Potential foreign owners in late night Saints talks (From Daily Echo)
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Potential foreign owners in late night Saints talks
5:40pm Wednesday 1st July 2009 in
TWO overseas groups were last night confident of striking a deal to take over Saints as the battle to save the club from possible extinction reaches its climax.
A worldwide financial services group were negotiating with creditors late into last night in a bid to complete a deal.
The Daily Echo revealed yesterday that the group had arrived late at the negotiating table, though they have been monitoring the St Mary’s situation for some weeks.
The group claim they have enough wealth to go through with the takeover.
The Swiss group, however, were also remaining confident of finalising a takeover just three days before administrator Mark Fry’s deadline.
The Swiss – who were close to being granted exclusivity before Fry gave it to the Pinnacle group over a month ago – were engaged in meetings all day yesterday having agreed most of the finer points of their deal.
As the last remnants of due diligence were being completed, a team of lawyers were attempting to finalise contracts.
In the background, plans were being mapped out for their first days and weeks in charge so they can hit the ground running.
Last night’s talks were the final act in a remarkable day, even by Saints’ standards.
The Matt Le Tissier-backed Pinnacle group withdrew their bid just hours after Dorset businessman Marc Jackson had done likewise.
Le Tissier said the ongoing problems with the Football League were behind Pinnacle’s decision to withdraw.
“We had actually spoken to the backers and talked them into accepting the 10 point deduction and getting on with things,” said the Saints legend.
“But there were other issues that came up and issues that we were only aware of after we had signed the exclusivity agreement.
“From that point of view the backers have taken a stance that they are not willing under the terms on offer to put the money in.
“The 10 point penalty wasn’t the sticking point, there were other issues.”
Jackson’s consortium – containing Middle Eastern businessmen – withdrew because they felt it too “risky” at the present time.
Comments(190)
Snuggle saint
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8:32am Wed 1 Jul 09
going to cheer on Andy Murray....hope our bad luck does not rub off on him
Harold K Steptoe
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8:33am Wed 1 Jul 09
truelysaints
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8:35am Wed 1 Jul 09
Bitterne Park Tim
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8:35am Wed 1 Jul 09
Harold K Steptoe wrote:Actually that is exactly how major institutions make purchasers, there is no point in showing your hand untill the last minute.... I am not saying it is nice for the fans.... but it is what I would do in the same situation.
blah blah tosh, a group that have been waiting in the wings for weeks, not very keen then are they.
saintsfan25
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8:35am Wed 1 Jul 09
Bassett Boy
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8:36am Wed 1 Jul 09
We've all had enough of this protracted will it-won't it happen takeover saga with a bunch of chancers and timewasters, so if you're serious;
GET ON WITH IT
jhp767903
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8:38am Wed 1 Jul 09
We all know that we have had hundreds of false dawns, but not lets "trash" any lingering hope we have of a saviour coming in.
Could I ask that The Echo now remove Mr Lynam from this site, unless they expect him to reappeare in the scenario?
"doze-town"!!!!!!
Gingothesaint
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8:39am Wed 1 Jul 09
Good news today pls
COYR
SW:good-site .....
Yer rite!
jase
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8:40am Wed 1 Jul 09
St.Stubb
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8:40am Wed 1 Jul 09
saint_luke
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8:40am Wed 1 Jul 09
Swalk
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8:41am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed
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8:47am Wed 1 Jul 09
Gingothesaint
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8:49am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:Thats harsh, If it wasnt for MLT we *probably* would be in a lower league by now. He was fooled, I'm sure at one point in your life noble you have also had wool pulled over your eyes. Dont take it out on Le Tiss, He may still have a big part to play in this. They need our support now not comments like this.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
saint_luke
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8:49am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:Some people really are short sighted aint they. With out his goals years ago we would not have enjoyed all them top flight season.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
Stossie
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8:51am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:you tool!!
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
Bring Back Le Tiss
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8:52am Wed 1 Jul 09
St.Yorkie
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8:52am Wed 1 Jul 09
I have wasted many hours of my working day on the pages of may forums to see if we will ever survive - I am waiting still! When is the day of reckoning? Looks like our pre-season friendlies will be a bigger farce than usual!
Dear Mr Wealthy Person
Many thanks for the interst shown in our club. We all hope you save us from oblivion and invest millions of £'s making us the great club we once were. We are loyal to the point of breaking - ask Rupert Lowe!
We have a big family and lots of hungry mouths and hangers on to feed. Please wipe the slate clean, but remember the traditions of a small club punching well above it's weight. We don't need a Kaka or Renaldo...we want honest professionals and grafters.
Many thanks.
steveyot
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8:52am Wed 1 Jul 09
Ozmosis
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8:53am Wed 1 Jul 09
St.Stubb wrote:St.Stubb wrote:
I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.
"I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think."
Indeed - I remember him saying he was going to support the teams playing against England in the last World Cup. So, like you, I won't be cheering him on!
Sickofitall
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8:53am Wed 1 Jul 09
Burton Saint
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8:53am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:MLT has been a victim of this charade not the perpetrator. The true story why Pinnacle walked will probably never be in the public domain and certainly not released on this site.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
Never lose sight of the fact that the demise of SLH/SFC is solely down to previous management. Lowe, followed by Wilde, followed by Lowe.
MLT deserves credit, naive though he may have been, not criticism for what was attempted.
Ray the Don
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8:54am Wed 1 Jul 09
Stossie from coventry support your local team dreamer.
Bring back Harry Redknapp
worthing_saint
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8:55am Wed 1 Jul 09
I watch and wait for the good news we all deserve......
boyattboi
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8:56am Wed 1 Jul 09
Major Sir Jerry Pending
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8:56am Wed 1 Jul 09
saint_luke
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8:57am Wed 1 Jul 09
Ray the Don wrote:Im on about when he was a playing you thick ****. People turn on him. MLT gave his all to this club and anyone who turned on him can go **** yourselfs
Short sighted are you a joker if you had the money then buy the club dont talk b*** S**t then come out with excuses. Stossie from coventry support your local team dreamer. Bring back Harry Redknapp
Stossie
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8:58am Wed 1 Jul 09
Ray the Don wrote:born n bred in sholing mate so wherever i am in the world I will always support saints , and will always stand up for MLT when some muppet insults him.
Short sighted are you a joker if you had the money then buy the club dont talk b*** S**t then come out with excuses. Stossie from coventry support your local team dreamer. Bring back Harry Redknapp
worthing_saint
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8:58am Wed 1 Jul 09
Le Tiss always was and always will le God.
WhatNext
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8:59am Wed 1 Jul 09
Stossie
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9:00am Wed 1 Jul 09
worthing_saint wrote:too right mate, they aint got a clue.
all you to$$erS slagging off le tissier are just trolls...crawl back under your bridges. Le Tiss always was and always will le God.
Cheapshot
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9:00am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:T#AT!!!
