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Wotton the character Saints need
9:11am Thursday 19th June 2008
Comments (86)
By Adam Leitch »
MARK Wotte believes the capture of Paul Wotton is another step in the right direction as Saints aim to blend youth and experience for the new Championship season.
An experienced spine to the team under Jan Poortvliet is quickly becoming clearer with the signings of centre half Chris Perry and defensive central midfielder Wotton.
Add to that the capture of exciting young winger Lee Holmes and it would seem Saints will aim for a solid base down the middle around which to play their youngsters in a possible 4-3-3 formation with the emphasis very much on attack.
"We are happy to have him aboard,"
said academy director Wotte, one of the new management team at St Mary's.
Watch a video interview of Paul Wotton and Mark Wotte - click here
"As I have discussed with Jan Poortvliet, the head coach, we will have a lot of young players but we also need some players that have seen it all before.
"We need strong characters on and off the field.
"It's very important that we have some players in the team that can be very strong at difficult times.
"We're very happy with Paul.
"We think he's a great character, a good holding midfielder who has shown his quality already for Plymouth and good from set-pieces, so we're happy to have him aboard."
He added: "We will have some young players with little or no experience at all, so we will have to blend it all together as a good team.
"You cannot play with 11 youngsters, that's not our goal, you have to make a good team.
"In fact it's not about age it's about quality and if the mentality and the quality is OK then I think we will have a strong team."
Wotton admitted that he is ready for a change.
The 30-year-old has spent his entire career at Plymouth, making over 400 appearances in 14 years, but was immediately attracted by a move to Saints.
"Look around at the training ground and the stadium and it's second to none," he said when asked why he had chosen Saints.
"There's the history of the club as well and I've got a young family so the area of Southampton as well to bring my children up in is a nice area.
See today's Daily Echo for the full story
Your Say YourEcho
Rocker268, Hampshire says...
10:18am Thu 19 Jun 08
Missing wrote:Am I missing something? He's a defender or Defensive Midfield player who I reckon will add some direction to the team, his record for Plymouth is good and if he is fully fit I reckon a good member of the team, I am really looking forward to Claus' testimonial now especially as Svensson and Claus should be there playing for a few mins
Goalkeeper?????????
Deano, LONDON says...
10:33am Thu 19 Jun 08
I am begining to feel a bit better. A few more good players coming in might give us a puch for a top six.
Alpine Saint, says...
10:37am Thu 19 Jun 08
WE NEED A CB.
BURLEY OUT!!!!!!!!!
BURLEY OUT!!!!!!!!!
Lowe Out, Lowe Out says...
10:39am Thu 19 Jun 08
Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe in, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out.
John, Southampton says...
10:42am Thu 19 Jun 08
Alpine Saint wrote:Spanner!
WE NEED A CB. BURLEY OUT!!!!!!!!!
jannersaint, Plymuff says...
10:45am Thu 19 Jun 08
Say what you want about Wotton. No team with him in it will roll over. After last season what more could we want. Him, Davies and Perry are a solid foundation. He might not have been right for Plymouth but they are not lacking defensive players. Wotton will be a crowd favorite, even makes me want to get a name on my shirt for the first time ever.
Major Sir Jerry Pending, Winchester says...
10:50am Thu 19 Jun 08
Lots of great stories coming out of the ever productive Rupert spin machine these days in order to condition the fans before the really bad news is announced - i.e. which players are on their way! Just make sure you keep Andrews Davies & Surman Mssrs L & W!
milton road, alicante says...
10:50am Thu 19 Jun 08
The side that got promotion in 1978 had the youngest midfield and the oldest attack in the country. All the stars had gone including Mr. Channon, who returned later. The new guys on the pitch and managing need a chance. They haven't done anything wrong and are not the cause of this situation. I am hoping they maybe the start of the cure. We are crucifying people who haven't pulled on a shirt or run the line. Give them a little time.
Alpine Saint, CB Patrol says...
