Southampton's Jason Puncheon going on loan to Millwall

Jason Puncheon

Jason Puncheon

First published in Saints News

JASON Puncheon will join Millwall in a surprise loan move until January.

The midfielder has fallen out of favour at Saints and is switching to the Lions this week.

Puncheon is understood to be targeting Saturday’s Championship trip to Middlesbrough for his Millwall debut.

The 24-year-old was given permission yesterday by Saints boss Nigel Adkins to speak to the London side, who are on the lookout for attack-minded players before the loan window closes next week.

Croydon-born Puncheon will arrive at the New Den with a view to a permanent move if all goes well.

The winger has lost his place in the Saints side in recent weeks to teenage star Alex Chamberlain.

Puncheon has been an unused substitute in two of the last three matches – and wasn’t even in the squad for the 2-0 FA Cup win over Shrewsbury.

The last time he started a game was in the 3-1 victory at Notts County last month.

On that occasion, Puncheon was hauled off for Richard Chaplow in the 69th minute.

Barring any last minute hitches, that looks like it could be the last time he pulls on a Saints shirt.

Puncheon signed for the club in January on an undisclosed fee, thought to be about £250,000, from Plymouth.

He started 19 league games under Alan Pardew last season, scoring three times.

However, Puncheon has struggled with his form on occasions during the current campaign and, in 17 appearances, he has failed to find the net.

The emergence of 17-year-old Chamberlain has also come at the wrong time for him.

Adkins has been using the lightning-fast winger more and more – and for good reason.

Chamberlain, son of former England wideman Mark, has already netted five times this season.

And four of those goals have come in Saints’ last five matches.

Puncheon started his career as a youngster at Wimbledon and was part of the club when it was dragged kicking and screaming to Milton Keynes.

After struggling to come to terms with that move, Puncheon joined Barnet, where manager Paul Fairclough helped get his career back on track.

That led to a transfer to Plymouth in 2008, for a £250,000 fee.

Things didn’t work out well at Home Park, but an extended loan spell back at MK Dons under then manager Paul Ince helped reignite his form.

That proved enough for Pardew to decide to bring him into St Mary’s at the end of the January transfer window.

But Puncheon’s stay at St Mary’s now looks as if it will end up lasting less than a year.

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11:39pm Tue 16 Nov 10

SaintSuccess says...

Interesting....
Interesting.... SaintSuccess
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12:04am Wed 17 Nov 10

happysaint says...

strange one but glad to see him go , results have improved without him in the side and to greedy with the ball most times but you watch what kind of player he'll turn out to be , every player seems to score hatfulls of goals when they leave us
strange one but glad to see him go , results have improved without him in the side and to greedy with the ball most times but you watch what kind of player he'll turn out to be , every player seems to score hatfulls of goals when they leave us happysaint
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12:06am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

WTF!!!!

This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship??

Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????
WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him????? saints til i die
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12:48am Wed 17 Nov 10

bazza says...

I'm with the above statement.Beyound belief if you ask me,How can this be a positive move for Saints?.
Yes we know he frustrates us probably more then most players but without doubt he can be a very good player.
How many more players are going to fall out with this manager,and find themselves not playing again for us.
I think this is a very strange move indeed.
He's not the first player to move up a level and get more games to a team in the championship is he.
strange one if you ask me
I'm with the above statement.Beyound belief if you ask me,How can this be a positive move for Saints?. Yes we know he frustrates us probably more then most players but without doubt he can be a very good player. How many more players are going to fall out with this manager,and find themselves not playing again for us. I think this is a very strange move indeed. He's not the first player to move up a level and get more games to a team in the championship is he. strange one if you ask me bazza
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1:33am Wed 17 Nov 10

Family Bloke says...

If he shoot's at the New Den he might score at St Mary's.

Glad to see him go, he's not the best we have and I think he will not be missed, although I struggling to see why Millwall want him, his shooting is more akin to Johnny Wilkinson and he never release's the ball to others in better positions or goalscoring opportunities
If he shoot's at the New Den he might score at St Mary's. Glad to see him go, he's not the best we have and I think he will not be missed, although I struggling to see why Millwall want him, his shooting is more akin to Johnny Wilkinson and he never release's the ball to others in better positions or goalscoring opportunities Family Bloke
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3:22am Wed 17 Nov 10

mack chinnon says...

That will please a lot of people.
That will please a lot of people. mack chinnon
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4:42am Wed 17 Nov 10

White and red till dead says...

Seems to be a consistent theme emerging - "...things didn't work out for him..."
Seems to be a consistent theme emerging - "...things didn't work out for him..." White and red till dead
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7:37am Wed 17 Nov 10

Telephone says...

Even though I'm not Puncheon's greatest fan, we do need cover. Maybe someone is coming in on loan. Strange how players who aren't good enough for us join Championship teams, eg Gillett, Thomas and Mills.
Even though I'm not Puncheon's greatest fan, we do need cover. Maybe someone is coming in on loan. Strange how players who aren't good enough for us join Championship teams, eg Gillett, Thomas and Mills. Telephone
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7:44am Wed 17 Nov 10

Gossie. says...

Young Oxo is already a much more rounded player than Punchy. No point him festering on our bench.
Does this mean that we will be signing Guly in January.
Young Oxo is already a much more rounded player than Punchy. No point him festering on our bench. Does this mean that we will be signing Guly in January. Gossie.
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7:54am Wed 17 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

mack chinnon wrote:
That will please a lot of people.
Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January!
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: That will please a lot of people.[/p][/quote]Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January! Seedhouse the Sequel
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8:06am Wed 17 Nov 10

franiow says...

A lot of people thought he wasn't good enough, but the whole team seemed slightly off from last year. He is a good player, definately for League 1, and obviously Millwall agree. I was pleased to have him in the squad and wouldn't be worried if he was named in starting eleven. Quite frankly amazed.
A lot of people thought he wasn't good enough, but the whole team seemed slightly off from last year. He is a good player, definately for League 1, and obviously Millwall agree. I was pleased to have him in the squad and wouldn't be worried if he was named in starting eleven. Quite frankly amazed. franiow
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8:31am Wed 17 Nov 10

franiow says...

Thought about it (always a good idea). This was a good opportunity for Puncheon and NA, being an honest sort of guy, couldn't promise him that his chances would improve at Saints. This would be especially true if NA has an eye on other players in January. Punch is young and I hope he grabs this new chance. Best of luck to him.
Thought about it (always a good idea). This was a good opportunity for Puncheon and NA, being an honest sort of guy, couldn't promise him that his chances would improve at Saints. This would be especially true if NA has an eye on other players in January. Punch is young and I hope he grabs this new chance. Best of luck to him. franiow
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8:37am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
That will please a lot of people.
Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January!
You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone???

I can't think of many other reasons.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: That will please a lot of people.[/p][/quote]Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January![/p][/quote]You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons. saints til i die
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8:40am Wed 17 Nov 10

Saint Bean says...

Not sure what to think but you can be sure the Godfather's got somethin up his sleeve. I understand that not all of available transfer money was spent in the summer so i rekon there's may be a few commings and goings in Jan. Its nearly speculation season again. Bring it on COYR
Not sure what to think but you can be sure the Godfather's got somethin up his sleeve. I understand that not all of available transfer money was spent in the summer so i rekon there's may be a few commings and goings in Jan. Its nearly speculation season again. Bring it on COYR Saint Bean
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8:49am Wed 17 Nov 10

hedge end bob says...