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
Saint Rob
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9:01am Wed 1 Jul 09
truelysaints wrote:I 2nd that! We have heard it all before!
NO COMMENT
hoskins75
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9:02am Wed 1 Jul 09
long live the Saints.
we will get out of this i guarantee.
sw: rise link. !!!
hoskins75
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9:03am Wed 1 Jul 09
long live the Saints.
we will get out of this i guarantee.
sw: rise link. !!!
saint_luke
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9:03am Wed 1 Jul 09
Gingothesaint
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9:04am Wed 1 Jul 09
Cheapshot wrote:I think we have managed to assertain now that this Steed character is a bit of an Anal dwelling butt monkey. I dont expect to see him in the ''Red Bull'' Northam ''Energy Drink'' stand next season!!
thenoblesteed wrote: MLT Le God more like Le JudasT#AT!!!
Lmao
Jannersaint
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9:04am Wed 1 Jul 09
The club will be bought and I've got to say I'm more optimistic about a purchase by a good business mind that takes their time than someone that goes on sky sports self pulicising and making assurances!
SW is from-fire¬! just like the Pheonix our club is.
saint_luke
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9:05am Wed 1 Jul 09
Gingothesaint wrote:we got wings, we got wings, red bull gave us a pair of wings
Cheapshot wrote:I think we have managed to assertain now that this Steed character is a bit of an Anal dwelling butt monkey. I dont expect to see him in the ''Red Bull'' Northam ''Energy Drink'' stand next season!! Lmaothenoblesteed wrote: MLT Le God more like Le JudasT#AT!!!
The Grinch
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9:05am Wed 1 Jul 09
Thank you for trying to pull all this together Matt.
Lets hope for good news today, God knows we must be due some!
Northamboy
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9:07am Wed 1 Jul 09
derekrdelboy
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9:10am Wed 1 Jul 09
TGRWorzel
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9:12am Wed 1 Jul 09
StPete
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9:12am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:What a tit.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
mr tein
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9:16am Wed 1 Jul 09
At first I had no issue with this as I considered the fact they were putting up 500k they would not get back was proof of their intent. However it now seems to be suggested that this £500k didnt come from the the pinnacle backers but from leon crouch. therefore how could he "believe" the pinnacle group really had funds to persue this bid.
He is meant to be a professional and I would assume he would wnt more guarantees than Crouches cash to offer such an advantage to this group.
Sounds like bad judgement or incompatance to me.
And you'd be surpised what can be over heard in a gym in bournemouth, when nobody thinks saints fans are around...
chapellady
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9:17am Wed 1 Jul 09
derekrdelboy wrote:Thank you for your comment derekrdelboy. It is reassuring to know that we have some support from our 'friends' down the road. Other clubs will face a dilemma like us I am sure. We need to stick together.
Hi, as a supporter of our beloved Pompey, I want to assure all you Sints fans, however misguided you may be, that the majority of the Fratton faithful really want your club to survive.I mean that most sincerely. We feel for you, we really do.Here's hoping you manage to get something sorted so you have a club to support next season. At the end of the day we're all football fans, and we've had some great days out in the past at our games against each other, so someone please save the Saints.
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
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9:17am Wed 1 Jul 09
Major Sir Jerry Pending wrote:Tesco will buy Brighton as they all ready play in shirts that look like tesco carrier bags.
Any truth in the rumour that Tesco are interested? I might get a season ticket if I could get 500 clubcard points.
I can't be serious any more. I am maintaining my sanity by being flippant at every opportunity.
Gingothesaint
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9:18am Wed 1 Jul 09
chapellady wrote:Hear here,
derekrdelboy wrote: Hi, as a supporter of our beloved Pompey, I want to assure all you Sints fans, however misguided you may be, that the majority of the Fratton faithful really want your club to survive.I mean that most sincerely. We feel for you, we really do.Here's hoping you manage to get something sorted so you have a club to support next season. At the end of the day we're all football fans, and we've had some great days out in the past at our games against each other, so someone please save the Saints.Thank you for your comment derekrdelboy. It is reassuring to know that we have some support from our 'friends' down the road. Other clubs will face a dilemma like us I am sure. We need to stick together.
I can assure you Derek living in Gosport myself that, not all Portsmouth Supporters share your view, but sitll nice to hear
Northamer
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9:19am Wed 1 Jul 09
Northamboy wrote:Totally agree, surely no one can doubt that Matt's intentions were good & all credit to him for having a go! hope he still gets a chance to be involved with any new owners too!
MLT is just a guy that loves SFC. He tried and was probably taken in by others. Give him a break and forget it. He should not be tarnished by others actions or non actions imo
saint_luke
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9:21am Wed 1 Jul 09
Northamer wrote:Thing is there has been people on here today slating MLT
Northamboy wrote: MLT is just a guy that loves SFC. He tried and was probably taken in by others. Give him a break and forget it. He should not be tarnished by others actions or non actions imoTotally agree, surely no one can doubt that Matt's intentions were good & all credit to him for having a go! hope he still gets a chance to be involved with any new owners too!
Gingothesaint
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9:21am Wed 1 Jul 09
Ray the Don wrote:lol what a Window Licker,
Skate dont insult me you muppet. And I am not your Son.
I bet you need the 'special bus' to get to work dont you Don!
mrmenontour
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9:25am Wed 1 Jul 09
Northamer
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9:31am Wed 1 Jul 09
Northamer wrote:UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Northamboy wrote: MLT is just a guy that loves SFC. He tried and was probably taken in by others. Give him a break and forget it. He should not be tarnished by others actions or non actions imoTotally agree, surely no one can doubt that Matt's intentions were good & all credit to him for having a go! hope he still gets a chance to be involved with any new owners too!
Bitterne Park Tim
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9:33am Wed 1 Jul 09
ML does mention in his interview that in removing themselves from the table it opens the door more fairly to other bidders.....
It just might be that the other bids could not be matched by Pennicle of Jackarson.... and all is possibly looking rosey....
Not too worried about Surman being linked with a Transfer, but it is a real shame to see Kelvin go, he would be a mssive assett in League One, it would be great if he could hold out on a decision untill nxt monday.
Saintimbo
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9:34am Wed 1 Jul 09
If we do survive I still think he will play a part in the club as it would make good business snese as well as a football one.
Saint_John
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9:36am Wed 1 Jul 09
The last few days have shown the problems that has generated, but he saw that as his only hope of regaining control.
Remember you are dealing with the man with one of the biggest EGOs in the world here, who would take -25 every season just to stay in control.
THOUSANDS WILL stay away next season if he returns (we might even get as lowe as the Skates with 2,731 in Sept 2000) and it unlikely that NU / Barclays would see any of the "add-ons" (payments for a return to higher leagues etc.).
Therefore the ONLY solution is for NU/Barclays or Fry (or poss Leon) to take the FL to the HIGH COURT.
(The creditors will only get a fraction of their money with a -27 point penalty).
