Tony Lynam releases statement on Pinnacle's failed Saints bid (From Daily Echo)

Jokers full stop!

from "on the cross" website:

"All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints."

I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls

at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

What was it about "done deal" "willing to acceot the 10 points" and my personal favorite "the players want eggs for breakfast so we'll sort that out" that now means we're being fed excuses.

We need to relist the club on ebay with the clause no time wasters please!

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website:

"All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints."

I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls

at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

Red Bull Saints

I know its been said before but..

Would the last one out turn off the lights....for good.

Potentially the club is finished.

Players and staff have been paid! Surman gone to wolves 1.5 million... and a small fee for Davies who has left for Westham. No points deducted for not paying the players and staff! Is there hope?

Is that Red Bullsh**? Think I'd prefer the Pinnacle-ada hic.

"We have been told that there is a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka" Been told by whom? What form does this tirade take?

As usual, nothing of substance.

What "obstacles"? What "compromise"?
We'll likely never be told the reason why the bid was withdrawn.

There was certainly no tirade in these columns. I think we've had a lucky escape folks.

Well... not much detail there then!

Anyway, I do hope people get the message that the Backers do not need the abuse!

Well will it ever end.....

FRY must take a lower settlement or liquidate-Mr Fry decide, every one is out of time and fed up with your ongoing inaction

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

i wrote that article :D

Well its same old story 4 saints, i just think that pinncale have wasted to much time for nothing, so it lokks like swiss group or liquidation.

still have faith though COYR!

Bashfan wrote:
"We have been told that there is a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka" Been told by whom? What form does this tirade take? As usual, nothing of substance. What "obstacles"? What "compromise"? We'll likely never be told the reason why the bid was withdrawn. There was certainly no tirade in these columns. I think we've had a lucky escape folks.

If this so called "tirade" eminated from this website then their backers muct be soooo thin skinned they wouldn't last five mins at the helm of a club. Imagine what they'd have got if they were 4 nil down to Colchester on a rainy Wednesday night!!

Also sounds like he's fishing for the FL to move the goalposts....

BrooksoSaints09 wrote:

Saintan wrote: from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

i wrote that article :D

Where did you get it from?? You are ebneing accused of being a WUM...

nomore wrote:
Players and staff have been paid! Surman gone to wolves 1.5 million... and a small fee for Davies who has left for Westham. No points deducted for not paying the players and staff! Is there hope?

Don't forget the administrator will expect his fee and set this aside..didn't PeterRowe say in his experience that was around a million..no doubt he gets first call.

Let us know what these obstacles were then Lynam so us fans can judge for ourselves

how can you reach a compromise when the backer is a penniless fooker a waste of space as is tony des lynam and letiss has been on the golf course all afternoon god w@nkers

So our hopes rested on a propert consultant (Glorified estate agent) and a property developer (Letting agent). No wonder the deal fell thru. They probably wanted to build new flats on SMS.

if theres going to be a protest about nr falka i want to know about it so all us ture saints fans can go for him messing our club about and probaly made us go into exstinkion

Go the The Bulls!

Observer 2 wrote:

nomore wrote: Players and staff have been paid! Surman gone to wolves 1.5 million... and a small fee for Davies who has left for Westham. No points deducted for not paying the players and staff! Is there hope?

Don't forget the administrator will expect his fee and set this aside..didn't PeterRowe say in his experience that was around a million..no doubt he gets first call.

True..The wolves fee is upfront but not sure about the DM deal..there may even be some change left for ETO!...

What a bullshitting tosspot.

Pinnacle Group fiddled while Southampton burned.

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website:

"All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints."

I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls

at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

I will believe it when i see it.

That's right, blame the fans...I wonder how Mr Fialka's parents feel, they must have raised such a nice boy to toy with the emotions of thousands of fans, involve the clubs greatest ever player, introduce a mouthpiece and allow him to screw the lot of us.

Class..it was CLEARLY ALL TALK

Red Bull Saints sounds good to me !

Dont think pinnacle could manage a football club and would probably spend all there time in long protracted agruments and law suits- Sounds Like Rupert had something to do with this bid.

SW:debt-neck

Re; "a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka and his backers/colleagues". Someone asked how Tony L knew of this. Well if you all recall, Fialka is on Facebook where anyone can send him a message.
I too would like to know the deal that they were not prepared to accept as the points deduction for no wages is not possible now they have been paid?

