St. Mary's expansion? Seems unlikely..

St. Mary's won't be expanding any time soon

St. Mary's won't be expanding any time soon

First published in View from the Chapel Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Digital Editor

Quite out of the blue last week, someone under the illusion that I know anything of merit, emailed me to ask if I could shed some light on something he’d heard.

Basically, one of his mates was adamant that Saints are about to expand St. Mary’s and he wanted to know if there was any truth in it.

Essentially, it’s the sort of conversation football fans have when there is no football to talk about during international breaks.

I know logic seldom comes into football, but the likelihood seems so remote it’s unlikely it’s something that is realistically on the radar of anyone at the club.

Yes, I know the chairman has mentioned in the past something about 50,000 seats but that doesn’t mean we’re suddenly going to see a forest of cranes rise above the Kingsland Stand.

Besides, the club would need extra planning permission too and nothing has been lodged with the city council - and that would not necessarily be straight forward.

We all know football is essentially male-appendage swinging when it comes to football fans and attendances and stadium sizes are a great way to rub our collective egos as supporters.

But at the the moment (and indeed, in the foreseeable future) there’s just no need to go beyond the 32,689 seats we have.

During a bit of hob-nobbing I did years ago, Andrew Cowen, who was on the board with Rupert Lowe, said the costs of adding extra seats on was prohibitive unless there was a tanglible and definite demand - namely 24,000 season ticket holders and a waiting list in place for a few years.

This was not long after the FA Cup final appearance in 2003, just two years after we’ve moved lock stock to St. Mary’s.

He said that the entire stadium project cost roughly £1,000 per seat to build (stadium was £21m, other stuff like road changes were another £11m) but to add extra seats on the cost was closer to £3,000 per seat.

So that means to increase the stadium to say 40,000 seats would cost not that far off what it did to build the entire thing in the first place - and in the eight years since, I imagine the cost has only gone up.

Even in the top flight, that’d be a huge undertaking but to do it in the Championship would be madness.

St. Mary’s is fine for us at the moment and I don’t see any real need to whack an extra tier on her at the moment, although it’s nice to know that we can do if we ever want to.

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6:01pm Thu 17 Nov 11

COYR Ranger says...

I agree but if we want to be the club that we (the fans) and I think Nicola Cortese wants us to be. We need to think big when it is right thing to do so we must not be to afraid of risks!
I agree but if we want to be the club that we (the fans) and I think Nicola Cortese wants us to be. We need to think big when it is right thing to do so we must not be to afraid of risks! COYR Ranger
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7:23pm Thu 17 Nov 11

bogie says...

How about freeing up some more area around St Marys for parking first?

Also a quicker route away from the stadium on matchdays. Takes me an hour to get away from the stadium sometimes.
How about freeing up some more area around St Marys for parking first? Also a quicker route away from the stadium on matchdays. Takes me an hour to get away from the stadium sometimes. bogie
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10:29pm Thu 17 Nov 11

lowe esteem says...

There was a time when I had to be a season-ticket holder to get into St Marys with virtually every Premier game a sell-out. Currently, I don't need to, but it is obvious the fan-base has grown immeasurably since those know-nothings whose name you have dared to mention moved on.
There are clearly sums that will need revising if the club can only pull in 32,000 when there's 40,000 plus clamouring for tickets every home game.
Maths or Common sense were never Andrew Cowans strong subject.
There was a time when I had to be a season-ticket holder to get into St Marys with virtually every Premier game a sell-out. Currently, I don't need to, but it is obvious the fan-base has grown immeasurably since those know-nothings whose name you have dared to mention moved on. There are clearly sums that will need revising if the club can only pull in 32,000 when there's 40,000 plus clamouring for tickets every home game. Maths or Common sense were never Andrew Cowans strong subject. lowe esteem
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11:48pm Thu 17 Nov 11

eastleigh-ian says...

if i remember rightly the stadium was built so the roof could be removed and more seating added and the roof replaced just comeing over hanging a bit more than before . a lot cheaper than building a new stadium . and if the roof was removed at the end of a season it could all be back in place by the start of the new season .
if i remember rightly the stadium was built so the roof could be removed and more seating added and the roof replaced just comeing over hanging a bit more than before . a lot cheaper than building a new stadium . and if the roof was removed at the end of a season it could all be back in place by the start of the new season . eastleigh-ian
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11:22am Fri 18 Nov 11

Sussex Saint says...

Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..?

The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one.
Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..? The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one. Sussex Saint
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11:55am Fri 18 Nov 11

St.Yorkie says...

Hasn't Nicola confirmed at his monthly meal with chosen fans this week - planning application is prepared/being prepared or submitted to increase the stadium to 40,000 initially?
No smoke wthout fire - keep an eye on planning applications me thinks!
Hasn't Nicola confirmed at his monthly meal with chosen fans this week - planning application is prepared/being prepared or submitted to increase the stadium to 40,000 initially? No smoke wthout fire - keep an eye on planning applications me thinks! St.Yorkie
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12:32pm Fri 18 Nov 11

insane saint says...

informed by club insider 6 months ago they were looking to expand to 50000 within 2 years. don't know if true may have been pulling my chain but i have no calls to misbeleive him...
informed by club insider 6 months ago they were looking to expand to 50000 within 2 years. don't know if true may have been pulling my chain but i have no calls to misbeleive him... insane saint
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1:36pm Fri 18 Nov 11

Dan Kerins says...

Sussex Saint wrote:
Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..?

The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one.
James Bond need to know time - I actually wrote that part of the Wikipedia article years ago, before I worked for the Echo. Guess it should have been attributed a bit better by now!

The information about the ability to expand came direct from Andrew Cowen.

However, the 2015 Rugby World Cup is based on St. Mary's being 32,000 and expanding to 50,000 for the tournament was never part of the plan.
[quote][p][bold]Sussex Saint[/bold] wrote: Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..? The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one.[/p][/quote]James Bond need to know time - I actually wrote that part of the Wikipedia article years ago, before I worked for the Echo. Guess it should have been attributed a bit better by now! The information about the ability to expand came direct from Andrew Cowen. However, the 2015 Rugby World Cup is based on St. Mary's being 32,000 and expanding to 50,000 for the tournament was never part of the plan. Dan Kerins
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7:00pm Fri 18 Nov 11

northam-is-the-core says...

Dan Kerins wrote:
Sussex Saint wrote:
Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..?

The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one.
James Bond need to know time - I actually wrote that part of the Wikipedia article years ago, before I worked for the Echo. Guess it should have been attributed a bit better by now!

The information about the ability to expand came direct from Andrew Cowen.

However, the 2015 Rugby World Cup is based on St. Mary's being 32,000 and expanding to 50,000 for the tournament was never part of the plan.
Actually this was confirmed by the world cup bid team that to do thihs to st marys was exactly the plan
[quote][p][bold]Dan Kerins[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sussex Saint[/bold] wrote: Vaguely recall that as part of the 2015 Rugby World Cup plans that St Mary's was to be expanded to 50000..? The St Mary's Wikipedia suggests that all stands except the Itchen were designed to be increased, which again I always thought was a plan from day one.[/p][/quote]James Bond need to know time - I actually wrote that part of the Wikipedia article years ago, before I worked for the Echo. Guess it should have been attributed a bit better by now! The information about the ability to expand came direct from Andrew Cowen. However, the 2015 Rugby World Cup is based on St. Mary's being 32,000 and expanding to 50,000 for the tournament was never part of the plan.[/p][/quote]Actually this was confirmed by the world cup bid team that to do thihs to st marys was exactly the plan northam-is-the-core
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7:06pm Fri 18 Nov 11

northam-is-the-core says...

Plus this was written by you in that world cup article dan,It was designed to be able to take a further 8,000 seats on the Kingsland Stand, and 5,000 on both the Northam and Chapel Stands, giving a maximum capacity of around 50,700
Plus this was written by you in that world cup article dan,It was designed to be able to take a further 8,000 seats on the Kingsland Stand, and 5,000 on both the Northam and Chapel Stands, giving a maximum capacity of around 50,700 northam-is-the-core
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2:12pm Sat 19 Nov 11

Dan Kerins says...

You seem to be confused between the articles about trying to get St. Mary's into the FA's 2018 FIFA World Cup bid and the 2015 Rugby World Cup.