Do you all remember FERNANDAZ?. Punchy to me is a younger model. Top class one minute but the next..... nobody knew where he was going with the ball. To me he has the skill to be good but does not have the footballing brain. Its no good being the best player on the field if you cant see when to release the ball at the right time to another player in a better position . Good luck to the lad no one can say we hav'nt noticed him while he was here not like Tony Pullis.
Do you all remember FERNANDAZ?. Punchy to me is a younger model. Top class one minute but the next..... nobody knew where he was going with the ball. To me he has the skill to be good but does not have the footballing brain. Its no good being the best player on the field if you cant see when to release the ball at the right time to another player in a better position . Good luck to the lad no one can say we hav'nt noticed him while he was here not like Tony Pullis. hedge end bob
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8:50am Wed 17 Nov 10

TurnerChannonMcCalliogStokes says...

This could be the first of several highish-profile departures. NA has made it clear he's not happy with certain people in the squad. January could be very busy.
This could be the first of several highish-profile departures. NA has made it clear he's not happy with certain people in the squad. January could be very busy. TurnerChannonMcCalliogStokes
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8:56am Wed 17 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

saints til i die wrote:
WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????
Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position.
[quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????[/p][/quote]Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position. frenchsaint
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8:59am Wed 17 Nov 10

Ferray says...

Someone put earlier Puncheon's form has dipped since Pardew's sacking. I think someone might not attend matches!
Puncheon has been awful ALL season, and wasn't all that good last season. He started off electrifying, and plymouth fans warned us that as soon as he hits the 7/8 game mark it will go. And sure it did! He's no more than average for us now, as a post stated earlier he's a modern day Fabrice.
Alex is cementing his place in the first team, so we do need cover but Puncheon wasn't ever going to set the world alight as a sub as he would be in a mood.
Will be interesting to see where we go from here, and it's good to see Adkins is stamping his authority, if you're not going to play well then you will not play at all
Someone put earlier Puncheon's form has dipped since Pardew's sacking. I think someone might not attend matches! Puncheon has been awful ALL season, and wasn't all that good last season. He started off electrifying, and plymouth fans warned us that as soon as he hits the 7/8 game mark it will go. And sure it did! He's no more than average for us now, as a post stated earlier he's a modern day Fabrice. Alex is cementing his place in the first team, so we do need cover but Puncheon wasn't ever going to set the world alight as a sub as he would be in a mood. Will be interesting to see where we go from here, and it's good to see Adkins is stamping his authority, if you're not going to play well then you will not play at all Ferray
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9:03am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

frenchsaint wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????
Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position.
Only one of those players is a right winger. And he already players there!

Are you dumb?
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????[/p][/quote]Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position.[/p][/quote]Only one of those players is a right winger. And he already players there! Are you dumb? saints til i die
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9:04am Wed 17 Nov 10

nicola cortese is god says...

thank jesus for that.
that bloke was a joke.shooting was terrible,his corner taking was the worst ive ever seen.
do we want rubbish like that at our club?
we need to start thinking big time now.
thank jesus for that. that bloke was a joke.shooting was terrible,his corner taking was the worst ive ever seen. do we want rubbish like that at our club? we need to start thinking big time now. nicola cortese is god
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9:04am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

saints til i die wrote:
frenchsaint wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????
Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position.
Only one of those players is a right winger. And he already players there!

Are you dumb?
*plays

d'oh!
[quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: WTF!!!! This is a bad move for both saints and millwall. He's got potential to be a really good player for saints (well it seemed that way last season!). But this season he can't even perform in league 1, so how's he gonna do better in the championship?? Massive shock to be honest, who's gonna come in to replace him?????[/p][/quote]Judged on results rather than his style he will be replaced by Oxy,Connolly,Holmes or Guly in that order without any new signing. Save our money to fill a more important position.[/p][/quote]Only one of those players is a right winger. And he already players there! Are you dumb?[/p][/quote]*plays d'oh! saints til i die
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9:10am Wed 17 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

No.
Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week. frenchsaint
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9:14am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

frenchsaint wrote:
No.
Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
LOL

Lallana is a one off. You're crazy!
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.[/p][/quote]LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy! saints til i die
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9:23am Wed 17 Nov 10

nicola cortese is god says...

saints til i die wrote:
frenchsaint wrote:
No.
Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
LOL

Lallana is a one off. You're crazy!
end of the day puncheon is a disgrace.
he cannot take a corner.
his shooting is awfull
he is weak
runs up his own arshavin.
if you think he is good,your crazy.we need to think big time now.
[quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.[/p][/quote]LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy![/p][/quote]end of the day puncheon is a disgrace. he cannot take a corner. his shooting is awfull he is weak runs up his own arshavin. if you think he is good,your crazy.we need to think big time now. nicola cortese is god
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9:24am Wed 17 Nov 10

franiow says...

I hope NA is allowed to bring players in in January a) because we need them and b) because we will then see where he is going. He's got something out of the present team but now knows where we're light. Noted that Karen Brady (talking about West Ham) said getting rid of your manager was the most expensive thing you could do, so I hope there's a fair bit of money left.
I hope NA is allowed to bring players in in January a) because we need them and b) because we will then see where he is going. He's got something out of the present team but now knows where we're light. Noted that Karen Brady (talking about West Ham) said getting rid of your manager was the most expensive thing you could do, so I hope there's a fair bit of money left. franiow
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9:27am Wed 17 Nov 10

franiow says...

Puncheon is not a disgrace..he's off form and doesn't fit in with our team. He's now Millwall's problem (though it's only a month's loan) and good luck to him.
Puncheon is not a disgrace..he's off form and doesn't fit in with our team. He's now Millwall's problem (though it's only a month's loan) and good luck to him. franiow
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9:28am Wed 17 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

saints til i die wrote:
frenchsaint wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy!
It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us.
Is that a D I see on your hat.?
I rest my case M'lud.
[quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.[/p][/quote]LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy![/p][/quote]It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us. Is that a D I see on your hat.? I rest my case M'lud. frenchsaint
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9:31am Wed 17 Nov 10

St.Yorkie says...

Strange how our rejects can automatically step up to The Championship - isn't it?
I think Puncheon was never played in the right position for us - not sure what that is though!
His shooting was awful on the match day - I wonder if things didn't work for him. That seems to be the story of his career at Plymouth and MK Dons. To easily distracted or gets bored?
Good luck - I expect him to set The Championship on fire now!
Strange how our rejects can automatically step up to The Championship - isn't it? I think Puncheon was never played in the right position for us - not sure what that is though! His shooting was awful on the match day - I wonder if things didn't work for him. That seems to be the story of his career at Plymouth and MK Dons. To easily distracted or gets bored? Good luck - I expect him to set The Championship on fire now! St.Yorkie
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9:34am Wed 17 Nov 10

LE BIG HOOTER says...

Dunno what all the fuss is about ?!?
.
He came here and did 'alright' last year, and this season has been frankly pants !!
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Nigel Adkins is clearly starting to mold his own squad and work shy, luxury players like Puncheon won't fit in.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned that Butterfield can also play right midfield, having done so at Palace.
.
Fingers crossed that that NA is readyin some new blood in Jan to aid the promotion push.
.
Crack on Nige !!!
Dunno what all the fuss is about ?!? . He came here and did 'alright' last year, and this season has been frankly pants !! . Nigel Adkins is clearly starting to mold his own squad and work shy, luxury players like Puncheon won't fit in. . Nobody seems to have mentioned that Butterfield can also play right midfield, having done so at Palace. . Fingers crossed that that NA is readyin some new blood in Jan to aid the promotion push. . Crack on Nige !!! LE BIG HOOTER
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9:45am Wed 17 Nov 10

saints til i die says...

frenchsaint wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
frenchsaint wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy!
It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us.
Is that a D I see on your hat.?
I rest my case M'lud.
We haven't got time to mess about playing players out of position, trying something new!! Someone else will almost definitely come in. Oh and why would we be trying to save money by not signing another player on loan to cover the position???????

