Nathaniel Clyne completes move from Crystal Palace to Southampton

Daily Echo: Nathaniel Clyne and Adam Lallana batte it out Nathaniel Clyne and Adam Lallana batte it out

SAINTS have completed the signing of Nathaniel Clyne.

As revealed by the Daily Echo, the 21-year-old became one of Nigel Adkins’ top summer targets as he strengthens his squad ahead of the big Premier League kick-off.

Saints say they have not yet agreed a compensation fee with Palace for the England under-19 and under-21 international, who has moved to St Mary’s on a four-year deal.

The defender was out of contract at Palace, but Saints owe compensation because Clyne is an academy graduate under the age of 24. If a figure cannot be agreed, then it will be set by a tribunal.

Clyne’s signing, which the club confirmed this morning, is another piece of the jigsaw for Adkins who has already brought in Jay Rodriguez and Steven Davis this summer and is looking to recruit a goalkeeper, at least one centre half and some pace out wide, as well as the potential deal for Alexander Buttner.

Adkins now has three right backs to choose from with Clyne joining Frazer Richardson and Danny Butterfield in the Saints squad.

Clyne was one of the highest rated young players in the Championship and had attracted interest from other top flight sides before Saints swooped. He broke into the Palace first-team at the beginning of the 2008/09 season, making his debut in a 3-0 home win over Barnsley.

He penned a three-year deal soon after and grew to become one of the Eagles’ key players.

Clyne won the club’s player of the year award for the 2010/11 season and last term was included in the Championship team of the year.

Clyne revealed on his Twitter page last night that he was on his way to Geneva to join up with the squad on their pre-season tour, while changing his biography to confirm he is a Saints player.

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9:01am Thu 19 Jul 12

Rob The Saint NOT in NZ says...

Well done Saints for getting him onboard!

£2.5m too is not too much for a highly rated young player - shows the guy wanted to come here.

(Believe the doom & gloom merchants yesterday & he was never going to sign for us - hah!)
Well done Saints for getting him onboard! £2.5m too is not too much for a highly rated young player - shows the guy wanted to come here. (Believe the doom & gloom merchants yesterday & he was never going to sign for us - hah!) Rob The Saint NOT in NZ

9:02am Thu 19 Jul 12

lambo83 says...

I'm liking the young british and hungry policy of SFC, let's hope it pays dividends next year.
I'm liking the young british and hungry policy of SFC, let's hope it pays dividends next year. lambo83

9:03am Thu 19 Jul 12

lambo83 says...

lambo83 wrote:
I'm liking the young british and hungry policy of SFC, let's hope it pays dividends next year.
This year too...

: s
[quote][p][bold]lambo83[/bold] wrote: I'm liking the young british and hungry policy of SFC, let's hope it pays dividends next year.[/p][/quote]This year too... : s lambo83

9:05am Thu 19 Jul 12

upwherewebelong says...

is odd that there is nothing on the Official site. Is there a reason for that ?
is odd that there is nothing on the Official site. Is there a reason for that ? upwherewebelong

9:07am Thu 19 Jul 12

Over the Edge says...

Good signing.

For me the signing of these youngsters shows great foresight of behalf of NA and NC building a team that can compete in the Premier League now, as well getting young players who can be moulded in the way NA wants them to play the game and who will remain at the club for years to come.

The more I witness NA management style and the way he goes about his business the more I like him, I was sceptical at first but he is proving me wrong time and time again, love the way NC supports his manager buying players NA wants without the club getting ripped off, a great double act in my opinion.

Hopefully the Buttner deal can get sorted out as well, however if NC and NC don't think it right for SFC then move on and find another one for that position.

Getting excited about this Premier League thingy, Is anyone else?
Good signing. For me the signing of these youngsters shows great foresight of behalf of NA and NC building a team that can compete in the Premier League now, as well getting young players who can be moulded in the way NA wants them to play the game and who will remain at the club for years to come. The more I witness NA management style and the way he goes about his business the more I like him, I was sceptical at first but he is proving me wrong time and time again, love the way NC supports his manager buying players NA wants without the club getting ripped off, a great double act in my opinion. Hopefully the Buttner deal can get sorted out as well, however if NC and NC don't think it right for SFC then move on and find another one for that position. Getting excited about this Premier League thingy, Is anyone else? Over the Edge

9:08am Thu 19 Jul 12

bully0046 says...

Leitch is a bullett!
This came out yesterday around 15:00

Still not confirmed on the OS yet, so NC will not be happy the local rag publishing it before its on the OS, yes it's been in all the national papers but NC's not bothered about them just the echo he dont like....
Leitch is a bullett! This came out yesterday around 15:00 Still not confirmed on the OS yet, so NC will not be happy the local rag publishing it before its on the OS, yes it's been in all the national papers but NC's not bothered about them just the echo he dont like.... bully0046

9:12am Thu 19 Jul 12

St Retford says...

montecristosaint says...
1:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12

He wont sign.Cortese wont pay the 4m fee.
montecristosaint says... 1:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12 He wont sign.Cortese wont pay the 4m fee. St Retford

9:18am Thu 19 Jul 12

Prit says...

St Retford wrote:
montecristosaint says... 1:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12 He wont sign.Cortese wont pay the 4m fee.
Te he !! crystal balls defective !!

Excellent signing
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: montecristosaint says... 1:12pm Wed 18 Jul 12 He wont sign.Cortese wont pay the 4m fee.[/p][/quote]Te he !! crystal balls defective !! Excellent signing Prit

9:25am Thu 19 Jul 12

Alicesdad says...

No third parties, no Scottish club going bust involved, no FIFA involvement. A clean transfer!!

And an excellent player too !!

Come on everyone .. praise where praise is due !! Well done NC/NA
No third parties, no Scottish club going bust involved, no FIFA involvement. A clean transfer!! And an excellent player too !! Come on everyone .. praise where praise is due !! Well done NC/NA Alicesdad

9:27am Thu 19 Jul 12

boilerman says...

It's on the Saint's site now.
I still think we need a new left back and a creative midfielder.
It's on the Saint's site now. I still think we need a new left back and a creative midfielder. boilerman

9:31am Thu 19 Jul 12

saintsdan says...

So far so good 3 top signings I hope we start to see them play in pre season!!
So far so good 3 top signings I hope we start to see them play in pre season!! saintsdan

9:31am Thu 19 Jul 12

costa gaz says...

Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago.....

costa gaz says...
6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12
copied from daily star.....

SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package.

Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but......
Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago..... costa gaz says... 6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12 copied from daily star..... SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package. Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but...... costa gaz

9:34am Thu 19 Jul 12

puppy saint says...

I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section. puppy saint

9:35am Thu 19 Jul 12

kissmya%% says...

well done ADAM LEITCH they dont call you lightning for nothing :) .........
well done ADAM LEITCH they dont call you lightning for nothing :) ......... kissmya%%

9:37am Thu 19 Jul 12

St Retford says...

boilerman wrote:
It's on the Saint's site now.
I still think we need a new left back and a creative midfielder.
Isn't Davis meant to be the creative midfielder? He is, by all accounts, a bit of a Paul Scholes figure. Plus we've got JWP coming through the ranks who should be figuring by the end of the season.
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: It's on the Saint's site now. I still think we need a new left back and a creative midfielder.[/p][/quote]Isn't Davis meant to be the creative midfielder? He is, by all accounts, a bit of a Paul Scholes figure. Plus we've got JWP coming through the ranks who should be figuring by the end of the season. St Retford

9:47am Thu 19 Jul 12

ElliotP says...

