Saints and Titanic - the fabric of Southampton

Daily Echo: Titanic Titanic

FOOTBALL clubs are often upheld as vital parts of their local community, but it can be hard to pin down exactly what that means.

Perhaps it’s raising money for charity or maybe it’s sending coaches into schools to chat to youngsters.

It could just be the simple of act of being there, so that a community of like-minded individuals builds up around you.

The reason for this somewhat random question is that for the last few weeks I have found my life taken over by my work on the impact the sinking of Titanic had upon Southampton 100 years ago.

In the last few days, I’ve made public a list and map of all the crew members who came from Southampton, and it really does paint a stark picture of how big this event was (if you’re interested, you can find it at dailyecho.co.uk/titanic).

Admittedly, it’s not something that immediately screams football at you but in looking at what people were saying about the list, I stumbled across a discussion on a Saints fans site about what the club could do to mark the centenary in April.

Some argued that the club should do nothing at all. It’s an historic event with little or no impact upon people’s lives today and certainly had nothing to do with the club, other than a lot of those who died may have been to The Dell or The Antelope Ground to watch games.

I can see the point, but I think it fails to grasp the real matter at hand.

When Saints moved to St Mary’s in 2001, it was heralded as the club coming home, returning to its roots. A link with its history.

Well you can’t celebrate history and then ignore it at the same time.

The Titanic sinking was arguably the biggest thing to ever happen to Southampton.

Indeed, the very road that the stadium now sits on, Britannia Road, was home to three people who perished in the sinking.

It’s part of the fabric of the city, just as The Blitz, the docks, the walls and Southampton FC are.

We play Reading at St Mary’s on April 14, the very day the ship struck the iceberg and it will be the biggest gathering of people in the city that day.

I don’t know what the club have planned, if anything, but a simple minute’s silence and the flags at half-mast to commemorate the 547 souls from Southampton lost that day would be the perfect way to underline the fact that Southampton Football Club is not just a sport business, but a real part of the community of the city.

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3:33am Tue 14 Feb 12

miker1 says...

tot ally agree re 1 minutes silence at the match on 14th.april - suggest St.Marys management is made aware of the huge significance of the Titanic disaster to the City and encouraged to respond positively
tot ally agree re 1 minutes silence at the match on 14th.april - suggest St.Marys management is made aware of the huge significance of the Titanic disaster to the City and encouraged to respond positively miker1
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9:28am Tue 14 Feb 12

roofspace says...

Whilst I admire and appreciate everything Mr Cortese has done for the club (and Southampton as a whole) I don't think he has a grasp of the sense of history and depth of feeling associated with it. I mention this because of his treatment of our 2 club icons "Le God" & "Big Mac". If he can ignore and castigate them then what chance the "Titanic"?
I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.
Whilst I admire and appreciate everything Mr Cortese has done for the club (and Southampton as a whole) I don't think he has a grasp of the sense of history and depth of feeling associated with it. I mention this because of his treatment of our 2 club icons "Le God" & "Big Mac". If he can ignore and castigate them then what chance the "Titanic"? I sincerely hope he proves me wrong. roofspace
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12:55pm Tue 14 Feb 12

ed_rita says...

That would be very nice to have a moments silence at St.Marys On April 14th. My Grandmother lost her first husband on the Titanic and I remember her and the whole of Southampton coming to a standstill on Armistice Day each year.
Let's enjoy the game after remembering all the souls from Southampton that perished on the Titanic.
That would be very nice to have a moments silence at St.Marys On April 14th. My Grandmother lost her first husband on the Titanic and I remember her and the whole of Southampton coming to a standstill on Armistice Day each year. Let's enjoy the game after remembering all the souls from Southampton that perished on the Titanic. ed_rita
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9:23am Thu 16 Feb 12

chapelsaint says...

It would be a fitting tribite to those crew members, most of whom lived in the Chapel and Northam areas of the City and whose families suffered such bad times following the disaster.
It would be a fitting tribite to those crew members, most of whom lived in the Chapel and Northam areas of the City and whose families suffered such bad times following the disaster. chapelsaint
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10:37am Sun 19 Feb 12

St Retford says...

There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.
There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake. St Retford
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4:21pm Sun 19 Feb 12

COYR Ranger says...

miker1 wrote:
tot ally agree re 1 minutes silence at the match on 14th.april - suggest St.Marys management is made aware of the huge significance of the Titanic disaster to the City and encouraged to respond positively
I agree!
[quote][p][bold]miker1[/bold] wrote: tot ally agree re 1 minutes silence at the match on 14th.april - suggest St.Marys management is made aware of the huge significance of the Titanic disaster to the City and encouraged to respond positively[/p][/quote]I agree! COYR Ranger
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10:53am Mon 20 Feb 12

lowe esteem says...

