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Saints pair get their first pre-season starts
6:00am Tuesday 22nd July 2008
Comments (56)
By Gordon Simpson »
RUDI Skacel and Jhon Viafara will both make their first pre-season appearances for Saints tonight, despite facing uncertain futures at the club.
Head coach Jan Poortvliet has included both players in his starting line-up for the game at Weymouth.
Skacel, who finished last season on loan at Hertha Berlin, has reportedly been in discussions with Ipswich about a move to Portman Road, although a deal has yet to be concluded.
Viafara's role at Saints this season is also unclear and he has yet to feature for Poortvliet in any of the club's five pre-season friendlies.
The Saints boss said, although some players might not be at the club when the season starts, it was important to look at everyone and keep them fit.
"We have to sell some players, which is good for the club and its finances, but in the meantime we have to go on and work with all the players," he said.
"Everyone is now in training, including Viafara and Skacel, because it is better for them also, if they do go, to have trained and be in good condition.
"You never know when players will move on, but we have to keep them in good condition.
Full story in today's Daily Echo
Your Say YourEcho
gubersaint, says...
6:57am Tue 22 Jul 08
I dont know why Skacel's still around; Viafara is less clear. Didnt have a great season and after Burley left, seemed to go too. If he wants to stay, then I would be very happy to give him another chance; otherwise, lets move on asap and I dont know why he's playing friendlies. They're hardly like opportunities to put him in the shop window. We can get upto £1m for him and further £1m for skacel and invest it a couple of big-lunged fullbacks. Surman struggled against Celtic and was too busy defending (poorly) to get forward and impose himself on the game.
the totton scrutineer, TOTTON says...
7:18am Tue 22 Jul 08
No mention of Andrew Davis anyone know what's happened to him?
skintsaint, Perth, WA says...
7:47am Tue 22 Jul 08
Davies is still recovering from injury
Inside Information, St Mary's says...
7:51am Tue 22 Jul 08
the totton scrutineer wrote:Apparently he's in talks over a £1 Million move to Hull City. We should be getting Hull defender Liam Cooper as part of the deal.
No mention of Andrew Davis anyone know what\'s happened to him?
onwatts, says...
8:32am Tue 22 Jul 08
Inside Information wrote:what a load of b*llocks!
the totton scrutineer wrote: No mention of Andrew Davis anyone know what\\\'s happened to him?Apparently he\'s in talks over a £1 Million move to Hull City. We should be getting Hull defender Liam Cooper as part of the deal.
thats even less than we paid for him!!
Big Al, SW London says...
8:42am Tue 22 Jul 08
Davis is recovering well and will return VERY soon probably as Captain. A great buy who has turned inot a decent player. Shame Skacel is thinking of leaving - the only decent left winger we have (apart from Surman, but only then when he feels like it). Gillet, Holmes and Schidlerlin were GREAT last Friday...
dangerousMike, under the stairs of the gods says...
9:26am Tue 22 Jul 08
Jhon Viafarra said it before, will say it again. The man is a columbian legend! Plus his physical size may be vital defensively from set pieces next season as we look a little short across the squad.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
9:48am Tue 22 Jul 08
dangerousMike wrote:Can't see him fitting into our new style of play though. We are now all about 'pass and move' he can move (although has zero positional sense) but he can't pass to save his life.
Jhon Viafarra said it before, will say it again. The man is a columbian legend! Plus his physical size may be vital defensively from set pieces next season as we look a little short across the squad.
If we are going to be as lightweight as some suggest then we need to keep the ball as much as we can, we can't have Jhon finding the nearest opponent with his passing 9 times out of 10.
His tackling is also not all that good, 10 out of 10 for effort and enthusiasm... 2 out of 10 for timing and accuracy.
Osama Bin Laden, A Cave far far away says...
9:57am Tue 22 Jul 08
dangerousMike wrote:Hes smuggling days are over now, we are just left with him.
Jhon Viafarra said it before, will say it again. The man is a columbian legend! Plus his physical size may be vital defensively from set pieces next season as we look a little short across the squad.
NC Fan for Life, Chandlers Ford says...
10:05am Tue 22 Jul 08
I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich.
If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks.
Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs.
We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.
If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks.
Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs.
We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.
anthony reuberson, ringwood says...
10:08am Tue 22 Jul 08
onwatts wrote:cooper is valued at 750K, not a bad deal if it goes ahead, cooper is a far better player that davies
Inside Information wrote:what a load of b*llocks! thats even less than we paid for him!!the totton scrutineer wrote: No mention of Andrew Davis anyone know what\\\'s happened to him?Apparently he\'s in talks over a £1 Million move to Hull City. We should be getting Hull defender Liam Cooper as part of the deal.
mullingar, says...
10:11am Tue 22 Jul 08
NC Fan for Life wrote:Viafara can go as far as I am concerned.
I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.
His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets!
Great physical presence but we need more than that.
I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all.
The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
ooojamaflip, somewhere over the rainbow says...
10:45am Tue 22 Jul 08
The emphisis with the Dutch guys is on ball retention. No long punts upfield. Win the ball and pass to a team mate. ...So its adios Jhon.
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Winchester says...
10:57am Tue 22 Jul 08
No doubt that Viafara's game would never fit in with the Dutch approach and he's destined to leave. Shame about Safri going though as his passing game would have suited the new set-up but you can't blame him for wanting to take the Arab cash on offer rather than accept Rupert's offer of staying on a drastically reduced salary. Does anyone really think that McGoldrick has got what it takes to be able to lead the line in this division? Can he really get the better of the 6' 4" brick sh1thouse centre halves that most championship teams have? I think not - you need a Kenwyne Jones type so it's down to either Rasiak or John (depending on which one is sold) unless they both go of course in which case we're deep in the brown and smelly stuff.
dangerousMike, apples r great says...
11:28am Tue 22 Jul 08
mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.
NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
Martin Orford, says...
11:41am Tue 22 Jul 08
ooojamaflip wrote:Hadn't we better keep players like Viafara for when that style of play inevitably falls flat on its face in the Championship?
The emphisis with the Dutch guys is on ball retention. No long punts upfield. Win the ball and pass to a team mate. ...So its adios Jhon.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
11:42am Tue 22 Jul 08
dangerousMike wrote:some people read stuff in the papers written by old school managers and recycle it all as their own, informed opinion.
mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
In short, some people talk a lot of sh1te.
dangerousMike, in the bath says...
11:52am Tue 22 Jul 08
Mmmmm wrote:Wow you are so right, i cant form an oppinion based on my watching the game. Must have left my Brain in my other robes (bugger when that happens). Still glad you were paying attention last season when we played against Brazil and Argentina on their flawless surfaces. Dont get me wrong all for the more attractive style that we are being promised just fail to see how you think we can stop the long ball game with no height in the team. But you are SO right in the silkey league that is the CC Championship we have no woories because nobody ever goes route 1 from the start of games. Can you please tell us all which league you have had expierience of managing in as some of us havent had the luxury and don't presume we know everything and so yes we read papers such as the Times (you may have heard of it?) and the independant (bit doubtful on that one) to increase our understanding of a game rather than just assume knowledge of a subject. Still I guess good accedemic practice must have passed you by up there on your pedistal.
dangerousMike wrote:some people read stuff in the papers written by old school managers and recycle it all as their own, informed opinion. In short, some people talk a lot of sh1te.mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
P.s you might want to be careful as it can hurt when you fall from such great heights.
Mmmmm, here, there, everwhere says...
12:03pm Tue 22 Jul 08
dangerousMike wrote:Oh Grief.
Mmmmm wrote:Wow you are so right, i cant form an oppinion based on my watching the game. Must have left my Brain in my other robes (bugger when that happens). Still glad you were paying attention last season when we played against Brazil and Argentina on their flawless surfaces. Dont get me wrong all for the more attractive style that we are being promised just fail to see how you think we can stop the long ball game with no height in the team. But you are SO right in the silkey league that is the CC Championship we have no woories because nobody ever goes route 1 from the start of games. Can you please tell us all which league you have had expierience of managing in as some of us havent had the luxury and don\'t presume we know everything and so yes we read papers such as the Times (you may have heard of it?) and the independant (bit doubtful on that one) to increase our understanding of a game rather than just assume knowledge of a subject. Still I guess good accedemic practice must have passed you by up there on your pedistal. P.s you might want to be careful as it can hurt when you fall from such great heights.dangerousMike wrote:some people read stuff in the papers written by old school managers and recycle it all as their own, informed opinion. In short, some people talk a lot of sh1te.mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with \'dangerousMike\' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can\'t control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel\'s signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
Toys & Pram parting company alert!
