Cortese denies Pardew rift

Daily Echo: NICOLA CORTESE NICOLA CORTESE

NICOLA Cortese has described the gap between Saints and the top of League One as “simply too big”.

But the Saints chairman has denied there has ever been any rift with manager Alan Pardew over the team’s results or position.

However, Cortese has once again underlined his desire to reach the playoffs at the end of the season – something Saints were 16 points short of going into today’s match against Leeds.

Cortese said that is not good enough, given the amount of money that has been spent on the team.

In total this season, Saints are thought to have shelled out about £3m on transfers.

Cortese does not believe the ten-point deduction Saints started the season with should be an excuse for not making the playoffs.

“If you go back to the beginning of the season, Southampton were probably not in a much different position than Norwich or Charlton, with the difference that we started on minus ten points,” he said.

“But Norwich or Charlton had no money to spend in the window.

“We all know what we spent.

“Now we are approximately 30 points behind Norwich and 20 points behind Charlton.

“I think that gap is simply too big.”

Cortese said both he and manager Alan Pardew were of the opinion that the amount spent in January – around £2m – meant the playoffs had to become their target for the campaign.

“We spent quite a considerable amount of money in the transfer window,” he said.

“Simply, when you do that automatically your expectations change.

“When the manager comes to ask me about buying players, we also talk about what we are going to end up with when we are buying those players.

“So we were always on the same page with what we want to achieve."

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4:33pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Mick99 says...

Another well-measure and well-timed comment from NC - not.
Another well-measure and well-timed comment from NC - not. Mick99
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4:44pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Luda. says...

I trust this guy 100 percent, he has a vision.
I trust this guy 100 percent, he has a vision. Luda.
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5:09pm Sat 13 Mar 10

H0ckeyd says...

love what he said about Pompey not getting the -9 points "then thats our 10 points back then!" :D
love what he said about Pompey not getting the -9 points "then thats our 10 points back then!" :D H0ckeyd
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5:14pm Sat 13 Mar 10

KCAJRETSOF says...

it is not correct to say we were the same as Norwich and Charlton apart from the -10 points. Saints were in a total mess with half a team, hence the low points tally in the first ten games. That is what has cost us the chance of promotion - not the fault of manager or team!
it is not correct to say we were the same as Norwich and Charlton apart from the -10 points. Saints were in a total mess with half a team, hence the low points tally in the first ten games. That is what has cost us the chance of promotion - not the fault of manager or team! KCAJRETSOF
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5:18pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Red&White Power says...

Listen to the FULL interview before making any judgement. This soundbite does not paint the complete picture.

Cortese obviously has big ambition and is right in wanting better results. Brentford, Exeter and Wycombe where games we should have won. That said i also think he like reverse psychology to get things moving. After spending someone else's millions who can blame him.
Listen to the FULL interview before making any judgement. This soundbite does not paint the complete picture. Cortese obviously has big ambition and is right in wanting better results. Brentford, Exeter and Wycombe where games we should have won. That said i also think he like reverse psychology to get things moving. After spending someone else's millions who can blame him. Red&White Power
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5:29pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Spudsaint says...

Quite right. No lack of ambition and no reason why we can't win the next 3 before heading to the JPT. If we can get 56 points under our belt the Wembley trip could be just the spring board we need to push on to the play offs. COYRs!
Quite right. No lack of ambition and no reason why we can't win the next 3 before heading to the JPT. If we can get 56 points under our belt the Wembley trip could be just the spring board we need to push on to the play offs. COYRs! Spudsaint
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5:30pm Sat 13 Mar 10

H0ckeyd says...

Agree with red&white, it did confirm a lot of what was said about the Council almost single-handedly being responsible for St. Mary's, especially if they're charging a parking fee!
Agree with red&white, it did confirm a lot of what was said about the Council almost single-handedly being responsible for St. Mary's, especially if they're charging a parking fee! H0ckeyd
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5:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10

On the N332 says...

KCAJRETSOF wrote:
it is not correct to say we were the same as Norwich and Charlton apart from the -10 points. Saints were in a total mess with half a team, hence the low points tally in the first ten games. That is what has cost us the chance of promotion - not the fault of manager or team!
Agreed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at building a team, Rome wasn't built in a day. Was NC expecting too much to be seriously challenging for promotion? I believe Alan Pardew set out with the objective of a mid- to top-half table position at the end of the season - and anything else would be a bonus. Well, we have JPT final to look forward to but play-offs are still a distant light at the end of the tunnel. I can only hope that this season's achievements (so far) will not go unrecognised with NC. We are nigh on Championship material and worth a serious bet for promotion next year if the dream (fantasy?) doesn't happen this season. I rest my case. COYR!
[quote][p][bold]KCAJRETSOF[/bold] wrote: it is not correct to say we were the same as Norwich and Charlton apart from the -10 points. Saints were in a total mess with half a team, hence the low points tally in the first ten games. That is what has cost us the chance of promotion - not the fault of manager or team![/p][/quote]Agreed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how much money you throw at building a team, Rome wasn't built in a day. Was NC expecting too much to be seriously challenging for promotion? I believe Alan Pardew set out with the objective of a mid- to top-half table position at the end of the season - and anything else would be a bonus. Well, we have JPT final to look forward to but play-offs are still a distant light at the end of the tunnel. I can only hope that this season's achievements (so far) will not go unrecognised with NC. We are nigh on Championship material and worth a serious bet for promotion next year if the dream (fantasy?) doesn't happen this season. I rest my case. COYR! On the N332
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5:38pm Sat 13 Mar 10

big ed says...