It's on the OS now. Fantastic signing.
It's on the OS now. Fantastic signing. ElliotP

10:15am Thu 19 Jul 12

legod7 says...

costa gaz wrote:
Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago..... costa gaz says... 6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12 copied from daily star..... SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package. Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but......
Compensation still to be agreed.
So where did the £1.5m come from.
Another poster on here said it is £2.5m. Perhaps we will never know the true amount paid.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago..... costa gaz says... 6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12 copied from daily star..... SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package. Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but......[/p][/quote]Compensation still to be agreed. So where did the £1.5m come from. Another poster on here said it is £2.5m. Perhaps we will never know the true amount paid. legod7

10:20am Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road says...

All I said was I would wait until it was on the OS site. Most nationals said last week he was likely to join Saints. Then one said the Palace chairman had recieved no offers.So after the Butner episode I was not trusting anything until it was on OS.
Shrugs.
Cool he has signed and hopefully a plus.
All I said was I would wait until it was on the OS site. Most nationals said last week he was likely to join Saints. Then one said the Palace chairman had recieved no offers.So after the Butner episode I was not trusting anything until it was on OS. Shrugs. Cool he has signed and hopefully a plus. milton road

10:20am Thu 19 Jul 12

billythesaint says...

Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.
Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA. billythesaint

10:23am Thu 19 Jul 12

Rising_Son says...

legod7 wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago..... costa gaz says... 6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12 copied from daily star..... SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package. Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but......
Compensation still to be agreed.
So where did the £1.5m come from.
Another poster on here said it is £2.5m. Perhaps we will never know the true amount paid.
If it's decided by a tribunal, I would expect it to be announced.

In any case, it looks like a good signing for now and for a long time into the future.
[quote][p][bold]legod7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: Looks like the reliable daily star called it right 5 days ago..... costa gaz says... 6:51pm Sat 14 Jul 12 copied from daily star..... SOUTHAMPTON have signed Crystal Palace defender Nathaniel Clyne, 21, on a four-year deal after agreeing a £1.5m compensation package. Ok, I know it's the daily star and to wait for the OS to announce transfers but......[/p][/quote]Compensation still to be agreed. So where did the £1.5m come from. Another poster on here said it is £2.5m. Perhaps we will never know the true amount paid.[/p][/quote]If it's decided by a tribunal, I would expect it to be announced. In any case, it looks like a good signing for now and for a long time into the future. Rising_Son

10:26am Thu 19 Jul 12

Rising_Son says...

billythesaint wrote:
Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.
Fonte, Hooiveld, Schneiderlin and Do Prado are a problem for you, are they?
[quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.[/p][/quote]Fonte, Hooiveld, Schneiderlin and Do Prado are a problem for you, are they? Rising_Son

10:27am Thu 19 Jul 12

mack chinnon says...

billythesaint wrote:
Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.
Your not wrong Billy.
[quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.[/p][/quote]Your not wrong Billy. mack chinnon

10:53am Thu 19 Jul 12

Jesus_02 says...

Funny thing is we will probably end up actually knowing the cost of Clyne as it will probably go to tribrunal. If it does anything more than £2.5 would be unpressedented.

Cant see a Zaha deal happening now...shame...back to Jarvis I thinks
Funny thing is we will probably end up actually knowing the cost of Clyne as it will probably go to tribrunal. If it does anything more than £2.5 would be unpressedented. Cant see a Zaha deal happening now...shame...back to Jarvis I thinks Jesus_02

11:06am Thu 19 Jul 12

St Retford says...

billythesaint wrote:
Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.
Does anyone else get the feeling these financial rules are utter twaddle? The Glazers take £500m out of United and out of football in order to pay interest charges to banks and this is considered fine whereas Abramovic and Mansour pump £2bn into the game and this is not ok. Surely FIFA's obligations should be to football and not the banks?

The rules protect football's existing order by making it harder for any newcomers to challenge the elite in spending power. Thus it would make it a truly remarkable achievement if Nicola can mount a serious challenge in the Premier League within the next five or six years. We should back him to the hilt.
[quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.[/p][/quote]Does anyone else get the feeling these financial rules are utter twaddle? The Glazers take £500m out of United and out of football in order to pay interest charges to banks and this is considered fine whereas Abramovic and Mansour pump £2bn into the game and this is not ok. Surely FIFA's obligations should be to football and not the banks? The rules protect football's existing order by making it harder for any newcomers to challenge the elite in spending power. Thus it would make it a truly remarkable achievement if Nicola can mount a serious challenge in the Premier League within the next five or six years. We should back him to the hilt. St Retford

11:17am Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

puppy saint wrote:
I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
STH = Self-praising Ticketed Hamflap
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section.[/p][/quote]STH = Self-praising Ticketed Hamflap Mush On The Beach

11:19am Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

GB Olympic team should have been made up entirely from the Saints squad, guaranteed a gold medal
GB Olympic team should have been made up entirely from the Saints squad, guaranteed a gold medal Mush On The Beach

11:20am Thu 19 Jul 12

Brian1 says...

Brilliant !!
Now lets get Modric !!
Brilliant !! Now lets get Modric !! Brian1

11:22am Thu 19 Jul 12

St Retford says...

Brian1 wrote:
Brilliant !!
Now lets get Modric !!
I know you're joking but this is the whole thing with financial fair play. Saints don't really have a choice but to pick talented upcoming youngsters.
[quote][p][bold]Brian1[/bold] wrote: Brilliant !! Now lets get Modric !![/p][/quote]I know you're joking but this is the whole thing with financial fair play. Saints don't really have a choice but to pick talented upcoming youngsters. St Retford

11:43am Thu 19 Jul 12

Cheapshot says...

http://www1.skysport
s.com/football/news/
11661/7913387/Saints
-focus-on-Lens

I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!!
http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11661/7913387/Saints -focus-on-Lens I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!! Cheapshot

12:02pm Thu 19 Jul 12

saintdave1976 says...

Well done NA & NC I knew u whould come up trumps!!!! I am feeling a lot better about the prem thing now!!! Hopefully Nath Jay Rod and Jack Cork can have a word with Zaha and Butland then we have a really good squad along with the youngsters and the great players we already have!!!!!!! COYR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!'
Well done NA & NC I knew u whould come up trumps!!!! I am feeling a lot better about the prem thing now!!! Hopefully Nath Jay Rod and Jack Cork can have a word with Zaha and Butland then we have a really good squad along with the youngsters and the great players we already have!!!!!!! COYR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!' saintdave1976

12:03pm Thu 19 Jul 12

St Retford says...

