some facts.
1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board.
2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do.
3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap.

I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him.
Personally I think Jack deserves a place in the first team, but that’s my opinion. If Victor or Morgan or Steven gets injured then we’re f@cked, rotation is key in modern day football and if the board are serious about the possibility of European football (which would be achievable with a cup final) then players like Jack are essential IMO. To let him go for 3/5M is crazy, I hope he stays and I hope he can get a run of games, for the sake of #SFC and #England.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla iming ".[/p][/quote]I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'. Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night. Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate! As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it. However, here are some facts. 1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board. 2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do. 3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap. I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him.[/p][/quote]Personally I think Jack deserves a place in the first team, but that’s my opinion. If Victor or Morgan or Steven gets injured then we’re f@cked, rotation is key in modern day football and if the board are serious about the possibility of European football (which would be achievable with a cup final) then players like Jack are essential IMO. To let him go for 3/5M is crazy, I hope he stays and I hope he can get a run of games, for the sake of #SFC and #England. TGodSFC
  • Score: 5

12:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

elvis says...

How about Corky & Spyder in the midfield ..... forget Townsend & sign Clasie ....the Belgium guy would truly be the icing on the cake !! Fantastic that Pelle scored last night ,let's hope that gives him confidence & helps him find his feet .x
How about Corky & Spyder in the midfield ..... forget Townsend & sign Clasie ....the Belgium guy would truly be the icing on the cake !! Fantastic that Pelle scored last night ,let's hope that gives him confidence & helps him find his feet .x elvis
  • Score: 10

12:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

I see a lack of bedwetters, neggies etc on the last few articles seems they havent the guts to post or congratulate saints and be proven wrong..good riddance to them and the skates who pretend to be other fans to cause unrest....LFc allways has been quiete lately ...;youre **** without suarez'! great to hear the real fans last night were encouraging Pelle and thats the way to get him firing not slagging him before hes had chance...He could turn out to be a beast of a striker once he gets settled in......
I see a lack of bedwetters, neggies etc on the last few articles seems they havent the guts to post or congratulate saints and be proven wrong..good riddance to them and the skates who pretend to be other fans to cause unrest....LFc allways has been quiete lately ...;youre **** without suarez'! great to hear the real fans last night were encouraging Pelle and thats the way to get him firing not slagging him before hes had chance...He could turn out to be a beast of a striker once he gets settled in...... miltonnroad76
  • Score: 13

12:15pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -3

12:16pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Let's be honest here...Cork is a good back up. That's all. If we sold Morgan and gave Cork the position to fill you'd all kick off!! ..."no ambition etc etc!"

Koeman and the club know that we've got youngsters coming through that will be twice the player Cork would be. I'd rather see them get the chance to play.
I wouldn't kick off if we sell Spider, bring in two or three quality players for the price (thus hopefully giving us a better chance of successfully strengthening our defence following Lovren's departure) and sign Cork on a long term deal. We've often been moaning about the depth of our squad but I think there are signs this could be improving if we buy that Belgian centre back or the Celtic lad. As our defensive midfield options are far from weak, re-investing any cash into the striking and defensive options, where we are considerably weaker would make sense.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: Let's be honest here...Cork is a good back up. That's all. If we sold Morgan and gave Cork the position to fill you'd all kick off!! ..."no ambition etc etc!" Koeman and the club know that we've got youngsters coming through that will be twice the player Cork would be. I'd rather see them get the chance to play.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't kick off if we sell Spider, bring in two or three quality players for the price (thus hopefully giving us a better chance of successfully strengthening our defence following Lovren's departure) and sign Cork on a long term deal. We've often been moaning about the depth of our squad but I think there are signs this could be improving if we buy that Belgian centre back or the Celtic lad. As our defensive midfield options are far from weak, re-investing any cash into the striking and defensive options, where we are considerably weaker would make sense. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

12:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest.

If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.
Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest. If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately. Benali76
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond

on-today.co.uk/Sport

.cfm?id=6316
Jack Cork: "I'm not happy with the upheaval at Southampton Football Club or sure of our ambitions for European football, so I choose to go to....

Crystal Palace"

Now don't get me wrong. but Jack doesn't come across as stupid. If I were him I wouldn't be rushing to join a club with no manager and clearly no transfer budget.

If he does join them the only possible reason would be lack of first team opportunities, not money, and if I were him, based on last night's performance, I'd be hanging around to force my way into Ron's plans and making a decision before the January window.
[quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Jack Cork: "I'm not happy with the upheaval at Southampton Football Club or sure of our ambitions for European football, so I choose to go to.... Crystal Palace" Now don't get me wrong. but Jack doesn't come across as stupid. If I were him I wouldn't be rushing to join a club with no manager and clearly no transfer budget. If he does join them the only possible reason would be lack of first team opportunities, not money, and if I were him, based on last night's performance, I'd be hanging around to force my way into Ron's plans and making a decision before the January window. SaintJD
  • Score: 4

12:24pm Wed 27 Aug 14

sparky130a says...

Benali76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest.

If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.
Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.
What bad vibes...?
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest. If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.[/p][/quote]What bad vibes...? sparky130a
  • Score: -1

12:29pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Poole Tom says...

The club not wanting Cork to go is not the same as the club wanting to keep him, because if it was they would surely have offered him a new contract by now that he was happy to sign. Personally I would like to see him stay. Having said that if we fill our team with midfield players like Cork who very rarely score goals then we can`t be surprised when we struggle to win games.That just maybe part of the issue given that Wanyama, Spider, JWP, Davis and Cork probably won`t muster more than 5 or 6 goals between them this season in the Premier League, based on past experience.
The club not wanting Cork to go is not the same as the club wanting to keep him, because if it was they would surely have offered him a new contract by now that he was happy to sign. Personally I would like to see him stay. Having said that if we fill our team with midfield players like Cork who very rarely score goals then we can`t be surprised when we struggle to win games.That just maybe part of the issue given that Wanyama, Spider, JWP, Davis and Cork probably won`t muster more than 5 or 6 goals between them this season in the Premier League, based on past experience. Poole Tom
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Optimist says...

As far as I know/remember Cork has been offered a new contract several times in the last season or so, its just that he REALLY wants first team football & we cannot guarantee that.

Agree with the rest of you here, top player, but he is a utility player/impact player here rather than a first teamer. hope RoKo can give him a chance, should we do well this season will be down to "squad" players like himself being better than their counterparts in other teams. Reminds me of Tessem, fantastic allrounder.

Crystal Palace? Man Utd could do a lot worse!
As far as I know/remember Cork has been offered a new contract several times in the last season or so, its just that he REALLY wants first team football & we cannot guarantee that. Agree with the rest of you here, top player, but he is a utility player/impact player here rather than a first teamer. hope RoKo can give him a chance, should we do well this season will be down to "squad" players like himself being better than their counterparts in other teams. Reminds me of Tessem, fantastic allrounder. Crystal Palace? Man Utd could do a lot worse! Optimist
  • Score: 0

12:39pm Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will. george chivers
  • Score: -2

12:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.
If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater.

I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.
Bit rude, blinkers.

Blinkered not me,
lead by the majority not me
Sheep like not me
Rude not me

Just a set of possibilities put down for consideration in response to Benali post, no need to be rude.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.[/p][/quote]If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater. I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.[/p][/quote]Bit rude, blinkers. Blinkered not me, lead by the majority not me Sheep like not me Rude not me Just a set of possibilities put down for consideration in response to Benali post, no need to be rude. fascia123
  • Score: 1

12:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
I think you have to look at the history though to understand the timing probably has never been right for both parties for one reason or another.

I imagine Cork didn't want to sign when he was getting little first team football under Mo Po.

When he did start to get first team football it was at a time when there was a lot of unrest at the club and uncertainty for the future. Certainly I doubt Mo Po would have been urgently trying to tie him down because he knew he was off within weeks.

Since then it's been a case of Jack finding out if he likes the new manager and has a central role in his plans and Ron equally finding out if he wants to commit to a three year deal for Jack.

And there are also other circumstances that Jack and the club will want resolved before either commits to offering or accepting a deal - will Morgan still be at the club? If so will we buy a replacement or give Cork a chance?

One thing is for certain - if Ron wants the club to offer a contract to Jack Cork we will offer him a new deal.

I know we can't understand the reasoning, but I can only imagine the Cork situation is similar to Lukaku's at Chelsea. He's clearly a good player but Mourinho wanted him to be satisfied fighting for his place against top, world class players.

Lukaku didn't fancy it and preferred a guaranteed starting place, which is fine and understandable. But I think that's what Ron is asking Jack - has he got the guts to be happy fighting for a place. If Jack commits to doing that I think he'll get offered a deal.

Then he has to decide whether to take it.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?[/p][/quote]I think you have to look at the history though to understand the timing probably has never been right for both parties for one reason or another. I imagine Cork didn't want to sign when he was getting little first team football under Mo Po. When he did start to get first team football it was at a time when there was a lot of unrest at the club and uncertainty for the future. Certainly I doubt Mo Po would have been urgently trying to tie him down because he knew he was off within weeks. Since then it's been a case of Jack finding out if he likes the new manager and has a central role in his plans and Ron equally finding out if he wants to commit to a three year deal for Jack. And there are also other circumstances that Jack and the club will want resolved before either commits to offering or accepting a deal - will Morgan still be at the club? If so will we buy a replacement or give Cork a chance? One thing is for certain - if Ron wants the club to offer a contract to Jack Cork we will offer him a new deal. I know we can't understand the reasoning, but I can only imagine the Cork situation is similar to Lukaku's at Chelsea. He's clearly a good player but Mourinho wanted him to be satisfied fighting for his place against top, world class players. Lukaku didn't fancy it and preferred a guaranteed starting place, which is fine and understandable. But I think that's what Ron is asking Jack - has he got the guts to be happy fighting for a place. If Jack commits to doing that I think he'll get offered a deal. Then he has to decide whether to take it. SaintJD
  • Score: 3

12:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
I think you have to look at the history though to understand the timing probably has never been right for both parties for one reason or another.

I imagine Cork didn't want to sign when he was getting little first team football under Mo Po.

When he did start to get first team football it was at a time when there was a lot of unrest at the club and uncertainty for the future. Certainly I doubt Mo Po would have been urgently trying to tie him down because he knew he was off within weeks.

Since then it's been a case of Jack finding out if he likes the new manager and has a central role in his plans and Ron equally finding out if he wants to commit to a three year deal for Jack.

And there are also other circumstances that Jack and the club will want resolved before either commits to offering or accepting a deal - will Morgan still be at the club? If so will we buy a replacement or give Cork a chance?