Wadddaaa youu waant, eeeenglish_b'stardos we givva you the munney and you give us the escuse, you winn ora we discussa!
Wadddaaa youu waant, eeeenglish_b'stardos we givva you the munney and you give us the escuse, you winn ora we discussa! big ed
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5:45pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Croomey says...

Saints never really had pre season, because so many players were leaving at the time. Pardew was still buying while the season had started and hoping the team would gel straight away, a big ask for any team with so many new faces. Results picked up and we got the 10 points we needed and then pushed on from there. Jan transfer window came, spent more money on very good player and once again NC wants results now, NEW FLASH MATEY IT DONT HAPPEN THAT QUICK. Sants have had a great cup run even when pardew was forced to change players because of cup ties. If pardew had the team he has now from the start of the season the only thing mr cortese would have to worry about would be how much to charge us for season tickets starting in a different league. ''Please give him time''
Saints never really had pre season, because so many players were leaving at the time. Pardew was still buying while the season had started and hoping the team would gel straight away, a big ask for any team with so many new faces. Results picked up and we got the 10 points we needed and then pushed on from there. Jan transfer window came, spent more money on very good player and once again NC wants results now, NEW FLASH MATEY IT DONT HAPPEN THAT QUICK. Sants have had a great cup run even when pardew was forced to change players because of cup ties. If pardew had the team he has now from the start of the season the only thing mr cortese would have to worry about would be how much to charge us for season tickets starting in a different league. ''Please give him time'' Croomey
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6:24pm Sat 13 Mar 10

saint t.boy says...

very happy with what he said and i am in full support of him and his vision.
exciting times ahead for this club and will be repaying my faith and thanks to markus and nicola by buying a set of ST's.
COYR
ALAN PARDEWS RED ARMY!!
very happy with what he said and i am in full support of him and his vision. exciting times ahead for this club and will be repaying my faith and thanks to markus and nicola by buying a set of ST's. COYR ALAN PARDEWS RED ARMY!! saint t.boy
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6:26pm Sat 13 Mar 10

spratt says...

The Chairman is right to express his disappointment with our league position in relation to the play-offs. We have dropped far too many points and blamed bad pitches and bad referees which will still be there next season. On the other hand I would question why the investment in players which NC refers to was not made much earlier in the season? That would have made a huge difference and the blame for this lies with him. Superb result today showing the quality we have now.
The Chairman is right to express his disappointment with our league position in relation to the play-offs. We have dropped far too many points and blamed bad pitches and bad referees which will still be there next season. On the other hand I would question why the investment in players which NC refers to was not made much earlier in the season? That would have made a huge difference and the blame for this lies with him. Superb result today showing the quality we have now. spratt
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6:34pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Andy_Germany says...

No way can you compare our start to the season with Norwich or Charlton. And yes £3 million or so has been put in, and yes we are grateful, but surely even Cortese and Liebherr realise we need TIME. How about words of praise and encouragement from upstairs for the manager, the team and the fans. A five year plan is just that. Its not a 1 year plan, or a three year plan. So why isnt Cortese and co sticking to it. AP has done a good job, despite criticism from all directions. Give him a chance PLEASE
No way can you compare our start to the season with Norwich or Charlton. And yes £3 million or so has been put in, and yes we are grateful, but surely even Cortese and Liebherr realise we need TIME. How about words of praise and encouragement from upstairs for the manager, the team and the fans. A five year plan is just that. Its not a 1 year plan, or a three year plan. So why isnt Cortese and co sticking to it. AP has done a good job, despite criticism from all directions. Give him a chance PLEASE Andy_Germany
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6:52pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Condor Man says...

spot on comments, if you look at the state of the team when AP was appointed we were still saddled with the dross that got us relegated. It took until the end of September to get the team together- the signings of Lambert, Hammond and Jaidi were key. By that time Norwich were shooting up the table. It took Alex Ferguson 4 years to turn Manure around, I don't think it will take that long to get us back into a position where we can challenge to get back to the Premier League- provided Pardew stays in charge of course.
spot on comments, if you look at the state of the team when AP was appointed we were still saddled with the dross that got us relegated. It took until the end of September to get the team together- the signings of Lambert, Hammond and Jaidi were key. By that time Norwich were shooting up the table. It took Alex Ferguson 4 years to turn Manure around, I don't think it will take that long to get us back into a position where we can challenge to get back to the Premier League- provided Pardew stays in charge of course. Condor Man
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6:55pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Optimism rules OK says...

Remember the last time he supposedly piled pressure on AP? we won 2-0 at Norwich and won 5-1 and 5-0 respectively! he keeps AP on his toes, putting pressure on the manager, and the manager works overtime on letting the squad know about it, which then improves the performances on the pitch. Cortese isnt a successful banker for nothing!
Remember the last time he supposedly piled pressure on AP? we won 2-0 at Norwich and won 5-1 and 5-0 respectively! he keeps AP on his toes, putting pressure on the manager, and the manager works overtime on letting the squad know about it, which then improves the performances on the pitch. Cortese isnt a successful banker for nothing! Optimism rules OK
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7:02pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Ozmosis says...