Cheapshot wrote:
http://www1.skysport

s.com/football/news/

11661/7913387/Saints

-focus-on-Lens

I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!!
TIDY.
[quote][p][bold]Cheapshot[/bold] wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11661/7913387/Saints -focus-on-Lens I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!![/p][/quote]TIDY. St Retford

12:31pm Thu 19 Jul 12

St.Yorkie says...

This Lens guy could be the extra wide man we are looking for!
How old is he??
Is he hungry enough? He could room with Jos the Boss!!
Where would this leave Tadanari?
This Lens guy could be the extra wide man we are looking for! How old is he?? Is he hungry enough? He could room with Jos the Boss!! Where would this leave Tadanari? St.Yorkie

12:58pm Thu 19 Jul 12

SaffaSaint says...

Had this nipper on Fifa 11 for the playstation won the Champs League and Euro Super Cup, good omens
Had this nipper on Fifa 11 for the playstation won the Champs League and Euro Super Cup, good omens SaffaSaint

1:01pm Thu 19 Jul 12

billythesaint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
billythesaint wrote:
Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.
Fonte, Hooiveld, Schneiderlin and Do Prado are a problem for you, are they?
Not as much as your sense of humour.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billythesaint[/bold] wrote: Watch everyone crumble under the Financial Fair Play rules with their overpaid foreign dross as we march on into Europe with a young, classy English side earning a meagre £20k a week! The national squad will be passing the football around properly all thanks to NA.[/p][/quote]Fonte, Hooiveld, Schneiderlin and Do Prado are a problem for you, are they?[/p][/quote]Not as much as your sense of humour. billythesaint

1:03pm Thu 19 Jul 12

hamblesaint says...

Look on you tube. There is a lot of footage of him beating players and scoring. He has international and champions league experience and goals. He has scored against Arsenal in the champions league and has scored against the top clubs in Dutch football in the Eredivisie. He looks a great prospect for anywhere across the front. He is predominantly a right footer. COYR
Look on you tube. There is a lot of footage of him beating players and scoring. He has international and champions league experience and goals. He has scored against Arsenal in the champions league and has scored against the top clubs in Dutch football in the Eredivisie. He looks a great prospect for anywhere across the front. He is predominantly a right footer. COYR hamblesaint

1:04pm Thu 19 Jul 12

hamblesaint says...

Also he is 24 years old, so fits the bill nicely :)
Also he is 24 years old, so fits the bill nicely :) hamblesaint

1:26pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Ashley Charles Pragnell says...

Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self. Ashley Charles Pragnell

1:28pm Thu 19 Jul 12

seventh-junction says...

Happy days. Welcome aboard Nathaniel.
Just watched You Tube vids of Lens.
He looks well handy!
Go get him Saints!!
COYR!
Happy days. Welcome aboard Nathaniel. Just watched You Tube vids of Lens. He looks well handy! Go get him Saints!! COYR! seventh-junction

1:32pm Thu 19 Jul 12

SaintMax says...

Isn't it shaping up nicely. So far all seem to be astute signings. Why do the doubters keep creeping back out of the woodwork time and agin though? They've been doing this ever since our saviour Markus came on to the scene.
Isn't it shaping up nicely. So far all seem to be astute signings. Why do the doubters keep creeping back out of the woodwork time and agin though? They've been doing this ever since our saviour Markus came on to the scene. SaintMax

1:34pm Thu 19 Jul 12

mack chinnon says...

Cheapshot wrote:
http://www1.skysport

s.com/football/news/

11661/7913387/Saints

-focus-on-Lens

I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!!
No way. N.C. would never pay 1 million for him it aint gonna happen. This was in the Daily Star months ago. I cant believe the inactivity on N.A. and N.C,s part. Im depressed we havent signed a pacy winger g.k. c.b. r.b. l.b or uncle Tom Cobley. Its only 5 weeks to kick off and the new shirts kak.
Any way Up The Saints.
[quote][p][bold]Cheapshot[/bold] wrote: http://www1.skysport s.com/football/news/ 11661/7913387/Saints -focus-on-Lens I know this guy is meant to be the real deal!![/p][/quote]No way. N.C. would never pay 1 million for him it aint gonna happen. This was in the Daily Star months ago. I cant believe the inactivity on N.A. and N.C,s part. Im depressed we havent signed a pacy winger g.k. c.b. r.b. l.b or uncle Tom Cobley. Its only 5 weeks to kick off and the new shirts kak. Any way Up The Saints. mack chinnon

1:39pm Thu 19 Jul 12

mack chinnon says...

puppy saint wrote:
I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
I will be sat behind you for Wigan. Hope I dont drop my bovril
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section.[/p][/quote]I will be sat behind you for Wigan. Hope I dont drop my bovril mack chinnon

1:41pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

puppy saint wrote:
I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
Here here!




Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section)
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section.[/p][/quote]Here here! Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section) Seedhouse the Unrepentant

1:47pm Thu 19 Jul 12

circa 66 saint says...

great signing but still think an experienced older(30 ish) premier player would be good some where in the squad.




this post was sent by non season ticket holder from across the water.
padded cell section
great signing but still think an experienced older(30 ish) premier player would be good some where in the squad. this post was sent by non season ticket holder from across the water. padded cell section circa 66 saint

1:50pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
Here here!




Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section)
Mack Don’t let them turn you, we all know you took a freebie. Elitism sucks, especially at the capital city of Socialism on the South Coast
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section.[/p][/quote]Here here! Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section)[/p][/quote]Mack Don’t let them turn you, we all know you took a freebie. Elitism sucks, especially at the capital city of Socialism on the South Coast Mush On The Beach

1:54pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Ashley Charles Pragnell says...

I have had a look at Lens he looks just the ticket. Sky's reporting is usually really good, so there could be some truth in this. Let our chief of recruiting Paul Mitchell get on with doing the deal. Its shaping up nicely. The reason we are taking our time in the transfer market is we are going for quality. Unlike Reading who are shopping for players at Asda,s we are more in the Waitrose or Marks and Spencer mode. I understand Poopy shop at the pound shop for players, who sell by date has past.
I have had a look at Lens he looks just the ticket. Sky's reporting is usually really good, so there could be some truth in this. Let our chief of recruiting Paul Mitchell get on with doing the deal. Its shaping up nicely. The reason we are taking our time in the transfer market is we are going for quality. Unlike Reading who are shopping for players at Asda,s we are more in the Waitrose or Marks and Spencer mode. I understand Poopy shop at the pound shop for players, who sell by date has past. Ashley Charles Pragnell

2:01pm Thu 19 Jul 12

circa 66 saint says...

Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
I have had a look at Lens he looks just the ticket. Sky's reporting is usually really good, so there could be some truth in this. Let our chief of recruiting Paul Mitchell get on with doing the deal. Its shaping up nicely. The reason we are taking our time in the transfer market is we are going for quality. Unlike Reading who are shopping for players at Asda,s we are more in the Waitrose or Marks and Spencer mode. I understand Poopy shop at the pound shop for players, who sell by date has past.
poopey are banned even from the pound shop something to do with not paying for things i think
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: I have had a look at Lens he looks just the ticket. Sky's reporting is usually really good, so there could be some truth in this. Let our chief of recruiting Paul Mitchell get on with doing the deal. Its shaping up nicely. The reason we are taking our time in the transfer market is we are going for quality. Unlike Reading who are shopping for players at Asda,s we are more in the Waitrose or Marks and Spencer mode. I understand Poopy shop at the pound shop for players, who sell by date has past.[/p][/quote]poopey are banned even from the pound shop something to do with not paying for things i think circa 66 saint

2:10pm Thu 19 Jul 12

mack chinnon says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
I don't think we paid enough for him.





