Secrecy over Lallana understandable - but annoying

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana Adam Lallana

THERE is a delicate balance to strike when it comes to informing supporters of what is going on and giving away trade secrets.

Recently, Saints have been completely silent on the injury to Adam Lallana – and understandably many Saints fans are desperate to know what is going on.

The exact reason for the club’s reticence to spill the beans – to any degree – is not clear but you can understand to a point why they may not want to alert upcoming opponents as to whether or not they have to adapt for what Lallana brings.

In this week’s prematch press conference, Adkins would only go as far as to say Lallana was suffering a knee injury – that much everyone already knew after watching the midfielder undergo treatment pitchside.

As with any organisation, there is a certain amount of secrecy required to get things done without competitors getting one over you and Nigel Adkins does have a habit of not answering even the most mundane of questions.

For example, the only time I’ve seen him be anything remotely close to candid was following the 6-1 drubbing against Arsenal. In was nice to actually hear a worthwhile view on the team’s performance rather than one liners about buses, “this football club” and “the Barclays Premier League”.

I’m writing this as a supporter – not a journalist. I want to hear the manager’s thoughts and opinions. We all do.

Perhaps if the club was a bit more forthcoming with information about the little things (for example, I was well aware how much it would cost me to purchase a corporate hospitality seat for the Sunderland match, but nowhere could I find the price for a ticket to the Stoke match) there would be less inclination for some to automatically assume a cover-up when someone like Lallana gets injured, just because the club wants to play its cards close to the chest – or perhaps the player doesn’t want their medical information thrown about all over the place.

It would just be nice for the club to think that some information other than corporate hospitality prices might be useful to fans – and not necessarily harmful to the club.

Fans respect the need for some things to remain confidential – but we want to feel like we are actually part of a club rather than just customers of a business.

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6:57pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Footballfootballandmorefootball says...

You have answered your own question as to why the club wants to keep these things close to its chest, Unfortunately its pretty clear that its not just a minor injury. You dont decide to "keep it in house" if its a minor tweak. It was clearly a knee problem, he isnt training and I would be surpised to see him back before Easter. My guess is ligaments but tweak,tear or rupture? I dont think the club gain anything by making it public.
You have answered your own question as to why the club wants to keep these things close to its chest, Unfortunately its pretty clear that its not just a minor injury. You dont decide to "keep it in house" if its a minor tweak. It was clearly a knee problem, he isnt training and I would be surpised to see him back before Easter. My guess is ligaments but tweak,tear or rupture? I dont think the club gain anything by making it public. Footballfootballandmorefootball
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9:20pm Thu 27 Dec 12

Scarborosaint says...

It might be that the club are awaiting for the swelling to ease and for results to be confirmed and that it's difficult to put a timescale on his recovery , with Ramirez earlier in season they said 6 weeks and he came back a week early but knees and ankles are more difficult to quantify the damage without initial orthoscopic surgery or conclusive MRI scanning
It might be that the club are awaiting for the swelling to ease and for results to be confirmed and that it's difficult to put a timescale on his recovery , with Ramirez earlier in season they said 6 weeks and he came back a week early but knees and ankles are more difficult to quantify the damage without initial orthoscopic surgery or conclusive MRI scanning Scarborosaint
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9:24pm Thu 27 Dec 12

City Saint says...

You are correct that many Saints fans believe the club is unduly secretive about many issues, especially player availability. Many of us wonder why Tadanari Lee didn't make the bench against Sunderland or Fulham, after scoring a hat trick for the reserves (well, youth team plus oldies) a week ago.

We put up with it so long as the club is doing well, but the club is on thin ice with a lot of the community if things turn sour. The court case a few weeks ago, where saints didn't even show up to contest non-payment to a local trader, also smacked of arrogance.

Anyways, it would help if the Echo would report more aggressively on Saints. Cortese has banned you, so what is to lose from going a little harder into the investigative side of things?

Two years of running club statements and Adkins motd / radio solent weekend interviews as "news" midweek hasn't thawed relations, so I say go for it.

