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7:40am Wednesday 3rd December 2008
FORMER SAINTS chairman Leon Crouch has hit back at criticisms from the men who replaced him in power.
Crouch insists he had come up with a plan that was supported by Barclays Bank and that crowds would have stayed at over 20,000 this season had Nigel Pearson been kept on.
Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde returned to power at Crouch and his board’s expense back in May.
Both Lowe and Wilde said that last week’s news that Saints lost £4.9m in the financial year ending June 30, despite bringing in over £12m from selling players, showed why they had to make their controversial return.
In his chairman’s statement in the accounts, Lowe was scathing of the fact “the previous board” had run a player/ coach wage bill of 81 per cent of the club’s income.
Responsibility Crouch only took over as the football club board chairman last December, midway through the financial year, following the departures of executives Jim Hone, Ken Dulieu and Andy Oldknow.
That trio quit – with an estimated £500,000 pay off between them – when Crouch, Lowe and Wilde failed to back their plan for SISU to take over the club.
Crouch was never involved in any wage negotiations or contract setting prior to becoming football board chairman a year ago.
Crouch added: “It was interesting to read Michael Wilde’s comments (in last Tuesday’s Daily Echo, November 25) setting up Rupert Lowe and himself as the club’s saviours when, in fact, they must share a major proportion of the responsibility for the club’s unfortunate demise.
“It must be agreed that 07/08 was a very difficult season and we were fortunate to remain in the Championship.
“It is important to look at the whole situation and not just be deflected by isolated statements.
There is no doubt that Rupert Lowe’s reign at the club resulted in our relegation after 27 years in the top flight.
“Despite receiving tens of millions from player transfers, television, sponsorship revenues and packed houses at St Mary’s, all we were left with when Rupert departed was the second year parachute payment.
“I do not believe that Harry Redknapp was given a fair chance with only £90,000 spent on Ricardo Fuller (in the summer of 2005 following relegation).
“Michael Wilde appeared on the radar and bought 16 per cent of SFC and formed an alliance with Wiseman, Hunt, Gordon, Thompson, Corbett, McMenemy and Trant.
“As stated in his manifesto, “Planning for Success”, we were convinced by his assurance that he had investors sitting on the fence.
“As soon as he took over, after the second or third board meeting, I realised there were no investors waiting in the wings.”
Crouch’s comments echo a statement released to the Stock Exchange by Southampton Leisure Holdings last December following Hone, Dulieu and Oldknow’s resignations.
That said: “The common expectation was that Michael Wilde and his associates would secure the investment of substantial funds to help put the company back on a sound financial footing and greatly enhance the prospects of winning promotion.
“Regrettably, the fact that such funds never materialised caused severe and continuous friction amongst the directors.”
Crouch was booted off the football club board twice in the space of 12 months.
First, he was voted off it in the summer of 2007 by Hone, Dulieu, Oldknow, operations manager Lee Hoos and finance director David Jones.
Crouch had been appointed Wilde’s successor as football board chairman in February 2007 following the former’s resignation.
“As we did not get promoted (in 2006/07), I insisted on the implementation of some cost cutting measures, which were approved by the board, the bank and auditors in Sept 2006,” Crouch recalled.
“Unfortunately the executives did not share this view and I was overruled.
“There was a lot of animosity between certain non-executives and executives who did not want to implement what I called Plan B.
“It was well documented that I fell out of favour with the executives because of my stance. At that time, they had control and sacked me.”
When told of Crouch’s comments, a Saints spokesman said: “The club will not be drawn into debate over this issue. As far as we are concerned, the issue of the financial accounts has been dealt with.
“We are pleased that Mr Crouch is enjoying watching the fantastic displays that our young squad have been providing, and are confident we will be able to improve on the encouraging start we have made.”
wonder weasel, southampton says...
7:53am Wed 3 Dec 08
Chris1991, Marchwood says...
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Ozmosis, Southampton says...
7:54am Wed 3 Dec 08
Garynate, Fawley says...
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St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
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UTS, says...
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SFC4EVA, Southampton says...
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Dave Juson, Freemantle says...
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Invidia, southampton says...
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St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
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damoose, someplace thats cold says...
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Portswood Pete, Portswood says...
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Invidia, southampton says...
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the ref, southampton says...
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couzzy, southampton says...
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Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
11:53am Wed 3 Dec 08
Help The Saints, Southampton says...
12:40pm Wed 3 Dec 08
St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
12:42pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
1:11pm Wed 3 Dec 08
UTS, says...
1:16pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Dave Juson wrote:Oh and you know differenet then mush ? Pathetic little twerp who sucked Lowes plums in 2006. Saints 'historian' nothing more than a Judas.