I see a D on your head! Ending with a K and has IC in the middle.
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.[/p][/quote]LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy![/p][/quote]It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us. Is that a D I see on your hat.? I rest my case M'lud.[/p][/quote]We haven't got time to mess about playing players out of position, trying something new!! Someone else will almost definitely come in. Oh and why would we be trying to save money by not signing another player on loan to cover the position??????? I see a D on your head! Ending with a K and has IC in the middle. saints til i die
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10:02am Wed 17 Nov 10

saintsayer says...

Cover on the left of mid-field will be provided by Ryan Dickson I thought he played well with Harding First choice is Adam and AOC but if either is ubfit suspended or just Knackered in the last 20 RD can do the job
Cover on the left of mid-field will be provided by Ryan Dickson I thought he played well with Harding First choice is Adam and AOC but if either is ubfit suspended or just Knackered in the last 20 RD can do the job saintsayer
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10:04am Wed 17 Nov 10

miltonarchers says...

NA is right to ship out some of AP's buys. I dont rate Guly, in the cup game v the Shrews Guly had an opportunity to shine but failed, get shot of him as well.

Now NA get in some of your own players pronto
NA is right to ship out some of AP's buys. I dont rate Guly, in the cup game v the Shrews Guly had an opportunity to shine but failed, get shot of him as well. Now NA get in some of your own players pronto miltonarchers
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10:07am Wed 17 Nov 10

Folkestone Saint says...

frenchsaint wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
frenchsaint wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.
LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy!
It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us. Is that a D I see on your hat.? I rest my case M'lud.
Well said Frenchy, but don't expect an apology as he only dishes and never takes.
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: No. Since when was Lallana a left winger yet he's picked there every week.[/p][/quote]LOL Lallana is a one off. You're crazy![/p][/quote]It might interest you to know that Puncheon is not a right winger, he is described in the Saints profile page as a Midfielder, and had played a lot of his career on the left before he joined us. Is that a D I see on your hat.? I rest my case M'lud.[/p][/quote]Well said Frenchy, but don't expect an apology as he only dishes and never takes. Folkestone Saint
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10:23am Wed 17 Nov 10

Alicesdad says...

miltonarchers wrote:
NA is right to ship out some of AP's buys. I dont rate Guly, in the cup game v the Shrews Guly had an opportunity to shine but failed, get shot of him as well. Now NA get in some of your own players pronto
I agree. NA needs to make the team his own and January will surely see some transfer action.

I also think that our Chief Executive will be watching costs.. as indeed he should ... he will no doubt set targets for each player to deliver some tangible value and not build up a squad of highly paid passengers. (The last manager had a reputation for that elsewhere).

This move looks like good business to me. We want players who come to the club, add real value quickly and who prove they are worth the investment long term.

I'm not sure about Guly either but time will tell and I'm sure he will not stay if he doesn't deliver.

It's a ruthless world.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarchers[/bold] wrote: NA is right to ship out some of AP's buys. I dont rate Guly, in the cup game v the Shrews Guly had an opportunity to shine but failed, get shot of him as well. Now NA get in some of your own players pronto[/p][/quote]I agree. NA needs to make the team his own and January will surely see some transfer action. I also think that our Chief Executive will be watching costs.. as indeed he should ... he will no doubt set targets for each player to deliver some tangible value and not build up a squad of highly paid passengers. (The last manager had a reputation for that elsewhere). This move looks like good business to me. We want players who come to the club, add real value quickly and who prove they are worth the investment long term. I'm not sure about Guly either but time will tell and I'm sure he will not stay if he doesn't deliver. It's a ruthless world. Alicesdad
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10:24am Wed 17 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

saints til i die wrote:
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
mack chinnon wrote: That will please a lot of people.
Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January!
You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.
Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!?

In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct.
[quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: That will please a lot of people.[/p][/quote]Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January![/p][/quote]You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.[/p][/quote]Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!? In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct. Seedhouse the Sequel
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10:34am Wed 17 Nov 10

BlandfordSaint says...

As always with the Saints we have a great first XI but cannot attract or retain squad players which is exactley what Punch was. Ox, Butters and Adam can play on the right - Adam, Lee Holmes and Ryan Dickson on the Left. We just need to start to our full capacity and believe. COYR.
As always with the Saints we have a great first XI but cannot attract or retain squad players which is exactley what Punch was. Ox, Butters and Adam can play on the right - Adam, Lee Holmes and Ryan Dickson on the Left. We just need to start to our full capacity and believe. COYR. BlandfordSaint
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10:39am Wed 17 Nov 10

keegans perm says...

seems like a victory for the st marys booh boys who have unjustifiably targetted him. also leaves us short of cover and also means that adkins is is danger of over playing young chamberlain, which he said he wanted to avoid. apart from that, a good move!
seems like a victory for the st marys booh boys who have unjustifiably targetted him. also leaves us short of cover and also means that adkins is is danger of over playing young chamberlain, which he said he wanted to avoid. apart from that, a good move! keegans perm
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10:45am Wed 17 Nov 10

franiow says...

Only guessing but I think move probably originated from Puncheon (and nothing wrong with that, it's his career). NA would probably consider him good as a squad player, but was unable to promise him more games. In which case, some money's been freed up (unless he comes back after one month).
Only guessing but I think move probably originated from Puncheon (and nothing wrong with that, it's his career). NA would probably consider him good as a squad player, but was unable to promise him more games. In which case, some money's been freed up (unless he comes back after one month). franiow
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10:51am Wed 17 Nov 10

Longstock says...

keegans perm wrote:
seems like a victory for the st marys booh boys who have unjustifiably targetted him. also leaves us short of cover and also means that adkins is is danger of over playing young chamberlain, which he said he wanted to avoid. apart from that, a good move!
This is nothing to do with the boo boys. This is everything to do with Puncheon.

He was ineffective and not doing what he was told. It is alleged he had a coming together with our Assistant Manager and from that moment his move was inevitable.

He was being carried by some on the pitch. Also there was no end product.
[quote][p][bold]keegans perm[/bold] wrote: seems like a victory for the st marys booh boys who have unjustifiably targetted him. also leaves us short of cover and also means that adkins is is danger of over playing young chamberlain, which he said he wanted to avoid. apart from that, a good move![/p][/quote]This is nothing to do with the boo boys. This is everything to do with Puncheon. He was ineffective and not doing what he was told. It is alleged he had a coming together with our Assistant Manager and from that moment his move was inevitable. He was being carried by some on the pitch. Also there was no end product. Longstock
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10:58am Wed 17 Nov 10

Shuan Li says...

I never booed him, but i never cheered him either. He never gave me anything to cheer about. He's been woeful this season. Outclassed by Oxy.
I never booed him, but i never cheered him either. He never gave me anything to cheer about. He's been woeful this season. Outclassed by Oxy. Shuan Li
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11:02am Wed 17 Nov 10

St Retford says...

Um, are we not getting a bit carried away with all this speculation? He's only going on loan for a month and a half, during which time he may well learn a thing or two and then come back to us a better player. I think it makes sense for everyone.
Um, are we not getting a bit carried away with all this speculation? He's only going on loan for a month and a half, during which time he may well learn a thing or two and then come back to us a better player. I think it makes sense for everyone. St Retford
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11:07am Wed 17 Nov 10

nate4456 says...

we are in mid table in league 1 yet we are loaning our fringe players to higher division clubs? before we start doing that we need to get up the table i mean i no were doing OK but its coming up to the half way point already were not even in the play off's and sorry for being negative but play off's is not a achievement for me and it seems that's what were aiming for now but still COME ON SAINTS im hopeful of a 3 nill win against the posh :)
we are in mid table in league 1 yet we are loaning our fringe players to higher division clubs? before we start doing that we need to get up the table i mean i no were doing OK but its coming up to the half way point already were not even in the play off's and sorry for being negative but play off's is not a achievement for me and it seems that's what were aiming for now but still COME ON SAINTS im hopeful of a 3 nill win against the posh :) nate4456
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11:09am Wed 17 Nov 10

LE BIG HOOTER says...

