Plummeting crowds could cost Saints £2m (From Daily Echo)

Rudd Gillett says...
6:49am Wed 15 Oct 08

Who can blame us? RL and MW messing up off field "The Young Ones" messing up on field! Lowe attendances!

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UTS says...
7:26am Wed 15 Oct 08

Great news and lets hope loyal fans continue to stay away from St Marys and putting money in Lowes pocket.

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Bigrich1980 says...
7:41am Wed 15 Oct 08

You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away

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UTS says...
8:05am Wed 15 Oct 08

Bigrich1980 wrote:
You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away

Thats what Lowe has done to Southampton Football Club im afraid.

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Kate, Andover says...
8:12am Wed 15 Oct 08

Bigrich1980 wrote:
You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away

I agree, the only people they're benefitting are themselves. The club are suffering and if more people went to the games, they'd have to open up the corners etc.

When will people return to St Mary's? When the club have gone bankrupt and the ground has been demolished for the administrators to pay the club's debts and there's council houses in it's place??

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St.Yorkie says...
9:00am Wed 15 Oct 08

Attendances down...well I never!!!!

I cannot believe we are the most fickle fans in football, or is it we want value for money?

I really cannot see what all the fuss is about...
RL sits on high
MW sits in Jersey
JP sits on the bench
FANS sit at home/in pub but not SMS.

Of course these are not real fans they're all JCLs or Plastics.

The club is in free fall - but the prices are still SKY high.

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UTS says...
9:18am Wed 15 Oct 08

Kate, Andover wrote:

Bigrich1980 wrote: You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away
I agree, the only people they're benefitting are themselves. The club are suffering and if more people went to the games, they'd have to open up the corners etc. When will people return to St Mary's? When the club have gone bankrupt and the ground has been demolished for the administrators to pay the club's debts and there's council houses in it's place??

Dont be daft when was the last time a club disappeared ? I can think of Scarborough and Maidstone United !!

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Kate, Andover says...
9:27am Wed 15 Oct 08

UTS wrote:

Kate, Andover wrote:
Bigrich1980 wrote: You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away
I agree, the only people they're benefitting are themselves. The club are suffering and if more people went to the games, they'd have to open up the corners etc. When will people return to St Mary's? When the club have gone bankrupt and the ground has been demolished for the administrators to pay the club's debts and there's council houses in it's place??
Dont be daft when was the last time a club disappeared ? I can think of Scarborough and Maidstone United !!

:) The point I was trying to make is that us fans need to help with the current situation and if we can help to keep funds up by going to games and buying the food/programmes etc, then it may just be enough to stave off having to sell players in January to stay financially dependant.

I'm not saying the fans generate that much money but is it any coincidence that we're financially stuggling and crowd attendances are way down??

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spudnik says...
10:07am Wed 15 Oct 08

Times are tough for a lot of people right now and paying £26.00 for watching what was last year our reserves is a lot to pay. To be honest by the time I put travelling expenses, food & beer in I would get little change from £50.00. And still come home miserable. At the moment my £50.00 needs to be spent having a good time that makes me forget about all the misery that is about at the moment.

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Jesus_02 says...
10:28am Wed 15 Oct 08

Some rubbish is written on this forum.

“The ground will be demolished to pay the administrators”, it’s laughable. The ground will be demolished “to make way for council houses”, I guess that is because there’s a housing boom at the moment!

All “Southampton Football Club LTD” own is a handful of loaned players, some youth players and a less than half full stadium.

The stadium itself is owned by “St Mary Stadium LTD”. The training facilities, property and farm etc are all owned by “Southampton Leisure Holdings”. Is there any wonder no one wants to part with 20m+ for “Southampton Football Club LTD”

Administrators? They would have nothing to administrate! The sale of Surman/Lallana? Won’t that happening in January anyway?

Lowe has us exactly where he wants us, confused and scared of losing what we old dear. He can do pretty much anything that he wants and simply use the term “financial realities”

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londonsaint says...
11:23am Wed 15 Oct 08

I bet Lowe is actually a really nice bloke if you get to know him. COYR!