Unbelievably, there isn't an annual award for posting the most consistently boring, misinformed, misguided, defeatist and depressing observations about the Saints on this website, but I urge the Echo to institute one and I would like to nominate both UTS and St Yorkie.
UTS, says...
1:18pm Wed 3 Dec 08
UTS, says...
1:22pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Dave Juson wrote:Well Juson i found it.
Unbelievably, there isn't an annual award for posting the most consistently boring, misinformed, misguided, defeatist and depressing observations about the Saints on this website, but I urge the Echo to institute one and I would like to nominate both UTS and St Yorkie.
St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
1:46pm Wed 3 Dec 08
sainthog7, southampton says...
1:54pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Dave Juson, Freemantle says...
2:13pm Wed 3 Dec 08
UTS wrote:The letter in question was originally published in the Echo, heavily - and dishonestly - edited, and only appeared on the official Club website after my complaint was ignored. Echo editor Ian Murray threatened to sue the Club if it wasn’t removed. Well it’s still there, the Echo still hasn’t sued and I stand by every word.
Dave Juson wrote: Unbelievably, there isn't an annual award for posting the most consistently boring, misinformed, misguided, defeatist and depressing observations about the Saints on this website, but I urge the Echo to institute one and I would like to nominate both UTS and St Yorkie.Well Juson i found it. This is your misinformed garbage that was used by Rupert Lowe as a PR stunt for the OS in 2006. It would appear Holley/Chalk/Bull are true historian and your just a Lowe luvvie mug. http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/?page_id=6244 'Misinformed' he says.. yeah right
St.Yorkie, Pocklington says...
2:22pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Portswood Pete, Portswood says...
2:36pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Invidia wrote:But Invidia, you are forgetting, Leon is a Saints fan, Rupert isn't. Yes Roops had the first shot in this particular instance but Leon, for the good of the club, should've kept his big fat gob shut, but he couldn't resist could he? He's done nothing to help his, or our, cause, the man's an idiot.
I think you will find Portswood Pete it was RL who had the first swipe in this latest bit of gossip
Beer Monster, Hythe says...
3:57pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Invidia, southampton says...
3:58pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Portswood Pete wrote:You could well be right P.P
Invidia wrote: I think you will find Portswood Pete it was RL who had the first swipe in this latest bit of gossipBut Invidia, you are forgetting, Leon is a Saints fan, Rupert isn't. Yes Roops had the first shot in this particular instance but Leon, for the good of the club, should've kept his big fat gob shut, but he couldn't resist could he? He's done nothing to help his, or our, cause, the man's an idiot.
allsaintsnocurves, Southampton says...
4:03pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Traceyf, Southampton says...
4:31pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
5:08pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Where is the Saviour?, Southampton says...
5:58pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Saint, says...
7:05pm Wed 3 Dec 08
TottonScrutineer, Totton says...
7:26pm Wed 3 Dec 08
the third hardest man in sholing, southampton says...
7:35pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Saint in Melbourne, Melbourne says...
8:49pm Wed 3 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
9:30am Thu 4 Dec 08
Saint, says...
11:40am Thu 4 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury wrote:Yes you have, and you should go back and read them yourself, and the many who have argue with you and found you to be annoying, childish and arrogant.
Saint - I don't know how you can read what I say and turn it round so much to make it suit your argument. I also cannot understand how you can guess/assume so much about Rupert Lowe. I have never said I am pro Lowe and in fact I have raised many criticisms of the man I have never said he can do no wrong I have never said lets forget the past I have never said lets back his intention again and again I have never said it is cool to be positive You have proof Lowe has come back with a bitter heart? He has not talked over and over again about the money problem - he has reported a few times what the situation is He got rid of Pearson because he could not afford to keep him He did not get rid of the picture, he gave it back to LM to hang in a place where more could see it The train picture was presented to him by another club - what was he supposed to do with it I do not fight all - try reading all the posts to see how many people I agree with and also how many people agree with me. Why should I not ask you to give me proof of things you say - and why is it you never seem able to do it. I do not actually listen to much of what Lowe says as it does not really interst me too much, but if your whole argument rests on him speaking in the third person - and from that you think can determine his thought process - how very sad. Not sure how many different ways I can put this before you understand. I am a fan and I support my team. If Lowe did wrong some years ago (and I do not think he did half of what you accuse him of) I am willing to forget it for the time being. The team and it's progress is too important right now. At the moment I have seen not one thing he has said or done to make me want to join any campaign to see him ousted. That does not make me a Lowe lover or even that I particularly like the man. MY chief concern is going to watch the lads play and drumming up as much support for them as and where I can, so hopefully we will stay in this division this season. I am here for the football. If I see you or any other person on this site say something I do not understand I will ask if you can explain it to me. If I read something that I think is wrong or an accusation that is made without any apparent proof - I will ask to see the evidence. I am not trying to be cool or fight the world - all I want is honesty and fair comments, and to support my team
UTS, says...
