Gillico prepared to pay £12.5m for Southampton Football Club (From Daily Echo)
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Gillico prepared to pay £12.5m for Southampton Football Club
4:28pm Friday 3rd July 2009 in
YET another bidder has joined the race for Saints.
Reports suggest that Yorkshire based firm Gillico are prepared to spend £12.5m on buying Southampton Football Club.
Gillico have not completed due diligence and it is firmly believed that the both the Swiss consortium and the Worldwide Financial group are still the two front runners.
Very little is known about Gillico, who appear to have only been formed the day Saints' parent company went into administration.
Administrator Mark Fry, said in a statement: "We currently are very confident that a sale will be achieved and that this process will be concluded very shortly.
"In relation to information regarding new interested parties, we are now in an unusual situation whereby we are receiving offers from a number of other parties very late in the day, but are committed to getting the transaction completed with our current buyer.
"We are pleased that the Directors of the Football Club were able to take action that has enabled the staff to be paid for last month and once again would like to thank the Club and its staff for their continued support and patience."
Comments(163)
Saints Mike
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4:31pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Rowester
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4:32pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Gingothesaint
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4:32pm Fri 3 Jul 09
ThorncombeSaint1976
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4:33pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Gingothesaint
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4:34pm Fri 3 Jul 09
ThorncombeSaint1976 wrote:we all new it was coming .........
And so begins another weekend of angst and internet rumours.......
Barcelona Saint
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4:34pm Fri 3 Jul 09
saintstoney
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4:36pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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4:36pm Fri 3 Jul 09
I didn't know about them
So we have
A. Pinnacle
B. Swiss/Austrians
C. Gallico (Lowe)
D. Marc Jackson
E. Worldwide Financial group
yet none of them can get their act together to stagger cross the finish line.
Reminds me of the end of the Monty Python Sketch 'upper class twit of the year'
Rowester
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4:37pm Fri 3 Jul 09
SaintHarry
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4:37pm Fri 3 Jul 09
brennothornhill
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4:38pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Captain Swing
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4:38pm Fri 3 Jul 09
seedhouse
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4:38pm Fri 3 Jul 09
jeremybeadle
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4:38pm Fri 3 Jul 09
saintstoney
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4:39pm Fri 3 Jul 09
jeremybeadle
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4:39pm Fri 3 Jul 09
brennothornhill wrote:i wouldnt put it past him
I dont beleive it is lowe, not even he would be that stupid.
kinkyboots
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4:40pm Fri 3 Jul 09
saintstoney
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4:41pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Gingothesaint
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4:42pm Fri 3 Jul 09
sw burn-mark
(In ears!)
Paul the Parrot
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4:43pm Fri 3 Jul 09
townhill saint69
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4:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rejw3asef in others words had enough of this s5it
Alicesdad
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4:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Maybe it's an anagram of "aliens from alpha centauri are taking us over and will vapourize all earthlings that attend the first match" ... er um perhaps not.. too many letters.
So come on then .. where are all the fake insiders who know everything about Gillico ...
I can tell you as FACT that the bloke who sits next to me at work is married to someone who lived near my mother when I was a boy and she has definitely never heard of Gillico but did have a friend called Gillian, so therefore Lowe must be involved... or not.
I'm going to miss this on line drivel when it's all over.
LeopardsSpots
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4:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
southampton_till_i_die09
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4:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
i don't think Lowe is allowed to have any involvment within the club.
Cork_Saint
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4:47pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Formed 1st April, 2009. Business: Unknown.
Well I'm bLOWEd!
london_saint
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4:47pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Richard Martin Williams
he's also a director of
Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with
James Kaye
Nicolas Morgan
Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director)
Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director)
all based in Bradford
stoney79
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4:47pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing
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4:48pm Fri 3 Jul 09
sw blah-blah
Alicesdad
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4:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing wrote:At last someone who sees a clear picture in all the fog.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah b o l l o x sw blah-blah
rickyroyl
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4:52pm Fri 3 Jul 09
brennothornhill
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4:52pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad wrote:agreed
Sholing wrote: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah b o l l o x sw blah-blahAt last someone who sees a clear picture in all the fog.
Pindar
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4:53pm Fri 3 Jul 09
w1lkins822
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4:53pm Fri 3 Jul 09
NOOOOOOOOOW
Alicesdad
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4:55pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Pindar wrote:Thank you M'lud but starting to quote common sense on this website isn't going to make you any friends. What were you thinking !!!
Keep the faith, don't get distracted by mere sideshows. Patience is a virtue and the wait will bring rewards.
