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No excuses as Saints tumble out
10:30am Wednesday 1st September 2010 in
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- By Gordon Simpson » Senior Sports Reporter
SAINTS caretaker boss Dean Wilkins refused to blame last night’s 3-0 loss to Swindon on the sacking of Alan Pardew.
The defending champions tumbled out of the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy at the first hurdle after a poor display at St Mary’s, in front of a record low crowd of 8,333.
The match came less than 48 hours after Pardew, first team coach Wally Downes and goalkeeping coach Stuart Murdoch were given the axe.
Saints’ performance was a world away from the one they put in at the Memorial Stadium on Saturday, when they thumped Bristol Rovers 4-0.
But Wilkins refused to blame last night’s display on Monday’s events.
“We’re all disappointed,” he said.
“We’re all professional as well, so I don’t think we should use Monday’s events as an excuse.
“I’ve had to get on with it, the players have had to get on with it and we had a meeting about it.
“We are all professional people, so I’m not going to use it as an excuse.”
On numerous occasions, Saints fans were chanting the name of Pardew and the cries only got louder as the night went on.
But Wilkins said he didn’t believe that affected the players.
“I personally don’t think it does, because once you’re out there your full focus is on the job in hand,” he said.
“I understand it, but all I will say to the fans is we need everyone behind us if we are still to achieve our target of getting promotion.
“We’ve got another home game Saturday (against Rochdale) and we really need them behind us.”
Wilkins admitted his side lost the game in both penalty areas, where Swindon were far sharper.
But he felt Saints were the better of the two teams in the middle of the park.
“We lost the game in both penalty areas, but I thought our play in the middle third was probably better than theirs,” said Wilkins.
“I’m just disappointed generally with the result, especially as we were defending our trophy.
“We felt we had the chance of going all the way again.
“I don’t think we got the ball into the box quickly enough at times.”
Wilkins revealed that Lee Barnard’s sending off was for a straight red after a foul on Will Evans, ten minutes after coming on late in the second half.
Referee Darren Sheldrake had initially shown a yellow card, but Wilkins said both that and the red had been stuck together.
Sheldrake then corrected his mistake, but Wilkins didn’t agree with the sending off.
“I thought it was harsh, I thought he tackled one-footed and he hit the ball with his studs, without a doubt,” he said.
Wilkins also confirmed that the prognosis for Adam Lallana and his troublesome knee was not good, ahead of the midfielder visiting a specialist today.
“He sees a specialist, but unfortunately I don’t think we are anticipating good news,” he said.
“But we will just have to wait and see on that.”
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proudsaint
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10:43am Wed 1 Sep 10
OSPREYSAINT
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10:52am Wed 1 Sep 10
steve1968
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10:55am Wed 1 Sep 10
Enrico Palazzo
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10:56am Wed 1 Sep 10
Red n White
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10:58am Wed 1 Sep 10
PGA-
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10:59am Wed 1 Sep 10
Enrico Palazzo
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11:01am Wed 1 Sep 10
PGA- wrote:Sounds like he's trying to talk himself into the position!
The new manager is going to be Phil Brown. See Telegraph article
Elgy
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11:04am Wed 1 Sep 10
shaunparsons
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11:05am Wed 1 Sep 10
AP had more to offer than this guy.If we want promotion we need to search for someone better than this!!
Otherwise getting rid of AP was a mistake. Lets get the right guy who will see it through for the next 5 years.
mack chinnon
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11:07am Wed 1 Sep 10
mbetts
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11:08am Wed 1 Sep 10
Just when Saints fans could walk around with their head held a little higher than the past few years, this clown Cortese seems hell bent on stripping the club of any credibility, he'd better have a long term plan to bring in the right, high profile manager, because all he's doing at the moment is duplicating the same mistakes made by Lowe and his cronies.
SORT IT OUT CORTESE!