10:51am Thu 19 Jun 08
jannersaint wrote:Wierdo, we have as about much pace at the back as a Yugo.
Say what you want about Wotton. No team with him in it will roll over. After last season what more could we want. Him, Davies and Perry are a solid foundation. He might not have been right for Plymouth but they are not lacking defensive players. Wotton will be a crowd favorite, even makes me want to get a name on my shirt for the first time ever.
We need a CB
Burley out!
Saint 4 life, southampton says...
10:54am Thu 19 Jun 08
hold your horses people... He hasn't even played in a red and white shirt yet!! I remember the Pessimism on hear towards Andrew Davies
Tell it like it is, says...
11:00am Thu 19 Jun 08
Saint 4 life wrote:Andrew Davies is utter garbage thou.
hold your horses people... He hasn't even played in a red and white shirt yet!! I remember the Pessimism on hear towards Andrew Davies
Essruu, Taxi says...
11:04am Thu 19 Jun 08
I have had him in the back of my cab and I feel he will be big!!
StuRomseySaint, Chubby Chasing says...
11:10am Thu 19 Jun 08
Essruu wrote:How big? 25 stone +, if so im there.
I have had him in the back of my cab and I feel he will be big!!
Plastic Saint, Another Reality says...
11:20am Thu 19 Jun 08
StuRomseySaint wrote:I have had Stu and Essruu and they are nothing special, unlike me!
Essruu wrote: I have had him in the back of my cab and I feel he will be big!!How big? 25 stone +, if so im there.
Pancake, says...
11:21am Thu 19 Jun 08
Plastic Saint wrote:Dont make me give you an infraction for no reason other than me believing im great.
StuRomseySaint wrote:I have had Stu and Essruu and they are nothing special, unlike me!Essruu wrote: I have had him in the back of my cab and I feel he will be big!!How big? 25 stone +, if so im there.
I like squirrels.
Alpine 'Lowe Luvvie' Saint, Portsmouth says...
11:24am Thu 19 Jun 08
Pancake wrote:Have you graduated from Gerbils
Plastic Saint wrote:Dont make me give you an infraction for no reason other than me believing im great. I like squirrels.StuRomseySaint wrote:I have had Stu and Essruu and they are nothing special, unlike me!Essruu wrote: I have had him in the back of my cab and I feel he will be big!!How big? 25 stone +, if so im there.
Gay Saint, Docks, Soton says...
11:26am Thu 19 Jun 08
Please can we get this thread back on topic and talk about our new signing. Thank you.
TheSaintsFc, Spamming Mod No#1 says...
11:29am Thu 19 Jun 08
Gay Saint wrote:Ill move it to The Lounge then, im a wibbler.
Please can we get this thread back on topic and talk about our new signing. Thank you.
billy 2 baps, Waiting for my whistle says...
11:41am Thu 19 Jun 08
Tell it like it is wrote:TW@T Go back to your tin shed POOPEY BOY
Saint 4 life wrote: hold your horses people... He hasn't even played in a red and white shirt yet!! I remember the Pessimism on hear towards Andrew DaviesAndrew Davies is utter garbage thou.
redarmy, Southampton says...
11:45am Thu 19 Jun 08
Tell it like it is wrote:you sad lilttle p3nis. you want attention eh?
Saint 4 life wrote:Andrew Davies is utter garbage thou.
hold your horses people... He hasn't even played in a red and white shirt yet!! I remember the Pessimism on hear towards Andrew Davies
you must be thick as shat if you think Andrew Davies is "garbage"
Tell it like it is, eh? says...
11:47am Thu 19 Jun 08
redarmy wrote:Are you Canadian, eh?
Tell it like it is wrote:you sad lilttle p3nis. you want attention eh? you must be thick as shat if you think Andrew Davies is "garbage"Saint 4 life wrote: hold your horses people... He hasn't even played in a red and white shirt yet!! I remember the Pessimism on hear towards Andrew DaviesAndrew Davies is utter garbage thou.