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sainthog7 says...
11:36am Wed 15 Oct 08

after supporting the saints for more than fifty years from the third division(south) to the heights of the premier league to cup finale glory to i have seen legends&clowns wear the red&white shirts i have seen players give their all others stroll around the club has been run by gentelmen&fools also managed by them to i have been embarrassed by some results i have laught cried but never felt as down as i do now at the beginning of the season i was slated for saying i was worred about the comeing season well i still am one question mrlowe wheres all the money gone?

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SF76 says...
12:23pm Wed 15 Oct 08

The boycott of Lowe and Wildes trainset is going better than i had hoped.

I'll give the club til the end of the season before it goes bust.

This is all the doing of Mike Wilde for betraying everyone and bringing Lowe back.

In Leon crouch we had a decent, generous and honourable man at the helm.

Wilde must feel so proud.

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St.Yorkie says...
12:29pm Wed 15 Oct 08

The value of Jackson's Farm is all pie in the sky - isn't it? I thought it was a gift to the football club - how has it got into the hands of SLH?
Specualtion is rife but one thing is for sure the football club is worth diddly squat in todays market place, and but for a few thousand regular supporters the club holds very little interest in the current footballing world.
Virtually every fan visiting fan hated The Dell - it was a dump, and apart form that it was miles from anywhere.
Let's face it who would miss Southampton FC if it did go out of business? I doubt if SLH would worry - it's hardly a cash cow is it?
To answer a question posed earlier - the money has been wasted on endless manager settlements, over paid journeymen footballers, Sir Clive Woodward, two cancelled EGM, Lowe's Boot Boys (Protection) and a partridge in a pear tree!

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ourkid1984 says...
12:34pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Wasn't most of Arsenals starting 11 this year in their reserves last year? I think so! Oh and they're not skint and they're rather succesful. Just because players were playing in the reserves last season, doesn't mean that they are bad players.

I'm not worried about losing £2m over a season to low crowds anyway because already we seem to of been on Sky alot more than we were last season, which how it's going will pay for the loss in crowds.

I don't go to many home games because I find more value in going to away games, it works out about £50 a game but that's for normally a full day out, where else can you go for a good day out for sometimes less than £50?

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St.Yorkie says...
12:43pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Blimey I don't feel so guilty now! It used to cost me that in diesel, plus a ticket, a couple of beers and a meal - about £100.
I think I could be in Salisbury next week on Tuesday or Wednesday - is there a game on?
I need to know so I can avoid the masses of traffic heading to SMS...

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MR Southampton says...
12:49pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Please could they stay away fans return on matchday.

At least that way the season ticket holders will stop feeling like the sheep they really are.

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Dr Who says...
1:06pm Wed 15 Oct 08

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY.
As a season ticket holder,living in Basingstoke, I enjoy and look forward to my visits to St Marys. From the outside I recognise that the club is very much at the heart your community and - leaving politics aside - I warm to your friendly supporters, beautiful stadium, young, talented team and excellent training facilities. I enjoy being part of the scene and genuinely feel you have a club to be proud. However - intentionally or otherwise - if you reduce the flow of the life blood support to the club, it will struggle and eventually stop beating. If this happens, have no doubts, the condition will be terminal. No "anti bodies" will be able to affect the outcome. Dreams will be over and self professed "fans" will end up watching the level of football they were prepared to support. The Echo will have big headlines but the community will be left to mourn what used to be.
On the good news front I will be ok, I will really miss my trips to Southampton but will be able to geographically switch my allegance to Reading FC - - - - but the big question for those living in Southampton is - - - what will you do?

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Saint_John says...
1:24pm Wed 15 Oct 08

If the rumour (last summer) is correct that it was acceptable to Barclays that Anthony Salz ran the Financial side and Leon/Larwie etc ran the Football side, then I believe the gates would NOT be down at all, even with major cut backs, because the FANS would see that the BEST was being done for the FOOTBALL CLUB (and not the plc) in these hard times.
However, as I understand it this plan was rejected by the DoF who insisted he wanted to play with the Train Set again.