H0ckeyd wrote:
That's right, blame the fans...I wonder how Mr Fialka's parents feel, they must have raised such a nice boy to toy with the emotions of thousands of fans, involve the clubs greatest ever player, introduce a mouthpiece and allow him to screw the lot of us. Class..it was CLEARLY ALL TALK

Here Here well said !

Sw: deny-cash

Hope all you's who have been on pinnacles backs are pleased with yr selves. They had every right to appeal the 10 points. Thanks also to the football league. One rule for derby a few years back and a different one for us now. I'm gutted.

i have my sources,

sw nose-work....lol....
RIP MJ

Don't lose faith.

Personally I am going to sacrifice many vodka Red Bulls now to the great Gods of the Saints. In the morning, I will wake up and everything will be sorted. Easy. Anyone want to join me?

Sorry Mr Lynam, who are these "backers", you said there was one, singular, who was worth "several hundred million pounds", Mr Fialka then put his head above the parapet and, lo and behold, we have a backer who is worth less than me! I think Mr Lynam and Mr Fialka need to go back under the rock from whence they came.

What a joke we have turned out to be...surley we have to be due some good news soon for F*** Sake!!!

Sick of it all...Fialka...whate
ver, we all knew something was dodgy when the clown turned up on SSN..iam gutted Le Tiss was involved with these D**k heads and yes..that really does include you lynam...il come and cook you your F****** Eggs for breakfast..through a straw!!!!

We now know that Pinnacle didn't have what it takes - time to move on. Get this Swiss consortium in and, hopefully, close a deal this week. I am convinced MF will do what is best for the club, but he has other parties to satify aswell. His is a delicate balancing act between saving the club, and getting the maximum revenue for his creditors. The long term future of the club in league one (promotion etc etc) is not really his concern. He only cares that the club stays afloat and Norwich Union/Barclays get paid. Full stop.

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website:

"All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints."

I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls

at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

God I hope u r right if not d*mn u.

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

HERE HERE... I could manage that.

Tw*t

SW pick-poor.
Just sums up Pinnacle

Time wasting idiot who is full of the brown stuff.

DJI wrote:
Re; "a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka and his backers/colleagues". Someone asked how Tony L knew of this. Well if you all recall, Fialka is on Facebook where anyone can send him a message. I too would like to know the deal that they were not prepared to accept as the points deduction for no wages is not possible now they have been paid?

correct.. but the 10 points may still stand for not having a licence when the fixtures have been issued.

So all you folks who stayed away last season,slagged off Pinnacle backers,thanks a lot!already there's jibes about Swiss consortium,Red Bull etc get off their backs!go and watch Pompey we dont need you!

ken j wrote:
So all you folks who stayed away last season,slagged off Pinnacle backers,thanks a lot!already there's jibes about Swiss consortium,Red Bull etc get off their backs!go and watch Pompey we dont need you!

get a life, some of you are STILL defending them. Understand one thing and one thing only....THEY DONT HAVE ANY BACKERS!!!! how much more evidence do you want or shall i bullett point it on here...again!

We are only slagging off a fake consortium who didnt have the knowledge OR funds to save us - whats wrong with that!!!!!!

i think lynam's "everything is going to be o.k" statement from a month ago is the cause of some anger. We have backed the survival of the club as much as some fans can.We love are club and are gutted.

BrooksoSaints09 wrote:
i have my sources, sw nose-work....lol.... RIP MJ

You aren't giving anyone much faith in your believability as a journalist here - more convincing needed

he never mentioned all those f***ing days wasted due to there crappy little exclusivity period which could be the difference between us getting taken over or not

If Mawhinney and his Football League pals continue to obstruct any serious buyer then there will be no SFC, as I see it the FL will not allow any new bidder to contest the 10 point deduction and also want the option to impose further penalty points if they see fit. If I was a buyer I could accept the -10 points, saints would have a fighting chance, but should there be the prospect of further deductions that could easily lead to the club's demise then why would I want to invest in a business venture that had already faile before it got off the starting blocks? You've only got to look at what happened to the likes of Leeds and Luton, this is a stark warning to any prospective buyers and unitl the FL start to consider what is fair and reasonable SFC will not be sold and that we be the end of it.

