Southampton striker Gaston Ramirez could be out until mid-November

Ramirez agony: Saints £12m star could be out for weeks

Ramirez agony: Saints £12m star could be out for weeks

First published in Saints News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Senior Sports Reporter

GASTON Ramirez could be out of action for up to six weeks, after requiring hospital treatment for a leg injury.

The club-record signing missed Sunday’s 2-2 draw with Fulham after being hurt in training last Thursday.

Ramirez sustained what manager Nigel Adkins described as a “dead leg”, which resulted in severe swelling in the player’s thigh.

The injury required the £12m attacker to spend a few days in hospital, where staff relieved the pressure in his leg.

But Saints now fear that the 21- year-old could be absent until mid- November while he continues to heal.

That would cast into doubt his availability for the club’s next four Premier League fixtures – against West Ham, Tottenham, West Brom and Swansea.

However, Saints will continue to assess the injury and are retaining hope that Ramirez can make a quicker-than-expected recovery.

The former Bologna player has already pulled out of the Uruguay squad for the upcoming World Cup qualifiers against Argentina and Bolivia.

Adkins said after the Fulham game that the injury had been “quite a serious one”.“The muscle swelled up very much because there was nowhere for the blood to go, so there was a lot of pressure on his thigh,” he said.

“He has had to have a couple of days in hospital to try and relieve the pressure, so obviously he is not going to go and join the Uruguayan team over the international break.”

Ramirez has made three appearances for Saints since completing his move to the club on transfer deadline day.

He scored his first goal for the club in the 3-1 defeat at Everton just over a week ago.

West Ham will be without Ricardo Vaz Te for their clash with Saints at Upton Park on Saturday October 20 after the forward dislocated a shoulder in the club’s 3-1 defeat against Arsenal on Saturday.

Hammers boss Sam Allardyce said: “It will be six to 12 weeks depending.

“We can't get it back so he is going to have to go to hospital to have an anaesthetic put in it to slot the shoulder back into the socket.”

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7:51am Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Bum. I think players over say £10m should be banned from getting injured!

How far off is Jack Cork?
Bum. I think players over say £10m should be banned from getting injured! How far off is Jack Cork? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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7:51am Tue 9 Oct 12

SouthamptonLegend says...

Ffs!!!

I thought everything would be fine as long as Ramirez plays! Oh well, time for Lallana to step up his game!
Ffs!!! I thought everything would be fine as long as Ramirez plays! Oh well, time for Lallana to step up his game! SouthamptonLegend
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8:04am Tue 9 Oct 12

Little Hitler says...

Bad news is bad.
Bad news is bad. Little Hitler
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8:21am Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav. St Retford
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8:57am Tue 9 Oct 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

He has been great in our team since his arrival,truly classy.
He will be missed for sure.
The one good thing is that we will now see the real ability of our other mid field players who have to lift their game.
I want to see them dominate the mid field more,more agression.
Put their foot in if needed.
Basically become more streetwise in this division.
Little tugs little nudges these are the things that make the difference at this level.
I know the purists will say we want to play the Southampton way i.e Fairly,
I do also, but to do that we have to survive first.
Our captain Adam Lallana currently is trying to hard,yes he is obviously trying to lead by example.
He wants to be everywhere and I think he is losing his way.
Often not anywhere we need him particularly when our left is being attacked.
(Our Achilles Heel) Most goals against are deriving from this position.
If you read this Adam, take stock of your game do what is is best for Saints let the others have to take responsibility.
SAINTS FOREVER
COYR.
He has been great in our team since his arrival,truly classy. He will be missed for sure. The one good thing is that we will now see the real ability of our other mid field players who have to lift their game. I want to see them dominate the mid field more,more agression. Put their foot in if needed. Basically become more streetwise in this division. Little tugs little nudges these are the things that make the difference at this level. I know the purists will say we want to play the Southampton way i.e Fairly, I do also, but to do that we have to survive first. Our captain Adam Lallana currently is trying to hard,yes he is obviously trying to lead by example. He wants to be everywhere and I think he is losing his way. Often not anywhere we need him particularly when our left is being attacked. (Our Achilles Heel) Most goals against are deriving from this position. If you read this Adam, take stock of your game do what is is best for Saints let the others have to take responsibility. SAINTS FOREVER COYR. SFCOLDBOY
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8:58am Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training.... MGRA
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9:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

Puddletown Saint says...

I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked

Alwful set of fixtures
Terrible manager decisions
Now injuries to our star players

Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL

COYR
I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked Alwful set of fixtures Terrible manager decisions Now injuries to our star players Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL COYR Puddletown Saint
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9:07am Tue 9 Oct 12

puppy saint says...

MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season. puppy saint
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9:08am Tue 9 Oct 12

Saints + Wigan fan II says...

:(
:( Saints + Wigan fan II
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9:10am Tue 9 Oct 12

saintand266 says...

Absolutely gutted for Gaston and the team as a whole as we looked much better with him in it , maybe we could have some positive news for a change . Hopefully Tad Lee will be back soon as that will be like a new signing and we could do with his non stop energy .
Absolutely gutted for Gaston and the team as a whole as we looked much better with him in it , maybe we could have some positive news for a change . Hopefully Tad Lee will be back soon as that will be like a new signing and we could do with his non stop energy . saintand266
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9:12am Tue 9 Oct 12

Dickosfc says...

Cr@p news!! We need Gastons quality in the team. I think Mayuka needs a shot
Cr@p news!! We need Gastons quality in the team. I think Mayuka needs a shot Dickosfc
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9:14am Tue 9 Oct 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

Saints + Wigan fan II wrote:
:(
Have you only got 2 keys on your key board or is it a secret code.
[quote][p][bold]Saints + Wigan fan II[/bold] wrote: :([/p][/quote]Have you only got 2 keys on your key board or is it a secret code. SFCOLDBOY
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9:20am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience..
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience.. SaintMax
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9:23am Tue 9 Oct 12

Velleity says...

I bet Guly did it.
I bet Guly did it. Velleity
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9:25am Tue 9 Oct 12

Dickosfc says...

In other news, Jos Hooiveld has tweeted that he his happy with his progress in getting the golden boot........
In other news, Jos Hooiveld has tweeted that he his happy with his progress in getting the golden boot........ Dickosfc
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9:27am Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back. OSPREYSAINT
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9:27am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Velleity wrote:
I bet Guly did it.
Fox wouldnt have got close enough
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I bet Guly did it.[/p][/quote]Fox wouldnt have got close enough SaintMax
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9:29am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

I heard the squad have been training with 2 Para on Salisbury Plain and poor Ramirez was mistaken for "an effing Argie" - with rough consequences.

Annoying, as I told Nicola weeks ago to avoid these awful people and link up instead with an armoured regiment which retains all the refined and gentlemanly traditions of the imperial cavalry and does not let the riff raff in.

If Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge attended a home match would they be put in the middle of the Northam stand to be pick-pocketed, groped and vomitted upon by the teaming intoxicated undesirables? I think not.
I heard the squad have been training with 2 Para on Salisbury Plain and poor Ramirez was mistaken for "an effing Argie" - with rough consequences. Annoying, as I told Nicola weeks ago to avoid these awful people and link up instead with an armoured regiment which retains all the refined and gentlemanly traditions of the imperial cavalry and does not let the riff raff in. If Prince William and the Duchess of Cambridge attended a home match would they be put in the middle of the Northam stand to be pick-pocketed, groped and vomitted upon by the teaming intoxicated undesirables? I think not. Confucious
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9:29am Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded.
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded. MGRA
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9:37am Tue 9 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

At long as Guly and Fonte stay fit we'll be fine.
At long as Guly and Fonte stay fit we'll be fine. Nicole23
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9:39am Tue 9 Oct 12

puppy saint says...

MGRA wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded.
So it's obvious to you that if Adkins had left SRL on the pitch then we wouldn't have conceded 2 goals?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded.[/p][/quote]So it's obvious to you that if Adkins had left SRL on the pitch then we wouldn't have conceded 2 goals? puppy saint
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9:40am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

SaintMax wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience..
Great - are you saying that in fact his leg is not actually dead?

If so, that's downright good news.

I really rate Gaston, but in all honesty I couldn't see him coping with the pace of the Prem with only one leg.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience..[/p][/quote]Great - are you saying that in fact his leg is not actually dead? If so, that's downright good news. I really rate Gaston, but in all honesty I couldn't see him coping with the pace of the Prem with only one leg. Confucious
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9:41am Tue 9 Oct 12

Alicesdad says...

Some sensible posts and everyone is keeping it in perspective.

Get well soon Gaston, but make sure you heal first.

I am most impressed by some of the medical teminology being quoted, you always knew that watching ER, Casualty and Holby City would pay off one day. Anything beyond a band aid is beyond me. No doubt the club
witch doctors are shaking their rattles and beads and all will be well.

Let's reflect that we are Premier League, we have had some bad luck, it happens, get over it.

The doom ghouls can nash their teeth, wring their hands in self pity and whine and wail, but the true fans know we will prevail. So smile !!

We have the players to get thorugh this and come out smiling and in a healthy league position.

Altogether now, "Always look on the bright side .........."
Some sensible posts and everyone is keeping it in perspective. Get well soon Gaston, but make sure you heal first. I am most impressed by some of the medical teminology being quoted, you always knew that watching ER, Casualty and Holby City would pay off one day. Anything beyond a band aid is beyond me. No doubt the club witch doctors are shaking their rattles and beads and all will be well. Let's reflect that we are Premier League, we have had some bad luck, it happens, get over it. The doom ghouls can nash their teeth, wring their hands in self pity and whine and wail, but the true fans know we will prevail. So smile !! We have the players to get thorugh this and come out smiling and in a healthy league position. Altogether now, "Always look on the bright side .........." Alicesdad
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9:47am Tue 9 Oct 12

magnette says...

Only one dead leg? Can't he play in defence, then?
Only one dead leg? Can't he play in defence, then? magnette
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9:58am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Confucious wrote:
SaintMax wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience..
Great - are you saying that in fact his leg is not actually dead?

If so, that's downright good news.

I really rate Gaston, but in all honesty I couldn't see him coping with the pace of the Prem with only one leg.
he could go into the saints record books as the first parapelgic Saints midfield player? Though some may say (not me) that we may have already have had a paraplegic defender..
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]typically an injury caused by bashing the muscle against the bone and often involving quadriceps muscle; without immediate compression, the ensuing hematoma and pain can be substantial.. in my experience..[/p][/quote]Great - are you saying that in fact his leg is not actually dead? If so, that's downright good news. I really rate Gaston, but in all honesty I couldn't see him coping with the pace of the Prem with only one leg.[/p][/quote]he could go into the saints record books as the first parapelgic Saints midfield player? Though some may say (not me) that we may have already have had a paraplegic defender.. SaintMax
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10:01am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

Anyone know which leg it is that's dead?

AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules.

The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.
Anyone know which leg it is that's dead? AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules. The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston. Confucious
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10:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

Velleity says...

MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
I suggest that we stop training. That way the team will never have injuries that stop them playing.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]I suggest that we stop training. That way the team will never have injuries that stop them playing. Velleity
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10:03am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

Alicesdad wrote:
Some sensible posts and everyone is keeping it in perspective.

Get well soon Gaston, but make sure you heal first.

I am most impressed by some of the medical teminology being quoted, you always knew that watching ER, Casualty and Holby City would pay off one day. Anything beyond a band aid is beyond me. No doubt the club
witch doctors are shaking their rattles and beads and all will be well.

Let's reflect that we are Premier League, we have had some bad luck, it happens, get over it.

The doom ghouls can nash their teeth, wring their hands in self pity and whine and wail, but the true fans know we will prevail. So smile !!

We have the players to get thorugh this and come out smiling and in a healthy league position.

Altogether now, "Always look on the bright side .........."
Spot on. Keep it cheerful and keep it sensible guys.
[quote][p][bold]Alicesdad[/bold] wrote: Some sensible posts and everyone is keeping it in perspective. Get well soon Gaston, but make sure you heal first. I am most impressed by some of the medical teminology being quoted, you always knew that watching ER, Casualty and Holby City would pay off one day. Anything beyond a band aid is beyond me. No doubt the club witch doctors are shaking their rattles and beads and all will be well. Let's reflect that we are Premier League, we have had some bad luck, it happens, get over it. The doom ghouls can nash their teeth, wring their hands in self pity and whine and wail, but the true fans know we will prevail. So smile !! We have the players to get thorugh this and come out smiling and in a healthy league position. Altogether now, "Always look on the bright side .........."[/p][/quote]Spot on. Keep it cheerful and keep it sensible guys. Confucious
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10:04am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Confucious wrote:
Anyone know which leg it is that's dead?

AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules.

The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.
Are AFC Khartoum a Nigerian team? Do they also ask for bank account details up front?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Anyone know which leg it is that's dead? AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules. The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.[/p][/quote]Are AFC Khartoum a Nigerian team? Do they also ask for bank account details up front? SaintMax
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10:08am Tue 9 Oct 12

Rising_Son says...

Confucious wrote:
Anyone know which leg it is that's dead?

AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules.

The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.
It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Anyone know which leg it is that's dead? AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules. The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.[/p][/quote]It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston. Rising_Son
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10:48am Tue 9 Oct 12

Just another reader says...

The real **** about all this was that Guly was the one that flattened him!
The real **** about all this was that Guly was the one that flattened him! Just another reader
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10:51am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

thats two people who have said that so it must be true.
thats two people who have said that so it must be true. SaintMax
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10:51am Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
puppy saint wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....
Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.
No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded.
So it's obvious to you that if Adkins had left SRL on the pitch then we wouldn't have conceded 2 goals?
It has been said that the collective groan in the city when that substitution was made cause a minor quake. Back to Gaston... he is very unlucky. or is he ? English football is back in the dark ages compared to most of Europe. Coaching is the remit of the FA so what they say is what largely is done during "training".... the result. Players are over twice as likely to be injured during training than their Italian and Spanish counterparts. There are also questions and debate about the very foundation of some of the FA coaching. For instance, the stance on not promoting gentle static stretching is not only counter intuative but contradict most other sports. For humans who are genetically designed for short burst running from stationary, its common sense to have some static stretching in any training regime. Not so say the FA. Just one example.
[quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]puppy saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: Sounds like Saints need to look again at their training !? This was an internal bleed, not just a "dead leg". You very rarely see that in matches, let alone training....[/p][/quote]Wow! The first arm chair physio of the season.[/p][/quote]No just stating the obvious. A bit like RL off + Guly on = 2 goals conceded.[/p][/quote]So it's obvious to you that if Adkins had left SRL on the pitch then we wouldn't have conceded 2 goals?[/p][/quote]It has been said that the collective groan in the city when that substitution was made cause a minor quake. Back to Gaston... he is very unlucky. or is he ? English football is back in the dark ages compared to most of Europe. Coaching is the remit of the FA so what they say is what largely is done during "training".... the result. Players are over twice as likely to be injured during training than their Italian and Spanish counterparts. There are also questions and debate about the very foundation of some of the FA coaching. For instance, the stance on not promoting gentle static stretching is not only counter intuative but contradict most other sports. For humans who are genetically designed for short burst running from stationary, its common sense to have some static stretching in any training regime. Not so say the FA. Just one example. MGRA
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10:53am Tue 9 Oct 12

JohnItaly says...

SaintMax wrote:
thats two people who have said that so it must be true.
Can't be true it's not in the Daily Mail.
[quote][p][bold]SaintMax[/bold] wrote: thats two people who have said that so it must be true.[/p][/quote]Can't be true it's not in the Daily Mail. JohnItaly
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10:54am Tue 9 Oct 12

dopplershift says...