He failed in 2004 to put the "core business" at the top of the priorities and instead focused on Share Buybacks, Share Price, Radio stations, Catering etc.
I am surprised the gates are only down by 26%, wait until the January player sales and next years ST sales, then the Echo will be struggling to get a picture for a "Spot the Fan" competition.

LOWE OUT !
p.s. Before any one of the lowe-lifes have a go at me for boycotting SMS, At the last count I have seen over 750 Saints games, I was even at Goodison Park in 1974, I went with HOPE IN MY HEART that day, hope that we would win and the Brum would lose.
I have NO HOPE with lowe in charge.

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tricky19791 says...
1:56pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Bigrich1980 wrote:
You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away

Please let me tell you something about the state the club is in, and the decline of atendance at every home game at st marys. You are right on one thing, the club is on the road to bankruptcy. As I said a couple of weeks ago that the antendance at Southampton is like The London Stock Exchange, both of witch are in free fall, at that time. People are staying away from st marys because of Rupert Lowe and Mickael Wild. They are both leeches sucking the life-blood of the club and the only way the 'True Fans' can do to voice there opinion is to stay away from the club and don't let both of those two have the satisfaction of having any of our money in there pockets. It is sad for us to do this but I personally think that some people are short sighted. It at the end of the day all Rupert Lowes doing why Southampton fc is in this mess. He was the one who could of put money into the club to push forward after the FA cup final and strengthen our place in Europe but he did not. Both Mickael and Ruperts stake in the club is the main reason to the problem that there is no one out there ready to buy the club and give the club a fresh start and move on, and away from the failures what has hung arround the club for sometime. I am going to sound like a broken record but the only way of Southampton fc is ever going to get stablility is if the pair of them go now before the club is giong to end up worthless and broke. OR IS THAT THEY PLAN ANYWAY. Just think about it for a moment. Do we want that to happen to the club in anyway, the answer in my eye's is NO. I love the Saints and have done all my life so seing this happen to the club hurts me so much and many others are going though the same pain so please be a 'true fan' and see it from our side. We are all not idiots, we are just Fans fed up with the poeple who are running the club (they think they are but you deside).

[quote][p][bold]Bigrich1980[/bold] wrote: You guys really are idiots - you dont hit lowe and wilde by staying away, you are just going to bankrupt the club you claim to be true fans for - What a bunch idiots you must be if you think you can save southampton by staying away[/p][/quote]Please let me tell you something about the state the club is in, and the decline of atendance at every home game at st marys. You are right on one thing, the club is on the road to bankruptcy. As I said a couple of weeks ago that the antendance at Southampton is like The London Stock Exchange, both of witch are in free fall, at that time. People are staying away from st marys because of Rupert Lowe and Mickael Wild. They are both leeches sucking the life-blood of the club and the only way the 'True Fans' can do to voice there opinion is to stay away from the club and don't let both of those two have the satisfaction of having any of our money in there pockets. It is sad for us to do this but I personally think that some people are short sighted. It at the end of the day all Rupert Lowes doing why Southampton fc is in this mess. He was the one who could of put money into the club to push forward after the FA cup final and strengthen our place in Europe but he did not. Both Mickael and Ruperts stake in the club is the main reason to the problem that there is no one out there ready to buy the club and give the club a fresh start and move on, and away from the failures what has hung arround the club for sometime. I am going to sound like a broken record but the only way of Southampton fc is ever going to get stablility is if the pair of them go now before the club is giong to end up worthless and broke. OR IS THAT THEY PLAN ANYWAY. Just think about it for a moment. Do we want that to happen to the club in anyway, the answer in my eye's is NO. I love the Saints and have done all my life so seing this happen to the club hurts me so much and many others are going though the same pain so please be a 'true fan' and see it from our side. We are all not idiots, we are just Fans fed up with the poeple who are running the club (they think they are but you deside). tricky19791

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londonsaint says...
1:56pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Saint_John, if your boycott works and forces Lowe out, but we end up relegated to League 1 after selling players to compensate for the loss of gate receipts, would that be preferable to being in the Championship but with Lowe still in charge? Also would you start going to st marys again if we were in League 1 but Lowe was gone?