One thing is for certain - if Ron wants the club to offer a contract to Jack Cork we will offer him a new deal.

I know we can't understand the reasoning, but I can only imagine the Cork situation is similar to Lukaku's at Chelsea. He's clearly a good player but Mourinho wanted him to be satisfied fighting for his place against top, world class players.

Lukaku didn't fancy it and preferred a guaranteed starting place, which is fine and understandable. But I think that's what Ron is asking Jack - has he got the guts to be happy fighting for a place. If Jack commits to doing that I think he'll get offered a deal.

Then he has to decide whether to take it.
Good post
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?[/p][/quote]I think you have to look at the history though to understand the timing probably has never been right for both parties for one reason or another. I imagine Cork didn't want to sign when he was getting little first team football under Mo Po. When he did start to get first team football it was at a time when there was a lot of unrest at the club and uncertainty for the future. Certainly I doubt Mo Po would have been urgently trying to tie him down because he knew he was off within weeks. Since then it's been a case of Jack finding out if he likes the new manager and has a central role in his plans and Ron equally finding out if he wants to commit to a three year deal for Jack. And there are also other circumstances that Jack and the club will want resolved before either commits to offering or accepting a deal - will Morgan still be at the club? If so will we buy a replacement or give Cork a chance? One thing is for certain - if Ron wants the club to offer a contract to Jack Cork we will offer him a new deal. I know we can't understand the reasoning, but I can only imagine the Cork situation is similar to Lukaku's at Chelsea. He's clearly a good player but Mourinho wanted him to be satisfied fighting for his place against top, world class players. Lukaku didn't fancy it and preferred a guaranteed starting place, which is fine and understandable. But I think that's what Ron is asking Jack - has he got the guts to be happy fighting for a place. If Jack commits to doing that I think he'll get offered a deal. Then he has to decide whether to take it.[/p][/quote]Good post fascia123
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

halibutjackson says...

i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January. halibutjackson
  • Score: 1

1:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

bbb001 says...

Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer.
Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.
Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer. Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four. bbb001
  • Score: 11

1:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
Someone said on here within the last week or so that his dad wants him to leave, does anyone know if this is true?
[quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]Someone said on here within the last week or so that his dad wants him to leave, does anyone know if this is true? fascia123
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Outside of the Box says...

Jack Cork reminds me so much one the most under rated midfielders ever to don the Red and White stripes, he never has an outstanding game, but he also never has a poor game, he's solid and dependable and goes about his business in quiet professional manner just like Nick Holmes did for Lawrie Mc all those years ago.
Jack Cork reminds me so much one the most under rated midfielders ever to don the Red and White stripes, he never has an outstanding game, but he also never has a poor game, he's solid and dependable and goes about his business in quiet professional manner just like Nick Holmes did for Lawrie Mc all those years ago. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Saint Clements says...

Sorry if I'm being naive, but why does us potentially signing (a very brilliant) defender affect Cork?

Surely it's insulting to Cork to say that his value is that he can play right back? Given the comments Jack made when he filled in their last season, I think that may be enough to push him over the edge, which would be a real shame because I echo many on this site when I say that he's a first class squad player who never lets us down when he plays - in wither ability or attitude.
Sorry if I'm being naive, but why does us potentially signing (a very brilliant) defender affect Cork? Surely it's insulting to Cork to say that his value is that he can play right back? Given the comments Jack made when he filled in their last season, I think that may be enough to push him over the edge, which would be a real shame because I echo many on this site when I say that he's a first class squad player who never lets us down when he plays - in wither ability or attitude. Saint Clements
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead!
Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -5

1:14pm Wed 27 Aug 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Broke a tooth eating spare ribs and a mate of mine from wolverhampton was quick to say 'you look like a pompey fan now!' Needless to say i got to a dentist real quick to rectify that.
Broke a tooth eating spare ribs and a mate of mine from wolverhampton was quick to say 'you look like a pompey fan now!' Needless to say i got to a dentist real quick to rectify that. miltonnroad76
  • Score: 2

1:16pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

How embarrassing is it to watch Van Gaal's squirming excuses about last nights defeat?!
They are Manchester Utd,and they got thumped by Milton Keynes Dons.. suck it up Louis!
Thank goodness we got the Flying Dutchman..in Ron we trust!
How embarrassing is it to watch Van Gaal's squirming excuses about last nights defeat?! They are Manchester Utd,and they got thumped by Milton Keynes Dons.. suck it up Louis! Thank goodness we got the Flying Dutchman..in Ron we trust! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha SaintPC
  • Score: 1

1:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

techsture says...

If MS doesn't go now he will be gone in Jan, why prolong the agony?

Shift him out, get Townsend, Give Feyenoord an offer for Clasie they can't refuse.

Job done.
If MS doesn't go now he will be gone in Jan, why prolong the agony? Shift him out, get Townsend, Give Feyenoord an offer for Clasie they can't refuse. Job done. techsture
  • Score: -5

1:25pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

bbb001 wrote:
Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer.
Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.
Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop.

Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries.
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer. Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.[/p][/quote]Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop. Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries. SaintJD
  • Score: 5

1:45pm Wed 27 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 0

1:46pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Alicesdad says...

It almost seems these signigs might happen. I've been pouring cold water on them but you never know .. and they do seem like good signings.

Ye gods what the hell is going on? Not just rumours but actual signings and spending big bucks .. and on top of that Ron keeps giving us answers to questions that are asked ... at some time I must have nodded off and slipped into an alternate universe..

and I still predict a riot .. that's just to give the thumbs down collective a chance to get some exercise ... even if its just their thuimbs ....
It almost seems these signigs might happen. I've been pouring cold water on them but you never know .. and they do seem like good signings. Ye gods what the hell is going on? Not just rumours but actual signings and spending big bucks .. and on top of that Ron keeps giving us answers to questions that are asked ... at some time I must have nodded off and slipped into an alternate universe.. and I still predict a riot .. that's just to give the thumbs down collective a chance to get some exercise ... even if its just their thuimbs .... Alicesdad
  • Score: 5

1:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'?

Thanks, Seed.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?[/p][/quote]Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'? Thanks, Seed. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 7

1:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Who promised 30 million? If I remember correctly, all that was ever said was that money would be available for buying players. I think the figure of 30 million was pure speculation by posters on here.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Who promised 30 million? If I remember correctly, all that was ever said was that money would be available for buying players. I think the figure of 30 million was pure speculation by posters on here. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

1:58pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead!
Totally agree it would be embarrassing and he would have to come out and say as much, but I think I'd prefer to judge him on a more complete picture once the results of the incomings and outgoings of the summer are better known.

Of course if we sold Morgan for £10M plus Townsend I'd think Levy would be laughing and I'd be very upset. But if we get £15-17M plus Townsend and immediately reinvest in two more quality players who want to be at Saints I'd be willing to reserve judgement and trust the decision.

Whatever happens, if Morgan does go I think we can assume it is totally Ron's decision. I honestly believe he would walk if the deal was done without him endorsing it or without him thinking it would benefit the team and I think he'd come out and take full responsibility for the decision as well.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead![/p][/quote]Totally agree it would be embarrassing and he would have to come out and say as much, but I think I'd prefer to judge him on a more complete picture once the results of the incomings and outgoings of the summer are better known. Of course if we sold Morgan for £10M plus Townsend I'd think Levy would be laughing and I'd be very upset. But if we get £15-17M plus Townsend and immediately reinvest in two more quality players who want to be at Saints I'd be willing to reserve judgement and trust the decision. Whatever happens, if Morgan does go I think we can assume it is totally Ron's decision. I honestly believe he would walk if the deal was done without him endorsing it or without him thinking it would benefit the team and I think he'd come out and take full responsibility for the decision as well. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:12pm Wed 27 Aug 14

HookSaint says...

hedge end bob wrote:
Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy.
Should have made Cork captain IMO.
[quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy.[/p][/quote]Should have made Cork captain IMO. HookSaint
  • Score: 0

2:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

HookSaint says...

Great result at Millwall, let's take this and move on. Great point on ugly inside from someone pointing out some facts v last season. We started with 3 goals in first 5 games, spunked a last minute set piece goal v Sunderland, and played out that shambles v West Ham.
A draw v WBA was a good point earned, the keeper is as good as Niemi was and he was worth a point a game. Just need a penalty taker who doesn't miss now, remember the time in between Le Tiss and Lambo. That home game v Watford where we missed two pens and got beaten as a result. Think Paul Wootton took one. Up the Saints.
Great result at Millwall, let's take this and move on. Great point on ugly inside from someone pointing out some facts v last season. We started with 3 goals in first 5 games, spunked a last minute set piece goal v Sunderland, and played out that shambles v West Ham. A draw v WBA was a good point earned, the keeper is as good as Niemi was and he was worth a point a game. Just need a penalty taker who doesn't miss now, remember the time in between Le Tiss and Lambo. That home game v Watford where we missed two pens and got beaten as a result. Think Paul Wootton took one. Up the Saints. HookSaint
  • Score: 1

2:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

HookSaint wrote:
hedge end bob wrote:
Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy.
Should have made Cork captain IMO.
Yep, I'd agree with that, although Fonte has risen to the task really well I think, but yes, and I think a lot of people would feel the same. There must be something more to it, but maybe he and the club are waiting to see if Morgan leaves? It's fair to say that would open up a big window of opportunity for Jack.
[quote][p][bold]HookSaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hedge end bob[/bold] wrote: Corky must be offered a new contract, the game always changes when he comes on. The joy on the boy's face when he scored was a picture.. Would rathert see redman than the spuds boy.[/p][/quote]Should have made Cork captain IMO.[/p][/quote]Yep, I'd agree with that, although Fonte has risen to the task really well I think, but yes, and I think a lot of people would feel the same. There must be something more to it, but maybe he and the club are waiting to see if Morgan leaves? It's fair to say that would open up a big window of opportunity for Jack. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

2:48pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.
If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater.

I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.
Is that directed at me? If you have to invent the opposing opinion to make your own counter argument you've already lost the debate. Check out strawman then get back to me.
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO Morgan is the better player but not by so much that I don't totally agree with the rest of your post.[/p][/quote]If Cork is THAT good why are Palace and Championship teams only interested in him.... take your blinkers off. Just because he's a saints player doesn't make him a world beater. I remember everyone saying how good Shaw, Lallana and Lovren were as saints players, now everyone thinks they're average and we've already replaced them like for like.[/p][/quote]Is that directed at me? If you have to invent the opposing opinion to make your own counter argument you've already lost the debate. Check out strawman then get back to me. Benali76
  • Score: -1

2:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'?