Cortese is a businessman, and I've no reason to doubt that he is not a good one at that. In business if you have a problem you spend money to fix it. Take Chelsea going back a few seasons - they spent, what, a hundred million or some such ludicrous figure. Did it make the best ever side in whole world? No. Man Utd still pipped them to the title that yea, IIRC. We had no pre-season worth talking about and with some players, the first time they played with their team mates was in the first L1 match of the season. Players need time to gel, whatever league they are in, and our progressive improvement this season has shown this is now happening brilliantly. I know some people expect us to be top now, but it just isn't quite that easy. If we aren't in top 2 next season then I'd expect Cortese to be most vociferous, and rightly so. For now, I think this is a motivation tool, more than anything else, and talk of a rift is merely media stirring.

(s/w = nice-form, psml!)
Cortese is a businessman, and I've no reason to doubt that he is not a good one at that. In business if you have a problem you spend money to fix it. Take Chelsea going back a few seasons - they spent, what, a hundred million or some such ludicrous figure. Did it make the best ever side in whole world? No. Man Utd still pipped them to the title that yea, IIRC. We had no pre-season worth talking about and with some players, the first time they played with their team mates was in the first L1 match of the season. Players need time to gel, whatever league they are in, and our progressive improvement this season has shown this is now happening brilliantly. I know some people expect us to be top now, but it just isn't quite that easy. If we aren't in top 2 next season then I'd expect Cortese to be most vociferous, and rightly so. For now, I think this is a motivation tool, more than anything else, and talk of a rift is merely media stirring. (s/w = nice-form, psml!) Ozmosis
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7:52pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Red&White Power says...

Incidentally as predicted the chairmans comments slashed all over the poo stirring that the Daily Echo where doing in January.

Now they have been let back into SMS they should refrain from personal attacks.
Incidentally as predicted the chairmans comments slashed all over the poo stirring that the Daily Echo where doing in January. Now they have been let back into SMS they should refrain from personal attacks. Red&White Power
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8:03pm Sat 13 Mar 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

Plus a reminder that we couldn't buy earlier because of the transfer window being closed. The impossible is slowly happening, miracles take a little longer, I like what I am hearing.
Plus a reminder that we couldn't buy earlier because of the transfer window being closed. The impossible is slowly happening, miracles take a little longer, I like what I am hearing. OSPREYSAINT
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8:43pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Bungy53 says...

Can anyone tell me what was said regarding a move from St Marys? The Saints Player doesn't appear to show the interview as being available to listen to it this evening.
Can anyone tell me what was said regarding a move from St Marys? The Saints Player doesn't appear to show the interview as being available to listen to it this evening. Bungy53
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9:37pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Bunman says...

All well in paradise then?
All well in paradise then? Bunman
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9:37pm Sat 13 Mar 10

stjj says...

Bungy53 wrote:
Can anyone tell me what was said regarding a move from St Marys? The Saints Player doesn't appear to show the interview as being available to listen to it this evening.
go on bbc radio solent web site it is on there.
[quote][p][bold]Bungy53[/bold] wrote: Can anyone tell me what was said regarding a move from St Marys? The Saints Player doesn't appear to show the interview as being available to listen to it this evening.[/p][/quote]go on bbc radio solent web site it is on there. stjj
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10:14pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Jewson Smithee says...

I think this is top journalism, the echo had this article up and on this site before I turned the radio off. It's hungry reporting, if only the sky sports app was as quick.
I think this is top journalism, the echo had this article up and on this site before I turned the radio off. It's hungry reporting, if only the sky sports app was as quick. Jewson Smithee
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10:42pm Sat 13 Mar 10

Tirau Dan says...

It's a pert story here and begs the question. Nicola made the investment based on where we wanted to be for the money put in. Pards was given every player he asked for so Nicola wants to meet his budget return which is the play-offs. Any manager of any business knows you can't always meet budget due to certain circumstances and directors weigh those circumstances. It's not a reason for a rift between the manager and directors until they are convinced that the manager is unable to perform to expectation.

Were Saints on an even parr with Norwich or Charlton when Alan Pardew took over. Has someone got the book value of players from Norwich and Charlton to compare with Saints.

Alan started with no players lined up by scouts. He had the remnants of a team that had been stripped to the absolute bare bones and no pre-season training organised by himself.
He had a pair of poles that didn't want to play, some kids that very much wanted to but were never up to the task and a few talented stalwarts that had been down trodden that have come through.

Norwich had 11 player changes and got a new manager Paul Lambert at 18th Aug he has had a 68% win record with his new team.

Pards joined Saints on 17th July and has a 48% record. Parkinson has a 33% record with Charlton and has had the team since Nov 2008.

Pards got in a good core of helpers and players in and rebuilt.

The early string of draws and defeats were part of Pards learning the team. We did well against some good teams but consistently failed to soundly beat the less fancied teams.

The loss to Brighton and the first half debacle against Orient held us back as the others flew up the league.

The window came and we added more. They need time to settle but meanwhile we drew with Exeter and lost to Tranmere. Yet produced some of the most scintillating football seen for years at home.

It's that last box referred to by Pards.. "consistency" that remains unticked.

The Chairman says there is no rift.
He says there is no plan for a Director of Football.
He does say the gap is simply not good enough.

Bit long, sums it up as I see it and probably most of you.

Its the half empty/full glass.

The Chairman, is not happy with the results and wants the play offs this year.

There is pressure on and I think it's good healthy pressure. Is Pards in jeopardy.. no.