He's potentially out for 6 weeks fine. We've got 2 weeks international break in which time he may make a better recovery than expected. Remember the headline is 'Could' be out til mid november. I predict 2 weeks eating ice cream with his leg up and then light training and then back into action only missing the west ham game. More importantly for saints is getting clyne and richardson back. We've got attack options just no defensive options.
He's potentially out for 6 weeks fine. We've got 2 weeks international break in which time he may make a better recovery than expected. Remember the headline is 'Could' be out til mid november. I predict 2 weeks eating ice cream with his leg up and then light training and then back into action only missing the west ham game. More importantly for saints is getting clyne and richardson back. We've got attack options just no defensive options. dopplershift
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10:56am Tue 9 Oct 12

wsxsaint says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Anyone know which leg it is that's dead?

AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules.

The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.
It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston.
It is a Nigerian left leg and it has failed the FA fit and proper test. "It is not right nor fair" said a PFC representative.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Anyone know which leg it is that's dead? AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules. The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.[/p][/quote]It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston.[/p][/quote]It is a Nigerian left leg and it has failed the FA fit and proper test. "It is not right nor fair" said a PFC representative. wsxsaint
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11:05am Tue 9 Oct 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

spurs will be a cricket score.
spurs will be a cricket score. arthur dalyrimple
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11:06am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

Rising_Son wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Anyone know which leg it is that's dead?

AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules.

The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.
It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston.
I think you are pulling our leg.

The Khartoum leg is far too honest to run Poopey and that club can't operate legitimately.

I think however a knob is available.

Meantime we should go for the leg. Once fitted I can see this leg netting at least 14 goals. I can hear the Northam chant now: "Gaston Ramirez is a legend!"
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Anyone know which leg it is that's dead? AFC Khartoum (admittedly an ethically dodgy organisation) has a deep frozen footballer's left leg available for transfer for £1m (including fitting). This would be unaffected by the transfer rules. The only ownside is that it's a black leg, so it will look a bit odd on Gaston.[/p][/quote]It may look black but it is, in fact, a Sudanese Arab leg, and it is about to become poopey's new owner. Sorry Gaston.[/p][/quote]I think you are pulling our leg. The Khartoum leg is far too honest to run Poopey and that club can't operate legitimately. I think however a knob is available. Meantime we should go for the leg. Once fitted I can see this leg netting at least 14 goals. I can hear the Northam chant now: "Gaston Ramirez is a legend!" Confucious
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11:15am Tue 9 Oct 12

Licky_Rambert says...

guly has obviously been running around giving people grandads...
guly has obviously been running around giving people grandads... Licky_Rambert
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11:15am Tue 9 Oct 12

franiow says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.
If you get a haematoma (bruise) on the outside of your leg, you get a bruise and a bump, but blood cannot escape and the result is pain and severe swelling. Gaston's was bad enough for 2 days in hospital to get swelling down. Can't see him being able to do anything for a while apart from regular trips to physio. He is going to be very bored in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Perhaps Seaborne could take him out :-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.[/p][/quote]If you get a haematoma (bruise) on the outside of your leg, you get a bruise and a bump, but blood cannot escape and the result is pain and severe swelling. Gaston's was bad enough for 2 days in hospital to get swelling down. Can't see him being able to do anything for a while apart from regular trips to physio. He is going to be very bored in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Perhaps Seaborne could take him out :-) franiow
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11:18am Tue 9 Oct 12

franiow says...

franiow wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.
If you get a haematoma (bruise) on the outside of your leg, you get a bruise and a bump, but blood cannot escape and the result is pain and severe swelling. Gaston's was bad enough for 2 days in hospital to get swelling down. Can't see him being able to do anything for a while apart from regular trips to physio. He is going to be very bored in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Perhaps Seaborne could take him out :-)
should read: but if it is internal blood cannot escape etc.
[quote][p][bold]franiow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.[/p][/quote]If you get a haematoma (bruise) on the outside of your leg, you get a bruise and a bump, but blood cannot escape and the result is pain and severe swelling. Gaston's was bad enough for 2 days in hospital to get swelling down. Can't see him being able to do anything for a while apart from regular trips to physio. He is going to be very bored in a country where he doesn't speak the language. Perhaps Seaborne could take him out :-)[/p][/quote]should read: but if it is internal blood cannot escape etc. franiow
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11:22am Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion.

Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend.

I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice.

I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance.
If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion. Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend. I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice. I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance. Confucious
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11:25am Tue 9 Oct 12

Southampton boy says...

This is bad news for saints he is the play maker we made hard work of it on sat-day with out someone in the middle but what it does do is show just how light saints our as we have no one to take his place just like deffence.
Question does anyone know whats going on with saints training ground on hold no food and rinks on Sat-day SMS we have reported that we are connected to some loan company? only problem with saints no info COYR's
This is bad news for saints he is the play maker we made hard work of it on sat-day with out someone in the middle but what it does do is show just how light saints our as we have no one to take his place just like deffence. Question does anyone know whats going on with saints training ground on hold no food and rinks on Sat-day SMS we have reported that we are connected to some loan company? only problem with saints no info COYR's Southampton boy
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11:30am Tue 9 Oct 12

Folkestone Saint says...

Cr@p, my son and I were hoping to see him at our first game of the season against spurs, ( I know I'm am not a sth and am not worthy of comment, sorry). Better news is I have managed to get my wife and daughter on the register(no not that one) bad news is the day out will cost over £200
Cr@p, my son and I were hoping to see him at our first game of the season against spurs, ( I know I'm am not a sth and am not worthy of comment, sorry). Better news is I have managed to get my wife and daughter on the register(no not that one) bad news is the day out will cost over £200 Folkestone Saint
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11:31am Tue 9 Oct 12

randre says...

It seems for us the International break may have come at a good time then!!

I hope Gaston heals soon and also hope that Clyne is OK.

As somebody said above, I also hope Tad Lee will be making a return from injury soon.

With these players missing on Saturday it was always going to be difficult.

I find it funny that all the Doom Merchants from the town of Doomville never consider small things like "key injuries" when moaning about the team....

It must be Guly's fault, or is it Fox, or Davis, no Must be NA's and NC's.... Sack them all then!
It seems for us the International break may have come at a good time then!! I hope Gaston heals soon and also hope that Clyne is OK. As somebody said above, I also hope Tad Lee will be making a return from injury soon. With these players missing on Saturday it was always going to be difficult. I find it funny that all the Doom Merchants from the town of Doomville never consider small things like "key injuries" when moaning about the team.... It must be Guly's fault, or is it Fox, or Davis, no Must be NA's and NC's.... Sack them all then! randre
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11:32am Tue 9 Oct 12

saintshorse101 says...

well its not good news is it. we will now have to win the games without him, it would have been easier with him but that option has gone now. its no use comming on here if we dont do well in the next game saying that we would have played better with gaston and that the training regimen is to blame for his injury.
lets get behind the team the manager and the players he picks, oh and try not to second guess subbs as you will never know what would of or would not have happend!
well its not good news is it. we will now have to win the games without him, it would have been easier with him but that option has gone now. its no use comming on here if we dont do well in the next game saying that we would have played better with gaston and that the training regimen is to blame for his injury. lets get behind the team the manager and the players he picks, oh and try not to second guess subbs as you will never know what would of or would not have happend! saintshorse101
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11:32am Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintMax says...

Confucious wrote:
If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion.

Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend.

I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice.

I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance.
Well the bad news is that it was his favoured left leg that took the hit, but the good news is to ensure he can remain a 'left footer' they are grafting the still useable left foot onto his right leg.
There will be a separate service for the right foot.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion. Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend. I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice. I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance.[/p][/quote]Well the bad news is that it was his favoured left leg that took the hit, but the good news is to ensure he can remain a 'left footer' they are grafting the still useable left foot onto his right leg. There will be a separate service for the right foot. SaintMax
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11:53am Tue 9 Oct 12

Sainty saint saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.
Just gives someone else in the squad the chance to step up to the plate and show what they're made of.

And to be honest, knowing Fat Sam's teams, some West Ham player would probably have set out to crock him anyway, so probably best he isn't playing.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Gustav? Gaston surely? Is there a doctor in the house who can explain in laymans terms why this is so serious, it is obviously not a simple deadleg, there was a term used 'haematoma' which sounds awful and the fact that he needed hospitalization made it obvious that it wasn't a trivial injury. Just get well as soon as possible and it will be like a new signing all over again when you are back.[/p][/quote]Just gives someone else in the squad the chance to step up to the plate and show what they're made of. And to be honest, knowing Fat Sam's teams, some West Ham player would probably have set out to crock him anyway, so probably best he isn't playing. Sainty saint saint
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12:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

toutlaw says...

Doesn't matter we've got Guly Do Prado and he must be worth what £13 million, his pass completion rate is just fantastic.
Deserves to play every game, he's got exactly the right attitude for our club.
Doesn't matter we've got Guly Do Prado and he must be worth what £13 million, his pass completion rate is just fantastic. Deserves to play every game, he's got exactly the right attitude for our club. toutlaw
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12:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment.
Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston.
Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment. Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston. Mush On The Beach
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12:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Ramirez won't play until december.
Ramirez won't play until december. MGRA
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12:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Do you reckon Injury Lawyers For You will get us a pay out on this one?
Do you reckon Injury Lawyers For You will get us a pay out on this one? OSPREYSAINT
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12:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

randre says...

Mush On The Beach wrote:
Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment.
Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston.
Oh yes, I can't wait for that... Followed by the stream of endless abuse to the "rose tinted glass wearing, happy clappy fans" - and "I told you so" and "I knew our training is not Premier Standard, who in our coaching set up has Premier League experience?"...Then followed by more abuse to the SUPPORTERS who are deluded because, shock horror, they support! Followed by more "bring in Glenn NOW" then "we need more players NOW" followed by more abuse for the supporters and followed by.....

Well, you get the idea!
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment. Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston.[/p][/quote]Oh yes, I can't wait for that... Followed by the stream of endless abuse to the "rose tinted glass wearing, happy clappy fans" - and "I told you so" and "I knew our training is not Premier Standard, who in our coaching set up has Premier League experience?"...Then followed by more abuse to the SUPPORTERS who are deluded because, shock horror, they support! Followed by more "bring in Glenn NOW" then "we need more players NOW" followed by more abuse for the supporters and followed by..... Well, you get the idea! randre
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12:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

randre wrote:
Mush On The Beach wrote:
Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment.
Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston.
Oh yes, I can't wait for that... Followed by the stream of endless abuse to the "rose tinted glass wearing, happy clappy fans" - and "I told you so" and "I knew our training is not Premier Standard, who in our coaching set up has Premier League experience?"...Then followed by more abuse to the SUPPORTERS who are deluded because, shock horror, they support! Followed by more "bring in Glenn NOW" then "we need more players NOW" followed by more abuse for the supporters and followed by.....

Well, you get the idea!
the reality is somewhere in the middle. NA is the man for the job but he is not being well advised. We do need more players but thats just bad luck. NA would not have let a couple go that he did if he knew he would have this injury nightmare. You are always going to get morons who want charlatans like Hoddle and Saggy to come back and wreak havoc but most real supporters are realistic. NA does look well out of his depth, and thats no surprise really. But the fix is not to sling him out, its to get him into his depth asap....
[quote][p][bold]randre[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote: Poor old Nigel can’t buy a trick at the moment. Cue The Boorer to come on here spouting the virtues of bringing in Hoddle and Eileen with her magic sponge to assist Nigel and Gaston.[/p][/quote]Oh yes, I can't wait for that... Followed by the stream of endless abuse to the "rose tinted glass wearing, happy clappy fans" - and "I told you so" and "I knew our training is not Premier Standard, who in our coaching set up has Premier League experience?"...Then followed by more abuse to the SUPPORTERS who are deluded because, shock horror, they support! Followed by more "bring in Glenn NOW" then "we need more players NOW" followed by more abuse for the supporters and followed by..... Well, you get the idea![/p][/quote]the reality is somewhere in the middle. NA is the man for the job but he is not being well advised. We do need more players but thats just bad luck. NA would not have let a couple go that he did if he knew he would have this injury nightmare. You are always going to get morons who want charlatans like Hoddle and Saggy to come back and wreak havoc but most real supporters are realistic. NA does look well out of his depth, and thats no surprise really. But the fix is not to sling him out, its to get him into his depth asap.... MGRA
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12:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Nicole23 says...

I bet Guly did this.
I bet Guly did this. Nicole23
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1:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

seventh-junction says...

Great news...not!
Looks like we'll have to rely on RL AL turning it on against the Hammers and Spuds.(2-1 and 3-2 Saints with RL and AL playing blinders!!)
Any news on Tadanari Lee yet?
Great news...not! Looks like we'll have to rely on RL AL turning it on against the Hammers and Spuds.(2-1 and 3-2 Saints with RL and AL playing blinders!!) Any news on Tadanari Lee yet? seventh-junction
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1:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

JohnItaly says...

Puddletown Saint wrote:
I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked

Alwful set of fixtures
Terrible manager decisions
Now injuries to our star players

Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL

COYR
The luck certainly is not with NA at the moment. Difficult start to the season - longish term injuries to Cork & Lee and now Ramirez - and substitutions not working well. Having just seen highlights of Fulham game on Saints Player thought NA looked very down before the game began with the look of a man under pressure. At half time he must have thought "what have I done wrong" as on another day Saints could easily have been 3/4 up. Then to add salt to the wound Fulham score with two massive deflections. Under these circumstances one can only keep staying positive and remembering the tide allows turns.

If NC does decide a managerial change is required hope he brings in not necessarily a good one but a licky one.
[quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked Alwful set of fixtures Terrible manager decisions Now injuries to our star players Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL COYR[/p][/quote]The luck certainly is not with NA at the moment. Difficult start to the season - longish term injuries to Cork & Lee and now Ramirez - and substitutions not working well. Having just seen highlights of Fulham game on Saints Player thought NA looked very down before the game began with the look of a man under pressure. At half time he must have thought "what have I done wrong" as on another day Saints could easily have been 3/4 up. Then to add salt to the wound Fulham score with two massive deflections. Under these circumstances one can only keep staying positive and remembering the tide allows turns. If NC does decide a managerial change is required hope he brings in not necessarily a good one but a licky one. JohnItaly
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1:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

JohnItaly says...

JohnItaly wrote:
Puddletown Saint wrote:
I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked

Alwful set of fixtures
Terrible manager decisions
Now injuries to our star players

Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL

COYR
The luck certainly is not with NA at the moment. Difficult start to the season - longish term injuries to Cork & Lee and now Ramirez - and substitutions not working well. Having just seen highlights of Fulham game on Saints Player thought NA looked very down before the game began with the look of a man under pressure. At half time he must have thought "what have I done wrong" as on another day Saints could easily have been 3/4 up. Then to add salt to the wound Fulham score with two massive deflections. Under these circumstances one can only keep staying positive and remembering the tide allows turns.

