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Ramirez deal balances on payment timetable (From Daily Echo)
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Gaston Ramirez's move to Southampton balances on how payments will be made
8:38am Wednesday 22nd August 2012 in Saints News
Gaston Ramirez
GASTON Ramirez’s potential record move to Saints has taken another twist.
The protracted transfer saga is still not complete despite more talks between Saints and his Italian side Bologna.
Sources in Italy maintain that the clubs are more or less in agreement over a fee – but cannot agree terms on the schedule of it being paid.
Saints are believed to be prepared to meet Bolgona’s demand of 15m euros for the Uruguayan winger, pictured left, which is about £12m.
Ramirez’s former club Penarol, who still own 30 per cent of the player, are also understood to have agreed a deal with Saints to sell their share in him.
The sticking point remains a payment schedule, with the clubs struggling to find common ground. Bologna are insistent that they want the vast majority of the cash – as much as 10m euros – up front to allow them to go and buy replacements, with the rest of the cash coming within a year.
Most clubs though do try to follow the path that Saints wish to take which is to spread the payment over a longer period, often the length of a player’s contract, which in this instance would be four years.
The player himself is understood to still be very keen to come to St Mary’s, become the club’s record signing and highest ever paid player on wages estimated to be £60,000-£70,000 a week.
It is understood that other potential suitors for Ramirez in the shape of Tottenham, Liverpool and Inter Milan are looking elsewhere at this moment in time.
Saints are keen to get the deal done having put so much work into it and with time ticking down until the close of the transfer window, but will only complete the transfer if they can come to what they regard as acceptable terms.
The 21-year-old Ramirez would fit into Nigel Adkins ’ squad as an attacking talent, and would probably occupy one of the wide positions supporting the main striker in the new 4-3- 3 style formation.
Ramirez started his career at Penarol in Uruguay but was snapped up by Bologna two years ago for 2.5m euros.
He has gone on to score 12 goals in 58 appearances for the Italian side and won nine caps for Uruguay.
He was most recently seen playing for his country in the Olympics .
Comments(117)
Just another reader
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8:45am Wed 22 Aug 12
mike saint
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8:53am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint
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8:53am Wed 22 Aug 12
Carinthian Saint
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8:54am Wed 22 Aug 12
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRMY!!!
kissmya%%
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8:56am Wed 22 Aug 12
kissmya%%
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8:58am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Too much french bread I think.....
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
Strasbourg Saint
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9:01am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Sorry about that last post, I had one of those strange moments I now realise we all suffer on here from time to time. You know, like when fellow Saints fans say that NA isn't up to it, NC doesn't have a clue or the Leibherrs will pull out soon, or when skates say they have a proud history, the bestest fans in the world or will be back in the prem in a couple of years.
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
I'd always assumed it was people talking b0ll0cks, now I realise it's just one of those strange, 'tales of the unexpected' moments that only Confucious can properly explain.
Anyway, just to really get up certain people's noses early in the day, in NC/NA we trust!
StevieSteve
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9:02am Wed 22 Aug 12
kissmya%% wrote:At left back, maybe! Midfield...no.
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
SaintMax
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9:04am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint
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9:04am Wed 22 Aug 12
kissmya%% wrote:....... yes, that, too!
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Too much french bread I think.....
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
............. and the cheese!
....................
.. the the wine!
kissmya%%
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9:04am Wed 22 Aug 12
StevieSteve wrote:valid point !
kissmya%% wrote:At left back, maybe! Midfield...no.
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
kissmya%%
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9:05am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:lol nice early start then !
kissmya%% wrote:....... yes, that, too!
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Too much french bread I think.....
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
............. and the cheese!
....................
.. the the wine!
Strasbourg Saint
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9:06am Wed 22 Aug 12
SaintMax wrote:I gather they've fitted a merry-go-round in the home dressing room.
Apparently Pompey are bidding to offer him an hourly rate. If he stays there all day he will get a name badge with 5 stars on it.
Hobson82
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9:07am Wed 22 Aug 12
kissmya%% wrote:HAHAHAHA that's funny. Luke Shaw is so much better.
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
only1chopper
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9:08am Wed 22 Aug 12
Dickosfc
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9:17am Wed 22 Aug 12
Plus, didn’t we demand a massive chunk up front for your AOC. Bologna will want to re-invest so can understand where they’re coming from.
alan.of.eastleigh
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9:20am Wed 22 Aug 12
We also have a policy of not borrowing money to fund transfers (from the bank or the Leibherrs). It could potentially be commercially suicide for the club to pay the fee up front. Either Bologna wise up and compromise or we move on to other targets.
