We let everyone down, says Butterfield (From Daily Echo)

Whats the use of excuses AFTER the game. The whole squad needs to pull their fingers out and show some respect to the Club that pays their wages and to their loyal fans. Lets hope that some of these present under-performers are shown the door in the New Year and NA brings in some better replacements. Unless things improve there is little chance of Championship football next season

The team didn't go out to play badly. They thought they were prepared but it went wrong. If they learn from that..ok. Goals change games. Once they had two, Brentford's game plan would change. Matches like this happen. The truth is that we are probably one of the top 3/4 in the league, but we started the season badly and are playing catch up. If we had got to the top we would have gained enough points to remain there. getting there now is the problem. It's still tight but we must not allow the gap to get much larger. We must sign the right players in January.

Splash the wonger ...2 or 3 more players with pace and power ,would see us up...

Bench or sell RL and MS ....and stick the Pole in the goal

Butterfield let himself down he had a terrible game, but the biggest under performer is the shadow of his former self Lambert. In the second half it woudnt of hurt to bring on Doble!

franiow wrote:
The team didn't go out to play badly. They thought they were prepared but it went wrong. If they learn from that..ok. Goals change games. Once they had two, Brentford's game plan would change. Matches like this happen. The truth is that we are probably one of the top 3/4 in the league, but we started the season badly and are playing catch up. If we had got to the top we would have gained enough points to remain there. getting there now is the problem. It's still tight but we must not allow the gap to get much larger. We must sign the right players in January.

Spot on franiow, as usual. Lets put things into perspective, it was an awful performance/result but sometimes things don't go the right way. Attitude wasn't right from the start but often you see that change during the game or by half-time. In this case it didn't. The timing of their goals, Guly's early missed chance etc paved foundations for a situation where the players couldn't gear themselves up and change the game. It happens. Though granted, we certainly need some additions in Jan and everyone knows in which areas that is. Lets hope Cortese/Adkins do too.

We should demand and I would expect a much improved performance up at Walsall next week.

Lets do our job and keep positive!

M27-W wrote:
How is it we get interviews posted on here from the odd defender etc telling us what we already know.
Why isn't RL on here telling us why he thinks he is playing so sh*te and what he thinks he needs to do to improve.
Why isn't KD on here telling us why he is one of the most overrated goalkeepers in this league and what has he got on NA to be picked every week.
Why isn't NA on here telling us why the fu*k we didn't get some decent loan signings in before the window shut to strengthen our squad to get us into the top four before xmas and then buy some players to push on again in January.
Why do Saints always fluff their lines when we have the perfect opportunity to gain some ground on our rivals and then feed us a load of bo**ocks as excuses.
Fu**ing Clueless

Im not prone to being an Echo knocker but I would like to see them asking the right questions of the right people. The OS only publishes Cortese approved propaganda so it falls to the local media not under the clubs control to do some proper journalism. The club seems to think it can ignore large issues just because it doesn't like them - like the bottle incident. Many other clubs have a much more open and honest relationship with their fans.

Don't agree with your comments about KD, he did have a mare yesterday and I'm sure he is man enough to admit it, he doesn't normally make mistakes like that.

What will happen in April when we go bust?
Will the league let us carry on, or are we out of the game?
AND, if that does happen, will The Dog and Duck from Fareham beat us on sunday mornings?

These issues are much more important than M27-w trying to be tough, swearing on the internet

O dear, O dear, O dear, could we please approach Steve Coppell again and get him on board as Cheif Consultant or Director off football at St Marys! We need someone who knows all about football at the club. Then if Mr Cortesse loses patience with Mr Adkins Steve can take over that role as well.
" That's what I would like for Christmas ".
VentnorSaint.

Shopping list in January should include: 1xcentral midfielder - 2xwingers - 2x strikers.

shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night !
cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!!
can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

Investment needed in january, Can't understand how lambert is so off form, he seemed frustrated with the service he was getting. Looks like an exciting end to the season though!

slugger wrote:
shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

As has already been said, if Guly had only headed it downwards, as you should, we would have been 1-0 up early on and KD's mistake may never have happened. It's all ifs and buts, as it is in any game of football. Just as an aside, I was lucky enough to be invited to a box yesterday........ hospitality
makes a defeat easier to take! Even so I was well p*****d off with the result.! Back to the Kingsland for 28th Dec. Let's make up for it with 2 away wins in between.