The Rugby World Cup was decided years ago, back when Rupert Lowe was chairman the first time around.
You seem to be confused between the articles about trying to get St. Mary's into the FA's 2018 FIFA World Cup bid and the 2015 Rugby World Cup. The Rugby World Cup was decided years ago, back when Rupert Lowe was chairman the first time around. Dan Kerins
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2:33pm Sat 19 Nov 11

Folkestone Saint says...

If they do expand make it at the Northam, 20,000 singing and chanting we could make the Cop look like a nice quiet place to go on a saturday
If they do expand make it at the Northam, 20,000 singing and chanting we could make the Cop look like a nice quiet place to go on a saturday Folkestone Saint
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12:18am Sun 20 Nov 11

K in says...

Saints have been getting quotes for expansion of stadium & it was designed to be easily extended if who shan't be named had had a bit more vision and ambition back in 2003..... but that's history & in Nicola & Nigel we trust!! Great times at sfc :-)
Saints have been getting quotes for expansion of stadium & it was designed to be easily extended if who shan't be named had had a bit more vision and ambition back in 2003..... but that's history & in Nicola & Nigel we trust!! Great times at sfc :-) K in
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10:44am Tue 22 Nov 11

miltonarcher says...

MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move
MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move miltonarcher
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1:03pm Tue 22 Nov 11

Gossie. says...

miltonarcher wrote:
MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move
I disagree, the position of SMS is perfect, easy to walk to, and plenty of free parking 20 to 25 minutes walk away.
I would love to see SMS extended, and also for the waterside area around it to be bought up and hotels and restaurants built.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move[/p][/quote]I disagree, the position of SMS is perfect, easy to walk to, and plenty of free parking 20 to 25 minutes walk away. I would love to see SMS extended, and also for the waterside area around it to be bought up and hotels and restaurants built. Gossie.
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2:04pm Tue 22 Nov 11

Dorssaints says...

SMS is an excellent location, the only problem was the train going by the ground, but with no station for away fans.

We come from Dorset, park up, walk to the ground predicting the score, walk to the pub on way back, do a post match analysis and then drive home when it is quieter.

What I dislike is the moving by Sky of games on a Saturday to 12.45 and to Monday at 7.45.
SMS is an excellent location, the only problem was the train going by the ground, but with no station for away fans. We come from Dorset, park up, walk to the ground predicting the score, walk to the pub on way back, do a post match analysis and then drive home when it is quieter. What I dislike is the moving by Sky of games on a Saturday to 12.45 and to Monday at 7.45. Dorssaints
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6:35am Wed 23 Nov 11

magsSFC says...

I was one of the 'Chosen Few' who was lucky enough to be invited to have dinner with the Chairman last week and I can confirm that he said he wants to expand the stadium - everything is ready to go - just waiting for the Council. He wants it to happen and I am sure it is in his five year plan.
I was one of the 'Chosen Few' who was lucky enough to be invited to have dinner with the Chairman last week and I can confirm that he said he wants to expand the stadium - everything is ready to go - just waiting for the Council. He wants it to happen and I am sure it is in his five year plan. magsSFC
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6:55pm Thu 24 Nov 11

insane saint says...

magsSFC wrote:
I was one of the 'Chosen Few' who was lucky enough to be invited to have dinner with the Chairman last week and I can confirm that he said he wants to expand the stadium - everything is ready to go - just waiting for the Council. He wants it to happen and I am sure it is in his five year plan.
just what i thought as a said in one of the first posts.
[quote][p][bold]magsSFC[/bold] wrote: I was one of the 'Chosen Few' who was lucky enough to be invited to have dinner with the Chairman last week and I can confirm that he said he wants to expand the stadium - everything is ready to go - just waiting for the Council. He wants it to happen and I am sure it is in his five year plan.[/p][/quote]just what i thought as a said in one of the first posts. insane saint
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9:44pm Thu 24 Nov 11

Redhat says...

the stadium WILL be extended FACT!!
the stadium WILL be extended FACT!! Redhat
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1:58pm Fri 25 Nov 11

lowe esteem says...

miltonarcher wrote:
MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move
Keep up! That stadium would not have been able to accommodate the numbers that this one can at the moment, not to mention the infrastructure and luvverly pubs!
You are clearly living in the past Milton/Archers?
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move[/p][/quote]Keep up! That stadium would not have been able to accommodate the numbers that this one can at the moment, not to mention the infrastructure and luvverly pubs! You are clearly living in the past Milton/Archers? lowe esteem
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10:52pm Fri 25 Nov 11

thehoggsback says...