I am merely expressing frustration with all the nayesayers who trot out the 'can't play your way out of the CCC' line without actually giving it any thought.
Reading and West Brom made it up playing 'football' rather than hoofball, Fulham did it before them. What links these teams? They didn't come straight back down again. Unlike the likes of Watford and Derby who played 'hoofball' to get promoted then came right back down again.
You need to look longer term and look past promotion. Promotion is just the start not the end and if you want to stay up it's clear you need to go up prepared to play football.
If we build a team around possession football then the opposition 'hoofball' merchants aren't going to be able to get the ball off us and when they do their style of play will merely give it back to us.
Even if they do hoof it, we do have stature in the back 2 with Davies, Perry, Thomas (and hopefully Svenson) more than adequately equipped to deal with the aerial threat.
mullingar, says...
12:15pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Mmmmm wrote:All my own opinion, no one elses!
dangerousMike wrote:some people read stuff in the papers written by old school managers and recycle it all as their own, informed opinion. In short, some people talk a lot of sh1te.mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
It might differ from yours so join the debate and discussion rather than throw insults about!
dangerousMike, upstairs says...
12:24pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Mmmmm wrote:Check the Duch system out and you shall see that their teams all play with small fleet of foot wing backs that push forwards to occupy the oppositions wideplayer. Where in the four names that you just mentioned is one player of this type? The dutch to account for this have traditionally played a holding player to cover the space left by the fullbacks. This is the role that Viafarra is best suited to just the simple recieve it and give it short play which he regullarly produces for Columbia. All i have said is don't critisise his lack of passing ability based on his performances for us last season because, as you so elloquently put it, we played 'hoofball' and this season if we restrict him to 5-10 yard passes with Schinderin next to him to play the link up role he would be an ideal player for the system. But what do i know? After all i am only rehashing things that have been said many times before...
dangerousMike wrote:Oh Grief. Toys & Pram parting company alert! I am merely expressing frustration with all the nayesayers who trot out the \'can\'t play your way out of the CCC\' line without actually giving it any thought. Reading and West Brom made it up playing \'football\' rather than hoofball, Fulham did it before them. What links these teams? They didn\'t come straight back down again. Unlike the likes of Watford and Derby who played \'hoofball\' to get promoted then came right back down again. You need to look longer term and look past promotion. Promotion is just the start not the end and if you want to stay up it\'s clear you need to go up prepared to play football. If we build a team around possession football then the opposition \'hoofball\' merchants aren\'t going to be able to get the ball off us and when they do their style of play will merely give it back to us. Even if they do hoof it, we do have stature in the back 2 with Davies, Perry, Thomas (and hopefully Svenson) more than adequately equipped to deal with the aerial threat.Mmmmm wrote:Wow you are so right, i cant form an oppinion based on my watching the game. Must have left my Brain in my other robes (bugger when that happens). Still glad you were paying attention last season when we played against Brazil and Argentina on their flawless surfaces. Dont get me wrong all for the more attractive style that we are being promised just fail to see how you think we can stop the long ball game with no height in the team. But you are SO right in the silkey league that is the CC Championship we have no woories because nobody ever goes route 1 from the start of games. Can you please tell us all which league you have had expierience of managing in as some of us havent had the luxury and don\\\'t presume we know everything and so yes we read papers such as the Times (you may have heard of it?) and the independant (bit doubtful on that one) to increase our understanding of a game rather than just assume knowledge of a subject. Still I guess good accedemic practice must have passed you by up there on your pedistal. P.s you might want to be careful as it can hurt when you fall from such great heights.dangerousMike wrote:some people read stuff in the papers written by old school managers and recycle it all as their own, informed opinion. In short, some people talk a lot of sh1te.mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with \\\'dangerousMike\\\' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can\\\'t control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel\\\'s signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
Also if you read most of the posts they are not saying you can't play your way out of the CCC just that it is difficult to impose your style of play on a team with no physical presence. Arsenal are a typical example of this. (oh god there i go again)
Ric Flair, says...