M27-W wrote:
How is it we get interviews posted on here from the odd defender etc telling us what we already know. Why isn't RL on here telling us why he thinks he is playing so sh*te and what he thinks he needs to do to improve. Why isn't KD on here telling us why he is one of the most overrated goalkeepers in this league and what has he got on NA to be picked every week. Why isn't NA on here telling us why the fu*k we didn't get some decent loan signings in before the window shut to strengthen our squad to get us into the top four before xmas and then buy some players to push on again in January. Why do Saints always fluff their lines when we have the perfect opportunity to gain some ground on our rivals and then feed us a load of bo**ocks as excuses. Fu**ing Clueless

Could'nt agree more!! Well said. With his lame excuses and pointless late substitutions he is beginning to sound like Pardew Mark2

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote:
shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault!

Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Its not SimCity or some virtual game, not interested about Saints `on paper`being the best squad in leque 1. In reality we are not anywhere near good enough to last the pace after xmas. Just no good enough, basic 4-4-2 football is what is required not some fancy England time wasting side to side and back

M27-W wrote:
How is it we get interviews posted on here from the odd defender etc telling us what we already know.
Why isn't RL on here telling us why he thinks he is playing so sh*te and what he thinks he needs to do to improve.
Why isn't KD on here telling us why he is one of the most overrated goalkeepers in this league and what has he got on NA to be picked every week.
Why isn't NA on here telling us why the fu*k we didn't get some decent loan signings in before the window shut to strengthen our squad to get us into the top four before xmas and then buy some players to push on again in January.
Why do Saints always fluff their lines when we have the perfect opportunity to gain some ground on our rivals and then feed us a load of bo**ocks as excuses.
Fu**ing Clueless

I do agree with a lot of what has been written - because it's spot on and pretty much what we're all thinking and saying.

If KD had apologised for a shocker - then that would have been closer to the truth but probably Nigel has defended his keeper and blamed the Defence. Personally I don't have a problem playing Bart - but KD did produce a moment of magic with that penalty save vs Brighton -priceless.

I don't necessarily blame all the players yesterday or think it was 100% their fault only . I do hold Nigel to account and agree with M27W post about getting decent loan signings etc. The Team selection yesterday would not have beaten many sides in League One and would have struggled to grind out a result in a Cup Game playing League 2 opposition.

I like Nigel but he has sat ...too smug .......too aloof and thinks he can talk his way out of anything. He thought he knew better than the fans and put everyone out to loan and has no cover for players. He is left now with a predictable side - no options and no one on the bench.

Nigel's not gonna like the truth but he needs to think more medium and long term - even Punch could have done a jog for us part of the game yesterday with Oxy C coming on as an impact Sub.

The best thing he can do is offload Connolly in January and own up that when anything happens to Barney (like his Red Card fiasco) the team are stuffed.

We need another Striker - BUY ANOTHER STRIKER FFS and lets get on with getting promoted.

To M27W - even the cider could not have made up for yesterday !!

Red Army. COYR

I wrote in the other day and got absolutly slated over the club being up for sale. Why has all the back room staff gone in comes a load of cheap crap how do the players respond to that? Cortesse proaganda he wants out as do the family. I hope I am wrong but the team are not happy cant you see that?