Alicesdad
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4:58pm Fri 3 Jul 09
london_saint wrote:Stop that right now !! Any more attempts to publish verifiable facts on this website will be punished by the immediate removal of your posting rights.
Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in Bradford
Rowester
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4:59pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing
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4:59pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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5:00pm Fri 3 Jul 09
I hope we don't get dusty bin
Captain Swing
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5:00pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad wrote:The word you are looking for here is acronym.
You have to laugh! The fact that Gillico rhymes with Lowe made me laugh out loud. But in fairness it's about as logical as everything else that people are coming out with. ;-) Maybe it's an anagram of "aliens from alpha centauri are taking us over and will vapourize all earthlings that attend the first match" ... er um perhaps not.. too many letters. So come on then .. where are all the fake insiders who know everything about Gillico ... I can tell you as FACT that the bloke who sits next to me at work is married to someone who lived near my mother when I was a boy and she has definitely never heard of Gillico but did have a friend called Gillian, so therefore Lowe must be involved... or not. I'm going to miss this on line drivel when it's all over.
And Gillico obviously isn't an acronym any more than it is an anagram - unless it's in the language of small (or large) green homocidal aliens from Alpha Centauri of course.
SW: free-head - which raises the question: where?
london_saint
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5:03pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad wrote:I know I'm terrible - I'll never make a journo publishing facts that are true and publicly avalible on the companies house website......
london_saint wrote: Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in BradfordStop that right now !! Any more attempts to publish verifiable facts on this website will be punished by the immediate removal of your posting rights.
oxfordsaint1973
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5:03pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad wrote:Alice's dad - not sure if you are being sarcastic or just bolshy - whatever it is this data is obtainable by any muppet with half a brain cell and a computer.
london_saint wrote: Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in BradfordStop that right now !! Any more attempts to publish verifiable facts on this website will be punished by the immediate removal of your posting rights.
Jesus_02
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Pinnacle will complete, kicky will have to sreak and Saints will be in Europe with 3 years!!
ART
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ross96
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
london_saint wrote:How rich is he???
Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in Bradford
sec word no-hope
benkirk78
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad
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5:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
As a passing question can someone with some knowledge of how this all works explain to me how this club can be bought for £12.5 million ? The mortgagors of the ground will obviously take a hit along with all the other creditors but I'm sure I'm not alone in trying to understand how this price is calculated and justified.
There !! A proper question before logging off and catching a train home. See y'all next week.
born1990
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5:06pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supermac
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5:09pm Fri 3 Jul 09
london_saint
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5:09pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ross96 wrote:can't tell how rich as there is nothing in the companies - all new
london_saint wrote: Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in BradfordHow rich is he??? sec word no-hope
But he paid 153,000 for his house in Bradford in 2002
Ken Hutchinson
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5:09pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl
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5:10pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad
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5:10pm Fri 3 Jul 09
oxfordsaint1973 wrote:Sarcastic, not bolshy, and yes.... you are right, any muppet can get this info ... that was my point.
Alicesdad wrote:Alice's dad - not sure if you are being sarcastic or just bolshy - whatever it is this data is obtainable by any muppet with half a brain cell and a computer.london_saint wrote: Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in BradfordStop that right now !! Any more attempts to publish verifiable facts on this website will be punished by the immediate removal of your posting rights.
Makes you wonder how you beat the echo to it doesn't it?
e_z_tiger
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5:11pm Fri 3 Jul 09
stmalcolm
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5:12pm Fri 3 Jul 09
o.uk/h/Sport/Footbal
l/League+One/Southam
pton
you get all the newsfeeds on saints, it automatically updates and you even find out where the echo gets its info from !!!
london_saint
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5:12pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Alicesdad wrote:i think they (ehco) get info out quickly then maybe check it out more a - la Fialka
oxfordsaint1973 wrote:Sarcastic, not bolshy, and yes.... you are right, any muppet can get this info ... that was my point. Makes you wonder how you beat the echo to it doesn't it?Alicesdad wrote:Alice's dad - not sure if you are being sarcastic or just bolshy - whatever it is this data is obtainable by any muppet with half a brain cell and a computer.london_saint wrote: Gilco's director is a guy called Richard Martin Williams he's also a director of Abercrombie Fitch & Wild Ltd along with James Kaye Nicolas Morgan Storm Bluetooth Marketing Ltd. (sole director) Matrix Integrated Financial Solutions Ltd.(sole Director) all based in BradfordStop that right now !! Any more attempts to publish verifiable facts on this website will be punished by the immediate removal of your posting rights.