Know how astute our chairman is he may well have some confidential monetary bonus or penalty in place for failing to deliver that final box and achieve his budget target: the play-offs.
It's a pert story here and begs the question. Nicola made the investment based on where we wanted to be for the money put in. Pards was given every player he asked for so Nicola wants to meet his budget return which is the play-offs. Any manager of any business knows you can't always meet budget due to certain circumstances and directors weigh those circumstances. It's not a reason for a rift between the manager and directors until they are convinced that the manager is unable to perform to expectation. Were Saints on an even parr with Norwich or Charlton when Alan Pardew took over. Has someone got the book value of players from Norwich and Charlton to compare with Saints. Alan started with no players lined up by scouts. He had the remnants of a team that had been stripped to the absolute bare bones and no pre-season training organised by himself. He had a pair of poles that didn't want to play, some kids that very much wanted to but were never up to the task and a few talented stalwarts that had been down trodden that have come through. Norwich had 11 player changes and got a new manager Paul Lambert at 18th Aug he has had a 68% win record with his new team. Pards joined Saints on 17th July and has a 48% record. Parkinson has a 33% record with Charlton and has had the team since Nov 2008. Pards got in a good core of helpers and players in and rebuilt. The early string of draws and defeats were part of Pards learning the team. We did well against some good teams but consistently failed to soundly beat the less fancied teams. The loss to Brighton and the first half debacle against Orient held us back as the others flew up the league. The window came and we added more. They need time to settle but meanwhile we drew with Exeter and lost to Tranmere. Yet produced some of the most scintillating football seen for years at home. It's that last box referred to by Pards.. "consistency" that remains unticked. The Chairman says there is no rift. He says there is no plan for a Director of Football. He does say the gap is simply not good enough. Bit long, sums it up as I see it and probably most of you. Its the half empty/full glass. The Chairman, is not happy with the results and wants the play offs this year. There is pressure on and I think it's good healthy pressure. Is Pards in jeopardy.. no. Know how astute our chairman is he may well have some confidential monetary bonus or penalty in place for failing to deliver that final box and achieve his budget target: the play-offs. Tirau Dan
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7:15am Sun 14 Mar 10

Waysider says...

It was a sad day for the lovely game, when it became a hire & fire business, but thankfuly, i've seen the best of it. as a schoolboy, they would let us in for free, in the corner, and Efgrave was in goal.
It was a sad day for the lovely game, when it became a hire & fire business, but thankfuly, i've seen the best of it. as a schoolboy, they would let us in for free, in the corner, and Efgrave was in goal. Waysider
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7:22am Sun 14 Mar 10

Andy_Germany says...

I don't believe the play offs were mentioned by NC, ML, AP or anyone else at the begining. Just a promise of a five year plan and sensible investment. So let AP get on with the job. NC is a banker, so let him and others deal with that side of things and give AP the time and the support he needs to implement the 5 year plan. Please dont let us get into the manager merry-go-round again. We have seen where that leads. The way the team is going right now is more than fantastic. Yes there is always room for improvement, but have a lot of people (esecially those upstairs) forgotten where we were just a few months ago. There is an air of positiveness and genuine joy at being a Saints fan these days. Come on NC come out and support AP, the team and the best fans in the land.
I don't believe the play offs were mentioned by NC, ML, AP or anyone else at the begining. Just a promise of a five year plan and sensible investment. So let AP get on with the job. NC is a banker, so let him and others deal with that side of things and give AP the time and the support he needs to implement the 5 year plan. Please dont let us get into the manager merry-go-round again. We have seen where that leads. The way the team is going right now is more than fantastic. Yes there is always room for improvement, but have a lot of people (esecially those upstairs) forgotten where we were just a few months ago. There is an air of positiveness and genuine joy at being a Saints fan these days. Come on NC come out and support AP, the team and the best fans in the land. Andy_Germany
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7:26am Sun 14 Mar 10

JohnItaly says...

I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?
I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan? JohnItaly
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8:06am Sun 14 Mar 10

Andy_Germany says...

JohnItaly wrote:
I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?
well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?[/p][/quote]well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are. Andy_Germany
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8:19am Sun 14 Mar 10

franiow says...

Just listened to NC interview. Enjoyed it as it sounded very positive for our future. NC said the play-offs were a reasonable target, but he also said that it didn't follow that you would be promoted if you made the play-offs. Sounded reasonable and didn't sound like a man about to sack the manager. I loved his bit about how nervous he is on match day...can't eat etc...sounded like a real fan to me. I'm sure that a lot of people would love the bit about getting beer into the fans hands quicker...not me as I am a chardonnay girl myself!
Just listened to NC interview. Enjoyed it as it sounded very positive for our future. NC said the play-offs were a reasonable target, but he also said that it didn't follow that you would be promoted if you made the play-offs. Sounded reasonable and didn't sound like a man about to sack the manager. I loved his bit about how nervous he is on match day...can't eat etc...sounded like a real fan to me. I'm sure that a lot of people would love the bit about getting beer into the fans hands quicker...not me as I am a chardonnay girl myself! franiow
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9:05am Sun 14 Mar 10

RJCogburn says...

Cortese is right to expect results for the investment,however AP is building a strong team which will need continual investment if we are to progress.Any successful club at any level requires that.Next season will be the real test.No 10 point deduction and hopefully no top player sales in the summer - then lets expect the Manager to deliver promotion,but if the club pulls the rug from under him we will only have ourselves to blame.
Cortese is right to expect results for the investment,however AP is building a strong team which will need continual investment if we are to progress.Any successful club at any level requires that.Next season will be the real test.No 10 point deduction and hopefully no top player sales in the summer - then lets expect the Manager to deliver promotion,but if the club pulls the rug from under him we will only have ourselves to blame. RJCogburn
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9:16am Sun 14 Mar 10

SouthamptonLegend says...

Andy_Germany wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?
well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.
It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago.

Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed.

I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!!
[quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?[/p][/quote]well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.[/p][/quote]It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago. Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!! SouthamptonLegend
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10:03am Sun 14 Mar 10

Charlie Wayman says...

It makes me wonder how many of these postings have actually listened to the Nicola Cortesa interview.
The Echo has distorted the sincerity of this interview by honing in on an alleged rift between Cortese and Pardew. To me Cortese came accross as a sincere and genuine person with a burning desire to take the club back to where it belongs.
Saints fans just savour the moment. and Echo report the spirit of his comments not highlight extracts to sell more newspapers.
It makes me wonder how many of these postings have actually listened to the Nicola Cortesa interview. The Echo has distorted the sincerity of this interview by honing in on an alleged rift between Cortese and Pardew. To me Cortese came accross as a sincere and genuine person with a burning desire to take the club back to where it belongs. Saints fans just savour the moment. and Echo report the spirit of his comments not highlight extracts to sell more newspapers. Charlie Wayman
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10:12am Sun 14 Mar 10

Luda. says...

He said in the interview that perhaps mistakes were made initially regarding some staff.
I don't know how many staff Nicola himself has appointed, maybe this was the thinly veiled swipe at Pards?.
Whatever this guy does will be right for the club.
The team at the moment is playing great, but we will never know if the grass is/was greener had someone else been appointed.
Hope Alan is the man to lead us to the Prem in 5 years, but unless we are making real progress in the championship in two years time, i don't believe he will be.
He said in the interview that perhaps mistakes were made initially regarding some staff. I don't know how many staff Nicola himself has appointed, maybe this was the thinly veiled swipe at Pards?. Whatever this guy does will be right for the club. The team at the moment is playing great, but we will never know if the grass is/was greener had someone else been appointed. Hope Alan is the man to lead us to the Prem in 5 years, but unless we are making real progress in the championship in two years time, i don't believe he will be. Luda.
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11:00am Sun 14 Mar 10

Paul Lucas says...

OK - Time for a what if??
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What if - AP didn't make the play-off's and was sacked?
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Who would you all see as the man to do it, the man NC would appoint.
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What if the new manager was appalling - what would the fans and NC think then?
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COYRS!!!!!!
OK - Time for a what if?? . What if - AP didn't make the play-off's and was sacked? . Who would you all see as the man to do it, the man NC would appoint. . What if the new manager was appalling - what would the fans and NC think then? . COYRS!!!!!! Paul Lucas
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11:16am Sun 14 Mar 10

Southampton Heart says...

The interview was a real good listen.

I think NC is doing a smashing job...and we couldn't have a better man in charge (in St Markus's trust).

I'm so excited for our Club's future.

Southampton Forever!.
The interview was a real good listen. I think NC is doing a smashing job...and we couldn't have a better man in charge (in St Markus's trust). I'm so excited for our Club's future. Southampton Forever!. Southampton Heart
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11:47am Sun 14 Mar 10

SouthamptonLegend says...

Paul Lucas wrote:
OK - Time for a what if??
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What if - AP didn't make the play-off's and was sacked?
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Who would you all see as the man to do it, the man NC would appoint.
.

What if the new manager was appalling - what would the fans and NC think then?
.
COYRS!!!!!!
You can more or less guarantee the next man will be better. We will be able to attract very well known and very experienced managers. Cortese took AP on for this season because he had a good play-off record, he might think now that it's not good enough and anyways we don't need that experience as we'll want to be champions of every division after this season, so someone with that experience is going to be needed. We need a great manager for the future and i don't think AP is a great manager, he's ok but not the best.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Lucas[/bold] wrote: OK - Time for a what if?? . What if - AP didn't make the play-off's and was sacked? . Who would you all see as the man to do it, the man NC would appoint. . What if the new manager was appalling - what would the fans and NC think then? . COYRS!!!!!![/p][/quote]You can more or less guarantee the next man will be better. We will be able to attract very well known and very experienced managers. Cortese took AP on for this season because he had a good play-off record, he might think now that it's not good enough and anyways we don't need that experience as we'll want to be champions of every division after this season, so someone with that experience is going to be needed. We need a great manager for the future and i don't think AP is a great manager, he's ok but not the best. SouthamptonLegend
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11:56am Sun 14 Mar 10

Andy_Germany says...

I despair!
I despair! Andy_Germany
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12:34pm Sun 14 Mar 10

The Exiled Saint says...

Nicola Cortese came across as more than reasonable.

As Chief Executive Officer of Southampton FC and sole board member he is the one responsible to Marcus Leibherr, the owner, for the Clubs’ progress. Therefore he will be always the one who decides on all matters concerning the Club, including the buying of players.

This may not suit the traditionalist or those who may be of the opinion that his role is merely to sign the cheques. Those days are gone, and if proof were ever-needed then just look down the road at Fratton Park, where the coach/managers were given carte blanche to buy any player they wanted.

I doubt if there was a “rift” between Alan Pardew and the CEO, except in the mind of those who may still be resentful at not being consulted, as they had been in the past.

If anyone had told me last August that we’d be tenth in table, with a mathematically possibility of getting within the playoffs, gone seven home games without defeat and planning a trip to Wembley, I would’ve doubted their mental health.

We may not get promotion, but thanks to Marcus Leibherr, Nicola Cortese, Alan Pardew, et al., Southampton Football Club is in a much better condition than it ever was under any combination of the Lowe/Wilde/Crouch/ McMenemy regimes.