Thanks, Seed.
To be fair to Seed I do remember a statement in recent weeks, but it was reasserted today as far as I can see:

"He's a Southampton player," said Koeman. "There were a lot of rumours but Jack is doing very good and has ambition to stay with Southampton.

"If there is any possibility for him and when he is not happy he knows my office door is open and we can see what is best for everyone in this situation."

But when asked if there were any plans to discuss a new contract for Cork, Koeman added: "Not at this moment."
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?[/p][/quote]Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'? Thanks, Seed.[/p][/quote]To be fair to Seed I do remember a statement in recent weeks, but it was reasserted today as far as I can see: "He's a Southampton player," said Koeman. "There were a lot of rumours but Jack is doing very good and has ambition to stay with Southampton. "If there is any possibility for him and when he is not happy he knows my office door is open and we can see what is best for everyone in this situation." But when asked if there were any plans to discuss a new contract for Cork, Koeman added: "Not at this moment." SaintJD
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

sparky130a wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest.

If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.
Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.
What bad vibes...?
From some quarters (some fans and media) if we sold Morgan, especially when saying categorically that we wouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest. If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.[/p][/quote]What bad vibes...?[/p][/quote]From some quarters (some fans and media) if we sold Morgan, especially when saying categorically that we wouldn't. Benali76
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Benali76 says...

sparky130a wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.
Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.
Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest.

If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.
Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.
What bad vibes...?
From some quarters (some fans and media) if we sold Morgan, especially when saying categorically that we wouldn't.
[quote][p][bold]sparky130a[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: I can't see them letting go of Spyder at this time. No doubt it would add fuel to the fire with regards to Krueger's earlier statement of not letting him go.[/p][/quote]Yes I think this may be the stumbling block you may well be right.[/p][/quote]Yeah, it's a shame in a way, because if I'm honest I don't think losing Spider would have a gigantic impact on the team's performance - it's just the message it would send out and the fuel it would add to the press fire and fan unrest. If it weren't for that I'd say losing him and bringing in Classie, the Belgian lad and a quality winger, while signing Cork on a long term contract, would make a decent amount of sense.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with this. If it was to happen it would be a good PR move to buy first, but not necessarily in the same position. Or at least bring in some quality like Classie quickly to alleviate the bad vibes immediately.[/p][/quote]What bad vibes...?[/p][/quote]From some quarters (some fans and media) if we sold Morgan, especially when saying categorically that we wouldn't. Benali76
  • Score: 0

2:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintPC says...

DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
[quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math. SaintPC
  • Score: 6

3:04pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
InsideOutCat wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear?


Clearly not.
Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?
Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'?

Thanks, Seed.
No I can't I'm in town shopping. You and I both know there isn't a single article stating this. However there are many articles referring to it and quoting Ralph, Les, Ron etc.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Seeing as nobody on here actually has a clue what the facts are regarding Jack Cork's current situation how can anyone complain about the "appalling treatment" he's received? Remember all the hysteria around what Schneiderlin might or might not have said / thought / done and how embarrassing some people's outbursts on the subject now appear? Clearly not.[/p][/quote]Both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract. That is appalling on several different levels. If they get round to offering him one and he rejects it then we have a different game. Remember Fonte being pissedoff because his offer came via the mail? Top motivation, top management or just plain crap?[/p][/quote]Please can you find and share the article in which 'both the player and the club have made it totally clear he has not been offered a new contract'? Thanks, Seed.[/p][/quote]No I can't I'm in town shopping. You and I both know there isn't a single article stating this. However there are many articles referring to it and quoting Ralph, Les, Ron etc. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -12

3:06pm Wed 27 Aug 14

bbb001 says...

SaintJD wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer.
Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.
Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop.

Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries.
I agree about Wenger, I hope it acts as a warning to all our young upcomming players that the grass is not always greener elsewhere
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer. Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.[/p][/quote]Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop. Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries.[/p][/quote]I agree about Wenger, I hope it acts as a warning to all our young upcomming players that the grass is not always greener elsewhere bbb001
  • Score: 4

3:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.
[quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

3:29pm Wed 27 Aug 14

notaclue says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.
I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans.
Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.[/p][/quote]I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans. Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see. notaclue
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Quick straw poll:

If Spurs go out and pay £12M for Jordy Clasie tomorrow and give up their interest in Spider would this be good or bad news for Saints?
Quick straw poll: If Spurs go out and pay £12M for Jordy Clasie tomorrow and give up their interest in Spider would this be good or bad news for Saints? SaintJD
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

elvis says...

Will anybody want to go to Palace with that Pratt Warnock there ?
Will anybody want to go to Palace with that Pratt Warnock there ? elvis
  • Score: 6

3:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

notaclue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.
I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans.
Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.
Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open.

Whether a deal is on the table or not, it is entirely in Jack's interests to play a 'wait and see' game to maximise his bargaining power.

I think that was the case before the new regime took charge.

I'm not saying they can't do more to get him signed up, just trying to give it a bit of fair context that this is not necessarily ammunition for the 'Les and Ralph are clueless' brigade.
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.[/p][/quote]I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans. Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.[/p][/quote]Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open. Whether a deal is on the table or not, it is entirely in Jack's interests to play a 'wait and see' game to maximise his bargaining power. I think that was the case before the new regime took charge. I'm not saying they can't do more to get him signed up, just trying to give it a bit of fair context that this is not necessarily ammunition for the 'Les and Ralph are clueless' brigade. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

3:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
Quick straw poll:

If Spurs go out and pay £12M for Jordy Clasie tomorrow and give up their interest in Spider would this be good or bad news for Saints?
Arsenal would still be interested.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Quick straw poll: If Spurs go out and pay £12M for Jordy Clasie tomorrow and give up their interest in Spider would this be good or bad news for Saints?[/p][/quote]Arsenal would still be interested. george chivers
  • Score: 0

4:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
[quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season). george chivers
  • Score: 0

4:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond



on-today.co.uk/Sport



.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
[quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then? jls217
  • Score: 1

4:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

techsture wrote:
If MS doesn't go now he will be gone in Jan, why prolong the agony?

Shift him out, get Townsend, Give Feyenoord an offer for Clasie they can't refuse.

Job done.
I know, let's not! Let's keep him for every precious minute we can squeeze out of him, let's put our collective arm around him, make him feel loved up, make him welcome, build the team around a very special talent and throw in the Hamble every who suggests otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]techsture[/bold] wrote: If MS doesn't go now he will be gone in Jan, why prolong the agony? Shift him out, get Townsend, Give Feyenoord an offer for Clasie they can't refuse. Job done.[/p][/quote]I know, let's not! Let's keep him for every precious minute we can squeeze out of him, let's put our collective arm around him, make him feel loved up, make him welcome, build the team around a very special talent and throw in the Hamble every who suggests otherwise. jls217
  • Score: 4

4:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

drkensta says...

Just read an article saying that Arsenal were hot favourites to sign Toby Alderweireld having apparently made an offer for the player. I guess if it is between them and us he will probably choose Arsenal.
Just read an article saying that Arsenal were hot favourites to sign Toby Alderweireld having apparently made an offer for the player. I guess if it is between them and us he will probably choose Arsenal. drkensta
  • Score: -1

4:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

notaclue says...

SaintJD wrote:
notaclue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.
I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans.
Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.
Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open.

Whether a deal is on the table or not, it is entirely in Jack's interests to play a 'wait and see' game to maximise his bargaining power.

I think that was the case before the new regime took charge.

I'm not saying they can't do more to get him signed up, just trying to give it a bit of fair context that this is not necessarily ammunition for the 'Les and Ralph are clueless' brigade.
I think Jacks dad on twitter has indicated clearly enough that Jack has not been offered a new contract with Saints.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.[/p][/quote]I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans. Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.[/p][/quote]Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open. Whether a deal is on the table or not, it is entirely in Jack's interests to play a 'wait and see' game to maximise his bargaining power. I think that was the case before the new regime took charge. I'm not saying they can't do more to get him signed up, just trying to give it a bit of fair context that this is not necessarily ammunition for the 'Les and Ralph are clueless' brigade.[/p][/quote]I think Jacks dad on twitter has indicated clearly enough that Jack has not been offered a new contract with Saints. notaclue
  • Score: 1

4:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead!
No it would not especially if all the smoke and mirrors stuff took the attention away from what they are really doing. Which is............?
Seed - going to amputate your arschlok because it told your brain it was about to **** and followed through instead? Promised a **** and look what you were left with - untenable position for your pudenda.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Morgan cannot go. Ralph was unequivocal, absolutely clear and articulate in his statements with no 'maybe' 'hopefully' or 'intension' in sight. Cabinet ministers have fallen for smaller U turns than that would be. Ralph's Saints future is riding on this one, his position would be untenable if Morgan left for any reason other than being dead![/p][/quote]No it would not especially if all the smoke and mirrors stuff took the attention away from what they are really doing. Which is............? Seed - going to amputate your arschlok because it told your brain it was about to **** and followed through instead? Promised a **** and look what you were left with - untenable position for your pudenda. jls217
  • Score: 3

4:21pm Wed 27 Aug 14

drkensta says...

Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training.
Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training. drkensta
  • Score: -5

4:22pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

drkensta wrote:
Just read an article saying that Arsenal were hot favourites to sign Toby Alderweireld having apparently made an offer for the player. I guess if it is between them and us he will probably choose Arsenal.
Sounds like we'll get Callum on loan then.
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Just read an article saying that Arsenal were hot favourites to sign Toby Alderweireld having apparently made an offer for the player. I guess if it is between them and us he will probably choose Arsenal.[/p][/quote]Sounds like we'll get Callum on loan then. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

4:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

spratt says...

bbb001 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
bbb001 wrote:
Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer.
Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.
Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop.

Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries.
I agree about Wenger, I hope it acts as a warning to all our young upcomming players that the grass is not always greener elsewhere
Have you not forgotten the WAGES? What else is any player interested in now?
[quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbb001[/bold] wrote: Well done RK for keeeping us updated on the transfer rumours as the closing of the window draws nearer. Though I am still laughing at what is going on at Man Utd, Luke Shaw must be thinking what the hell he has got himself involved in. Last season he was a regular starter and an England player, when the squad is announced this week I think only Callum Chambers will be the only ex saintss traitor to be named. I know both Shaw and Lallana are injured at the moment but they have both risked their England careers for transfers to teams that are both going to finish outside the top four.[/p][/quote]Not knocking Chambers either, but I'm fully expecting Wenger to do the same with him as he did with Theo and The Ox - give him a flying start and then dump him out to become a bit-part player playing the odd game and coming on late in some games as a utility player when he needs to close up shop. Clearly he's going to revert to his usual centre back combination in the coming weeks and, unless he suddenly puts Callum ahead of Arteta or Flamini in central midfield, that's his first team options limited for the foreseeable future bar injuries.[/p][/quote]I agree about Wenger, I hope it acts as a warning to all our young upcomming players that the grass is not always greener elsewhere[/p][/quote]Have you not forgotten the WAGES? What else is any player interested in now? spratt
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Looks like Ramirez is off to Spain on a year long, loan wit a view to....... if true we really do need a right winger in asap.
Looks like Ramirez is off to Spain on a year long, loan wit a view to....... if true we really do need a right winger in asap. jls217
  • Score: 2

4:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

notaclue says...

Corky will be a Palace player by the end of this week, I'm sad about that.
Corky will be a Palace player by the end of this week, I'm sad about that. notaclue
  • Score: -3

4:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

notaclue says...

jls217 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond




on-today.co.uk/Sport




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Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?[/p][/quote]£3m to Christal Palace deal back on. notaclue
  • Score: -3

4:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

drkensta wrote:
Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training.
I've just read that Jack Cork is and is not off to Crystal Palace. Which one should I choose to believe?
[quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training.[/p][/quote]I've just read that Jack Cork is and is not off to Crystal Palace. Which one should I choose to believe? Rising_Son
  • Score: -1

4:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Rising_Son says...

SaintJD said: "Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open."

So, are you saying that someone with 2, 3 or 4 years left on his contract doesn't have a clear right to keep his options open? I don't understand the logic behind that.
SaintJD said: "Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open." So, are you saying that someone with 2, 3 or 4 years left on his contract doesn't have a clear right to keep his options open? I don't understand the logic behind that. Rising_Son
  • Score: 0

4:59pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
drkensta wrote:
Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training.
I've just read that Jack Cork is and is not off to Crystal Palace. Which one should I choose to believe?
And another one just come in saying he's definitely not going to Swansea or was that Swanage?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]drkensta[/bold] wrote: Also just read another article that Sevilla are in advanced talks with the Saints concerning the loan signing of Gaston Ramirez. Perhaps that is why he has been missing from training.[/p][/quote]I've just read that Jack Cork is and is not off to Crystal Palace. Which one should I choose to believe?[/p][/quote]And another one just come in saying he's definitely not going to Swansea or was that Swanage? jls217
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Blackwaterblue says...

Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.
Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints. Blackwaterblue
  • Score: -12

5:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond





on-today.co.uk/Sport





.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.
Is Corkie a London boy?

Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.!

Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?[/p][/quote]£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.[/p][/quote]Is Corkie a London boy? Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.! Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it? jls217
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

elvis wrote:
Will anybody want to go to Palace with that Pratt Warnock there ?
Maybe we'll get Punch back on loan given the way they feel about each other...
[quote][p][bold]elvis[/bold] wrote: Will anybody want to go to Palace with that Pratt Warnock there ?[/p][/quote]Maybe we'll get Punch back on loan given the way they feel about each other... Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

5:21pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

5:25pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SpanishSaint says...

Keep Corkie! No to Townsend! Yes to Redmond!
Keep Corkie! No to Townsend! Yes to Redmond! SpanishSaint
  • Score: 8

5:30pm Wed 27 Aug 14

notaclue says...

jls217 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond






on-today.co.uk/Sport






.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.
Is Corkie a London boy?

Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.!

Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?
Is he a London boy?

Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine.
[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?[/p][/quote]£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.[/p][/quote]Is Corkie a London boy? Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.! Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Is he a London boy? Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine. notaclue
  • Score: 1

5:31pm Wed 27 Aug 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
SaintJD said: "Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open."

So, are you saying that someone with 2, 3 or 4 years left on his contract doesn't have a clear right to keep his options open? I don't understand the logic behind that.
Everyone knows that when a player gets to the final year of his contract the club cannot have half as much say in where he goes Rising.

That means he can happily watch the contract run down and see who wants to take him on a free, thus not only letting him fully decide where he ends up (without having to worry about whether his preferred option meets our valuation) but giving the club who buys him the chance to avoid a fee and put the money they saved into his wage demands.

I think that's fairly simple logic and it's illustrated perfectly by Spider. He's on a long term deal. Would you say he's got his options open?

Certainly in the last few weeks I'd say he'd claim he hasn't been given that right. That's not to say he won't get his own way eventually, but if Jack wanted to go to Spurs (or Palace for that matter) he'd probably be able to go.

Player power dulls that logic, but even so, some players do still take advantage of their contracts running down.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: SaintJD said: "Of course if Jack does go, surely it's Nicola Cortese and previous managers who must really take the lion's share of the blame - before they left he was already down to one and a half years left on his current deal, which clearly gives him the right to keep his options open." So, are you saying that someone with 2, 3 or 4 years left on his contract doesn't have a clear right to keep his options open? I don't understand the logic behind that.[/p][/quote]Everyone knows that when a player gets to the final year of his contract the club cannot have half as much say in where he goes Rising. That means he can happily watch the contract run down and see who wants to take him on a free, thus not only letting him fully decide where he ends up (without having to worry about whether his preferred option meets our valuation) but giving the club who buys him the chance to avoid a fee and put the money they saved into his wage demands. I think that's fairly simple logic and it's illustrated perfectly by Spider. He's on a long term deal. Would you say he's got his options open? Certainly in the last few weeks I'd say he'd claim he hasn't been given that right. That's not to say he won't get his own way eventually, but if Jack wanted to go to Spurs (or Palace for that matter) he'd probably be able to go. Player power dulls that logic, but even so, some players do still take advantage of their contracts running down. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Wed 27 Aug 14

elvis says...

notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond







on-today.co.uk/Sport







.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.
Is Corkie a London boy?

Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.!

Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?
Is he a London boy?

Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine.
Jacs dad is Alan Cork ?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?[/p][/quote]£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.[/p][/quote]Is Corkie a London boy? Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.! Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Is he a London boy? Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine.[/p][/quote]Jacs dad is Alan Cork ? elvis
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Wed 27 Aug 14

elvis says...

notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
notaclue wrote:
jls217 wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond







on-today.co.uk/Sport







.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?
£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.
Is Corkie a London boy?

Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.!

Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?
Is he a London boy?

Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine.
Jacs dad is Alan Cork ?
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]Just read another article in the gossips that says Cork is happy to stay at Saints, Rambros are happy for him to stay at Saints, I'm happy he's staying at Saints every one is delirious he's staying at Saints. How much will he go for then?[/p][/quote]£3m to Christal Palace deal back on.[/p][/quote]Is Corkie a London boy? Can't see what the attraction at CP is. Neil Warnock for a boss for two years.! Should he stay or should he go now.............. That'd make a great song wouldn't it?[/p][/quote]Is he a London boy? Born in London, dad played for Wimbeldon, jack played for Chelsea from the age of nine.[/p][/quote]Jacs dad is Alan Cork ? elvis
  • Score: 3

5:52pm Wed 27 Aug 14

jls217 says...

SpanishSaint wrote:
Keep Corkie! No to Townsend! Yes to Redmond!
Well looks like you have part of your wish Spanish - Pinchatinny has made a statement that neither Soldado or Townsend will be transferred as he needs a squad of 25 players.

Been quiet on the Redmond front for a little while - no gossip re him.

Every 5 mins the gossip columns are changing their mind on whether Cork is going, staying, emigrating or having a sex change op.
[quote][p][bold]SpanishSaint[/bold] wrote: Keep Corkie! No to Townsend! Yes to Redmond![/p][/quote]Well looks like you have part of your wish Spanish - Pinchatinny has made a statement that neither Soldado or Townsend will be transferred as he needs a squad of 25 players. Been quiet on the Redmond front for a little while - no gossip re him. Every 5 mins the gossip columns are changing their mind on whether Cork is going, staying, emigrating or having a sex change op. jls217
  • Score: 3

6:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

InsideOutCat wrote:
NC Fan4Life wrote:
Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season.
Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.
You think we should have signed Eto'o, and I see elsewhere you're calling for a return to the Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game. Eto'o would need oxygen after about 20 minutes of that sort of approach.
" Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game"

Yeah quite correct, we where awful last season weren't we! So dull to watch, everyone said so, even opposition managers commented about our negative football. Good job we managed to offload him to "The Spuds" (ha, ha, they wont like it if they ever see that cheeky little insult ;) ).
[quote][p][bold]InsideOutCat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NC Fan4Life[/bold] wrote: Now we are talking, Alderweireld & Townsend would be good buys, but think we should add Clasie & Cerci (as we missed out on free agent E'to'o who went to Everton), then we will have a better team than last season. Also need to offer Cork a new contract, no sense letting his run out.[/p][/quote]You think we should have signed Eto'o, and I see elsewhere you're calling for a return to the Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game. Eto'o would need oxygen after about 20 minutes of that sort of approach.[/p][/quote]" Pochettino-inspired headless chicken pressing game" Yeah quite correct, we where awful last season weren't we! So dull to watch, everyone said so, even opposition managers commented about our negative football. Good job we managed to offload him to "The Spuds" (ha, ha, they wont like it if they ever see that cheeky little insult ;) ). Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

notaclue wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
halibutjackson wrote:
i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.
You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.
I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans.
Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.
So we must assume that RonKo is being economical with the truth when he says "He's a Southampton player," said Koeman. "There were a lot of rumours but Jack is doing very good and has ambition to stay with Southampton. "If there is any possibility for him and when he is not happy he knows my office door is open and we can see what is best for everyone in this situation." But when asked if there were any plans to discuss a new contract for Cork, Koeman added: "Not at this moment."
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: i wouldn't be suprised if the issue with Corks contract relates more to the agent than the player. In December i would expect to see Cork change agents and then get a new contract in January.[/p][/quote]You are also forgetting the influence Jacks Dad has in the matter.[/p][/quote]I read that Saints have no forseeable intention of offering Corky a new contract and that Gaston is likely to go out on a years loan to Savilla, I guess we have somone else lined up and that they are both not in Koemans plans. Maybe its for the best, we'll just have to wait and see.[/p][/quote]So we must assume that RonKo is being economical with the truth when he says "He's a Southampton player," said Koeman. "There were a lot of rumours but Jack is doing very good and has ambition to stay with Southampton. "If there is any possibility for him and when he is not happy he knows my office door is open and we can see what is best for everyone in this situation." But when asked if there were any plans to discuss a new contract for Cork, Koeman added: "Not at this moment." OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

6:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Jesus_02 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
I don't think that there where wage increases at all.

