Former Saints chairmen Michael Wilde and Rupert Lowe are preparing to join forces in a dramatic bid to regain control of the club.
Though Lowe and Wilde have had very public differences in the past - Wilde led the campaign to oust Lowe in the summer of 2006 - sources close to the Daily Echo understand they are ready to put that to one side to return to the club in unison.
Both men, and in Lowe's case the former board supporters he still represents, fear a slide towards financial oblivion under the current directors.
Between them, Wilde and the Lowe camp represent around 46 per cent of the club's shareholding - if they came together, a figure large enough to basically instigate whatever changes they want.
In the first instance, that could be making changes to the board, throwing into major doubt the position of Crouch as chairman.
The theory behind the move is believed to be that in the short term Wilde and Lowe think they could halt the current slide before the club hits the rocks.
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And in the longer term it would make it easier for investors to talk to the club with nearly half of the total shares being represented on the PLC board.
Currently, there is less
than ten per cent of the
shareholding on the PLC
board - the vast majority
belonging to Crouch, who
bought a nine per cent
stake from an investment
company, which had
always previously backed
Lowe, in April 2006.
Wilde is Saints' biggest
individual shareholder
with around 17 per cent -
most of which were
bought from ex-Saints
shareholders Paul
Thompson, Keith
Wiseman, Ian Gordon
and Brian Hunt.
And while Lowe holds
less than seven per cent
himself, he is said to
speak for some 29 per cent
of the holding, including
former board supporters
Guy Askham, Andrew
Cowen, Mike Richards,
David Windsor-Clive and Michael Withers.
Wilde and Lowe have
been the subject of fierce
criticism from the fans in
recent weeks who claim
they are doing nothing to
help the club in its hour
of need.
That could be part of the
motivation for a possible
return.
There is also the
prospect that if the club
continued its current
slide, the shareholdings -
which Lowe has held out
to sell at a premium rate -
could dramatically
decrease in value.
The Daily Echo has been
told by financial experts
that if Wilde and Lowe do
act together, they could
make whatever changes
they wanted.
Though the ultimate
weapon would be to call
an EGM, with such a
clear victory in their
sights Saints' legal advisors
Seymour Pierce
would almost certainly
recommend that the current
board accepts whatever
they request.
That would be likely to
mean Wilde and Lowe
returning to the board,
with or without Crouch.
Crouch was the man
who supported Wilde in
ousting Lowe, ultimately
tipping the balance
Wilde's way and becoming
the agent for change'
he always insisted he
wanted to be.
This latest twist in the
Saints ownership saga,
though, would be the
most dramatic yet as
things would have swung
full circle.
When contacted by the
Daily Echo yesterday,
Wilde said: "I can't comment
on speculation and
rumour."
Lowe said: "I have nothing
to report to you, old
chap" before hanging up.
Saints chairman
Crouch declined to comment.
This afternoon, the club released a statement concerning the speculation.
It read: "The Club are aware of the article which appeared in the Southern Daily Echo today regarding Rupert Lowe and Michael Wilde.
"There is no intention to make any comment at this time as the board have not yet been required in writing to consider any proposal.
"All that matters at this stage of the season is the concentration of everyone (board, staff, manager, players and fans) upon the match against Coventry on Saturday and the need to succeed both then and in the following weeks.
"No true fan of the club or responsible shareholder could credibly identify themselves with such a controversial proposal at so delicate a time."
Posted by: red n white, southampton on 8:14am Wed 19 Mar 08
Oh great so the prat thats put us in this position in the first place now wants to come back with the other prat who failed to invest and resinged,So possibly league 1 next season and with dumb and dumber in charge and control things are looking up, thankfully i ripped up my season ticket ren ewal form last night after they are rewarding the loyal fans for going to preston and sheffeld, lovely what about the season ticket holders who have gone to four away games and shelled out lots of hard working wages to pay for it,oh yeah we dont get free tickets for our loyalty.
Oh great so the prat thats put us in this position in the first place now wants to come back with the other prat who failed to invest and resinged,So possibly league 1 next season and with dumb and dumber in charge and control things are looking up, thankfully i ripped up my season ticket ren ewal form last night after they are rewarding the loyal fans for going to preston and sheffeld, lovely what about the season ticket holders who have gone to four away games and shelled out lots of hard working wages to pay for it,oh yeah we dont get free tickets for our loyalty.
This story is probably believable, their shares will be worth half what they are now if we go down. What's sad is, they probably won't be 'in unison' for the good of the club rather for their own financial gain. They will be prepared to bury the hatchet so as not to lose a few bob.
Maybe going down (something which is becoming more likely - something which, at the start of the season I never considered a possibility at the start of the season and midway through the season) would be the best for the club. Get rid of the deadwood, at all levels, and rebuild - just so long as we can get a new owner in who can shoulder the debt that we have until we can rebuild.
Now I will sit back and wait for this board to turn into the mindless, insane, incoherent rubbish contributed to by the Blue Few and that plonker that poses as any number of WWE wrestlers.
This story is probably believable, their shares will be worth half what they are now if we go down. What's sad is, they probably won't be 'in unison' for the good of the club rather for their own financial gain. They will be prepared to bury the hatchet so as not to lose a few bob.
Maybe going down (something which is becoming more likely - something which, at the start of the season I never considered a possibility at the start of the season and midway through the season) would be the best for the club. Get rid of the deadwood, at all levels, and rebuild - just so long as we can get a new owner in who can shoulder the debt that we have until we can rebuild.
Now I will sit back and wait for this board to turn into the mindless, insane, incoherent rubbish contributed to by the Blue Few and that plonker that poses as any number of WWE wrestlers.
Posted by: skateater, portsmouth on 8:20am Wed 19 Mar 08
more likely they,re panicking that their shares will be worth sweet fa if the club goes into admin.On a brighter note i work in an office full of skates and it was a picture to see their faces yesterday as they couldn,t get through to ticketmaster for their wembley tickets (they opbviously know they won,t be in the final)
more likely they,re panicking that their shares will be worth sweet fa if the club goes into admin.On a brighter note i work in an office full of skates and it was a picture to see their faces yesterday as they couldn,t get through to ticketmaster for their wembley tickets (they opbviously know they won,t be in the final)
Why not just close down the club and start again. I can't be the only one sick to death of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc etc. They are only interested in feathering their own nest or boosting their flacid egos.
Because of these people and the pathetic work-shy players we've had, our club is dying. The last people you want to revive the club is the ones who got it into the mess in the first place.
Why not just close down the club and start again. I can't be the only one sick to death of Lowe, Wilde, Crouch etc etc. They are only interested in feathering their own nest or boosting their flacid egos.
Because of these people and the pathetic work-shy players we've had, our club is dying. The last people you want to revive the club is the ones who got it into the mess in the first place.