I might be talking out of my a**e but i thought markus bought land near the rose bowl before he died 55k stadium to be built there when the prem days are back and they will be back,trying to get out of st mary,s when full is a no no,expansion i dont think so but hey just me talking,3 points sat please coyr.
I might be talking out of my a**e but i thought markus bought land near the rose bowl before he died 55k stadium to be built there when the prem days are back and they will be back,trying to get out of st mary,s when full is a no no,expansion i dont think so but hey just me talking,3 points sat please coyr. thehoggsback
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9:10pm Sun 27 Nov 11

insane saint says...

thehoggsback wrote:
I might be talking out of my a**e but i thought markus bought land near the rose bowl before he died 55k stadium to be built there when the prem days are back and they will be back,trying to get out of st mary,s when full is a no no,expansion i dont think so but hey just me talking,3 points sat please coyr.
i know there was land out that way near westend that saints already ownor did own prior to aministration. but i do not know of any more.
[quote][p][bold]thehoggsback[/bold] wrote: I might be talking out of my a**e but i thought markus bought land near the rose bowl before he died 55k stadium to be built there when the prem days are back and they will be back,trying to get out of st mary,s when full is a no no,expansion i dont think so but hey just me talking,3 points sat please coyr.[/p][/quote]i know there was land out that way near westend that saints already ownor did own prior to aministration. but i do not know of any more. insane saint
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9:38am Tue 6 Dec 11

echotalksb*****ks says...

Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH
Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH echotalksb*****ks
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9:50am Tue 6 Dec 11

echotalksb*****ks says...

bogie wrote:
How about freeing up some more area around St Marys for parking first?

Also a quicker route away from the stadium on matchdays. Takes me an hour to get away from the stadium sometimes.
well doh if you dont like traffic and big crowds which unfotunatly is a fact of life if you go to football may i suggest you go to fratton park, i park right by the stadium never takes more than 20 mins to get out
[quote][p][bold]bogie[/bold] wrote: How about freeing up some more area around St Marys for parking first? Also a quicker route away from the stadium on matchdays. Takes me an hour to get away from the stadium sometimes.[/p][/quote]well doh if you dont like traffic and big crowds which unfotunatly is a fact of life if you go to football may i suggest you go to fratton park, i park right by the stadium never takes more than 20 mins to get out echotalksb*****ks
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10:31am Tue 6 Dec 11

echotalksb*****ks says...

just read one of your other articles dan about us basically being a small club, you are the most deluded clueless reporter i have ever had the miss-fortune to come across in the press. Please pull your tongue out of cowens bottom and mr lowe stop banging on about them in your artcles if we are small run of the mill club how come we had the biggest ave attendances last season bar leeds outside the prem and when we were in the prem 95% of home games were sold out. We also were top flight football for 28 seasons. Where were city few seasons ago before money and new stadium ? so why cant we follow suit, do us saints fans a favour and get sacked or something or actually give our club some credit for the ambition and vision nicola has shown. And you wonder why nicola don cortese banned the press i totally support him on everything he does whether i agree or not because he didn't get where he is today by not knowing what he was doing yesterday
just read one of your other articles dan about us basically being a small club, you are the most deluded clueless reporter i have ever had the miss-fortune to come across in the press. Please pull your tongue out of cowens bottom and mr lowe stop banging on about them in your artcles if we are small run of the mill club how come we had the biggest ave attendances last season bar leeds outside the prem and when we were in the prem 95% of home games were sold out. We also were top flight football for 28 seasons. Where were city few seasons ago before money and new stadium ? so why cant we follow suit, do us saints fans a favour and get sacked or something or actually give our club some credit for the ambition and vision nicola has shown. And you wonder why nicola don cortese banned the press i totally support him on everything he does whether i agree or not because he didn't get where he is today by not knowing what he was doing yesterday echotalksb*****ks
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12:03pm Tue 6 Dec 11

AdrianSmith says...

echotalksb*****ks wrote:
Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH
Here's my comment:

I'd venture the reporter and the former board would know far more than you on the subject. Your grasp of the English language suggests that in actual fact, you do not know very much.