Yesterday’s gate of 30000 plus, for a Third Divison club, must surely confirm this.
Nicola Cortese came across as more than reasonable. As Chief Executive Officer of Southampton FC and sole board member he is the one responsible to Marcus Leibherr, the owner, for the Clubs’ progress. Therefore he will be always the one who decides on all matters concerning the Club, including the buying of players. This may not suit the traditionalist or those who may be of the opinion that his role is merely to sign the cheques. Those days are gone, and if proof were ever-needed then just look down the road at Fratton Park, where the coach/managers were given carte blanche to buy any player they wanted. I doubt if there was a “rift” between Alan Pardew and the CEO, except in the mind of those who may still be resentful at not being consulted, as they had been in the past. If anyone had told me last August that we’d be tenth in table, with a mathematically possibility of getting within the playoffs, gone seven home games without defeat and planning a trip to Wembley, I would’ve doubted their mental health. We may not get promotion, but thanks to Marcus Leibherr, Nicola Cortese, Alan Pardew, et al., Southampton Football Club is in a much better condition than it ever was under any combination of the Lowe/Wilde/Crouch/ McMenemy regimes. Yesterday’s gate of 30000 plus, for a Third Divison club, must surely confirm this. The Exiled Saint
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12:52pm Sun 14 Mar 10

waxrose says...

The last 5 home games have averaged, assuming 20 pounds, per spectator and 60% retained by home club around 300,000 pounds so a 3 million investment that returns 10% every 5/6 weeks can't be too bad and I doubt if the owners and management are anything but pleased with the coaches input. Keep up the good work Pards and consign the Echo's attempts at sensational headlines to the WPB.
The last 5 home games have averaged, assuming 20 pounds, per spectator and 60% retained by home club around 300,000 pounds so a 3 million investment that returns 10% every 5/6 weeks can't be too bad and I doubt if the owners and management are anything but pleased with the coaches input. Keep up the good work Pards and consign the Echo's attempts at sensational headlines to the WPB. waxrose
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2:40pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Costa Baz says...

SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote:
JohnItaly wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?
well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.
It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago. Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!!
I might be wrong, but I thought NC was asked during the interview to confirm if the '5 year plan' was still in place, to which his response (unless I am a muppet) was 'yes it is'.
Perhaps you can direct the muppets to the archive in which NC said it was now a 3 year plan?
[quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?[/p][/quote]well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.[/p][/quote]It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago. Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!![/p][/quote]I might be wrong, but I thought NC was asked during the interview to confirm if the '5 year plan' was still in place, to which his response (unless I am a muppet) was 'yes it is'. Perhaps you can direct the muppets to the archive in which NC said it was now a 3 year plan? Costa Baz
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2:45pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Luda. says...

Costa Baz wrote:
SouthamptonLegend wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote:
JohnItaly wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?
well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.
It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago. Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!!
I might be wrong, but I thought NC was asked during the interview to confirm if the '5 year plan' was still in place, to which his response (unless I am a muppet) was 'yes it is'. Perhaps you can direct the muppets to the archive in which NC said it was now a 3 year plan?
Definatly said 5 year plan, infact he seemed a bit pee'd off that he was asked.
[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthamptonLegend[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I seem to recall a five year plan when the club was taken over. Does Cortese think spending money will bring instant success and therefore now adopting a FIVE MONTH plan?[/p][/quote]well said JohnItaly. I wonder if NC reads these posts? Probably not. Maybe he should, then he would realise how upseting his comments can be. He might also realise how passionate Saints fans worldwide are.[/p][/quote]It isn't a 5 year plan!!! It's 3!! Cortese said this ages ago. Cortese said the gap simply isn't good enough and we can't use the -10 points as an excuse...totally agree with him and have been telling you muppets on here for a long time but you all disagreed. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't make the play-offs Alan Pardew would be sacked by Cortese. Expectations need to be met and Markus and Nicola have very high expectations, as should we all!![/p][/quote]I might be wrong, but I thought NC was asked during the interview to confirm if the '5 year plan' was still in place, to which his response (unless I am a muppet) was 'yes it is'. Perhaps you can direct the muppets to the archive in which NC said it was now a 3 year plan?[/p][/quote]Definatly said 5 year plan, infact he seemed a bit pee'd off that he was asked. Luda.
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2:46pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Costa Baz says...

NC said so many good things that he seems to have got away with saying the £3 booking fee, for JPT Final tickets, was to cover SFC expenses and not to make a profit.
If, as I understand it, the fee was charged for every ticket, did the extra staff and phone lines really cost £132k?
NC said so many good things that he seems to have got away with saying the £3 booking fee, for JPT Final tickets, was to cover SFC expenses and not to make a profit. If, as I understand it, the fee was charged for every ticket, did the extra staff and phone lines really cost £132k? Costa Baz
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2:48pm Sun 14 Mar 10

KCAJRETSOF says...