Posted by: ITCHEN BOYZ, SOUTHAMPTON on 8:25am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]red n white[/bold] wrote:
Oh great so the prat thats put us in this position in the first place now wants to come back with the other prat who failed to invest and resinged,So possibly league 1 next season and with dumb and dumber in charge and control things are looking up, thankfully i ripped up my season ticket ren ewal form last night after they are rewarding the loyal fans for going to preston and sheffeld, lovely what about the season ticket holders who have gone to four away games and shelled out lots of hard working wages to pay for it,oh yeah we dont get free tickets for our loyalty.[/quote] Well said.. im not sure about renewing my ticket either although i still wish to support my team...but they seem to have the loyalty all wrong..i got my son a season ticket at christmas so he can sit next to me and although it was only a half season ticket i was quite pleased with the cost as it was £45...how in the do they think im going to pay nearly £190 for a full season i might as well wait until christmas again and spend only a quarter...comon saints get your proirities right ive had a season ticket for 10 years and feel a little let down on my finacial support of the club
red n white wrote:
Oh great so the prat thats put us in this position in the first place now wants to come back with the other prat who failed to invest and resinged,So possibly league 1 next season and with dumb and dumber in charge and control things are looking up, thankfully i ripped up my season ticket ren ewal form last night after they are rewarding the loyal fans for going to preston and sheffeld, lovely what about the season ticket holders who have gone to four away games and shelled out lots of hard working wages to pay for it,oh yeah we dont get free tickets for our loyalty.
Well said.. im not sure about renewing my ticket either although i still wish to support my team...but they seem to have the loyalty all wrong..i got my son a season ticket at christmas so he can sit next to me and although it was only a half season ticket i was quite pleased with the cost as it was £45...how in the do they think im going to pay nearly £190 for a full season i might as well wait until christmas again and spend only a quarter...comon saints get your proirities right ive had a season ticket for 10 years and feel a little let down on my finacial support of the club
Just when we thought it couldn't possibly get any worse.
Will someone please administer the lethal injection and put our suffering club out of it's misery.
It's all becoming very embarrassing.
Just when we thought it couldn't possibly get any worse.
Will someone please administer the lethal injection and put our suffering club out of it's misery.
It's all becoming very embarrassing.
Lowe done well for 8 years when he then lost the plot/fan base, Wilde came in and ruined any chance of getting back into the premier league in the short term. Neither of these two are going to unite the fans or bring investment. Lowe MIGHT be able to get us running, business wise, on an even keel but will we, the fans, give him the chance? I doubt it. FWIW I think this is another BS story from the Echo, the latest made up rubbish in a long line of made up rubbish.
Lowe done well for 8 years when he then lost the plot/fan base, Wilde came in and ruined any chance of getting back into the premier league in the short term. Neither of these two are going to unite the fans or bring investment. Lowe MIGHT be able to get us running, business wise, on an even keel but will we, the fans, give him the chance? I doubt it. FWIW I think this is another BS story from the Echo, the latest made up rubbish in a long line of made up rubbish.
Posted by: Weston Saint, Weston on 9:50am Wed 19 Mar 08
Please treat this report with some caution.
It has been known for some time that a dialogue has taken place between Wilde and Lowe via Cowan. Crouch was aware of this as well. So have many other interested parties, even those sniffing around with alleged bid interest.
Who leaked the story? Could it have been the Lowe/Wilde camp to test the water? Could it have been the Crouch camp to force their hand when they are still not in agreement as to how to proceed to make it look like they do not have a clue? Could it have been an interested "bid" party" to stir the pot?
We live in a world of spin and those linked to SFC are Past Masters of the same.
It may happen. It is certainly possible. If it does I hope it is purely to stabilise the club and make it fit for a decent takeover next season. The priority, however, is remaining in this division.
Whatever happens it needs a strong independent PLC Chairman. I am not sure we will get that with the present or alleged new alliance.
Time will tell but it is running out fast.
Please treat this report with some caution.
It has been known for some time that a dialogue has taken place between Wilde and Lowe via Cowan. Crouch was aware of this as well. So have many other interested parties, even those sniffing around with alleged bid interest.
Who leaked the story? Could it have been the Lowe/Wilde camp to test the water? Could it have been the Crouch camp to force their hand when they are still not in agreement as to how to proceed to make it look like they do not have a clue? Could it have been an interested "bid" party" to stir the pot?
We live in a world of spin and those linked to SFC are Past Masters of the same.
It may happen. It is certainly possible. If it does I hope it is purely to stabilise the club and make it fit for a decent takeover next season. The priority, however, is remaining in this division.
Whatever happens it needs a strong independent PLC Chairman. I am not sure we will get that with the present or alleged new alliance.
Posted by: Andy P, Bitterne on 10:09am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Wazza[/bold] wrote:
This story is probably believable, their shares will be worth half what they are now if we go down. What's sad is, they probably won't be 'in unison' for the good of the club rather for their own financial gain. They will be prepared to bury the hatchet so as not to lose a few bob. Maybe going down (something which is becoming more likely - something which, at the start of the season I never considered a possibility at the start of the season and midway through the season) would be the best for the club. Get rid of the deadwood, at all levels, and rebuild - just so long as we can get a new owner in who can shoulder the debt that we have until we can rebuild. Now I will sit back and wait for this board to turn into the mindless, insane, incoherent rubbish contributed to by the Blue Few and that plonker that poses as any number of WWE wrestlers.[/quote] Nothing more needs to be said, Wazza is spot on.
Lets go into administration, that way those who have dragged this club right down will end up with what they deserve, NOTHING!
Wazza wrote:
This story is probably believable, their shares will be worth half what they are now if we go down. What's sad is, they probably won't be 'in unison' for the good of the club rather for their own financial gain. They will be prepared to bury the hatchet so as not to lose a few bob. Maybe going down (something which is becoming more likely - something which, at the start of the season I never considered a possibility at the start of the season and midway through the season) would be the best for the club. Get rid of the deadwood, at all levels, and rebuild - just so long as we can get a new owner in who can shoulder the debt that we have until we can rebuild. Now I will sit back and wait for this board to turn into the mindless, insane, incoherent rubbish contributed to by the Blue Few and that plonker that poses as any number of WWE wrestlers.
Nothing more needs to be said, Wazza is spot on.
Lets go into administration, that way those who have dragged this club right down will end up with what they deserve, NOTHING!
Posted by: Aussie Saint, Wiltshire on 10:11am Wed 19 Mar 08
The best news I have heard in a long time. I am a die hard Saints fan and unfortunately it has been a board that listens to the fans that have got us in this mess, current and past. Fans DO NOT know how to run a company, that is why you have a board of directors who know and are in better position to made these financial decisions. We will be in a much better position with CREDIBLE and experienced directors at the helm than the WEAK we have in place at the moment. And to think that the fans wanted representation on the board, what a joke. Bring back Lowe and Wilde and at least we will have some sort of professional leadership in getting a DECENT and REAL backer to buy into this club. Wake up Saints fans and think premiership and not Division 1. Surely that is our long term strategy. This current board couldn't even afford to keep Christian Dailly on 5000 pounds a week, and did we get any replacements for the jewels that were sold last year. Bring back some stability and direction in the club, Lowe and Wilde, and lets move upward and not downward. We are a big club so lets bring back a BIG and knowledgable board.
The best news I have heard in a long time. I am a die hard Saints fan and unfortunately it has been a board that listens to the fans that have got us in this mess, current and past. Fans DO NOT know how to run a company, that is why you have a board of directors who know and are in better position to made these financial decisions. We will be in a much better position with CREDIBLE and experienced directors at the helm than the WEAK we have in place at the moment. And to think that the fans wanted representation on the board, what a joke. Bring back Lowe and Wilde and at least we will have some sort of professional leadership in getting a DECENT and REAL backer to buy into this club. Wake up Saints fans and think premiership and not Division 1. Surely that is our long term strategy. This current board couldn't even afford to keep Christian Dailly on 5000 pounds a week, and did we get any replacements for the jewels that were sold last year. Bring back some stability and direction in the club, Lowe and Wilde, and lets move upward and not downward. We are a big club so lets bring back a BIG and knowledgable board.