St Retford wrote:
Um, are we not getting a bit carried away with all this speculation? He's only going on loan for a month and a half, during which time he may well learn a thing or two and then come back to us a better player. I think it makes sense for everyone.
I think that we've seen the last of Puncheon.
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He'll go there and try real hard for a few weeks to land a contract and we'll then see similar reports to those relating to his performances for Saints this year, propbably before the end of the season.
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In the main, clearly not much disappointment showing.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Um, are we not getting a bit carried away with all this speculation? He's only going on loan for a month and a half, during which time he may well learn a thing or two and then come back to us a better player. I think it makes sense for everyone.[/p][/quote]I think that we've seen the last of Puncheon. . He'll go there and try real hard for a few weeks to land a contract and we'll then see similar reports to those relating to his performances for Saints this year, propbably before the end of the season. . In the main, clearly not much disappointment showing. LE BIG HOOTER
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11:23am Wed 17 Nov 10

redsnapper says...

let him go- his style of play is very predictable and limited and he has been found out in this Division

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let him go- his style of play is very predictable and limited and he has been found out in this Division . redsnapper
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11:29am Wed 17 Nov 10

Paul Lucas says...

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
mack chinnon wrote: That will please a lot of people.
Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January!
You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.
Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!?

In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct.
Puncheon played well under AP when he first arrived but somehow drifted off and started holding the ball for too long and as some have said here, his shots on goal, corners etc were pretty bad and once everybody started to boo him etc. he was never going to turn it round. Seems like a guy who could be moody and that would affect his game. I wish him luck in his career as he does have the potential to be a good footballer.

Seedhouse - where did you write about the training session - I'd like to read that if you can point me in the right direction.

COYRS !!! Auto promo 2010!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: That will please a lot of people.[/p][/quote]Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January![/p][/quote]You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.[/p][/quote]Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!? In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct.[/p][/quote]Puncheon played well under AP when he first arrived but somehow drifted off and started holding the ball for too long and as some have said here, his shots on goal, corners etc were pretty bad and once everybody started to boo him etc. he was never going to turn it round. Seems like a guy who could be moody and that would affect his game. I wish him luck in his career as he does have the potential to be a good footballer. Seedhouse - where did you write about the training session - I'd like to read that if you can point me in the right direction. COYRS !!! Auto promo 2010! Paul Lucas
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11:37am Wed 17 Nov 10

WobblyCat says...

LE BIG HOOTER wrote:
Dunno what all the fuss is about ?!? . He came here and did 'alright' last year, and this season has been frankly pants !! . Nigel Adkins is clearly starting to mold his own squad and work shy, luxury players like Puncheon won't fit in. . Nobody seems to have mentioned that Butterfield can also play right midfield, having done so at Palace. . Fingers crossed that that NA is readyin some new blood in Jan to aid the promotion push. . Crack on Nige !!!
I agree, he wasn't so good that we'd miss him. I don't care if Millwall think he's a championship player, he didn't do it here thats all that matters. It's whats in the tin not whats on it!!
[quote][p][bold]LE BIG HOOTER[/bold] wrote: Dunno what all the fuss is about ?!? . He came here and did 'alright' last year, and this season has been frankly pants !! . Nigel Adkins is clearly starting to mold his own squad and work shy, luxury players like Puncheon won't fit in. . Nobody seems to have mentioned that Butterfield can also play right midfield, having done so at Palace. . Fingers crossed that that NA is readyin some new blood in Jan to aid the promotion push. . Crack on Nige !!![/p][/quote]I agree, he wasn't so good that we'd miss him. I don't care if Millwall think he's a championship player, he didn't do it here thats all that matters. It's whats in the tin not whats on it!! WobblyCat
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11:58am Wed 17 Nov 10

Sainty saint saint says...

Don't miss Pulis, don't miss Wotton, won't miss Puncheon.

I think NA is clearing out some unnecessary costs in order ot make room for his own acquisitions - every new manager does this.

I expect he knows what he's being given to spend in Jan, and has been told that if he wants any more, he'll have to clear out some current players. It's a matter of conjecture as to how much the figure he's being given is...
Don't miss Pulis, don't miss Wotton, won't miss Puncheon. I think NA is clearing out some unnecessary costs in order ot make room for his own acquisitions - every new manager does this. I expect he knows what he's being given to spend in Jan, and has been told that if he wants any more, he'll have to clear out some current players. It's a matter of conjecture as to how much the figure he's being given is... Sainty saint saint
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12:19pm Wed 17 Nov 10

saintkenny says...

trouble with jason ,hes only good when running at defences wide in space ,he just isint versatile enough .dont keep the ball that well ,chaplow is far better .another winger would be better who can play through the middle ,cover for sniderlin and chaplow is the key to getting out of this league .if it was the choice of antonio or punh i would of got rid of him then
trouble with jason ,hes only good when running at defences wide in space ,he just isint versatile enough .dont keep the ball that well ,chaplow is far better .another winger would be better who can play through the middle ,cover for sniderlin and chaplow is the key to getting out of this league .if it was the choice of antonio or punh i would of got rid of him then saintkenny
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12:28pm Wed 17 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

Yes, it does rather look as though NA is acting in good time for the Jan. transfer window; better to pass on the players you don't see as necessary to your plans now than attempting it on Jan.1st.
The 'war chest' so built up should see action early in the window rather than late for once. I hope so anyway. Perhaps everyone can start speculating now......I'm sure there will be plenty of advice offered up.
As so far 3 midfielders have been moved on it seems pretty certain that one or two fresh faces will appear there.
How are Scunthorpe doing.?
It won't be anyone from Man.U.
Liverpool under new owners and manager might be having a clearout.
Le fondre must be in many a managers sights.
Has Pitman played 1st. team football since he moved in the summer.?
There will be a long list on these pages but a short one in NA's head I predict.
Yes, it does rather look as though NA is acting in good time for the Jan. transfer window; better to pass on the players you don't see as necessary to your plans now than attempting it on Jan.1st. The 'war chest' so built up should see action early in the window rather than late for once. I hope so anyway. Perhaps everyone can start speculating now......I'm sure there will be plenty of advice offered up. As so far 3 midfielders have been moved on it seems pretty certain that one or two fresh faces will appear there. How are Scunthorpe doing.? It won't be anyone from Man.U. Liverpool under new owners and manager might be having a clearout. Le fondre must be in many a managers sights. Has Pitman played 1st. team football since he moved in the summer.? There will be a long list on these pages but a short one in NA's head I predict. frenchsaint
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12:31pm Wed 17 Nov 10

allsaintsnocurves says...

Players go out on loan all the time what's the problem. This is a good move for Saints as we have Chamberlain who I wouldn't swap for any right sided player in league 1 or the Championship and is in the team playing well and scoring! Puncheon has lost his way and maybe is not showing enough in training to warrant his place back.

This is the managers call and if he feels the player will benefit from going on loan then this is the best call. If we get any injuries then i'm sure we can re-call him. Puncheon has no right foot and is a lot more predictable.

With the options that Saints have on the right we could play Richardson there with Butterfield at right back, Lallana can play there, Prado too and Chamberlain and maybe there's some other youngsters coming through the ranks.
Players go out on loan all the time what's the problem. This is a good move for Saints as we have Chamberlain who I wouldn't swap for any right sided player in league 1 or the Championship and is in the team playing well and scoring! Puncheon has lost his way and maybe is not showing enough in training to warrant his place back. This is the managers call and if he feels the player will benefit from going on loan then this is the best call. If we get any injuries then i'm sure we can re-call him. Puncheon has no right foot and is a lot more predictable. With the options that Saints have on the right we could play Richardson there with Butterfield at right back, Lallana can play there, Prado too and Chamberlain and maybe there's some other youngsters coming through the ranks. allsaintsnocurves
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1:08pm Wed 17 Nov 10

christian-saint says...