Season ticket holders only section.
Here here!




Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section)
Mack Don’t let them turn you, we all know you took a freebie. Elitism sucks, especially at the capital city of Socialism on the South Coast
5 and proud Mush.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: I don't think we paid enough for him. Season ticket holders only section.[/p][/quote]Here here! Season Ticket Holder (Padded Seat Section)[/p][/quote]Mack Don’t let them turn you, we all know you took a freebie. Elitism sucks, especially at the capital city of Socialism on the South Coast[/p][/quote]5 and proud Mush. mack chinnon

2:11pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Vordhosbn says...

This PSV player looks quality, is it just me or does anyone think we look like we might be going 4-3-3 next year with some of the signings? We lined up as a normal 4-4-2 in the Memorial Cup but if we sign Lens I can see us going Scheiderlin, Cork and Davis in the middle, Lallana and Lens either side of Lambert or Rodrigues...not sure where that leaves Sharp, 3rd choice?
This PSV player looks quality, is it just me or does anyone think we look like we might be going 4-3-3 next year with some of the signings? We lined up as a normal 4-4-2 in the Memorial Cup but if we sign Lens I can see us going Scheiderlin, Cork and Davis in the middle, Lallana and Lens either side of Lambert or Rodrigues...not sure where that leaves Sharp, 3rd choice? Vordhosbn

2:14pm Thu 19 Jul 12

george chivers says...

Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne.

If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you.

My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City.

But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne. If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you. My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City. But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July. george chivers

2:24pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Vordhosbn wrote:
This PSV player looks quality, is it just me or does anyone think we look like we might be going 4-3-3 next year with some of the signings? We lined up as a normal 4-4-2 in the Memorial Cup but if we sign Lens I can see us going Scheiderlin, Cork and Davis in the middle, Lallana and Lens either side of Lambert or Rodrigues...not sure where that leaves Sharp, 3rd choice?
4-4-2 works in the Championship but is not the formation for success in the Prem. Only the England national team still use it at the highest level ..... Dohh!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Vordhosbn[/bold] wrote: This PSV player looks quality, is it just me or does anyone think we look like we might be going 4-3-3 next year with some of the signings? We lined up as a normal 4-4-2 in the Memorial Cup but if we sign Lens I can see us going Scheiderlin, Cork and Davis in the middle, Lallana and Lens either side of Lambert or Rodrigues...not sure where that leaves Sharp, 3rd choice?[/p][/quote]4-4-2 works in the Championship but is not the formation for success in the Prem. Only the England national team still use it at the highest level ..... Dohh!!!! Mush On The Beach

2:31pm Thu 19 Jul 12

RNsaint says...

Is it wrong to get a warm fuzzy feeling when i think about the first game of the season.The team is getting built for Europe not just for the Premier league.Young hugry blood being signed and now linked to another highly rated player in Lens.great win last night.£600 for my season ticket. Haa is that all.Champions League and were having a laugh. See poopey have sold another player,Have they got enough to make up a team photo ??? COYR Itchen forever !!!
Is it wrong to get a warm fuzzy feeling when i think about the first game of the season.The team is getting built for Europe not just for the Premier league.Young hugry blood being signed and now linked to another highly rated player in Lens.great win last night.£600 for my season ticket. Haa is that all.Champions League and were having a laugh. See poopey have sold another player,Have they got enough to make up a team photo ??? COYR Itchen forever !!! RNsaint

2:32pm Thu 19 Jul 12

george chivers says...

george chivers wrote:
Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne.

If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you.

My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City.

But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.
Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne. If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you. My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City. But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.[/p][/quote]Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids. george chivers

3:13pm Thu 19 Jul 12

tugboat says...

Welcome aboard "Kelvin",just hope your not pants.BOOM BOOM
Now be honest who,d have thought Jeremain Lens would be next.
Nicola Cortese-different class.
We are not in the prem to make the numbers up.
He has sold the club to yet another sort- after young ambitious player.
I ,ll be as happy ,as a goat in a cheese shop if we get a top drawer keeper.
Welcome aboard "Kelvin",just hope your not pants.BOOM BOOM Now be honest who,d have thought Jeremain Lens would be next. Nicola Cortese-different class. We are not in the prem to make the numbers up. He has sold the club to yet another sort- after young ambitious player. I ,ll be as happy ,as a goat in a cheese shop if we get a top drawer keeper. tugboat

3:18pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

You don’t win anything with kids – Alan Hansen 1995.
Bring on Southampton 2012/13 - Nigel Adkins, Nicola Cortese, Mush On The Beach say are you ready for a Red and White Revolution.
Think Warriors (NY gang film 1979), Can you dig it? ..... CAN YOU DIG IT?
You don’t win anything with kids – Alan Hansen 1995. Bring on Southampton 2012/13 - Nigel Adkins, Nicola Cortese, Mush On The Beach say are you ready for a Red and White Revolution. Think Warriors (NY gang film 1979), Can you dig it? ..... CAN YOU DIG IT? Mush On The Beach

3:23pm Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road says...

I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules.
The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt.
As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated.
Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners?
The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year.
One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares.
From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar.
So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses.
So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season.
Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe.
As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences.
They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap.
Which would have a two fold effect
It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players.
It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.
I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules. The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt. As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated. Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners? The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year. One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares. From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar. So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses. So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season. Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe. As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences. They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap. Which would have a two fold effect It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players. It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership. milton road

3:36pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

george chivers wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne.

If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you.

My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City.

But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.
Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.
What ever the truth of Gorkss (decent player), it's in the past. My only concern with your slant, George, is that you seem to think that what Warnock said at the time (not sure I even bothered to listen) is the gospel truth.

I'd love NC to be more public, but it's not his way and that way, 'the quiet way' if you like, is his choice. He runs the friggin club after all. Through this quiet way, Saints have gone from almost down the pan to the Prem and stand of the verge of going places we never (no, not even in the great late '70s and hurlyburly early '80s').

I have no problem with differing opinions on here, it's healthy. The only ones who really get to me are those (silent today) who are so quick to state as fact that 'something or other is going badly wrong'. Void of the facts, they create a load of bull, sell it as truth and then go silent once proved wrong.

Anyway, in the end, whether we doubt the management, believe totally in them or have mixed views, we're united as one behind the club we all love.