RedArmy1
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9:27am Wed 22 Aug 12
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY. COYR
SaintMax
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9:27am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Notice they also no longer have names on the players shirts too, as its first come first serve. Did you see their winger last night with huge shorts on, and the full back had to wear his own socks.
SaintMax wrote:I gather they've fitted a merry-go-round in the home dressing room.
Apparently Pompey are bidding to offer him an hourly rate. If he stays there all day he will get a name badge with 5 stars on it.
Darkangelv2
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9:30am Wed 22 Aug 12
alan.of.eastleigh wrote:This.
The salary quoted is way off the mark. We have a wage structure at SFC and it is unlikely he will be offered significantly more than Lallana or Lambert. Based on more accurate reports elsewhere, this is likely to be around £28,000 pw. We also have a policy of not borrowing money to fund transfers (from the bank or the Leibherrs). It could potentially be commercially suicide for the club to pay the fee up front. Either Bologna wise up and compromise or we move on to other targets.
No way we're in the £60-70k leagues - too much boat rocking if we start heading that way.
However, i suspect the wage structure is a bit spurious when it comes to the bonus structure that we layer on top of the salary.
alanrr
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9:41am Wed 22 Aug 12
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
no.........end of
alanrr
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9:43am Wed 22 Aug 12
SaintMax
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9:46am Wed 22 Aug 12
alanrr wrote:does the 'R' in your name stand for 'Really cheery'? Though I agree about Richardson he isnt in the Saints target mold.
buttner tapped up by utd after we raised his profile now ramirez will follow that same path unfortunately
LeTissiersEarLobe
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9:51am Wed 22 Aug 12
LeTissiersEarLobe
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9:52am Wed 22 Aug 12
Santo Levante
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9:52am Wed 22 Aug 12
Anyone else got concerns about signing Butland after his nightmare for Birmingham last evening? Makes me realise that signing a young goalkeeper is a huge risk at this level, time to look elsewhere?
costa gaz
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9:53am Wed 22 Aug 12
Hoping this is the exception.
Dubai Loyal SFC
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9:55am Wed 22 Aug 12
alan.of.eastleigh wrote:spot on....sensible post
The salary quoted is way off the mark. We have a wage structure at SFC and it is unlikely he will be offered significantly more than Lallana or Lambert. Based on more accurate reports elsewhere, this is likely to be around £28,000 pw. We also have a policy of not borrowing money to fund transfers (from the bank or the Leibherrs). It could potentially be commercially suicide for the club to pay the fee up front. Either Bologna wise up and compromise or we move on to other targets.
D4n1el
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9:56am Wed 22 Aug 12
Santo Levante wrote:I thought the Butland deal was dead in the water a long time ago? We've got Gazza now as a young keeper.
Despite the brilliant display from the whole team Ramirez is the sort of player we were lacking on Sunday to put City on the back foot. Whilst the midfield attacked well we never had that pace and pressure which City exerted. Sign him up!
Anyone else got concerns about signing Butland after his nightmare for Birmingham last evening? Makes me realise that signing a young goalkeeper is a huge risk at this level, time to look elsewhere?
kissmya%%
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9:58am Wed 22 Aug 12
alanrr wrote:end of ......... chav are we?
kissmya%% wrote:
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
no.........end of
alanrr
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10:02am Wed 22 Aug 12
redsnapper
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10:07am Wed 22 Aug 12
One huge plus of being in the Prem is very few midweek matches, less injuries
more recovery time so cant wait till Saturday..Hope Fox redeems himself.
alanrr
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10:08am Wed 22 Aug 12
alanrr wrote:
kissmya%% wrote:
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
no.........end of
end of ......... chav are we?”
no otherwise i would have put......no innit lol
the guy is an injury disaster and only scored 1 good goal that i can remember
D4n1el
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10:09am Wed 22 Aug 12
Is it just me that would much rather have Ramirez for £12m?
kissmya%%
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10:14am Wed 22 Aug 12
alanrr wrote:Good point regarding KR , it just seems a lot of reasonable players are going adrift bassong he wasent great but could be worth a gamble .