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londonsaint says...
2:02pm Wed 15 Oct 08

tricky19791, if it is Lowe and Wildes plan for Saints to end up 'worthless and broke' as you suggest then why are you and others helping them achieve that by boycotting? I know it's difficult but can't you put the past behind you and consider what's best for the future of the club, with or without Lowe and Wilde around.

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TC1 says...
2:09pm Wed 15 Oct 08

SF76 wrote:
The boycott of Lowe and Wildes trainset is going better than i had hoped. I'll give the club til the end of the season before it goes bust. This is all the doing of Mike Wilde for betraying everyone and bringing Lowe back. In Leon crouch we had a decent, generous and honourable man at the helm. Wilde must feel so proud.

So you're actually pleased the club is in the sh1t? but at the same time u are still calling yourself a fan?? sorry i think i've missed something here.....don't u go to a football game to watch, err, football, not the directors box? we could all look at this in a positive way i suppose. at least we're getting rid of the "fake" supporters so to speak, which will then leave space for new, loyal
football fans who come to watch football. i couldn't care less who runs the club! just as long as i get to see the team i've supported my whole life play football, win or lose! isn't that whats it's all about? who cares about the business side of it? really can't understand why people are letting it get in the way of loving the team and the sport. unless you're on the board there's nothing u can do about it, end of! raelly can't see what the problem is....it's pathetic!

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Dr Who says...
2:48pm Wed 15 Oct 08

In the event of Southampton Football Club being unable to trade due to lack of funds, I posed the question to those who profess to be fans

" - - - what will you do?"

I note with interest that no - one has come up with an answer. Its sad that some people seem so locked into the past that they appear totally incapable of considering what might happen in the future

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Dr Who says...
3:04pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Earlier I posed the question - If Southampton FC ceased to trade - - - what will you do?

I note with interest that no-one has supplied an answer. It is sad that some self professed "fans" seem so locked into the past that they seem incapable of understanding what fate could lie ahead for their beloved club.

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suttonsaint says...
3:18pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Being a supporter going back to Div 3 days, all real Saints fans have wanted is a team having good success, plaing good football and having our day with the 'big' clubs.
I am astounded that so called supporters are wishing that Saints continue to decline and seem glad that we are in a dire position. i cannot see how people calling themselves Saints fans are full of venom and hate. Yes, Lowe is in charge, get used to it. The team IS full of youngsters and they have played some fantastic football at times. How many of us were 'perfect' in the early stages of our careers? Give them a chance.
As for staying away just because of Mr Lowe, that can only send us to a situation where we lose our league status due to bankruptcy. Do we really want that? Anyone who says they do are NOT Saints fans, just bitter that someone had the 'balls' to take over a rapidly declining club. Where were the 'sugar-daddies'? No chance under the present financial climate.
The thought of no Saints hurts in the pit of my stomach. If it does to you.... see you saturday.

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Saints No 1 Fan says...
3:34pm Wed 15 Oct 08

I really dont understand what all the chirping is about. If you are a supporter of Southampton FC you should get your arse down St Marys and support the boys. Who cares who is running the club, I totally agree with TC1, you should go to St Marys to watch football not watch the directors box.

So everyone get down to St Marys and we should have a crowd of at least 21,000 for Watford. If you stay away you are doing the club more harm than good.

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forcaster says...
3:42pm Wed 15 Oct 08

I am a Watford fan.You have 3 easy points on Saturday.You are skint?so are we, happy days are here.Cheer up Kate things can only get worse.You could have been taken over by an icelandic millionaire????