If NC does decide a managerial change is required hope he brings in not necessarily a good one but a licky one.
For "licky" read "lucky"!
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Puddletown Saint[/bold] wrote: I am not normally glass half empty but this start of the season does seemed jinked Alwful set of fixtures Terrible manager decisions Now injuries to our star players Glad it is the international break and that and that Adam and Rickie can br tucked up in bed......although the way it is going they would fall out LOL COYR[/p][/quote]The luck certainly is not with NA at the moment. Difficult start to the season - longish term injuries to Cork & Lee and now Ramirez - and substitutions not working well. Having just seen highlights of Fulham game on Saints Player thought NA looked very down before the game began with the look of a man under pressure. At half time he must have thought "what have I done wrong" as on another day Saints could easily have been 3/4 up. Then to add salt to the wound Fulham score with two massive deflections. Under these circumstances one can only keep staying positive and remembering the tide allows turns. If NC does decide a managerial change is required hope he brings in not necessarily a good one but a licky one.[/p][/quote]For "licky" read "lucky"! JohnItaly
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1:27pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SaintJD says...

Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left.

Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.
Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left. Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out. SaintJD
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1:31pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

SaintJD wrote:
Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left.

Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.
Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle?

Nor have I.

:(

Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left. Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.[/p][/quote]Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle? Nor have I. :( Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes. St Retford
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1:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Retford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left.

Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.
Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle?

Nor have I.

:(

Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes.
Are they some kind of modern day Andrews Sisters?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left. Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.[/p][/quote]Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle? Nor have I. :( Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes.[/p][/quote]Are they some kind of modern day Andrews Sisters? OSPREYSAINT
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2:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
St Retford wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left.

Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.
Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle?

Nor have I.

:(

Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes.
Are they some kind of modern day Andrews Sisters?
Heh - pretty much.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Serious suggestion - couldn't Puncheon provide cover at right back? I thought NA may have tried that on Sunday - got to be more comfortable there than Maya, due to his pace and strength. Would still need to get forward though as wouldn't want to lose his attacking threat, but Clyne seems to do OK in that type of role on the left. Maya is needed in the centre anyway with Fonte. I'd then go Mayuka, Rickie and Lallana as the attacking three while Ramirez is out.[/p][/quote]Hardly! Have you SEEN Jason Puncheon try and make a tackle? Nor have I. :( Anyway, let's not dwell on the negatives. Girls Aloud are making their comeback next Saturday. O yes.[/p][/quote]Are they some kind of modern day Andrews Sisters?[/p][/quote]Heh - pretty much. St Retford
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2:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

WobblyCat says...

Sorry Guly lovers but it was indeed Guly that gave him the injury.
Sorry Guly lovers but it was indeed Guly that gave him the injury. WobblyCat
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2:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Block 34 says...

Join the protest!! email these guys!!

Email to: matchdayhospitality@
saintsfc.co.uk

Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated.

It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three.

This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans.
This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back.

It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal. Block 34
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2:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Licky_Rambert says...

Block 34 wrote:
Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
problem is, we're not like normal customers. if you got rubbish service at a big supermarket or a bad hair cut, you'd simply never return and go somewhere else. however, there is no way real fans (customers) would even think about going somewhere else. we support saints, this will never change and are therefore we are in their pockets.
happens all over the country, at most levels.
have you thought about sending your email to Guly as well? when he's not busy dishing out our best players with dead legs, he spends time on customer services. then everything IS his fault......
[quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]problem is, we're not like normal customers. if you got rubbish service at a big supermarket or a bad hair cut, you'd simply never return and go somewhere else. however, there is no way real fans (customers) would even think about going somewhere else. we support saints, this will never change and are therefore we are in their pockets. happens all over the country, at most levels. have you thought about sending your email to Guly as well? when he's not busy dishing out our best players with dead legs, he spends time on customer services. then everything IS his fault...... Licky_Rambert
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2:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintand266 says...

Any thoughts on NA taking a leaf out of Arsene Wengers book and getting a a defensive coach ? It has done them the world of good after only a few games . I know their players are more experienced in the premier league but that just goes to show you can never stop improving . I would much rather go down this road of using an ex player from our team than using Hoddle or changing manager , as I think NA is a man who will be great manger given a chance .
Any thoughts on NA taking a leaf out of Arsene Wengers book and getting a a defensive coach ? It has done them the world of good after only a few games . I know their players are more experienced in the premier league but that just goes to show you can never stop improving . I would much rather go down this road of using an ex player from our team than using Hoddle or changing manager , as I think NA is a man who will be great manger given a chance . saintand266
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2:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

IOAD says...

Oh lummy! Not another Perry Groves, is he?
Oh lummy! Not another Perry Groves, is he? IOAD
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3:39pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Velleity says...

WobblyCat wrote:
Sorry Guly lovers but it was indeed Guly that gave him the injury.
Oh God, I was joking! I feel like Yossarian when he invented the Lepage gun.
[quote][p][bold]WobblyCat[/bold] wrote: Sorry Guly lovers but it was indeed Guly that gave him the injury.[/p][/quote]Oh God, I was joking! I feel like Yossarian when he invented the Lepage gun. Velleity
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3:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Chicago Saint says...

Dickosfc wrote:
In other news, Jos Hooiveld has tweeted that he his happy with his progress in getting the golden boot........
Absolutely the BEST POST OF THE DAY!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Dickosfc[/bold] wrote: In other news, Jos Hooiveld has tweeted that he his happy with his progress in getting the golden boot........[/p][/quote]Absolutely the BEST POST OF THE DAY!!!! Chicago Saint
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3:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mack chinnon says...

Good opportunity for Ben Reeves to get a run in the team.
Come on you Nigel.
Good opportunity for Ben Reeves to get a run in the team. Come on you Nigel. mack chinnon
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4:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Block 34 wrote:
Join the protest!! email these guys!!

Email to: matchdayhospitality@

saintsfc.co.uk

Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated.

It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three.

This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans.
This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back.

It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
[quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested. St Retford
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4:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Over the Edge says...

The club-record signing missed Sunday’s 2-2 draw with Fulham after being hurt in training last Thursday

I blame Guly for the injury
The club-record signing missed Sunday’s 2-2 draw with Fulham after being hurt in training last Thursday I blame Guly for the injury Over the Edge
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4:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

NC Fan4Life says...

Strange Week Last Week !
1. Nicola sacks all the programme sellers, not sure why but only place I could see to buy one was at the catering bar but couldn't be bothered to queue so like others didn't buy one, revenue lost but he must have a plan.
2. Nicola shuts the site at stapleford for an 'design' problem with the Architect.
3. Nicola notifies Companies House that he has set up a loan facility in the Carabean, why?
4. We were told we had a fully fit squad (apart from Cork) to choose from then come matchday find several injuries.
5. NA makes same mistake of making substitutions when not necessary when we have a narrow lead, taking off two of our most positive players and disrupting the pattern of the team, yet again, the addage 'if it ain't broke.....' I don't accept they were tired.
6. Now only 4 out of 21 points yet not bottom of the league !?!
Big call by previous posts that a top defensive coach is required urgently ! If we stop shipping goals we will pick up points even if we have to play ugly for a while to earn the right.
Also, minor issue, I agree with Block 34 please improve the catering service asap.
Come on you Red & White Pin-Stripes !!
Strange Week Last Week ! 1. Nicola sacks all the programme sellers, not sure why but only place I could see to buy one was at the catering bar but couldn't be bothered to queue so like others didn't buy one, revenue lost but he must have a plan. 2. Nicola shuts the site at stapleford for an 'design' problem with the Architect. 3. Nicola notifies Companies House that he has set up a loan facility in the Carabean, why? 4. We were told we had a fully fit squad (apart from Cork) to choose from then come matchday find several injuries. 5. NA makes same mistake of making substitutions when not necessary when we have a narrow lead, taking off two of our most positive players and disrupting the pattern of the team, yet again, the addage 'if it ain't broke.....' I don't accept they were tired. 6. Now only 4 out of 21 points yet not bottom of the league !?! Big call by previous posts that a top defensive coach is required urgently ! If we stop shipping goals we will pick up points even if we have to play ugly for a while to earn the right. Also, minor issue, I agree with Block 34 please improve the catering service asap. Come on you Red & White Pin-Stripes !! NC Fan4Life
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4:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

Reading through that last bit I don't think strange is the word. Sounds more like the storyline of Dream Team than anything else and the Fishy Few are still going aswell
Reading through that last bit I don't think strange is the word. Sounds more like the storyline of Dream Team than anything else and the Fishy Few are still going aswell SO50 Saint
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4:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Confucious says...

I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints.
I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints. Confucious
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5:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

pompey in spain says...

we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped? pompey in spain
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5:13pm Tue 9 Oct 12

up saints says...

Velleity wrote:
I bet Guly did it.
if this is true looks like guly is in the team untill christmas.
[quote][p][bold]Velleity[/bold] wrote: I bet Guly did it.[/p][/quote]if this is true looks like guly is in the team untill christmas. up saints
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5:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

City Saint says...

Block 34 wrote:
Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
vive la revolution! Declare Guerre Nucleire!

I do agree with you. It's interesting how many people are starting to demand better (faster) service at half time. One day soon a fight will break out with the bar staff (some of whom are genuinely good, by the way, but many of whom are clearly taken off their desks for a few hours and asked to serve).

I have to admit I left my seat at 41 mins on Sunday (horror!) for the first time ever to get the drinks in. But there really is no other choice if you want to actually HAVE a drink at halftime, and/or make it back for kickoff.

Still haven't left before full time though (at least, not in Adkins' time)
[quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]vive la revolution! Declare Guerre Nucleire! I do agree with you. It's interesting how many people are starting to demand better (faster) service at half time. One day soon a fight will break out with the bar staff (some of whom are genuinely good, by the way, but many of whom are clearly taken off their desks for a few hours and asked to serve). I have to admit I left my seat at 41 mins on Sunday (horror!) for the first time ever to get the drinks in. But there really is no other choice if you want to actually HAVE a drink at halftime, and/or make it back for kickoff. Still haven't left before full time though (at least, not in Adkins' time) City Saint
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5:21pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Velleity says...

Some wag behind me on Sunday, after about fifteen minutes, bellowed "It's Guly's fault we're not winning 3-0!"

Raised a laugh.
Some wag behind me on Sunday, after about fifteen minutes, bellowed "It's Guly's fault we're not winning 3-0!" Raised a laugh. Velleity
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5:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

City Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh? City Saint
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5:24pm Tue 9 Oct 12

GHamilton says...

Should be a clause in every players salary that says, this is what you earn if your fit and available....and this is what you get if your injured; around 20% of salary would be about right. You'd cut injury time in half if they weren't getting their monster salaries for lounging at home.
Should be a clause in every players salary that says, this is what you earn if your fit and available....and this is what you get if your injured; around 20% of salary would be about right. You'd cut injury time in half if they weren't getting their monster salaries for lounging at home. GHamilton
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5:25pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Tony in Liberia says...

Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!!
Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!! Tony in Liberia
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5:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

City Saint says...

Confucious wrote:
I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints.
Tut tut, Conficious, thats's not like you. All paying customers are welcome. We need that cash to help fund our newly acquired loan facility of undisclosed size.

Not that I am worried that we are running a modern financing operation; but the five year plan (and the stadium expansion hinted at in the season ticket DVD) are all built upon the premise of growing the crowds from 19,000 to 29,000 and perhaps one fine day 39,000+.

Embrace the newbies. They are part of the future.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints.[/p][/quote]Tut tut, Conficious, thats's not like you. All paying customers are welcome. We need that cash to help fund our newly acquired loan facility of undisclosed size. Not that I am worried that we are running a modern financing operation; but the five year plan (and the stadium expansion hinted at in the season ticket DVD) are all built upon the premise of growing the crowds from 19,000 to 29,000 and perhaps one fine day 39,000+. Embrace the newbies. They are part of the future. City Saint
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5:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Tony in Liberia wrote:
Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!!
Like.

You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too.
[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!![/p][/quote]Like. You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too. Strasbourg Saint
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6:07pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it. OSPREYSAINT
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6:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintand266 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!!
Like.

You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too.
Well said
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!![/p][/quote]Like. You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too.[/p][/quote]Well said saintand266
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6:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Confucious wrote:
I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints.
get used to it, core support at saints is nowhere near enough to keep us in the prem so the lighter supporters are needed in numbers and they will want value for money and a certain level of service or they will not attend. Its really as simple as that. With the amount of televised games, Saints fans are spread widers and include those who subscribe to SKY since they are 2nd party contributers to the revenue stream.... The whiners perhaps think many die-hards are idiots for putting up with any service level and at any price....
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: I wonder if it's the 13,000 "supporters" who have reappeared since 2010 that have so massively increased the whining and moaning about things at Saints.[/p][/quote]get used to it, core support at saints is nowhere near enough to keep us in the prem so the lighter supporters are needed in numbers and they will want value for money and a certain level of service or they will not attend. Its really as simple as that. With the amount of televised games, Saints fans are spread widers and include those who subscribe to SKY since they are 2nd party contributers to the revenue stream.... The whiners perhaps think many die-hards are idiots for putting up with any service level and at any price.... MGRA
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6:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

mack chinnon says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed. mack chinnon
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6:59pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

mack chinnon wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
seconded .
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed.[/p][/quote]seconded . slugger
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7:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

slugger wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
seconded .
Tonight Matthew...I will be a Wycombe supporter. Come on Wycombe :O)
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed.[/p][/quote]seconded .[/p][/quote]Tonight Matthew...I will be a Wycombe supporter. Come on Wycombe :O) Baddesley Bill
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7:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12

pompey in spain says...

thanks osprey!!! and as for you badd bill the only good thing about you is where you were born ha ha!
thanks osprey!!! and as for you badd bill the only good thing about you is where you were born ha ha! pompey in spain
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7:37pm Tue 9 Oct 12

PTID1898 says...

MMMMWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHH
AAAAAAAwhat a waste of money he was then,£12 million quid and out for 6 weeks really good scouts you got down there at the lego house,has cortese loaned anymore money yet to pay your increasing wage bill? PUP
MMMMWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHH AAAAAAAwhat a waste of money he was then,£12 million quid and out for 6 weeks really good scouts you got down there at the lego house,has cortese loaned anymore money yet to pay your increasing wage bill? PUP PTID1898
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7:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
slugger wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
seconded .
Tonight Matthew...I will be a Wycombe supporter. Come on Wycombe :O)
Thirded ....... or is it fourthed?

Anyway, El Poopey, enjoy playing Wycombe, next season it might be Wickham :)
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed.[/p][/quote]seconded .[/p][/quote]Tonight Matthew...I will be a Wycombe supporter. Come on Wycombe :O)[/p][/quote]Thirded ....... or is it fourthed? Anyway, El Poopey, enjoy playing Wycombe, next season it might be Wickham :) Strasbourg Saint
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7:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintgaz1972 says...

Something going on in training, injuries to gaston and Clyde , then straight away Richardson , and thought other was going to follow from limping, also most players looked unfit, quite worrying , whether they are working to hard or the other way round
Something going on in training, injuries to gaston and Clyde , then straight away Richardson , and thought other was going to follow from limping, also most players looked unfit, quite worrying , whether they are working to hard or the other way round Saintgaz1972
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7:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12

redsnapper says...

saintand266 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Tony in Liberia wrote:
Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!!
Like.

You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too.
Well said
Excellent comment Stras.

We are Southampton! and we will do it our way with THIS manager, THIS squad, our great supporters and even all those skates who secretly admire us!!!, and we will soon be mid table. (why are they always checking this blog if they dont love us!! )

As for Gaston, wish you and Cork a speedy recovery !!
[quote][p][bold]saintand266[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote: Just seen Owen Coyle has been sacked; Premiership experience there ... can I be the first to say that anyone who suggests him as someone who can come in and give Nigel the benefit of his knowledge is a COMPLETE KNOB!!!!!![/p][/quote]Like. You maybe the first to say it, but I'm sure many of us thought it, too.[/p][/quote]Well said[/p][/quote]Excellent comment Stras. We are Southampton! and we will do it our way with THIS manager, THIS squad, our great supporters and even all those skates who secretly admire us!!!, and we will soon be mid table. (why are they always checking this blog if they dont love us!! ) As for Gaston, wish you and Cork a speedy recovery !! redsnapper
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7:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintand266 says...