Besides, if the club can afford to spend huge sums on expanding the stadium, why is there no work going on at the training ground?

The fantastic plans for it have ground to a halt and although demolition started months ago, nothing has been done since.

I heard that the club doesn't actually have much money at all, despite the big promises and that a lot of what is being paid for is done courtesy of loans and staggered deals.

I don't know if that is true but it would certainly explain a lot.
[quote][p][bold]echotalksb*****ks[/bold] wrote: Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH[/p][/quote]Here's my comment: I'd venture the reporter and the former board would know far more than you on the subject. Your grasp of the English language suggests that in actual fact, you do not know very much. Besides, if the club can afford to spend huge sums on expanding the stadium, why is there no work going on at the training ground? The fantastic plans for it have ground to a halt and although demolition started months ago, nothing has been done since. I heard that the club doesn't actually have much money at all, despite the big promises and that a lot of what is being paid for is done courtesy of loans and staggered deals. I don't know if that is true but it would certainly explain a lot. AdrianSmith
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1:46pm Tue 6 Dec 11

echotalksb*****ks says...

AdrianSmith wrote:
echotalksb*****ks wrote:
Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH
Here's my comment:

I'd venture the reporter and the former board would know far more than you on the subject. Your grasp of the English language suggests that in actual fact, you do not know very much.

Besides, if the club can afford to spend huge sums on expanding the stadium, why is there no work going on at the training ground?

The fantastic plans for it have ground to a halt and although demolition started months ago, nothing has been done since.

I heard that the club doesn't actually have much money at all, despite the big promises and that a lot of what is being paid for is done courtesy of loans and staggered deals.

I don't know if that is true but it would certainly explain a lot.
i actually beg to differ,are you talking about that former board that took away our prem status and led us into administration & league 1?, i think even i could appoint a team of people that could manage a club better than those excuses for business men. They were such a roaring success eh. My English is the only thing you can point out, well done you. Not all of us sucked on mummys breast till we were eighteen and had private education. Also, your right about our training facilities, we are in a **** state with that aren't we, youth policies are crap, we still in league 1 things are so bad at the mo. Your obviously a ringer for lowe and his merry men of liars he called a board, next you'll tell me we would be in a better position if lowe was still in charge. Do yourself a favour and shut up defending the past board and the echo reporter the fact is everything this current board has said it will do it's done ahead of schedule may i point out and the only thing you can you can pick me up on is my grammar and the training facilities are behind schedule i'd say that its you that has a lack of knowledge. Go on point out my bad English again we both know its all you got
[quote][p][bold]AdrianSmith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]echotalksb*****ks[/bold] wrote: Only someone who sits in the chapel would write an article like this saying we don't need it if that's so why don't we just stay in the championship and have no ambition? for me i don't think that was on the agenda for nicola cortese. As for writing about any costs that had been estimated by that joke of a board and rupert lowe is laughable 80% of that cost probably was going into his companies like everything else did, as per usual someone from the echo doesn't have a clue do yourself a favour like when you sit in the chapel on a sat and keep quiet SSSSHHHH[/p][/quote]Here's my comment: I'd venture the reporter and the former board would know far more than you on the subject. Your grasp of the English language suggests that in actual fact, you do not know very much. Besides, if the club can afford to spend huge sums on expanding the stadium, why is there no work going on at the training ground? The fantastic plans for it have ground to a halt and although demolition started months ago, nothing has been done since. I heard that the club doesn't actually have much money at all, despite the big promises and that a lot of what is being paid for is done courtesy of loans and staggered deals. I don't know if that is true but it would certainly explain a lot.[/p][/quote]i actually beg to differ,are you talking about that former board that took away our prem status and led us into administration & league 1?, i think even i could appoint a team of people that could manage a club better than those excuses for business men. They were such a roaring success eh. My English is the only thing you can point out, well done you. Not all of us sucked on mummys breast till we were eighteen and had private education. Also, your right about our training facilities, we are in a **** state with that aren't we, youth policies are crap, we still in league 1 things are so bad at the mo. Your obviously a ringer for lowe and his merry men of liars he called a board, next you'll tell me we would be in a better position if lowe was still in charge. Do yourself a favour and shut up defending the past board and the echo reporter the fact is everything this current board has said it will do it's done ahead of schedule may i point out and the only thing you can you can pick me up on is my grammar and the training facilities are behind schedule i'd say that its you that has a lack of knowledge. Go on point out my bad English again we both know its all you got echotalksb*****ks
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7:06pm Tue 6 Dec 11