He is over-rated, this season he will be shown up. Eh?
Maxwell, Overseas Saint says...
11:51am Thu 19 Jun 08
Lowe Out wrote:I've been wondering you can't be a true Saints fan. If you are, you won't here dishing out naive comments like this.
Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe in, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out.
This really is a time for all true Saints fans to stick together & give full backing to the team regardless. It is so sad to see these kind of comments from so called Saints fans!
Marc, southampton says...
11:54am Thu 19 Jun 08
Will you lot give it a rest with the lowe our rubbish. it's getting very tiresome and its not gonna happen. why dont you get behind the team instead of moaning. All 3 signings so far have been good, that is the bottom line, for once we are bringing in some talent.
GET BEHIND THE TEAM OR SHUT UP!
GET BEHIND THE TEAM OR SHUT UP!
Lowe Out, Lowe Out says...
11:59am Thu 19 Jun 08
Maxwell wrote:I have been a saints fan for 42 years.
Lowe Out wrote: Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe in, Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe Out.I've been wondering you can't be a true Saints fan. If you are, you won't here dishing out naive comments like this. This really is a time for all true Saints fans to stick together & give full backing to the team regardless. It is so sad to see these kind of comments from so called Saints fans!
Lowe Out, Lowe Out, Lowe In.
Help, says...
12:08pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Am I the only one who sees a skinny guy wearing a cardigan?
allsaintsnocurves, southampton says...
12:22pm Thu 19 Jun 08
There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won't guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation.
Playoffs are still an outside bet...
Playoffs are still an outside bet...
Mr lucky frog, says...
12:32pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Ric Flair for manager!bold]
John B, Bitterne says...
12:48pm Thu 19 Jun 08
allsaintsnocurves wrote:I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish .
There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won't guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...
WE dont know what players have been retained.
Ben Durutti, Shirley says...
12:54pm Thu 19 Jun 08
The one player we have to keep this summer is Andrew Davies.
Saint, says...
1:03pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John B wrote:So it just the name you go after.
allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it!
You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual.
Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?
John B, Bitterne says...
1:12pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Saint wrote:I am glad that we finally agree .
John B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
My last sentenance relates to the fact that all the news coming out of St Mary's is relatively good.
However if we longer have Davies Davis John Saga Skacel Rasiak Surman Safri and Viafara that would put a different complexion on things.
I am assumming Wright Powell and Ostlund have gone
Jason, Salisbury says...
1:36pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Don't know much about this guy, but wouldn't get too worried about track records or where he's come from.
Last season showed that players who work well in this division aren't necessarily the ones you'd rate most highly.
For instance, two of our best players at the end of last season were an aging Sheffield Utd reserve (in a season they were doing poorly) and an aging Luton defender (in a season they got relegated to League 2 even without the points deduction).
Dean Windass and Nicky Barnby are just another couple of good examples and who'd have bet on Stern John being prolific after reserve spells with Sunderland and Coventry to name but a few?
Like I say, I don't know much about him, but I'll give him every chance, especially as we'll know he's not bleeding the club dry on inflated wages.
Last season showed that players who work well in this division aren't necessarily the ones you'd rate most highly.
For instance, two of our best players at the end of last season were an aging Sheffield Utd reserve (in a season they were doing poorly) and an aging Luton defender (in a season they got relegated to League 2 even without the points deduction).
Dean Windass and Nicky Barnby are just another couple of good examples and who'd have bet on Stern John being prolific after reserve spells with Sunderland and Coventry to name but a few?
Like I say, I don't know much about him, but I'll give him every chance, especially as we'll know he's not bleeding the club dry on inflated wages.
Mickey Mouse, Disney World says...
1:38pm Thu 19 Jun 08
I think I am the character you need.
I am better then most...no all the team.
I am better then most...no all the team.
Saint, says...
1:45pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John B wrote:I am glad too.