So let's not balme Pinnacle, MLT, Fialka or Fry, it's the FL that need to be held accountable here, the reason MLT will not discuss these issues is because is likely to put off other buyers and he doesn't want that.

can we just have some truth surrounding the whole affair .and where is the fl statement on what their stance and conditions are thats causing the grief.if as said pg were going to take the 10 point deduction on the chin what else is the problem.lets hope one of these other groups can do a deal quickly so we have time to build for the fast approachjng season,and to at least keep some playing staff

Red Bulls*it saints

Repeat.
Football league clubs are not allowed to have a commerical name in their title.
Remember Road Sea Southampton,well they were only allowed to be called R S Southampton.

what amazes me is how quick to flame Pinnancle and MLT people are.

no one on here knows whether the Pinnancle group had money or not other than Fry

to those that say it was a waste of time consider that last months wages wwre paid by Pinnancle.

can everyone just slow down, take a deep breath and actually consider what facts we have out there, which at this point in time are very few

if you want to point the finger then lets get the Echo to ask the FL what the terms are, afterall they publish on their website the terms that Ledds etc had to abide by, then perhaps we can all make rational conclusions

All this Red Bull talk has given me wind.....phewd..... oops excuse me...sorry wasn't me.

I'm so gutted we are in this situation without a buyer.....I honestly don't know what to say....apart from Do you think it was the Echo's reporting which caused Pinnacle to pull out?.

We have been told that there is a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka ....... dear god is i ever see any of you 3 tw'ts round southampton tony michael fry you just might see a tirade of abuse

DorsetSaint wrote:
what amazes me is how quick to flame Pinnancle and MLT people are. no one on here knows whether the Pinnancle group had money or not other than Fry to those that say it was a waste of time consider that last months wages wwre paid by Pinnancle. can everyone just slow down, take a deep breath and actually consider what facts we have out there, which at this point in time are very few if you want to point the finger then lets get the Echo to ask the FL what the terms are, afterall they publish on their website the terms that Ledds etc had to abide by, then perhaps we can all make rational conclusions

Quick to blame Pinnacle, are you serious? We should be locking them up by now for gods sake. For me its not even the pulling out ( bad and predictable as it was ) that hurts. It's the fact that MLT and TL STILL, even in their statements, cannot bring themselves to explain the problems as they see them.

As they themselves have said more than once, its not the 10 points. Thats fair enough, but after 5 weeks!! of stress for staff / players / fans and everyone concerned treat us with a little intelligence and explain publicly what legal or technical difficulties they have encountered. Some information is always better than none and vague comments like 'other obstacles' will always leave doubters like me believing that this was all smoke and mirrors and NO MONEY.

Now thats why i'm **** off! I can take the bad news but i just don't the reason for it to be made up on the spot......

nomore wrote:
Players and staff have been paid! Surman gone to wolves 1.5 million... and a small fee for Davies who has left for Westham. No points deducted for not paying the players and staff! Is there hope?

no, in a word, not any more ... and we sure as hell don't want any of this Red Bullsh*t nonsense!!!

According to sky sports web site kelvin davis has had medical at West Ham.
not that we pay him anymore but good luck to you.

Red Bull?

White Bull?

Blue Bull?

One sure thing, we have been fed plenty of Bull over the past few weeks, so why not more!

Saint Paul makes valid points. The intransigence of the Football League concerns me most as well. Why does the League look to `screw` Clubs who hit financial problems.Their conduct is tantamount to `blackmail` - Do not appeal the 10 point penalty - Agree to further reduction of points for any other perceived lapses in financial matters, otherwise we will not grant your license to play in League 1. Hardly encouraging persons or groups to invest their money in the Club is it. The Football League have quite happily destroyed/relegated the likes of Luton and Bournemouth amongst others. They should not be allowed to get away with their bullying tactics.

Saintan wrote:
from "on the cross" website:

"All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints."

I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls

at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it
from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

That is weird, i was just reading today all about how and why Red Bull have used sports as a huge (and successful) marketing campaign. I'm not gonna be so bold as to say i believe this news but i also wouldn't say it is bulls**t.

Southampton Red Bulls or Red Bull Saints, doesn't bother me, its just a name. If it means we survive and get the backing of a major sports fanatical, multi billion pound company then they can call us what the hell they want!