Posted by: George, Southampton on 10:15am Wed 19 Mar 08
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers!
The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step.
What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!!
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers!
The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step.
What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!!
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!![/quote] Thankyou. I couldn't agree with you more.
George wrote:
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!!
Posted by: Concerned fan, Southampton on 10:39am Wed 19 Mar 08
Maybe they can have their meetings at St. Mary's using their own catering instead of hosting one a month at the De Vere and spending £4k each time on food and drink like one member of the current 'leadership' team!
It just needs everyone to sort the mess out really and for many to realise the gravy train is headed towards a hole that it could disappear down!
Maybe they can have their meetings at St. Mary's using their own catering instead of hosting one a month at the De Vere and spending £4k each time on food and drink like one member of the current 'leadership' team!
It just needs everyone to sort the mess out really and for many to realise the gravy train is headed towards a hole that it could disappear down!
Posted by: Reality, Terra firma on 10:44am Wed 19 Mar 08
We all have an opinion on this matter, but do we really know the full truth. If Crouch is fronting a genuine initiative to bring in serious new invstment, then I think that we stick with him. If he cannot deliver that any option is better than the current slow decline into administration. I personally do not trust Wilde or Lowe, as they are both clearly only interested in protecting their current investment. Maybe I am niave, but I keep hoping that there is a genuine Saints supporter out there who can bring in the necessary funding. Whatever, we need to move quickly, as we are running out of time. There is a very concerning "whisper" going around, that sugests that the board are waiting to assess the real danger of relegation. If we appear doomed to go down, then administration seems a real option for them. I passionately share the view of a previous post that says that we should be thinking as a potential premier league team (again) and not settle for the real prospect of Div One status. I remain Saints Forever.
We all have an opinion on this matter, but do we really know the full truth. If Crouch is fronting a genuine initiative to bring in serious new invstment, then I think that we stick with him. If he cannot deliver that any option is better than the current slow decline into administration. I personally do not trust Wilde or Lowe, as they are both clearly only interested in protecting their current investment. Maybe I am niave, but I keep hoping that there is a genuine Saints supporter out there who can bring in the necessary funding. Whatever, we need to move quickly, as we are running out of time. There is a very concerning "whisper" going around, that sugests that the board are waiting to assess the real danger of relegation. If we appear doomed to go down, then administration seems a real option for them. I passionately share the view of a previous post that says that we should be thinking as a potential premier league team (again) and not settle for the real prospect of Div One status. I remain Saints Forever.
Posted by: Elizabeth Fields, Kingsland on 11:03am Wed 19 Mar 08
I think Rupert Lowe should have taken on board the mistakes he made before and his priority should be to rectify them. If this means working with Michael Wilde so be it - they cannot make anything worse. Having had season tickets since 1976 it is soul destroying to see Saints struggling. Bring back Strachan and get rid of Leon Crouch.
I think Rupert Lowe should have taken on board the mistakes he made before and his priority should be to rectify them. If this means working with Michael Wilde so be it - they cannot make anything worse. Having had season tickets since 1976 it is soul destroying to see Saints struggling. Bring back Strachan and get rid of Leon Crouch.
Posted by: no more talk of relegation..., southampton on 11:06am Wed 19 Mar 08
at least we were financially stable when rupert was at the helm....
ok so we didnt push on from the 2003 cup final....but at least he did invest in the side...his managers spent over £30 million during his reign as chairman.....most of this was recouped from sales of players such as Beattie etc....but while he was in charge we were in a much healthier position than we are now...
maybe if he came back as an investor it could work??
at least we were financially stable when rupert was at the helm....
ok so we didnt push on from the 2003 cup final....but at least he did invest in the side...his managers spent over £30 million during his reign as chairman.....most of this was recouped from sales of players such as Beattie etc....but while he was in charge we were in a much healthier position than we are now...
maybe if he came back as an investor it could work??
"Rupert ruined it - so Rupert should fix it. If he makes a few bob on the way that's his prerogative as (possibly) Chairman."
The then manager and players took Saints down.
The club was financially stable until Lowe was removed.
"Rupert ruined it - so Rupert should fix it. If he makes a few bob on the way that's his prerogative as (possibly) Chairman."
The then manager and players took Saints down.
The club was financially stable until Lowe was removed.
Posted by: princey boy, Bitterne on 11:15am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Aussie Saint[/bold] wrote:
The best news I have heard in a long time. I am a die hard Saints fan and unfortunately it has been a board that listens to the fans that have got us in this mess, current and past. Fans DO NOT know how to run a company, that is why you have a board of directors who know and are in better position to made these financial decisions. We will be in a much better position with CREDIBLE and experienced directors at the helm than the WEAK we have in place at the moment. And to think that the fans wanted representation on the board, what a joke. Bring back Lowe and Wilde and at least we will have some sort of professional leadership in getting a DECENT and REAL backer to buy into this club. Wake up Saints fans and think premiership and not Division 1. Surely that is our long term strategy. This current board couldn't even afford to keep Christian Dailly on 5000 pounds a week, and did we get any replacements for the jewels that were sold last year. Bring back some stability and direction in the club, Lowe and Wilde, and lets move upward and not downward. We are a big club so lets bring back a BIG and knowledgable board.[/quote] Proffesional leadership,Dumb and Dumber coming together, not for the sake of SFC, but because they fear they will lose a considerable amount of money.
I hope the club goes down and into ADMINISTRATION.
Greedy IDIOTS!
Aussie Saint wrote:
The best news I have heard in a long time. I am a die hard Saints fan and unfortunately it has been a board that listens to the fans that have got us in this mess, current and past. Fans DO NOT know how to run a company, that is why you have a board of directors who know and are in better position to made these financial decisions. We will be in a much better position with CREDIBLE and experienced directors at the helm than the WEAK we have in place at the moment. And to think that the fans wanted representation on the board, what a joke. Bring back Lowe and Wilde and at least we will have some sort of professional leadership in getting a DECENT and REAL backer to buy into this club. Wake up Saints fans and think premiership and not Division 1. Surely that is our long term strategy. This current board couldn't even afford to keep Christian Dailly on 5000 pounds a week, and did we get any replacements for the jewels that were sold last year. Bring back some stability and direction in the club, Lowe and Wilde, and lets move upward and not downward. We are a big club so lets bring back a BIG and knowledgable board.
Proffesional leadership,Dumb and Dumber coming together, not for the sake of SFC, but because they fear they will lose a considerable amount of money.
I hope the club goes down and into ADMINISTRATION.
Greedy IDIOTS!
"Proffesional leadership,Dumb and Dumber coming together, not for the sake of SFC, but because they fear they will lose a considerable amount of money.
I hope the club goes down and into ADMINISTRATION.
Greedy IDIOTS!"
So, what money have you risked in a business venture?
Anyone in business, including football, is in it to make money in the long term except for one or two philanthropists (try saying that after drinking alcohol!).
You don't invest money to lose it!!
"Proffesional leadership,Dumb and Dumber coming together, not for the sake of SFC, but because they fear they will lose a considerable amount of money.