Company No 00053301 is NOT in Admin and therefore CANNOT obtain a CVA. It has been trading for the last 8+ weeks on its own etc (just).
The FL would almost certainly lose in the High Court and then get sued for millions.
It is NU/Barclays that should be putting pressure on the FL, because they will lose MILLIONS by the FL imposing a -27 point start (no CVA). With the threat of legal action from NU/Barclays I am sure the FL will agree to only a -10 start.
Northamer
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9:36am Wed 1 Jul 09
saint_luke wrote:UNBELIEVABLE!!! hope this goes in the right quote this time,ha ha
Northamer wrote:Thing is there has been people on here today slating MLTNorthamboy wrote: MLT is just a guy that loves SFC. He tried and was probably taken in by others. Give him a break and forget it. He should not be tarnished by others actions or non actions imoTotally agree, surely no one can doubt that Matt's intentions were good & all credit to him for having a go! hope he still gets a chance to be involved with any new owners too!
East End Saint
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9:36am Wed 1 Jul 09
Whatever you may think, sites like this show the public the views and the mindset of the fanbase of Southampton FC. It would be in everybody's best interest at this time to show the world that we are SUPPORTERS, that new owners will not only get the benefit of our great club and all its top class facilities, but will also enjoy the full support of its fans. It would be good if our supporters could be seen as part of the attraction of the club, rather than a group that needs to be constantly appeased. Remember that these people didn't get into a position where they could potentially buy a football club by being idiots!
upthe
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9:39am Wed 1 Jul 09
miltonarchers
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9:39am Wed 1 Jul 09
Burton Saint wrote:I take it from your comment that you dont attach any blame whatsoever to the "fans" who objected to the return of Hoddle?
thenoblesteed wrote: MLT Le God more like Le JudasMLT has been a victim of this charade not the perpetrator. The true story why Pinnacle walked will probably never be in the public domain and certainly not released on this site. Never lose sight of the fact that the demise of SLH/SFC is solely down to previous management. Lowe, followed by Wilde, followed by Lowe. MLT deserves credit, naive though he may have been, not criticism for what was attempted.
mentazm1974
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9:40am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:you ****! he saved our backside many seasons we would have been playing div 2/ league 1 years ago if it was not for him. He could of left the club many times for a lot more money but he stuck with the club he loves. which is very rare!!! how dare you call him a judas. go blow a goat. A-HOLE
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
avidsaint
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9:41am Wed 1 Jul 09
SaintPaul
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9:42am Wed 1 Jul 09
It's not very tempting for a new buyer is it? My guess is Pinnacle were told by the FL that further penalties may be likely, they then went back to Mark Fry to try and renegotiate the agreed price on the basis of the risk of further deductions, Fry said no and that was the deal breaker.
Linesman
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9:45am Wed 1 Jul 09
jhp767903 wrote:There are also vultures that live off of corpses. They just pick the bones clean and leave the bare bones.
The law of the jungle says twait until your prey is at its mot vulnerable and then strike! We all know that we have had hundreds of false dawns, but not lets "trash" any lingering hope we have of a saviour coming in. Could I ask that The Echo now remove Mr Lynam from this site, unless they expect him to reappeare in the scenario? "doze-town"!!!!!!
I hope that there is a recovery and not a corpse, but if I were a bookie, I would not be offering odds!
JimmyLondon
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9:45am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:You are clearly a simpleton...Le Tiss has and always will have the best interests of saints at heart. i would imagine he is just as devistated as the rest of us. NOw get back in your box and refraim from silly childish comments.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
kinkyboots70
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9:49am Wed 1 Jul 09
MrMarc
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9:50am Wed 1 Jul 09
San Marco
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9:50am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:Matt was relaying to us in good faith info that he was being given (probably largely true of Lynam too) - he wasn't making decisions or deceiving us, let alone betraying us (which is after all the implication of 'Judas').
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
By the way: WHERE IS ALL THIS 25 POINT PENALTY STUFF COMING FROM???? It is making me VERY ANXIOUS
suttonsaint
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9:53am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:This noble steed needs castrating. One mistake by Le God and he gets hammered. Lets face it mate... were you a mistake originating from some drunken night?
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
MLT saved us many times and if it hadn't been for his loyalty, we would have sunk much sooner.
We are in very difficult times, but how many clubs over the years have sunk without a trace? We all want new owners.
kinkyboots70
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9:56am Wed 1 Jul 09
SaintPaul
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9:57am Wed 1 Jul 09
saint-barnard
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9:59am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:what an absolute timmy! How thick can you get! How many times has he saved us in the last minutes of the last game of the season in the past? Now he has tried his damdest to do a bit in helping the club, and the people with the money have pulled out! Is that MLT's fault!????? Think about it you stupid uneducated inbacile!
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
St.Yorkie
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10:01am Wed 1 Jul 09
kinkyboots70 wrote:Good on you kinkyboots - getting the new owners hopes up of a full house against Millwall - even SKY were going to be there too!
i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girl
FANtastic work...let's just hope the Swiss bid is not like their cheese - full of holes?
parthian
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10:14am Wed 1 Jul 09
Le Tiss should stick to playing golf - he's nol businessman.
kinkyboots70
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10:14am Wed 1 Jul 09
St.Yorkie wrote:i also said at that time they would complete in 10 days.....it transpires that the "other issues" was pinnicle couldnt prove funding read into that what you like as ive had certain posts deleted by the echo
kinkyboots70 wrote: i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girlGood on you kinkyboots - getting the new owners hopes up of a full house against Millwall - even SKY were going to be there too! FANtastic work...let's just hope the Swiss bid is not like their cheese - full of holes?
Measaint
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10:14am Wed 1 Jul 09
Fingers crossed (again)
forever a saint
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10:14am Wed 1 Jul 09
C O Y R
Chandlers Ford Saints
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10:17am Wed 1 Jul 09
kinkyboots70
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10:19am Wed 1 Jul 09
Chandlers Ford Saints wrote:i think you should have kept that thought to yourself..very silly statement
For some reason i want Saints to die on friday so we can start all over again :)
saint_luke
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10:20am Wed 1 Jul 09
Saintimbo
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10:23am Wed 1 Jul 09
parthian wrote:Greedy fool? yes.. I remember, he moved to a fashionable London club to earn another 5 grand a week.
Le Tiss was a greedy fool. That's all. He's now admitted he didn't know anything about the money. He recommended this bunch of numpties on the advuice of a friend. They agreed to pay him a fat whack to be Chairman and that was good enough for him. He allowed these clueless idiots to use his glorious reputation to make their half-arsed bid look good. But it was just a red and white veneer on a financial turd. Le Tiss should stick to playing golf - he's nol businessman.
MLT is not a businessman, he's an ex footballer with a massive insight into SFC having lived and breathed the club for over 20 years.
He would be good business for the club if we was involved, I like many Saints fans would welcome an SFC chaired by MLT.