Onwards and upwards. COYR!
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne. If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you. My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City. But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.[/p][/quote]Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.[/p][/quote]What ever the truth of Gorkss (decent player), it's in the past. My only concern with your slant, George, is that you seem to think that what Warnock said at the time (not sure I even bothered to listen) is the gospel truth. I'd love NC to be more public, but it's not his way and that way, 'the quiet way' if you like, is his choice. He runs the friggin club after all. Through this quiet way, Saints have gone from almost down the pan to the Prem and stand of the verge of going places we never (no, not even in the great late '70s and hurlyburly early '80s'). I have no problem with differing opinions on here, it's healthy. The only ones who really get to me are those (silent today) who are so quick to state as fact that 'something or other is going badly wrong'. Void of the facts, they create a load of bull, sell it as truth and then go silent once proved wrong. Anyway, in the end, whether we doubt the management, believe totally in them or have mixed views, we're united as one behind the club we all love. Onwards and upwards. COYR! Strasbourg Saint

3:36pm Thu 19 Jul 12

tugboat says...

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=4TocxuIuq
Hg
http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=4TocxuIuq Hg tugboat

4:05pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

tugboat wrote:
http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=4TocxuIuq

Hg
Want! Now!
[quote][p][bold]tugboat[/bold] wrote: http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=4TocxuIuq Hg[/p][/quote]Want! Now! Strasbourg Saint

4:10pm Thu 19 Jul 12

george chivers says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
george chivers wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne.

If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you.

My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City.

But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.
Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.
What ever the truth of Gorkss (decent player), it's in the past. My only concern with your slant, George, is that you seem to think that what Warnock said at the time (not sure I even bothered to listen) is the gospel truth.

I'd love NC to be more public, but it's not his way and that way, 'the quiet way' if you like, is his choice. He runs the friggin club after all. Through this quiet way, Saints have gone from almost down the pan to the Prem and stand of the verge of going places we never (no, not even in the great late '70s and hurlyburly early '80s').

I have no problem with differing opinions on here, it's healthy. The only ones who really get to me are those (silent today) who are so quick to state as fact that 'something or other is going badly wrong'. Void of the facts, they create a load of bull, sell it as truth and then go silent once proved wrong.

Anyway, in the end, whether we doubt the management, believe totally in them or have mixed views, we're united as one behind the club we all love.

Onwards and upwards. COYR!
Strassie, Warnock is one of my favourite managers. Why? Because he is a winner and gets teams promoted. I know his big mouth is annoying but I can suffer that because he is successful. But I can understand why others don't like him.

I was brought up by a loud mouthed, opinionated, aggressive, successful, semi-pro manager who annoyed and upset other managers, players, referees and supporters throughout Hampshire. But like Warnock he was a winner and that was all that mattered. Winning!

That's not to say I don't like quieter successful managers. I do.

Onwards and upwards. COYR!
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne. If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you. My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City. But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.[/p][/quote]Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.[/p][/quote]What ever the truth of Gorkss (decent player), it's in the past. My only concern with your slant, George, is that you seem to think that what Warnock said at the time (not sure I even bothered to listen) is the gospel truth. I'd love NC to be more public, but it's not his way and that way, 'the quiet way' if you like, is his choice. He runs the friggin club after all. Through this quiet way, Saints have gone from almost down the pan to the Prem and stand of the verge of going places we never (no, not even in the great late '70s and hurlyburly early '80s'). I have no problem with differing opinions on here, it's healthy. The only ones who really get to me are those (silent today) who are so quick to state as fact that 'something or other is going badly wrong'. Void of the facts, they create a load of bull, sell it as truth and then go silent once proved wrong. Anyway, in the end, whether we doubt the management, believe totally in them or have mixed views, we're united as one behind the club we all love. Onwards and upwards. COYR![/p][/quote]Strassie, Warnock is one of my favourite managers. Why? Because he is a winner and gets teams promoted. I know his big mouth is annoying but I can suffer that because he is successful. But I can understand why others don't like him. I was brought up by a loud mouthed, opinionated, aggressive, successful, semi-pro manager who annoyed and upset other managers, players, referees and supporters throughout Hampshire. But like Warnock he was a winner and that was all that mattered. Winning! That's not to say I don't like quieter successful managers. I do. Onwards and upwards. COYR! george chivers

4:13pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete
Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete Mush On The Beach

5:00pm Thu 19 Jul 12

randre says...

Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
Well said.
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]Well said. randre

5:14pm Thu 19 Jul 12

randre says...

george chivers wrote:
george chivers wrote:
Ashley Charles Pragnell wrote:
Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready.
I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.
I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne.

If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you.

My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City.

But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.
Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.
Why are we talking about a player who we never signed from last season, Gorkss didn't sign end of story. The reason he didn't sign I have no inside knowledge of, but one thing is for sure we have signed good quality players at the right deal who fit into our team with the right mental attitudes.

I personally don't know why you keep on banging on about this deal, it never happened. Personally, I like the way Saints are going about their business and I'm glad with what they are doing. Signing a handful of players who are only signing on for money rather than the vision of the club is not what we want, look at QPR last year! I also don't want to sign a few 30+ year old players with premiership experience from failed teams who have not achieved anything in their career and are lookingfor one more pay day.

So far this transfer window we have done good business, just like we did the last one and theone before that. Two promotions is evidence of that.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ashley Charles Pragnell[/bold] wrote: Welcome to Southampton Nat. Yet another quality signing. The Chairman and Paul Mitchell head of recruitment Knows what they are doing. I think this deal was sealed weeks ago when Martin went on loan to Palace for the season. All we need now is right winger, centre back, goal keeper and left back and then we will be ready. I noted that Barnard and Dickson were left at home. So prehaps they will be out the door. Now we have signed Clyne I think Butterfield or Richardson's days could be numbered. I would prefer us to keep Richardson as he is a good crosser of the ball. The doubters seem to have gone on their holidays today. In answering Mr Chivers questions regarding Mr Gorkis not signing for us last year is simple. Mr Chivers you do not your left foot from your right. Gorkis is a right sided centre back and at the time our need at Southampton was a left sided centre back at time, enter The Hoover. Thats why in my opinion we went for the Hoover. Do'nt undermine our chairman and manager Mr Chivers! They know what they are doing, unlike your self.[/p][/quote]I'm still here ACP and very pleased we have signed Klyne. If it was as simple as you say with Gorkis then why were we talking to QPR for 3 weeks? As quoted by their manager at the time, Neil Warnock. I think somebody would have worked out the feet issue by then don't you. My issue is with the time we take to sign players. I worry about getting them bedded in and up to their best before the big kick off against City. But good news today! But no doubt my patience will have run out again if we don't sign three more by the end of July.[/p][/quote]Hi ACP just watched a 7 minute you tube training film of Gorkss (correct spelling). Two footed, with a preference for his left foot. Check it out yourself it's the one where he is taking a training session with kids.[/p][/quote]Why are we talking about a player who we never signed from last season, Gorkss didn't sign end of story. The reason he didn't sign I have no inside knowledge of, but one thing is for sure we have signed good quality players at the right deal who fit into our team with the right mental attitudes. I personally don't know why you keep on banging on about this deal, it never happened. Personally, I like the way Saints are going about their business and I'm glad with what they are doing. Signing a handful of players who are only signing on for money rather than the vision of the club is not what we want, look at QPR last year! I also don't want to sign a few 30+ year old players with premiership experience from failed teams who have not achieved anything in their career and are lookingfor one more pay day. So far this transfer window we have done good business, just like we did the last one and theone before that. Two promotions is evidence of that. randre

5:38pm Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road says...