Puncheon was awesome at points last season (hence was included in the League 1 Team of the year) but has been woefull this season. Weird!! Saying that - I'm worried about Southampton's (Ex) Goal Machine. 36 Goals last season and a similar amount the season before yet 2 or 3 from open play this season!! Anyone know why Ricke has been so poor by his standards? Once the first name on the team sheet, now I would be happy to see him on the bench. I actually think his prolonged dip in form is the main reason we are not top of the league. If we could add his 2 goals every 3 games that he scored last season into this team we would be flying!
Puncheon was awesome at points last season (hence was included in the League 1 Team of the year) but has been woefull this season. Weird!! Saying that - I'm worried about Southampton's (Ex) Goal Machine. 36 Goals last season and a similar amount the season before yet 2 or 3 from open play this season!! Anyone know why Ricke has been so poor by his standards? Once the first name on the team sheet, now I would be happy to see him on the bench. I actually think his prolonged dip in form is the main reason we are not top of the league. If we could add his 2 goals every 3 games that he scored last season into this team we would be flying! christian-saint
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1:09pm Wed 17 Nov 10

forcaster says...

FERRAY OF HAMBLE. A lot of the time you talk a lot of sence.Should you not consider that another player namely Lambert should also be shipped out on loan?What has he contributed to the cause this season???????????
FERRAY OF HAMBLE. A lot of the time you talk a lot of sence.Should you not consider that another player namely Lambert should also be shipped out on loan?What has he contributed to the cause this season??????????? forcaster
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1:30pm Wed 17 Nov 10

bweaver89 says...

What has happened to our team since last season. We used to be exciting to watch under Pardew. Punch is a good player just out of form, will be annoyed if we dont get a good replacement (Holmes, Guly are not good enough, at least not as good as Antonio and Papa we had last season). As for Ricky, only a fool would loan him out, hes not been scoring too many so far but he been providing constantly.
What has happened to our team since last season. We used to be exciting to watch under Pardew. Punch is a good player just out of form, will be annoyed if we dont get a good replacement (Holmes, Guly are not good enough, at least not as good as Antonio and Papa we had last season). As for Ricky, only a fool would loan him out, hes not been scoring too many so far but he been providing constantly. bweaver89
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2:11pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Rowester says...

This could lead the way for nigel adkins to bring in martyn woolford from former club scunthorpe.
This could lead the way for nigel adkins to bring in martyn woolford from former club scunthorpe. Rowester
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2:21pm Wed 17 Nov 10

upthe says...

Last season we played some entertaining football. Given a level start would have made the play offs. This season the football has been dire and we're a long way from fielding a TEAM. Puncheon has been in-effective and may well be upset that young Chamberlain has ousted him. If he would rather sulk and moan than fight for his place back, then NA is right to let him go
Last season we played some entertaining football. Given a level start would have made the play offs. This season the football has been dire and we're a long way from fielding a TEAM. Puncheon has been in-effective and may well be upset that young Chamberlain has ousted him. If he would rather sulk and moan than fight for his place back, then NA is right to let him go upthe
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2:37pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Rowester says...

frenchsaint wrote:
Yes, it does rather look as though NA is acting in good time for the Jan. transfer window; better to pass on the players you don't see as necessary to your plans now than attempting it on Jan.1st. The 'war chest' so built up should see action early in the window rather than late for once. I hope so anyway. Perhaps everyone can start speculating now......I'm sure there will be plenty of advice offered up. As so far 3 midfielders have been moved on it seems pretty certain that one or two fresh faces will appear there. How are Scunthorpe doing.? It won't be anyone from Man.U. Liverpool under new owners and manager might be having a clearout. Le fondre must be in many a managers sights. Has Pitman played 1st. team football since he moved in the summer.? There will be a long list on these pages but a short one in NA's head I predict.
I think adam le fondre would be a very good signing if it happened.Lambo needs a man along side him...barnard is excellent but to be able to switch about with le fondre would be spot on........without lambert saints look lost.
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: Yes, it does rather look as though NA is acting in good time for the Jan. transfer window; better to pass on the players you don't see as necessary to your plans now than attempting it on Jan.1st. The 'war chest' so built up should see action early in the window rather than late for once. I hope so anyway. Perhaps everyone can start speculating now......I'm sure there will be plenty of advice offered up. As so far 3 midfielders have been moved on it seems pretty certain that one or two fresh faces will appear there. How are Scunthorpe doing.? It won't be anyone from Man.U. Liverpool under new owners and manager might be having a clearout. Le fondre must be in many a managers sights. Has Pitman played 1st. team football since he moved in the summer.? There will be a long list on these pages but a short one in NA's head I predict.[/p][/quote]I think adam le fondre would be a very good signing if it happened.Lambo needs a man along side him...barnard is excellent but to be able to switch about with le fondre would be spot on........without lambert saints look lost. Rowester
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2:37pm Wed 17 Nov 10

lowe esteem says...

christian-saint wrote:
Puncheon was awesome at points last season (hence was included in the League 1 Team of the year) but has been woefull this season. Weird!! Saying that - I'm worried about Southampton's (Ex) Goal Machine. 36 Goals last season and a similar amount the season before yet 2 or 3 from open play this season!! Anyone know why Ricke has been so poor by his standards? Once the first name on the team sheet, now I would be happy to see him on the bench. I actually think his prolonged dip in form is the main reason we are not top of the league. If we could add his 2 goals every 3 games that he scored last season into this team we would be flying!
Lambert still contributes to the team, and we're still too reliant on him- what about the other two 'experienced' strikers who haven't exactly set the world on fire with their goals?
[quote][p][bold]christian-saint[/bold] wrote: Puncheon was awesome at points last season (hence was included in the League 1 Team of the year) but has been woefull this season. Weird!! Saying that - I'm worried about Southampton's (Ex) Goal Machine. 36 Goals last season and a similar amount the season before yet 2 or 3 from open play this season!! Anyone know why Ricke has been so poor by his standards? Once the first name on the team sheet, now I would be happy to see him on the bench. I actually think his prolonged dip in form is the main reason we are not top of the league. If we could add his 2 goals every 3 games that he scored last season into this team we would be flying![/p][/quote]Lambert still contributes to the team, and we're still too reliant on him- what about the other two 'experienced' strikers who haven't exactly set the world on fire with their goals? lowe esteem
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2:45pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

Paul Lucas wrote:
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
saints til i die wrote:
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
mack chinnon wrote: That will please a lot of people.
Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January!
You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.
Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!? In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct.
Puncheon played well under AP when he first arrived but somehow drifted off and started holding the ball for too long and as some have said here, his shots on goal, corners etc were pretty bad and once everybody started to boo him etc. he was never going to turn it round. Seems like a guy who could be moody and that would affect his game. I wish him luck in his career as he does have the potential to be a good footballer. Seedhouse - where did you write about the training session - I'd like to read that if you can point me in the right direction. COYRS !!! Auto promo 2010!
Have cut and paste for you, not much to report though which is why I had'nt bothered before:


Paul Lucas asked how the training session and lunch went.


NA is a seriously nice guy. He moved everyone round to the Kingsland to be sat in the morning sun and he spent the entire training session with us explaining what they were doing and why. It was a Monday so he had most of the first 11 doing "recovery training" which included yoga and lighter exercises whilst the others had a much more intense session. They all then spent a lot of time on control and passing skills. I was impressed with the session, it seemed better than any other I have watched, but I'm no coach.