Cheapshot
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10:25am Wed 1 Jul 09
Chandlers Ford Saints wrote:What!!??
For some reason i want Saints to die on friday so we can start all over again :)
Probably a skate....
FaceonaBus
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10:26am Wed 1 Jul 09
derekrdelboy wrote:I am stunned. Your posting actually proves that there are some real people in THAT town.
Hi, as a supporter of our beloved Pompey, I want to assure all you Sints fans, however misguided you may be, that the majority of the Fratton faithful really want your club to survive.I mean that most sincerely. We feel for you, we really do.Here's hoping you manage to get something sorted so you have a club to support next season. At the end of the day we're all football fans, and we've had some great days out in the past at our games against each other, so someone please save the Saints.
Many thanks for your comments, and may we have many derby games between us to come.
weh8pompey
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10:26am Wed 1 Jul 09
buffalosoldier
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10:27am Wed 1 Jul 09
Ozmosis wrote:does that mean that the next champion nof wimbledon will officially NOT be "british"?
St.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.St.Stubb wrote: "I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think." Indeed - I remember him saying he was going to support the teams playing against England in the last World Cup. So, like you, I won't be cheering him on!
thats good, as we are tired of the little englanders claiming anyone scottish thats good as suddenly "british"
so a scot wins wimbledon...absolute classic....
oh i forgot you did have Tim "not quite good enough" henman, and a canadian bloke.
Tirau Dan (NZL)
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10:38am Wed 1 Jul 09
Lets remain sensibly optimistic.
sw -long-wait
SaintHarry
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10:39am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade
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10:40am Wed 1 Jul 09
kinkyboots70 wrote:Exactly why Pinnacle pulled out even the big eared simpleton fialka couldnt face seeing your saggy **** and witch tits running over the 18 yard box, kelvin thought he'd pulled the short straw having been instructed to grab you, what with him being the only one on with gloves on and promptly left for the hammers!
i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girl
Jesus_02
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10:41am Wed 1 Jul 09
Seriously, he was a good manager for saints at the time and he dropped us like a stone. Have some dignity
sw = drug-pass (wtf!)
sarumsaint
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10:47am Wed 1 Jul 09
Snuggle saint wrote:yep, I'm definitely not going to look at this site today...er...oh bu88er.
Not going to look at this site all day today....am fed up with F5 and to crap news
going to cheer on Andy Murray....hope our bad luck does not rub off on him
Come on you potential foreign owners!!!
Bitterne Park Tim
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10:50am Wed 1 Jul 09
Bring Back The Dell
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10:51am Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:We all really shouldn`t reply to comments like this. This piece of filth is only posting on here to heap more upset of misery on all of us Saints fanatics. If we keep replying to him he wins. Anyone who has met MLT and/or seen him play for Saints over the years knows that he only had the good of our football club at heart.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
jono1974
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10:52am Wed 1 Jul 09
St.Stubb wrote:I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all
I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.
us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
saintsfan25
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10:53am Wed 1 Jul 09
(www.Saintsfc.co.uk)
SW cell-sell
Bitterne Park Tim
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10:54am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade
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10:56am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974 wrote:you lot really are the pits thinking everyone is against you and whingeing how hard done by you are, end of the day you (collectively) decided not to turn up to saints games and support your team, your not a big team so as you go lower through the leagues the only real thing you have is a decent stadium. You think the FL, Portsmouth fans etc are all aginst you and now even started on about some Scot who probably doesn't give a toss what you think as he is earning a fortune playing at a glamorous venue with the cameras on him. Enjoy the Wessex league you fans deserve it
St.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
kinkyboots70
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10:59am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:i think your a bloater blower..has your bloke fialka dumped you and moved back with mummy you said old balding steam queen
kinkyboots70 wrote: i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girlExactly why Pinnacle pulled out even the big eared simpleton fialka couldnt face seeing your saggy **** and witch tits running over the 18 yard box, kelvin thought he'd pulled the short straw having been instructed to grab you, what with him being the only one on with gloves on and promptly left for the hammers!
St.Yorkie
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11:03am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:John
jono1974 wrote:you lot really are the pits thinking everyone is against you and whingeing how hard done by you are, end of the day you (collectively) decided not to turn up to saints games and support your team, your not a big team so as you go lower through the leagues the only real thing you have is a decent stadium. You think the FL, Portsmouth fans etc are all aginst you and now even started on about some Scot who probably doesn't give a toss what you think as he is earning a fortune playing at a glamorous venue with the cameras on him. Enjoy the Wessex league you fans deserve itSt.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
You are probably right - we've all got what we deserved, especially me. I boycotted SMS once Lowe returned. I could not put any more money into the pot for him to waste. Seems my poultry few quid was the straw that broke the camels back.
In buisness if you don't balance the books you fold - looks like this business is f**ked!
GARY1976
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11:04am Wed 1 Jul 09
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:AND?
Guess what... I actually got a response from the Football league to the email that I sent questioning why they would not let Pinnacle appeal the 10 points! 11 days after sending it.. but atleast it was a response!
Saintimbo
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11:04am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974
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11:05am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:Get over your self, the pits where did you get that from john mcEnroe. i dont feel hard done by, fact is are team has been hard done by. and as for supporting andy murray - no thanks.& most portsmouth fans are against us, & if we end up in the wessex league then so be it their is nothing i can do i dont have 30 million.
jono1974 wrote:you lot really are the pits thinking everyone is against you and whingeing how hard done by you are, end of the day you (collectively) decided not to turn up to saints games and support your team, your not a big team so as you go lower through the leagues the only real thing you have is a decent stadium. You think the FL, Portsmouth fans etc are all aginst you and now even started on about some Scot who probably doesn't give a toss what you think as he is earning a fortune playing at a glamorous venue with the cameras on him. Enjoy the Wessex league you fans deserve it
St.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
John Gillham
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11:08am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade
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11:09am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974 wrote:how has your team been hard done by? the low paid workers who havent been paid - yes i agree. The others i dont think so not at all, you didnt balance the books and got what you deserved
John Wade wrote:Get over your self, the pits where did you get that from john mcEnroe. i dont feel hard done by, fact is are team has been hard done by. and as for supporting andy murray - no thanks.& most portsmouth fans are against us, & if we end up in the wessex league then so be it their is nothing i can do i dont have 30 million.jono1974 wrote:you lot really are the pits thinking everyone is against you and whingeing how hard done by you are, end of the day you (collectively) decided not to turn up to saints games and support your team, your not a big team so as you go lower through the leagues the only real thing you have is a decent stadium. You think the FL, Portsmouth fans etc are all aginst you and now even started on about some Scot who probably doesn't give a toss what you think as he is earning a fortune playing at a glamorous venue with the cameras on him. Enjoy the Wessex league you fans deserve itSt.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
jono1974
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11:11am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:Does this mean i have to enjoy watching andy murray?