Littleton-Saint
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11:09am Wed 1 Sep 10
Red n White
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11:13am Wed 1 Sep 10
shaunparsons wrote:Paul Hart has apparently been offered the job according to Sky Sports News. However the bloke in charge of SSN is Rupert Murdoch who also owns the company that owns The Sun and we know how much The Sun likes Southampton at the moment. So i see it as a wind-up trying to get Saints fans to turn on NC and it seems to have worked looking at other posts/threads
I hear PAUL HART is the bookies first pick!! Please say this is not true. AP had more to offer than this guy.If we want promotion we need to search for someone better than this!! Otherwise getting rid of AP was a mistake. Lets get the right guy who will see it through for the next 5 years.
7saint7
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11:15am Wed 1 Sep 10
Saint Bean
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11:17am Wed 1 Sep 10
PPPlease not hart
OSPREYSAINT
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11:18am Wed 1 Sep 10
legod7
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11:23am Wed 1 Sep 10
This new manager,whoever it is,must have a better CV than AP,otherwise why sack him.
Did NC sack him just to show what a strong chairman he is. Surely not.These days one never knows.
The Wickham Man
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11:30am Wed 1 Sep 10
WestTottonSaint
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11:38am Wed 1 Sep 10
Lone Ranger
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11:38am Wed 1 Sep 10
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NC will make decisions that he feels are correct to move the club forward.
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Fortunately he will not be swayed by supporters who in the main have........ no idea of whats going on behind the scenes...........no idea how to run a multi-million pound business.
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He has said PL in 5 Years....let him get on and deliver.
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If he doesn't then have a go
Saintade
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11:40am Wed 1 Sep 10
JimmyLondon
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11:42am Wed 1 Sep 10
Please NC get a big name manager quickly before we are 10 points behind the other teams!
Saintsincethe60s
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11:44am Wed 1 Sep 10
Dean I am sure that you are doing your best under very difficult circumstances, but any one of us that was there last night must have been watching a different game than you, there were a number of players out there that looked totally disinterested (and I include Ricky as one of them) how DoPrado was kept on the pitch so long baffled me as all he seemed to do when passed the ball was pass it straight back to who gave it to him or to an opponent.
I hope and pray that NC has got something up his sleeve but he does need to stop treating his paying customers as mushrooms! there is only so much BS we can take.
Red n White
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11:44am Wed 1 Sep 10
The Wickham Man wrote:Good point. Imagine the money clubs would save if everyone was paid a small basic wage and then got high appearance and goal/clean sheet bonuses, so everyone will give 100% to get in the team and then do well whilst on the pitch and you're only really paying for 11-14 top player wages each game/week.
Part of the problem in professional football today is that very little of the player's wages is based on results. When I knew some of the players back in the nineties the win was important financially to men with young families and it showed in their atttude. If players sign contracts guaranteeing income regardless of whether they show up on the night or not this is what can happen. WHy do some people fall over themselves to blame anyone - Wilkins, Cortese, Pardew etc but exonerate the 11 or 14 who actually played so badly?
OSPREYSAINT
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11:49am Wed 1 Sep 10
Saint Bean wrote:We have all heard many different rumours, no doubt in the fullness of time, or in an exclusive News of the World scandal item, it will come to light, it is ok to speculate, but rather pointless. Our next game is home to Rochdale so how about a discussion on how we are going to pull things around to win this one, and who do think should play if fit? We know Barney is out after the dodgy red card, but Aaron Martin should replace Jedi, and Oxo should start, with Guly as the impact sub. but in a more central position. What do you think?
I did hear a ruhmour that AP walked because the signing of the new Brazilian dood was down NC and AP didnt want him. Take as you will comes from a reasonable source though. PPPlease not hart
Red&WhiteStripes
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11:50am Wed 1 Sep 10
I still have faith in NC. Herr Liebherr wouldn't have had so much time for him if he didn't have something up top and whilst he is new to this game, I don't think he is niave enough to sack a manager of AP calibre unless he had something up his sleeve. We must trust in his decision and respect it. Furthermore, he will have advisors supplying him with details of individuals etc. Whoever takes over we must get behind him 100%. Remember the old adage - "The King is dead - long live the King"? .