Over lunch, between his speech and signing autographs, I didn't get much time to ask him questions and those that I did were met with bland answers. "Which areas of the team do you think need strengthening?" was met with "I want all areas of the team to be strong". "Will we see new faces in January?" was met with "We have a strong squad but we are in the business of winning football matches".


AP was much more forthcoming and happy to discuss selection and tactics and what was missing and needed.


In short I think NA is much more of a "company man" which I suppose is why he is there and AP isn't given the management style of the chairman.
[quote][p][bold]Paul Lucas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saints til i die[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: That will please a lot of people.[/p][/quote]Judging by the posts over the weeks you are right mack. I'm not one of them though. I thought he was one of the first names on the team sheet last season but after Pardews sacking he was appalling for a while. I did think he was getting better in his last couple of games. If we are going to let players like this go (to a higher league) we better be signing in January![/p][/quote]You know this silly rumour going around about someone in the camp giving out information a day before matches....maybe he's the someone??? I can't think of many other reasons.[/p][/quote]Dunno, would seem weird and could end your whole career if caught doing something like that. Do we really believe that the managers of the opposition are reading websites to find out who is playing!? In the training session I wrote about yesterday one of the coaches came to get NA who went off to have a fairly lengthy chat with Puncheon, I got the impression there might have been a bit of trouble between him and one of the other players. That training session was on 25th Oct.[/p][/quote]Puncheon played well under AP when he first arrived but somehow drifted off and started holding the ball for too long and as some have said here, his shots on goal, corners etc were pretty bad and once everybody started to boo him etc. he was never going to turn it round. Seems like a guy who could be moody and that would affect his game. I wish him luck in his career as he does have the potential to be a good footballer. Seedhouse - where did you write about the training session - I'd like to read that if you can point me in the right direction. COYRS !!! Auto promo 2010![/p][/quote]Have cut and paste for you, not much to report though which is why I had'nt bothered before: Paul Lucas asked how the training session and lunch went. NA is a seriously nice guy. He moved everyone round to the Kingsland to be sat in the morning sun and he spent the entire training session with us explaining what they were doing and why. It was a Monday so he had most of the first 11 doing "recovery training" which included yoga and lighter exercises whilst the others had a much more intense session. They all then spent a lot of time on control and passing skills. I was impressed with the session, it seemed better than any other I have watched, but I'm no coach. Over lunch, between his speech and signing autographs, I didn't get much time to ask him questions and those that I did were met with bland answers. "Which areas of the team do you think need strengthening?" was met with "I want all areas of the team to be strong". "Will we see new faces in January?" was met with "We have a strong squad but we are in the business of winning football matches". AP was much more forthcoming and happy to discuss selection and tactics and what was missing and needed. In short I think NA is much more of a "company man" which I suppose is why he is there and AP isn't given the management style of the chairman. Seedhouse the Sequel
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2:53pm Wed 17 Nov 10

BlandfordSaint says...

NA needs to know best XI and stick with it until January. If then they are not up it buy BETTER not other squad players. The players who were then not good enough become the squad players. SIMPLES!!!!!!!
NA needs to know best XI and stick with it until January. If then they are not up it buy BETTER not other squad players. The players who were then not good enough become the squad players. SIMPLES!!!!!!! BlandfordSaint
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3:22pm Wed 17 Nov 10

milton road says...

Puncheon's going makes little difference to things. We are struggling to be a top six side let alone top 2. Our new style of play seems to suit Lee B rather than Rickie L. Though i do think Rickie will come good.
We have dropped too many points where we shouldn't. We miss antonio and papa, they gave us that impact that NA talks of.
The only thing going for us at the moment everyone else is dropping points as well. Though Charlton sem to be running into good form.
I do not think you can gauge this season on others. With so many teams beating each other, compared to last season, i see a lower points tally. yet whilst i am still hopeful for the top six and maybe just maybe a top 2, I think we all expected more from the side. We have under achieved, or is it we are just not as good as the last half of last season?
Puncheon's going makes little difference to things. We are struggling to be a top six side let alone top 2. Our new style of play seems to suit Lee B rather than Rickie L. Though i do think Rickie will come good. We have dropped too many points where we shouldn't. We miss antonio and papa, they gave us that impact that NA talks of. The only thing going for us at the moment everyone else is dropping points as well. Though Charlton sem to be running into good form. I do not think you can gauge this season on others. With so many teams beating each other, compared to last season, i see a lower points tally. yet whilst i am still hopeful for the top six and maybe just maybe a top 2, I think we all expected more from the side. We have under achieved, or is it we are just not as good as the last half of last season? milton road
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3:55pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Spanishgray says...

Nothing like a imminent transfer to concentrate the playing juices. Watch the team play some great football on Sat. He could be back in Jan. Certain players are not giving 100 per cent. This wont hurt the team. Play up the Saints.
Nothing like a imminent transfer to concentrate the playing juices. Watch the team play some great football on Sat. He could be back in Jan. Certain players are not giving 100 per cent. This wont hurt the team. Play up the Saints. Spanishgray
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4:24pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Paul Lucas says...

Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from.
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3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that"
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COYRS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from. . 3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that" . COYRS!!!!!!!!!! Paul Lucas
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4:26pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Paul Lucas says...

Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from.
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3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that"
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COYRS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from. . 3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that" . COYRS!!!!!!!!!! Paul Lucas
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4:53pm Wed 17 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

Don't groan, it's more stats. but they are Important.
Not nearly enough attention is made of the importance of NOT drawing games during a season.
Last season Norwich won 29 drew 8 lost 9 and they finished 9 points ahead of 2nd. place Leeds. Norwich had the lowest number of draws in the League.
Saints record was won 23 drew 14 lost 9. Had we won just 3 of those 14 drawn games we would have finished 2nd.with 89 points,just 6 points behind Norwich. I am of course ignoring the -10pts.
This season we are doing much better with so far only 3 draws in 16 games,on target for 8 or 9 in the year.
Other teams doing well are Peterborough with only 1 draw so far and MKD and Hudds with 2 each.
Which brings us to the question of substitute timings during games. If you are losing or drawing a game with 20 mins. to go it is VITAL to have a go with positive substitutions. Not only should it improve the teams morale but it will inspire the crowd, especially at home. If in the end you lose 2-0 instead of 1-0 it doesn't matter, you tried.
Our club motto should be 'NO TO DRAWERS'!!







Saints finished 7th. won23 dr14 lost 9
Don't groan, it's more stats. but they are Important. Not nearly enough attention is made of the importance of NOT drawing games during a season. Last season Norwich won 29 drew 8 lost 9 and they finished 9 points ahead of 2nd. place Leeds. Norwich had the lowest number of draws in the League. Saints record was won 23 drew 14 lost 9. Had we won just 3 of those 14 drawn games we would have finished 2nd.with 89 points,just 6 points behind Norwich. I am of course ignoring the -10pts. This season we are doing much better with so far only 3 draws in 16 games,on target for 8 or 9 in the year. Other teams doing well are Peterborough with only 1 draw so far and MKD and Hudds with 2 each. Which brings us to the question of substitute timings during games. If you are losing or drawing a game with 20 mins. to go it is VITAL to have a go with positive substitutions. Not only should it improve the teams morale but it will inspire the crowd, especially at home. If in the end you lose 2-0 instead of 1-0 it doesn't matter, you tried. Our club motto should be 'NO TO DRAWERS'!! Saints finished 7th. won23 dr14 lost 9 frenchsaint
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5:31pm Wed 17 Nov 10

spratt says...