jono1974 wrote:how has your team been hard done by? the low paid workers who havent been paid - yes i agree. The others i dont think so not at all, you didnt balance the books and got what you deserved
John Wade wrote:Get over your self, the pits where did you get that from john mcEnroe. i dont feel hard done by, fact is are team has been hard done by. and as for supporting andy murray - no thanks.& most portsmouth fans are against us, & if we end up in the wessex league then so be it their is nothing i can do i dont have 30 million.jono1974 wrote:you lot really are the pits thinking everyone is against you and whingeing how hard done by you are, end of the day you (collectively) decided not to turn up to saints games and support your team, your not a big team so as you go lower through the leagues the only real thing you have is a decent stadium. You think the FL, Portsmouth fans etc are all aginst you and now even started on about some Scot who probably doesn't give a toss what you think as he is earning a fortune playing at a glamorous venue with the cameras on him. Enjoy the Wessex league you fans deserve itSt.Stubb wrote: I would only watch Andy Murray to see him lose. Like his view of any English sporting side. I would support any player at Wimbledon against him. Fair enough I think. As for the take over I have given up. I would like to say if they pulled out because a few supporters said bad things about Failka, then clearly owning a football club was not for them was it. All supporters are emotional not rational it is not that sort of thing is it.I agree supporting andy murray would be like supporting pompy. and your right about fialka to take charge of a football club you have to be thick skinned and be prepared to take the flack, after all us saints fans have had the **** taken out of us for years.
saint_luke
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11:11am Wed 1 Jul 09
eastleigh-ian
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11:14am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade
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11:16am Wed 1 Jul 09
The Titanic
The Premiership!
The Championship!
Bitterne Park Tim
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11:17am Wed 1 Jul 09
Basically you have 7 days to appeal against a points deduction... and that is it. I do not think that has been published anywhere! Allso the reason Derby did not get hit was because thier holding company went into administration before the rules came into place....
jono1974
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11:19am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
name three ships that have left southampton never to return.....
The Titanic
The Premiership!
The Championship!
saint_luke
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11:19am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:How long did it take you too think of that one and did you mother teach you it.
name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!
Lisalou1
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11:19am Wed 1 Jul 09
parthian wrote:Not far from the truth this....MLT won't do anything if there isn't a big fat fee involved. There is no doubting his loyalty to the club and he would be a revered figurehead to those that only see his footballing genius but MLT is far from god-like !
Le Tiss was a greedy fool. That's all. He's now admitted he didn't know anything about the money. He recommended this bunch of numpties on the advuice of a friend. They agreed to pay him a fat whack to be Chairman and that was good enough for him. He allowed these clueless idiots to use his glorious reputation to make their half-arsed bid look good. But it was just a red and white veneer on a financial turd.
Le Tiss should stick to playing golf - he's nol businessman.
The trouble with putting mortals on pedestals is that they tend fo fall off with a bloody great thud and then you realise they were only human after all.
tauntonsaint
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11:20am Wed 1 Jul 09
mrmenontour wrote:That's more like it Mr Men!
DEREK/DELBOY speak for yourself ya muppet. LET EM DIE! and the sooner the better.
Business as usual.
Conciliation? pah! - this is football, last resort of the tribal!
helltowatch
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11:22am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:Got any we haven't heard before?
name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!
It wasn't that long ago you were in a similar position.
WhatNext
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11:22am Wed 1 Jul 09
buffalosoldier
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11:24am Wed 1 Jul 09
Lisalou1 wrote:he didnt do his reputation any favours on TV last night still trotting out the line that "Other issues" with the league were the reason for no pinnacle deal.
parthian wrote: Le Tiss was a greedy fool. That's all. He's now admitted he didn't know anything about the money. He recommended this bunch of numpties on the advuice of a friend. They agreed to pay him a fat whack to be Chairman and that was good enough for him. He allowed these clueless idiots to use his glorious reputation to make their half-arsed bid look good. But it was just a red and white veneer on a financial turd. Le Tiss should stick to playing golf - he's nol businessman.Not far from the truth this....MLT won't do anything if there isn't a big fat fee involved. There is no doubting his loyalty to the club and he would be a revered figurehead to those that only see his footballing genius but MLT is far from god-like ! The trouble with putting mortals on pedestals is that they tend fo fall off with a bloody great thud and then you realise they were only human after all.
the fact is, and he knew it Pinnacle could not show the money and were relying on getting the points issue dropped so they could sell on quick and make a fast buck out of the misery being endured by saints fans.
and MLT was at the heart of it!
will he sleep easy if the club folds?
saintpeter48
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11:25am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade
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11:26am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!
John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
wings of a sparrow
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11:29am Wed 1 Jul 09
can take playin these waiting games anymore.......really hope that someone comes in, but i fear a mass exodus is on the cards and you cant really blame the players or staff for wanting to leave after this shambles
Saintimbo
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11:29am Wed 1 Jul 09
GARY1976
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11:31am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:Listen your entitled to your opinion , but why not go and to your pompey mates ans slag us off to them and not on here where we would like to discuss the future off our club and not read stupid comments from yourself
jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
southampton_till_i_die09
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11:32am Wed 1 Jul 09
skate hater
Patrick80's
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11:44am Wed 1 Jul 09
vent ?. In April we only went over the overdraft with barclays by a few hundred thousand pounds. The club must be seen as a going concern and why then are season tickets not being sold to raise the money required to keep the creditors at bay and a manager appointed to give the players the stability they need for the new season. it seems Mr Fry is hell bent on asset stripping with no alternative other than sell the club to new owners.
jono1974
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11:52am Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints?
jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!
John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.
John Wade
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11:55am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974 wrote:Surely you can do better then that Jono? My favorite past time is watching you losers get relegated (becoming a regular thing now) closely followed by watching your crappy little club crumble! and yes murray is a winner not that you would know anything about winners!
John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints? are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
John Wade
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11:56am Wed 1 Jul 09
jono1974 wrote:Surely you can do better then that Jono? My favorite past time is watching you losers get relegated (becoming a regular thing now) closely followed by watching your crappy little club crumble! and yes murray is a winner not that you would know anything about winners!
John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints? are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
gosportsaint
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12:11pm Wed 1 Jul 09
As someone who lives in the Portsmouth area, I must say that I have been surprised at the level of support for Southampton, genuine football supporters don't want any club to disappear.
It seems unlikely, but lets hope there is a miracle. But if there isn't then we must all get behind whatever is left and support them through the Conference at whatever ground we land up sharing.
realistic lover
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12:15pm Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:What do you call a man who sits at his computer all night with his trousers round his ankles...?
jono1974 wrote:Surely you can do better then that Jono? My favorite past time is watching you losers get relegated (becoming a regular thing now) closely followed by watching your crappy little club crumble! and yes murray is a winner not that you would know anything about winners!John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints? are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
John Wade.
wonder weasel
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12:21pm Wed 1 Jul 09
realistic lover wrote:what do you call a man who sits at a fish aquarium all night with his trousers round his ankles...?