I hope the club goes down and into ADMINISTRATION.
Greedy IDIOTS!"
So, what money have you risked in a business venture?
Anyone in business, including football, is in it to make money in the long term except for one or two philanthropists (try saying that after drinking alcohol!).
You don't invest money to lose it!!
Posted by: SFC4EVA, soton on 11:24am Wed 19 Mar 08
I have to agree with everyone that is saying this might not be a bad thing! I whink it would be a very good thing. I lots of heated debates with friends and on this site I had the opinion that if Lowe was removed it would result in a downward spiral for the club....Hate to say it but.....I told you so....the new board(s) haven't delivered anything financially as promised. I think Lowe could get us back on an even keel financially.
I have to agree with everyone that is saying this might not be a bad thing! I whink it would be a very good thing. I lots of heated debates with friends and on this site I had the opinion that if Lowe was removed it would result in a downward spiral for the club....Hate to say it but.....I told you so....the new board(s) haven't delivered anything financially as promised. I think Lowe could get us back on an even keel financially.
Posted by: Penny a share anyone!, Bitterne on 11:38am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
"Rupert ruined it - so Rupert should fix it. If he makes a few bob on the way that's his prerogative as (possibly) Chairman." The then manager and players took Saints down. The club was financially stable until Lowe was removed.[/quote] The club was financially stable playing in the Premiership.
If you do not buy the quality needed to maintain that stability of playing in the Premiership, this is the end result.
When Saints were fighting for their Premiership lives, Mr Lowe gave £90,000 as a means of buying players.
Not very clever was it.
Maybe thats why Mr Lowe is a farmer, who clearly has no business sense whatsoever.
Well done Rupert.
George wrote:
"Rupert ruined it - so Rupert should fix it. If he makes a few bob on the way that's his prerogative as (possibly) Chairman." The then manager and players took Saints down. The club was financially stable until Lowe was removed.
The club was financially stable playing in the Premiership.
If you do not buy the quality needed to maintain that stability of playing in the Premiership, this is the end result.
When Saints were fighting for their Premiership lives, Mr Lowe gave £90,000 as a means of buying players.
Not very clever was it.
Maybe thats why Mr Lowe is a farmer, who clearly has no business sense whatsoever.
Well done Rupert.
Posted by: Mr myagi, Tibet on 11:45am Wed 19 Mar 08
Are u people crazy. Lowe was responsible for the appointment of grey, wiggley and woodwood. His ego means he will always interfere with what he knows nothing about (football).He ripped the heart out of the club with his reverse takeover .adminirtration woud be a better option...then we can start again
Are u people crazy. Lowe was responsible for the appointment of grey, wiggley and woodwood. His ego means he will always interfere with what he knows nothing about (football).He ripped the heart out of the club with his reverse takeover .adminirtration woud be a better option...then we can start again
How thick are some fans?
Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete.
It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren't relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies.
How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we've lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money.
Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn't have a clue where to start with us in this position.
[bold]LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.[/bold]
How thick are some fans?
Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete.
It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren't relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies.
How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we've lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money.
Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn't have a clue where to start with us in this position.
LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.
Posted by: princey boy, Bitterne on 11:54am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]SFC4EVA[/bold] wrote:
I have to agree with everyone that is saying this might not be a bad thing! I whink it would be a very good thing. I lots of heated debates with friends and on this site I had the opinion that if Lowe was removed it would result in a downward spiral for the club....Hate to say it but.....I told you so....the new board(s) haven't delivered anything financially as promised. I think Lowe could get us back on an even keel financially.[/quote] No if Lowe was not removed, instead of playing League 1 football next season, we would probably be playing League 3 football next season.
As for being on an even keel as far as finance is concerned, this could have been achieved months ago, but one sad individual decided to throw his toys out of his pram, thus denying any potential takeover.
Its about time this great club had proper people with PROPER money who actually know a bit about football.
All we have now is three individuals who are basicly worth tupence.
SFC4EVA wrote:
I have to agree with everyone that is saying this might not be a bad thing! I whink it would be a very good thing. I lots of heated debates with friends and on this site I had the opinion that if Lowe was removed it would result in a downward spiral for the club....Hate to say it but.....I told you so....the new board(s) haven't delivered anything financially as promised. I think Lowe could get us back on an even keel financially.
No if Lowe was not removed, instead of playing League 1 football next season, we would probably be playing League 3 football next season.
As for being on an even keel as far as finance is concerned, this could have been achieved months ago, but one sad individual decided to throw his toys out of his pram, thus denying any potential takeover.
Its about time this great club had proper people with PROPER money who actually know a bit about football.
All we have now is three individuals who are basicly worth tupence.
Posted by: Penny a share anyone!, Bitterne on 12:00pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Sniper[/bold] wrote:
How thick are some fans? Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete. It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren't relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies. How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we've lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money. Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn't have a clue where to start with us in this position. [bold]LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.[/bold] [/quote] Still at least Lowes shares will be worth more than the penny a share he gave to all those poor old people that he was caring for.
Shame on you Rupert Lowe.
Sniper wrote:
How thick are some fans? Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete. It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren't relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies. How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we've lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money. Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn't have a clue where to start with us in this position. LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.
Still at least Lowes shares will be worth more than the penny a share he gave to all those poor old people that he was caring for.
Shame on you Rupert Lowe.
Posted by: Realist Richard, Lee on the Solent on 12:01pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!![/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] Agree whole heartedly. Too much attention has been given to the 'class warriors' scribblings on this web site. So what, if Rupert Lowe is a toff, at least he has a business brain which must be more than some of the posters here have.
George wrote:
Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!!
Agree whole heartedly. Too much attention has been given to the 'class warriors' scribblings on this web site. So what, if Rupert Lowe is a toff, at least he has a business brain which must be more than some of the posters here have.
Posted by: Sad Old Saint, Southampton on 12:07pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Well the term 'desperate' comes to mind both on and off the pitch. If you have 2 x boards and one is not involved in running the club but still has influence via shareholding then you invite trouble, is there any other club in the land that has this confused scenario, It's the major reason why NO INVESTMENT has appeared, you do not have to be a Finance expert to get your head around that one!.
If Lowe/Wilde can bring serious investment before August then ok, but jsut talking a good job is no longer exceptable. The other option if they stay up and go into Admin is that it will clear out the deadwood and losers and maybe get some real cash in the bank, a minus 15 point start may be a smal price to pay given the appalling record of the Board members over the past 4-5 years.....Only time will tell who really has the future prospects of the Club at heart.
NB: [bold]Nigel P. needs to be given time and hopefully clear out the 'Donkeys' before the start of next season[/bold] !
Well the term 'desperate' comes to mind both on and off the pitch. If you have 2 x boards and one is not involved in running the club but still has influence via shareholding then you invite trouble, is there any other club in the land that has this confused scenario, It's the major reason why NO INVESTMENT has appeared, you do not have to be a Finance expert to get your head around that one!.
If Lowe/Wilde can bring serious investment before August then ok, but jsut talking a good job is no longer exceptable. The other option if they stay up and go into Admin is that it will clear out the deadwood and losers and maybe get some real cash in the bank, a minus 15 point start may be a smal price to pay given the appalling record of the Board members over the past 4-5 years.....Only time will tell who really has the future prospects of the Club at heart.