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Saints No 1 Fan says...
3:44pm Wed 15 Oct 08

I think you are right forcaster an easy three points for the saints on sat. We are all soooooo positive in this neck of the woods! (not!)

Can I just ask how many away fans do you usually bring. I would imagine its more than the measly 10 that Barnsley bought down a few saturdays ago!

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Costa Baz says...
4:00pm Wed 15 Oct 08

As I have said before, I won't believe the state of SFC's finances until the relevant end of year accounts are revealed or until SFC goes into administration.

Having said that, I find it somewhat ironic that those who are not going to SMS, in an attempt to undermine the Lowe/Wilde alliance are actually making their decisions, re cost cutting more and more sensible as each day passes.

Lowe & Wilde now have the moral high ground and can rightly claim that they are trying to do something to safeguard the future of SFC, while a number of fans are doing their utmost to push it to the brink of bankruptcy.

Most people who have seen my posts before will know I have little time for Lowe, but love him or hate him, I would still see it as my duty as a fan to attend as many home games as I could afford, if I were in a position to do so.

You guys and gals who are staying away are making him look more and more prudent by the day.

You are giving him the perfect opportunity to defend his actions, just by pointing to the drop in match attendances.

I would suggest you get over your contempt for him, back the team by putting b*ms on seats between now and the end of January, and then CHALLENGE his longterm intentions for the team.

DON'T LET HIM USE POOR ATTENDANCES AS A REASON TO SELL OFF THE BETTER PLAYERS, IN JANUARY, BY STAYING AT HOME!!!!!

Fill the ground for the remainder of this year and upto the end of January, and if you then feel let down by the board's actions during the transfer window, then re-think your strategy.

At the moment you are coming across as the "bad guys" not Lowe & Wilde.

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jhp767903 says...
4:03pm Wed 15 Oct 08

I share the thoughts of many of my fellow posters and the hurt being felt by our current plight. I am a 100% football person and love my team, Southampton Football Club. I am realistic enough to know that football is now a business, accept this and continue to support my team without having a particular view on SFC or plc board members. I also appreciate that many people choose not to attend SMS on match days due to a) the credit crunch and it's personal implications, or b) a dislike for messr Lowe and Wilde. Although I have always kept my emotions regarding SFC in neutral, I am provoked by the report credited to Mihael Wilde in today's Echo relating to the recent cost cutting measures. We all know that there is a credit crunch Mr Wilde, we live with it on a daily basis. What yourself or Mr Lowe have not yet clarified is:-
1) Why the revenue from 2003 was not reinvested in qaulity playing personnel.
2) Why was Gordon Strachan allowed to leave SFC.
3) Why there were a number of very basic manager appointment errors.
4) Why messrs Crouch et al were allowed to "spend the family jewellery" on journeymen mercenaries. (Although you were not Fopotball Chairman then, you were the majority shareholder).
5) Why was George Burley allowed to run the team like a rudderless ship, for too long.
Come up with the answers and you will have the solution to falling crowds. The decay has taken five years to hit home, and last season was the last straw for many people. I have chosen to draw a line and support "my team" in the current situation, and empathise with the decisions that have/will need to be made to address current circumstances. But please do not try to cover up the mis management of the last five years by the current fiscal climate, I for one feel very offended by that!
I share "suttonsaint's" pain at the thought of Saints continued decline, and will be there on Saturday - "Come on you Saints".
(p.s. Sorry for being long winded - it is only because I care!).