This business about it being Hart is plain rubbish - we know NC doesn't do his business in public - thus it's a smoke screen. I still anticipate a big-ish name, although I don't think it'll be MO'N or SGE!! I think Paul Jewell might be a good shout by the way. Proven at taking teams up to the Prem (BCFC and WAFC), although in fairness he seems to struggle once there perhaps.
Ted Rogers
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11:52am Wed 1 Sep 10
Saintade wrote:Of course he's rubbish - did nothing for Hull! You try being a manager of a grim North East club trying to stay in the premiership competing for signings with the likes of more affluent clubs that are able to offer players and their family better living environments. (Newcastle, M'boro, Sunderland - they all go the same way in the end)
My mate is a season ticket holder at Saints with me, but he's from Hull originally and his brother is a season ticket holder there. Verdict on Phil Brown? Rubbish manager.
Red n White
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Saintsincethe60s
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Red n White
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12:02pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Saintsincethe60s wrote:If he took over we may actually be able to beat Swindon for a change :)
Have a look at this - do you think Danny Wilson is trying to put himself in the frame? http://news.bbc.co.u k/sport1/hi/football /teams/s/swindon_tow n/8960086.stm
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Saint Bean
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12:08pm Wed 1 Sep 10
OSPREYSAINT wrote:Indeed a tricky one but i think Wilky will go with what he knows works. I also think Rochdale will be another all behind the ball outfit. But young alex up front might cause them probs cus hes nippy and agile so he might run through a few defendes legs lol. Not really seen much of guly he looks impresive but i have yet to see him in the flesh as it were, but like you say could be the impact sub. Whilst the jedi is not to zippy and his ball control is lacking not much gets past him in the air and therfore i would go with him to start but sub him if he starts to look a tired. Other than that as is. The best designs are always the simplest so im bettin on no fancy changes or new tactics.
Saint Bean wrote:We have all heard many different rumours, no doubt in the fullness of time, or in an exclusive News of the World scandal item, it will come to light, it is ok to speculate, but rather pointless. Our next game is home to Rochdale so how about a discussion on how we are going to pull things around to win this one, and who do think should play if fit? We know Barney is out after the dodgy red card, but Aaron Martin should replace Jedi, and Oxo should start, with Guly as the impact sub. but in a more central position. What do you think?
I did hear a ruhmour that AP walked because the signing of the new Brazilian dood was down NC and AP didnt want him. Take as you will comes from a reasonable source though. PPPlease not hart
Ron Manager
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12:09pm Wed 1 Sep 10
OSPREYSAINT wrote:OMG, I was there last night. Lambert was not interested, his body language was awful. Guly was awful, no wonder Pards walked if that was NC's signing. Jedi was slow and there was no control in the midfield. They just looked shocking. I just hope NC knows what he is doing as some of the team last night did not want to play. Get the manager in and use Pardew's loan signing plans to get the right and left wings sorted.
Saint Bean wrote:We have all heard many different rumours, no doubt in the fullness of time, or in an exclusive News of the World scandal item, it will come to light, it is ok to speculate, but rather pointless. Our next game is home to Rochdale so how about a discussion on how we are going to pull things around to win this one, and who do think should play if fit? We know Barney is out after the dodgy red card, but Aaron Martin should replace Jedi, and Oxo should start, with Guly as the impact sub. but in a more central position. What do you think?
I did hear a ruhmour that AP walked because the signing of the new Brazilian dood was down NC and AP didnt want him. Take as you will comes from a reasonable source though. PPPlease not hart
St Retford
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JimmyLondon
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JimmyLondon
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les1967
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chelseadad
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superbarrio
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2:46pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Balders76
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2:53pm Wed 1 Sep 10
superbarrio wrote:Oh get real. I went to Wembley but didn't go last night - does that make me a disgrace?