Saint wrote:I am glad that we finally agree . My last sentenance relates to the fact that all the news coming out of St Mary\'s is relatively good. However if we longer have Davies Davis John Saga Skacel Rasiak Surman Safri and Viafara that would put a different complexion on things. I am assumming Wright Powell and Ostlund have goneJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
Now your sentance makes sense, and yes this is true. Though personal I would get rid of Davis, as too often he is a liability! There are other better goalkeepers out there, possibily in Holland. Bart is better goalkeeper, and I would even try to court Niemi to come back. He is looking to leave Fulham.
Not to create a argument with you. But in a earlier post by you. You put Viafara as useless and to go along with some others, and I said no to Viafara. So dose this mean now you rate him and wish to keep him?
Ric Flair, says...
1:47pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Woooooooo
John B, Bitterne says...
1:49pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Saint wrote:
John B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
My position regarding the current situation is
Lowe is a better bet than Crouch in getting us out of our current financial situation.
Lowe is unpopular with large sections of the fan base but we will have to live with it.
We should give our support to Lowe and Wilde
I see us in the Championship for the foreseeable
Future and unlikely to reach the play offs
But if we get relegated it will not be a disaster
The way forward is with bringing on the Academy Boys.
There is a risk with the Dutch coaches but they should be given a chance.
And has been consistent as well as my comments about getting rid of Burley last autumn
I only post on JB I think you may be confusing me with someone else
Ric Flair, says...
2:04pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Ric Flair wrote:I did not post this comment, someone has posted under my name and i will find out where they live whoever it is
Woooooooo
John B, Bitterne says...
2:09pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Saint wrote:I think Davis is OK he played well since Xmas.
John B wrote:I am glad too. Now your sentance makes sense, and yes this is true. Though personal I would get rid of Davis, as too often he is a liability! There are other better goalkeepers out there, possibily in Holland. Bart is better goalkeeper, and I would even try to court Niemi to come back. He is looking to leave Fulham. Not to create a argument with you. But in a earlier post by you. You put Viafara as useless and to go along with some others, and I said no to Viafara. So dose this mean now you rate him and wish to keep him?Saint wrote:I am glad that we finally agree . My last sentenance relates to the fact that all the news coming out of St Mary\\\'s is relatively good. However if we longer have Davies Davis John Saga Skacel Rasiak Surman Safri and Viafara that would put a different complexion on things. I am assumming Wright Powell and Ostlund have goneJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\\\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
I went to Suffolk last weekend where a number of Ipswich fans thought he was good too.
I do not think Bart is a better goalkeeper than Davis.
Niemi is excellent but I would have thought his wages would be too high
Dont remember commenting on Viafara but thought he did not play as well last season as he can.
Saint, says...
2:22pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John B wrote:No I am not confusing you with anyone. This would be impossible.
Saint wrote:My position regarding the current situation is Lowe is a better bet than Crouch in getting us out of our current financial situation. Lowe is unpopular with large sections of the fan base but we will have to live with it. We should give our support to Lowe and Wilde I see us in the Championship for the foreseeable Future and unlikely to reach the play offs But if we get relegated it will not be a disaster The way forward is with bringing on the Academy Boys. There is a risk with the Dutch coaches but they should be given a chance. And has been consistent as well as my comments about getting rid of Burley last autumn I only post on JB I think you may be confusing me with someone elseJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
You was for Viafara going and now you changed which you do alot.
Lowe is only better in one way and that is he will keep a very tight ship finacial. For the record I never liked Crouch, but I tried to keep this apart. Though in the buissness and the footballing world, this is not the most prudent way to go about things all the time, especially if you wish to progress.
Staying in this fizzy league is also not a option as it will cause more finacial woe, and also the Dynamic Dutch duo have said exactly the same.
Seymour Sneer, eastleigh says...
2:39pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Hey everyone, This is no word of a lie, i am currently on a break in Italy and in the papers it says that saints have almost completed the signing of Christian Vieri and that he is in England sorting out Terms!!!!!!!!!! Not bad if this is true!!!!