Common as Saints wrote:

Saintan wrote: from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it from "on the cross" website: "All hope hangs on the shoulders of a Austrian consortium, thought to be none other than Red bull. The sports company are worth £8bil and have a string of successful sports teams and endorse very successful sports stars, such as Sebastian Vettel and Kevin Pietersen, however, the deal could agree that the clubs name can be changed, as all red bull owned sports teams have 'Red Bull' in their names, the proposed name is rumoured to be 'Southampton Red Bulls'. This may cause uproar in the City as it is against tradition and with all due respect, sounds very American. Mark Fry is expected to make a statement this evening; however there are rumours going around that Pinnacle stepped aside due to Le Tissier saying that the Austrian consortium can provide a better future for the Saints." I'd be happy to Southampton Red Bulls at least we'd still be alive - might have to lay off the Red Bull tho - i hear they power their F1 cars on it

That is weird, i was just reading today all about how and why Red Bull have used sports as a huge (and successful) marketing campaign. I'm not gonna be so bold as to say i believe this news but i also wouldn't say it is bulls**t. Southampton Red Bulls or Red Bull Saints, doesn't bother me, its just a name. If it means we survive and get the backing of a major sports fanatical, multi billion pound company then they can call us what the hell they want!

couldn't agree more

I don't care about our branding, all I want is OUR club to survive

SW- soon baby. god I hope so...

I have been one that called for patience with PG and now feel like a mug. What else are people supposed to do but conclude that they are utter time wasters when we are being kept in the dark. Tell us the exact problems that stopped the takeover or expect people to jump to their own conclusions. Enough of this cloak and dagger bullsht.

the football league should hold its head in SHAME they are the people that have put illegal obsticals in our way, the deal would have been done a long time ago if it wernt for them. they should be held accountable for what they are doing, lets hope austrian bid can save us. saints till i die.

I said Pinnacle had no serious financial backer(s) and I remain convinced they never did. A clown like Tony Lynam just wouldn't have had those sort of contacts and Matty should certainly have seen it long before we did?!!

Bashfan wrote:
"We have been told that there is a tirade of abuse being aimed at Mr Fialka" Been told by whom? What form does this tirade take? As usual, nothing of substance. What "obstacles"? What "compromise"? We'll likely never be told the reason why the bid was withdrawn. There was certainly no tirade in these columns. I think we've had a lucky escape folks.

Methinks thou dost protest too much Mr Fialka. Seriously, did he expect people to sit back and say nothing when we were told there was only one backer, a proprty developer worth hundreds of millions and then we find out he lives with his mum in a semi-detatched and runs a letting agency with a turnover of only £50k (I think thats what the article said). People are passionate about thier club and if he doesn't understand that emotions are going to be running high at a time such as this then he has no business being in football anyway. Even so, I don't remember a tirade of abuse. Red Bull Saints? Yeah, bring it on if it means the club survives at St Mary's Red Bull Stadium which has to be better than Friends Provident Stadium anyday.

I hate to be a realist here but Red Bull have just shelled out for German team Markranstädt and promised to invest 100million euros, so they aren't going to buying another team a week later are they?

Jesus...except it, barring a miracle we are fooked

Le Tiss, you are and always will be a god in my eyes on the pitch. But, if you really love this club tell us what went on. As I see it there are only 2 possibilities. Either PG led you up the garden path like the rest of us and there was never any money - in which case you can be forgiven for being led by your heart like the rest of us - or there is a genuine problem with the FL's demands, in which case the only honourable thing you can do for the good of the club is tell us what they were,so the other prospective buyers at least have a chance of challenging them. Come on Matt, bull aside, this is the most important moment in our history. Tell us what went on. Is there anything others can do to avoid the same pitfalls or are we really doomed? We have 3 days to find out Matt. Spill the beans before it's too late.

DorsetSaint wrote:
what amazes me is how quick to flame Pinnancle and MLT people are.

no one on here knows whether the Pinnancle group had money or not other than Fry

to those that say it was a waste of time consider that last months wages wwre paid by Pinnancle.

can everyone just slow down, take a deep breath and actually consider what facts we have out there, which at this point in time are very few

if you want to point the finger then lets get the Echo to ask the FL what the terms are, afterall they publish on their website the terms that Ledds etc had to abide by, then perhaps we can all make rational conclusions

I agree. where is the FL statement?

They have been silent through out except to say that they are dealing with Pinnacle directly.

Lets face it the group had the money...they just didn't want to be d1cked by the league.

JESUS CHRIST! is there anything some of you wont forgive. Talk about good natured, its a bloody good job half the people on here arent buying the club or we really would be out of business.

Go right back to start of this FARCE and read the statements from Lynam and MLT and more recently Fialka. Nothing they have said or done has ANY continuity AT ALL.

1, How many wealthy backers were there. First 4, then 1, then a group or wealthy family, now none.