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

Blah! Blah! Blah!
Although this season there have been some decidely "iffy" performances this one on Saturday was the icing on the cake!
Kelvin on the whole is or "was" a good shot stopper, but he never has commanded his area. Our fragile defence has no confidence in him or for that matter themselves.
Our mid-field is far too lightweight, my Labrador Harry has far better ball control and tackling ability than Schneiderlin or Hammond.
As for RL, is he having a mega-sulk or what?, it always looks like he's just going through the motions. I've heard that he doesn't get on with NA, so what! He should put a shift in like everyone else should be doing, Saturday was like watching a second-rate pub side. I couldn't see a goal in us, no imagination, no idea, no work rate. We gave the ball away far too cheaply and made little effort to win it back!
I bet Brentford couldn't believe their luck, it was Christmas come early for them. Even Jaidi was beaten in the air quite a few times by one of they're "smallest" players for christ's sake!
Luckily it's still earlyish in the season and some of the results on Saturday went our way, but if we are really serious about promotion then the team need to pull their collective fingers out! No doubt NA has seen enough to know where our weaknesses lay, and I hope NC is willing to splash the cash to offset these because there are quite a few.
There still seems to be some dead-wood at the club, maybe a hangover from AP's reign. They need to be rapidly shown the door, we can't afford passengers and only want players on the field of play whom are fit to where the shirt!
In this day and age you'd think footballers would realise how lucky and fortunate they are to reap the financial rewards available for so little effort, perhaps if they were to work a 48hr shift in a factory next time they had two weeks off they'd feel like putting more into their next performance! Oh, and also have the worry of paying the mortgage, but there's no chance of that!
I've had my rant, and wish it made me feel better, but it hasn't. Deep down I don't think this shower of sh!te realise just how much we felt let down on Saturday. The optimist in me says keep going and we will prevail, the cynic in me say's nothing will change. Time will tell I think!.... :o)

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

What on earth were you doing in the London Arms.
Second thoughts, don't answer that

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

What on earth were you doing in the London Arms. Second thoughts, don't answer that

It was full of women thinking they would be safe Gossie....I thought you of all people would have figured that one out by now! :O)

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

What on earth were you doing in the London Arms. Second thoughts, don't answer that

It was full of women thinking they would be safe Gossie....I thought you of all people would have figured that one out by now! :O)

I had awful thoughts of that text Slugger sent me two months ago at 2 in the morning. London Arms started to make sense then.
Full of women aye

Are you sure that were women Baddesley, or were they just dressed like women?

I have to admit I was fairly depressed after Saturdays let down performance, but after reading all of the negative dross on the forums I am nearly suicidal, fortunately a good nights sleep and I will have got over it, put it down to circumstance, and I will look forward to next week, which of course has to be better. I do not agree that these players are not good enough, but they certainly are not playing up to there strengths and ability, perhaps they have been in the comfort zone too long, after the latest performance they need some kind of wake up call, but I don't have the solution. Come on Nigel, shake them up.

Watched it a few times now and it definitely looks like Kelvin's fault for the first goal yesterday.

Ooops Walsall just beat Charlton 1 0, trust them to find a bit of form when they come to play us! Any snow forecast?

Invidia wrote:
Are you sure that were women Baddesley, or were they just dressed like women?

Vids....you've got me really worried now...you weren't blonde last night were you?

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

What on earth were you doing in the London Arms. Second thoughts, don't answer that

It was full of women thinking they would be safe Gossie....I thought you of all people would have figured that one out by now! :O)

I had awful thoughts of that text Slugger sent me two months ago at 2 in the morning. London Arms started to make sense then. Full of women aye

Yep, really amazing and different women, a couple of them could even pee stood up - unbelievable!

In fact I think it was one of those who gave Bill and Slugger a lift home....

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

Baddesley Bill wrote:

Seedhouse the Sequel wrote:

Gossie. wrote:

slugger wrote: shocking performance.....but these things happen,we havn't become a bad team over-night ! cheers to seedhouse for the hospitality yesterday,top bloke !!! can't really remember the second half and certainly can't remember being asked to leave the grapes for being too drunk !!!!!

I met Mack Chinnon at half time, and we were wondering just how much Business Seedhouse lost with you and Bill there.

I didn't lose any business but I think we nearly bankrupted the club by over use of the inclusive bar. If there are no signings in January then I'm afraid it will be our fault! Slugger, it's not The Grapes you should worry about it's the incident in The London Arms that's best forgotten....