I share the thoughts of many of my fellow posters and the hurt being felt by our current plight. I am a 100% football person and love my team, Southampton Football Club. I am realistic enough to know that football is now a business, accept this and continue to support my team without having a particular view on SFC or plc board members. I also appreciate that many people choose not to attend SMS on match days due to a) the credit crunch and it's personal implications, or b) a dislike for messr Lowe and Wilde. Although I have always kept my emotions regarding SFC in neutral, I am provoked by the report credited to Mihael Wilde in today's Echo relating to the recent cost cutting measures. We all know that there is a credit crunch Mr Wilde, we live with it on a daily basis. What yourself or Mr Lowe have not yet clarified is:- 1) Why the revenue from 2003 was not reinvested in qaulity playing personnel. 2) Why was Gordon Strachan allowed to leave SFC. 3) Why there were a number of very basic manager appointment errors. 4) Why messrs Crouch et al were allowed to "spend the family jewellery" on journeymen mercenaries. (Although you were not Fopotball Chairman then, you were the majority shareholder). 5) Why was George Burley allowed to run the team like a rudderless ship, for too long. Come up with the answers and you will have the solution to falling crowds. The decay has taken five years to hit home, and last season was the last straw for many people. I have chosen to draw a line and support "my team" in the current situation, and empathise with the decisions that have/will need to be made to address current circumstances. But please do not try to cover up the mis management of the last five years by the current fiscal climate, I for one feel very offended by that! I share "suttonsaint's" pain at the thought of Saints continued decline, and will be there on Saturday - "Come on you Saints". (p.s. Sorry for being long winded - it is only because I care!). jhp767903

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tricky19791 says...
4:13pm Wed 15 Oct 08

londonsaint wrote:
tricky19791, if it is Lowe and Wildes plan for Saints to end up 'worthless and broke' as you suggest then why are you and others helping them achieve that by boycotting? I know it's difficult but can't you put the past behind you and consider what's best for the future of the club, with or without Lowe and Wilde around.

Yes, we can put the past behind us. But the past has a habit of haunting us, Look at Rupert and Wilde. I honestly thought we had seen the back of them two but look right now. They're running both the club and the PLC. I have to apologies to you if I was harsh in my words saing that the two chairman have a plan of killing the club but that is what I think is happening. If I was them two when they first left the club, I would stay away and let someone els take the raines. But as you know that hasn't happend. Now has it? They are still her hanging around like a pair of ghosts haunting us and giving us 'true fans' nightmares. Also they can't use the credit crunch as an excuse for the lack of fans going to watch Southampton play at st marys. Southampton had in its hay day an average attendance of around 30,000 a game and that was at the DELL for good sake. So the fans are there but they choice not to go because of the current regime managing at the club. I no that I can't go back on past tences all the time and that we have all got to move on, but this problem has not just appeared suddenly, It has been growing for a number of year. I hpoe you can understand Why I feel Like this.

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SF76 says...
5:36pm Wed 15 Oct 08

TC1 wrote:

SF76 wrote: The boycott of Lowe and Wildes trainset is going better than i had hoped. I'll give the club til the end of the season before it goes bust. This is all the doing of Mike Wilde for betraying everyone and bringing Lowe back. In Leon crouch we had a decent, generous and honourable man at the helm. Wilde must feel so proud.
So you're actually pleased the club is in the sh1t? but at the same time u are still calling yourself a fan?? sorry i think i've missed something here.....don't u go to a football game to watch, err, football, not the directors box? we could all look at this in a positive way i suppose. at least we're getting rid of the "fake" supporters so to speak, which will then leave space for new, loyal football fans who come to watch football. i couldn't care less who runs the club! just as long as i get to see the team i've supported my whole life play football, win or lose! isn't that whats it's all about? who cares about the business side of it? really can't understand why people are letting it get in the way of loving the team and the sport. unless you're on the board there's nothing u can do about it, end of! raelly can't see what the problem is....it's pathetic!

Yeah i am pleased the club is going bust.

In fact i could think of no outcome more pleasing than for Lowe and Wildes investments to go down the pan.

It's not easy just doing away game you know, but i guess you wouldn't understand high principles and sacrifice.

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the third hardest man in sholing says...
6:42pm Wed 15 Oct 08

err ,pardon me for stating the obvious,but surely the main reason why our supporters have decided to stay away in such numbers is because if you look at our home results going back to the season we got relegated up to now ,we`ve generally lost a hell of a lot of home matches and even when we`ve won its been pretty scrappy.