Yep agreed i was not trusting anything until it was on OS. It was a well worn story last week in the nationals and then went quiet at the weekend when it was reported the palace chairman said there had been no concrete offers. After the Bentner episode I admit to being a bit sceptical until it was on the OS.

Agree with Ashley on Gorkis, Southampton made an initial enquiry and never went back. Which Warnock threw his toys out his pram over.

I think we have a bit to go before we can emulate the 80's side George. At one stage we had three England captains playing in the side. Mills, Ball and Keegan.
We also had the youngest midfield in the division with Baker Williams and Holmes all in their very early twenties, Ball being the exception. So a mixture of youth and experience can work.
There is no doubt we do have the potential as a club to challenge the eighties side. Probably the first side since Big Mac's to be in that position.
Yet a step at a time. If we can establish ourselves this season it would be great.
Yep agreed i was not trusting anything until it was on OS. It was a well worn story last week in the nationals and then went quiet at the weekend when it was reported the palace chairman said there had been no concrete offers. After the Bentner episode I admit to being a bit sceptical until it was on the OS. Agree with Ashley on Gorkis, Southampton made an initial enquiry and never went back. Which Warnock threw his toys out his pram over. I think we have a bit to go before we can emulate the 80's side George. At one stage we had three England captains playing in the side. Mills, Ball and Keegan. We also had the youngest midfield in the division with Baker Williams and Holmes all in their very early twenties, Ball being the exception. So a mixture of youth and experience can work. There is no doubt we do have the potential as a club to challenge the eighties side. Probably the first side since Big Mac's to be in that position. Yet a step at a time. If we can establish ourselves this season it would be great. milton road

5:46pm Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road says...

check sky transfer and breaking news.
All options open again for Butner and a move to Southampton seems unlikely his agent said.
check sky transfer and breaking news. All options open again for Butner and a move to Southampton seems unlikely his agent said. milton road

6:14pm Thu 19 Jul 12

long memory says...

milton road wrote:
check sky transfer and breaking news.
All options open again for Butner and a move to Southampton seems unlikely his agent said.
Moral of the story is,one strike and your out,don't mess with "The Don"
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: check sky transfer and breaking news. All options open again for Butner and a move to Southampton seems unlikely his agent said.[/p][/quote]Moral of the story is,one strike and your out,don't mess with "The Don" long memory

6:23pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Optimist says...

That's 5 players from last seasons "championship team of the year" in the team now.
Still 2-3 players yet to come in and maybe one loan-to-buy. Happy days!
That's 5 players from last seasons "championship team of the year" in the team now. Still 2-3 players yet to come in and maybe one loan-to-buy. Happy days! Optimist

6:44pm Thu 19 Jul 12

St. Saint says...

milton road wrote:
I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules.
The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt.
As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated.
Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners?
The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year.
One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares.
From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar.
So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses.
So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season.
Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe.
As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences.
They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap.
Which would have a two fold effect
It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players.
It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.
I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules. The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt. As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated. Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners? The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year. One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares. From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar. So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses. So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season. Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe. As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences. They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap. Which would have a two fold effect It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players. It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.[/p][/quote]I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment. St. Saint

6:46pm Thu 19 Jul 12

St. Saint says...

St. Saint wrote:
milton road wrote:
I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules.
The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt.
As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated.
Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners?
The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year.
One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares.
From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar.
So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses.
So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season.
Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe.
As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences.
They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap.
Which would have a two fold effect
It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players.
It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.
I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment.
And is this already happening with Etihad? Hence the 250m you mention.
[quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules. The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt. As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated. Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners? The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year. One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares. From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar. So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses. So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season. Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe. As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences. They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap. Which would have a two fold effect It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players. It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.[/p][/quote]I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment.[/p][/quote]And is this already happening with Etihad? Hence the 250m you mention. St. Saint

6:46pm Thu 19 Jul 12

St. Saint says...

St. Saint wrote:
milton road wrote:
I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules.
The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt.
As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated.
Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners?
The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year.
One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares.
From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar.
So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses.
So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season.
Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe.
As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences.
They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap.
Which would have a two fold effect
It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players.
It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.
I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment.
And is this already happening with Etihad? Hence the 250m you mention.
[quote][p][bold]St. Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I am not sure everyone understands the Fair Play Rules. The Fair Play Rules originally had to be fully implemented by 2013. This was then extended I believe to be by 2015.With the start being this season. By 2015 all clubs must be clear of debt, this includes money placed in the club by the owner which is considered a debt. As I understand it from now no owner can further subsidise a club. In the buying and paying of wages of a player. The same goes for any institution such as banks. By 2015 all existing debt must be negated. Why do you think our debt was turned into shares by our owners? The Glaziers borrowed over 700m to buy MU. With huge interest payments on top of this. It is a testament to MU's commercial viability, that they have not only still bought and functioned but paid interest and reduced the debt to 428m. This is being floated on the NY stock exchange as 49% of the shares. Which because of MU's commercial viability is expected to be snapped up. Therefore MU will be debt free. I think I read that commercially MU bring in something like 100m a year. One would expect that Chelsea and MC would do the same but as we did by turning debt to owner shares. From now an owner can only invest in the superstructure and infrastructure of the club. I.E. Bricks and mortar. So the income of a club must now cover transfers all wages and every day running expenses. So sponsorship and commercial sales become a big must for clubs as well as bums on seats. MC have sponsorship deals now totaling 250m a season. Clubs cannot accrue any further debt from now and must negate existing debt by 2015. The extension was given to negate existing debt because of the huge debt carried by the top clubs in Europe. As I understand it the penalties brought in for clubs who default, are expulsion from all European competition. Transfer embargoes and fines and there is even talk of relegation in some cases of serious offences. They are also talking of a European transfer and wage cap. Which would have a two fold effect It would give a larger band of clubs the ability to compete for top players. It would also mean that they would evenly spread through europe. There is no doubt that Platini is envious of the financial pulling power and massive TV deals of the Premiership.[/p][/quote]I may be cynical but whats to stop Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Man C man) sponsoring his own team? He has stakes in Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia (thanks Wiki). If that's not allowed under the new rules surely he just has to have a quiet word with a similarly influential mate of his and Man C get a massive sponsorship deal that would fund any transfer or wage they want? I hope there is something in place to stop this but how would you ever prove it? Correct me if I'm wrong as would genuinely like to know how this may affect our beloved team who seem to be playing by the rules at the moment.[/p][/quote]And is this already happening with Etihad? Hence the 250m you mention. St. Saint

6:46pm Thu 19 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

sorry we can not sign Jeremain Lens because he either wears the number 7 or number 9 and neither of these are available. Also we have enough young and exciting players who will go on to be brilliant. High time we bought at least one old codger with a dodgy history and an attitude to disrupt the squad and get himself sent off during critical games.