❝
alanrr wrote:
kissmya%% wrote:
Does anyone think kieran richardson could do a good job ?
no.........end of
end of ......... chav are we?”
no otherwise i would have put......no innit lol
the guy is an injury disaster and only scored 1 good goal that i can remember
Strasbourg Saint
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10:18am Wed 22 Aug 12
D4n1el wrote:From the little I know, I agree with you .....
West Ham have bid £10m for Matt Jarvis.
Is it just me that would much rather have Ramirez for £12m?
.......... or both perhaps!
At the other end, Curtis Davis or one of the others being mentioned?
Prit
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10:18am Wed 22 Aug 12
Is it just me ? 'Improved' web site now awful plus 'official' football league app totally dead !
WTF !!!
COYR
saintshorse101
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10:19am Wed 22 Aug 12
poopey could sign ramirez but he who must not be named will have to go cap in hand to the local businesses that they have ripped off over the last 3 years!
he should be ashamed of himself, asking people to chip in to pay players wages that the club cant afford! why cant that club just cut its cloth? yet again trying to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of the league. do what every other club has done and play your youth!
Becky67
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10:22am Wed 22 Aug 12
Darkangelv2 wrote:The 60-70k per week came from the player himself, when he said he would be earning 2 million per year NET
alan.of.eastleigh wrote:This.
The salary quoted is way off the mark. We have a wage structure at SFC and it is unlikely he will be offered significantly more than Lallana or Lambert. Based on more accurate reports elsewhere, this is likely to be around £28,000 pw. We also have a policy of not borrowing money to fund transfers (from the bank or the Leibherrs). It could potentially be commercially suicide for the club to pay the fee up front. Either Bologna wise up and compromise or we move on to other targets.
No way we're in the £60-70k leagues - too much boat rocking if we start heading that way.
However, i suspect the wage structure is a bit spurious when it comes to the bonus structure that we layer on top of the salary.
Confucious
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10:25am Wed 22 Aug 12
My dog Fenton was surprisingly really bothered when he noticed his Pedigree Chum had gone up from 77p a tin to 82p. That's a mere 5p to us, but I think it's £50 in dog money.
D4n1el
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10:27am Wed 22 Aug 12
http://www.caughtoff
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alanrr
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10:29am Wed 22 Aug 12
surely confucious you only multiply by 7 for doggie details that makes it 35p more
St.Yorkie
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10:32am Wed 22 Aug 12
With Italy in a worse financial state than here - the likelihood of a loan is zero! So it's take the terms we are offering or we pull out is how I read the situation!
Rising_Son
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10:33am Wed 22 Aug 12
alanrr wrote:You're obviously giving your dog too much pocket money. Please be careful, if things take a financial turn for the worse, then that could mean liquidation for you and your dog.
My dog Fenton was surprisingly really bothered when he noticed his Pedigree Chum had gone up from 77p a tin to 82p. That's a mere 5p to us, but I think it's £50 in dog money.”
surely confucious you only multiply by 7 for doggie details that makes it 35p more
Dino-Saw-Us
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10:35am Wed 22 Aug 12
I've been away for a few days, and missed the city game, how did Hoover and Fonte hold up with the pace of City?
Rising_Son
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10:40am Wed 22 Aug 12
Dino-Saw-Us wrote:Better than we feared. Not as well as we dreamt. Pretty well actually, all things considered.
Boruc - Ex Celtic available on a Free transfer, might be worth a punt to keep KD on his toes.
I've been away for a few days, and missed the city game, how did Hoover and Fonte hold up with the pace of City?
Confucious
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10:42am Wed 22 Aug 12
Rising_Son wrote:There's some truth in that.
alanrr wrote:You're obviously giving your dog too much pocket money. Please be careful, if things take a financial turn for the worse, then that could mean liquidation for you and your dog.
My dog Fenton was surprisingly really bothered when he noticed his Pedigree Chum had gone up from 77p a tin to 82p. That's a mere 5p to us, but I think it's £50 in dog money.”
surely confucious you only multiply by 7 for doggie details that makes it 35p more
I bought a lot of dog training books to get him out of his bad habits. In no time at all I had him eating out of my leg.
alanrr
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10:43am Wed 22 Aug 12
10:35am Wed 22 Aug 12
Boruc - Ex Celtic available on a Free transfer, might be worth a punt to keep KD on his toes.