Sholing
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5:12pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing wrote:She just put the salt and pepper along witha can of Strongbow, so the waiting is nearly over. yum yum
My girlfriend is cookint toad-in-the-hole, i think she is doing sweet-corn and onion gravy too. Cant wait
wraggster
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5:13pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Illogic lol.
Saints since '57
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5:15pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Tell them thanks but no thanks to these and pinacle and give the Swiss and the other bunch a clear run in!
SW = deal-sure Its an omen!
Saint Andrew Scotland
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5:16pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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5:16pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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5:18pm Fri 3 Jul 09
wraggster wrote:Leonard Nimoy?
Gillico Illogic lol.
It would tie in with the Alpha Centauri theory!
s/w firm-fear.....oh dear
dapper
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5:20pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Rowester wrote:rowester you seem to be obsessed with the k**b that is rupert he cant get involved can he?
Very Suspect! Rupert comes to mind
mastershot100
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5:20pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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5:22pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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5:23pm Fri 3 Jul 09
mastershot100 wrote:is she singing oh when the saints
Can anybody hear the fat lady singing?
aliscan66
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5:23pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints wrote:i heard that too, thought i was hearing things, jesus christ lets hope this is it..we can a real chilled weekend and get ourselves to eastleigh tomorro to celebrate!!
ssn just said swiss look ready to complete deal very shortly
wraggster
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5:24pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Saint Andrew Scotland wrote:Have just read this sounds more promising now
Fry has said on the saints web site he's going with the current buyer
supersaints
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5:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
aliscan66 wrote:ill be there sw-away-draw
supersaints wrote: ssn just said swiss look ready to complete deal very shortlyi heard that too, thought i was hearing things, jesus christ lets hope this is it..we can a real chilled weekend and get ourselves to eastleigh tomorro to celebrate!!
Pindar
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5:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sholing
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5:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
The Exiled Saint
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5:27pm Fri 3 Jul 09
They're already selling Christmas cards in the village post office, but no one said anything about the pantomime season starting this early.
Many think its Rupert in disguise!
Nah! Not even Rupert’s that daft!
Then again, say it is, say he ticks all the boxes and the others are all men of straw; what then?
A wholly Lowe-owned (not just Chairman) Southampton or no club at all?
Get Thee Behind Me, Satan!! :-)
saint tom
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5:28pm Fri 3 Jul 09
sw = deep turn
Rocket 1
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5:29pm Fri 3 Jul 09
financial. S(W)iss Austrians Pinanacl(E) This spells out disaster R.Lowe
rickyroyl
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5:41pm Fri 3 Jul 09
SW mark-pick
yes he does ;)
wraggster
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5:43pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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5:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
wraggster wrote:what?..is he bringing Egil Ostenstadt with him?
According to bbc website Jo Tessem is back for a trial next week
Ken Hutchinson
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5:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
aliscan66 wrote:Apparently the chant from Eastleigh is: "you're just a small club near Eastleigh, small club near Eastleigh.."
supersaints wrote: ssn just said swiss look ready to complete deal very shortlyi heard that too, thought i was hearing things, jesus christ lets hope this is it..we can a real chilled weekend and get ourselves to eastleigh tomorro to celebrate!!
red shield
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5:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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5:48pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ken Hutchinson wrote:cant wait the banter has already started god ive missed it
aliscan66 wrote:Apparently the chant from Eastleigh is: "you're just a small club near Eastleigh, small club near Eastleigh.."supersaints wrote: ssn just said swiss look ready to complete deal very shortlyi heard that too, thought i was hearing things, jesus christ lets hope this is it..we can a real chilled weekend and get ourselves to eastleigh tomorro to celebrate!!
jeremybeadle
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5:50pm Fri 3 Jul 09
e_z_tiger wrote:ballbag
You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.
supersaints
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5:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
jeremybeadle wrote:110% agree well said
e_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.ballbag
Tye-Dye
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5:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Please Mr Fry, just get this sorted, we are all beyond the limit of human mental endurance!
sw=wine-wait.....to late, I am already on my 6th vineyard :)
Sholing
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5:53pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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5:56pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Neilsaintsfan
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6:01pm Fri 3 Jul 09
SaintHarry wrote:If it is Lowe, this is where the FL has it all wrong.
Im going on holiday for a week starting monday, really hope this is over before then but i have doubts!
Low and the board at the time took us into admin.
They are gone, but we have a 10 point deduction.... would it not have been better all round to ban everyone on that board from being a member of any football club owner or board for say the next 10 years!