NB: Nigel P. needs to be given time and hopefully clear out the 'Donkeys' before the start of next season !
Posted by: princey boy, Bitterne on 12:15pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Realist Richard[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!![/quote] [bold]bold[/bold] Agree whole heartedly. Too much attention has been given to the 'class warriors' scribblings on this web site. So what, if Rupert Lowe is a toff, at least he has a business brain which must be more than some of the posters here have. [/quote] I did not realise getting up at 4am and milking the cows, like farmers do, made you a toff.
Must try that one.
Class warriors,ive heard it all now, the lowe luvvies are certainly in ggod form today.
Do keep it up, my sides are splitting.
Realist Richard wrote:
George wrote: Judging by the comments - no wonder Saints supporters were voted the most pessimistic in the football league! What a load of whingers! The Lowe/Wilde axis is the first sensible thing to happen in ages - this, plus the appoinment of Pearson is a very positive step. What amazes me is that people comment without putting forward their alternative ideas for the future of the club!!
Agree whole heartedly. Too much attention has been given to the 'class warriors' scribblings on this web site. So what, if Rupert Lowe is a toff, at least he has a business brain which must be more than some of the posters here have.
I did not realise getting up at 4am and milking the cows, like farmers do, made you a toff.
Must try that one.
Class warriors,ive heard it all now, the lowe luvvies are certainly in ggod form today.
Do keep it up, my sides are splitting.
Posted by: David Crook, Yorkshire on 12:16pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]TFLS[/bold] wrote:
WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!![/quote] I agree what you say TFLS,because The club this season has been run by a bunch of amateurs,thats why we are in the position we are in,near relegation.
Bring Back The PROFESSIONALS
David Crook
TFLS wrote:
WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!!
I agree what you say TFLS,because The club this season has been run by a bunch of amateurs,thats why we are in the position we are in,near relegation.
Bring Back The PROFESSIONALS
David Crook
Posted by: Former Milton Road Inmate, Southampton on 12:22pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The last postee was about right, its been going sour since "wee Gordon Strachan" wanted dosh from Lowe to spend on players to take us from 8th in Premier League an forward, if Lowe was not going to invest then, why should we think he and Wilde can do any better now?.
For any investor the ever incresing debt is a problem, not least because the St Mary's stadium has still not been paid for, so it's like thinking your buying a supermarket and ending up with something that has the prospects of a corner shop!. If the Ground is an asset then use that to raise funds, you won't get much for the current playing staff?. If there is no investment then are we are looking at becoming the next Rotherham, Leeds, Accrington Stanley or Aldershot?, and they will be probaly be back in the FL next season, only there going upwards?
Hmmm time to draw a line in the sand maybe otherwise Aldershot could be on the fixture list within a season, who's next Eastleigh and Havant & Waterlloville.
[bold]Time to act Msrrs Lowe and Wilde put your (somebodys cash) where your M**th is[/bold] !
The last postee was about right, its been going sour since "wee Gordon Strachan" wanted dosh from Lowe to spend on players to take us from 8th in Premier League an forward, if Lowe was not going to invest then, why should we think he and Wilde can do any better now?.
For any investor the ever incresing debt is a problem, not least because the St Mary's stadium has still not been paid for, so it's like thinking your buying a supermarket and ending up with something that has the prospects of a corner shop!. If the Ground is an asset then use that to raise funds, you won't get much for the current playing staff?. If there is no investment then are we are looking at becoming the next Rotherham, Leeds, Accrington Stanley or Aldershot?, and they will be probaly be back in the FL next season, only there going upwards?
Hmmm time to draw a line in the sand maybe otherwise Aldershot could be on the fixture list within a season, who's next Eastleigh and Havant & Waterlloville.
Time to act Msrrs Lowe and Wilde put your (somebodys cash) where your M**th is !
Posted by: princey boy, Bitterne on 12:26pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]David Crook[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]TFLS[/bold] wrote: WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!![/quote] I agree what you say TFLS,because The club this season has been run by a bunch of amateurs,thats why we are in the position we are in,near relegation. Bring Back The PROFESSIONALS David Crook[/quote] Yes and bring back the proffesionals who actually achieved relegation, from the richest league on planet earth.
That makes good sense.
David Crook wrote:
TFLS wrote: WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!!
I agree what you say TFLS,because The club this season has been run by a bunch of amateurs,thats why we are in the position we are in,near relegation. Bring Back The PROFESSIONALS David Crook
Yes and bring back the proffesionals who actually achieved relegation, from the richest league on planet earth.
That makes good sense.
princey boy
However you look at it, Lowe/Cowans ran a financially stable football club.
Rednapp and the players got us relegated.
The post Lowe regime has got us nearly to administration.
Pearson will see us ok with the team - he will succeed.
Lowe will inject belief back into the staff.
Combine the two and we will be playing Championship football next season!
Or do you have a better plan?
princey boy
However you look at it, Lowe/Cowans ran a financially stable football club.
Rednapp and the players got us relegated.
The post Lowe regime has got us nearly to administration.
Pearson will see us ok with the team - he will succeed.
Lowe will inject belief back into the staff.
Combine the two and we will be playing Championship football next season!
Posted by: StPete, Heaven on 12:48pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]TFLS[/bold] wrote:
WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!![/quote] It's the news we've all been waiting for mate! Great news all round!!!
TFLS wrote:
WOW! Brilliant news! The popular ex-chairman Rupert Lowe will once again run Saints professionally. This is the moment the real fans have been waiting for... Party time!!!
It's the news we've all been waiting for mate! Great news all round!!!
I am sorry, but people have this blinkered vision of what Lowe was like - yes he was in charge when the new stadium was built, but was he not in charge when our decline started, was he not in charge, when we all wanted him out, and he instructed the stewards to ensure that no "anti" Lowe flags were allowed into the ground, was he not the man in charge when everybody was singing hang him from the Itchen Bridge, and again he sent in the stewards to stop those who sang purely on the basis that others who did not sing may be upset, again was Lowe not in charge when all the spin started, he then came over as the biggest turd in the Solent, telling everybody that he was "Mr Saint", and we all must jump to his tune. So far i have not renewed by 2 season tickets, i proberly will do, but what happens if Lowe comes back, can i get a refund - like hell i can. lets go down a division, recoup, let the money men loose a fortune on share values, find a father christmas with deep pockets, and come back up next season as champions, and in a few years all this will be forgotton, unless the turd man is back,we will still go down, but he will come out as the saviour to got us back up again - if Lowe comes back i will go down to Bournemnouth to watch my football, rather that see his smug face in the program every other week, telling us what he wants us to read. Do you really think he would allow our new manager to tell things how they are, and the team are crap, i dont think so
I am sorry, but people have this blinkered vision of what Lowe was like - yes he was in charge when the new stadium was built, but was he not in charge when our decline started, was he not in charge, when we all wanted him out, and he instructed the stewards to ensure that no "anti" Lowe flags were allowed into the ground, was he not the man in charge when everybody was singing hang him from the Itchen Bridge, and again he sent in the stewards to stop those who sang purely on the basis that others who did not sing may be upset, again was Lowe not in charge when all the spin started, he then came over as the biggest turd in the Solent, telling everybody that he was "Mr Saint", and we all must jump to his tune. So far i have not renewed by 2 season tickets, i proberly will do, but what happens if Lowe comes back, can i get a refund - like hell i can. lets go down a division, recoup, let the money men loose a fortune on share values, find a father christmas with deep pockets, and come back up next season as champions, and in a few years all this will be forgotton, unless the turd man is back,we will still go down, but he will come out as the saviour to got us back up again - if Lowe comes back i will go down to Bournemnouth to watch my football, rather that see his smug face in the program every other week, telling us what he wants us to read. Do you really think he would allow our new manager to tell things how they are, and the team are crap, i dont think so
Posted by: TFLS, The South Coast Riviera on 12:53pm Wed 19 Mar 08
It's the news we've all been waiting for mate! Great news all round!!!