A proper local paper pulls out the stops to get local news on the top football them in the area. Build the source base, get inside info and run with verified facts. Then the club. Will have no choice but to re-engage with the Echo, and indeed with the rest of us.
You are correct that many Saints fans believe the club is unduly secretive about many issues, especially player availability. Many of us wonder why Tadanari Lee didn't make the bench against Sunderland or Fulham, after scoring a hat trick for the reserves (well, youth team plus oldies) a week ago. We put up with it so long as the club is doing well, but the club is on thin ice with a lot of the community if things turn sour. The court case a few weeks ago, where saints didn't even show up to contest non-payment to a local trader, also smacked of arrogance. Anyways, it would help if the Echo would report more aggressively on Saints. Cortese has banned you, so what is to lose from going a little harder into the investigative side of things? Two years of running club statements and Adkins motd / radio solent weekend interviews as "news" midweek hasn't thawed relations, so I say go for it. A proper local paper pulls out the stops to get local news on the top football them in the area. Build the source base, get inside info and run with verified facts. Then the club. Will have no choice but to re-engage with the Echo, and indeed with the rest of us. City Saint
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4:18am Sat 29 Dec 12

Thornhill Saint says...

Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result.

Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word.

What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese.

Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so.

If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners.

The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.
Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result. Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word. What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese. Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so. If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners. The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse. Thornhill Saint
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6:44pm Sun 30 Dec 12

Tirau Dan says...

I'm happy with keeping injuries quiet; especially with a player you know the opposition would brief and plan to counter like Adam. Why give them anything for the sake of us sending flowers or a get well soon card.

One thing about Saints that grows on me is that we are a team constantly looking for business like improvement in every department from development of players to smartening up staff. The club doesn't "talk" it "does". I like it.
I'm happy with keeping injuries quiet; especially with a player you know the opposition would brief and plan to counter like Adam. Why give them anything for the sake of us sending flowers or a get well soon card. One thing about Saints that grows on me is that we are a team constantly looking for business like improvement in every department from development of players to smartening up staff. The club doesn't "talk" it "does". I like it. Tirau Dan
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9:29am Tue 1 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

My interest in getting information on injured players is more because I care about them as human beings, I appreciate the tactical side of it all, but I would prefer a bit of respect for the Supporters who are the real backbone of the Club and who should be kept up to speed in my opinion.
My interest in getting information on injured players is more because I care about them as human beings, I appreciate the tactical side of it all, but I would prefer a bit of respect for the Supporters who are the real backbone of the Club and who should be kept up to speed in my opinion. OSPREYSAINT
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7:34pm Wed 2 Jan 13

Thornhill Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
My interest in getting information on injured players is more because I care about them as human beings, I appreciate the tactical side of it all, but I would prefer a bit of respect for the Supporters who are the real backbone of the Club and who should be kept up to speed in my opinion.
There is plenty you could do without demanding the gaffer give out sensitive availability information. Send them a get well card. Some flowers maybe?

Why is "trying to win games of football" (Well known Adkinism) by every means possible including not giving away team selection not respecting the real backbone of the club, us, the supporters. Don't foget, even Coretese bought his season ticket! Find a couple of billion we can invest in a healhy transfer kitty and maybe we can talk.

You might also try tweeting Adam Blackmore of Radio Solent. He seems to be the man asking the post match questions. Maybe he should be asking what is up with so and so. I am personally curious about Tad Lee. Why has Adam not popped the question?????? I blame him :')
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: My interest in getting information on injured players is more because I care about them as human beings, I appreciate the tactical side of it all, but I would prefer a bit of respect for the Supporters who are the real backbone of the Club and who should be kept up to speed in my opinion.[/p][/quote]There is plenty you could do without demanding the gaffer give out sensitive availability information. Send them a get well card. Some flowers maybe? Why is "trying to win games of football" (Well known Adkinism) by every means possible including not giving away team selection not respecting the real backbone of the club, us, the supporters. Don't foget, even Coretese bought his season ticket! Find a couple of billion we can invest in a healhy transfer kitty and maybe we can talk. You might also try tweeting Adam Blackmore of Radio Solent. He seems to be the man asking the post match questions. Maybe he should be asking what is up with so and so. I am personally curious about Tad Lee. Why has Adam not popped the question?????? I blame him :') Thornhill Saint
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9:59am Thu 3 Jan 13

City Saint says...

Thornhill Saint wrote:
Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result.

Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word.

What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese.

Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so.

If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners.

The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.
All very noble and I agree with most of your points.

But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work.

Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?
[quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result. Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word. What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese. Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so. If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners. The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.[/p][/quote]All very noble and I agree with most of your points. But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work. Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights? City Saint
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9:42am Fri 4 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so.
There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so. OSPREYSAINT
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10:07am Fri 4 Jan 13

City Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so.
The access-for-pictures affair met have gone over your head back in August then, mate.