Dan Kerins says...

You can disagree with my opinions n the article all you like - I've no problem with that - but if you're going to be offensive and pick fights with other readers, I think it's probably best if you go elsewhere.

Play the ball, not the man.
You can disagree with my opinions n the article all you like - I've no problem with that - but if you're going to be offensive and pick fights with other readers, I think it's probably best if you go elsewhere. Play the ball, not the man. Dan Kerins
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9:32am Wed 7 Dec 11

echotalksb*****ks says...

well write something creditable then what's your problem writing articles about we shouldn't look any further than being a run of the mill club and shouldn't look to extending the stadium. And i don't remember picking a fight with anyone, as for trying to give credit to the former board is a joke. I would rather have a view from the northam where the passion is and the twelveth man, not from someone who sits in the chapel probably asking people to keep the noise down. It's no wonder cortese banned you lot you talk utter nonsense. It would be nice to have someone give the current set up some credit for making us a professional set up and also be positive. Your only saying I'm picking fights because I'm right and i picked out your ringer who defends the last board and you, its like lowes moles on the forums all over again its laughable. Adrian's arguements where my grammer and the work at the training ground i mean come on talk about clutching at straws and thats because you can't fault the club at the mo so why are you trying? how very weak the articles are trying to pick fault in the club, try reporting on the fantastic support we have and how ambitious the current set up are
well write something creditable then what's your problem writing articles about we shouldn't look any further than being a run of the mill club and shouldn't look to extending the stadium. And i don't remember picking a fight with anyone, as for trying to give credit to the former board is a joke. I would rather have a view from the northam where the passion is and the twelveth man, not from someone who sits in the chapel probably asking people to keep the noise down. It's no wonder cortese banned you lot you talk utter nonsense. It would be nice to have someone give the current set up some credit for making us a professional set up and also be positive. Your only saying I'm picking fights because I'm right and i picked out your ringer who defends the last board and you, its like lowes moles on the forums all over again its laughable. Adrian's arguements where my grammer and the work at the training ground i mean come on talk about clutching at straws and thats because you can't fault the club at the mo so why are you trying? how very weak the articles are trying to pick fault in the club, try reporting on the fantastic support we have and how ambitious the current set up are echotalksb*****ks
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11:38am Wed 7 Dec 11

Dan Kerins says...

Quite frankly, if you think this column in anyway bashes Saints or praises the former directors, you must be reading something else entirely.

All this article is about is explaining why - in my opinion - Saints would be silly to expand the stadium any time soon.

As for Saints 'being a small club' what I actually said was that Saints are never going to be as big as Manchester Utd, and that it would be nice to think SFC would stick up for small clubs like those in League One or example, should it find itself in a position to do so (ie, back in the Premier League).

I have briefly met Rupert Lowe in the past, and I have to say I didn't warm to him in the slightest, so to accuse me of being a 'mole' for him is quite frankly, ridiculous and is a conspiracy theory you seem to be inventing.

Other readers, such as Adrian or anyone else, are entitled to their opinions as much as you are. If you fail to respect that then you are not welcome to engage with the community that does wish to discuss issues and points raised in articles.

You can criticise or disagree what I write by all means, but make sure you criticise what I actually say rather that what you think I've said.

I think that's fair enough, don't you?