1:02pm Thu 4 Dec 08
alan.of.eastleigh, eastleigh says...
1:51pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
2:06pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Saint, says...
3:07pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury wrote:Na...did not think you could or would!
Saint - you are like a demented dog with a bone. For Christ sake give it a rest. I have explained my position too many times to you in the past and you always find something to bleat about. If you do not like my posts or they make you really angry - don't read them. Please do not try to tell me what to do when it comes to answering your question. It cannot simply be answered in a simple A or B I was there for the cup final and it meant the world to me. The memories will stay with me forever and nobody will take them away from me. One picture of LM with the cup being removed from the board room means absolutely nothing. It is a picture - so what. There are thousands and thousands of pictures about the cup. I have a folder crammed with photos and all the newspaper clippings. I will never see that picture in the boardroom and nor will you, so how is that taking away the memory of the cup for anyone. The fact is it was just being given back to LM to hang in a different part of the ground so more people could see it. To me it makes absolute bloody sense. As for the train picture - it does not really matter what the picture is of, it is all about the gesture. We were given it by Doncastor FC as a special gift and I cannot see it matters that we have hung it in the board room. It would have been disrespectful to take it from them and do nothing with it. As for your suggestion of what you could do with it - how very predictable. Listen mate, if all you have on Rupert Lowe is where he wants to hang a picture, or that you think I was a bit rude to an old man then you need to get a life. There are matters more important than this in life and I suggest you find some.
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
5:20pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Saint, says...
6:27pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury wrote:DOH firstly don't be in denial about not being arrogant. Look at your first agressive opening line. Lets play the game at your level. Very nicely put DOH.
Alright Saint - lets play the game at your level. I explained why any sane person would not just answer the question you gave from only two answers provided by you. There are lots of answers you could give and wher is my freedom of choice when it comes to answering. Right - if I say my answer would be A - you would say right then why did Lowe choose the picture above the history of our FA cup success. If I had said B - you would have said I could not possibly be a fan of the club if I felt the picture was more impostant than the FA cup history. I gave you my answer why I could not just answe from A or B - what about that do you not understand. You just read my posts now and think only that I am being arrogant or rude. You don't actually read what I am saying. We keep doing this bit and I suppose I should just grow up and move on, but a bit like you feel you have me and won't let go - neither will I. Every post you make about me accuses me of being abusive. Right, one question for you, but I know you won't answer because you never do. Your post says I had a tantrum and showered myb post with abuse. GIVE ME ONE BLOODY EXAMPLE or get off my back and find someone else to falsely accuse of things that just aren't true.
Traceyf, Southampton says...
10:36pm Thu 4 Dec 08
Saint, says...
10:21am Fri 5 Dec 08
Traceyf wrote:No I have not, and no we do not know it is in the LM box. This was only suggested it could be, when it was delivered to LM home.
saint, The said picture is now probably hanging in LMs directors box - thats hardly getting rid of it but somehow you manage to make it sound like Lowe took it to the city dump.
Derek of Holbury, Holbury says...
11:02am Fri 5 Dec 08
Saint, says...
2:29pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Derek of Holbury wrote:This is priceless! It is also hypocrictical and typical of you!
O.K. Saint YOU WIN You have finally made me aware I am no match for you. Apart from hardly understanding a word you say (and I do not mean this as a criticism of you) or what your point is, I have now decided you will are so determined to find arrogance in whatever I write there is just no point in responding any more to your posts. The sad thing is I have sat back and noticed that your accusations and abuse to me have reduced me to writing back in a similar fashion - and I do not like myself for doing it. I have repeatedly asked questions of you that you point blank refuse to answer, and instead fire back at me that I do not answer yours. You accuse me of bullying, but you go on about the main question you asked that I refused to answer. In a democracy you are free to ask a question and the person being asked is free to answer. Bullying is where you ask a question and insist that there are only two answers to choose from and then insist that one of them is chosen. I answered your qusetion, but because I chose not to give one of the answers you listed - you saw this as a failure on my part to answer your question. No point in continuing - it is a stalemate. I will go on posting, but there is absolutely no point in me responding again to your posts. They are getting nasty and I do not wish that to continue.
derek fo holbury, holbury says...
7:48pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Saint, says...
1:10am Sun 7 Dec 08
derek fo holbury wrote:DOH I love my club, and want more than you do for Saints than what Lowe is or will bring!
Saint - keep keeping the faith
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Ozmosis, Southampton says...
7:52am Wed 3 Dec 08
I wonder if Mike Ashley would be interested in a South Coast club once he's off-loaded Newcastle?