You must've been still knocking back the piña coladas at the time.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]The access-for-pictures affair met have gone over your head back in August then, mate. You must've been still knocking back the piña coladas at the time. City Saint
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11:30am Fri 4 Jan 13

Thornhill Saint says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so.
Who says they are obsessively secretive? An example is the press conference today:

1) Lallana is out

2) Clyne is touch and go

3) Gazanigga is fit

4) They will not be signing any new keepers in Jan

5) They are looking to sign players

6) They are not looking to sell Shaw or Lambert. Any approaches need to go to Cortese.

7) They will look at moving players on who have not played in the prem. Nobody asked specifics but it is not hard to work out who he means.

Adkins gave the above information without naming their transfer targets or naming the side for Saturday. What more do you want and how clever do you want them to be?.

Nobody asked about Tadanari Lee. If they did I am sure they would have had an answer. He advised contract negotiations were private, but he would let the press know when anything is concluded which I think is fair enough.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: There is a thin line between being informative to ones supporters and obsesive secrecy. I am sure they could be clever enough to keep us on board without giving away too many secrets. At least Lala has a chance of some quality family time with his nipper, something not always afforded to front line players. Let's hope he can come back physically stronger than ever. The Sun commanding the Clubs respect? I don't think so.[/p][/quote]Who says they are obsessively secretive? An example is the press conference today: 1) Lallana is out 2) Clyne is touch and go 3) Gazanigga is fit 4) They will not be signing any new keepers in Jan 5) They are looking to sign players 6) They are not looking to sell Shaw or Lambert. Any approaches need to go to Cortese. 7) They will look at moving players on who have not played in the prem. Nobody asked specifics but it is not hard to work out who he means. Adkins gave the above information without naming their transfer targets or naming the side for Saturday. What more do you want and how clever do you want them to be?. Nobody asked about Tadanari Lee. If they did I am sure they would have had an answer. He advised contract negotiations were private, but he would let the press know when anything is concluded which I think is fair enough. Thornhill Saint
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11:38am Fri 4 Jan 13

Thornhill Saint says...

City Saint wrote:
Thornhill Saint wrote:
Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result.

Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word.

What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese.

Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so.

If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners.

The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.
All very noble and I agree with most of your points.

But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work.

Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?
Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers.

The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well.

It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo.

Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business.
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result. Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word. What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese. Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so. If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners. The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.[/p][/quote]All very noble and I agree with most of your points. But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work. Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?[/p][/quote]Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers. The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well. It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo. Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business. Thornhill Saint
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11:50am Fri 4 Jan 13

Thornhill Saint says...

Osprey:

From one press conference the Echo has run no less than 5 stories.

Adkins rules out swoop for keeper
Adkins: Star duo are not for sale
Lallana out, but Clyne could return
Players heading for St Mary's exit
Ace Lambert 'staying at Saints'

If this is not enough, the conference itself has been posted to You-tube by Saints.
Osprey: From one press conference the Echo has run no less than 5 stories. Adkins rules out swoop for keeper Adkins: Star duo are not for sale Lallana out, but Clyne could return Players heading for St Mary's exit Ace Lambert 'staying at Saints' If this is not enough, the conference itself has been posted to You-tube by Saints. Thornhill Saint
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6:21pm Fri 4 Jan 13

City Saint says...

Thornhill Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
Thornhill Saint wrote:
Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result.

Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word.

What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese.

Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so.

If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners.

The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.
All very noble and I agree with most of your points.

But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work.

Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?
Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers.

The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well.

It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo.

Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business.
Hmm. We will,have to agree to disagree. I favour a bold, free press.

(Are you Dan Kerins in disguise?)
[quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result. Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word. What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese. Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so. If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners. The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.[/p][/quote]All very noble and I agree with most of your points. But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work. Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?[/p][/quote]Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers. The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well. It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo. Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business.[/p][/quote]Hmm. We will,have to agree to disagree. I favour a bold, free press. (Are you Dan Kerins in disguise?) City Saint
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6:41pm Fri 4 Jan 13

Thornhill Saint says...

City Saint wrote:
Thornhill Saint wrote:
City Saint wrote:
Thornhill Saint wrote:
Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result.

Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word.

What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese.

Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so.

If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners.