St Retford wrote:
There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.
You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.[/p][/quote]You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion. lowe esteem
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4:52pm Mon 20 Feb 12

St Retford says...

lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote: There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.
You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion.
Sorry, but I just don't feel some massive emotional connection to the Titanic. It was - I believe I'm right in saying - almost a hundred years ago. No one alive can remember it and there aren't really any great lessons we can learn and need reminding of as is the case with armistice day.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.[/p][/quote]You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but I just don't feel some massive emotional connection to the Titanic. It was - I believe I'm right in saying - almost a hundred years ago. No one alive can remember it and there aren't really any great lessons we can learn and need reminding of as is the case with armistice day. St Retford
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5:12pm Thu 23 Feb 12

Allotment man 66 says...

roofspace wrote:
Whilst I admire and appreciate everything Mr Cortese has done for the club (and Southampton as a whole) I don't think he has a grasp of the sense of history and depth of feeling associated with it. I mention this because of his treatment of our 2 club icons "Le God" & "Big Mac". If he can ignore and castigate them then what chance the "Titanic"?
I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.
"Le God & "Big Mac"
Didn't sink with the loss of 1500 lives.
Mr Cortese is there to make sure the cub survives and is very successful, not pamper to people how got paid to do a job.( and was paid very well)
[quote][p][bold]roofspace[/bold] wrote: Whilst I admire and appreciate everything Mr Cortese has done for the club (and Southampton as a whole) I don't think he has a grasp of the sense of history and depth of feeling associated with it. I mention this because of his treatment of our 2 club icons "Le God" & "Big Mac". If he can ignore and castigate them then what chance the "Titanic"? I sincerely hope he proves me wrong.[/p][/quote]"Le God & "Big Mac" Didn't sink with the loss of 1500 lives. Mr Cortese is there to make sure the cub survives and is very successful, not pamper to people how got paid to do a job.( and was paid very well) Allotment man 66
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10:57am Mon 27 Feb 12

lowe esteem says...

St Retford wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
St Retford wrote: There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.
You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion.
Sorry, but I just don't feel some massive emotional connection to the Titanic. It was - I believe I'm right in saying - almost a hundred years ago. No one alive can remember it and there aren't really any great lessons we can learn and need reminding of as is the case with armistice day.
I take it you've moved to Manchester, hence you're feeling disconnected with home and chip-shouldered about Liverpool?
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: There are too many minute's silences in football these days. It devalues their significance. We're not scousers, for christ sake.[/p][/quote]You usually make some sense, and your comments sometimes contain humour, but not on this occasion.[/p][/quote]Sorry, but I just don't feel some massive emotional connection to the Titanic. It was - I believe I'm right in saying - almost a hundred years ago. No one alive can remember it and there aren't really any great lessons we can learn and need reminding of as is the case with armistice day.[/p][/quote]I take it you've moved to Manchester, hence you're feeling disconnected with home and chip-shouldered about Liverpool? lowe esteem
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3:07pm Wed 29 Feb 12

Norwegian Saint says...

Being over here I get asked a lot "where abouts in England are you from?"
I reply "Southampton".... blank look,
"Home of the Spitfire", slight nodding,
"Saints football team".... little recognition,
"Titanic".... "Oh God, yes, I know where it is!"

That shows that the Southampton name is still remembered for something 100 years ago. Black armbands please.
Being over here I get asked a lot "where abouts in England are you from?" I reply "Southampton".... blank look, "Home of the Spitfire", slight nodding, "Saints football team".... little recognition, "Titanic".... "Oh God, yes, I know where it is!" That shows that the Southampton name is still remembered for something 100 years ago. Black armbands please. Norwegian Saint
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8:52pm Fri 9 Mar 12

west_side says...

Firstly the game has been moved to Friday 13th April, probably to avoid a clash with any events that are planned for the commemoration of the sinking of the Titanic on the 14th.
I do think some sort of recognition by the club would be a nice tribute to make but as has been said, there are too many minute silences, which does devalue them. As it's not a 'football event', i don't think the club will have a silence.
Firstly the game has been moved to Friday 13th April, probably to avoid a clash with any events that are planned for the commemoration of the sinking of the Titanic on the 14th. I do think some sort of recognition by the club would be a nice tribute to make but as has been said, there are too many minute silences, which does devalue them. As it's not a 'football event', i don't think the club will have a silence. west_side
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4:18pm Sun 11 Mar 12

huggleman says...

To quote a line in the article... "Some argued that the club should do nothing at all. It’s an historic event with little or no impact upon people’s lives today and certainly had nothing to do with the club" my argument against this is neither of the wars impact peoples lives today or the club but we still show respect to it. People with this type of mentality make me sick and disgusted with the way people today have gone and this coming from a 26 year old really says something!
To quote a line in the article... "Some argued that the club should do nothing at all. It’s an historic event with little or no impact upon people’s lives today and certainly had nothing to do with the club" my argument against this is neither of the wars impact peoples lives today or the club but we still show respect to it. People with this type of mentality make me sick and disgusted with the way people today have gone and this coming from a 26 year old really says something! huggleman
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