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SEVERE gales are set to batter Hampshire's coastal areas again today.
Hurricane force winds, driving rain and spring high tides brought widespread flooding to coastal areas of the county yesterday.
And there was chaos on the roads, rail networks and at Southampton docks where operations were suspended due to high winds.
Now Met Office bosses have warned of a repeat of the dismal conditions with winds due to gust up to 60 mph tonight.
And the weather is expected to get even worse by the early hours of the morning when rain arrives.
Yesterday, a gust of 95 mph was recorded at the Needles off the Isle of Wight - just shy of the highest ever for the south coast, which was clocked at 103 mph during the storm of 1987.
At Southampton, sea levels reached record highs when spring tides combined with strong winds.
A number of schools across Hampshire were closed for the day due to power cuts while waterside properties were flooded and sea walls breached along the coast.
9:39am Tuesday 11th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Al Gore on 10:29am Tue 11 Mar 08
Hampshire needs to purchase more carbon credits if a repeat of this bad weather is to be avoided.
Ignore 1987 - that was a natural occurance.
Hampshire needs to purchase more carbon credits if a repeat of this bad weather is to be avoided.
Ignore 1987 - that was a natural occurance.
Posted by: Ian, Turkey on 10:57am Tue 11 Mar 08
Surely all weather is a natural occurance.
I, for one, do not get sucked in by all this human accelerated climate change.
That is just an excuse to raise taxes under the green issue.
The weather has a history of change going back over thousands and billions of years.
What caused the changes back then?
Surely all weather is a natural occurance.
I, for one, do not get sucked in by all this human accelerated climate change.
That is just an excuse to raise taxes under the green issue.
The weather has a history of change going back over thousands and billions of years.
What caused the changes back then?
Posted by: Know it all, Southampton on 11:21am Tue 11 Mar 08
Ian you're right, all weather is a natural occurance including heavy winds and rain. Anyone saying anything different obviously never had a proper education.
Ian you're right, all weather is a natural occurance including heavy winds and rain. Anyone saying anything different obviously never had a proper education.
Posted by: Adrian Smith on 11:24am Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Know it all[/bold] wrote:
Ian you're right, all weather is a natural occurance including heavy winds and rain. Anyone saying anything different obviously never had a proper education. [/quote] Best let the Government know. An increasing amount of the tax take is based upon climate related concerns. Before long we will simply have Climate Accelerated Taxation.
Know it all wrote:
Ian you're right, all weather is a natural occurance including heavy winds and rain. Anyone saying anything different obviously never had a proper education.
Best let the Government know. An increasing amount of the tax take is based upon climate related concerns. Before long we will simply have Climate Accelerated Taxation.
Posted by: GL, Hants on 12:24pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Since the beginning of time the climate has been changing.
Climate change IS a natural occurance and, while I am not saying we should waste precious resources, we do not have the power to stop nature moving forward.
What we can do, of course, is stop building houses on natural flood plains and start cleaning out water drains on a regular basis as happened 20 or 30 years ago.
However, I did find it rather strange in Hythe yesterday when I saw sandbags being delivered to local businesses by, I presume, council officials.
The sand was sealed in ... waterproof plastic bags. How can the sand absorb the water? The water would just flow through and over the plastic covering!
Maybe the businesses were meant to fill traditional absorbent bags with the sand, but if so, no one had told them to do this or, presumably, had not provided the cloth bags.
As such, the businesses I saw just had pile of sand packed in polythene bags around their entrances. Would love to have seen what could have happened if water levels had risen!
Since the beginning of time the climate has been changing.
Climate change IS a natural occurance and, while I am not saying we should waste precious resources, we do not have the power to stop nature moving forward.
What we can do, of course, is stop building houses on natural flood plains and start cleaning out water drains on a regular basis as happened 20 or 30 years ago.
However, I did find it rather strange in Hythe yesterday when I saw sandbags being delivered to local businesses by, I presume, council officials.
The sand was sealed in ... waterproof plastic bags. How can the sand absorb the water? The water would just flow through and over the plastic covering!
Maybe the businesses were meant to fill traditional absorbent bags with the sand, but if so, no one had told them to do this or, presumably, had not provided the cloth bags.
As such, the businesses I saw just had pile of sand packed in polythene bags around their entrances. Would love to have seen what could have happened if water levels had risen!
Posted by: Gorey Al on 12:45pm Tue 11 Mar 08
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change.
Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented.
I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you.
Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot!
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change.
Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented.
I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you.
Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot!
Posted by: ride-on, at home on 12:47pm Tue 11 Mar 08
In The New Forest we have had water logged fields, gale force winds, hail and heavy rain for days but did that stop council putting men on mowers to cut the grass on the council estate?