Scooby will be overjoyed and the fringe will be made to eat their words...
I wonder if the messiah will return?
It's the news we've all been waiting for mate! Great news all round!!!
Scooby will be overjoyed and the fringe will be made to eat their words...
[quote][bold]KM[/bold] wrote:
I am sorry, but people have this blinkered vision of what Lowe was like - yes he was in charge when the new stadium was built, but was he not in charge when our decline started, was he not in charge, when we all wanted him out, and he instructed the stewards to ensure that no "anti" Lowe flags were allowed into the ground, was he not the man in charge when everybody was singing hang him from the Itchen Bridge, and again he sent in the stewards to stop those who sang purely on the basis that others who did not sing may be upset, again was Lowe not in charge when all the spin started, he then came over as the biggest turd in the Solent, telling everybody that he was "Mr Saint", and we all must jump to his tune. So far i have not renewed by 2 season tickets, i proberly will do, but what happens if Lowe comes back, can i get a refund - like hell i can. lets go down a division, recoup, let the money men loose a fortune on share values, find a father christmas with deep pockets, and come back up next season as champions, and in a few years all this will be forgotton, unless the turd man is back,we will still go down, but he will come out as the saviour to got us back up again - if Lowe comes back i will go down to Bournemnouth to watch my football, rather that see his smug face in the program every other week, telling us what he wants us to read. Do you really think he would allow our new manager to tell things how they are, and the team are crap, i dont think so[/quote] Not all of us wanted him out KM. Some of us saw through the false promises of who would replace him.
I hope you enjoy going to watch Bournemouth play
KM wrote:
I am sorry, but people have this blinkered vision of what Lowe was like - yes he was in charge when the new stadium was built, but was he not in charge when our decline started, was he not in charge, when we all wanted him out, and he instructed the stewards to ensure that no "anti" Lowe flags were allowed into the ground, was he not the man in charge when everybody was singing hang him from the Itchen Bridge, and again he sent in the stewards to stop those who sang purely on the basis that others who did not sing may be upset, again was Lowe not in charge when all the spin started, he then came over as the biggest turd in the Solent, telling everybody that he was "Mr Saint", and we all must jump to his tune. So far i have not renewed by 2 season tickets, i proberly will do, but what happens if Lowe comes back, can i get a refund - like hell i can. lets go down a division, recoup, let the money men loose a fortune on share values, find a father christmas with deep pockets, and come back up next season as champions, and in a few years all this will be forgotton, unless the turd man is back,we will still go down, but he will come out as the saviour to got us back up again - if Lowe comes back i will go down to Bournemnouth to watch my football, rather that see his smug face in the program every other week, telling us what he wants us to read. Do you really think he would allow our new manager to tell things how they are, and the team are crap, i dont think so
Not all of us wanted him out KM. Some of us saw through the false promises of who would replace him.
Posted by: dave, some where on 1:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Are you people stupid or something who want that p.... lowe back ? That man has nearly killed that great football club of are's and you would welcome him back with open arm's and think he will save us. R u all still taking your tablets ? Ive been watching saints for 25 years and can promise you all if king rupert comes back i shall never be stepping foot in st marys again while he is there.
Are you people stupid or something who want that p.... lowe back ? That man has nearly killed that great football club of are's and you would welcome him back with open arm's and think he will save us. R u all still taking your tablets ? Ive been watching saints for 25 years and can promise you all if king rupert comes back i shall never be stepping foot in st marys again while he is there.
Posted by: Jude, london SAINT on 1:15pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes.
....and I think it is just about too.
Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes.
....and I think it is just about too.
Posted by: Desperate, Mansbridge on 1:22pm Wed 19 Mar 08
This might be a short term solution as say what you like about Lowe (and I often have), he is an astute businessman who could resolve some issues.
My concern is once back at the helm will he get too comfortable back there and block potential investors?
This might be a short term solution as say what you like about Lowe (and I often have), he is an astute businessman who could resolve some issues.
My concern is once back at the helm will he get too comfortable back there and block potential investors?
Posted by: Jesus_02, Kingsland on 1:28pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]no more talk of relegation...[/bold] wrote:
at least we were financially stable when rupert was at the helm.... ok so we didnt push on from the 2003 cup final....but at least he did invest in the side...his managers spent over £30 million during his reign as chairman.....most of this was recouped from sales of players such as Beattie etc....but while he was in charge we were in a much healthier position than we are now... maybe if he came back as an investor it could work??[/quote] It is only right that Lowe is at the helm as the goodship St Mary's slowly sinks.
Thanks for being "prudent".
Thanks for replacing good players with bad.
Thanks for ensuring we paid dividends to investors while supporters paid the bill.
Thanks for believing that we could aquire high quality players by investing only in training facilities.
Thanks for taking Saints out of our depth, and just when we needed you swim furiously, you first floated, and then allowed our heads to slip under the water.
Thanks for playing god with our dreams
no more talk of relegation... wrote:
at least we were financially stable when rupert was at the helm.... ok so we didnt push on from the 2003 cup final....but at least he did invest in the side...his managers spent over £30 million during his reign as chairman.....most of this was recouped from sales of players such as Beattie etc....but while he was in charge we were in a much healthier position than we are now... maybe if he came back as an investor it could work??
It is only right that Lowe is at the helm as the goodship St Mary's slowly sinks.
Thanks for being "prudent".
Thanks for replacing good players with bad.
Thanks for ensuring we paid dividends to investors while supporters paid the bill.
Thanks for believing that we could aquire high quality players by investing only in training facilities.
Thanks for taking Saints out of our depth, and just when we needed you swim furiously, you first floated, and then allowed our heads to slip under the water.
Thanks for playing god with our dreams
Posted by: J. Dodd, Chilworth on 1:34pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Hi guys, Jason here. Im reading all of your comments and its interesting that we take your views into consideration. Talks with Rupert have taken place but thats all. I know a lot of you feel aggrieved by this but hes now in a sexual relationship with Roman Abramovic so we may benefit... Lets just not slate the stud straight away,
Hi guys, Jason here. Im reading all of your comments and its interesting that we take your views into consideration. Talks with Rupert have taken place but thats all. I know a lot of you feel aggrieved by this but hes now in a sexual relationship with Roman Abramovic so we may benefit... Lets just not slate the stud straight away,
Posted by: Alan, Eastleigh on 1:34pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mr myagi[/bold] wrote:
Are u people crazy. Lowe was responsible for the appointment of grey, wiggley and woodwood. His ego means he will always interfere with what he knows nothing about (football).He ripped the heart out of the club with his reverse takeover .adminirtration woud be a better option...then we can start again[/quote] A good point illustrating you know even less about football. Actually 10 years at the helm does give him a good insight. Suggest you read Broken Dreams which shows just how hard he worked to clean up the game. His mistake was not investing after the Cup Final. Relegation should not have happened with the players we had at our disposal so that must go down to the team and that manager.