I think that should keep most of the whingers quiet for a while !
sorry we can not sign Jeremain Lens because he either wears the number 7 or number 9 and neither of these are available. Also we have enough young and exciting players who will go on to be brilliant. High time we bought at least one old codger with a dodgy history and an attitude to disrupt the squad and get himself sent off during critical games. I think that should keep most of the whingers quiet for a while ! dadofmy3sons

7:21pm Thu 19 Jul 12

JohnItaly says...

I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".
I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes". JohnItaly

7:29pm Thu 19 Jul 12

dadofmy3sons says...

21 players used in last nights friendly with 4 on the sidelines and 1 other at the hotel signing his new contract. SSN predicting another exciting new prospect being viewed.
What is going on?
Why are we going to start the season with only these players?
Nigel said he was going to sign maybe another 2 goalies and maybe a centre half, well get on with it man.
I can see why so many doomngloomerchants are on here, they are right.
Assasinate Adkins, castrate Cortese, whip Wilkins, chill Crosby, what we are going to do with club captain KD is anybody's business!!!!!!!!!

comment from a season ticket holder who hasn't got any marbles but you do need to pay attention to !
21 players used in last nights friendly with 4 on the sidelines and 1 other at the hotel signing his new contract. SSN predicting another exciting new prospect being viewed. What is going on? Why are we going to start the season with only these players? Nigel said he was going to sign maybe another 2 goalies and maybe a centre half, well get on with it man. I can see why so many doomngloomerchants are on here, they are right. Assasinate Adkins, castrate Cortese, whip Wilkins, chill Crosby, what we are going to do with club captain KD is anybody's business!!!!!!!!! comment from a season ticket holder who hasn't got any marbles but you do need to pay attention to ! dadofmy3sons

7:58pm Thu 19 Jul 12

slugger says...

its all coming together quite nicely (told ya so) ...... got £10 on rickie for the golden boot @ 66-1 , easy money ! ... COYR
its all coming together quite nicely (told ya so) ...... got £10 on rickie for the golden boot @ 66-1 , easy money ! ... COYR slugger

8:04pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

JohnItaly wrote:
I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".
The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".[/p][/quote]The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe. Strasbourg Saint

8:04pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".
The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe.
..... or, the 'Adkids'.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".[/p][/quote]The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe.[/p][/quote]..... or, the 'Adkids'. Strasbourg Saint

8:06pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
sorry we can not sign Jeremain Lens because he either wears the number 7 or number 9 and neither of these are available. Also we have enough young and exciting players who will go on to be brilliant. High time we bought at least one old codger with a dodgy history and an attitude to disrupt the squad and get himself sent off during critical games.

I think that should keep most of the whingers quiet for a while !
I fit the bill. Where do I sign?
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: sorry we can not sign Jeremain Lens because he either wears the number 7 or number 9 and neither of these are available. Also we have enough young and exciting players who will go on to be brilliant. High time we bought at least one old codger with a dodgy history and an attitude to disrupt the squad and get himself sent off during critical games. I think that should keep most of the whingers quiet for a while ![/p][/quote]I fit the bill. Where do I sign? Strasbourg Saint

8:08pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Invidia says...

A lot of posters are suggesting we need a left back, from what I have heard we already have a very capable player in Luke Shaw, it would not suprise me if he gets the nod before the other two. I do think we need another CB. and GK, otherwise we are fine, if someone else (any position) wants to jump on the bus, then thats fine as well. We wont win every game but I can see us at least mid table, If not better
A lot of posters are suggesting we need a left back, from what I have heard we already have a very capable player in Luke Shaw, it would not suprise me if he gets the nod before the other two. I do think we need another CB. and GK, otherwise we are fine, if someone else (any position) wants to jump on the bus, then thats fine as well. We wont win every game but I can see us at least mid table, If not better Invidia

8:15pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Invidia wrote:
A lot of posters are suggesting we need a left back, from what I have heard we already have a very capable player in Luke Shaw, it would not suprise me if he gets the nod before the other two. I do think we need another CB. and GK, otherwise we are fine, if someone else (any position) wants to jump on the bus, then thats fine as well. We wont win every game but I can see us at least mid table, If not better
Yep, GK and CB are clearly the priorities but I'd take this Lens guy. I watched some You Tube clips and he reminds me of a strong Oxo.
[quote][p][bold]Invidia[/bold] wrote: A lot of posters are suggesting we need a left back, from what I have heard we already have a very capable player in Luke Shaw, it would not suprise me if he gets the nod before the other two. I do think we need another CB. and GK, otherwise we are fine, if someone else (any position) wants to jump on the bus, then thats fine as well. We wont win every game but I can see us at least mid table, If not better[/p][/quote]Yep, GK and CB are clearly the priorities but I'd take this Lens guy. I watched some You Tube clips and he reminds me of a strong Oxo. Strasbourg Saint

10:26pm Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road says...

I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one.
In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints?
I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest.
Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that.
I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one. In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints? I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest. Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that. milton road

10:45pm Thu 19 Jul 12

Baddesley Bill says...

milton road wrote:
I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one.
In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints?
I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest.
Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that.
The Liebherr interest is a business one...build the Club and build the worth...the Etihad "investment" is all about a man with immense wealth looking for a new toy to play with. I don't honestly believe that the fair play rules will ever change that. If the Arab ever pulls out of City...then I reckon there will be another Poopsmouth-type debacle big time (income v wages equation must be hurrendous!)
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one. In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints? I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest. Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that.[/p][/quote]The Liebherr interest is a business one...build the Club and build the worth...the Etihad "investment" is all about a man with immense wealth looking for a new toy to play with. I don't honestly believe that the fair play rules will ever change that. If the Arab ever pulls out of City...then I reckon there will be another Poopsmouth-type debacle big time (income v wages equation must be hurrendous!) Baddesley Bill

10:59pm Thu 19 Jul 12

slugger says...

top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words .
top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words . slugger

1:31am Fri 20 Jul 12

nannupsaint says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete
I would check the nationality of some of your 'British' Sky team members if I were you. As one who knows which side his bread is buttered on, I hope your next ticket 'home' is one-way.
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete[/p][/quote]I would check the nationality of some of your 'British' Sky team members if I were you. As one who knows which side his bread is buttered on, I hope your next ticket 'home' is one-way. nannupsaint

6:15am Fri 20 Jul 12

Tirau Dan says...

slugger wrote:
top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words .
I'm with you but love it that Nigel and Nicola will do everything they can to win it and will set the mark as Europe. But for the first time in years I feel no pressure. The expectations of a win are fantasy level, top 5 chances are up there but we must believe it possible. Failure is just not going to happen and isn't worth debate by fans. The best thing is the feeling of building and good things coming into fruition. I'd like a page here for thanks and tributes to Nicola Cortese for his vision and to thank the Liebherr's for continuing their support. This is a fabulous time to be a life long fan.
COYR
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words .[/p][/quote]I'm with you but love it that Nigel and Nicola will do everything they can to win it and will set the mark as Europe. But for the first time in years I feel no pressure. The expectations of a win are fantasy level, top 5 chances are up there but we must believe it possible. Failure is just not going to happen and isn't worth debate by fans. The best thing is the feeling of building and good things coming into fruition. I'd like a page here for thanks and tributes to Nicola Cortese for his vision and to thank the Liebherr's for continuing their support. This is a fabulous time to be a life long fan. COYR Tirau Dan

6:48am Fri 20 Jul 12

milton road says...