I've been away for a few days, and missed the city game, how did Hoover and Fonte hold up with the pace of City?
they did ok though man c were never on top form and if fox had headed backwards instead of forward we would have got a deserved draw
lambo83
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10:44am Wed 22 Aug 12
Rising_Son
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10:45am Wed 22 Aug 12
Confucious wrote:Well, that shouldn't be too much of a loss. That is, unless you need your leg to do things like walk and play football.
Rising_Son wrote:There's some truth in that.
alanrr wrote:You're obviously giving your dog too much pocket money. Please be careful, if things take a financial turn for the worse, then that could mean liquidation for you and your dog.
My dog Fenton was surprisingly really bothered when he noticed his Pedigree Chum had gone up from 77p a tin to 82p. That's a mere 5p to us, but I think it's £50 in dog money.”
surely confucious you only multiply by 7 for doggie details that makes it 35p more
I bought a lot of dog training books to get him out of his bad habits. In no time at all I had him eating out of my leg.
Don-Irelando
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10:47am Wed 22 Aug 12
If we had bought Scott Dann and then had seen Dawson go for 2.5m more I would have been fuming.
Although all of this is taking its time- and as long as we get some names in before the end of the month- I have been happy with the way Saints have conducted themselves so far with our targets.
Phillips:
was on my wish list at the end of last season- along with Zaha who we have also been linked with, but not going to happen.
Jay Rod: scored some great goals last season in an average team and offers us a bit of airial threat if Ricky is injured which we were seriously lacking.
Clyne: appears to be a great signing and we beat of some major teams to get him in.
Buttner: althought the man couldnt even get on the bench for a team dubbed by their nationals as 'the team with no left back', i'll let Sir Alex pull rank and ill concede there must be something decent about him.
now I know the bullets amongst you are going to point out we haven't signed all of these but they are all plays that I would want at our club. Id prefer that then the graveyard shift at QPR.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:51am Wed 22 Aug 12
The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.
Dino-Saw-Us
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11:00am Wed 22 Aug 12
I don't remember a summer when we've added 7 new faces too the team and spent so much money.
I see Danny N'Guessen is being linked with his 6 monthly transfer movement again! Poor Guy no-one wants him! (Not that I blame them)
Also what about Dale Jenning, went to Bayern last summer (or the year before) he must have learned a few more skills by now and was pretty fast, would be a good bench warmer with some pace to burn against tired legs with 10 minutes to go - loan?
SaintJD
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11:01am Wed 22 Aug 12
St Retford
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11:03am Wed 22 Aug 12
kissmya%% wrote:Marie Curie
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Too much french bread I think.....
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
Dino-Saw-Us
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11:09am Wed 22 Aug 12
D4n1el
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11:12am Wed 22 Aug 12
Dino-Saw-Us wrote:Yeah. I think we really missed out with him and Buttner.
Anyone else gutted not to have got Michu or £2m?
Don-Irelando
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11:25am Wed 22 Aug 12
Former club Penarol, who own 30% of his registration, are also satisfied by the terms of the agreement.
However, it is understood cash-strapped Bologna are stalling as they seek to secure a loan against the repayments.
STAY TUNED I HAVE A FEELING IT WILL BE TODAY!- either way
andrewsmith782000
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11:25am Wed 22 Aug 12
Dino-Saw-Us
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11:32am Wed 22 Aug 12
Especially the Hammers... I would love to see what their wage bill looks like!
SaintPC
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11:33am Wed 22 Aug 12
With regard to some of the people we have missed out on, us simply wanting to sign them doesnt alway mean that they want to come to us (foolish for them, but true!).
Buttner - Looks good, but sounds like they were waiting for Utd to decide on making an offer and we were put on hold.
Michu - Good player, but I am not sure he didnt choose Swansea over Saints, due to the Laudrup factor?
Phillips - I like this guy and it seems he wants to come to Saints. It depends on the Blackpool Chairman, but hopefully we will get him in the next week.
Ramirez - Trying to bridge finance payment schedules with upfront loans is commonplace, but nevertheless harder to do in Italy than it is here. They will be wanting to get upfront fees to sign the player to replace him. I actually think this signing will happen, unless it is a ruse by Bologna to delay until a club offers a higher upfront fee i.e. Liverpool.
The real business that we need to do is sign a quality centre-half, or two. I am not sure 9m for Dawson is good value given his perpetual injuries, and we dont need to bring in 1 year journeymen like Carvalho either.