PTID why are you not at the cow shed tonight ? By the way you are losing already ha ha ha
PTID why are you not at the cow shed tonight ? By the way you are losing already ha ha ha saintand266
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8:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

pompey in spain wrote:
thanks osprey!!! and as for you badd bill the only good thing about you is where you were born ha ha!
I'll never forgive Seedhouse for spilling them beans. Every time I venture abroad...the guy at passport control has a little snigger when he sees my place of birth. For the record...my parents had only just moved to Hampshire..and spent 9 months living in Fareham...at the age of 3 months I negotiated a move to the bright side. How long did it take you to get the hell out? ;O)
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: thanks osprey!!! and as for you badd bill the only good thing about you is where you were born ha ha![/p][/quote]I'll never forgive Seedhouse for spilling them beans. Every time I venture abroad...the guy at passport control has a little snigger when he sees my place of birth. For the record...my parents had only just moved to Hampshire..and spent 9 months living in Fareham...at the age of 3 months I negotiated a move to the bright side. How long did it take you to get the hell out? ;O) Baddesley Bill
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8:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

2-0 Wycombe excellent :O)
2-0 Wycombe excellent :O) Baddesley Bill
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8:03pm Tue 9 Oct 12

pompey in spain says...

badd bill ...cant type at moment in shock ..after 13 seconds!!!!!
badd bill ...cant type at moment in shock ..after 13 seconds!!!!! pompey in spain
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8:13pm Tue 9 Oct 12

warrens 76 says...

Confucious wrote:
If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion.

Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend.

I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice.

I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance.
I do not think it would be appropriate for a memorial service after three games, Gaston superstar in the making has not yet reached Leg-endary status....an armful of trophies with a hand in winning them would head off any complaints, I would not have the stomach to de-knee him then.

When he scores in double digits, elbows the opposition aside, is head and shoulders (or any other shampoo) above the competition, puts his neck on the line and jumps in with both feet then the thigh's the limit.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: If there is a funeral for Gaston's dead leg I think it will be a private family-only occasion. Nonetheless, I think it would be appropriate if the club organised a memorial service at a later date which fans could attend. I would certainly be prepared to research the matter and deliver a fitting tribute to the late leg. A video showing clips of the best goals scored and best passes made by the leg would also be nice. I am not normally prone to being emotional about these things, but I do think Nicola ought to consider having a large (eg six times lifesize) bronze statue of the leg made and positioned near the stadium entrance.[/p][/quote]I do not think it would be appropriate for a memorial service after three games, Gaston superstar in the making has not yet reached Leg-endary status....an armful of trophies with a hand in winning them would head off any complaints, I would not have the stomach to de-knee him then. When he scores in double digits, elbows the opposition aside, is head and shoulders (or any other shampoo) above the competition, puts his neck on the line and jumps in with both feet then the thigh's the limit. warrens 76
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8:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

warrens 76 says...

magnette wrote:
Only one dead leg? Can't he play in defence, then?
Too Good.
[quote][p][bold]magnette[/bold] wrote: Only one dead leg? Can't he play in defence, then?[/p][/quote]Too Good. warrens 76
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8:14pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Red n White says...

City Saint wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
vive la revolution! Declare Guerre Nucleire! I do agree with you. It's interesting how many people are starting to demand better (faster) service at half time. One day soon a fight will break out with the bar staff (some of whom are genuinely good, by the way, but many of whom are clearly taken off their desks for a few hours and asked to serve). I have to admit I left my seat at 41 mins on Sunday (horror!) for the first time ever to get the drinks in. But there really is no other choice if you want to actually HAVE a drink at halftime, and/or make it back for kickoff. Still haven't left before full time though (at least, not in Adkins' time)
The problem with getting better staff and service is that a better wage will have to be paid to get these better people, which may mean an increase in already quite high prices.
The problem is getting people willing to work in these places as most sane people would rather be in the crowd
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]vive la revolution! Declare Guerre Nucleire! I do agree with you. It's interesting how many people are starting to demand better (faster) service at half time. One day soon a fight will break out with the bar staff (some of whom are genuinely good, by the way, but many of whom are clearly taken off their desks for a few hours and asked to serve). I have to admit I left my seat at 41 mins on Sunday (horror!) for the first time ever to get the drinks in. But there really is no other choice if you want to actually HAVE a drink at halftime, and/or make it back for kickoff. Still haven't left before full time though (at least, not in Adkins' time)[/p][/quote]The problem with getting better staff and service is that a better wage will have to be paid to get these better people, which may mean an increase in already quite high prices. The problem is getting people willing to work in these places as most sane people would rather be in the crowd Red n White
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8:15pm Tue 9 Oct 12

warrens 76 says...

Block 34 wrote:
Join the protest!! email these guys!!

Email to: matchdayhospitality@

saintsfc.co.uk

Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated.

It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three.

This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans.
This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back.

It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
Someone with some clout at the club..READ this and act on it.
[quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]Someone with some clout at the club..READ this and act on it. warrens 76
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8:18pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Crossley Place Saint says...

What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN?? Crossley Place Saint
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8:20pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast. OSPREYSAINT
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8:22pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
Oh and an Upper Crust while they are about it, I love baguette or two.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.[/p][/quote]Oh and an Upper Crust while they are about it, I love baguette or two. OSPREYSAINT
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8:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Block 34 wrote:
Join the protest!! email these guys!!

Email to: matchdayhospitality@


saintsfc.co.uk

Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated.

It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three.

This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans.
This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back.

It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
Someone with some clout at the club..READ this and act on it.
Good thinking but it could be worded better, perhaps a petition somewhere could help. Hurry up I 'm starving here.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]Someone with some clout at the club..READ this and act on it.[/p][/quote]Good thinking but it could be worded better, perhaps a petition somewhere could help. Hurry up I 'm starving here. OSPREYSAINT
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8:25pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ? slugger
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8:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

GreedySaint says...

St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston!
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston! GreedySaint
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8:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training.... MGRA
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8:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

GreedySaint says...

St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston!
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston! GreedySaint
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8:39pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ? slugger
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8:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
That's interesting thinking, Osprey.

Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.[/p][/quote]That's interesting thinking, Osprey. Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle. Strasbourg Saint
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8:48pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
That's interesting thinking, Osprey.

Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.
why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go .
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.[/p][/quote]That's interesting thinking, Osprey. Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.[/p][/quote]why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go . slugger
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8:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

WobblyCat says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
Despite advances in sports science, footballers are still mainly made from humans! Bones made of bone, muscles made of muscles, brains made from brains (not sure about yours though)! How can you train for a contact sport without recreating it fully in training? You can ease up a bit but you can pull muscles tying up your boots. Injuries happen, I doubt Guly tackled him two footed doing fifty!
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]Despite advances in sports science, footballers are still mainly made from humans! Bones made of bone, muscles made of muscles, brains made from brains (not sure about yours though)! How can you train for a contact sport without recreating it fully in training? You can ease up a bit but you can pull muscles tying up your boots. Injuries happen, I doubt Guly tackled him two footed doing fifty! WobblyCat
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8:53pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

GreedySaint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon.

Up your game, Gustav.
Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston!
A dead leg aint what it was as I remember it...apparently this one has left Gaston full of blood coloured bruises and a thigh twice the size that it should be.
[quote][p][bold]GreedySaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Six weeks for a dead leg? What a lightweight! When we were at school we used to spend our lunch times giving each other dead legs and it never so much got us out of double maths in the afternoon. Up your game, Gustav.[/p][/quote]Well said I can't even quantify how many knee nudges I got at school then played in the afternoon. Man up Gaston![/p][/quote]A dead leg aint what it was as I remember it...apparently this one has left Gaston full of blood coloured bruises and a thigh twice the size that it should be. Baddesley Bill
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9:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour!
The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league!
In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour! The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league! In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out? Saintsteve7
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9:06pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

slugger wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
That's interesting thinking, Osprey.

Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.
why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go .
Or join corporate.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.[/p][/quote]That's interesting thinking, Osprey. Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.[/p][/quote]why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go .[/p][/quote]Or join corporate. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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9:29pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.
That's interesting thinking, Osprey.

Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.
why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go .
Or join corporate.
lol .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: What we really need is McDonalds one end, a KFC at the other, and perhaps a Harry Ramsden in the middle with a chinky and a Kutis somewhere close, then it would be bother the footy lets have beanfeast.[/p][/quote]That's interesting thinking, Osprey. Personally, I wouldn't settle for less than Joe Hart at one end, Messi at the other and perhaps Pirlo in the middle.[/p][/quote]why don't people just eat before they go ? .......... football ground food is always gonna be a long wait for a poor over priced meal wherever you go .[/p][/quote]Or join corporate.[/p][/quote]lol . slugger
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9:33pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour!
The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league!
In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out?
it's blatantly obvious to me that none of the wums on here are related to einstein.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour! The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league! In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out?[/p][/quote]it's blatantly obvious to me that none of the wums on here are related to einstein. slugger
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9:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali
an/german open doors training session.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session. MGRA
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9:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side.

:(
Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side. :( St Retford
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9:43pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

slugger wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour!
The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league!
In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out?
it's blatantly obvious to me that none of the wums on here are related to einstein.
Agreed!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]I thought I'd just about read it all on here! Our players should no longer be allowed to go near each other in training in case we get injuries? Do me a favour! The reason the Spainiards and Italians don't train the same way as us is because they play in a different bloody league! In this country you train to prepare for the premier league which is very physically demanding and extremely fast. Surely it doesn't take Einstein to work that out?[/p][/quote]it's blatantly obvious to me that none of the wums on here are related to einstein.[/p][/quote]Agreed! Saintsteve7
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9:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali

an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree . slugger
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9:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali


an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will . slugger
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9:52pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

St Retford wrote:
Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side.

:(
Don't be silly, Retford. For that to happen, you'd have to be really pants.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side. :([/p][/quote]Don't be silly, Retford. For that to happen, you'd have to be really pants. Strasbourg Saint
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9:53pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali


an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !? MGRA
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9:57pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali



an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .
not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .[/p][/quote]not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen.... MGRA
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9:58pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali



an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook . slugger
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10:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali




an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it . slugger
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10:00pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side.

:(
Don't be silly, Retford. For that to happen, you'd have to be really pants.
"Duh, duh, der, duh - f***in' useless"
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Do you know what would really be bad? Getting thrashed in the JPT by a League 2 side. :([/p][/quote]Don't be silly, Retford. For that to happen, you'd have to be really pants.[/p][/quote]"Duh, duh, der, duh - f***in' useless" St Retford
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10:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali





an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
imo
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]imo slugger
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10:02pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali

an/german open doors training session.
Your deluded! Even an accidental collision can cause the most horrific injuries without a tackle in sight. Do you suggest we just cancel training all together? Is that what they do in spain/germany/Italy etc?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]Your deluded! Even an accidental collision can cause the most horrific injuries without a tackle in sight. Do you suggest we just cancel training all together? Is that what they do in spain/germany/Italy etc? Saintsteve7
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10:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali




an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .
not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....
Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .[/p][/quote]not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....[/p][/quote]Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate. Baddesley Bill
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10:04pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali





an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else.... MGRA
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10:11pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali






an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ? slugger
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10:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Baddesley Bill wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali





an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .
not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....
Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate.
grass roots training is totally dire ( and I should know ). Its out of date and technically light. I am saying that professionals should not be taking full contact training sessions. The difference between "full" contact and just short is not hard to coach. the FA our proud of their new "centre" but it will not change a single thing. He is why. How many kids at 14 have been able to play for their local team in every position, been allowed to express themselves without parents shouting in their ears..... it does not happen. Grass roots is rubbish. Continental kids have more fun, play better football and are technically superior and always will be unless we wake up. The trouble is the Premier league may be the best league in the world, but it won't help the national game.
[quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .[/p][/quote]not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....[/p][/quote]Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate.[/p][/quote]grass roots training is totally dire ( and I should know ). Its out of date and technically light. I am saying that professionals should not be taking full contact training sessions. The difference between "full" contact and just short is not hard to coach. the FA our proud of their new "centre" but it will not change a single thing. He is why. How many kids at 14 have been able to play for their local team in every position, been allowed to express themselves without parents shouting in their ears..... it does not happen. Grass roots is rubbish. Continental kids have more fun, play better football and are technically superior and always will be unless we wake up. The trouble is the Premier league may be the best league in the world, but it won't help the national game. MGRA
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10:17pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali



an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen. Saintsteve7
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10:17pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali







an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?[/p][/quote]yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !? MGRA
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10:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali




an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....? MGRA
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10:25pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsayer II says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali






an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
But NA has the highest level coaching qualification available in Europe
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]But NA has the highest level coaching qualification available in Europe Saintsayer II
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10:26pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

MGRA wrote:
Baddesley Bill wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali






an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .
not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....
Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate.
grass roots training is totally dire ( and I should know ). Its out of date and technically light. I am saying that professionals should not be taking full contact training sessions. The difference between "full" contact and just short is not hard to coach. the FA our proud of their new "centre" but it will not change a single thing. He is why. How many kids at 14 have been able to play for their local team in every position, been allowed to express themselves without parents shouting in their ears..... it does not happen. Grass roots is rubbish. Continental kids have more fun, play better football and are technically superior and always will be unless we wake up. The trouble is the Premier league may be the best league in the world, but it won't help the national game.
Get yerself down to the new FA St Georges facility then...bleating on here will not make a difference. Let me know how you get on.
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Baddesley Bill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]using your logic ........... seasoned pro's should also know how to take penalties , free kicks , throw ins , how to defend , how to attack ........ the list is endless ..... , no need to practice because they're all pro's and if they don't know it now they never will .[/p][/quote]not at all. they should not "practice" high risk stuff they don't neet do. You are not going to spend a day in hospital and miss 6 games through missing a pen....[/p][/quote]Sorry MGRA...you are suggesting training for football should change at grass roots...that is rubbish mate.[/p][/quote]grass roots training is totally dire ( and I should know ). Its out of date and technically light. I am saying that professionals should not be taking full contact training sessions. The difference between "full" contact and just short is not hard to coach. the FA our proud of their new "centre" but it will not change a single thing. He is why. How many kids at 14 have been able to play for their local team in every position, been allowed to express themselves without parents shouting in their ears..... it does not happen. Grass roots is rubbish. Continental kids have more fun, play better football and are technically superior and always will be unless we wake up. The trouble is the Premier league may be the best league in the world, but it won't help the national game.[/p][/quote]Get yerself down to the new FA St Georges facility then...bleating on here will not make a difference. Let me know how you get on. Baddesley Bill
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10:28pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional.
Saying all that jealousy could be a factor?
Come on you Saints!
Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional. Saying all that jealousy could be a factor? Come on you Saints! St.Yorkie
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10:31pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali








an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?
you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?[/p][/quote]yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?[/p][/quote]you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ? slugger
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10:32pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsayer II says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional.
Saying all that jealousy could be a factor?
Come on you Saints!
But if it was intentional his fellow pros including the coaches would recognise that and he would out on his ear-ole
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional. Saying all that jealousy could be a factor? Come on you Saints![/p][/quote]But if it was intentional his fellow pros including the coaches would recognise that and he would out on his ear-ole Saintsayer II
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10:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

brighton saint says...