Why were Saints so bad?...Did we go in the Grapes?....Was there an incident in the London?....How did we get home?....so many questions...so few answers! :O)

What on earth were you doing in the London Arms. Second thoughts, don't answer that

It was full of women thinking they would be safe Gossie....I thought you of all people would have figured that one out by now! :O)

I had awful thoughts of that text Slugger sent me two months ago at 2 in the morning. London Arms started to make sense then. Full of women aye

Yep, really amazing and different women, a couple of them could even pee stood up - unbelievable! In fact I think it was one of those who gave Bill and Slugger a lift home....

....jeez....and there was me just thinking me piles had flared up!

puppy_saint wrote:
Watched it a few times now and it definitely looks like Kelvin's fault for the first goal yesterday.

Once was enough for me!

What happened to Poppy Saint, was he naughty again?

shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals

insane saint wrote:
shall we get back BWP from plymouth they could do with the money they paid us for him fair swap again possibly.. any thoughts on this guys and gals

Personally I don't want to see Saints go backwards in it's signings. BWP never really did anything at Saints.
We do need to buy in January though. We have a good squad, but it's not a great squad. The players who I think are safe to stay are: Bart, Kelvin, although I do think it's time to swap them around. Harding, Richardson, Butterfield, Fonte, Martin, as he is the future, Chaplow, Lallana, Oxo and Lee Barnard.
Add to that all the promising youngsters coming through. The rest need to be gradually replaced with good Championship players.
I know people will disagree, but these are my thoughts.
In January I would put Morgan and Rickie up for sale, put the money together with other monies available to strengthen the squad. I don't know who I would bring in, but N.A must have some targets. Whatever happens, please no more League 1 team of the year players please.

Atpost wrote:
What will happen in April when we go bust? Will the league let us carry on, or are we out of the game? AND, if that does happen, will The Dog and Duck from Fareham beat us on sunday mornings? These issues are much more important than M27-w trying to be tough, swearing on the internet

What a Kn*b
Go back to b-all mouth muppet

Agree with most of what's been posted. Am i the only one that can remember players stating after the game that they had let the fans down. It started with CLAUSE in the premiership, three or four times, nothing changed . well it did, we went down.And they have been doing it ever since.We dont need to be told they were CRAP we can see it, what needs to be done is to spell it out to them BUCK UP OR BUGGER OFF. Saturday was unacceptable to the fans,the fans who wear the shirt with pride, not because we get paid to do it. This is not the first time this season after long away journeys that this lot have let the fans down and it's about time it stopped. Dont tell us after the game you were crap, we need a captain on the field that is big enough to kick arse of the ones not putting it in, HAMMOND for me is not strong enough. If the team gave 100% and we dont win , that we can accept. But on SATURDAYS performance a lot needs to be sorted out and fast.

hedge end bob wrote:
Agree with most of what's been posted. Am i the only one that can remember players stating after the game that they had let the fans down. It started with CLAUSE in the premiership, three or four times, nothing changed . well it did, we went down.And they have been doing it ever since.We dont need to be told they were CRAP we can see it, what needs to be done is to spell it out to them BUCK UP OR BUGGER OFF. Saturday was unacceptable to the fans,the fans who wear the shirt with pride, not because we get paid to do it. This is not the first time this season after long away journeys that this lot have let the fans down and it's about time it stopped. Dont tell us after the game you were crap, we need a captain on the field that is big enough to kick arse of the ones not putting it in, HAMMOND for me is not strong enough. If the team gave 100% and we dont win , that we can accept. But on SATURDAYS performance a lot needs to be sorted out and fast.

Good honest shout Bob and with a touch of passion which most of the posts(by Saints fans) have for their club.

Atpost wrote:
What will happen in April when we go bust? Will the league let us carry on, or are we out of the game? AND, if that does happen, will The Dog and Duck from Fareham beat us on sunday mornings? These issues are much more important than M27-w trying to be tough, swearing on the internet

Who told you that?

OSPREYSAINT wrote:

Atpost wrote: What will happen in April when we go bust? Will the league let us carry on, or are we out of the game? AND, if that does happen, will The Dog and Duck from Fareham beat us on sunday mornings? These issues are much more important than M27-w trying to be tough, swearing on the internet

Who told you that?

Her imaginary friend I think