Saint Andrew Scotland
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6:01pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice wrote:I think I heard someone at the back of the echo office say they were the Toblerone Group
If it is the swiss that are to become the new owners, anyone know how the wealthy industrialist is supposedly behind it all?
Neilsaintsfan
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6:02pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Fairscup
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6:03pm Fri 3 Jul 09
mr tein
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6:06pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice wrote:F. Mr Tein's Gran
"Worldwide Financial group" I didn't know about them So we have A. Pinnacle B. Swiss/Austrians C. Gallico (Lowe) D. Marc Jackson E. Worldwide Financial group yet none of them can get their act together to stagger cross the finish line. Reminds me of the end of the Monty Python Sketch 'upper class twit of the year'
bagpuss1961
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6:10pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds)
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6:13pm Fri 3 Jul 09
League One Southampton
by SRBShares (U13686706) 03 July 2009
Not the biggest news on the south but Jo Tessem is set to return for a trial next week at Staplewood!! Could we be set to sign the former players of the glory days.
what next anders svennson,
rickyroyl
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6:15pm Fri 3 Jul 09
red shield
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6:18pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl
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6:23pm Fri 3 Jul 09
red shield wrote:what?
guten nacht meine neue freund
HarvSFC
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6:24pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds) wrote:Marian Pahars ;) if only he came back
Just seen this on bbc 606 website.Jo Tessem returning
League One Southampton
by SRBShares (U13686706) 03 July 2009
Not the biggest news on the south but Jo Tessem is set to return for a trial next week at Staplewood!! Could we be set to sign the former players of the glory days.
what next anders svennson,
kinkyboots
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6:24pm Fri 3 Jul 09
wraggster
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6:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl wrote:He's not coming back for a trial is he?
jelle van-damme
Saint Anders
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6:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl
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6:28pm Fri 3 Jul 09
MrMarc
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6:40pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds)
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6:42pm Fri 3 Jul 09
HarvSFC wrote:I wish,poor guy was in tears when he left us,he was playing in Cyprus,not sure where he is now.
Glenn(Leeds) wrote: Just seen this on bbc 606 website.Jo Tessem returning League One Southampton by SRBShares (U13686706) 03 July 2009 Not the biggest news on the south but Jo Tessem is set to return for a trial next week at Staplewood!! Could we be set to sign the former players of the glory days. what next anders svennson,Marian Pahars ;) if only he came back
kinkyboots
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6:43pm Fri 3 Jul 09
MrMarc wrote:i wwould like to wish gillingham all the best for next season
On the bright side my sisters neighbour is coming to us on trial.
rickyroyl
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6:44pm Fri 3 Jul 09
wraggster
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6:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
MrMarc wrote:come on then humour us?
On the bright side my sisters neighbour is coming to us on trial.
Glenn(Leeds)
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6:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl wrote:Matt le Tissier
chris marsden
Bitterne Park Tim
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6:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
kinkyboots wrote:How strange..... no one is listening....
listen you lot i told you 8 days ago the swiss will complete in 10 days .please dont think im ted "i know everything"rogers im right there was never gonna be a realistic bid from pinnacle because they knew they were using le god.marc jackson is a joke tho not a very funny one and this other bid is mark jackson again with his theory about his future plans...its all crap ...listen to me ...i may be a woman but im right..it will be done wednesday latest
is it down to being a wonmen? Or just talking pants..
mrssaint
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6:55pm Fri 3 Jul 09
If i win euromillions tonight I will be in the race :o)
rickyroyl
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6:57pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds)
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6:57pm Fri 3 Jul 09
mrssaint wrote:The sale of surman and Mcgoldrick has proved a source of income, so we can keep going for a few more weeks yet.
I thought it all had to be sorted either someone signs or the club folds ??? If i win euromillions tonight I will be in the race :o)
wraggster
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7:01pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Bitterne Park Tim wrote:well according to sky sports news as read by the lovely Georgie Thompson,god i hate Declan Donnelly, its too late in the day for gillico, and he is going with their current buyer which i pressume is the swiss consortium
kinkyboots wrote: listen you lot i told you 8 days ago the swiss will complete in 10 days .please dont think im ted "i know everything"rogers im right there was never gonna be a realistic bid from pinnacle because they knew they were using le god.marc jackson is a joke tho not a very funny one and this other bid is mark jackson again with his theory about his future plans...its all crap ...listen to me ...i may be a woman but im right..it will be done wednesday latestHow strange..... no one is listening.... is it down to being a wonmen? Or just talking pants..
Glenn(Leeds)
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7:02pm Fri 3 Jul 09
rickyroyl wrote:Hope its not the same as Newcastles away kit,its shocking.
whats going on with next seasons away kit?