Get Billy Sharp back asap now ...we need him he can play left back, centre back and evenplay upfront...and score...Sharp is the man...a decent footie player that has Saints in his blood
Get Billy Sharp back asap now ...we need him he can play left back, centre back and evenplay upfront...and score...Sharp is the man...a decent footie player that has Saints in his blood brighton saint
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10:35pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintkenny says...

PTID1898 wrote:
MMMMWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHH

AAAAAAAwhat a waste of money he was then,£12 million quid and out for 6 weeks really good scouts you got down there at the lego house,has cortese loaned anymore money yet to pay your increasing wage bill? PUP
iv always liked wycombe 3 1 .against the mighty wycombe ha ha ha ha ha stid
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: MMMMWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHH AAAAAAAwhat a waste of money he was then,£12 million quid and out for 6 weeks really good scouts you got down there at the lego house,has cortese loaned anymore money yet to pay your increasing wage bill? PUP[/p][/quote]iv always liked wycombe 3 1 .against the mighty wycombe ha ha ha ha ha stid saintkenny
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10:36pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

I can solve this. I know a bloke who works at the training ground and he told me Nigel organised a training session at which he ordered the entire squad to see if they could break Gaston's legs. My source says Nigel's specific words were: "Go on, snap the £15m f***er. DO IT! DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ON SATURDAY!"

The great irony, obviously, is we weren't even playing on Saturday. Weird, huh?
I can solve this. I know a bloke who works at the training ground and he told me Nigel organised a training session at which he ordered the entire squad to see if they could break Gaston's legs. My source says Nigel's specific words were: "Go on, snap the £15m f***er. DO IT! DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ON SATURDAY!" The great irony, obviously, is we weren't even playing on Saturday. Weird, huh? St Retford
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10:37pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali









an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?
you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?
illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?[/p][/quote]yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?[/p][/quote]you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?[/p][/quote]illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital.... MGRA
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10:38pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

brighton saint wrote:
Get Billy Sharp back asap now ...we need him he can play left back, centre back and evenplay upfront...and score...Sharp is the man...a decent footie player that has Saints in his blood
*Stares*
[quote][p][bold]brighton saint[/bold] wrote: Get Billy Sharp back asap now ...we need him he can play left back, centre back and evenplay upfront...and score...Sharp is the man...a decent footie player that has Saints in his blood[/p][/quote]*Stares* St Retford
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10:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Saintsayer II wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali







an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
But NA has the highest level coaching qualification available in Europe
did he obtain that in Europe then ? sorry I though he had FA accredited badges... maybe I missed that one...
[quote][p][bold]Saintsayer II[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]But NA has the highest level coaching qualification available in Europe[/p][/quote]did he obtain that in Europe then ? sorry I though he had FA accredited badges... maybe I missed that one... MGRA
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10:41pm Tue 9 Oct 12

slugger says...

MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali










an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?
you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?
illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital....
last time i requote this ........ i meant how in training (as you well know) ...... you're talking out of your hole ! (imo)
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?[/p][/quote]yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?[/p][/quote]you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?[/p][/quote]illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital....[/p][/quote]last time i requote this ........ i meant how in training (as you well know) ...... you're talking out of your hole ! (imo) slugger
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10:41pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member!
When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad!
I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup?
It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member! When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad! I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup? St.Yorkie
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10:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

RedArmy1 says...

The fact is :

WE'RE ALL GOING UP TO WET SPAM
FOR THE WIN.

We will dominate on the Terraces and come back to Southampton with 3 Points.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER.

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. WIN.
COYR.
The fact is : WE'RE ALL GOING UP TO WET SPAM FOR THE WIN. We will dominate on the Terraces and come back to Southampton with 3 Points. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. NO FEAR. NO SURRENDER. RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. WIN. COYR. RedArmy1
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10:45pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

I've seen three of Nigels training sessions. He took the time to explain what he was doing. Individuals coming back did light 1.2.1 training. Those that had played in the match a couple of days earlier did 'recovery training'. Those that hadn't played did a full session. He knows exactly what he's doing and has the benefit of being a qualified physio ffs!

I remember Killer taking what was effectively a career ending injury warming up at the skunts dump. Sadly this stuff happens.
I've seen three of Nigels training sessions. He took the time to explain what he was doing. Individuals coming back did light 1.2.1 training. Those that had played in the match a couple of days earlier did 'recovery training'. Those that hadn't played did a full session. He knows exactly what he's doing and has the benefit of being a qualified physio ffs! I remember Killer taking what was effectively a career ending injury warming up at the skunts dump. Sadly this stuff happens. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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10:49pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali











an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .
or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .
look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....
for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?
yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?
you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?
illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital....
last time i requote this ........ i meant how in training (as you well know) ...... you're talking out of your hole ! (imo)
training for defenders is most about comms and co-ords.... basic stuff includes : if a left footed midfielder is running left-to-right then the right back should look for the pass etc etc etc and about a 1000 other examples.... then on match days everyone sees how this all fits together and the "well oiled machine looks ,,, well,,,, well oiled. regards to physical defending. its not the contact that they need to train for , its the timing.. contact is not a requirement and necessity for all aspects of preparation for professional football.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]don't agree , every aspect of the game must come into training , stop talking gobeldegook .[/p][/quote]or b0ll0cks as i prefer to call it .[/p][/quote]look at this this way... the final tackle is about 1/100th of the game... then look at the risk of that... then look at how much you can achieve in training but with paired back tackling. In Karate its called "pulling the punch".... the Europeans practice this all the time and the European managers will not have full contact sessions. Just look at the stats.....The top 6 have players pull up in training with minor stuff sure, the usual, but you will hardly ever see a trauma injury in a top 6 training session. Its about being savvy... I am not blaming NA , he is only as good as his training like anyone else....[/p][/quote]for goodness sake , it was an accident in training , it happens . how many times have top players injured themselves whilst warming up before a big game ? ......... loads ! ............. should they not warm up just in case ?[/p][/quote]yeh like I say injury in warm-up is very common ( in England ) , with no static stretches its going to be the most common incident. But a trauma injury in a training session avoidable, or much more avoidable. I am just seeing this "unlucky" start to the season differently, I am just not seeing any bad luck anywhere !?[/p][/quote]you didn't say warm up injury , i said it ......... your beef is with training . so how do you suggest the team that i support improve on defencive tactics ?[/p][/quote]illiustrated perfectly on sunday. Defend from the midfield.... but don't then substitute players that are doing that... The team that I also support are not bad defenders technically. they loose concentration but we are a team that needs the midifeld to do more than most in the Prem. hence why we should stick to 442 or 4411 and hence why JPs performance in the Fulham game was a text book example of why midfielders who can cover are worth their weight in gold. Yes he is not the best tackler but what he did was vital....[/p][/quote]last time i requote this ........ i meant how in training (as you well know) ...... you're talking out of your hole ! (imo)[/p][/quote]training for defenders is most about comms and co-ords.... basic stuff includes : if a left footed midfielder is running left-to-right then the right back should look for the pass etc etc etc and about a 1000 other examples.... then on match days everyone sees how this all fits together and the "well oiled machine looks ,,, well,,,, well oiled. regards to physical defending. its not the contact that they need to train for , its the timing.. contact is not a requirement and necessity for all aspects of preparation for professional football. MGRA
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10:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali





an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?
Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly.

I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?[/p][/quote]Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly. I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me! Saintsteve7
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10:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

St Retford wrote:
I can solve this. I know a bloke who works at the training ground and he told me Nigel organised a training session at which he ordered the entire squad to see if they could break Gaston's legs. My source says Nigel's specific words were: "Go on, snap the £15m f***er. DO IT! DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ON SATURDAY!"

The great irony, obviously, is we weren't even playing on Saturday. Weird, huh?
It all now depends on whether Injury Lawyers For You can come up trumps with a £12m payout.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: I can solve this. I know a bloke who works at the training ground and he told me Nigel organised a training session at which he ordered the entire squad to see if they could break Gaston's legs. My source says Nigel's specific words were: "Go on, snap the £15m f***er. DO IT! DO IT OR YOU'RE NOT PLAYING ON SATURDAY!" The great irony, obviously, is we weren't even playing on Saturday. Weird, huh?[/p][/quote]It all now depends on whether Injury Lawyers For You can come up trumps with a £12m payout. OSPREYSAINT
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10:51pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Mick the Saint says...

mack chinnon wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
They did
[quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed.[/p][/quote]They did Mick the Saint
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11:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali






an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?
Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly.

I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me!
and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?[/p][/quote]Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly. I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me![/p][/quote]and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-) MGRA
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11:01pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
I've seen three of Nigels training sessions. He took the time to explain what he was doing. Individuals coming back did light 1.2.1 training. Those that had played in the match a couple of days earlier did 'recovery training'. Those that hadn't played did a full session. He knows exactly what he's doing and has the benefit of being a qualified physio ffs!

I remember Killer taking what was effectively a career ending injury warming up at the skunts dump. Sadly this stuff happens.
It doesn't just happen. I need a single, easily identifiable person to BLAME when stuff goes wrong.

Yours,

An Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: I've seen three of Nigels training sessions. He took the time to explain what he was doing. Individuals coming back did light 1.2.1 training. Those that had played in the match a couple of days earlier did 'recovery training'. Those that hadn't played did a full session. He knows exactly what he's doing and has the benefit of being a qualified physio ffs! I remember Killer taking what was effectively a career ending injury warming up at the skunts dump. Sadly this stuff happens.[/p][/quote]It doesn't just happen. I need a single, easily identifiable person to BLAME when stuff goes wrong. Yours, An Idiot. St Retford
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11:09pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member!
When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad!
I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup?
Please please pretty please!
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member! When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad! I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup?[/p][/quote]Please please pretty please! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:11pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Taking the best of this thread.. there is a general trust in karma and non intervention and just letting the gaffer get on with it.... at the end of the day, a much much better state of affairs than most clubs.
Taking the best of this thread.. there is a general trust in karma and non intervention and just letting the gaffer get on with it.... at the end of the day, a much much better state of affairs than most clubs. MGRA
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11:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

saintmicky says...

pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
your quick whit takes me to XTC
[quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]your quick whit takes me to XTC saintmicky
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11:12pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St Retford says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member!
When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad!
I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup?
How much is the Leeds game?
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: It leaves me shuddering that anyone in our squad would physically try to knobble a squad member! When all is said and done I believe we won't have that mentality in the squad! I'm coming down for Spuds game anyone want loyalty points for Leeds away in Cup?[/p][/quote]How much is the Leeds game? St Retford
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11:23pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

Seed - if you want the loyalty points just get me a ticket and I'll be eternally grateful!
Honestly if you want them that desperately call me on 09800.......!
Seed - if you want the loyalty points just get me a ticket and I'll be eternally grateful! Honestly if you want them that desperately call me on 09800.......! St.Yorkie
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11:25pm Tue 9 Oct 12

City Saint says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali




an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
You do have to wonder about this one though. Guly takes out the guy who would keep him out of the side for his preferred position?

Maybe he just had a few too many martinis, to be fair.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]You do have to wonder about this one though. Guly takes out the guy who would keep him out of the side for his preferred position? Maybe he just had a few too many martinis, to be fair. City Saint
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11:30pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Saintsteve7 says...

MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali







an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?
Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly.

I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me!
and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-)
The FA can 'advise' me all they like! If I feel my players need to static stretch I'll do it. The FA don't own my arse they just provided my training!

On the subject of Spain, one of my coach educators was a spanish guy who learnt his trade in Spain before moving to England. His methods where not that different to the English. The problem as you say is with the grassroots game and youth football where little 'Jimmy' ,who's dad coaches his under 8's team very badly, is quite the norm. This is where we differ from the continent!
[quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?[/p][/quote]Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly. I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me![/p][/quote]and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-)[/p][/quote]The FA can 'advise' me all they like! If I feel my players need to static stretch I'll do it. The FA don't own my arse they just provided my training! On the subject of Spain, one of my coach educators was a spanish guy who learnt his trade in Spain before moving to England. His methods where not that different to the English. The problem as you say is with the grassroots game and youth football where little 'Jimmy' ,who's dad coaches his under 8's team very badly, is quite the norm. This is where we differ from the continent! Saintsteve7
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11:34pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Seed - if you want the loyalty points just get me a ticket and I'll be eternally grateful!
Honestly if you want them that desperately call me on 09800.......!
Skunt
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Seed - if you want the loyalty points just get me a ticket and I'll be eternally grateful! Honestly if you want them that desperately call me on 09800.......![/p][/quote]Skunt Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:40pm Tue 9 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

Forgotten Leicester last season when I sat next to you?
Honestly if you want the loyalty points just call me...I'm good for the cash!
Forgotten Leicester last season when I sat next to you? Honestly if you want the loyalty points just call me...I'm good for the cash! St.Yorkie
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11:42pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Red n White says...

On the tackling debate (don't want to quote so many posts) I seem to remember Clichy being surprised hen he moved to Man City that they actually tackled in training. You look at the high number of injuries Arsenal players get and you wonder whether their bodies are less used to getting knocks or are not sure how to handle being tackled as a result.
On the tackling debate (don't want to quote so many posts) I seem to remember Clichy being surprised hen he moved to Man City that they actually tackled in training. You look at the high number of injuries Arsenal players get and you wonder whether their bodies are less used to getting knocks or are not sure how to handle being tackled as a result. Red n White
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11:46pm Tue 9 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
Saintsteve7 wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
MGRA wrote:
slugger wrote:
Crossley Place Saint wrote:
What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??
are you for real ?
no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....
are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?
yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali








an/german open doors training session.
read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .
its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?
I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach.

I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.
so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?
Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly.

I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me!
and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-)
The FA can 'advise' me all they like! If I feel my players need to static stretch I'll do it. The FA don't own my arse they just provided my training!