Did it F###
In The New Forest we have had water logged fields, gale force winds, hail and heavy rain for days but did that stop council putting men on mowers to cut the grass on the council estate?
Did it F###
Posted by: ian, Turkey on 1:17pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Gorey Al[/bold] wrote:
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change. Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented. I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you. Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot![/quote] I have heard, probably along with many others,recent news reports about the worst weather for 50, or 60 years etc etc.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what caused these weather problems, which I hasten to add, is before all the reasons given now.
Gorey Al wrote:
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change. Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented. I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you. Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot!
I have heard, probably along with many others,recent news reports about the worst weather for 50, or 60 years etc etc.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what caused these weather problems, which I hasten to add, is before all the reasons given now.
Posted by: Anne Understatement, Rumsey on 1:27pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Gosh, at least with all this wind the washing will get drier quicker. If it didn't rain.
It's enough to make you sing.."rain, rain go away, please come back when we have a drought. Or something.
Gosh, at least with all this wind the washing will get drier quicker. If it didn't rain.
It's enough to make you sing.."rain, rain go away, please come back when we have a drought. Or something.
Posted by: GL on 3:37pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Gorey Al writes "the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented"
So he was there from the beginning of time watching all these climate changes slowly unfold was he?
Nothing can be described as "unprecedented" when we have no knowledge of whether the climate has changed with similar speed in the past.
And I'm talking of millions of years here ... but then, Gorey Al will be able to correct me on the precise length of time it has taken for the world to cool down and heat up again since the beginning of time!
I may be a scientific cynic, but at least I enjoy life rather than worry about what might or might not happen!
Gorey Al writes "the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented"
So he was there from the beginning of time watching all these climate changes slowly unfold was he?
Nothing can be described as "unprecedented" when we have no knowledge of whether the climate has changed with similar speed in the past.
And I'm talking of millions of years here ... but then, Gorey Al will be able to correct me on the precise length of time it has taken for the world to cool down and heat up again since the beginning of time!
I may be a scientific cynic, but at least I enjoy life rather than worry about what might or might not happen!
Posted by: Just a thought on 3:40pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Apparently scientific research proves that cow pooh gives off more harmful gases than many 21st century industries.
Oh well, guess I've better go and shoot the cow ...
Apparently scientific research proves that cow pooh gives off more harmful gases than many 21st century industries.
Oh well, guess I've better go and shoot the cow ...
Posted by: Im a, flower on 3:53pm Tue 11 Mar 08
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong?
Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong?
Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.
Posted by: Im a, Flower on 3:56pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Im a[/bold] wrote:
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.[/quote] I didn't make any sense then!!
But I think all you intelligent people can prob work it out!
Sorry working and posting at the same time!
Im a wrote:
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.
I didn't make any sense then!!
But I think all you intelligent people can prob work it out!
Sorry working and posting at the same time!
Posted by: Christoff on 4:23pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[bold][quote]How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change.[/bold] [/quote]
Maybe because most of the research was commissioned by Government bodies who have a vested interest in making sure everybody believes what they say? Maybe because any scientists that offered research that contradicted the status quo had funding removed and/or were removed from the panel of scientists used?
How can you seriously believe research that has been 'created' under such biased and corrupt conditions??
Ok, I am not saying that we shouldn't try our best to reduce unnecessary waste, recycle etc but the whole 'end of the world caused by man's activity' is sci-fi at best or thousands of years away at worst.
The planet will be fine for your children and their children.
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change.
Maybe because most of the research was commissioned by Government bodies who have a vested interest in making sure everybody believes what they say? Maybe because any scientists that offered research that contradicted the status quo had funding removed and/or were removed from the panel of scientists used?
How can you seriously believe research that has been 'created' under such biased and corrupt conditions??
Ok, I am not saying that we shouldn't try our best to reduce unnecessary waste, recycle etc but the whole 'end of the world caused by man's activity' is sci-fi at best or thousands of years away at worst.
The planet will be fine for your children and their children.
Posted by: Christoff on 4:27pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Im a[/bold] wrote:
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.[/quote] you would rather pay extra taxes for nothing? I'm so shocked I can't say anything else
Im a wrote:
it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.
you would rather pay extra taxes for nothing? I'm so shocked I can't say anything else
Posted by: GL, Hants on 5:46pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Im a[/bold] wrote: it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.[/quote] you would rather pay extra taxes for nothing? I'm so shocked I can't say anything else[/quote] I hope Alastair Darling isn't reading this. Wouldn't want to give him any ideas. After all, it's the budget tomorrow and we might all have to pay 25% extra for nothing!