John Wade wrote:What do you call a man who sits at his computer all night with his trousers round his ankles...?
jono1974 wrote:Surely you can do better then that Jono? My favorite past time is watching you losers get relegated (becoming a regular thing now) closely followed by watching your crappy little club crumble! and yes murray is a winner not that you would know anything about winners!John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints? are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
John Wade.
john wade
saintinsomerset
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12:22pm Wed 1 Jul 09
The Football League ruled that Pinnacle - which includes ex-Saints player Matt Le Tissier - must waive any right to appeal against a 10 point deduction after their parent company entered administration.
Pinnacle, who settled outstanding players' wages, in the region of £500,000 last week, saw its period of exclusivity as bidders end on 19 June without agreement being reached as the takeover bid stalled over the 10-point issue.
But property company boss Michael Fialka, 32, denied reports that the deal has collapsed. “It’s all up in the air at the moment,” he told me. “The reality is that there are a few issues with the Football League. We’ve had a bit of a standoff as we would only consider a deal if the penalty was 10 points rather than 15.
“I need confirmation. Once it goes through then everyone will be happy.”
Fialka revealed that, should the takeover go through, he would “end up with one third of the club and be the main director on a four-man board.”
this bloke aint the full shilling,think his mum should ground him and stop his pocket money
John Wade
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12:23pm Wed 1 Jul 09
realistic lover wrote:bless you joining up forces with your boyfriend, you scummers are a touchy lot!
John Wade wrote:What do you call a man who sits at his computer all night with his trousers round his ankles...? John Wade.jono1974 wrote:Surely you can do better then that Jono? My favorite past time is watching you losers get relegated (becoming a regular thing now) closely followed by watching your crappy little club crumble! and yes murray is a winner not that you would know anything about winners!John Wade wrote:You really dont have much to do do you. why are you on a forum discussing about saints? are you unemployed? on job seekers? no friends? no mrs? you like andy murray though dont you?? you like to touch yourself while watching him dont you, suits you sir.jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
Saintbob
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12:24pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Security word; club-less
surferdave
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12:27pm Wed 1 Jul 09
surferdave
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12:29pm Wed 1 Jul 09
SW11_Saint
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12:30pm Wed 1 Jul 09
FRY you have to get this done this time, no more prevarication...
southampton_till_i_die09
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12:34pm Wed 1 Jul 09
bring on the red bull
Captain Swing
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12:34pm Wed 1 Jul 09
"City Council in talks with Fry"
Fides
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12:38pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Stop it.
eastleigh-ian
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12:45pm Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:well you need all the fans you can get . your welcome to him , but i doubt his mum will let him buy a season ticket ,would you like rupert too ?
jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
SFC4lifetilidie
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12:57pm Wed 1 Jul 09
saintrooty
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1:05pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Dear Mr Root
Thank you for your email. Due to the volume of communications a standard response is necessary.
To clarify, the sporting sanction, i.e. points deduction has been made in accordance with League regulations, which are put in place by the clubs themselves – The League merely administers them. An appeal is allowed with a specified period.
When a club suffers an insolvency event, e.g. administration, their share in The League is liable to be withdrawn under the terms of our Articles of Association. In other words their membership comes to an end. However, because we are in the business of trying to keep clubs alive, the Board operates a policy within the provisions of the Articles which suspends the withdrawal of a club’s share in order to give them a second chance – this is entirely in keeping with the law of the land.
Recent arbitration proceedings confirm The Football League has the right to impose conditions on a company that sees to join The League in this way. These conditions reflect the need to protect the integrity of the competition by ensuring that no club should be able to gain an advantage over its rivals by not paying its debts. Owners of football clubs will change over time, but the ‘club’ remains the same. It is the club which secures a competitive advantage from wiping out debt through insolvency proceedings, and therefore, it is only right that it is the club, regardless as to the identity of the new owners, that is made subject to any conditions.
The League has a responsibility to ensure all League clubs start the season - we would also clarify that throughout our discussions no conditions other than a waiver in regard to sporting sanctions have ever been raised with us as a major issue.
Patricia Brown
Customer Service
The Football League
www.football-league.
co.uk
quite informative I feel and really proves that pinnacle were never really big players.
GARY1976
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1:05pm Wed 1 Jul 09
seedhouse
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1:32pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Aviva I guess as through the Norwich Union they already own the stadium! Maybe they can secure more money by keeping the club alive.
St Retford
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1:38pm Wed 1 Jul 09
seedhouse wrote:That's not a bad call, actually. If the stadium just gets handed back to them then what on earth would they do with it? There's no one else who can play there, so all they could do is pay to have it knocked down and turned into flats or commercial units they wouldn't be able to sell. It would also cost them next to nothing as most of the money the club owes is to them.
Who is this worldwide financial services group who have been monitoring events at SMS for sometime? Aviva I guess as through the Norwich Union they already own the stadium! Maybe they can secure more money by keeping the club alive.
If they buy the club then they would, of course, run it purely as a business venture with a very keen eye on the purse strings, probably hoping to sell it on as soon as the economy improves, but right now that would be good enough for me.
Montymontymonty
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1:52pm Wed 1 Jul 09
How do I know? I'm not sure, I just do.
Take heart good fellows.
PS as if to confirm my feelings on this matter, security word is "like-wood". An acorn into oak tree perhaps?
HillHead saint
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2:09pm Wed 1 Jul 09
stmarysmush, literally
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2:13pm Wed 1 Jul 09
wings of a sparrow
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2:21pm Wed 1 Jul 09
stmarysmush, literally
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2:24pm Wed 1 Jul 09
wings of a sparrow wrote:They should literally be raped by giraffes
is it just me or should the new comments be visible at the top of the page?
There's arguments both ways. Depends on what the board's for. This is mostly for comments, so it probably does make more sense your way round, but when it drifts into ongoing dialogs, they're easier to read the way they are
forcaster
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3:03pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Captain Swing
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3:12pm Wed 1 Jul 09
stmarysmush, literally wrote:You mean illiterately hilarious, surely?
This is, literally, hilarious
stmarysmush, literally
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3:16pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Captain Swing wrote:I literally don't
stmarysmush, literally wrote:You mean illiterately hilarious, surely?
This is, literally, hilarious
security word: list-wing
BrixtonSaint
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3:34pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Ray the Don
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3:36pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Ray the Don
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3:40pm Wed 1 Jul 09
london_saint
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3:44pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Season ticket sales will be less than last yr (not enought time to sell them)
the wages will drain the club (players + staff must be close to £1mil per month)
There is no income at the moment so there will be a big black hole in the finances.
I really think that Fry won't have given the full story but I hope they have deep enough pockets to make sure we have no problems going forward.