On the subject of Spain, one of my coach educators was a spanish guy who learnt his trade in Spain before moving to England. His methods where not that different to the English. The problem as you say is with the grassroots game and youth football where little 'Jimmy' ,who's dad coaches his under 8's team very badly, is quite the norm. This is where we differ from the continent!
Agreed.
[quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saintsteve7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MGRA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: What I can’t understand is how a serious injury like this can happen in training. A modern training ground has expert professional staff, physiotherapists, nutritionists, etc and scientific equipment to monitor heart rates, lung capacity, blood flow to muscles etc. The players are supposed to be intensively monitored and have individual fitness programmes and targets… and we are repeatedly assured that out training centre is one of the very best in the country. Yet one of our key players can be tackled in a practice game by some lummox and put out for six weeks. HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??!! A £12million pound player, paid £70,000 a week and we lose his services for 6 weeks and several vital games. That is a huge financial loss and may well cost us vital points. I repeat, HOW CAN THIS HAPPEN??[/p][/quote]are you for real ?[/p][/quote]no he has a point. Compared to Italian and Spanish pros, english team players are over twice as likely to get badly injured in training. training is supposed to be just that... training....[/p][/quote]are you suggesting that players shouldn't practice tackling in training ?[/p][/quote]yes. I am exactly saying that. If a player can not tackle by the time they are pro, they should hang up their boots.... training should not be 100% full contact for over 18s. The FA are clearly light years behind our continental cousins... training is not about "practising" full on tackles. people that disagree with this should maybe take time out to view a typical french/spanish/itali an/german open doors training session.[/p][/quote]read it all now ...... cannot possibly agree .[/p][/quote]its all about getting upto date with what "training sessions" are about. what is the best use of non match time !? think this one through and then it becomes clear why we are struggling in the Prem....full contact training sessions for multi million pound players is an idiots game. Football as a contact sport has its risks and technique in tackling can minimise this, but this can be practised in ways other than the obvious. The FA are living in the 70s and their "coaching badges" are obsolete at all levels. Grade1 dictates "no static stretches" which is outdated and ridiculous. Thats at a very basic level. they have just opened a "centre of excellance" without stating where this "excellance" will come from. best practice from "where" !?[/p][/quote]I'm an A-License coach and at no point in any of my training has a coach educator told me to implement 'full' contact training and likewise they haven't told me not to. It's a decision I've made myself as I think it's necessary. It has sweet F**k all to do with what the FA want/teach. I feel my players need realistic training on a daily basis to prepare their minds and bodies for what's to come. At no point would any player intentionally injure a team mate but accidents do happen.[/p][/quote]so how would you respond to a player that failed to pull out of a contact and caused an injury like that ? also how would you instruct your players to play differently in an exhibition match and how would that advise be interwoven with a training session to minimise injury....?[/p][/quote]Your thinking way too much into this. I've had situations where a player has tried to close down a player quickly in a training exercise and lost his footing. This resulted in him flat on his arse and clattering the player causing knee ligament damage. Complete accident, nothing anyone could of done and nothing to do with full contact training! It was merely a session on closing people down quickly. I obviously should of though contacted you before I became a coach though as you could of quite easily taught me everything I needed to know without needing to train for 10 years and spend thousands of pounds! Silly me![/p][/quote]and who still refrains from static stretches because the FA tell you to even though the Human physiology dictates we are designed to benefit from the opposite. We differ. Our views of the FA are polarised. My experience is that they are unsophisticated and outdated. Still..... maybe the Spanish could learn a thing or two from us,,, maybe they could pick up some trophies maybe.... oh.... hang on a mo !!!! ;-)[/p][/quote]The FA can 'advise' me all they like! If I feel my players need to static stretch I'll do it. The FA don't own my arse they just provided my training! On the subject of Spain, one of my coach educators was a spanish guy who learnt his trade in Spain before moving to England. His methods where not that different to the English. The problem as you say is with the grassroots game and youth football where little 'Jimmy' ,who's dad coaches his under 8's team very badly, is quite the norm. This is where we differ from the continent![/p][/quote]Agreed. MGRA
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11:47pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Forgotten Leicester last season when I sat next to you?
Honestly if you want the loyalty points just call me...I'm good for the cash!
Sat behind me at Derby too :)

How many do you want?
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Forgotten Leicester last season when I sat next to you? Honestly if you want the loyalty points just call me...I'm good for the cash![/p][/quote]Sat behind me at Derby too :) How many do you want? Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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11:50pm Tue 9 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St Retford do you want any Leeds tickets? You could sit with Yorkie.

Off to bed, will check tomorrow when I arrive in Newcastle to survey my latest acquisition. It's all good.
St Retford do you want any Leeds tickets? You could sit with Yorkie. Off to bed, will check tomorrow when I arrive in Newcastle to survey my latest acquisition. It's all good. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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12:01am Wed 10 Oct 12

RedArmy1 says...

With or without key players ... WE WILL BE TAKING THE FIGHT TO WIN AT WET SPAM.

WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON.

We will dominate on the Terraces and come back with 3 points,

WE DEMAND SUCCESS AND THE WIN.

RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY.
With or without key players ... WE WILL BE TAKING THE FIGHT TO WIN AT WET SPAM. WE ARE THE MIGHTY SOUTHAMPTON. We will dominate on the Terraces and come back with 3 points, WE DEMAND SUCCESS AND THE WIN. RED ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRMY. RedArmy1
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12:51am Wed 10 Oct 12

costa gaz says...

The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans.
They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is?

I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion.
They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints
They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros.

They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider.

If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc....

I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. costa gaz
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1:42am Wed 10 Oct 12

mack chinnon says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional.
Saying all that jealousy could be a factor?
Come on you Saints!
Uraguay and Brazil do have a bit of history.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Just have to think it was an accident! I do not think any professional footballer would go out toa injure a fellow professional. Saying all that jealousy could be a factor? Come on you Saints![/p][/quote]Uraguay and Brazil do have a bit of history. mack chinnon
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1:57am Wed 10 Oct 12

mack chinnon says...

Mick the Saint wrote:
mack chinnon wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
pompey in spain wrote:
we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?
Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.
I hope they get stuffed.
They did
Good.
[quote][p][bold]Mick the Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mack chinnon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pompey in spain[/bold] wrote: we are still going so5o,dont worry about us.apparently cortese has been heard singing we,re only making plans for nigel! nigel just needs a helping hand! new staff being taken on at sms maybe? and some dumped?[/p][/quote]Good luck against Wycombe tonight, the Paint Pot really isn't a bad competition if that is all there is to play for, would be nice to bring it back to Hampshire even if it is old enemy that does it.[/p][/quote]I hope they get stuffed.[/p][/quote]They did[/p][/quote]Good. mack chinnon
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4:10am Wed 10 Oct 12

Tirau Dan says...

costa gaz wrote:
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans.
They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is?

I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion.
They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints
They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros.

They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider.

If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc....

I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
A bunch of SFC Fans who know each other and meet regularly to go to matches and support the team home and away when ever they can. I've met a lot of them on a trip back home. They made me and others on an SMS pilgrimage a super welcome. The lads understand overseas and other away fans not being able to get to games. It's also acknowledged that no matter how you watch the game the play is always interpreted differently... often lately so differently that I'd say opinions were diametrically opposed.
Some of the lads love to tease the skates on the news.. nothing wrong with that.
The problem lately is that many Saints fans are falling out over the season start and the state of the team at the moment. Some say early days some say time for a manager change.
The fact is whether you take the pos or neg side we don't know the inside view and can change nothing by having Saints fans at each others throats.
It is so much better to stand solid and support the team whether you can afford (in cash and time) to get to games or whether you can only stay home and glue yourself to dodgy live streams on your PC, HD TV. or website radio feed. Hey we are all Saints and should be trying to draw more people to the empty seats and more people to wear shirts and more people to become Saints fans.
Personally I haven't missed a game live in the new era thanks to tech.. I love getting up in the night and love listening to Bill Slugger and the guys. I enjoy all the regular posters even when I totally disagree and think some may be frustrated and impatient. What ever your views keep posting and keep strong. Give the lads in our team your support because they do need it.... watching the U18s and U21s you can see the changes made at Saints coming on.. SFC is going places. We are hanging on above the relegation places despite being dealt a rum hand last week. Mistakes for me make the man... if they are prepared to learn and work hard.. Our lads and manager are very hard working.

Come on Saints.. all over the world unite, get behind the team. Good Luck all.. SLugger Bill etc give those Skate hell... Wykeham Forever!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]A bunch of SFC Fans who know each other and meet regularly to go to matches and support the team home and away when ever they can. I've met a lot of them on a trip back home. They made me and others on an SMS pilgrimage a super welcome. The lads understand overseas and other away fans not being able to get to games. It's also acknowledged that no matter how you watch the game the play is always interpreted differently... often lately so differently that I'd say opinions were diametrically opposed. Some of the lads love to tease the skates on the news.. nothing wrong with that. The problem lately is that many Saints fans are falling out over the season start and the state of the team at the moment. Some say early days some say time for a manager change. The fact is whether you take the pos or neg side we don't know the inside view and can change nothing by having Saints fans at each others throats. It is so much better to stand solid and support the team whether you can afford (in cash and time) to get to games or whether you can only stay home and glue yourself to dodgy live streams on your PC, HD TV. or website radio feed. Hey we are all Saints and should be trying to draw more people to the empty seats and more people to wear shirts and more people to become Saints fans. Personally I haven't missed a game live in the new era thanks to tech.. I love getting up in the night and love listening to Bill Slugger and the guys. I enjoy all the regular posters even when I totally disagree and think some may be frustrated and impatient. What ever your views keep posting and keep strong. Give the lads in our team your support because they do need it.... watching the U18s and U21s you can see the changes made at Saints coming on.. SFC is going places. We are hanging on above the relegation places despite being dealt a rum hand last week. Mistakes for me make the man... if they are prepared to learn and work hard.. Our lads and manager are very hard working. Come on Saints.. all over the world unite, get behind the team. Good Luck all.. SLugger Bill etc give those Skate hell... Wykeham Forever!!!!! Tirau Dan
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5:46am Wed 10 Oct 12

Scarborosaint says...

A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have
Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table
A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table Scarborosaint
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6:30am Wed 10 Oct 12

Mush On The Beach says...

Tirau Dan wrote:
costa gaz wrote:
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans.
They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is?

I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion.
They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints
They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros.

They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider.

If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc....

I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
A bunch of SFC Fans who know each other and meet regularly to go to matches and support the team home and away when ever they can. I've met a lot of them on a trip back home. They made me and others on an SMS pilgrimage a super welcome. The lads understand overseas and other away fans not being able to get to games. It's also acknowledged that no matter how you watch the game the play is always interpreted differently... often lately so differently that I'd say opinions were diametrically opposed.
Some of the lads love to tease the skates on the news.. nothing wrong with that.
The problem lately is that many Saints fans are falling out over the season start and the state of the team at the moment. Some say early days some say time for a manager change.
The fact is whether you take the pos or neg side we don't know the inside view and can change nothing by having Saints fans at each others throats.
It is so much better to stand solid and support the team whether you can afford (in cash and time) to get to games or whether you can only stay home and glue yourself to dodgy live streams on your PC, HD TV. or website radio feed. Hey we are all Saints and should be trying to draw more people to the empty seats and more people to wear shirts and more people to become Saints fans.
Personally I haven't missed a game live in the new era thanks to tech.. I love getting up in the night and love listening to Bill Slugger and the guys. I enjoy all the regular posters even when I totally disagree and think some may be frustrated and impatient. What ever your views keep posting and keep strong. Give the lads in our team your support because they do need it.... watching the U18s and U21s you can see the changes made at Saints coming on.. SFC is going places. We are hanging on above the relegation places despite being dealt a rum hand last week. Mistakes for me make the man... if they are prepared to learn and work hard.. Our lads and manager are very hard working.

Come on Saints.. all over the world unite, get behind the team. Good Luck all.. SLugger Bill etc give those Skate hell... Wykeham Forever!!!!!
Well said Dan and also cheer up Costa Gaz, sounds like you need a hug, come here fella.

As for Seed, Slugger and Bill you've sussed them Costa, they're secretly skunts trying to infiltrate us :)

You stick with me and Fatty X Ford Worker if you want real intellectual stimulation.
[quote][p][bold]Tirau Dan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]A bunch of SFC Fans who know each other and meet regularly to go to matches and support the team home and away when ever they can. I've met a lot of them on a trip back home. They made me and others on an SMS pilgrimage a super welcome. The lads understand overseas and other away fans not being able to get to games. It's also acknowledged that no matter how you watch the game the play is always interpreted differently... often lately so differently that I'd say opinions were diametrically opposed. Some of the lads love to tease the skates on the news.. nothing wrong with that. The problem lately is that many Saints fans are falling out over the season start and the state of the team at the moment. Some say early days some say time for a manager change. The fact is whether you take the pos or neg side we don't know the inside view and can change nothing by having Saints fans at each others throats. It is so much better to stand solid and support the team whether you can afford (in cash and time) to get to games or whether you can only stay home and glue yourself to dodgy live streams on your PC, HD TV. or website radio feed. Hey we are all Saints and should be trying to draw more people to the empty seats and more people to wear shirts and more people to become Saints fans. Personally I haven't missed a game live in the new era thanks to tech.. I love getting up in the night and love listening to Bill Slugger and the guys. I enjoy all the regular posters even when I totally disagree and think some may be frustrated and impatient. What ever your views keep posting and keep strong. Give the lads in our team your support because they do need it.... watching the U18s and U21s you can see the changes made at Saints coming on.. SFC is going places. We are hanging on above the relegation places despite being dealt a rum hand last week. Mistakes for me make the man... if they are prepared to learn and work hard.. Our lads and manager are very hard working. Come on Saints.. all over the world unite, get behind the team. Good Luck all.. SLugger Bill etc give those Skate hell... Wykeham Forever!!!!![/p][/quote]Well said Dan and also cheer up Costa Gaz, sounds like you need a hug, come here fella. As for Seed, Slugger and Bill you've sussed them Costa, they're secretly skunts trying to infiltrate us :) You stick with me and Fatty X Ford Worker if you want real intellectual stimulation. Mush On The Beach
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6:43am Wed 10 Oct 12

St.Yorkie says...

Seed - are you coming to Leeds? I only want A ticket...need to sort out how to get it to me!
As for Costa having a moan...it's true we all get on and agree to disagree. We all see different games though we watch the same!
From Adkins' substitutions, Guly and Fox we all ahve an opinion! I tend to take it all in...as for being a WUM or Skunt, or being accused of being one of the gang - it's all up for debate!
One thing for sure we all love the Saints...
Seed - are you coming to Leeds? I only want A ticket...need to sort out how to get it to me! As for Costa having a moan...it's true we all get on and agree to disagree. We all see different games though we watch the same! From Adkins' substitutions, Guly and Fox we all ahve an opinion! I tend to take it all in...as for being a WUM or Skunt, or being accused of being one of the gang - it's all up for debate! One thing for sure we all love the Saints... St.Yorkie
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7:31am Wed 10 Oct 12

GX Saint says...

City Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh?[/p][/quote]Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested. GX Saint
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8:14am Wed 10 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

Scarborosaint wrote:
A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have
Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table
The voice of reason.

Not knocking other posts, but, Scarborough, thanks for the knowledgeable info on dead legs and Ramirez's situation.

Agree about the coaching staff, too.
[quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table[/p][/quote]The voice of reason. Not knocking other posts, but, Scarborough, thanks for the knowledgeable info on dead legs and Ramirez's situation. Agree about the coaching staff, too. Strasbourg Saint
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9:01am Wed 10 Oct 12

MGRA says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
Scarborosaint wrote:
A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have
Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table
The voice of reason.

Not knocking other posts, but, Scarborough, thanks for the knowledgeable info on dead legs and Ramirez's situation.

Agree about the coaching staff, too.
recovery time for leg muscle trauma like this is largely dependent on how quickly he gets back to light training. For professional atheletes the time-off to actively recover ratio is about 1:6....
He won't start a game before December. I don't think Saints need a defensive coaching "shake up".... most of our goals let in are not the sort you can train to prevent in the same way for other goals in open play. I agree with the comments about defending from midfield.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scarborosaint[/bold] wrote: A dead Leg Is basically a contusion or a bruise in the muscle and can either be inter muscular or intramuscular . As with most injuries they are graded 1,2 or 3 . One is light to 3 severe. Gaston has had a grade 3 obviously and the pressure ie blood build up is contained with nowhere to go. For those old enough to remember Mark Dennis had a similar episode which meant stopping the coach at a hospital on the way back from an away game to be operated on . The recovery time is up to 6 weeks but with the use of ultrasound , stretching and rehab exercise it's likely to be less time especially with the excellent medical staff saints have Have seen a number of people mention about a defensive coach but Andy Crosby was a defender not top level but at professional level don't remember mourinho or wenger playing at any level of great note!! Dean Wilkins has a good reputation as a coach and alongside NA I am sure they can cover the bases , nothing flash about all 3 but good solid professionals who can each bring something to the table[/p][/quote]The voice of reason. Not knocking other posts, but, Scarborough, thanks for the knowledgeable info on dead legs and Ramirez's situation. Agree about the coaching staff, too.[/p][/quote]recovery time for leg muscle trauma like this is largely dependent on how quickly he gets back to light training. For professional atheletes the time-off to actively recover ratio is about 1:6.... He won't start a game before December. I don't think Saints need a defensive coaching "shake up".... most of our goals let in are not the sort you can train to prevent in the same way for other goals in open play. I agree with the comments about defending from midfield. MGRA
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9:16am Wed 10 Oct 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

has to be learned to be done safely (i.e.for both players sake).
Lets not allow our great game bFootball regardless of recent popular opinion is a contact sport.
Tackling is still part of it,although most referees seem to disagree.
How many games have been completely turned on a big tackle in defence or midfield?
How this has lifted the team and supporters.
It is an integral part of the game.
Tackling like every aspect of footballecome a namby pamby netball like game.
Anyone who has ever played the game knows that accidents happen in training,you cant learn the game unless you train, as you intend to play.
COYR
has to be learned to be done safely (i.e.for both players sake). Lets not allow our great game bFootball regardless of recent popular opinion is a contact sport. Tackling is still part of it,although most referees seem to disagree. How many games have been completely turned on a big tackle in defence or midfield? How this has lifted the team and supporters. It is an integral part of the game. Tackling like every aspect of footballecome a namby pamby netball like game. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that accidents happen in training,you cant learn the game unless you train, as you intend to play. COYR SFCOLDBOY
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9:21am Wed 10 Oct 12

SFCOLDBOY says...