This shows the poor level of real support Saints have. 44,000 at wembley but when really needed less than 8,500. A total disgrace. All you so called fans who went to wembley.
RedArmy1
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2:57pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Technically, Dean Wilkins can only be a stand in Manager until the new Gaffer gets the job. There was a change around of players tonight ... and some of the first half looked promising with Gully having a few nice touches ... and although Connolly can pass and do link up play - he never looked liked scoring.. and the team missed Adam Lallana tonight.
Team Selection including the loss of Adam Lallana due to injury was not the strongest. Although Barnard and Rickie Lambert have not always clicked - judging on form this season I would have played Barnard or brought him on after half an hour or half time the latest to give fresh impetus to the team and nick a goal.
So 1-0 down and half time off Connolly and on Barnard - but it did not happen. When Barney did come on too late to influence the game he let his frustrations overspill and saw Red. Also having given Gully a run in the side would have taken him off ready for the League Game on Saturday.
Poor in the second half - and with Barnard now to miss some games and Lallana doubtful the Team are going to struggle to get goals - they needed to have signed a Striker with the money in the transfer window and offloaded Connolly at the end of last season.
Saints conceded tonight - similar to the corner scenario - ball whipped in by Swindon who had little of the ball at this point but were well organised and straight in the back of the net. That is one of their weaknesses. Balls in from the corner or the wings.
Players seemed to be in a strange mood tonight apart from Gully - they are professional and need to dig deep to now get results in the League.
Saints need to get the next appointment right - it is crucial to their success. He better be top quality based on what I have seen tonight.
northamrowcc
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3:00pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Saint Bean wrote:Was he playing last night he just looked like a bystander to me what a pleb absolute joke no wonder AP didn't want him Adi Dyer mark 2
I did hear a ruhmour that AP walked because the signing of the new Brazilian dood was down NC and AP didnt want him. Take as you will comes from a reasonable source though.
PPPlease not hart
SomersetSaint
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3:23pm Wed 1 Sep 10
superbarrio wrote:I think you'll find that well over 50,000 Saints fans went to Wembley and many of those were clearly casual fans and families. Therefore, if you look at other gates in the JPT last night, you'll find that 8,300+ was a good crowd (particularly in the circumstances).
This shows the poor level of real support Saints have. 44,000 at wembley but when really needed less than 8,500. A total disgrace. All you so called fans who went to wembley.
simmo 2
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3:38pm Wed 1 Sep 10
mister bus
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mister bus
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RedArmy1
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4:08pm Wed 1 Sep 10
The problem will be getting goals on Saturday - so Saints will have to play their strongest Team and be defensive and tight at the back - but being at home will still need to get forward and make chances.
Prediction : 0-0 Half Time 1-0 Saints Win Full Time.
To get the win the players are going to have to work extremely hard. They were tiring last night especially Dan Harding and that's why the third goal went in.
Team Selection:
Davis
Harding
Martin
Fonte
Butterfield
Note:
(1) Jaidi on the Bench
(2) Ryan Dickson on the Bench
(3) Dan Harding to improve his fitness for 90 minutes of intense football.
Gully
Schneiderlin
Hammond
Puncheon
Note :
(1) Lallana to play if fit.
(2) Gully not to play 90 minutes
(3) Puncheon off - if not delivering good football. (can be variable)
Lambert
Connolly
Note:
(1) No choice - Barnard misses game.
(2) Connolly can provide a good pass and as an option get a goal if lucky.
Alex Oxlade-C on the bench -on as a sub.
No suprises on Saturday - Rochdale are going to have corners and whip the ball in from the wings so 100 per cent concentration and keep a clean sheet.
Good Luck Rickie - Good Luck Saints
See you there !!
OSPREYSAINT
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4:08pm Wed 1 Sep 10
chelseadad wrote:Yeh but St. Mirren said they cannot actually afford him.
jose mourinho has just said he likes a challenge and wants the saints job.
Jesus_02
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4:39pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Especially considering we have about 14k season ticket holders and we regularly get over 20k for a league match.