12:33pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Why are we comlaining, he could steal us the championship trophy next season.
phil, Marchwood says...
12:49pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Skacel is a good deliverer of the dead ball - for that alone, we should try and keep him.
Viafara is physical and industrious and should also be kept.
We should try harder to keep the half decent players we do have as it will be harder to bring in better replacements than ever before.
Viafara is physical and industrious and should also be kept.
We should try harder to keep the half decent players we do have as it will be harder to bring in better replacements than ever before.
Stan Perks, Dorset says...
1:25pm Tue 22 Jul 08
phil wrote:And with attributes like that they wil shine against Weymouth tonight
Skacel is a good deliverer of the dead ball - for that alone, we should try and keep him. Viafara is physical and industrious and should also be kept. We should try harder to keep the half decent players we do have as it will be harder to bring in better replacements than ever before.
Ron Manager, says...
2:12pm Tue 22 Jul 08
We shold play a 3-4-3 against the weaker teams,
4-5-1 against better teams, 5-4-1 against the really good teams. This is a problem with the current squad as it does lack any tactical flexability.
4-5-1 against better teams, 5-4-1 against the really good teams. This is a problem with the current squad as it does lack any tactical flexability.
Dog dirt, the pavement says...
3:10pm Tue 22 Jul 08
It seems even our new coaching setup is not confident about our new era
Dutchman Wotte told BBC Radio Solent: "It won't happen straight away. We need to work on it for months.
"Some people adapt to changes quicker than others."
Well if there not adapting and Wotte is saying that we haven't a hope in hell's chance of staying in this division let alone challenging for promotion. Its eithier a brillant smoke screen or a disaster for PR and confidence in our clubs players.
If they don't adapt sling them out or get a decent manager who plays the english way.....no wiat we had one in Nigel Pearson and let him leave to join Leicester...nice one Lowe!!
Dutchman Wotte told BBC Radio Solent: "It won't happen straight away. We need to work on it for months.
"Some people adapt to changes quicker than others."
Well if there not adapting and Wotte is saying that we haven't a hope in hell's chance of staying in this division let alone challenging for promotion. Its eithier a brillant smoke screen or a disaster for PR and confidence in our clubs players.
If they don't adapt sling them out or get a decent manager who plays the english way.....no wiat we had one in Nigel Pearson and let him leave to join Leicester...nice one Lowe!!
sailor sam, portsmouth says...
3:15pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Have been away for a while, and have missed reading how you are all getting behind your Chairman and your new management team.
As, on this post, I note that there is no demand of Rupert Lowe's head to be delivered on a platter, I assume that he has been welcomed back into the fold, and that it has been accepted by one and all that he will steer the club clear of the threat of Administration.
I also note that, now it is claimed that Nathan Dyer may now be considering accepting a new contract, he is now being welcomed as one of the club's greatest hopes for the future, with one an all wanting to see him wearing the red and white stripes again, rather than a uniform bearing the broad arrows!
I assume that, as the dedicated fans are now willing to accept that he is innocent until AFTER the court case, they will also give BWP the same benefit.
It is always nice to know that true fans support their players in a time of need.
Yep! It is nice to be back!
ps. I know you slaughtered some non-league sides in pre-season friendlies, but did not hear how you got on against Celtic?
Did it show the strengths and weaknesses of your team?
As, on this post, I note that there is no demand of Rupert Lowe's head to be delivered on a platter, I assume that he has been welcomed back into the fold, and that it has been accepted by one and all that he will steer the club clear of the threat of Administration.
I also note that, now it is claimed that Nathan Dyer may now be considering accepting a new contract, he is now being welcomed as one of the club's greatest hopes for the future, with one an all wanting to see him wearing the red and white stripes again, rather than a uniform bearing the broad arrows!
I assume that, as the dedicated fans are now willing to accept that he is innocent until AFTER the court case, they will also give BWP the same benefit.
It is always nice to know that true fans support their players in a time of need.