Off on holiday tomorrow to ibiza,thats going to be fun sat on a beach relaxing (not),best leave laptop at home and stick to mobile updates.COYR
mrssaint
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7:03pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds) wrote:A few more weeks!!! my f5 button will be worn out by then !
mrssaint wrote: I thought it all had to be sorted either someone signs or the club folds ??? If i win euromillions tonight I will be in the race :o)The sale of surman and Mcgoldrick has proved a source of income, so we can keep going for a few more weeks yet.
Patrick80's
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7:07pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints wrote:I do think he has a point, it all went down hill after the dark one didnt back strachan after the FA Cup, 8th in the league and europe and the fans turned against Lowe for Good. If only the Dark One had allowed Strachan to buy an unknown player called berbetov for £3million !
jeremybeadle wrote:110% agree well saide_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.ballbag
e_z_tiger
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7:10pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints wrote:Ok then you two how do you explain the ridiculous difference between home and away form last year apart from the dire atmosphere at St Mary`s? I rest my case
jeremybeadle wrote:110% agree well saide_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.ballbag
FaceonaBus
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7:20pm Fri 3 Jul 09
london_saint
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7:25pm Fri 3 Jul 09
mrssaint wrote:£2mil from player sales - plus money saved by player leaving we could last a lot longer than a few weeks.
Glenn(Leeds) wrote:A few more weeks!!! my f5 button will be worn out by then !mrssaint wrote: I thought it all had to be sorted either someone signs or the club folds ??? If i win euromillions tonight I will be in the race :o)The sale of surman and Mcgoldrick has proved a source of income, so we can keep going for a few more weeks yet.
Ocean Village resident
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7:30pm Fri 3 Jul 09
e_z_tiger wrote:At long last. A voice of reason.
You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.
As a Cardiff fan I can only laugh at your plight I'm afraid. I went to every away game last season and your support was a complete joke.
Musicmaker09
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7:32pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Fides
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7:32pm Fri 3 Jul 09
e_z_tiger wrote:I agree but it's a pointless argument. The demonstrations, the lack of support for the team, the boycott were all designed to do one thing - as those who orchestrated it kept telling us - to drive the club into administration and get rid of Lowe.
supersaints wrote:Ok then you two how do you explain the ridiculous difference between home and away form last year apart from the dire atmosphere at St Mary`s? I rest my case
jeremybeadle wrote:110% agree well saide_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.ballbag
The advice that administration might either see the end of the club or the re-emergence of Lowe in a different guise was laughed aside.
Let's hope the new board (please, anyone), the manager and the team get a fraction of the support we used to in the old third division. And then the team might want to play again.
Fides
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7:39pm Fri 3 Jul 09
FaceonaBus wrote:Given that their last change of directorships was filed on 20 May 2009, seems a tad unlikely. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good rumour?
Apparently on June 5th Gallico got a new managing director. One mr rupert lowe. Still awaiting confirmation
Ocean Village resident
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7:43pm Fri 3 Jul 09
From Mr. Nicholas Komoh.
Attn:
My name is Mr. Nicholas Komoh, a banker here in Abidjan, Cote D' Ivoire. I want to transfer $10,500,000 USD belonging to (late) Mr John Hughes who was among the victims here during the political crisis here in the year 2005. You can provide a bank account of your choice for this amount and also the percentage you wish to take for your assistance.
If we agree on the terms, you shall hold the balance of the funds on trust after deducting your percentage, until I will be able to join you with my entire family for investment.
Reply for more details through this email:
Faithfully,
Mr. Nicholas Komoh.
MrMarc
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7:56pm Fri 3 Jul 09
wraggster wrote:Sister lives in Maidenhead, and her neighbour is x Reading skipper Greame Murty
MrMarc wrote: On the bright side my sisters neighbour is coming to us on trial.come on then humour us?
rickyroyl
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7:57pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ocean Village resident
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8:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pawnsacrifice
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8:07pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds) wrote:Oh dear God,just looked up the Newcastle away kit...it can't be yellow stripes can it?....ARRRGHH
rickyroyl wrote: whats going on with next seasons away kit?Hope its not the same as Newcastles away kit,its shocking. Off on holiday tomorrow to ibiza,thats going to be fun sat on a beach relaxing (not),best leave laptop at home and stick to mobile updates.COYR
Tirau Dan (NZL)
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8:07pm Fri 3 Jul 09
This is the best news we can get though at this stage.
Mark Fry is confident of an imminent sale but has plenty of back up options. That's great.