The club has to enter a CVA to survive and that needs to happen by friday otherwise we'll get hit with more problems.
peachy1
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3:49pm Wed 1 Jul 09
If you look at Cardiff and Stoke and Leicester city they have these trusts and they seem to have worked very well In improving relations and providing a part ownership of thier clubs.
IT IS YOUR CLUB support it
southcoastfootyfan
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4:14pm Wed 1 Jul 09
St Retford
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5:05pm Wed 1 Jul 09
southcoastfootyfan wrote:Since no one else has said it, I will: cheers!
As a massive AFCBournemouth fan i can understand what all you saints fans are going through, with the couple of years we have had. hopefully we are on a good footing now as i am sure you will soon be. I wish all the very best to all saints fans and the club itself, long may it prosper. it may sound strange coming from an AFCB fan but now is not the time for rivalry, i have always had half an eye ion what saints have been doing and always will. Good luck all for the season ahead.
northamsoul
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5:48pm Wed 1 Jul 09
thenoblesteed wrote:your a real D***H***
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
Go and do your homework...idiot.!!!
Saintimbo
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5:54pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Stafford Saint
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5:57pm Wed 1 Jul 09
I know there must be a deadline for the fixtures (Millwall need to know which direction to drive in!) but does anyone know the rules on this?
s/w know only, haha. I don't normally quote security word but thought I might this once because ignorance is common!
kski
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6:18pm Wed 1 Jul 09
london_saint wrote:LS
The problem is that if (and I hope it happens) we get bought - the new investor needs to realise a few things Season ticket sales will be less than last yr (not enought time to sell them) the wages will drain the club (players + staff must be close to £1mil per month) There is no income at the moment so there will be a big black hole in the finances. I really think that Fry won't have given the full story but I hope they have deep enough pockets to make sure we have no problems going forward. The club has to enter a CVA to survive and that needs to happen by friday otherwise we'll get hit with more problems.
according to the PFA the average salary for league 1 is £67k (2006), it has probably gone up - and gone down. Factor in a bonus say 20% and you have an average of £82k per annum. a squad wil be reduced to 25 and the wage bill is £2.2 million ( inc employers NI).
The question is how many other staff we have left that will have TuPe rights? from a high in 2006 of 240ish. Say we have another 25 staff on £35k the figures are still well under £1m - My guess is £250k to £300k. given the fixed costs of stadium interest and club admin debt etc are about £4m
We need to throttle the wages to about £2.5 m per annum.
From my understanding the club can trade in administration if it is solvent and the creditors agree.
Given the release of funds - player slaes this may buy us a bit of time - enough for due dilligence to be done properly .
london_saint
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6:29pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Stafford Saint wrote:The friday deadline has been created by FRY --- BUT the creditors will be looking for the cash soon --- HMRC seem to not like football at the moment and they can force the liquidation of the club with a winding up order.
Could some one please confirm what is the Friday deadline? This is regard to points punishments and the FL. Or are people just referring to Fry's more vague deadline of 'I will talk to directors about other options after Friday'? I know there must be a deadline for the fixtures (Millwall need to know which direction to drive in!) but does anyone know the rules on this? s/w know only, haha. I don't normally quote security word but thought I might this once because ignorance is common!
Stafford Saint
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6:46pm Wed 1 Jul 09
I have said already that we are probably better placed than other examples of administration in football to avoid the CVA infringements of the FL. HMRC debt is probably low. Player trading debt will be low and will be cleared from the McGoldrick and Surman sales (just like Dyer money went elsewhere before it came to us for this purpose).
Our main debt (in size) is stadium. Our main creditor, in terms of pee'd-off-ness (made up word!) is probably the bank.
What has not been explained well by the administrators, for the benefit of us fans, is whether the stadium debt HAS to be paid off in full or not to come out of admin.
I imagine that Barclays want their money (and probably to never touch us again!). All the time people are trying to haggle the stadium debt down for early repayment BUT Aviva might just want repayments because that is what mortgage companies want and not to accept losses (on paper). BUT on the other hand, do the creditors have the confidence that a new buyer could honour debts in the normal way through the trading profit of the club? Can Southampton have a trading profit again? Did the fickleness of the people of Southampton towards their club last season do us a dis-service to potential buyers who want to settle the small debts but carry on with the mortgage?
london_saint
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6:55pm Wed 1 Jul 09
kski wrote:Staff numbers circa 100 for grounds, mkting, finance, opps, + scouts and coaches etc. . .
london_saint wrote: The problem is that if (and I hope it happens) we get bought - the new investor needs to realise a few things Season ticket sales will be less than last yr (not enought time to sell them) the wages will drain the club (players + staff must be close to £1mil per month) There is no income at the moment so there will be a big black hole in the finances. I really think that Fry won't have given the full story but I hope they have deep enough pockets to make sure we have no problems going forward. The club has to enter a CVA to survive and that needs to happen by friday otherwise we'll get hit with more problems.LS according to the PFA the average salary for league 1 is £67k (2006), it has probably gone up - and gone down. Factor in a bonus say 20% and you have an average of £82k per annum. a squad wil be reduced to 25 and the wage bill is £2.2 million ( inc employers NI). The question is how many other staff we have left that will have TuPe rights? from a high in 2006 of 240ish. Say we have another 25 staff on £35k the figures are still well under £1m - My guess is £250k to £300k. given the fixed costs of stadium interest and club admin debt etc are about £4m We need to throttle the wages to about £2.5 m per annum. From my understanding the club can trade in administration if it is solvent and the creditors agree. Given the release of funds - player slaes this may buy us a bit of time - enough for due dilligence to be done properly .
The club can trade but HMRC stance seems to be that the clubs have to be up to date with payments etc otherwise tranfers cant happen see this from 12 June
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/sport1/hi/football
/8097770.stm
We do need to get it all under control but because this has been left so late there is a REAL danger of the falling through.
It's a fine tight rope we walk for the next few days
Captain Kirk
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7:25pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Captain Kirk
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7:33pm Wed 1 Jul 09
St Retford wrote:As a saints fan living nearer to Bournemouth than I do Southampton I always had half an eye of bournemouth scores too and also the goings on there. I suspect there are a lot of people that take an interest in both clubs
southcoastfootyfan wrote: As a massive AFCBournemouth fan i can understand what all you saints fans are going through, with the couple of years we have had. hopefully we are on a good footing now as i am sure you will soon be. I wish all the very best to all saints fans and the club itself, long may it prosper. it may sound strange coming from an AFCB fan but now is not the time for rivalry, i have always had half an eye ion what saints have been doing and always will. Good luck all for the season ahead.Since no one else has said it, I will: cheers!
Captain Kirk
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7:39pm Wed 1 Jul 09
kinkyboots70 wrote:Anyone got a fondu set? Kinky, have you and Yorkie got a thing going?