TurnerChannonMcCalli
ogStokes
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This could be the first of several highish-profile departures. NA has made it clear he's not happy with certain people in the squad. January could be very busy.
There does seem to be something fundamently wrong with the present squad and I dread to think what Marcus would have thought of the current situation. Or what Cortese is thinking now? It is a classic situation of a collection of very good players without being a good TEAM. Look around L1 and you see plenty of very good teams with scarcely any particularly known players. All our high profile players should indeed be considering their positions but whilst all this is happening time is slipping away and hopes of promotion getting less certain. Thats my worry. Even if NA brings in players in the January window the season will be half over. And anyway this is all we seem to do bring in new players who never seem to gel into an effective team. We all have our own opinions but of one thing we must all surely agree - this is not the season we were expecting.
[quote][p][bold]TurnerChannonMcCalli ogStokes[/bold] wrote: This could be the first of several highish-profile departures. NA has made it clear he's not happy with certain people in the squad. January could be very busy.[/p][/quote]There does seem to be something fundamently wrong with the present squad and I dread to think what Marcus would have thought of the current situation. Or what Cortese is thinking now? It is a classic situation of a collection of very good players without being a good TEAM. Look around L1 and you see plenty of very good teams with scarcely any particularly known players. All our high profile players should indeed be considering their positions but whilst all this is happening time is slipping away and hopes of promotion getting less certain. Thats my worry. Even if NA brings in players in the January window the season will be half over. And anyway this is all we seem to do bring in new players who never seem to gel into an effective team. We all have our own opinions but of one thing we must all surely agree - this is not the season we were expecting. spratt
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5:53pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

Paul Lucas wrote:
Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from. . 3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that" . COYRS!!!!!!!!!!
He is definately that, which I do think will help him work very well with NC, just as long as he isn't a "yes man" which I'm sure he's not. Although I guess there always will be a different balance of power between a chairman and an ex premier league manager and a chairman and an up and coming manager wanting to prove himself at a bigger club. One will obviously make bigger demands than the other.



I do think he will come through as he is very focussed and the chairman, in my view, has to fully support him in transfers and all team matters as he has pinned his own future to NA by saying AP had to go to be certain of promotion this season. That must never be forgotten and we all hope they succeed in that ambition.



I do hope you're right about 3 points and 3 goals, i've got some staff down from Peterborough branch for this game and I can't find anything in their contracts of employment or the company handbook to prevent them from gloating if we lose.....
[quote][p][bold]Paul Lucas[/bold] wrote: Thanks Seedhouse. I appreciate that and thought it quite interesting. I think, even before you had said anything about NA's answers, that I pretty much knew what his would answer be. He does seem to be a secretive guy, regards his team, which is good I suppose, but it does beg the question of where the "leaks" have come from. . 3 points and 3 goals on Saturday - "Simple as that" . COYRS!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]He is definately that, which I do think will help him work very well with NC, just as long as he isn't a "yes man" which I'm sure he's not. Although I guess there always will be a different balance of power between a chairman and an ex premier league manager and a chairman and an up and coming manager wanting to prove himself at a bigger club. One will obviously make bigger demands than the other. I do think he will come through as he is very focussed and the chairman, in my view, has to fully support him in transfers and all team matters as he has pinned his own future to NA by saying AP had to go to be certain of promotion this season. That must never be forgotten and we all hope they succeed in that ambition. I do hope you're right about 3 points and 3 goals, i've got some staff down from Peterborough branch for this game and I can't find anything in their contracts of employment or the company handbook to prevent them from gloating if we lose..... Seedhouse the Sequel
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6:01pm Wed 17 Nov 10

OSPREYSAINT says...

It will take time for NA to get what he wants, we will have to wait until January for his main moves, meanwhile in this country I don't see too many players available that are any better than what we already have got, may have to look elsewhere. The real problem is that time is not on our side.
It will take time for NA to get what he wants, we will have to wait until January for his main moves, meanwhile in this country I don't see too many players available that are any better than what we already have got, may have to look elsewhere. The real problem is that time is not on our side. OSPREYSAINT
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6:20pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Andy_Germany says...

NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!! Andy_Germany
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6:49pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Saintade says...

I can think of a good one:
He wasn't actually very good.

I won't miss him. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo!
I can think of a good one: He wasn't actually very good. I won't miss him. Couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo! Saintade
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6:56pm Wed 17 Nov 10

tugboat says...

Good move by saints and a good move for punch, a good player in the wrong team for him.
Who,s next though, if nothing else it will make a few up their workrate/standards.
This is now a club in a hurry to succeed whether anyone accepts it or not and the players need to step up. Its not all down to bad luck that lambo isnt performing, or spiderman cant score, these players need to prove their reported potential.
Barneys doing well and deserves to start on a regular basis, but NA is sending a message out here,shape up or ship out.
What has happened to Aaron Martin ?
Na will get this right--no doubt.
Good move by saints and a good move for punch, a good player in the wrong team for him. Who,s next though, if nothing else it will make a few up their workrate/standards. This is now a club in a hurry to succeed whether anyone accepts it or not and the players need to step up. Its not all down to bad luck that lambo isnt performing, or spiderman cant score, these players need to prove their reported potential. Barneys doing well and deserves to start on a regular basis, but NA is sending a message out here,shape up or ship out. What has happened to Aaron Martin ? Na will get this right--no doubt. tugboat
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7:53pm Wed 17 Nov 10

poppy saint says...

Andy_Germany wrote:
NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
the pasties are a bit rough, innit?
[quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!![/p][/quote]the pasties are a bit rough, innit? poppy saint
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9:36pm Wed 17 Nov 10

aliscan66 says...

I find this very interesting! I heard a while ago, that Lambert and Puncheon loathed each other!! This could be the answer to our dreams, Ricky might get it together now?
I find this very interesting! I heard a while ago, that Lambert and Puncheon loathed each other!! This could be the answer to our dreams, Ricky might get it together now? aliscan66
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10:18pm Wed 17 Nov 10

slugger says...

poppy saint wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
the pasties are a bit rough, innit?
you been naughty then puppy ?
[quote][p][bold]poppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!![/p][/quote]the pasties are a bit rough, innit?[/p][/quote]you been naughty then puppy ? slugger
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10:40pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

poppy saint wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
the pasties are a bit rough, innit?
Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me?
[quote][p][bold]poppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!![/p][/quote]the pasties are a bit rough, innit?[/p][/quote]Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me? Seedhouse the Sequel
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10:56pm Wed 17 Nov 10

saintlippe says...

New style of play - old style of play, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2. Alan pardew, Nigel Adkins, sunny Saturday at St. Mary's, wet Tuesday night in Wycombe. At the end of all that how many of these players are good enough to help us win matches and gain promotion! Hopefully, as in the case of Puncheon, our current manager will do what is necessary to make sure that we will be there at the end of the season! In Nigel we trust!!
New style of play - old style of play, 4-5-1, 4-3-3, 4-4-2. Alan pardew, Nigel Adkins, sunny Saturday at St. Mary's, wet Tuesday night in Wycombe. At the end of all that how many of these players are good enough to help us win matches and gain promotion! Hopefully, as in the case of Puncheon, our current manager will do what is necessary to make sure that we will be there at the end of the season! In Nigel we trust!! saintlippe
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11:53pm Wed 17 Nov 10

Gossie. says...