Finally, someone has complained about your user name including an expletive. I suggest you create a new account before I'm forced to suspend your current username due to the swearing in the handle.
Quite frankly, if you think this column in anyway bashes Saints or praises the former directors, you must be reading something else entirely. All this article is about is explaining why - in my opinion - Saints would be silly to expand the stadium any time soon. As for Saints 'being a small club' what I actually said was that Saints are never going to be as big as Manchester Utd, and that it would be nice to think SFC would stick up for small clubs like those in League One or example, should it find itself in a position to do so (ie, back in the Premier League). I have briefly met Rupert Lowe in the past, and I have to say I didn't warm to him in the slightest, so to accuse me of being a 'mole' for him is quite frankly, ridiculous and is a conspiracy theory you seem to be inventing. Other readers, such as Adrian or anyone else, are entitled to their opinions as much as you are. If you fail to respect that then you are not welcome to engage with the community that does wish to discuss issues and points raised in articles. You can criticise or disagree what I write by all means, but make sure you criticise what I actually say rather that what you think I've said. I think that's fair enough, don't you? Finally, someone has complained about your user name including an expletive. I suggest you create a new account before I'm forced to suspend your current username due to the swearing in the handle. Dan Kerins
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12:07pm Wed 7 Dec 11

AdrianSmith says...

echotalksb*****ks wrote:
well write something creditable then what's your problem writing articles about we shouldn't look any further than being a run of the mill club and shouldn't look to extending the stadium. And i don't remember picking a fight with anyone, as for trying to give credit to the former board is a joke. I would rather have a view from the northam where the passion is and the twelveth man, not from someone who sits in the chapel probably asking people to keep the noise down. It's no wonder cortese banned you lot you talk utter nonsense. It would be nice to have someone give the current set up some credit for making us a professional set up and also be positive. Your only saying I'm picking fights because I'm right and i picked out your ringer who defends the last board and you, its like lowes moles on the forums all over again its laughable. Adrian's arguements where my grammer and the work at the training ground i mean come on talk about clutching at straws and thats because you can't fault the club at the mo so why are you trying? how very weak the articles are trying to pick fault in the club, try reporting on the fantastic support we have and how ambitious the current set up are
Here's my retort:

I bet you also think the moon landings didn't happen....
[quote][p][bold]echotalksb*****ks[/bold] wrote: well write something creditable then what's your problem writing articles about we shouldn't look any further than being a run of the mill club and shouldn't look to extending the stadium. And i don't remember picking a fight with anyone, as for trying to give credit to the former board is a joke. I would rather have a view from the northam where the passion is and the twelveth man, not from someone who sits in the chapel probably asking people to keep the noise down. It's no wonder cortese banned you lot you talk utter nonsense. It would be nice to have someone give the current set up some credit for making us a professional set up and also be positive. Your only saying I'm picking fights because I'm right and i picked out your ringer who defends the last board and you, its like lowes moles on the forums all over again its laughable. Adrian's arguements where my grammer and the work at the training ground i mean come on talk about clutching at straws and thats because you can't fault the club at the mo so why are you trying? how very weak the articles are trying to pick fault in the club, try reporting on the fantastic support we have and how ambitious the current set up are[/p][/quote]Here's my retort: I bet you also think the moon landings didn't happen.... AdrianSmith
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1:02pm Thu 8 Dec 11

The Salv says...

The stadium is relatively easy to expand. It's like a lego block, the roof lifts off and you just add another tier.
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There was talk back in 2005 that if we could get 24k season ticket holders that we would add a tier to Northam and chapel, 4k on each end and raise the capacity to 40k.
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With the population of the city rising of which some will eventually be southampton fans (hopefully) it wouldnt be long before we needed to expand.
The stadium is relatively easy to expand. It's like a lego block, the roof lifts off and you just add another tier. . There was talk back in 2005 that if we could get 24k season ticket holders that we would add a tier to Northam and chapel, 4k on each end and raise the capacity to 40k. . With the population of the city rising of which some will eventually be southampton fans (hopefully) it wouldnt be long before we needed to expand. The Salv
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12:19pm Sat 10 Dec 11

mack chinnon says...

miltonarcher wrote:
MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move
When relocation was first raised the toys-r-us site was mentioned.
That would of been a great site.
[quote][p][bold]miltonarcher[/bold] wrote: MAdness to build the stadium in the centre of Southampton. The original site was perfect, right next to the motorway. Dont add seats to SMS...Move[/p][/quote]When relocation was first raised the toys-r-us site was mentioned. That would of been a great site. mack chinnon
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1:56pm Sat 10 Dec 11

Norwegian Saint says...

an embarrassment to Saints... Get him off. The worst keeper performance I have ever ever seen
an embarrassment to Saints... Get him off. The worst keeper performance I have ever ever seen Norwegian Saint
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4:01pm Sun 11 Dec 11

ctsaint says...