St.Yorkie wrote:i also said at that time they would complete in 10 days.....it transpires that the "other issues" was pinnicle couldnt prove funding read into that what you like as ive had certain posts deleted by the echokinkyboots70 wrote: i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girlGood on you kinkyboots - getting the new owners hopes up of a full house against Millwall - even SKY were going to be there too! FANtastic work...let's just hope the Swiss bid is not like their cheese - full of holes?
tarkimb
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8:02pm Wed 1 Jul 09
benkirk78
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8:10pm Wed 1 Jul 09
stinkyboots
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8:11pm Wed 1 Jul 09
John Wade wrote:LOL Brilliant!
kinkyboots70 wrote: i posted on here early last week that pinnicle would not complete and the swiss would.thats why i said i would do a streak on the pitch if pinnicle completed....im off to buy a heidi dvd for my little girlExactly why Pinnacle pulled out even the big eared simpleton fialka couldnt face seeing your saggy **** and witch tits running over the 18 yard box, kelvin thought he'd pulled the short straw having been instructed to grab you, what with him being the only one on with gloves on and promptly left for the hammers!
Come on, this is funny no matter who you support.
stinkyboots
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8:14pm Wed 1 Jul 09
eastleigh-ian wrote:Rupert's already on the firm, along with Harry and Le Tiss, they will always be welcome in Portsmouth and they know it.
John Wade wrote:well you need all the fans you can get . your welcome to him , but i doubt his mum will let him buy a season ticket ,would you like rupert too ?jono1974 wrote:and i give your team 2 more days!!! And Fialka is really a pompey fan!John Wade wrote: name three ships that have left southampton never to return..... The Titanic The Premiership! The Championship!I GIVE YOUR TEAM ONE MORE SEASON IN THE PREM. AND AS FOR YOUR TAKEOVER THATS AS REAL AS MICHAEL FIALKA.
Meeting Matty for a pint and a chuckle in a little while as it goes.
tarkimb
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8:31pm Wed 1 Jul 09
have contact in the council,they had a meeting yesterday, there is a chance that 10 of the 27 may be held over until next season
stoneham
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8:38pm Wed 1 Jul 09
threeezzy
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8:48pm Wed 1 Jul 09
tarkimb wrote:read the football league statement. they have said there will not be anymore points deducted. not now,not next season,not ever.
just heard that the reason Pinnacle pulled out is that Saints are going to start the season with a -27 point penalty due to not paying staff!!!! have contact in the council,they had a meeting yesterday, there is a chance that 10 of the 27 may be held over until next season
Saintan
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9:11pm Wed 1 Jul 09
threeezzy wrote:thank you threeezzy
tarkimb wrote:read the football league statement. they have said there will not be anymore points deducted. not now,not next season,not ever.
just heard that the reason Pinnacle pulled out is that Saints are going to start the season with a -27 point penalty due to not paying staff!!!! have contact in the council,they had a meeting yesterday, there is a chance that 10 of the 27 may be held over until next season
i wasnt sure but i thought I remembered a quote in a statement about no more points deductions - any chance of digging it out for us?
It's not that I don't believe you, it's just the FL seem like such a bunch of two-faced Bas**rds that it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to change their minds or forgot after a few glasses of port or something!
S Pance
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10:40pm Wed 1 Jul 09
I hope this is exactly that-a rumour.
I have also been told to expect an announcement tomorrow.
Anyone know any more?
Tirau Dan (NZL)
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12:00am Thu 2 Jul 09
It sounds very like the Swiss group are on track to make a take over in a business like fashion. They are still at the table and would have been well aware of any league penalties ages ago.
I'm really confident and am keenly interested in the coming football.
One thing about being so far away is having to rely on reports and everyone here reporting little bits between the lines.. it's fun but I wish I could be still riding my bike up to training watching and getting autographs.. It's still in the blood and I hope all the fans really get in behind Mark Wotte and hopefully the new owners at the end of the week.
Up the Saints
Southampton United Forever!
SaintsFC-George
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12:11am Thu 2 Jul 09
Snuggle saint wrote:would it matter... he is scottish...
Not going to look at this site all day today....am fed up with F5 and to crap news
going to cheer on Andy Murray....hope our bad luck does not rub off on him
SW = spot-gold
SaintsFC-George
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12:13am Thu 2 Jul 09
saint_luke wrote:yeah i agree with saint_luke
thenoblesteed wrote:Some people really are short sighted aint they. With out his goals years ago we would not have enjoyed all them top flight season.
MLT Le God more like Le Judas
chunkybutt
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12:33am Thu 2 Jul 09
we are doomed mr mainwaring.
MLT took his fee as he allways did for hanging around the goalmouth waiting for an opportunity, he was never a good player OR a good liar, he has taken his cut and run as allways.
sw USED_KING
get it! you have all been took for a ride but you just cant admit it.
chunkybutt
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1:09am Thu 2 Jul 09
new term in oxford english dictionary.THICK
I am Saint Paul
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1:23am Thu 2 Jul 09
6:46pm Wed 1 Jul 09
Did the fickleness of the people of Southampton towards their club last season do us a dis-service to potential buyers who want to settle the small debts but carry on with the mortgage?
Cheap, inaccurate, bitter shot!
Saints have a brilliant fan base and they have been loyal for years
through many downs and the occasional up.
Lowe Luvvies like you should have left the club with your master...how can you not see that support from people like you have placed the Saints in this predicament. I can remember many Lowe Luvvies on this very site who followed blindly and never once queried where the club was going.Even now many of you cannot see how mismanagement has put us in this mess.
Unbelievable!
Captain Kirk
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5:23am Thu 2 Jul 09
I am Saint Paul wrote:well said St Paul - Apart from anything else Wotte said it all on Sky Sports last night. Something about having so many managers over the last 10 years or so is probably why we are in this position. That is down to the Dark Lord.
Stafford Saint, Southampton says... 6:46pm Wed 1 Jul 09 Did the fickleness of the people of Southampton towards their club last season do us a dis-service to potential buyers who want to settle the small debts but carry on with the mortgage? Cheap, inaccurate, bitter shot! Saints have a brilliant fan base and they have been loyal for years through many downs and the occasional up. Lowe Luvvies like you should have left the club with your master...how can you not see that support from people like you have placed the Saints in this predicament. I can remember many Lowe Luvvies on this very site who followed blindly and never once queried where the club was going.Even now many of you cannot see how mismanagement has put us in this mess. Unbelievable!
Graham_AFCB
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8:17am Thu 2 Jul 09
The further deduction is only going to happen if less than 75% of creditors vote for the CVA. That is only going to happen if the revenue are owed a large enough proportion of the debt.
You should look at Leeds after their 15 point deduction. That is what you can achieve if Wotte gets the right players with League 1 experience in.
Best wishes and hope we get drawn together in the Johnstone's Paints trophy.
Red & White
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4:56pm Thu 2 Jul 09
Red & White
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Red & White
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4:56pm Thu 2 Jul 09
Allotmentman66
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5:43pm Thu 2 Jul 09
Mark Fry get your finger out and get it DONE.
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