Shlong is supposed to be on 42k, Pelle will probably be on less. Lambert was on £60.

What is true is that we will end up having a bigger squad. Its a big part of the "Southampton Way" that we have seemed to drop. Last season we had a core of talented game changers and gaps for the developing kids to fill. This season I think we have a few journey men.

I'm not saying one thing is "better" than the other, I'd just rather watch Gallagher fight it out for a first team slot with a Star CF rather than have Pelle and Long.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]I don't think that there where wage increases at all. Shlong is supposed to be on 42k, Pelle will probably be on less. Lambert was on £60. What is true is that we will end up having a bigger squad. Its a big part of the "Southampton Way" that we have seemed to drop. Last season we had a core of talented game changers and gaps for the developing kids to fill. This season I think we have a few journey men. I'm not saying one thing is "better" than the other, I'd just rather watch Gallagher fight it out for a first team slot with a Star CF rather than have Pelle and Long. Jesus_02
  • Score: 2

6:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

rossofficial10 says...

You heard it first. GASTON RAMIREZ Going out on loan view to a perm to SEVILLA

http://www.insidefut
bol.com/2014/08/27/s
evilla-in-advanced-t
alks-with-southampto
n-over-gaston-ramire
z-loan/157052/
You heard it first. GASTON RAMIREZ Going out on loan view to a perm to SEVILLA http://www.insidefut bol.com/2014/08/27/s evilla-in-advanced-t alks-with-southampto n-over-gaston-ramire z-loan/157052/ rossofficial10
  • Score: 1

6:59pm Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season.
As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season. warrens 76
  • Score: -2

7:09pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season.
Les sanglots longs Des violons De l’automne
Blessent mon cœur D’une langueur Monotone.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season.[/p][/quote]Les sanglots longs Des violons De l’automne Blessent mon cœur D’une langueur Monotone. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

7:11pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

rossofficial10 wrote:
You heard it first. GASTON RAMIREZ Going out on loan view to a perm to SEVILLA

http://www.insidefut

bol.com/2014/08/27/s

evilla-in-advanced-t

alks-with-southampto

n-over-gaston-ramire

z-loan/157052/
Well to be honest I heard it ages ago, not sure it is true though.
[quote][p][bold]rossofficial10[/bold] wrote: You heard it first. GASTON RAMIREZ Going out on loan view to a perm to SEVILLA http://www.insidefut bol.com/2014/08/27/s evilla-in-advanced-t alks-with-southampto n-over-gaston-ramire z-loan/157052/[/p][/quote]Well to be honest I heard it ages ago, not sure it is true though. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Do we want Ball 32 tonight, we are Number 24.
Do we want Ball 32 tonight, we are Number 24. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

7:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September.

The draw numbers are as follows:

1. AFC Bournemouth
2. Arsenal
3. Bolton Wanderers
4. Brighton & Hove Albion
5. Cardiff City
6. Chelsea
7. Crystal Palace
8. Derby County
9. Doncaster Rovers
10. Everton
11. Fulham
12. Hull City
13. Liverpool
14. Manchester City
15. Middlesbrough
16. Milton Keynes Dons
17. Newcastle United
18. Norwich City
19. Nottingham Forest
20. Reading
21. Sheffield United
22. Sheffield Wednesday
23. Shrewsbury Town
24. Southampton
25. Swansea City
26. Tottenham Hotspur
27. West Bromwich Albion
28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient
29. Birmingham City / Sunderland
30. Bradford City / Leeds United
31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers
32. Stoke City / Portsmouth
All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September. The draw numbers are as follows: 1. AFC Bournemouth 2. Arsenal 3. Bolton Wanderers 4. Brighton & Hove Albion 5. Cardiff City 6. Chelsea 7. Crystal Palace 8. Derby County 9. Doncaster Rovers 10. Everton 11. Fulham 12. Hull City 13. Liverpool 14. Manchester City 15. Middlesbrough 16. Milton Keynes Dons 17. Newcastle United 18. Norwich City 19. Nottingham Forest 20. Reading 21. Sheffield United 22. Sheffield Wednesday 23. Shrewsbury Town 24. Southampton 25. Swansea City 26. Tottenham Hotspur 27. West Bromwich Albion 28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient 29. Birmingham City / Sunderland 30. Bradford City / Leeds United 31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers 32. Stoke City / Portsmouth OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

7:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

george chivers says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was. george chivers
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8:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Rooflas says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September.

The draw numbers are as follows:

1. AFC Bournemouth
2. Arsenal
3. Bolton Wanderers
4. Brighton & Hove Albion
5. Cardiff City
6. Chelsea
7. Crystal Palace
8. Derby County
9. Doncaster Rovers
10. Everton
11. Fulham
12. Hull City
13. Liverpool
14. Manchester City
15. Middlesbrough
16. Milton Keynes Dons
17. Newcastle United
18. Norwich City
19. Nottingham Forest
20. Reading
21. Sheffield United
22. Sheffield Wednesday
23. Shrewsbury Town
24. Southampton
25. Swansea City
26. Tottenham Hotspur
27. West Bromwich Albion
28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient
29. Birmingham City / Sunderland
30. Bradford City / Leeds United
31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers
32. Stoke City / Portsmouth
Very informative
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September. The draw numbers are as follows: 1. AFC Bournemouth 2. Arsenal 3. Bolton Wanderers 4. Brighton & Hove Albion 5. Cardiff City 6. Chelsea 7. Crystal Palace 8. Derby County 9. Doncaster Rovers 10. Everton 11. Fulham 12. Hull City 13. Liverpool 14. Manchester City 15. Middlesbrough 16. Milton Keynes Dons 17. Newcastle United 18. Norwich City 19. Nottingham Forest 20. Reading 21. Sheffield United 22. Sheffield Wednesday 23. Shrewsbury Town 24. Southampton 25. Swansea City 26. Tottenham Hotspur 27. West Bromwich Albion 28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient 29. Birmingham City / Sunderland 30. Bradford City / Leeds United 31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers 32. Stoke City / Portsmouth[/p][/quote]Very informative Rooflas
  • Score: -2

8:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

M.U.CS1 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September.

The draw numbers are as follows:

1. AFC Bournemouth
2. Arsenal
3. Bolton Wanderers
4. Brighton & Hove Albion
5. Cardiff City
6. Chelsea
7. Crystal Palace
8. Derby County
9. Doncaster Rovers
10. Everton
11. Fulham
12. Hull City
13. Liverpool
14. Manchester City
15. Middlesbrough
16. Milton Keynes Dons
17. Newcastle United
18. Norwich City
19. Nottingham Forest
20. Reading
21. Sheffield United
22. Sheffield Wednesday
23. Shrewsbury Town
24. Southampton
25. Swansea City
26. Tottenham Hotspur
27. West Bromwich Albion
28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient
29. Birmingham City / Sunderland
30. Bradford City / Leeds United
31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers
32. Stoke City / Portsmouth
Sad life mate typing and working that lot out, but yes ball 32 looks good I 4-1 would like to see that !
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September. The draw numbers are as follows: 1. AFC Bournemouth 2. Arsenal 3. Bolton Wanderers 4. Brighton & Hove Albion 5. Cardiff City 6. Chelsea 7. Crystal Palace 8. Derby County 9. Doncaster Rovers 10. Everton 11. Fulham 12. Hull City 13. Liverpool 14. Manchester City 15. Middlesbrough 16. Milton Keynes Dons 17. Newcastle United 18. Norwich City 19. Nottingham Forest 20. Reading 21. Sheffield United 22. Sheffield Wednesday 23. Shrewsbury Town 24. Southampton 25. Swansea City 26. Tottenham Hotspur 27. West Bromwich Albion 28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient 29. Birmingham City / Sunderland 30. Bradford City / Leeds United 31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers 32. Stoke City / Portsmouth[/p][/quote]Sad life mate typing and working that lot out, but yes ball 32 looks good I 4-1 would like to see that ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -2

8:26pm Wed 27 Aug 14

lowe esteem says...

Clever Dick wrote:
What is all this nonsense about Cork. The club is acting in a very strange way here. If he wants to stay in Southampton as the story above suggests then his signing is as important as any new signing, Even if the club don't want him it still makes sense to give him a contract long enough to up his asking price. He's easily worth £10 million at today's prices. There are a few fans who consider him a squad player but he is much better than that. It's just that his position isn't an eyecatching, glamourous one. He works his butt off in midfield and has been a fan favourite for a good few years now. Very strange behaviour by the club and worth a bit of digging to find out the true story behind this. So come on DE do a bit of proper journalism and find out the true reason why his contract is just running down, costing the club many millions.
Yes, this 'bubbled' along all last season with Lambert, and we all know how that turned out. time for the board to show direction and support the Manager and players in the same manner that the fans do.
Saints Forever.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: What is all this nonsense about Cork. The club is acting in a very strange way here. If he wants to stay in Southampton as the story above suggests then his signing is as important as any new signing, Even if the club don't want him it still makes sense to give him a contract long enough to up his asking price. He's easily worth £10 million at today's prices. There are a few fans who consider him a squad player but he is much better than that. It's just that his position isn't an eyecatching, glamourous one. He works his butt off in midfield and has been a fan favourite for a good few years now. Very strange behaviour by the club and worth a bit of digging to find out the true story behind this. So come on DE do a bit of proper journalism and find out the true reason why his contract is just running down, costing the club many millions.[/p][/quote]Yes, this 'bubbled' along all last season with Lambert, and we all know how that turned out. time for the board to show direction and support the Manager and players in the same manner that the fans do. Saints Forever. lowe esteem
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8:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

dadofmy3sons says...

All those posters bemoaning the quality of the goalscoring prowess of our current strikers.
Santi Cazorla, aplayer with a record of 399 appearances and 67 goals .
Arsenal paid an awful lot of money for him and he is playing in his second season of Premier so he isn't settling in.
He missed an absolute sitter.
Besiktas goalie mis-kicked straight to him and he side footed from 30 yards, 10 yards wide of an open goal.
If any of Saints players did it they would have been booed from the field.
If a Sunday player with a hangover missed it , all his mates would have bagged him later.
Arsenal fans didn't appear to notice.
All those posters bemoaning the quality of the goalscoring prowess of our current strikers. Santi Cazorla, aplayer with a record of 399 appearances and 67 goals . Arsenal paid an awful lot of money for him and he is playing in his second season of Premier so he isn't settling in. He missed an absolute sitter. Besiktas goalie mis-kicked straight to him and he side footed from 30 yards, 10 yards wide of an open goal. If any of Saints players did it they would have been booed from the field. If a Sunday player with a hangover missed it , all his mates would have bagged him later. Arsenal fans didn't appear to notice. dadofmy3sons
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8:28pm Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
TGodSFC wrote:
jls217 wrote:
Saint-Mike wrote:
I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage??
http://www.southlond





on-today.co.uk/Sport





.cfm?id=6316
Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.
Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied!
It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla

iming
".
I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'.

Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night.

Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate!

As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it.

However, here are some facts.
1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board.
2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do.
3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap.

I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him.
Too true Strass Jack is a corker…someone we are all proud to have in our club.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TGodSFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint-Mike[/bold] wrote: I hope not but it seems that a Cork transfer to Palace could be at an advanced stage?? http://www.southlond on-today.co.uk/Sport .cfm?id=6316[/p][/quote]Just spotted this in the gossip columns - Maybe this is why Cork is not so keep to play ball with Saints management - Hope it's all Blx and we can convince him there's a future here with Saints - it's going to be a fraught few days until the curtain comes down.[/p][/quote]Told you, someone should tell them not to bother now he's cup tied![/p][/quote]It's over Sky Sports news now that Tin Tin is claiming he is going no where. big word there though....."cla iming ".[/p][/quote]I think what Ron actually said was along the lines of 'Jack's happy at Saints'. Most of us rate Jack and all of us must be delighted that he scored his first goal last night. Given our current squad, does he deserve a regular starting place? Should various managers have treated him better? Debate! As for his contract, I'm not aware that anyone on here really knows the story. All we really know is that he hasn't signed a new contract. Whether or not he has been offered one - or more than one - but has rejected it/them is unclear. Maybe there's one on the table and he's thinking about it. However, here are some facts. 1. The club are rightly saying little about the situation. That was the case under NC and remains the case with the new board. 2. Jack has kept quiet, which, in my books, is the correct and professional thing to do. 3. If he doesn't want to sign a new contract - and he will have watched this Summer's saga unfold - it would be financially beneficial to sell him asap. I was lucky enough to meet Jack just after he signed and Saints were in Switzerland. I asked if I could have his autograph twice - one for each son. He immediately asked me their names and personalised the autographs. What's NOT to like about Jack. Let's hope Ron can find a way to keep him.[/p][/quote]Too true Strass Jack is a corker…someone we are all proud to have in our club. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

8:35pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September.

The draw numbers are as follows:

1. AFC Bournemouth
2. Arsenal
3. Bolton Wanderers
4. Brighton & Hove Albion
5. Cardiff City
6. Chelsea
7. Crystal Palace
8. Derby County
9. Doncaster Rovers
10. Everton
11. Fulham
12. Hull City
13. Liverpool
14. Manchester City
15. Middlesbrough
16. Milton Keynes Dons
17. Newcastle United
18. Norwich City
19. Nottingham Forest
20. Reading
21. Sheffield United
22. Sheffield Wednesday
23. Shrewsbury Town
24. Southampton
25. Swansea City
26. Tottenham Hotspur
27. West Bromwich Albion
28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient
29. Birmingham City / Sunderland
30. Bradford City / Leeds United
31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers
32. Stoke City / Portsmouth
Sad life mate typing and working that lot out, but yes ball 32 looks good I 4-1 would like to see that !
Simple cut and paste! Skate 1 down at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: All third-round ties will be played in the week commencing Monday 22 September. The draw numbers are as follows: 1. AFC Bournemouth 2. Arsenal 3. Bolton Wanderers 4. Brighton & Hove Albion 5. Cardiff City 6. Chelsea 7. Crystal Palace 8. Derby County 9. Doncaster Rovers 10. Everton 11. Fulham 12. Hull City 13. Liverpool 14. Manchester City 15. Middlesbrough 16. Milton Keynes Dons 17. Newcastle United 18. Norwich City 19. Nottingham Forest 20. Reading 21. Sheffield United 22. Sheffield Wednesday 23. Shrewsbury Town 24. Southampton 25. Swansea City 26. Tottenham Hotspur 27. West Bromwich Albion 28. Aston Villa / Leyton Orient 29. Birmingham City / Sunderland 30. Bradford City / Leeds United 31. Burton Albion / Queens Park Rangers 32. Stoke City / Portsmouth[/p][/quote]Sad life mate typing and working that lot out, but yes ball 32 looks good I 4-1 would like to see that ![/p][/quote]Simple cut and paste! Skate 1 down at the moment. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

8:38pm Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
warrens 76 wrote:
As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season.
Les sanglots longs Des violons De l’automne
Blessent mon cœur D’une langueur Monotone.
Je dire que je voir…
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: As we write us no royal we I have this to say, to date i do not actually like our football 6 halfs only I worthy of last season.[/p][/quote]Les sanglots longs Des violons De l’automne Blessent mon cœur D’une langueur Monotone.[/p][/quote]Je dire que je voir… warrens 76
  • Score: -2

8:41pm Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.
So your chances would be…stupid skate.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.[/p][/quote]So your chances would be…stupid skate. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

warrens 76 says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.
well if he does we cannot sell him to you because that is beyond logic.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.[/p][/quote]well if he does we cannot sell him to you because that is beyond logic. warrens 76
  • Score: 1

8:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Skate 2 down Walters got both
Skate 2 down Walters got both OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

Blackwaterblue wrote:
Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.
No he wouldn' t want to sign for us would he. Apparently he really wanted to step down to the bargain basement and sign for Pooperscoopers until he found out that they only offer one month contracts. He's not too bright a lad as he seems to be the only person in the UK that doesn't realise that they are football's laughing stock.
[quote][p][bold]Blackwaterblue[/bold] wrote: Townsend would a great signing but there's no way he'll sign for Saints.[/p][/quote]No he wouldn' t want to sign for us would he. Apparently he really wanted to step down to the bargain basement and sign for Pooperscoopers until he found out that they only offer one month contracts. He's not too bright a lad as he seems to be the only person in the UK that doesn't realise that they are football's laughing stock. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

9:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Do we want Ball 32 tonight, we are Number 24.
No let's meet them in the final. After all theY are the bestest club!
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Do we want Ball 32 tonight, we are Number 24.[/p][/quote]No let's meet them in the final. After all theY are the bestest club! DisplacedFan
  • Score: 0

9:31pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sunderland 2 up. Twitchies team going for a Burton!
Sunderland 2 up. Twitchies team going for a Burton! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:33pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Orient beating Villa 1 - 0. Leeds - Bradford 1 - 1. Skate 0 - 3.
Orient beating Villa 1 - 0. Leeds - Bradford 1 - 1. Skate 0 - 3. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:34pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Bradford 2 - 1
Bradford 2 - 1 OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Burton 1 QPR 0, Twitchie not a happy bunny.
Burton 1 QPR 0, Twitchie not a happy bunny. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

9:43pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

skunts lost 3-0......it would have been more like 23-0 if it wasn't for their keeper and woeful finishing by Crouch and co.
Now let's get a home draw
skunts lost 3-0......it would have been more like 23-0 if it wasn't for their keeper and woeful finishing by Crouch and co. Now let's get a home draw J7junctionseven
  • Score: 2

9:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

No Vlaar included in the Villa squad tonight???
No Vlaar included in the Villa squad tonight??? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

9:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
No Vlaar included in the Villa squad tonight???
Vlaar has knee injury, nothing sinister.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: No Vlaar included in the Villa squad tonight???[/p][/quote]Vlaar has knee injury, nothing sinister. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

9:50pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Sunderland won 3 0 we don't want them away!
Sunderland won 3 0 we don't want them away! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

9:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Clever Dick says...

J7junctionseven wrote:
skunts lost 3-0......it would have been more like 23-0 if it wasn't for their keeper and woeful finishing by Crouch and co.
Now let's get a home draw
Well it was good for the bestest, bestest fans in the whole universe to be able to visit a proper premiership ground. It's the closest they are ever likely to get. And it also gave the Stoke fans a good laugh.
[quote][p][bold]J7junctionseven[/bold] wrote: skunts lost 3-0......it would have been more like 23-0 if it wasn't for their keeper and woeful finishing by Crouch and co. Now let's get a home draw[/p][/quote]Well it was good for the bestest, bestest fans in the whole universe to be able to visit a proper premiership ground. It's the closest they are ever likely to get. And it also gave the Stoke fans a good laugh. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

9:54pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Sunderland won 3 0 we don't want them away!
Have them at home though
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: Sunderland won 3 0 we don't want them away![/p][/quote]Have them at home though J7junctionseven
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: -1

10:00pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

A Arsenal
A Arsenal OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:01pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

BUM!
BUM! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:03pm Wed 27 Aug 14

J7junctionseven says...

Great draw......We'll beat them this time. No Boruc or Clattenburg this time though.
Great draw......We'll beat them this time. No Boruc or Clattenburg this time though. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 3

10:17pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Full third-round draw:
Chelsea v Bolton, Arsenal v Southampton, West Brom v Hull, Crystal Palace v Newcastle, Leyton Orient v Sheffield United, Cardiff v Bournemouth, Sunderland v Stoke, Derby v Reading, Liverpool v Middlesbrough, MK Dons v Bradford, Manchester City v Sheffield Wednesday, Burton Albion v Brighton, Swansea v Everton, Shrewsbury v Norwich, Fulham v Doncaster, Tottenham v Nottingham Forest
Full third-round draw: Chelsea v Bolton, Arsenal v Southampton, West Brom v Hull, Crystal Palace v Newcastle, Leyton Orient v Sheffield United, Cardiff v Bournemouth, Sunderland v Stoke, Derby v Reading, Liverpool v Middlesbrough, MK Dons v Bradford, Manchester City v Sheffield Wednesday, Burton Albion v Brighton, Swansea v Everton, Shrewsbury v Norwich, Fulham v Doncaster, Tottenham v Nottingham Forest OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys. fascia123
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10:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Saintsayer II says...

Arsenal away Will AV put the kids out a usual
Arsenal away Will AV put the kids out a usual Saintsayer II
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10:20pm Wed 27 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
A Arsenal
And there I was hoping we would draw manure or poopey! Wait what....
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: A Arsenal[/p][/quote]And there I was hoping we would draw manure or poopey! Wait what.... de Heiligen paard 101
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10:23pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:27pm Wed 27 Aug 14

saintbobby says...