I suspect that the transfer market is stuck a little at the moment, once a couple of the big deals go through i.e. Modric, Hulk, etc that usually frees up the market as there is then the money in motion, clubs wont sell until they know the player they want to buy is available, and likewise his club will feel the same.....it's chicken and egg!
This will all happen over the final 3-4 days of the window, it always does, as that is when something has to give in negotiations - until then it is a staring game!
I await the fun and games, come on Saints!!!
Confucious
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11:35am Wed 22 Aug 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable.
For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't?
The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.
I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week.
I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
Footso
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11:36am Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Trop du vin Portugais?
kissmya%% wrote:....... yes, that, too! ............. and the cheese! .................... .. the the wine!Strasbourg Saint wrote: If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!Too much french bread I think.....
Heureux anniversaire, tardive, by the way!
Strasbourg Saint
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12:12pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Footso wrote:Ha! Merci beacoup!
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Trop du vin Portugais?
kissmya%% wrote:....... yes, that, too! ............. and the cheese! .................... .. the the wine!Strasbourg Saint wrote: If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!Too much french bread I think.....
Heureux anniversaire, tardive, by the way!
..... and you're dead right. The big 5-0 yesterday and the big headache today.
Here's hoping NC buys me a late pressy in the shape of Ramirez!
up saints
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12:12pm Wed 22 Aug 12
francey
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12:14pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint
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12:15pm Wed 22 Aug 12
St Retford wrote:I ate one of those once and spent the next few days on the loo. Since then, I've always made do with a chicken korma!
kissmya%% wrote:Marie Curie
Strasbourg Saint wrote:Too much french bread I think.....
If we don't hurry up and sort it out, Pompey will jump in and sign him!
mr tein
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12:17pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Just another reader wrote:ah the portsmouth approach to player purchasing. look where that got them
Just stump up the cash or we will miss another quality player.
SO50 Saint
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12:21pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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12:26pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable.
For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't?
The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.
I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week.
I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.
Warsash patriot
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1:06pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Carinthian Saint wrote:stop thinking like a championship supporter you are not you are premiership lets go for it
If it all goes through then great. Still seems a frightening prospect though paying those type of wages for one player. Still, the powers at be must know what they are doing.
RED ARRRRRRRRRRRMY!!!
Strasbourg Saint
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1:14pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SO50 Saint wrote:Agree about Davis, but he needs to watch what he eats if he's going to start 'chucking', whether it's 'in a few goals', or at both ends of every ground in the prem. :)
With the remark about Chris Marsden I can see Steve Davis being that sort of player plus chucking in a few goals
Warsash patriot
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1:19pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Warsash patriot
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1:24pm Wed 22 Aug 12
mr tein wrote:they held on to their good buys too long and were worth nothing in the end too old and past it but NC is buying young and for the future
Just another reader wrote:ah the portsmouth approach to player purchasing. look where that got them
Just stump up the cash or we will miss another quality player.
SO50 Saint
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1:27pm Wed 22 Aug 12
With the remark about Chris Marsden I can see Steve Davis being that sort of player plus chucking in a few goals
Agree about Davis, but he needs to watch what he eats if he's going to start 'chucking', whether it's 'in a few goals', or at both ends of every ground in the prem. :)”
Haha strasbourg I read that back to myself and thought what on earth did i type that for? Then just hoped it would get ignored :)
I really do think he will be an inspired signing for very little money anyone you hear speak about him always has good things to say.
Rising_Son
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1:29pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Warsash patriot wrote:I think I understand most of what you're saying, and even agree, but what exactly do you expect us to accumulate through speculating?
I think some of our supporters just don't get it, we are premiership if we wish to remain so especially for the 70% rise in income next year, then we must speculate to accumulate, take Ramirez for example he is young and will get better thus proving to be an investment he may be worth 30m in two or three years time if not we will surely get back what we paid for him, so come on lets take on the likes of manure, arse-nal and chelski
Rising_Son
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1:33pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Warsash patriot wrote:Actually, poopey didn't hold on to their good buys too long. Their good buys held on to them too long (or just about the right length of time, depending on your point of view).
mr tein wrote:they held on to their good buys too long and were worth nothing in the end too old and past it but NC is buying young and for the future
Just another reader wrote:ah the portsmouth approach to player purchasing. look where that got them
Just stump up the cash or we will miss another quality player.
worried of n e hampshire
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1:44pm Wed 22 Aug 12
http://www.joe.ie/fo
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FreeNelsonMantle
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1:46pm Wed 22 Aug 12
mike saint wrote:I dont think it was a case of us not paying quick enough, probably that the "3rd party" was one of the biggest clubs in the world, and now he's there
Just pay the money. Weve already lost out on Alex Buttner by not paying up quick enough.