Saints sound secure. Players are returning with some confidence.
Mark Wotte sounds buoyant and positive with players returning.
I for one am getting really keen on the season ahead. Just can't wait to hear news of which of the two bidders at the table completes.
Who is the Swiss Group and we still know nothing of the second foreign consortium. Not a solitary word even from those that claim to be staff at St Marys that have constantly fed us inane rubbish throughout this process.
I don't mind because their confidentiality proves their professional business like manner which is the total opposite of the local bids which blew smoke in our faces and led to so much false hope.
Go for it Mark Fry and bidders.. if you get it done today (It's Saturday already here) you'll make my weekend and those boys on the field will want to give Eastleigh a good hiding..
Saints United.. UP UP UP
pawnsacrifice
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8:10pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ocean Village resident wrote:I went to you khazi of a ground several times to see several different teams and you inbreds managed to cause trouble everytime...
e_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.At long last. A voice of reason. As a Cardiff fan I can only laugh at your plight I'm afraid. I went to every away game last season and your support was a complete joke.
jandat44
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8:16pm Fri 3 Jul 09
brennothornhill wrote:Really?
I dont beleive it is lowe, not even he would be that stupid.
ramptonfromsouthampton
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8:22pm Fri 3 Jul 09
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced that today it filed a civil injunctive action in federal district court in Columbus, Ohio accusing Dunyasha M. Yetts and his unregistered broker-dealer, Worldwide Financial Group, Inc., of defrauding at least fourteen investors of approximately $1.8 million from 1998 through early 2001. In a related action, the Commission also today filed a separate complaint in United States Bankruptcy Court in Columbus, Ohio, where Yetts is a debtor, seeking to prevent the discharge of a substantial portion of Yetts' indebtedness, approximately $1.8 million, incurred through securities fraud.
Hmmm, not entirely sure they are related or.....
Burton Saint
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8:31pm Fri 3 Jul 09
ramptonfromsouthampt'Worldwide Financial Group' is a generic term. It has nothing to do with the consortium bidding to by SFC.
on wrote:
Just to throw the cat among the pigeons, I did a search on Worldwide Financial Group and found this....
The Securities and Exchange Commission announced that today it filed a civil injunctive action in federal district court in Columbus, Ohio accusing Dunyasha M. Yetts and his unregistered broker-dealer, Worldwide Financial Group, Inc., of defrauding at least fourteen investors of approximately $1.8 million from 1998 through early 2001. In a related action, the Commission also today filed a separate complaint in United States Bankruptcy Court in Columbus, Ohio, where Yetts is a debtor, seeking to prevent the discharge of a substantial portion of Yetts' indebtedness, approximately $1.8 million, incurred through securities fraud.
Hmmm, not entirely sure they are related or.....
robhythe
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8:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Ocean Village resident wrote:well dont go again!!! Totally contradicts what most people say!!The young players got good support under the circumstances No one jeered near me! I do agree that maybe people shouldnt have stayed away but i can see why they did! And compared to alot of teams the Saints support is generally very good and very vocal especialy away from home! Ive lived and watched teams all over and Saints are up there! Hopefully now after a few years there will be unity within the fanbase and can enjoy going to SMS
e_z_tiger wrote: You guys are absolutely incredible. You are OBSESSED with Lowe. For goodness sake the guy has gone! I`ve spent the last 10 years following the club and attending games in a professional capacity and I`ve got to tell you the fans have to take their share of the responsibility for whats happened at the club. I was there when Peter Crouch made his debut and some of you chanted 'freak' at a guy coming onto the pitch for the first time! I`ve watched as so many of you sat there in stoney silence while a young team took to the field, and then the jeers started and the sighing and as a pass went astray. what the hell did THAT do for confidence and if you look at the away record last season (very good) and the home record (very poor no win in 15 games at one stage?) I think that bears that out! I was dismayed at the dreadful attendance as so many of you in your thousands stayed away.... ' because of Lowe' well .... well done to you all. Look what`s happened. I`m no great fan of Lowe`s myself but you have to face the facts. He was guilty of many mistakes but he is NOT the only one. If you look at the facts the board after Lowe left for the first time presided over the worst financial mis-management but all the fans were so obsessed with you know who that they were blind to it. So my message.... forget Lowe he is gone... gone.... gone... not coming back.... gone. Lets look to the future NOT the past.At long last. A voice of reason. As a Cardiff fan I can only laugh at your plight I'm afraid. I went to every away game last season and your support was a complete joke.