Probably not our first choice, but Arsenal have other priorities and doubtful that they will play their strongest X1. So a good chance, perhaps, since RK has nailed his colour to the Cup mast. COYR&WS.
Probably not our first choice, but Arsenal have other priorities and doubtful that they will play their strongest X1. So a good chance, perhaps, since RK has nailed his colour to the Cup mast. COYR&WS. saintbobby
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10:33pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music.

Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)[/p][/quote]Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music. Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game. fascia123
  • Score: 1

10:36pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music.

Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.
I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)[/p][/quote]Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music. Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.[/p][/quote]I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though! OSPREYSAINT
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10:37pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that! Positively4thStreet
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10:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
A Arsenal
And there I was hoping we would draw manure or poopey! Wait what....
It could be our turn, we have to meet a big team sometime, just as well if we could knock one out next.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: A Arsenal[/p][/quote]And there I was hoping we would draw manure or poopey! Wait what....[/p][/quote]It could be our turn, we have to meet a big team sometime, just as well if we could knock one out next. OSPREYSAINT
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10:42pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

Osprey,
You lucky so and so..another one I missed!
About time they got some headliners back to the Mayflower again,those were the days,Gerry and the Pacemakers,Roxy Music etc.
Osprey, You lucky so and so..another one I missed! About time they got some headliners back to the Mayflower again,those were the days,Gerry and the Pacemakers,Roxy Music etc. Positively4thStreet
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10:44pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk? fascia123
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10:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music.

Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.
I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though!
Beatles that would of been fantastic even with the screams.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)[/p][/quote]Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music. Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.[/p][/quote]I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though![/p][/quote]Beatles that would of been fantastic even with the screams. fascia123
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour". Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour. fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:02pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety! Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

11:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour. fascia123
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Wed 27 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.[/p][/quote]I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol KiwiSaint74
  • Score: 0

11:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol
I think it must of been his strict exercise and juicing regime that has kept him at the top for all these years.

Had his book life for Christmas must read it soon.
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.[/p][/quote]I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol[/p][/quote]I think it must of been his strict exercise and juicing regime that has kept him at the top for all these years. Had his book life for Christmas must read it soon. fascia123
  • Score: 0

11:51pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol
Doubt if he remembers it! Lol. :0)
[quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.[/p][/quote]I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol[/p][/quote]Doubt if he remembers it! Lol. :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

11:58pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

fascia123 wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol
I think it must of been his strict exercise and juicing regime that has kept him at the top for all these years.

Had his book life for Christmas must read it soon.
Just finished Jo Woods,thats an eye opener on Ronnie,and she hardly mentions Jagger,don't think there was any love lost there.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.[/p][/quote]I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol[/p][/quote]I think it must of been his strict exercise and juicing regime that has kept him at the top for all these years. Had his book life for Christmas must read it soon.[/p][/quote]Just finished Jo Woods,thats an eye opener on Ronnie,and she hardly mentions Jagger,don't think there was any love lost there. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

12:00am Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
KiwiSaint74 wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".
That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.
Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though.
I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop.
Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety!
We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.
I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol
Doubt if he remembers it! Lol. :0)
Thanks gents been a bit like a trip down Woodstock Lane, good times, bit like the future for saints we hope.

Perhaps we can get them to put a summer of rock classic concerts on at St Mary's.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KiwiSaint74[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]I will let you know as soon as I hear,I think he's in Aus at the moment,then North America in Oct..the " Never ending tour".[/p][/quote]That reminds me of the five last ever tours my wife and I have been to see namely the Eagles last ever tour.[/p][/quote]Yer man never stops touring now,that's why hivoice is shot,doesn't put the diehards like me off though. I reckon its the only place he's happy now,Ronnie Wood is the same,they probably all are,but unlike footballers,they can keep going till they drop. Ol' Bob will probably end up doing a " Tommy Cooper" when he's about ninety![/p][/quote]We try and do as much live music as we can and Bob is one of the few greats we haven't got to see so will certainly look out for his tour.[/p][/quote]I remember vividly when The Stones were in NZ doing a concert a few years ago. Afterwards they were relaxing in Fiji and Richards fell out of a coconut tree. The guys a legend! Rock on Keith lol[/p][/quote]Doubt if he remembers it! Lol. :0)[/p][/quote]Thanks gents been a bit like a trip down Woodstock Lane, good times, bit like the future for saints we hope. Perhaps we can get them to put a summer of rock classic concerts on at St Mary's. fascia123
  • Score: 1

12:21am Thu 28 Aug 14

KiwiSaint74 says...

May be unpatriotic of me as a New Zealander, but i'm looking forward to Saints giving the hammers a run for their money this weekend, and then some. Serves Winston Reid right for joining the wrong club.
May be unpatriotic of me as a New Zealander, but i'm looking forward to Saints giving the hammers a run for their money this weekend, and then some. Serves Winston Reid right for joining the wrong club. KiwiSaint74
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2:53am Thu 28 Aug 14

Salalal says...

Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go.
Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go. Salalal
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2:54am Thu 28 Aug 14

DisplacedFan says...

Looks like Ramirez is off on loan so reports the Daily Mail.
Looks like Ramirez is off on loan so reports the Daily Mail. DisplacedFan
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7:15am Thu 28 Aug 14

michaelwhite says...

fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO I think you use IMHO too much.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO I think you use IMHO too much. michaelwhite
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8:05am Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

michaelwhite wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.
The latter has more positives for me.

IMHO I prefer Cork as a player
IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable
IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS
IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better

And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad.

CB who can play RB as well
Classie
Quick winger
Another strike option, buy back SRL

That would be a squad improvement from last year
IMHO I think you use IMHO too much.
IMHO you may be right
[quote][p][bold]michaelwhite[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: Of two possible outcomes: let Jack go for nothing and force Morgan to stay; or get £20m + for Morgan and sign up Corkie long term - I would be happier with the latter. Given faith and a permanent starting position Cork would be an England starter.[/p][/quote]The latter has more positives for me. IMHO I prefer Cork as a player IMHO if Spyder has asked to go are we just waiting for the inevitable IMHO if we force the issue are we ever going to get the best from MS IMHO if Cork is made to feel more key and play on a regular basis is he only going to get better And of course if we could sell MS for 20/25 million being we have an abundance of midfield options, would this not allow for even greater strengthening of the squad. CB who can play RB as well Classie Quick winger Another strike option, buy back SRL That would be a squad improvement from last year[/p][/quote]IMHO I think you use IMHO too much.[/p][/quote]IMHO you may be right fascia123
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8:45am Thu 28 Aug 14

george chivers says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
DisplacedFan wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintPC wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music.

Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.
I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though!
Poz you have obviously had a decent life so far. I didn't know that other stuff I should have asked you before I went. Thanks. I had tickets to see him at Blackbush in 1978, I think, but my ex-wife was 8 months pregnant so I sold the tickets and bought Subbuteo cricket as a consolation prize. Those plastic cricketers never sang in tune. Bit like BD.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)[/p][/quote]Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music. Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.[/p][/quote]I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though![/p][/quote]Poz you have obviously had a decent life so far. I didn't know that other stuff I should have asked you before I went. Thanks. I had tickets to see him at Blackbush in 1978, I think, but my ex-wife was 8 months pregnant so I sold the tickets and bought Subbuteo cricket as a consolation prize. Those plastic cricketers never sang in tune. Bit like BD. george chivers
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9:24am Thu 28 Aug 14

de Heiligen paard 101 says...

Salalal wrote:
Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go.
Total carp, les reed joined the club in April 2010, Jack cork joined in July 2011!
Les reed was and has been doing the same job since he joined.
I take it then from your statement that liarlanna was sold because he wasn't a reed signing whilst chambers and Luke were sold because they also weren't reed signings whilst Dejerk was sold because he was? Oh no wait thats the complete opposite of what you said!
[quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go.[/p][/quote]Total carp, les reed joined the club in April 2010, Jack cork joined in July 2011! Les reed was and has been doing the same job since he joined. I take it then from your statement that liarlanna was sold because he wasn't a reed signing whilst chambers and Luke were sold because they also weren't reed signings whilst Dejerk was sold because he was? Oh no wait thats the complete opposite of what you said! de Heiligen paard 101
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9:45am Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

de Heiligen paard 101 wrote:
Salalal wrote:
Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go.
Total carp, les reed joined the club in April 2010, Jack cork joined in July 2011!
Les reed was and has been doing the same job since he joined.
I take it then from your statement that liarlanna was sold because he wasn't a reed signing whilst chambers and Luke were sold because they also weren't reed signings whilst Dejerk was sold because he was? Oh no wait thats the complete opposite of what you said!
Who needs facts, when making it up makes you happier, eh.
[quote][p][bold]de Heiligen paard 101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Salalal[/bold] wrote: Cork is being sold because he wasn't one of Les Reed's signings. Rickie Lambert was sold for the same reason. Jos Hooiveld, on the other hand, was a Les Reed signing, so he will be kept here. Les Reed wants a team built entirely of his players. So Cork has to go.[/p][/quote]Total carp, les reed joined the club in April 2010, Jack cork joined in July 2011! Les reed was and has been doing the same job since he joined. I take it then from your statement that liarlanna was sold because he wasn't a reed signing whilst chambers and Luke were sold because they also weren't reed signings whilst Dejerk was sold because he was? Oh no wait thats the complete opposite of what you said![/p][/quote]Who needs facts, when making it up makes you happier, eh. fascia123
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10:40am Thu 28 Aug 14

Beer Monster says...

fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
Stones headlined the Isle of Wight in 2007 - had a great time that year, despite coming off my bike near Ryde. Want to get back over there next year since my 2011 wristband is being ripped apart by our kittens.
[quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]Stones headlined the Isle of Wight in 2007 - had a great time that year, despite coming off my bike near Ryde. Want to get back over there next year since my 2011 wristband is being ripped apart by our kittens. Beer Monster
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11:11am Thu 28 Aug 14

fascia123 says...

Beer Monster wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
Fascia,
Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now.
I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that!
Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome.

Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere.

I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?
Stones headlined the Isle of Wight in 2007 - had a great time that year, despite coming off my bike near Ryde. Want to get back over there next year since my 2011 wristband is being ripped apart by our kittens.
I have seen just about every big act going, well ones I like or my good lady likes, sometimes, but have never been to a festival, it is planned for the future before becoming to old.