Strasbourg Saint
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1:48pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SO50 Saint wrote:Agreed! JWP was excellent on Sunday, but I was surprised Davis didn't start ahead of him.
SO50 Saint wrote:
With the remark about Chris Marsden I can see Steve Davis being that sort of player plus chucking in a few goals
Agree about Davis, but he needs to watch what he eats if he's going to start 'chucking', whether it's 'in a few goals', or at both ends of every ground in the prem. :)”
Haha strasbourg I read that back to myself and thought what on earth did i type that for? Then just hoped it would get ignored :)
I really do think he will be an inspired signing for very little money anyone you hear speak about him always has good things to say.
Must have been something he ate!
WobblyCat
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1:48pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
Warsash patriot
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1:50pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Rising_Son wrote:All I am saying the playing staff is or real wealth and if you dip into the market with a relatively small sum of money (premiership wise) and sell on for an awful lot more in a few years that is good business.
Warsash patriot wrote:I think I understand most of what you're saying, and even agree, but what exactly do you expect us to accumulate through speculating?
I think some of our supporters just don't get it, we are premiership if we wish to remain so especially for the 70% rise in income next year, then we must speculate to accumulate, take Ramirez for example he is young and will get better thus proving to be an investment he may be worth 30m in two or three years time if not we will surely get back what we paid for him, so come on lets take on the likes of manure, arse-nal and chelski
FreeNelsonMantle
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1:57pm Wed 22 Aug 12
up saints wrote:We are one of the top 10 richest clubs. We NEED to offer these wages going forward to compete for these players.
if wages are 60k -70k a week forget it don;t want to end up the pompey way.lambert i think is max payed 30k
It's great how Saints have been but we will not be able to survive without adapting.
Strasbourg Saint
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2:07pm Wed 22 Aug 12
WobblyCat wrote:Oooooooooo, that sucks!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
No, no, no ....... wait a minute, that's not quite what I meant!
Confucious
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2:12pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Strasbourg Saint wrote:What did that guy have in the wonderful Dennis Potter drama "Penis from Heaven"?
WobblyCat wrote:Oooooooooo, that sucks!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
No, no, no ....... wait a minute, that's not quite what I meant!
Alicesdad
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2:13pm Wed 22 Aug 12
WobblyCat wrote:Gentlemen Gentlemen, show some decorum !! All very plausible. Sounds more like blowing in the wind. You will all be suffering from the problems of hyper inflation. I hope you are ready for the bubble to burst.
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
... and you couldn't fit a list of those creditors on both legs of a basektball player !!
Alicesdad
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2:16pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Confucious wrote:Any minute now you are going to be told off by the Echo ..
Strasbourg Saint wrote:What did that guy have in the wonderful Dennis Potter drama "Penis from Heaven"?
WobblyCat wrote:Oooooooooo, that sucks!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
No, no, no ....... wait a minute, that's not quite what I meant!
Stroppy_gramps
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2:20pm Wed 22 Aug 12
There's so much being printed about this deal that I'm not going to believe until he's at SMS holding a shirt up in front of the media.
Strasbourg Saint
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2:24pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Confucious wrote:..... and the really good news for those of us yet to be so lucky is indicated in the last line .........
Strasbourg Saint wrote:What did that guy have in the wonderful Dennis Potter drama "Penis from Heaven"?
WobblyCat wrote:Oooooooooo, that sucks!
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:I have a tatoo of portsmouths creditors on mine.
Confucious wrote:What an amazing coincidence I have a tattoo of a £100,000 note on mine! The only diffence being I am considerableeee richa than yow and have a much larger pen!s.Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote: For all those saying just pay the cash and get on with it, well maybe we can't? The family bankrolled our promotion and converted 30m debt to equity. They may have said to NC he can spend the income from the Prem but there will be no more cash from them. That income comes in during the course of the season and not as a big chunk. It maybe we simply don't have the cash to pay up front and can only pay as and when we receive Prem money ourselves. We also have to allow enough cash-flow for the other players we are after who won't be cheap either.Wise words Seed. Regardless of what we'd like, we MUST first make sure it's affordable. I like playing with money and I like watching it grow and yet my missus would be quite happy to blow ten grand every week. I made all three affordable by having a tattoo of a £10,000 note put on my willy.