Mr myagi wrote:
Are u people crazy. Lowe was responsible for the appointment of grey, wiggley and woodwood. His ego means he will always interfere with what he knows nothing about (football).He ripped the heart out of the club with his reverse takeover .adminirtration woud be a better option...then we can start again
A good point illustrating you know even less about football. Actually 10 years at the helm does give him a good insight. Suggest you read Broken Dreams which shows just how hard he worked to clean up the game. His mistake was not investing after the Cup Final. Relegation should not have happened with the players we had at our disposal so that must go down to the team and that manager.
Once again, the anti Lowe brigade are letting their prejudices rule their heads!
Clearly they revel in their title as the most pessimistic supporters in the football league!
The tiny minority whose vitriol revved up the anti Lowe lobby clearly have a lot to answer for - the current instability of Saints FC.
Rednapp and the players got us relegated.
The supporters who were against Lowe created the current financial mess by getting him to leave and supporting the board change!
Who do they blame? Not Rednapp, not the players, not themselves - no they blame Lowe for everything!!
Pearson will succeed. Lowe will succeed. We will stay in the Championship for next season!
Once again, the anti Lowe brigade are letting their prejudices rule their heads!
Clearly they revel in their title as the most pessimistic supporters in the football league!
The tiny minority whose vitriol revved up the anti Lowe lobby clearly have a lot to answer for - the current instability of Saints FC.
Rednapp and the players got us relegated.
The supporters who were against Lowe created the current financial mess by getting him to leave and supporting the board change!
Who do they blame? Not Rednapp, not the players, not themselves - no they blame Lowe for everything!!
Pearson will succeed. Lowe will succeed. We will stay in the Championship for next season!
[quote][bold]Jude[/bold] wrote:
Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes. ....and I think it is just about too.[/quote] I hope one day Jude that yourself and the rest of the anti-lowe brigade stop foaming at the mouth, put your blind hatred aside and start to have a balanced viewpoint.
The anti-Lowe brigade are the reason we're in this mess, and I hope they won't try and stand in the clubs way now there's a possible light at the end of the tunnel.
Jude wrote:
Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes. ....and I think it is just about too.
I hope one day Jude that yourself and the rest of the anti-lowe brigade stop foaming at the mouth, put your blind hatred aside and start to have a balanced viewpoint.
The anti-Lowe brigade are the reason we're in this mess, and I hope they won't try and stand in the clubs way now there's a possible light at the end of the tunnel.
Posted by: princey boy, Bitterne on 1:59pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
Once again, the anti Lowe brigade are letting their prejudices rule their heads! Clearly they revel in their title as the most pessimistic supporters in the football league! The tiny minority whose vitriol revved up the anti Lowe lobby clearly have a lot to answer for - the current instability of Saints FC. Rednapp and the players got us relegated. The supporters who were against Lowe created the current financial mess by getting him to leave and supporting the board change! Who do they blame? Not Rednapp, not the players, not themselves - no they blame Lowe for everything!! Pearson will succeed. Lowe will succeed. We will stay in the Championship for next season! [/quote] The tiny minority.
Did not look that tiny when the WHOLE crowd at SMS stood on their feet and demanded Lowe leave.
It worked, thank goodness.
Take it from me, SFC will not be playing championship football next season, l witnessed against Leicster how poor they are, and boy they were bad.
Actually l am now praying we go into administration, at least this way we will flush all the crap and filth that have basicly raped SFC since it become a plc.
George wrote:
Once again, the anti Lowe brigade are letting their prejudices rule their heads! Clearly they revel in their title as the most pessimistic supporters in the football league! The tiny minority whose vitriol revved up the anti Lowe lobby clearly have a lot to answer for - the current instability of Saints FC. Rednapp and the players got us relegated. The supporters who were against Lowe created the current financial mess by getting him to leave and supporting the board change! Who do they blame? Not Rednapp, not the players, not themselves - no they blame Lowe for everything!! Pearson will succeed. Lowe will succeed. We will stay in the Championship for next season!
The tiny minority.
Did not look that tiny when the WHOLE crowd at SMS stood on their feet and demanded Lowe leave.
It worked, thank goodness.
Take it from me, SFC will not be playing championship football next season, l witnessed against Leicster how poor they are, and boy they were bad.
Actually l am now praying we go into administration, at least this way we will flush all the crap and filth that have basicly raped SFC since it become a plc.
Posted by: Egomaniac, Southampton on 2:01pm Wed 19 Mar 08
What a load of rubbish spouted by the anti-Lowe brigade! Don't let facts or history get in the way of your biased judgments!
TFLS, St Pete and George - thank goodness for your sensible and articulate contributions.
Come back Rupert, get the mess created by the current inept Board sorted, and let's get back to the Premier League as soon as possible.
TFLS - come home to 606 soon old buddy!
StPete - what the hell you doing over on this MB for illiterates? Come back to 606 pronto!
What a load of rubbish spouted by the anti-Lowe brigade! Don't let facts or history get in the way of your biased judgments!
TFLS, St Pete and George - thank goodness for your sensible and articulate contributions.
Come back Rupert, get the mess created by the current inept Board sorted, and let's get back to the Premier League as soon as possible.
TFLS - come home to 606 soon old buddy!
StPete - what the hell you doing over on this MB for illiterates? Come back to 606 pronto!
Posted by: David Brown, Lee-on-Solent on 2:02pm Wed 19 Mar 08
GEORGE, we are not an anti Lowe brgade the facts are being stated in a true manner.
Lowe came into the club as a Hockey supporter and admitted having little knowledge about football.
He did not listen to a number of ex players or managers who wished to discuss area's of concern beccause in his eyes he knew it all after a six month period as Chairman.
Believe me we are where we are because of Rupert Lowe and if you dont believe me ask one ex Manager(a Scotsman) who took us to a Cup Final.
GEORGE, we are not an anti Lowe brgade the facts are being stated in a true manner.
Lowe came into the club as a Hockey supporter and admitted having little knowledge about football.
He did not listen to a number of ex players or managers who wished to discuss area's of concern beccause in his eyes he knew it all after a six month period as Chairman.
Believe me we are where we are because of Rupert Lowe and if you dont believe me ask one ex Manager(a Scotsman) who took us to a Cup Final.
Posted by: MJ, Southampton on 2:02pm Wed 19 Mar 08
From what I have been led to believe we have a mountain of debt and it is only a matter of time before we go into administration or worse. If Wilde and Lowe are trying to get back in it must only be to try and prevent their own losses. I think we need board members who will put the club first.
From what I have been led to believe we have a mountain of debt and it is only a matter of time before we go into administration or worse. If Wilde and Lowe are trying to get back in it must only be to try and prevent their own losses. I think we need board members who will put the club first.
Posted by: Penny a share anyone!, Bitterne on 2:04pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]StPete[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jude[/bold] wrote: Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes. ....and I think it is just about too.[/quote] I hope one day Jude that yourself and the rest of the anti-lowe brigade stop foaming at the mouth, put your blind hatred aside and start to have a balanced viewpoint. The anti-Lowe brigade are the reason we're in this mess, and I hope they won't try and stand in the clubs way now there's a possible light at the end of the tunnel.[/quote] Wrong, SFC are where they are now one one very simple reason.