I have to say , being a saints fan since 1976 when I moved to soton aged 6 I do find the bashing of the old board quite strange???

They kept us in the 1 st division and then the Prem whilst overseeing the building of the new stadium .

We have a great academy , youth set up and ifastructure all inherited from them......

They spent money where it counts I.e invested in infrastructure, whilst keeping us in the top flight, no mean feat on gates of 15 k at The Dell....

They never leveraged the clubs future, the balancing act failed when we failed on the pitch and lost significant TV revenue.

The football world in the UK was run by ego driven local chairmen, many of them now operate in the lower leagues, few did as good a job as our board. They simply didn't have the cash to throw at Saints , Mike Ashley at Newcastle is worth hundreds of millions and even he is now small fry.

I have respect for the old board for giving us a foundation and not saddling us with unrealistic debts like our neighbours......that
s what made the club relatively easy to invest in and that's then potential seen by the new owners.

Consider that they purchased a club for around 20 m , including working cap.
Great stadium, great academy and great fan base, with no residual debt caused by a CVA.

By running the place as a business , signing the right players, doing business the right way , we will achieve our 5 year goals.

They have cash, how they structure the cash they put into SFC is down to tax I suspect, of course they loan money to the business and I suspect interest accrues to a trust with low or no tax liability.

They are in the top ten wealthiest owners of any UK club, but want to do things the Arsenal way.

The my have a brand of heavy engineering equipment but Leibher also sells White goods in Northern Europe.

A return to the Prem and possibly Europe would make for a great amount of publicity and Leibherr could even be shirt sponsors.......

Cortese is a proper CEO, this is a proper investment not a whim that Markus decided upon that is now aimlessly being followed out of respect by his family.

Rupert and friends were'nt all bad, they could have been much worse.....Leeds, Man City, Pompey.....how many clubs managed 28 years on our resources and built a foundation that allowed them to move forward?
I have to say , being a saints fan since 1976 when I moved to soton aged 6 I do find the bashing of the old board quite strange??? They kept us in the 1 st division and then the Prem whilst overseeing the building of the new stadium . We have a great academy , youth set up and ifastructure all inherited from them...... They spent money where it counts I.e invested in infrastructure, whilst keeping us in the top flight, no mean feat on gates of 15 k at The Dell.... They never leveraged the clubs future, the balancing act failed when we failed on the pitch and lost significant TV revenue. The football world in the UK was run by ego driven local chairmen, many of them now operate in the lower leagues, few did as good a job as our board. They simply didn't have the cash to throw at Saints , Mike Ashley at Newcastle is worth hundreds of millions and even he is now small fry. I have respect for the old board for giving us a foundation and not saddling us with unrealistic debts like our neighbours......that s what made the club relatively easy to invest in and that's then potential seen by the new owners. Consider that they purchased a club for around 20 m , including working cap. Great stadium, great academy and great fan base, with no residual debt caused by a CVA. By running the place as a business , signing the right players, doing business the right way , we will achieve our 5 year goals. They have cash, how they structure the cash they put into SFC is down to tax I suspect, of course they loan money to the business and I suspect interest accrues to a trust with low or no tax liability. They are in the top ten wealthiest owners of any UK club, but want to do things the Arsenal way. The my have a brand of heavy engineering equipment but Leibher also sells White goods in Northern Europe. A return to the Prem and possibly Europe would make for a great amount of publicity and Leibherr could even be shirt sponsors....... Cortese is a proper CEO, this is a proper investment not a whim that Markus decided upon that is now aimlessly being followed out of respect by his family. Rupert and friends were'nt all bad, they could have been much worse.....Leeds, Man City, Pompey.....how many clubs managed 28 years on our resources and built a foundation that allowed them to move forward? ctsaint
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