Baddesley Bill says...
10:45pm Thu 19 Jul 12

milton road wrote:
I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one.
In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints?
I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest.
Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that.

The Liebherr interest is a business one...build the Club and build the worth...the Etihad "investment" is all about a man with immense wealth looking for a new toy to play with. I don't honestly believe that the fair play rules will ever change that. If the Arab ever pulls out of City...then I reckon there will be another Poopsmouth-type debacle big time (income v wages equation must be hurrendous!)

If FIFA are good to their word then City will not be able to compete in Europe for example after 2015 if they have debt.
The debt can be turned to shares so it is no longer a debt before 2015. City are now in a position where no further investment should be needed from the owner. 250m in sponsorship vastly improved commercial sales and a squad of valuable players, they are basically set up. Whether by direct or indirect link they are sponsored by the owner through a business and whether that is legal in the eyes of FIFA I do not know.
I agree Liebherr are now not involved with Saints through football interest, but as a memory to Marcus and as a business interest.
If Saints remain in the top flight and are profitable then I think Liebherr will remain with Saints,
Baddesley Bill says... 10:45pm Thu 19 Jul 12 milton road wrote: I will be honest ST. Saint I do not know the answer to that one. In which case why don't Lieberr sponsor Saints? I am not sure what the rulings are, whether there is a considered conflict of interest. Possibly someone like Seed maybe more up on that. The Liebherr interest is a business one...build the Club and build the worth...the Etihad "investment" is all about a man with immense wealth looking for a new toy to play with. I don't honestly believe that the fair play rules will ever change that. If the Arab ever pulls out of City...then I reckon there will be another Poopsmouth-type debacle big time (income v wages equation must be hurrendous!) If FIFA are good to their word then City will not be able to compete in Europe for example after 2015 if they have debt. The debt can be turned to shares so it is no longer a debt before 2015. City are now in a position where no further investment should be needed from the owner. 250m in sponsorship vastly improved commercial sales and a squad of valuable players, they are basically set up. Whether by direct or indirect link they are sponsored by the owner through a business and whether that is legal in the eyes of FIFA I do not know. I agree Liebherr are now not involved with Saints through football interest, but as a memory to Marcus and as a business interest. If Saints remain in the top flight and are profitable then I think Liebherr will remain with Saints, milton road

7:40am Fri 20 Jul 12

long memory says...

Once again,Radio Solent are saying we are close to signing the Gillingham goalie, 6ft 5" 20 year old Argentinian
Paulo Gazzaniga.
Once again,Radio Solent are saying we are close to signing the Gillingham goalie, 6ft 5" 20 year old Argentinian Paulo Gazzaniga. long memory

9:19am Fri 20 Jul 12

JohnItaly says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
JohnItaly wrote:
I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".
The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe.
..... or, the 'Adkids'.
What about "The Adhocs"!! "Ad hoc = for this special purpose". That being establishing ourselves in the Premiership and getting into Europe.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I am young enough to remember the "Busby babes". Perhaps we are now entering the era of the "Adkins babes".[/p][/quote]The 'Adkins Adolescences' maybe.[/p][/quote]..... or, the 'Adkids'.[/p][/quote]What about "The Adhocs"!! "Ad hoc = for this special purpose". That being establishing ourselves in the Premiership and getting into Europe. JohnItaly

11:25am Fri 20 Jul 12

randre says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
slugger wrote:
top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words .
I'm with you but love it that Nigel and Nicola will do everything they can to win it and will set the mark as Europe. But for the first time in years I feel no pressure. The expectations of a win are fantasy level, top 5 chances are up there but we must believe it possible. Failure is just not going to happen and isn't worth debate by fans. The best thing is the feeling of building and good things coming into fruition. I'd like a page here for thanks and tributes to Nicola Cortese for his vision and to thank the Liebherr's for continuing their support. This is a fabulous time to be a life long fan.
COYR
If I could shake your hand Dan I would.... You are right. We should all remember what a great job Cortese has done, especially in employing NA.

Whilst we all remeber the doom and gloom merchents on here who after the very sad death of the great Markus were all saying that the family would pull out and no money would be spent... Great signings, a lot of money spent on our infrastructure and a clear vision for the future... Thank you to the Liebherr's for making this happen... Forever we will remember what this family has done for our club.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: top 10 finish at worst ...... mark my words .[/p][/quote]I'm with you but love it that Nigel and Nicola will do everything they can to win it and will set the mark as Europe. But for the first time in years I feel no pressure. The expectations of a win are fantasy level, top 5 chances are up there but we must believe it possible. Failure is just not going to happen and isn't worth debate by fans. The best thing is the feeling of building and good things coming into fruition. I'd like a page here for thanks and tributes to Nicola Cortese for his vision and to thank the Liebherr's for continuing their support. This is a fabulous time to be a life long fan. COYR[/p][/quote]If I could shake your hand Dan I would.... You are right. We should all remember what a great job Cortese has done, especially in employing NA. Whilst we all remeber the doom and gloom merchents on here who after the very sad death of the great Markus were all saying that the family would pull out and no money would be spent... Great signings, a lot of money spent on our infrastructure and a clear vision for the future... Thank you to the Liebherr's for making this happen... Forever we will remember what this family has done for our club. randre

1:30pm Fri 20 Jul 12

lowe esteem says...

nannupsaint wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete
I would check the nationality of some of your 'British' Sky team members if I were you. As one who knows which side his bread is buttered on, I hope your next ticket 'home' is one-way.
...all those runs down to Brighton where Brad's mates were sat on their Lambys and Vespas saying "Oh no, Wiggy wants to take the tredder again" have paid off then?
I feel a new wave of 'Green Mods' coming on.
[quote][p][bold]nannupsaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Viva Le Tour De France – Come on Wiggins. Loving watching the British SKY team demolish all comers. Needless to say as a Mush in OZ, I am enjoying the Cadel fans over here chewing wasps like losing Skunts. Sign Chris Froome for Saints next season .... All round athlete[/p][/quote]I would check the nationality of some of your 'British' Sky team members if I were you. As one who knows which side his bread is buttered on, I hope your next ticket 'home' is one-way.[/p][/quote]...all those runs down to Brighton where Brad's mates were sat on their Lambys and Vespas saying "Oh no, Wiggy wants to take the tredder again" have paid off then? I feel a new wave of 'Green Mods' coming on. lowe esteem

7:26pm Fri 20 Jul 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

long memory wrote:
Once again,Radio Solent are saying we are close to signing the Gillingham goalie, 6ft 5" 20 year old Argentinian
Paulo Gazzaniga.
Done and dusted, still a couple of pieces missing in the Jig-saw but is coming together nicely.
[quote][p][bold]long memory[/bold] wrote: Once again,Radio Solent are saying we are close to signing the Gillingham goalie, 6ft 5" 20 year old Argentinian Paulo Gazzaniga.[/p][/quote]Done and dusted, still a couple of pieces missing in the Jig-saw but is coming together nicely. OSPREYSAINT

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