Patrick80's
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8:58pm Fri 3 Jul 09
ramptonfromsouthamptWell he wont be investing now !
on wrote:
Just to throw the cat among the pigeons, I did a search on Worldwide Financial Group and found this.... The Securities and Exchange Commission announced that today it filed a civil injunctive action in federal district court in Columbus, Ohio accusing Dunyasha M. Yetts and his unregistered broker-dealer, Worldwide Financial Group, Inc., of defrauding at least fourteen investors of approximately $1.8 million from 1998 through early 2001. In a related action, the Commission also today filed a separate complaint in United States Bankruptcy Court in Columbus, Ohio, where Yetts is a debtor, seeking to prevent the discharge of a substantial portion of Yetts' indebtedness, approximately $1.8 million, incurred through securities fraud. Hmmm, not entirely sure they are related or.....
Captain Kirk
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9:15pm Fri 3 Jul 09
jimary
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9:22pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Glenn(Leeds)
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9:30pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Captain Kirk wrote:I might go and have a nose round,its only down the road from me.May bump into Rups.
Gillico Limited's registered office is a small firm of accountants called Greenwood Barton & Co in Cleckheaton West Yorkshire.
doversaint
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9:38pm Fri 3 Jul 09
k Gillico is owned by some bod called Richard Martin Williams and he owns Bluetooth Marketing Ltd and Matrix Intergrated Financial Solutions Ltd companies of which both are located in Bradford. It is believed that this guy is on the board of directors of Abercrombie Fitch and Wild Ltd. I guess we'll find out what's what on Monday!
Badja
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9:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
redfox4
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9:45pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pepelapoo
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9:51pm Fri 3 Jul 09
dont worry boys, some one will come in and save you. and restore you to your div four status. small club in a big division
pepelapoo
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9:56pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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9:57pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Badja wrote:me and my son will be there along with my 3 brothers and there kids my son loves the singing so i hope there going to be lots of noise well there will be from us
Sky are sending a camera crew to the Eastleigh game tomorrow.Do ya think they know something we don't?? Either way, i've got my ticket for the game, and i urge you all (except the gloating skates on here) to get down there too, and show any potential owners what a sound fanbase they are inheriting. I wanna see 2000 there at least, alright??
Southampton Heart
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10:00pm Fri 3 Jul 09
supersaints
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10:00pm Fri 3 Jul 09
pepelapoo wrote:yeah your right under them aint ya licking there arses laters
whats it like to be under the pompey. its good for me
pepelapoo
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10:02pm Fri 3 Jul 09
you live up to your standards dont you.**** and you know you are. support the best club in the south. the blues. people that support portsmouth are gay.
ShakeyWiffles
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10:04pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Sa1nty
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10:14pm Fri 3 Jul 09
On the positive side it is promising that Stern John want's a new contract and that Graham Murty is training with us. Both would be good signings for league 1. As for Kelvin Davis is he stumbling over a move to West Ham because he knows something is iminent at Saints? Good news!
Two people have come out with credit over the last few weeks, Mark Wotte for his dedication and professionalism in dire circumstances and Leon Crouch for continually dipping into his own pocket to bail out the Saints. Despite having huge respect for Leon as a fan I do not think he has Chairman potential. Sorry!
redbaronofstmarys@googlemail.com
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10:18pm Fri 3 Jul 09
saintjofbstoke
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10:27pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Captain Swing
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10:31pm Fri 3 Jul 09
redbaronofstmarys@goNo.
oglemail.com wrote:
Hopefully when this takeover is completed the new owners will ban for life lowe wilde cowans and askman as i know they wont be welcomed. DO SAINTS FANS AGREE with my thoughts.
You've understood nothing that has gone on at St Mary's since 2003.
avidsaint
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10:44pm Fri 3 Jul 09
OX18 Saint
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11:01pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Tirau Dan (NZL)
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11:05pm Fri 3 Jul 09
avidsaint wrote:Everything is going fine. Sounds very like we'll have secure new business like owners by Monday night or before. The panic does seem over according to Mark Fry who now has lots of options and bidders at the table. Looks like Swiss Group or The World Group in the lead and even if Pinnacle came in with cash up front I doubt is Fry would elevate them back up the queue.
Am I the only one to think what the hell is going on.Another potential buyer and you have guessed it nobody no who or what they are this really is starting to feel like something more sinister is going on.Hope I am just overreacting but I just dont know.
So it's all good. Soon we'll all have to start wondering who the new owners will spend money on. Pitch talk will be fun after this lot.
Patrick80's
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11:46pm Fri 3 Jul 09
co.uk
"Since our update last week we have continued in our discussions with a number of parties in relation to an acquisition of the football club," said Fry.