No, no, no ....... wait a minute, that's not quite what I meant!
'So when you hear it thunder, don't run under a tree.
There's a penis from heaven for you and for me.
My tattoo's going to read, 'Bienvenue à Strasbourg, j'espère que vous apprécierez le vin, le fromage, le pain et le service diabolique.'
Can't wait!
Strasbourg Saint
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2:27pm Wed 22 Aug 12
D4mn, that's the Phillips, Ince and Ramirez deals scuppered then!
dixonbox
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2:34pm Wed 22 Aug 12
It would, however, appear as though they have been unable to complete a notable capture, with financial troubles at Bologna posing a problem.
Ramirez's representative says the Saints have now turned their attention elsewhere after failing to reach an agreement.
Oscar Betancourt has also sought to distance the 21-year-old from reports suggesting Tottenham or Liverpool could step in."
only1chopper
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2:35pm Wed 22 Aug 12
shirley-bill
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2:36pm Wed 22 Aug 12
insane saint
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2:41pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SaintPC
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2:43pm Wed 22 Aug 12
They know the deal structure, if they want to accept then they can!
Ball's in their court
Rising_Son
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2:45pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SO50 Saint
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2:47pm Wed 22 Aug 12
I'm not entirely gutted that this is gone go out and get Phillips and 2 strong centre backs and that will be a decent transfer window
Dino-Saw-Us
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2:48pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Him and Philips for just over £10m?
Severntrent
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2:53pm Wed 22 Aug 12
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:adapting? don't you mean 'cheating'?
up saints wrote:We are one of the top 10 richest clubs. We NEED to offer these wages going forward to compete for these players.
if wages are 60k -70k a week forget it don;t want to end up the pompey way.lambert i think is max payed 30k
It's great how Saints have been but we will not be able to survive without adapting.
Severntrent
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2:56pm Wed 22 Aug 12
RedArmy1 wrote:Are you advocating buying your way to success with a dead mans money? disgusting cheats!!! you should be thoroughly ashamed you are a disgrace to the game
We NEED a signing of this quality to be able to unlock teams in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY. COYR
Tongdii
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2:57pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SaintPC
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3:16pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Rising_Son wrote:They do need money, but they need cash rather than payment plans. Is we have offered 3m upfront with further payments staggered over the 4 year contract then you can see that doesnt get them over their current issue.
I'm not sure I quite understand. Bologna need money, so they turn down the best offer in order to get nothing? Any business geniuses out there, who can enlighten me to the logic of this. Seed?
They have been trying to take out a bank loan, using the payment plan from Saints as collateral against that loan.
So that way they get 12m upfront from the bank, with saints only paying as per the payment plan.
Rising_Son
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3:21pm Wed 22 Aug 12
SaintPC wrote:Thanks.
Rising_Son wrote:They do need money, but they need cash rather than payment plans. Is we have offered 3m upfront with further payments staggered over the 4 year contract then you can see that doesnt get them over their current issue.
I'm not sure I quite understand. Bologna need money, so they turn down the best offer in order to get nothing? Any business geniuses out there, who can enlighten me to the logic of this. Seed?
They have been trying to take out a bank loan, using the payment plan from Saints as collateral against that loan.
So that way they get 12m upfront from the bank, with saints only paying as per the payment plan.
OSPREYSAINT
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3:38pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Severntrent wrote:Now, now Billy don't get yourself in a state worrying about us, you have enough problems of your own just concentate on them instead, we will be OK, I promise, but it is nice that you care, lots of our posters simply do not realise that you are really a decent guy who is not getting the message across in the right way, thanks for trying but you needn't bother.
RedArmy1 wrote:Are you advocating buying your way to success with a dead mans money? disgusting cheats!!! you should be thoroughly ashamed you are a disgrace to the game
We NEED a signing of this quality to be able to unlock teams in the PREMIER LEAGUE.
WE ARE SOUTHAMPTON.