In other words "superbarrio" is saying that the other 12k or so that normally turn up are a disgrace?!?!?
Wembley was a fun day out, but 1-1 at Exeter was as well so grow up a bit?
Did you go to Hartlepool "superfan"
Jasper7
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4:50pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Ha ha ha ha ha
superbarrio
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5:51pm Wed 1 Sep 10
This_Barren_Land
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7:04pm Wed 1 Sep 10
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I believe the first chant for "Alan Pardew Red and White army" was started after ONLY 2 mins and 41 seconds (I timed it).
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It was started by somebody in Block 43 Row S or T.
SHAME ON YOU ! Do support the PLAYERS or an ex-manager who only had one plan ?
northamrowcc
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7:23pm Wed 1 Sep 10
This_Barren_Land wrote:I wish it was me, I do not share your view along with a lot of fans' I find it hard to comprehend why you think your view only counts AP should not have been sacked, I have been told that the Brazilian Postman was brought by NC not AP and after the game on saturday NC text AP and asked why he didn't put him on earlier on this showing we can see why Guly Dyer,Adi's brother
With reference to "On numerous occasions, Saints fans were chanting the name of Pardew and the cries only got louder as the night went on. "
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I believe the first chant for "Alan Pardew Red and White army" was started after ONLY 2 mins and 41 seconds (I timed it).
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It was started by somebody in Block 43 Row S or T.
SHAME ON YOU ! Do support the PLAYERS or an ex-manager who only had one plan ?
northamrowcc
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7:32pm Wed 1 Sep 10
chelseadad wrote:Yeh I suppose he would but we don't, he can't buy success here it would take hard graft, he might break a fingernail
jose mourinho has just said he likes a challenge and wants the saints job.
mummsie
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8:47pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Spirit of 58
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9:28pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Don't boo the boo boys unless you were there last night and saw the passion and frustration of the die hards. NC wants to run it as a business then listen to your customers .
I will be there Saturday for the next thrilling installment of the Saints soap opera - smile for the camera lads
northamrowcc
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10:29pm Wed 1 Sep 10
Spirit of 58 wrote:He must stop interfering in things he knows nothing about and NC get the chairs back hospitality is nothing if you can't sit down
Anyone but Keegan and his entourage
Don't boo the boo boys unless you were there last night and saw the passion and frustration of the die hards. NC wants to run it as a business then listen to your customers .
I will be there Saturday for the next thrilling installment of the Saints soap opera - smile for the camera lads
RedArmy1
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11:39pm Wed 1 Sep 10
It could cost the club goals and points which could be crucial at the end of the Season as Saints go for Automatic Promotion.
It has definitely reduced the options for Saturday with team selection especially with Adam Lallana injured. Lee has worked hard this season over the last couple of games.
Barnard declared recently he wanted to be Top scorer - this will not help him with Saints only involved in the League and some future FA Cup Games and being out for a couple of games due to his Red.
Dean Wilkins thought that the Red Card was harsh - it that is the case then the Club should appeal against it.
The truth is that Lee was very worked up at the beginning of the game on Tuesday - his shooting practice sent many a ball over the bar. He did not look happy at half time - I expected him to be getting ready to come on. I can understand that he was feeling hard done by not playing - he has grafted and delivered a goal at Bristol Rovers and the blending play with Rickie has improved from last season.
Lee Barnard does score goals and works hard on and off the ball (delivering so much more than Connolly) so he is important to Saints.
Whereas players that go over the top can receive a fine from the Club - A Top Manager would have recognised the signs and had a 'word' to calm him down and channel his energy into goal-scoring as a Striker. Managers must get to know their players and nuture their talents. (Basics really)
Lee can do a job for Saints whether he starts every game or comes on as a Sub - I hope he achieves the target he has set himself. It can only be good news for SFC.
Look forward to seeing him back in action soon. Nobody wants to change his talent or style of play - he needs looking after and not sure he got that support on Tuesday.
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