Coming off my bike, I did that don't ask the year but had a week in hospital when I had tickets to see my favourite band, thin Lizzy, what a bar steward.
[quote][p][bold]Beer Monster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: Fascia, Never seen Stones live yet,running out of time for that now. I want to end up looking like Keith Richards though.. He must've put some fun into that![/p][/quote]Have seen stones twice at old we mobley just before it closed and at Cardiff they were awesome. Keith Richards came on looking as well as ever and announced hey Cardiff it's great to be here but hey it's great to be anywhere. I just noticed Dylan is touring states in the Autumn do you know if he plans to come to uk?[/p][/quote]Stones headlined the Isle of Wight in 2007 - had a great time that year, despite coming off my bike near Ryde. Want to get back over there next year since my 2011 wristband is being ripped apart by our kittens.[/p][/quote]I have seen just about every big act going, well ones I like or my good lady likes, sometimes, but have never been to a festival, it is planned for the future before becoming to old. Coming off my bike, I did that don't ask the year but had a week in hospital when I had tickets to see my favourite band, thin Lizzy, what a bar steward. fascia123
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11:44am Thu 28 Aug 14

Positively4thStreet says...

george chivers wrote:
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Positively4thStreet wrote:
fascia123 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
george chivers wrote:
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What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.
Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M.

Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially.

As always there are more questions than answers.

Very encouraging result last night! COYR!
Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world.

If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker.

It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance.

The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games.

If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play.

We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.
You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to.

Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened.

I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance.

I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together

Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.
I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to.

You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say.

Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha
The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.
Here is the math.....

The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt......

We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with.

We have spent
Forster 10m
Pelle 8m
Tadic 12m
Gardos 6m
Long 12m
Total 48m

Plus options on:
Bertrand 10m
Taider 7m

So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m.

But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork.

So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.
You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).
That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)
Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.
Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom.
I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him.
There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.
Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.
Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)
Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music.

Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.
I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though!
Poz you have obviously had a decent life so far. I didn't know that other stuff I should have asked you before I went. Thanks. I had tickets to see him at Blackbush in 1978, I think, but my ex-wife was 8 months pregnant so I sold the tickets and bought Subbuteo cricket as a consolation prize. Those plastic cricketers never sang in tune. Bit like BD.
Nice one George,everyone should have their own BD story!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fascia123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DisplacedFan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintPC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: What on earth has Cork done to deserve this appalling treatment? If he walked you couldn't blame him.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever it is it can't be that bad or we wouldn't pick him at all. Could he be a witness in the sacking of Dodd and Williams? Just guessing. Or do we want him out by September the first because we have enough midfielders and need the money to balance whatever the budget plan is. I am assuming we aren't going spend much more than about £60M. So there is a surplus after player trading ends of £30M to £40M. Two weeks ago ROKO/the club said we were not interested in signing anymore defenders, now we are, and quite rightly so in my opinion. That kind of stuff bothers me. Can we ever trust what they say? Or perhaps we are being forced into it because our new CB has a worse injury than the club thought initially. As always there are more questions than answers. Very encouraging result last night! COYR![/p][/quote]Very blinkered views here, I think you need to take a step back and think about some of the reasons why the club issue certain statements. Being 100% transparent is not good in any business, especially the football world. If RoKo comes out and says that we are definitely interested in signing a CB, its key for us before the window closes etc, then immediately anyone we speak to bumps the price up. That is happening to us anyway, so we dont need it exacerbated. He says we want a winger, which deflects attention away from the positions we are looking at - i.e. CB and Striker. It is also not a good confidence boost for current holders of those positions if we dont get someone in before the end of the window, they feel under too much pressure and not part of the long term set-up. Potentially damaging morale and performance. The same thing with Cork, he wants a guarantee of first team football and has said he will play on without a contract extension to see what the position it in January - i.e. is he playing enough games. If he is, then he will sign, if not he will go in the summer. All the club are saying is that if he doesnt want to sign under the current terms then they may be forced to sell him if we get a decent offer. He doesnt want to go, we dont want him to go, but the unknown is how much football he will play. We should all be a little more tolerant and patient with the club, they cannot broadcast all of the business and discussions openly, so look a little deeper at the messages they are giving out and think a little bit more about it.[/p][/quote]You make some very good points and I understand exactly what you are saying. And I do understand the need not to show your hand too much in business negotiations. However, why say you are not interested in buying anymore defenders when you can say nothing at all which has the same effect in terms of influencing potential price increases. Just keep quiet or say to the press/fans there will be some more signings and leave it like that. I can't see the point of making a misleading statement when there is no need to. Les Reed made a statement at the end of last season where he said there was no need for us to sell any players, which was interpreted by many people on here as meaning we wouldn't be selling any players. I wasn't one of those people. I thought and said on these threads we would lose up to 6 key players at the end of the season last January. So it was no surprise to me when it happened. I do think about the messages they give out and I'm not impressed by some of them. And I think many others aren't ether. When RK arrived he promised the fans greatly improved communication, that has hasn't been the case. The communication compared to Cortese's reign has increased and to a degree improved, but it has become ambiguous and that ambiguity was reflected in the attendance for the first home game against WBA. 3,000 down on last season's average league game attendance. I think the board are working well for KL and are delivering the goals she has set them in terms of the transfer market. They are also delivering, in my opinion, a surplus on transfer trading to make up for the deficit incurred by Cortese on transfers and Staplewood. That of course is not being shared with us. Understandably so. But neither is a goal in terms of points or league position for the current season. That for me is not acceptable. If they want fans to pay the price of entry for a game they should communicate the place or points targets they are trying to achieve this season not leave it open ended. There should be a common objective for the board, the players and the fans. We are in it together Can I trust the board of our football club to do their best by the fans? I don't know. At the moment I think they are doing their best by the owner to achieve their short term financial objectives. Time will deliver the truth. But I don't think the improved communication we were promised will.[/p][/quote]I am not sure it is wholly misleading to say we are after winger, we probably are, but keeping other targets under wraps. Look at the players we have signed recently, not all are broadcast to the fans - Ryan Bertrand for example wasnt picked up by any press. Admitedly others were of course, just depends on the teams we are dealing with, some speak out and some dont - we just prefer not to. You're right about us all being in it together - team, execs, fans - so a clearer statement from the board about league/cup aspirations for this year would be great, but again I suspect they don't want to put too much pressure on RoKo, as to set him up to fail in a season of transition wouldn't be fair. They want him to do well, but if they say aim for 8th, and it takes players longer to settle and we miss that - then the fans will say he hasn't achieved it. If we say avoid relegation then we will be accused of lacking ambition. So an ambiguous statement of "we want to build and hopefully match or improve on last year" is pretty much all they can say. Personally I like the way we conduct ourselves as a club, and I do think RoKo is more open that MoPo was under Cortese. The issue I see recently is that he was a little too open in his pursuit of Vlaar, so he has probably been told to keep it quiet a bit more in future. Damned if you do, damned if you dont! ha ha[/p][/quote]The surplus is much bigger than that. We took In 90 million, were promised 30 before this began and have spent 45. Do the math.[/p][/quote]Here is the math..... The 30m we were promised may have been from the Luke Shaw sale, which was planned back in January. We dont know this, but lets assume it wasnt...... We didn't get 90m. We got deals worth a reported 92m less any owed to other clubs - approx 8m, and less any performance bonuses - which was an estimated 10m. So effectively 74m to play with. We have spent Forster 10m Pelle 8m Tadic 12m Gardos 6m Long 12m Total 48m Plus options on: Bertrand 10m Taider 7m So the potential outlay is 65m, leaving us 9m to splash at the moment. Assuming we dont count the 17m options in this, that leaves us with 26m. But dont forget this also has to include wage increases too, which will be fairly significant given we have brought in 7 first team players and there are contracts on the table for Jay Rod plus potentially Jack Cork. So if we go and buy 2 more before the end of the window, for approx 15m total. Then surely the board have kept their word? The surplus isnt huge, it allows us a couple more players at most, probably 15m in total before its gone. That's the math.[/p][/quote]You are right. But we have also lost the wages of the outgoing players to Liverpool and Man U and Sharp, Barnard and Forte. So that will cancel out a good chunk of the wages of the incoming players. Plus the £80M from prize money and TV money and say £40M from ticket sales (Total for the season).[/p][/quote]That's sort of the philosophy I used when I worked out that I would be better off when my pensions were in payment,because I wouldn't be paying out for them anymore...makes sense! ;0)[/p][/quote]Hey Poz. As an aside from Saints. Last week I went to the IOW to try to find the field Dylan played in, in 1969. Found Woodside Bay from above but the field was on private property down an unadopted road. Have you ever been there? Apart from 1969 of course, if you were there. I was.[/p][/quote]Sadly didn't get to the 68,69 or 70 gigs George(kicked myself ever since),but made up for it since,flew to New York for one night once, to see him at the Roseland ballroom. I did check out the Woodside bay site once,and its just as you say.Also checked out the sea front at Seaview where he was pictured on the sea wall outside the old Hall and Hotel,and also managed to find Forlands farmhouse at Bembridge,where he was staying when the Beatles flew in to see him. There's also a rumour,that he once stayed a night at The Gateway hotel in Eastleigh,after a Bournemouth Bid gig,but never been able to confirm it.[/p][/quote]Never been lucky enough to see him, have a brother 66 now who is ten years older than me, I grew up with Dylan, Hendrix, CSNY would of loved to of seen some of those guys.[/p][/quote]Grab the chance while you still can..its an acquired taste though. ;0)[/p][/quote]Everyone tells me that same thing every time i say I am going to see leonard Cohen but I love that era of music. Was only listening to Blonde on blonde in the car the other day on the way to the saints game.[/p][/quote]I saw the Beatles live at the Gaumont on 20th May 1963, didn't hear much of them for screaming kids though![/p][/quote]Poz you have obviously had a decent life so far. I didn't know that other stuff I should have asked you before I went. Thanks. I had tickets to see him at Blackbush in 1978, I think, but my ex-wife was 8 months pregnant so I sold the tickets and bought Subbuteo cricket as a consolation prize. Those plastic cricketers never sang in tune. Bit like BD.[/p][/quote]Nice one George,everyone should have their own BD story! Positively4thStreet
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10:03am Fri 29 Aug 14

TruthTellerTomIV says...

Navas and Lovren back please
Navas and Lovren back please TruthTellerTomIV
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9:58pm Fri 29 Aug 14

windygale says...

So Taider is of back to Italy according to Italian news
So Taider is of back to Italy according to Italian news windygale
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1:33pm Sat 30 Aug 14

parky-1 says...

And what is this I read in a daily paper today? Tadic may be on his way ou of the club?
any comments of this to enlighten me would be gratefully received.
And what is this I read in a daily paper today? Tadic may be on his way ou of the club? any comments of this to enlighten me would be gratefully received. parky-1
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