RED ARMY. COYR
FreeNelsonMantle
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3:46pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Severntrent wrote:Its "cheating" if you buy players you can't afford..... KANU!?
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:adapting? don't you mean 'cheating'?
up saints wrote:We are one of the top 10 richest clubs. We NEED to offer these wages going forward to compete for these players.
if wages are 60k -70k a week forget it don;t want to end up the pompey way.lambert i think is max payed 30k
It's great how Saints have been but we will not be able to survive without adapting.
Skunt
Ricardo Rocha - Face Squasher
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5:57pm Wed 22 Aug 12
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:Wages at 93% of turover last season, £33m of debt had to be wiped out by your owners....
Severntrent wrote:Its "cheating" if you buy players you can't afford..... KANU!?
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:adapting? don't you mean 'cheating'?
up saints wrote:We are one of the top 10 richest clubs. We NEED to offer these wages going forward to compete for these players.
if wages are 60k -70k a week forget it don;t want to end up the pompey way.lambert i think is max payed 30k
It's great how Saints have been but we will not be able to survive without adapting.
Skunt
Can you really afford it hmmmm.........
OSPREYSAINT
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7:26pm Wed 22 Aug 12
Ricardo Rocha - Face Squasher wrote:Can who, afford what exactly? You are rambling.
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:Wages at 93% of turover last season, £33m of debt had to be wiped out by your owners....
Severntrent wrote:Its "cheating" if you buy players you can't afford..... KANU!?
FreeNelsonMantle wrote:adapting? don't you mean 'cheating'?
up saints wrote:We are one of the top 10 richest clubs. We NEED to offer these wages going forward to compete for these players.
if wages are 60k -70k a week forget it don;t want to end up the pompey way.lambert i think is max payed 30k
It's great how Saints have been but we will not be able to survive without adapting.
Skunt
Can you really afford it hmmmm.........
Hobson82
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9:47am Thu 23 Aug 12
Flashin the pan
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11:58am Thu 23 Aug 12
You could beat Wigan on saturday as they will be probably another side stuck in the relegation zone for most of their games...could be a simular scenario to your season.
SO50 Saint
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12:04pm Thu 23 Aug 12
You could beat Wigan on Saturday as they will be probably another side stuck in the relegation zone for most of their games...could be a SIMILAR scenario to your season.”
Just updating your spelling do they not have schools down Portsmouth?
Flashin the pan
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12:17pm Thu 23 Aug 12
SO50 Saint
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12:24pm Thu 23 Aug 12
I don't understand this bit you are talking gibberish again. BTW was the away end full at Colchester didnt look like it from the highlights on sky sports thats the whole stand like we took on both occasions
Flashin the pan
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12:34pm Thu 23 Aug 12
SO50 Saint wrote:Only 3 mistakes then? Southampton schools i went to didn't do me any favours for sure. Too much visiting derby rd maybe? Still here in the Philippines it's less of a problem...99% speak English the weather's great and beer's cheap and the girls are just... beautifullllllllllll
Why WASTE good money on one WINGER, facing relegation by the end of the season and one of your players being paid 70k a week for 2/3 years stuck in the Championship... won't look to clever. You could beat Wigan on Saturday as they will be probably another side stuck in the relegation zone for most of their games...could be a SIMILAR scenario to your season.” Just updating your spelling do they not have schools down Portsmouth?
ll.
Pompey 2-0
Saints 1-2
SO50 Saint
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12:49pm Thu 23 Aug 12
saintkenny
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2:38pm Thu 23 Aug 12
redsnapper wrote:simple qpr is paying well above the wage structure **** the owner is paying.we will not do this ,and go over budget .cortesse and adkins have quoted this s few times
Those QPR signings look a good move, why arent we in there? especially Carvaliho...
One huge plus of being in the Prem is very few midweek matches, less injuries
more recovery time so cant wait till Saturday..Hope Fox redeems himself.
warrens 76
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6:00pm Fri 24 Aug 12
SO50 Saint wrote:Clearly they do not..
Why WASTE good money on one WINGER, facing relegation by the end of the season and one of your players being paid 70k a week for 2/3 years stuck in the Championship... won't look to clever.
You could beat Wigan on Saturday as they will be probably another side stuck in the relegation zone for most of their games...could be a SIMILAR scenario to your season.”
Just updating your spelling do they not have schools down Portsmouth?
Cheapshot says...
8:44am Wed 22 Aug 12