MISMANAGEMENT, thank old Rupert for that.
StPete wrote:
Jude wrote: Only 2 days ago on Yahoo sport SAINTS page I posted a comment about "could it get any worse"....well thanks for this headline, and the answer is yes.....LOWE ON WAY BACK. Is this not the man who run OUR club into the ground, put us in what some £50M debt, sold off all our credible players and pocketed the money via his other company Southampton Leisure Holdings. How many managers did we have in Rupert Lowes time? too many is the answer. Dont forget this is the man who on Danny Wallace's testimonial took 9 months to pay half the money raised. Charged Danny for car parking at the ground but also charged the car driver, charged for stewards when they worked for free. Then he went on to employ a Rugby manager as our Director of Football, the very first appointment of a Director of Football in the premier league, and what did he do for us.....Nothing. Can it get any worse...........Yes. ....and I think it is just about too.
I hope one day Jude that yourself and the rest of the anti-lowe brigade stop foaming at the mouth, put your blind hatred aside and start to have a balanced viewpoint. The anti-Lowe brigade are the reason we're in this mess, and I hope they won't try and stand in the clubs way now there's a possible light at the end of the tunnel.
Wrong, SFC are where they are now one one very simple reason.
MISMANAGEMENT, thank old Rupert for that.
[quote][bold]Sniper[/bold] wrote:
How thick are some fans? Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete. It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren\'t relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies. How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we\'ve lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money. Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn\'t have a clue where to start with us in this position. [bold]LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.[/bold] [/quote] Well siad Sniper - we are in this postition because of Lowe. Two wrongs don't make a right, and these two failed miserably (though I would have liked Wilde to have had more time - he did give GB lot's of transfer money, which was wasted). Why do they bring this up now? We are in the fight of our lives (yet again) and all this will do is add yet another huge distraction at a critical stage of the season. Pearson will never put up with Lowes nonsense, so the revolving door which saw so many managers come and go under lowes "leadership" will no doubt resume. These two have obviously no clue about what is best for the club. If Lowe returns, we'll all watch Pearson do well and move on to a club and chairman that really appreciate what he can do. And all us Saints fans will be left shaking our heads in disbelief yet again. Let's just focus on stopping up, then let the board have their little wars.
COYR - 3 points Saturday please.
Sniper wrote:
How thick are some fans? Lowe had nothing to do with the fact that Sky TV was pumping millions into Saints. That is what made Saints financially stable and the fact that Lowe never gave his managers enough money to really compete. It was Lowe who refused to speculate to accummulate to make sure Saints weren\'t relegated. We got relegated due to players, poor managers and Mr Lowe and his board of cronies. How stupid does that penny-pinching in the last few years of us being in the Prem now look compared to how much money we\'ve lost getting relegated and losing the Sky money. Any idiot could make a club financially stable in the Prem. Lowe wouldn\'t have a clue where to start with us in this position. LOWE AND WILDE ARE ONLY GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED WITLESS THEIR SHARES WILL BE SOON WORTH NOTHING. FACT.
Well siad Sniper - we are in this postition because of Lowe. Two wrongs don't make a right, and these two failed miserably (though I would have liked Wilde to have had more time - he did give GB lot's of transfer money, which was wasted). Why do they bring this up now? We are in the fight of our lives (yet again) and all this will do is add yet another huge distraction at a critical stage of the season. Pearson will never put up with Lowes nonsense, so the revolving door which saw so many managers come and go under lowes "leadership" will no doubt resume. These two have obviously no clue about what is best for the club. If Lowe returns, we'll all watch Pearson do well and move on to a club and chairman that really appreciate what he can do. And all us Saints fans will be left shaking our heads in disbelief yet again. Let's just focus on stopping up, then let the board have their little wars.
COYR - 3 points Saturday please.
Posted by: doom & gloom, SPAIN on 2:11pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Would you idiots think a little.No body unless they are Russians are prepared to lose money for a football team.Why pay thousands a week to players who disobey club rules and do not give a toss whether club goes bust or not.You all talk about loyalty to the club but most of you only spend a couple of hundred a year and consider yourselves financial advisers to the Saints.Watford,W.B.A and Bristol City will get promotion the reward 50million plus.Will they stay up NO do they care NO they are all happy they can have another season in the championship with no financial worries and back up again.The Saints are going down that is for sure and it will be a long long time before they get back in the championship.We have NO assets the stadium is owned by bankers the players are worth exactly nothing,and a manager who is doing his best with NO tools.I feel that he may decide to move on to pastures anew and who can blame him.GOOD LUCK SAINTS.
Would you idiots think a little.No body unless they are Russians are prepared to lose money for a football team.Why pay thousands a week to players who disobey club rules and do not give a toss whether club goes bust or not.You all talk about loyalty to the club but most of you only spend a couple of hundred a year and consider yourselves financial advisers to the Saints.Watford,W.B.A and Bristol City will get promotion the reward 50million plus.Will they stay up NO do they care NO they are all happy they can have another season in the championship with no financial worries and back up again.The Saints are going down that is for sure and it will be a long long time before they get back in the championship.We have NO assets the stadium is owned by bankers the players are worth exactly nothing,and a manager who is doing his best with NO tools.I feel that he may decide to move on to pastures anew and who can blame him.GOOD LUCK SAINTS.
princey boy
You clearly support the antics of the tiny minority who stirred up the hate and used the vitriol to bully people. They did so without a clue as to the outcome.
What an outcome?! Those self same supporters are still ranting and raving and are totally clueless about what to do, having created the mess in the first place!
Enter the Lone Ranger in the shape of Rupert Lowe! He will sort it out - nobody else will!
princey boy
You clearly support the antics of the tiny minority who stirred up the hate and used the vitriol to bully people. They did so without a clue as to the outcome.
What an outcome?! Those self same supporters are still ranting and raving and are totally clueless about what to do, having created the mess in the first place!
Enter the Lone Ranger in the shape of Rupert Lowe! He will sort it out - nobody else will!
Posted by: Richard Realist, Lee on the Solent on 2:22pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]princey boy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote: Once again, the anti Lowe brigade are letting their prejudices rule their heads! Clearly they revel in their title as the most pessimistic supporters in the football league! The tiny minority whose vitriol revved up the anti Lowe lobby clearly have a lot to answer for - the current instability of Saints FC. Rednapp and the players got us relegated. The supporters who were against Lowe created the current financial mess by getting him to leave and supporting the board change! Who do they blame? Not Rednapp, not the players, not themselves - no they blame Lowe for everything!! Pearson will succeed. Lowe will succeed. We will stay in the Championship for next season! [/quote] The tiny minority. Did not look that tiny when the WHOLE crowd at SMS stood on their feet and demanded Lowe leave. It worked, thank goodness. Take it from me, SFC will not be playing championship football next season, l witnessed against Leicster how poor they are, and boy they were bad. Actually l am now praying we go into administration, at least this way we will flush all the crap and filth that have basicly raped SFC since it become a plc. [/quote] You are just so so wrong you bigot. I was there for every match during those protests and the Itchen and Kingsland stands were certainly not with you. You have lost your credibility on this site and your limit is to wish for administration. I don't beleive you even know what that means. The Administrator's fees will make this years wasted money look like petty cash. Think about it.
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