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forcaster says...
7:48pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Saints no1 Fan.There should be about 2000 plus Watford fans there,like you they never give up.Come on you Hornets.

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TottonScrutineer says...
8:06pm Wed 15 Oct 08

it amazes me how 16000 additional fans roaring Saints on at the last game of the deason when we could have been relegated evaporate when the season starts.This is when we need the support so much. So come on you missing fans ,we know you love the club, so join the rest of us regulars and support YOUR TEAM!!!!!

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TottonScrutineer says...
8:06pm Wed 15 Oct 08

it amazes me how 16000 additional fans roaring Saints on at the last game of the deason when we could have been relegated evaporate when the season starts.This is when we need the support so much. So come on you missing fans ,we know you love the club, so join the rest of us regulars and support YOUR TEAM!!!!!

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TottonScrutineer says...
8:07pm Wed 15 Oct 08

it amazes me how 16000 additional fans roaring Saints on at the last game of the deason when we could have been relegated evaporate when the season starts.This is when we need the support so much. So come on you missing fans ,we know you love the club, so join the rest of us regulars and support YOUR TEAM!!!!!

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UTS says...
9:31pm Wed 15 Oct 08

londonsaint wrote:
Saint_John, if your boycott works and forces Lowe out, but we end up relegated to League 1 after selling players to compensate for the loss of gate receipts, would that be preferable to being in the Championship but with Lowe still in charge? Also would you start going to st marys again if we were in League 1 but Lowe was gone?

Lallana and Surman will go anyway irrespect of any need to sell them. They will want to play in the Premiership and all that brings. Just like Bale, Walcott and Kenwyne Jones.

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UTS says...
9:34pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Costa Baz wrote:
As I have said before, I won't believe the state of SFC's finances until the relevant end of year accounts are revealed or until SFC goes into administration. Having said that, I find it somewhat ironic that those who are not going to SMS, in an attempt to undermine the Lowe/Wilde alliance are actually making their decisions, re cost cutting more and more sensible as each day passes. Lowe & Wilde now have the moral high ground and can rightly claim that they are trying to do something to safeguard the future of SFC, while a number of fans are doing their utmost to push it to the brink of bankruptcy. Most people who have seen my posts before will know I have little time for Lowe, but love him or hate him, I would still see it as my duty as a fan to attend as many home games as I could afford, if I were in a position to do so. You guys and gals who are staying away are making him look more and more prudent by the day. You are giving him the perfect opportunity to defend his actions, just by pointing to the drop in match attendances. I would suggest you get over your contempt for him, back the team by putting b*ms on seats between now and the end of January, and then CHALLENGE his longterm intentions for the team. DON'T LET HIM USE POOR ATTENDANCES AS A REASON TO SELL OFF THE BETTER PLAYERS, IN JANUARY, BY STAYING AT HOME!!!!! Fill the ground for the remainder of this year and upto the end of January, and if you then feel let down by the board's actions during the transfer window, then re-think your strategy. At the moment you are coming across as the "bad guys" not Lowe & Wilde.

I replied to this post but looks like 'In Wildes Pocket' Daily Echo have deleted.

In short i slaughtered every single one of your points.

I will just add that your point in capitals is basically wrong on the basis that these players willw want to leave.

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UTS says...
9:36pm Wed 15 Oct 08

Bugger i forget to mention that this £2million is easily obtainable from Michael Wildes pocket. He claimed in 2007 that he was investing £2m. All lies and spin as per usual.

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Optimist says...
9:38pm Wed 15 Oct 08

A change in expectations brings the change in attendance. Money, sales, appointments, but mostly results determine how many people can justify paying for their ticket.
Lower expectations = lower attendances.
Better results = higher expectations = higher attendances

Lowe is responsible for quite a few stayaways. I am sure many of whom are better fans than me. That said attendances still dropped after he left. I think Jan`s recent 18 points comment is designed at raising our hopes and expectations subsequently. It does worry me.

Anyone remember what happened to Brighton?

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