SFCOLDBOY wrote:
has to be learned to be done safely (i.e.for both players sake).
Lets not allow our great game bFootball regardless of recent popular opinion is a contact sport.
Tackling is still part of it,although most referees seem to disagree.
How many games have been completely turned on a big tackle in defence or midfield?
How this has lifted the team and supporters.
It is an integral part of the game.
Tackling like every aspect of footballecome a namby pamby netball like game.
Anyone who has ever played the game knows that accidents happen in training,you cant learn the game unless you train, as you intend to play.
COYR
Sorry about the start of my post computer did its own thing. The word "Football" in line 2 was at the begining.
Work that one out.
[quote][p][bold]SFCOLDBOY[/bold] wrote: has to be learned to be done safely (i.e.for both players sake). Lets not allow our great game bFootball regardless of recent popular opinion is a contact sport. Tackling is still part of it,although most referees seem to disagree. How many games have been completely turned on a big tackle in defence or midfield? How this has lifted the team and supporters. It is an integral part of the game. Tackling like every aspect of footballecome a namby pamby netball like game. Anyone who has ever played the game knows that accidents happen in training,you cant learn the game unless you train, as you intend to play. COYR[/p][/quote]Sorry about the start of my post computer did its own thing. The word "Football" in line 2 was at the begining. Work that one out. SFCOLDBOY
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2:30pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

St.Yorkie wrote:
Seed - are you coming to Leeds? I only want A ticket...need to sort out how to get it to me!
As for Costa having a moan...it's true we all get on and agree to disagree. We all see different games though we watch the same!
From Adkins' substitutions, Guly and Fox we all ahve an opinion! I tend to take it all in...as for being a WUM or Skunt, or being accused of being one of the gang - it's all up for debate!
One thing for sure we all love the Saints...
I doubt I will go to Leeds. I can get you the ticket and hand it to you in the pub before or after the Spuds game.
[quote][p][bold]St.Yorkie[/bold] wrote: Seed - are you coming to Leeds? I only want A ticket...need to sort out how to get it to me! As for Costa having a moan...it's true we all get on and agree to disagree. We all see different games though we watch the same! From Adkins' substitutions, Guly and Fox we all ahve an opinion! I tend to take it all in...as for being a WUM or Skunt, or being accused of being one of the gang - it's all up for debate! One thing for sure we all love the Saints...[/p][/quote]I doubt I will go to Leeds. I can get you the ticket and hand it to you in the pub before or after the Spuds game. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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2:39pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

costa gaz wrote:
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans.
They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is?

I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion.
They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints
They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros.

They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider.

If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc....

I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cobblers. I have nothing but the greatest respect for fans dotted around the globe that get up at silly o'clock to tune in on a flakey stream to follow our team. Dan, Mush, Strass, Norge and the rest - fairplay to them all.

And we don't all have the same opinion about everything. My take on NC is quite different from Sluggers, makes for healthy debate in the pubs.

I do object to people leaving early as it's disruptive to those that stay, is noticed by the players and wakes the opposition fans up giving them something to sing about. I cannot think of one positive relating to it.

As for the skates I have always posted as me, not pretending to be one of them like you see on here and have been consistent in my view that if they don't take control of their club back via the PST they will regret the return of Chainrai. People like him damage football in general.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]Cobblers. I have nothing but the greatest respect for fans dotted around the globe that get up at silly o'clock to tune in on a flakey stream to follow our team. Dan, Mush, Strass, Norge and the rest - fairplay to them all. And we don't all have the same opinion about everything. My take on NC is quite different from Sluggers, makes for healthy debate in the pubs. I do object to people leaving early as it's disruptive to those that stay, is noticed by the players and wakes the opposition fans up giving them something to sing about. I cannot think of one positive relating to it. As for the skates I have always posted as me, not pretending to be one of them like you see on here and have been consistent in my view that if they don't take control of their club back via the PST they will regret the return of Chainrai. People like him damage football in general. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
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4:39pm Wed 10 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

International weeks are sooooooooooo boring
International weeks are sooooooooooo boring SO50 Saint
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5:08pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

Terrible news following on from Gaston and Clyne's dead legs, Rickie has suffered a Chinese burn and Adam has been given a wedgie. They must stop the youth team players training with the seniors or we will never be able to field a full strength team.
Terrible news following on from Gaston and Clyne's dead legs, Rickie has suffered a Chinese burn and Adam has been given a wedgie. They must stop the youth team players training with the seniors or we will never be able to field a full strength team. Redrobbo
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5:16pm Wed 10 Oct 12

saintshorse101 says...

costa gaz wrote:
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv).
there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great!
please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on.
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv). there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great! please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on. saintshorse101
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5:29pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
costa gaz wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cobblers. I have nothing but the greatest respect for fans dotted around the globe that get up at silly o'clock to tune in on a flakey stream to follow our team. Dan, Mush, Strass, Norge and the rest - fairplay to them all. And we don't all have the same opinion about everything. My take on NC is quite different from Sluggers, makes for healthy debate in the pubs. I do object to people leaving early as it's disruptive to those that stay, is noticed by the players and wakes the opposition fans up giving them something to sing about. I cannot think of one positive relating to it. As for the skates I have always posted as me, not pretending to be one of them like you see on here and have been consistent in my view that if they don't take control of their club back via the PST they will regret the return of Chainrai. People like him damage football in general.
I also object to people who leave early,arrive after kick off,disappear before half time and get back ten minutes after the second half has started.What I can't understand is they are usually the same people, so they miss 20 minutes of a 90 minute game.
As for the complaints about the catering at the ground, just cant take those seriously.I like a beer as much as the next man, and aways have a few before the game,but I go to football to watch the game not to drink overpriced weak and gassy beer.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]Cobblers. I have nothing but the greatest respect for fans dotted around the globe that get up at silly o'clock to tune in on a flakey stream to follow our team. Dan, Mush, Strass, Norge and the rest - fairplay to them all. And we don't all have the same opinion about everything. My take on NC is quite different from Sluggers, makes for healthy debate in the pubs. I do object to people leaving early as it's disruptive to those that stay, is noticed by the players and wakes the opposition fans up giving them something to sing about. I cannot think of one positive relating to it. As for the skates I have always posted as me, not pretending to be one of them like you see on here and have been consistent in my view that if they don't take control of their club back via the PST they will regret the return of Chainrai. People like him damage football in general.[/p][/quote]I also object to people who leave early,arrive after kick off,disappear before half time and get back ten minutes after the second half has started.What I can't understand is they are usually the same people, so they miss 20 minutes of a 90 minute game. As for the complaints about the catering at the ground, just cant take those seriously.I like a beer as much as the next man, and aways have a few before the game,but I go to football to watch the game not to drink overpriced weak and gassy beer. Redrobbo
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5:43pm Wed 10 Oct 12

CB FRY LIVES says...

bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.
bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him. CB FRY LIVES
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5:49pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Redrobbo says...

saintshorse101 wrote:
costa gaz wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv). there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great! please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on.
Agree with most of this. Some people seem to think they are entitled to an input into how the club is run.The truth is they are not. Marcus brought the club, his family now own it and they seem to be happy to let Nicola Cortese run it. End of story. If he wants to sack the programme sellers he can do so, he has no obligation to me or anyone else to explain his actions.It might be better from a Public Realtions point of veiw if he employed a Spin Doctor but he obviously does not feel the need to pander to the fans.The reality is that most fans don't give a Tinker's Cuss what goes on as long as the team is successful. In the short term most fans would not care if the club went into debt if it menat that we were playing European football and winning the odd Cup. The only time they would have an issue is if the club then ran into financial difficultes, ask Pompey and Leeds fans and they were happy to go along for the ride.It's only in hindsight that they would claim that their clubs should have been run more prudently. All clubs not just Saints now treat their fans as customers, this is business first sport second. people can moand and groan about all sorts of things going on at St.Mary's it will not change a thing, even voting with your feet will not work because clubs now worship at the church of Sky, they have far more influence than any fanbase can ever hope to achieve.
[quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv). there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great! please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of this. Some people seem to think they are entitled to an input into how the club is run.The truth is they are not. Marcus brought the club, his family now own it and they seem to be happy to let Nicola Cortese run it. End of story. If he wants to sack the programme sellers he can do so, he has no obligation to me or anyone else to explain his actions.It might be better from a Public Realtions point of veiw if he employed a Spin Doctor but he obviously does not feel the need to pander to the fans.The reality is that most fans don't give a Tinker's Cuss what goes on as long as the team is successful. In the short term most fans would not care if the club went into debt if it menat that we were playing European football and winning the odd Cup. The only time they would have an issue is if the club then ran into financial difficultes, ask Pompey and Leeds fans and they were happy to go along for the ride.It's only in hindsight that they would claim that their clubs should have been run more prudently. All clubs not just Saints now treat their fans as customers, this is business first sport second. people can moand and groan about all sorts of things going on at St.Mary's it will not change a thing, even voting with your feet will not work because clubs now worship at the church of Sky, they have far more influence than any fanbase can ever hope to achieve. Redrobbo
  • Score: 0

5:53pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Strasbourg Saint says...

CB FRY LIVES wrote:
bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.
Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty.

I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks.
[quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.[/p][/quote]Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty. I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks. Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Wed 10 Oct 12

redsnapper says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
International weeks are sooooooooooo boring
Agree totally.
Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years.

As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA.
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: International weeks are sooooooooooo boring[/p][/quote]Agree totally. Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years. As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA. redsnapper
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Wed 10 Oct 12

redsnapper says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
International weeks are sooooooooooo boring
Agree totally.
Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years.

As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA.
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: International weeks are sooooooooooo boring[/p][/quote]Agree totally. Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years. As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA. redsnapper
  • Score: 0

6:33pm Wed 10 Oct 12

Baddesley Bill says...

Redrobbo wrote:
saintshorse101 wrote:
costa gaz wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv). there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great! please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on.
Agree with most of this. Some people seem to think they are entitled to an input into how the club is run.The truth is they are not. Marcus brought the club, his family now own it and they seem to be happy to let Nicola Cortese run it. End of story. If he wants to sack the programme sellers he can do so, he has no obligation to me or anyone else to explain his actions.It might be better from a Public Realtions point of veiw if he employed a Spin Doctor but he obviously does not feel the need to pander to the fans.The reality is that most fans don't give a Tinker's Cuss what goes on as long as the team is successful. In the short term most fans would not care if the club went into debt if it menat that we were playing European football and winning the odd Cup. The only time they would have an issue is if the club then ran into financial difficultes, ask Pompey and Leeds fans and they were happy to go along for the ride.It's only in hindsight that they would claim that their clubs should have been run more prudently. All clubs not just Saints now treat their fans as customers, this is business first sport second. people can moand and groan about all sorts of things going on at St.Mary's it will not change a thing, even voting with your feet will not work because clubs now worship at the church of Sky, they have far more influence than any fanbase can ever hope to achieve.
Harsh words from Costa Gaz....but I take them onboard. Many regular posters on here have met up and formed friendships based on the love we have for our Club. We don't all have the same opinions, but it is always easier to respect an opinion when it is given face to face. A few posters on here just post their "opinions" to get a rise out of others. They would never consider a reasoned debate over a beer.
PS Costa Gaz....have you considered forming your own gang with Costa Baz?...be good to know that we have a thriving Spanish Saints enclave! :O)
[quote][p][bold]Redrobbo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saintshorse101[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]costa gaz, i have never met any of the posters on this site and because of reasons i wont go into here i dont get to many games despite living in totton (i know the shame). i do however agree with most of what the majority of fans on here say. although i do have differing views on some subject, i dont agree with seed with regards to poopey for example. what i think you might be getting at is certain people who post on here get abuse from most fans when they comment on subjects. well that might be true, but i think the problem is the fact that those posters are just on here for an argument. look at some of the posts they have made and the storys they posted on. a headline yesterday said how saints had backed down over the ML suite issue, this soon got changed by certain people into NC being a control freak and always getting what he wants (despite the story saying the exact opposite). these people, the booorer, thomasuphimself etc. allways post the same thing over and over again regardless of the story and even when given the facts and pointed out that they are wrong they still persist with their anti saints, NC, NA, fans posts. that is why they get called out by the majority as poopey fans and wums. saints fans are wonderful people with diverse views on most things, but we all do have one thing in common! i mainly only post on here when i see these anti saints posts or posts that are just wrong factually. i accept other peoples views but i will not accept people who are only here as a wind up or to push their own anti ....... agenda. i am sorry if that upsets you, but i will defend my saints to the hilt and that means the whole club from owner and the chair to the manager and the players (yes all of them including guly, fox, fonte and kelv). there have been some great debates on here recently with regards to players and that debate is great! please remember i am not having a go at you i am just trying to explain whats been going on.[/p][/quote]Agree with most of this. Some people seem to think they are entitled to an input into how the club is run.The truth is they are not. Marcus brought the club, his family now own it and they seem to be happy to let Nicola Cortese run it. End of story. If he wants to sack the programme sellers he can do so, he has no obligation to me or anyone else to explain his actions.It might be better from a Public Realtions point of veiw if he employed a Spin Doctor but he obviously does not feel the need to pander to the fans.The reality is that most fans don't give a Tinker's Cuss what goes on as long as the team is successful. In the short term most fans would not care if the club went into debt if it menat that we were playing European football and winning the odd Cup. The only time they would have an issue is if the club then ran into financial difficultes, ask Pompey and Leeds fans and they were happy to go along for the ride.It's only in hindsight that they would claim that their clubs should have been run more prudently. All clubs not just Saints now treat their fans as customers, this is business first sport second. people can moand and groan about all sorts of things going on at St.Mary's it will not change a thing, even voting with your feet will not work because clubs now worship at the church of Sky, they have far more influence than any fanbase can ever hope to achieve.[/p][/quote]Harsh words from Costa Gaz....but I take them onboard. Many regular posters on here have met up and formed friendships based on the love we have for our Club. We don't all have the same opinions, but it is always easier to respect an opinion when it is given face to face. A few posters on here just post their "opinions" to get a rise out of others. They would never consider a reasoned debate over a beer. PS Costa Gaz....have you considered forming your own gang with Costa Baz?...be good to know that we have a thriving Spanish Saints enclave! :O) Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

7:32pm Wed 10 Oct 12

warrens 76 says...