Christoff wrote:
Im a wrote: it makes sense to work with the environment we live than work against. Any anyway what if all your cynics are wrong? Personally I would prefer to pay extra taxes for nothing than not, and destroy our planet for the sake of a four wheel drive car and a plastic bag.
you would rather pay extra taxes for nothing? I'm so shocked I can't say anything else
I hope Alastair Darling isn't reading this. Wouldn't want to give him any ideas. After all, it's the budget tomorrow and we might all have to pay 25% extra for nothing!
Posted by: Wills, soton on 7:10pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Messianic truth. The more you repeat it the truer it becomes. Whilst most of the world has experienced cooling and colder weather recently (look at the facts) those green desciples only speak of areas where warming (over a relative short period) has occurred. The last mini ice age ended sometime in the late 19th century. Thankfully the wilder the claims become (the we are all doomed scenario) the more people will begin to see through this latest religion.
Messianic truth. The more you repeat it the truer it becomes. Whilst most of the world has experienced cooling and colder weather recently (look at the facts) those green desciples only speak of areas where warming (over a relative short period) has occurred. The last mini ice age ended sometime in the late 19th century. Thankfully the wilder the claims become (the we are all doomed scenario) the more people will begin to see through this latest religion.
Posted by: wills, soton on 7:43pm Tue 11 Mar 08
Oops, delete- desiples -insert Deciples.
Oops, delete- desiples -insert Deciples.
Posted by: Old Git, Southampton on 7:50pm Tue 11 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Gorey Al[/bold] wrote:
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change. Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented. I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you. Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot![/quote] '...the wealth of scientific research and evidence...'? Ha! I am a scientist who spent several years reviewing the 'scientific' literature on the kind of crap you've obviously been so naive to accept uncritically. So-called anthropogenic climate change is one of the biggest swindles of all time. It's nothing more than an abuse of science and public trust. If the governments of this world need to generate extra cash, I wish they'd be open and simply raise income tax. I don’t appreciate being treated as if I were an ignorant d*ckhead.
Gorey Al wrote:
How can people seriously ignore the wealth of scientific research and evidence that points towards man accelerating climate change. Yes, the planet goes through climate changes naturally over the coarse of hundreds of years, but the speed of recent changes are unprecedented - and the direct link from mans waste to accelerated climate change is well documented. I wish I could agree with the sceptics, believe that man is having no affect on this planet, believe that it's just a ruse by the government to reap more taxes, that would be the preferred option for me I can assure you. Then I would not have to be concerned about what state we are going to leave this planet in for my children, grand children, etc. We refer to ourselves as the 'consumer generation' (with India and China etc catching us up), but maybe future generations will have a less polite term for us lot!
'...the wealth of scientific research and evidence...'? Ha! I am a scientist who spent several years reviewing the 'scientific' literature on the kind of crap you've obviously been so naive to accept uncritically. So-called anthropogenic climate change is one of the biggest swindles of all time. It's nothing more than an abuse of science and public trust. If the governments of this world need to generate extra cash, I wish they'd be open and simply raise income tax. I don’t appreciate being treated as if I were an ignorant d*ckhead.
Posted by: paul b on 10:12pm Tue 11 Mar 08
I took delivery of a 4.5 litre 4x4 at the start of march, is this extra pollution causing the freaky weather at the mo?
I took delivery of a 4.5 litre 4x4 at the start of march, is this extra pollution causing the freaky weather at the mo?
Posted by: Duh, soton on 11:19pm Tue 11 Mar 08
This planet will do what it does best.
DO IT'S OWN THING
No matter what we do we cannot stop its path.
Just enjoy life the way we know it. Let nature take its own actions.
Global warming and all this rubbish. Who was to blame for previous ice ages before man was even heard of?
It's all rubbish. Any excuse to tax items that are a so called threat.
World leaders will end this world before nature does GUARANTEED
This planet will do what it does best.
DO IT'S OWN THING
No matter what we do we cannot stop its path.
Just enjoy life the way we know it. Let nature take its own actions.
Global warming and all this rubbish. Who was to blame for previous ice ages before man was even heard of?
It's all rubbish. Any excuse to tax items that are a so called threat.
World leaders will end this world before nature does GUARANTEED
Posted by: Wills, soton on 5:19am Wed 12 Mar 08
Duh, summed it up, "enjoy life as we know it" - so what if a cow farts, it used to be known as country air, now it has become life threatening pollution, the latest one, stop wearing a tie to work and save the planet. Don't ask !
Duh, summed it up, "enjoy life as we know it" - so what if a cow farts, it used to be known as country air, now it has become life threatening pollution, the latest one, stop wearing a tie to work and save the planet. Don't ask !
Posted by: Robert on 11:46am Wed 12 Mar 08
Congratulations on your flawlessly written article, Julian Robinson.
Congratulations on your flawlessly written article, Julian Robinson.
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