The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.
All very noble and I agree with most of your points.

But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work.

Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?
Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers.

The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well.

It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo.

Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business.
Hmm. We will,have to agree to disagree. I favour a bold, free press.

(Are you Dan Kerins in disguise?)
I too favour a bold free press but I also believe in a free economy where supporters can buy whatever paper they choose or not bother. Papers need to react and I respect their right to do so. Adam Smith and Darwin demand it!
[quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]City Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: Adkins has already stated why he does not give much away with regards to player availability. Revealing up to date information on injuries hands the other side an advantage.Despite this, he have already said he is going to miss the festive period as his injury is serious. What more do you want? If you listen to Adkins interviews, (enlightened cliches aside) there is an awful lot of information to be gleaned. The Echo seems to report well enough on them as a result. Cortese has stated what he intended to deliver and he is ahead of schedule. He has given some pretty good interviews with other media sources other than the Echo when needed, Apart from that he has stated he does business behind closed doors and he has been true to his word. What should the Echo do? I don't really think the echo could be any more aggressive when it comes to the Saints chairman. They do not appear to have the sources or the verified information to report any other way. They appear to rely too heavily on a certain number of ex-players/managers (with proven Cortese Issues) for their opinions and appear too entrenched in their loyalties. This can only serve to compound the apparent bitterness over their own long running feud with Cortese. Is being any more aggressive likely to open doors. I personally don't think so. If Cortese did walk, does the Echo or City Saint have any more credible proven backers to step into the breach? I think most of the community understand this and it would take hell of a lot more than a few bad results and even relegation for the community at large to turn on the owners. The issue is the breakdown in the relationship between the Echo and the club. Maybe Terrie Paine's appointment will help things. He is a man with a foot in both camps (writes for the Pink). I sure hope so as it can't really get much worse.[/p][/quote]All very noble and I agree with most of your points. But trust me, in journalism you need to be prepared to weild the sharp end of your pencil if the gently gently approach doesn't work. Why do you think the Sun and othe national media still command the club's respect? Did they roll over and beg for a tummy rub whenCortese played the hard man over photo rights?[/p][/quote]Don't you think the Echo has more to lose should they go overboard attacking the club management than your National Newspapers. The Sun and the Mail have plenty of other readers but the Echo I would have thought are more (not totally reliant) on people interested in the club doing well. It is not so much alienating the club which they have done already, but alienating supporters who read the echo. Look at how their incessant, obsessive headlines about Oxlade-Chamberlaine going created a bit of a backlash. do you not think going after the top brass at the club might have a similar off putting effect on a fanbase which still by and large supports the current regime?. They are after all a business.[/p][/quote]Hmm. We will,have to agree to disagree. I favour a bold, free press. (Are you Dan Kerins in disguise?)[/p][/quote]I too favour a bold free press but I also believe in a free economy where supporters can buy whatever paper they choose or not bother. Papers need to react and I respect their right to do so. Adam Smith and Darwin demand it! Thornhill Saint
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8:26pm Sun 6 Jan 13

OSPREYSAINT says...

Thornhill Saint wrote:
Osprey:

From one press conference the Echo has run no less than 5 stories.

Adkins rules out swoop for keeper
Adkins: Star duo are not for sale
Lallana out, but Clyne could return
Players heading for St Mary's exit
Ace Lambert 'staying at Saints'

If this is not enough, the conference itself has been posted to You-tube by Saints.
It was a bit strange the other day, going from virtually no threads for several days, we suddenly had fourteen at once, one extreme to the other, I welcome the extra input, but somehow I still feel that after all of that I still don't actually have any hard and fast facts. If newspapers aren't furnished any information they always resort to making things up, and that can be more damaging than the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Thornhill Saint[/bold] wrote: Osprey: From one press conference the Echo has run no less than 5 stories. Adkins rules out swoop for keeper Adkins: Star duo are not for sale Lallana out, but Clyne could return Players heading for St Mary's exit Ace Lambert 'staying at Saints' If this is not enough, the conference itself has been posted to You-tube by Saints.[/p][/quote]It was a bit strange the other day, going from virtually no threads for several days, we suddenly had fourteen at once, one extreme to the other, I welcome the extra input, but somehow I still feel that after all of that I still don't actually have any hard and fast facts. If newspapers aren't furnished any information they always resort to making things up, and that can be more damaging than the truth. OSPREYSAINT
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