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
poppy saint wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
the pasties are a bit rough, innit?
Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me?
Puppy, I thought you were going to appeal.
Seedy, that's a diiferent name from even two days ago, assume you have been banned again after I moaned.
Punchy, not good enough for Saints. Tried hard, but couldn't deliver. Neil Danns please
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!![/p][/quote]the pasties are a bit rough, innit?[/p][/quote]Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me?[/p][/quote]Puppy, I thought you were going to appeal. Seedy, that's a diiferent name from even two days ago, assume you have been banned again after I moaned. Punchy, not good enough for Saints. Tried hard, but couldn't deliver. Neil Danns please Gossie.
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12:09am Thu 18 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

Gossie. wrote:
Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
poppy saint wrote:
Andy_Germany wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!!
the pasties are a bit rough, innit?
Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me?
Puppy, I thought you were going to appeal. Seedy, that's a diiferent name from even two days ago, assume you have been banned again after I moaned. Punchy, not good enough for Saints. Tried hard, but couldn't deliver. Neil Danns please
I know, Seedhouse Rides Again went after your complaint which I have no problem with, you were right to, Seedhouse V made one very reasonable post in defence of a threat and he was gone too!
[quote][p][bold]Gossie.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]poppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy_Germany[/bold] wrote: NA is a man who knows his business. he seems to be a very articulate, intelligent man. He ha not been here that long and I am sure he has his own ideas. I tuly believe good times for Saints are ahead. We just need to be patient. A trait that I think ALL Saints fans are born with. Looking forward to the rest of the season. Red & White 'til I die!!![/p][/quote]the pasties are a bit rough, innit?[/p][/quote]Hey poppy old son, you got room on your step for me?[/p][/quote]Puppy, I thought you were going to appeal. Seedy, that's a diiferent name from even two days ago, assume you have been banned again after I moaned. Punchy, not good enough for Saints. Tried hard, but couldn't deliver. Neil Danns please[/p][/quote]I know, Seedhouse Rides Again went after your complaint which I have no problem with, you were right to, Seedhouse V made one very reasonable post in defence of a threat and he was gone too! Seedhouse the Sequel
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6:11am Thu 18 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

Morning Gossie; I have watched Neil Danns closely on a couple of occasions and in neither game did he score but he certainly can. He likes to find space, makes himself available, has a good first touch but doesn't do much defensively. In our set-up just the sort of man we need.
If the story above about bad blood between Ricky and Jason is true then its a very good thing that they've been split up.
Morning Gossie; I have watched Neil Danns closely on a couple of occasions and in neither game did he score but he certainly can. He likes to find space, makes himself available, has a good first touch but doesn't do much defensively. In our set-up just the sort of man we need. If the story above about bad blood between Ricky and Jason is true then its a very good thing that they've been split up. frenchsaint
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10:21am Thu 18 Nov 10

1990vintage says...

I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.
I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation. 1990vintage
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12:01pm Thu 18 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

1990vintage wrote:
I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.
There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done.
I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good.
I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately.
I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is.
I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago.
Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?
[quote][p][bold]1990vintage[/bold] wrote: I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.[/p][/quote]There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA? frenchsaint
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12:03pm Thu 18 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done.
I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good.
I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately.
I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is.
I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago.
Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?
There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA? frenchsaint
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12:07pm Thu 18 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

frenchsaint wrote:
1990vintage wrote: I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.
There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?
And me! Surely it's not a question of who you would prefer instead, NA is the "instead" he is the instead of Pardew. Only time will tell if this move was in the clubs interests or just a result of a personal vendetta.
[quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1990vintage[/bold] wrote: I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.[/p][/quote]There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?[/p][/quote]And me! Surely it's not a question of who you would prefer instead, NA is the "instead" he is the instead of Pardew. Only time will tell if this move was in the clubs interests or just a result of a personal vendetta. Seedhouse the Sequel
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12:31pm Thu 18 Nov 10

1990vintage says...

Frenchsaint, if you are still there - good comments and if thats the idea behind this then all well and good. But the evidence we have to date concerns me - I think NA prefers Chaplow to Spiderman and that does not fit with the Southampton style in my view. Perhaps he is trying to coax more from Spiderman but he's a very different player to Chaplow. Alternatives to NA? Probably weren't any (still think Pardew going was a shame).
Frenchsaint, if you are still there - good comments and if thats the idea behind this then all well and good. But the evidence we have to date concerns me - I think NA prefers Chaplow to Spiderman and that does not fit with the Southampton style in my view. Perhaps he is trying to coax more from Spiderman but he's a very different player to Chaplow. Alternatives to NA? Probably weren't any (still think Pardew going was a shame). 1990vintage
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12:59pm Thu 18 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:
frenchsaint wrote:
1990vintage wrote: I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.
There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?
And me! Surely it's not a question of who you would prefer instead, NA is the "instead" he is the instead of Pardew. Only time will tell if this move was in the clubs interests or just a result of a personal vendetta.
Seed, you miss my point. I am talking about pre-NA, not now. Since we are only 3 and you seem better situated than Vintage and myself, who did YOU fancy after AP was dismissed.?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Sequel[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frenchsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1990vintage[/bold] wrote: I wrote of my concern in regard to Adkins' man management on Monday when he all but pointed the finger at Spiderman for what was a shambolic team performance mostly brought about by an overcrowded midfled formation. Now this - its ludicrous. Puncheon is a good player who has not had a chance to recapture form. he is also a very good fit for the style of football our club adheres to. How do you equate this with the favouritism shown to the out of form/unfit Lambert? We need a strong squad in the weeks ahead; its a knee jerk reaction to think Chamberlain will continue to do the business; league 1 defenders are already looking out for him and he will not have it all his way (very good player that he is). My personal view is that Adkins is out of his depth at our club with the weight of expectation.[/p][/quote]There's nothing quite like 'standing up to be counted' as you have just done. I feel that your remarks on NA are brave but premature. With the exception of a loanee, Chaplow, who the majority on here seem to like, he is trying to manoevre an AP selected (and coached) group of players into playing his way. Any new manager needs a season to show the worth of his players and I have to say that NA's results so far are pretty good. I agree with you about Lambert, Lee should have started more often lately. I also agree with you on Oxy;putting too much responsibility on his shoulders at his age is bad, good though he is. I don't agree about Spider. He is a better player than he has shown and needs reminding of that. If he doesn;t respond well to these remarks then he will be put on offer, a subject I wrote on at length a few days ago. Since this is the end of this thread and we are probably the only 2 on now, who would you have preferred to NA?[/p][/quote]And me! Surely it's not a question of who you would prefer instead, NA is the "instead" he is the instead of Pardew. Only time will tell if this move was in the clubs interests or just a result of a personal vendetta.[/p][/quote]Seed, you miss my point. I am talking about pre-NA, not now. Since we are only 3 and you seem better situated than Vintage and myself, who did YOU fancy after AP was dismissed.? frenchsaint
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1:03pm Thu 18 Nov 10

frenchsaint says...

Incase you ask, mine was Tony Mowbray.
Incase you ask, mine was Tony Mowbray. frenchsaint
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1:19pm Thu 18 Nov 10

Seedhouse the Sequel says...

Personally I had a lot of time for AP both as a person and as a manager, I think we were punching above our weight to have him in the first place in Div1.


The crap about the players and wives has been rubbished to me personally both by him and by a very senior ever present player who was very sad to see him go.


I must be honest I had never heard of NA before he was linked to us. However, I like what he wants to achieve, his ability to work with a chairman (who I have had far too much to say about already) is sadly to some extent the most important issue here. I would love to see the continuity this club was once famous for and if he cuts the mustard as a manager NA fits that bill with 14 years at Scunny under his belt.


Otherwise discounting the unrealistic names I would have liked to have seen a return of Hoddle or Strachan.
Personally I had a lot of time for AP both as a person and as a manager, I think we were punching above our weight to have him in the first place in Div1. The crap about the players and wives has been rubbished to me personally both by him and by a very senior ever present player who was very sad to see him go. I must be honest I had never heard of NA before he was linked to us. However, I like what he wants to achieve, his ability to work with a chairman (who I have had far too much to say about already) is sadly to some extent the most important issue here. I would love to see the continuity this club was once famous for and if he cuts the mustard as a manager NA fits that bill with 14 years at Scunny under his belt. Otherwise discounting the unrealistic names I would have liked to have seen a return of Hoddle or Strachan. Seedhouse the Sequel
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