Yep! It is nice to be back!
ps. I know you slaughtered some non-league sides in pre-season friendlies, but did not hear how you got on against Celtic?
Did it show the strengths and weaknesses of your team?
Myself, says...
3:17pm Tue 22 Jul 08
sailor sam wrote:I know you are an old man, Sailor Sam.
Have been away for a while, and have missed reading how you are all getting behind your Chairman and your new management team. As, on this post, I note that there is no demand of Rupert Lowe's head to be delivered on a platter, I assume that he has been welcomed back into the fold, and that it has been accepted by one and all that he will steer the club clear of the threat of Administration. I also note that, now it is claimed that Nathan Dyer may now be considering accepting a new contract, he is now being welcomed as one of the club's greatest hopes for the future, with one an all wanting to see him wearing the red and white stripes again, rather than a uniform bearing the broad arrows! I assume that, as the dedicated fans are now willing to accept that he is innocent until AFTER the court case, they will also give BWP the same benefit. It is always nice to know that true fans support their players in a time of need. Yep! It is nice to be back! ps. I know you slaughtered some non-league sides in pre-season friendlies, but did not hear how you got on against Celtic? Did it show the strengths and weaknesses of your team?
Lowe Out, says...
3:25pm Tue 22 Jul 08
It showed that the strengths are we arent Pompey, the weaknesses are Rupert Lowe.
Balls, In your court says...
3:45pm Tue 22 Jul 08
dangerousMike wrote:And there was me thinking that Stoke were now in the Premier League?????
mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
Rocket Swanie, says...
3:53pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Worrying quotes from Wotte on the BBC. He states it could take months for the players to adapt to the new style.
Am I alone in thinking we havent got months and that we really need to hit the ground running? We keep getting rallying cries on here of get behind the team and stop being so negative, and yet the people in charge of the club seem very negative.
With Ruperts track record these guys havent got months to bed in their ideas, come December we could be in the middle of a relegation battle with a team of kids, and looking for another Manager.
Still feeling positive people?
Am I alone in thinking we havent got months and that we really need to hit the ground running? We keep getting rallying cries on here of get behind the team and stop being so negative, and yet the people in charge of the club seem very negative.
With Ruperts track record these guys havent got months to bed in their ideas, come December we could be in the middle of a relegation battle with a team of kids, and looking for another Manager.
Still feeling positive people?
dangerouMike, says...
3:57pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Balls wrote:check the friendlies again shirelock. Glad to see suporters keeping up with their teams fixtures.
dangerousMike wrote:And there was me thinking that Stoke were now in the Premier League?????mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with \\\'dangerousMike\\\' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can\\\'t control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel\\\'s signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
Les A Faire, In Despair says...
4:03pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Rocket Swanie wrote:quite right. i dont remember anyone saying until now that this coaching revolution might take months for the players to adapt to. maybe Wotte's suddenly realised that the jobs a bit harder than he thought and the young players arent as ready as he was told they are. Which was always going to be a potential problem if you set out to have a team of youngsters coached by people without any experience in england and with a style which young english players arent familiar with.
Worrying quotes from Wotte on the BBC. He states it could take months for the players to adapt to the new style. Am I alone in thinking we havent got months and that we really need to hit the ground running? We keep getting rallying cries on here of get behind the team and stop being so negative, and yet the people in charge of the club seem very negative. With Ruperts track record these guys havent got months to bed in their ideas, come December we could be in the middle of a relegation battle with a team of kids, and looking for another Manager. Still feeling positive people?
allsaintsnocurves, southampton says...
4:12pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Skacel and Viafara will be sold if we get the right offers for them...until then we will probably have to take any offers for our experienced players. Johh, Rasiak, Saganowski are 3 others who Saints will probably take cash for. Personally I would have preferred seeing BWP going and Saganowski playing on the right side as he is a much better player. Dyer can play there too and would be a good sub with his pace. Stern John would be a good forward in the loan striker position as he holds the ball up well and can score from distance. I hope we can sell Skacel, Viafara and Rasiak and keep the rest.
Bobby Valentino, says...
4:15pm Tue 22 Jul 08
What's happend to Gregory Vignal? he a was good left back for us last season, could'nt we afford his wages or has he joined another club.