"We currently are very confident that a sale will be achieved and that this process will be concluded very shortly.
"In relation to information regarding new interested parties, we are now in an unusual situation whereby we are receiving offers from a number of other parties very late in the day, but are committed to getting the transaction completed with our current buyer."
"Last week I was very concerned for the club's future following the failure to complete by the then proposed purchaser, but this week has been much more positive and as said we believe a sale is close to completion."
"Now I can take my brown trousers off"!
Is this his way of concluding/celebrati
ng the sale of our club to the swiss ????????
BertCatt
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11:53pm Fri 3 Jul 09
It's well past being stupid now. Just get on and sell the B***y Club. So we can settle down, and enjoy (?) the new season.
stormus troupias the 2nd
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11:58pm Fri 3 Jul 09
Measaint
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11:58pm Fri 3 Jul 09
https://www.ukdata.c
om/company-credit-re
ports/GILLICO-LIMITE
D.html
you will be surprised at what you find, this is a summing that this is them.
st ewe saint
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12:25am Sat 4 Jul 09
Finchy
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12:33am Sat 4 Jul 09
What bemuses me with the whole scenario is that supporters haven’t been more critical of Fry. He has made grave mistakes in the whole process of selling Southampton Football Club (ie Exclusivity agreements, all eggs in one basket!! Etc.).
A lot have people have stuck up for Fry and his mickey mouse company. But personally having experienced Begbies Traynor at first hand (as they dealt with a company I used to work for going into administration), It wouldn’t surprise me if he had deliberately dragged his heels on the deal. I know for a fact that when in administration even admin staff are charged at over £100 pound per hour, Fry must be getting charged at least £250 per hour (which is guaranteed, even from donators money). It begs (pardon the pun) the question, would you drag the sale out if you were being paid that extortionate rate?
Apologies for the negative post, but I have experience of “Blagbies Trailing” at first hand, and my impression was they didn’t know there arse from their elbow, yet they still walk away with around £20k, to wind up a £7 million turnover company in one week!!
COYR!!
Captain Kirk
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1:37am Sat 4 Jul 09
Finchy wrote:I think you'll find that they are all pretty much the same. Huge fees for 'fire-selling' a business and 'managing' it in the interim. Not answerable to anyone, brass necks and massive egos.
Well after feeling suicidal last week, it looks like more positive news is round the corner. What bemuses me with the whole scenario is that supporters haven’t been more critical of Fry. He has made grave mistakes in the whole process of selling Southampton Football Club (ie Exclusivity agreements, all eggs in one basket!! Etc.). A lot have people have stuck up for Fry and his mickey mouse company. But personally having experienced Begbies Traynor at first hand (as they dealt with a company I used to work for going into administration), It wouldn’t surprise me if he had deliberately dragged his heels on the deal. I know for a fact that when in administration even admin staff are charged at over £100 pound per hour, Fry must be getting charged at least £250 per hour (which is guaranteed, even from donators money). It begs (pardon the pun) the question, would you drag the sale out if you were being paid that extortionate rate? Apologies for the negative post, but I have experience of “Blagbies Trailing” at first hand, and my impression was they didn’t know there arse from their elbow, yet they still walk away with around £20k, to wind up a £7 million turnover company in one week!! COYR!!
Tirau Dan (NZL)
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2:08am Sat 4 Jul 09
Sa1nty wrote:Good post.. ditto the thanks to Mark Wotte and Leon Crouch and to all you who are off to support the team at Eastleigh.
I had a dream last night that Grahan Le Saux was appointed manager of the Saints. Well this is more beleivable than everything else that has happened over the last few weeks.
On the positive side it is promising that Stern John want's a new contract and that Graham Murty is training with us. Both would be good signings for league 1. As for Kelvin Davis is he stumbling over a move to West Ham because he knows something is iminent at Saints? Good news!
Two people have come out with credit over the last few weeks, Mark Wotte for his dedication and professionalism in dire circumstances and Leon Crouch for continually dipping into his own pocket to bail out the Saints. Despite having huge respect for Leon as a fan I do not think he has Chairman potential. Sorry!
Next week should see the Club Contract start the signing flow... then a few players too.
Up the Saints..
Red & White
Unite and fight
doversaint
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2:01pm Sun 5 Jul 09
.co.uk/sport/footbal
l/article-1197540/Sw
iss-billionaires-rol
l-save-League-One-So
uthampton.html. It would seem that the swiss are being bankrolled by the Liebherr family of Liebherr cranes fame.
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rickyroyl says...
4:31pm Fri 3 Jul 09
hmmm convienient