Strasbourg Saint wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.
Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty.

I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks.
You are right...good ol Flash.
[quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.[/p][/quote]Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty. I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks.[/p][/quote]You are right...good ol Flash. warrens 76
  • Score: 0

11:14pm Wed 10 Oct 12

brighton saint says...

Oh dear it looks like we have another Tin Man on our books...bought by the Chairman and a sick note...personally I'm not happy at the mo as I think as a club we have lost our identity for what we stand for...to be the 7th highest spenders in Europe this summer is not what saints are about...bloody hell look at what happened to the skates down the road thinking they could buy success...I think the squad that has got us here has been ripped apart and thus the team spirit has been..IMO I'd rather watch those dudes with a few tweaks playing in the prem and given the chance to do it...some of them have been cast aside...ruthless but that is not Saints...It saddens me to see it happen...anyway dudes rant over and hang 10
Oh dear it looks like we have another Tin Man on our books...bought by the Chairman and a sick note...personally I'm not happy at the mo as I think as a club we have lost our identity for what we stand for...to be the 7th highest spenders in Europe this summer is not what saints are about...bloody hell look at what happened to the skates down the road thinking they could buy success...I think the squad that has got us here has been ripped apart and thus the team spirit has been..IMO I'd rather watch those dudes with a few tweaks playing in the prem and given the chance to do it...some of them have been cast aside...ruthless but that is not Saints...It saddens me to see it happen...anyway dudes rant over and hang 10 brighton saint
  • Score: 0

9:16am Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

warrens 76 wrote:
Strasbourg Saint wrote:
CB FRY LIVES wrote:
bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.
Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty.

I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks.
You are right...good ol Flash.
Flash was last reported as scouting and advising at Leicester City but that was on Wiki and may be a bit dated.
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Strasbourg Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]CB FRY LIVES[/bold] wrote: bad news.we have had a lot of injuries so far this season.i think Chung was injured during training too.plus clyne.then shaw has an illness.its like the 1990s when all our so called marquee signings got crocked early in their saints career and never played for us much again.DAVID HIRST,DAVID HOWELLS,PERRY GROVES,GORDON WATSON,JOHN BERESFORD,BARRY VENNISON.Lets hope Ramirez gets over it soon we need him.[/p][/quote]Chung was injured in Japan while on international duty. I thought 'Flash' Gordon Watson played a lot for us, no? His career-ending injury happened just after he left, having just joined ...... um ....... Huddersfield, was it? Some dirty bu66ger made sure of that and, if my memory serves me right, got taken to court for GBH. I also think it may have been something like his second start up there after scoring a screamer in his first, but my memory might be playing tricks.[/p][/quote]You are right...good ol Flash.[/p][/quote]Flash was last reported as scouting and advising at Leicester City but that was on Wiki and may be a bit dated. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:33am Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

costa gaz wrote:
The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans.
They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is?

I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion.
They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints
They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros.

They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider.

If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc....

I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
I guess, I may be regarded as one of the GANG? Quite an honour really! I have to disagree with you, your opinion definitely counts, and no, you don't have to go to St. M to have an opinion, it has never stopped our overseas posters from saying their piece. Some unfortunates never get to see the action, relying on radio, Internet, or newspapers to keep them informed, which is why reasonable debate can help them to form a true picture, my arguments are usually down to my somewhat red and white bias, doesn't mean to say that I am the only one that gets it right or wrong, I have made some classic gaffs, but have never tried to deceive people by telling fibs, creating doubt or scurrilous rumours. If I perceive inaccuracy I tend to start reseaching for the correct answer, not relying on nonsense, mischief or untruths posted by those that are not genuine Saints supporters, they know who they are. I enjoy teasing those that I think are wrong, I try hard not to be abusive, but I do get close sometimes, then it is count to ten time and leave it for a while. Usually someone else says it for me!
[quote][p][bold]costa gaz[/bold] wrote: The GANG... the worlds greatest Southampton fans. They are the only fans with valid opinions, disagree? then you are a wum or a skunt, whatever that is? I can only watch my team on TV in HD, with action replays and analysis during and after the game, so my opinion doesn't count. It's seems you have to be at the stadium to have an opinion. They are the experts on all things Southampton and the rest of us outsiders know nothing. The only real fans of the Saints They all stay to the end of every game and will hear no criticism of their red shirted heros. They have completely hi-jacked the echo site and if you dare post an opinion make sure there are no spelling or grammar mistakes, they find fault in every outsider. If you want to read more of the GANG'S opinions then why not go to the pompey news board and witness them sucking up to the pompey fans on there. .... you know who you are, seed, bill etc..etc.... I have given up arguing with idiots..., they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.[/p][/quote]I guess, I may be regarded as one of the GANG? Quite an honour really! I have to disagree with you, your opinion definitely counts, and no, you don't have to go to St. M to have an opinion, it has never stopped our overseas posters from saying their piece. Some unfortunates never get to see the action, relying on radio, Internet, or newspapers to keep them informed, which is why reasonable debate can help them to form a true picture, my arguments are usually down to my somewhat red and white bias, doesn't mean to say that I am the only one that gets it right or wrong, I have made some classic gaffs, but have never tried to deceive people by telling fibs, creating doubt or scurrilous rumours. If I perceive inaccuracy I tend to start reseaching for the correct answer, not relying on nonsense, mischief or untruths posted by those that are not genuine Saints supporters, they know who they are. I enjoy teasing those that I think are wrong, I try hard not to be abusive, but I do get close sometimes, then it is count to ten time and leave it for a while. Usually someone else says it for me! OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

9:48am Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Oh, and reference about the Gang going on the News site, I tried some missionary work on there during our Championship days, but came to the conclusion a long time ago that it was already a lost cause, a quick glance now and again hasn't changed that opinion, the majority of Pompey fans are no different to us, but the bad ones are really awful and are helping to drag them down every time they speak and the in-fighting amongst them make us look like a lot of **** cats. They will get whatever they deserve but I don't see that it is any of our business, we have enough of our own problems, we should learn from their mistakes and keep a united front to ensure nothing like it ever happens to us again, which means even if you are unhappy with one or two things at the moment, by all means say so, but be careful not to undermine the good work that has gone before and the aims for the future as we see them. Rant over, let's be hearing from you, positively if you can.
Oh, and reference about the Gang going on the News site, I tried some missionary work on there during our Championship days, but came to the conclusion a long time ago that it was already a lost cause, a quick glance now and again hasn't changed that opinion, the majority of Pompey fans are no different to us, but the bad ones are really awful and are helping to drag them down every time they speak and the in-fighting amongst them make us look like a lot of **** cats. They will get whatever they deserve but I don't see that it is any of our business, we have enough of our own problems, we should learn from their mistakes and keep a united front to ensure nothing like it ever happens to us again, which means even if you are unhappy with one or two things at the moment, by all means say so, but be careful not to undermine the good work that has gone before and the aims for the future as we see them. Rant over, let's be hearing from you, positively if you can. OSPREYSAINT
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11:02am Thu 11 Oct 12

mrtein says...

Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid
Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid mrtein
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11:16am Thu 11 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

Ospreysaint are you SFC's Delia Smith? Let's be hearing from you rather than let's be having you. Anyone know anymore the time frame on Gastons injury let's hope it is the 6 weeks and not more would be good to have him back for the Norwich game late November could be a massive match
Ospreysaint are you SFC's Delia Smith? Let's be hearing from you rather than let's be having you. Anyone know anymore the time frame on Gastons injury let's hope it is the 6 weeks and not more would be good to have him back for the Norwich game late November could be a massive match SO50 Saint
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11:55am Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

If you think I have anything to do with catering at St. Marys think again, the only possible resemblance to her that I have is that we both love our football teams.
If you think I have anything to do with catering at St. Marys think again, the only possible resemblance to her that I have is that we both love our football teams. OSPREYSAINT
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12:06pm Thu 11 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

I was talking about your rant rather than your culinary skills Osprey. 'Let's be hearing from you'
I was talking about your rant rather than your culinary skills Osprey. 'Let's be hearing from you' SO50 Saint
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12:13pm Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Yes well Delia was in charge of the Catering at Norwich, I guess we could do with someone to sort St. Marys out as there have been a few complaints recently. I was saying "where are you" to the eejits that walked out after Fulhams 2nd goal and missed the equaliser.
Yes well Delia was in charge of the Catering at Norwich, I guess we could do with someone to sort St. Marys out as there have been a few complaints recently. I was saying "where are you" to the eejits that walked out after Fulhams 2nd goal and missed the equaliser. OSPREYSAINT
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12:29pm Thu 11 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

With regards to catering I don't know what people really expect there's not enough room for many other catering places and its just unfortunate they are always packed if people are that desperate for a beer they will leave a couple of minutes before half time and that's completely up to them I dont mind as I stand next to an aisle anyway
With regards to catering I don't know what people really expect there's not enough room for many other catering places and its just unfortunate they are always packed if people are that desperate for a beer they will leave a couple of minutes before half time and that's completely up to them I dont mind as I stand next to an aisle anyway SO50 Saint
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1:51pm Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

SO50 Saint wrote:
With regards to catering I don't know what people really expect there's not enough room for many other catering places and its just unfortunate they are always packed if people are that desperate for a beer they will leave a couple of minutes before half time and that's completely up to them I dont mind as I stand next to an aisle anyway
It is a tricky subject and very difficult to assess, as far as I know the last complaint was the fact that you couldn't buy a bottle of Pepsi-Cola in the concourse any more, only Fruit Shoot or whatever that is, why is that? Well perhaps the purveyor and their supplier couldn't agree on a price that is satisfactory financially, so it is not available any more, only guess work on my part but possible don't you think? I haven't used the facilities so my qualifications to comment are fairly weak.
[quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: With regards to catering I don't know what people really expect there's not enough room for many other catering places and its just unfortunate they are always packed if people are that desperate for a beer they will leave a couple of minutes before half time and that's completely up to them I dont mind as I stand next to an aisle anyway[/p][/quote]It is a tricky subject and very difficult to assess, as far as I know the last complaint was the fact that you couldn't buy a bottle of Pepsi-Cola in the concourse any more, only Fruit Shoot or whatever that is, why is that? Well perhaps the purveyor and their supplier couldn't agree on a price that is satisfactory financially, so it is not available any more, only guess work on my part but possible don't you think? I haven't used the facilities so my qualifications to comment are fairly weak. OSPREYSAINT
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1:59pm Thu 11 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

mrtein wrote:
Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid
Agustin Delgado, he went back to Ecuador and retired from playing to run a club called Valle del Chota. He could have been so much better but refused to learn English and was dogged by injuries and assorted other personal problems, fell out with Gordon Strachan too, not one of our better signings.
[quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid[/p][/quote]Agustin Delgado, he went back to Ecuador and retired from playing to run a club called Valle del Chota. He could have been so much better but refused to learn English and was dogged by injuries and assorted other personal problems, fell out with Gordon Strachan too, not one of our better signings. OSPREYSAINT
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2:19pm Thu 11 Oct 12

SO50 Saint says...

Sounds about right, the club is now being run more like a business and that is fine by me. Although saying that I would far prefer a coca-cola to a fruit shoot or whatever that is.
Sounds about right, the club is now being run more like a business and that is fine by me. Although saying that I would far prefer a coca-cola to a fruit shoot or whatever that is. SO50 Saint
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4:21pm Thu 11 Oct 12

ShakeyWiffles says...

redsnapper wrote:
SO50 Saint wrote:
International weeks are sooooooooooo boring
Agree totally.
Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years.

As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA.
Literally sweet FA
[quote][p][bold]redsnapper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SO50 Saint[/bold] wrote: International weeks are sooooooooooo boring[/p][/quote]Agree totally. Boring is an understatement, I cannot understand how 80000 lost souls will turn up to watch the worlds worst team (San Marino) play Ingerlund who, in turn only deliver 1 performance with talking about every 10 years. As for all the bollards about the new national training centre, will it make a difference I doubt it. Just an expensive place for the blazers to gather and do sweet FA.[/p][/quote]Literally sweet FA ShakeyWiffles
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8:49pm Thu 11 Oct 12

City Saint says...

GX Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.
Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you.

Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference.

I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned.

Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".
[quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh?[/p][/quote]Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.[/p][/quote]Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid". City Saint
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8:51pm Thu 11 Oct 12

City Saint says...

mrtein wrote:
Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid
Me too. I was thinking of noting The Curse of Saint Augustin.
[quote][p][bold]mrtein[/bold] wrote: Oh God. The first thing that popped into my mind was Delgardo! heaven forbid[/p][/quote]Me too. I was thinking of noting The Curse of Saint Augustin. City Saint
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8:55pm Thu 11 Oct 12

City Saint says...

City Saint wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.
Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".
GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies.

But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately.

What does the GX stand for?
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh?[/p][/quote]Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.[/p][/quote]Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".[/p][/quote]GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies. But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately. What does the GX stand for? City Saint
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5:32pm Fri 12 Oct 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

City Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.
Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".
GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies.

But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately.

What does the GX stand for?
The National Anthem?
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh?[/p][/quote]Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.[/p][/quote]Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".[/p][/quote]GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies. But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately. What does the GX stand for?[/p][/quote]The National Anthem? OSPREYSAINT
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9:05pm Fri 12 Oct 12

City Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
City Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
GX Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Block 34 wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.
You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.
Eh?
Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.
Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".
GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies. But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately. What does the GX stand for?
The National Anthem?
Lol.

Well, I came back just to see if grovelling was in order, but it appears not.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GX Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Block 34[/bold] wrote: Join the protest!! email these guys!! Email to: matchdayhospitality@ saintsfc.co.uk Now I know you guys at matchday hospitality are only really interested in big bucks from corporate sponsors, but just for a minute spare a thought for the ordinary fans - i.e. most of us - and the apalling state of catering facilities at St Mary's. If you could pass this email on to the appropriate persons (and Nicola Cortese) it would be apprecated. It has long been the case that it is not possible to get food and/or drink at half time without either leaving your seat before the end of the first half, or returning after the start of the second. Even then, the quality of service is disgraceful. Often there is no hot food, it is impossible to buy a white coffee - you have to fight through the crowd & the queues for the toilets to find milk at the back of the hall, which is often not replenished when it has run out - and beer/lager served is frequently 50% froth. Staff are clueless, disinterested, slow, or all three. This situation has endured for too long. Many fans no longer bother going to the bar due to the poor service, which results in lost takings for the catering section and disgruntled fans. This needs to be addressed. You can't get away with charging £600+ for a season ticket and then treating people this way - next season they won't be back. It's time to show you care about your supporters & give them a decent deal.[/p][/quote]You mean 'uninterested'. I would hope that bar staff are indeed disinterested.[/p][/quote]Eh?[/p][/quote]Why jump in with Eh? If you don't know what disinterested means, google it. Clue ... It doesn't mean uninterested.[/p][/quote]Lol. Well, since you ask: I know what disinterested means, as clearly do you. Why you would hope that the bar staff is disinterested is what I wonder about, with "eh", since you do clearly understand the difference. I am curious about why you hope the bar staff is disinterested. So go on then mate, do please let me know why the bar staff should be so positioned. Not trying to wind you up, just replying since you see my "eh"? And raise me a "you're stoopid".[/p][/quote]GX Saint: I notice reading this back that you are a third party, apologies. But if you can explain why anyone would hope that our bar staff ought to be disinterested, I will withdraw my "eh" and grovel appropriately. What does the GX stand for?[/p][/quote]The National Anthem?[/p][/quote]Lol. Well, I came back just to see if grovelling was in order, but it appears not. City Saint
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