RJCogburn wrote:
Cortese is right to expect results for the investment,however AP is building a strong team which will need continual investment if we are to progress.Any successful club at any level requires that.Next season will be the real test.No 10 point deduction and hopefully no top player sales in the summer - then lets expect the Manager to deliver promotion,but if the club pulls the rug from under him we will only have ourselves to blame.
Exactly right! Remember Rupert's revolving door? How about QPR since they had rich owners. Saints fans, above all others, should totally reject any idea of getting rid of AP anytime soon. Personally, if the manager went if we don't make the play-offs this season, I would feel totally depressed. Some of our fans have very short memories and vastly inflated expectations!
[quote][p][bold]RJCogburn[/bold] wrote: Cortese is right to expect results for the investment,however AP is building a strong team which will need continual investment if we are to progress.Any successful club at any level requires that.Next season will be the real test.No 10 point deduction and hopefully no top player sales in the summer - then lets expect the Manager to deliver promotion,but if the club pulls the rug from under him we will only have ourselves to blame.[/p][/quote]Exactly right! Remember Rupert's revolving door? How about QPR since they had rich owners. Saints fans, above all others, should totally reject any idea of getting rid of AP anytime soon. Personally, if the manager went if we don't make the play-offs this season, I would feel totally depressed. Some of our fans have very short memories and vastly inflated expectations! KCAJRETSOF
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5:45pm Sun 14 Mar 10

sotonexpat says...

Bunman wrote:
All well in paradise then?
Fcuk off Skate.
[quote][p][bold]Bunman[/bold] wrote: All well in paradise then?[/p][/quote]Fcuk off Skate. sotonexpat
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6:35pm Sun 14 Mar 10

wallop wonderboy says...

I wonder where all of the talk about the play offs is leading-it is certainly provoking comment and stiring up some bad feeling. It seems as if we don not make the play-offs heads will have to roll. How the hell have we got into this fix. Have the 'goal posts' been moved and the terms of reference and expectations of A P been changed. It is worth looking as the official Saints website and the quotes from NC himself.
Upon his appointment to the club/company on the 3rd August his official statement said that his intention was to 'create a solid base from which we can build and become successful. This will take time'.
At the Fans' Forum on the 3rd September when asked about the prospects of getting to the premiership he said that 5 years would be reasonable.
In his Christmas address dated the 21st December 2009 he said that 'progress in the league remains our priority and we remain ambitious to continue our climb up the table'.
Since that last statement the team has done quite well and won most games. Our form has for the most part matched our expectations.
His comments above are all reasonable.
I heard part of his interview before the Leeds game. I did not understand the comparison with Leeds and Norwich and the ten point gap. Dan (NZ) has already pointed out that both those teams were well set at the end of July to start the new season with settled squads. AP had to come in and pick up the remnants of a squad and add a few elder statesmen, loanee boys and one or two others that he managed to beg and borrow through his network of contacts. They did bloody well and whilst they might not have won as many as we would have like and we perhaps drew a few too many at least we had a team proud to wear the Saints shirt and to give the fans something to shout about. It has been a great recovery year but please do not spoil it by being over critical if we do not make the play-offs. After all our chairman (NC) is quoted in his own club website as saying that it would be reasonable to take five years to get to the premiershit(oops-mis
hit the key but it might be near right) and at present , promotion or no promotion this year we are well on course.
I wonder where all of the talk about the play offs is leading-it is certainly provoking comment and stiring up some bad feeling. It seems as if we don not make the play-offs heads will have to roll. How the hell have we got into this fix. Have the 'goal posts' been moved and the terms of reference and expectations of A P been changed. It is worth looking as the official Saints website and the quotes from NC himself. Upon his appointment to the club/company on the 3rd August his official statement said that his intention was to 'create a solid base from which we can build and become successful. This will take time'. At the Fans' Forum on the 3rd September when asked about the prospects of getting to the premiership he said that 5 years would be reasonable. In his Christmas address dated the 21st December 2009 he said that 'progress in the league remains our priority and we remain ambitious to continue our climb up the table'. Since that last statement the team has done quite well and won most games. Our form has for the most part matched our expectations. His comments above are all reasonable. I heard part of his interview before the Leeds game. I did not understand the comparison with Leeds and Norwich and the ten point gap. Dan (NZ) has already pointed out that both those teams were well set at the end of July to start the new season with settled squads. AP had to come in and pick up the remnants of a squad and add a few elder statesmen, loanee boys and one or two others that he managed to beg and borrow through his network of contacts. They did bloody well and whilst they might not have won as many as we would have like and we perhaps drew a few too many at least we had a team proud to wear the Saints shirt and to give the fans something to shout about. It has been a great recovery year but please do not spoil it by being over critical if we do not make the play-offs. After all our chairman (NC) is quoted in his own club website as saying that it would be reasonable to take five years to get to the premiershit(oops-mis hit the key but it might be near right) and at present , promotion or no promotion this year we are well on course. wallop wonderboy
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8:23pm Sun 14 Mar 10

Tirau Dan says...

Nicola wants to meet his budget return which is the play-offs. In business you can't always meet budget due to certain circumstances. Directors weigh those circumstances.

It's not a reason for a rift between a manager and the directors until they are convinced that the manager is unable to perform to expectation.

I would expect there may be some confidential monetary penalty in place for failing to achieve his budget target: the play-offs but this isn't a director that is going to run a fairground carousel for managers to jump on and off.

If we get to the play offs brilliant if we don't I think most fans are already looking forward to next season being the finest winning record for many years.

If and when Nicola decides Pards is not the man either a football direct would come in to help (already discounted in the near future) or at the end of the season out goes Pards and in comes the new man... I really don't think Mr Cortese will speak about it in advance to anyone except the manager and replacement. For me I can't see that happening in a million years and if it did the candidate would have to be absolutely mind blowingly top flight.