2, What are they worth. Firstly a PERSONAL net worth of 'several hundred million'. Now, we don't know but people with 000's millions could have just bought 1st and battled the league in court afterwards.

3, 'the ten point deduction is not a deal breaker', isn't it? no where in any other statement has anyone involved been able to explain anything other than use the phrase 'other issues' - If their not buying us, it won't matter to tell us what they are then and treat us with a little dignity and intelligence?

4, They tell us that the backers' identity will be revealed after the take over then Mickey Mouse goes on Sky sports news! laughable! then Lynam tells us he planned that afterwards. Hands up if you were born yesterday!

This is not how serious business works fellow fans, this is classic making it up because we are miles out of our depth behaviour. Think Branson, Sugar, hell even the Glazers have more PR skill than this...

They have just spent 5 weeks of our lives NOT buying the club and ultimately NOT apologizing for it but hey ' they did their best '. NO they didnt, they realised it was going to take longer to make a profit with the deductions th FL are allowed to impose so they f****d off. THATS THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT, THATS BUSINESS.

Did they pull out because they love the club and they want to see it progress, no, didnt think so....MLT needs to start polishing that halo.

END OF.

well said that man......this was all just a load of ****....that jug eared t0sser should go back to mummy.....pinnacle have got their 15 minutes of fame and a bit of free publicity lets hope that someone does some damage to them....i'm right behind you!!!!

The FL need to realise this is a wider issue than the sale of SFC,this is about creating an enviroment where potential investors can feel confident about bringing funds into football, in a depressed financial market.They need to seriously reveiw their stance,for the future of football in general and make investing in football in the UK a viable proposition,not only for the "big" clubs.

normsted wrote:
The FL need to realise this is a wider issue than the sale of SFC,this is about creating an enviroment where potential investors can feel confident about bringing funds into football, in a depressed financial market.They need to seriously reveiw their stance,for the future of football in general and make investing in football in the UK a viable proposition,not only for the "big" clubs.

Absolutely! Talk of further sanctions from the FL are utter nonsense -the only reason SFC are still in administration is because of the position of the FL themselves! It's clear that every avenue has been explored and it's no fault of the club that no deal has been signed.

Tony Lynham is right to ask for all abuse towards the backers to stop - his comment of "...and the amount of people who have walked away from the table should perhaps be a message to all of us." is very telling.

Why have so many walked away? Is it because of the position of the FL? Or is it simply because of what the mess that the Dark Lord left behind??

Who is to blame? RL or FL? Take your pick.

And as for Red Bull - we've seen and heard enough bull over the past couple of months so a bit more won't make much difference regardless of its colour.

One day you lot will get this . It is not a problem created by the Football League. It is a problem with Southampton FC.

Whilst the sentiment about knocking clubs when they are dwn can be understood. It's not the way the world exists, otherwise every fiddle in the world would go on and bring the League itself into total disrepute.

All fans of those that have felt the same as you over points deductions and sanctions against their team.

Before you feel you are victimised, it is up to Southampton to get their house in order not the other way round. They know the rules upfront, after all they voted them in at previous league meetings.

And before anyone goes whinging on once again about the holding company being in admin and not the FC ..look and read the post of the article I loaded elsewhere on the site.

It doesn't need a forensic accountant to realise that effectively both organisations are dependant on and interlinked with each other.

I have no doubt that everyone involved in the Pinnacle bid, not least, Tony Lynam, worked tirelessly on this deal. However, announcing that you had a backer worth "hundreds of millions (pounds)", then revealing a bloke from Barnet who lived in his mum's back room just didn't add up. Surely you could see that Tony? At that point the bid lost all credibility, and sadly, there has been some venting of anger/frustration from fans - this however is understandable, as we believe we have lost 5 valuable weeks in which we could have been moving ahead with the Swiss bid. If Fialka was your financial mainstay from day one (which I suspect is not the case) then your own alarm bells should have been ringing. Seriously ringing. The Football League obstacles don't really cut mustard any more - your backers just got cold feet, and at the worst possible time.

Also of course, Mark Fry is culpable. Surely it's his job to ensure that the bidders are who they puport to be? - seems like he did a less than professional job on Pinnacle, but then as soon as I saw him on the first day of administration I felt he was hopelessly out of his depth. Why Deloitte, PwC or KPMG or someone wasn't apppointed I'll never know.

We can only hope now that Fry is able to complete a deal with the Swiss, otherwise we face the abyss.