Where's Wally, says...
4:15pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Balls wrote:Tw*t!
dangerousMike wrote:And there was me thinking that Stoke were now in the Premier League?????mullingar wrote:Some would argue that physical prescence is all you need in this league. Certainly i struggle to think how we will cope against Stoke when we play them.NC Fan for Life wrote: I Agree with 'dangerousMike' we need more height and to be more physical in this league. Viafara & Stern John may be next to go if we get good enough offers after Skacel to Ipswich. If Viafara stays then he and Jamie Hatch are our rightbacks. Surman is wasted at left back and must be brought back into midfield, if Skacel stays then he & Joe Mills are our left backs. We cannot afford the luxury of two wide wingers as we will be overrun in midfield, not too sure about Lee Holmes, he works hard but seems to run into blind alleys.Viafara can go as far as I am concerned. His boots are always on the wrong feet and he can't control any pass he gets! Great physical presence but we need more than that. I supported Skacel's signing back in 2006 as he came highly rated from Hearts but he has been a big disappointment and has conned us all. The team played some good football on Friday night and we need to support the young squad in the years ahead and it needs a sprinkling of experience but not the likes of Viafara and Skacel.
dangerousMike, Killing all the humans since 2033 says...
4:16pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Les A Faire wrote:Oh no, bet nobody thought of this sooner. The problem as Rocket Swanie puts it is RL is slightly mad and would fire a manager as soon as look at him. I only hope that the fans don't start getting on JP's back the first time something goes slightly wrong. Not that I want Lowe at the club a second longer than he ahs to be there its just keep on chopping and changing managers allways seem to have the same effect on a club... Relegation.
Rocket Swanie wrote: Worrying quotes from Wotte on the BBC. He states it could take months for the players to adapt to the new style. Am I alone in thinking we havent got months and that we really need to hit the ground running? We keep getting rallying cries on here of get behind the team and stop being so negative, and yet the people in charge of the club seem very negative. With Ruperts track record these guys havent got months to bed in their ideas, come December we could be in the middle of a relegation battle with a team of kids, and looking for another Manager. Still feeling positive people?quite right. i dont remember anyone saying until now that this coaching revolution might take months for the players to adapt to. maybe Wotte's suddenly realised that the jobs a bit harder than he thought and the young players arent as ready as he was told they are. Which was always going to be a potential problem if you set out to have a team of youngsters coached by people without any experience in england and with a style which young english players arent familiar with.
Ric Flair, says...
4:19pm Tue 22 Jul 08
allsaintsnocurves wrote:We will sell them as Real Madrid and Man u have an interest
Skacel and Viafara will be sold if we get the right offers for them...until then we will probably have to take any offers for our experienced players. Johh, Rasiak, Saganowski are 3 others who Saints will probably take cash for. Personally I would have preferred seeing BWP going and Saganowski playing on the right side as he is a much better player. Dyer can play there too and would be a good sub with his pace. Stern John would be a good forward in the loan striker position as he holds the ball up well and can score from distance. I hope we can sell Skacel, Viafara and Rasiak and keep the rest.
John sold for £15m
Viafara sold For £12m and a packet of crisps
Skacel sold for £21m
Rasiak Sold for the Premier League Trophy
Edam, On me Boat says...
4:46pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Its no good playing pretty boy Charlie Football in this Division.Teams will just bulldoze straight though you!
Old Scots F@rt, on the telly ages ago says...
4:55pm Tue 22 Jul 08
We're doomed!
Costa Baz, says...
5:15pm Tue 22 Jul 08
Rocket Swanie wrote:I suggested a few days ago that JP
Worrying quotes from Wotte on the BBC. He states it could take months for the players to adapt to the new style. Am I alone in thinking we havent got months and that we really need to hit the ground running? We keep getting rallying cries on here of get behind the team and stop being so negative, and yet the people in charge of the club seem very negative. With Ruperts track record these guys havent got months to bed in their ideas, come December we could be in the middle of a relegation battle with a team of kids, and looking for another Manager. Still feeling positive people?
ossiesaint, at the bar says...
6:44am Tue 22 Jul 08