Have some Saintly faith and confidence in sense and competence.
Nicola wants to meet his budget return which is the play-offs. In business you can't always meet budget due to certain circumstances. Directors weigh those circumstances. It's not a reason for a rift between a manager and the directors until they are convinced that the manager is unable to perform to expectation. I would expect there may be some confidential monetary penalty in place for failing to achieve his budget target: the play-offs but this isn't a director that is going to run a fairground carousel for managers to jump on and off. If we get to the play offs brilliant if we don't I think most fans are already looking forward to next season being the finest winning record for many years. If and when Nicola decides Pards is not the man either a football direct would come in to help (already discounted in the near future) or at the end of the season out goes Pards and in comes the new man... I really don't think Mr Cortese will speak about it in advance to anyone except the manager and replacement. For me I can't see that happening in a million years and if it did the candidate would have to be absolutely mind blowingly top flight. Have some Saintly faith and confidence in sense and competence. Tirau Dan
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10:34am Mon 15 Mar 10

BIg-Al says...

Nicola Cortese: "We started with minus-10 points but now we're 31 behind Norwich, and 22 behind Charlton. The gap is too much."

Yes it is - but these clubs didn't have to sell their Championship standard players to pay wages bills and other debts. SFC had no team, no pre-season training or team-bonding for the new players. I believe Alan Pardew has done an absolutely terrific job and shouldn't be held responsible if the expectations of the Chairman has changed from his five-year plan.
Nicola Cortese: "We started with minus-10 points but now we're 31 behind Norwich, and 22 behind Charlton. The gap is too much." Yes it is - but these clubs didn't have to sell their Championship standard players to pay wages bills and other debts. SFC had no team, no pre-season training or team-bonding for the new players. I believe Alan Pardew has done an absolutely terrific job and shouldn't be held responsible if the expectations of the Chairman has changed from his five-year plan. BIg-Al
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4:14pm Mon 15 Mar 10

spratt says...

Why all this speculation about AP being replaced? I thought NCs interview extremely impressive and no hint of a rift with AP. He was right though to point out that we are not in the league position we should be at this stage. Reading between the lines of the interview I got the impression that the £3m spent was on an understanding with AP that with the players brought in the playoffs could be achieved. Not that they would but that they could. I still think that some very poor results by way of draws and losses disappointed ML and NC but that does not mean there is any question of AP going. Refering to some of the adverse preceding comments on NC I think we should remind ourselves that the Chairman and owner are far more important than the Manager. Managers come and go but the Club was saved by Marcus.
Why all this speculation about AP being replaced? I thought NCs interview extremely impressive and no hint of a rift with AP. He was right though to point out that we are not in the league position we should be at this stage. Reading between the lines of the interview I got the impression that the £3m spent was on an understanding with AP that with the players brought in the playoffs could be achieved. Not that they would but that they could. I still think that some very poor results by way of draws and losses disappointed ML and NC but that does not mean there is any question of AP going. Refering to some of the adverse preceding comments on NC I think we should remind ourselves that the Chairman and owner are far more important than the Manager. Managers come and go but the Club was saved by Marcus. spratt
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4:38pm Mon 15 Mar 10

Alicesdad says...

spratt wrote:
Why all this speculation about AP being replaced? I thought NCs interview extremely impressive and no hint of a rift with AP. He was right though to point out that we are not in the league position we should be at this stage. Reading between the lines of the interview I got the impression that the £3m spent was on an understanding with AP that with the players brought in the playoffs could be achieved. Not that they would but that they could. I still think that some very poor results by way of draws and losses disappointed ML and NC but that does not mean there is any question of AP going. Refering to some of the adverse preceding comments on NC I think we should remind ourselves that the Chairman and owner are far more important than the Manager. Managers come and go but the Club was saved by Marcus.
Well said.

In any event take a look at the team in 6th place now. They will prbably end up with around 80 points. We can only beat that by winning every game. Highly unlikely.
Even if we had beaten Wycombe Tranmere, Exter and Brentford we would still be adrift and hoping the other results go our our way. Its clear to see, the poor start when we were rebuilding plus the ten point deduction made our task very difficult. We will however win this league next season with a massive points haul and we will go up thefollowing season too.

Optimism? Maybe.. but te only way is up.

So now we are back to this ridiculous story of a "rift".
THERE ISN'T ONE.

There is only one paper making an issue of this. The Echo. No other paper is bothered as we are League One and not big news.

The Echo should stop stirring this up and lookm to the future with positive news not this constant jibing and misquoting.
[quote][p][bold]spratt[/bold] wrote: Why all this speculation about AP being replaced? I thought NCs interview extremely impressive and no hint of a rift with AP. He was right though to point out that we are not in the league position we should be at this stage. Reading between the lines of the interview I got the impression that the £3m spent was on an understanding with AP that with the players brought in the playoffs could be achieved. Not that they would but that they could. I still think that some very poor results by way of draws and losses disappointed ML and NC but that does not mean there is any question of AP going. Refering to some of the adverse preceding comments on NC I think we should remind ourselves that the Chairman and owner are far more important than the Manager. Managers come and go but the Club was saved by Marcus.[/p][/quote]Well said. In any event take a look at the team in 6th place now. They will prbably end up with around 80 points. We can only beat that by winning every game. Highly unlikely. Even if we had beaten Wycombe Tranmere, Exter and Brentford we would still be adrift and hoping the other results go our our way. Its clear to see, the poor start when we were rebuilding plus the ten point deduction made our task very difficult. We will however win this league next season with a massive points haul and we will go up thefollowing season too. Optimism? Maybe.. but te only way is up. So now we are back to this ridiculous story of a "rift". THERE ISN'T ONE. There is only one paper making an issue of this. The Echo. No other paper is bothered as we are League One and not big news. The Echo should stop stirring this up and lookm to the future with positive news not this constant jibing and misquoting. Alicesdad
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