John, Salisbury says...
2:46pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Saints will be relegated by xmas. Signing a journeyman who isn't good enough for Plymouth, unfortunately that's what it has come down too.
Just wait a few weeks until we start releasing and selling players, Viafara, Rasiak, BWP, Dyer, Ostlund, Idiakez, Powell (okay no great loss!) Surman, Safri
Just wait a few weeks until we start releasing and selling players, Viafara, Rasiak, BWP, Dyer, Ostlund, Idiakez, Powell (okay no great loss!) Surman, Safri
Stefano Rigiloso, says...
2:48pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Seymour Sneer wrote:I heard Jan Koller and Carsten Jancker will be winging there way also.
Hey everyone, This is no word of a lie, i am currently on a break in Italy and in the papers it says that saints have almost completed the signing of Christian Vieri and that he is in England sorting out Terms!!!!!!!!!! Not bad if this is true!!!!
John B, Bitterne says...
2:56pm Thu 19 Jun 08
Saint wrote:Unfortunately staying in the Championship is an option because with the players we have challenging for promotion I would have thouht would be highly unlikely.
John B wrote:No I am not confusing you with anyone. This would be impossible. You was for Viafara going and now you changed which you do alot. Lowe is only better in one way and that is he will keep a very tight ship finacial. For the record I never liked Crouch, but I tried to keep this apart. Though in the buissness and the footballing world, this is not the most prudent way to go about things all the time, especially if you wish to progress. Staying in this fizzy league is also not a option as it will cause more finacial woe, and also the Dynamic Dutch duo have said exactly the same.Saint wrote:My position regarding the current situation is Lowe is a better bet than Crouch in getting us out of our current financial situation. Lowe is unpopular with large sections of the fan base but we will have to live with it. We should give our support to Lowe and Wilde I see us in the Championship for the foreseeable Future and unlikely to reach the play offs But if we get relegated it will not be a disaster The way forward is with bringing on the Academy Boys. There is a risk with the Dutch coaches but they should be given a chance. And has been consistent as well as my comments about getting rid of Burley last autumn I only post on JB I think you may be confusing me with someone elseJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
I think whatever players wee keep will be entirely down to Finance
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3:03pm Thu 19 Jun 08
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saint adam, sholing says...
3:05pm Thu 19 Jun 08
i think it is not a bad signing in the current climate as we cant afford to spend much buying players or on their wages-beggars cant be choosers! but i do seem to remember reading that we tried to sign him a few years back, maybe lowe found his scouting file in the recycle bin??
i would like to see us sign a player who link the midfield and attack as i feel that sort of player was missing last year, maybe darren huckerby, who (lowe you will like this bit) unless i missed it (been on holiday) is still availible on a free
i feel that we can lose powell, wright, idiakez(good player but never quite cut it for us), davis (bart is good enough even after the sh**ter he had against palace last year), jesus(sorry, please dont tell your dad!!), safri (now we have wotton).
i think we should try and keep surman(p**s of skates), dyer (ditto, i think he will come good this year and play well in the same team as holmes), defo rasiak (lazy-yes, ugly-yes, 20 goals this season-yes)
thoughts........
i would like to see us sign a player who link the midfield and attack as i feel that sort of player was missing last year, maybe darren huckerby, who (lowe you will like this bit) unless i missed it (been on holiday) is still availible on a free
i feel that we can lose powell, wright, idiakez(good player but never quite cut it for us), davis (bart is good enough even after the sh**ter he had against palace last year), jesus(sorry, please dont tell your dad!!), safri (now we have wotton).
i think we should try and keep surman(p**s of skates), dyer (ditto, i think he will come good this year and play well in the same team as holmes), defo rasiak (lazy-yes, ugly-yes, 20 goals this season-yes)
thoughts........
Al, says...
3:17pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John wrote:How on earth is this new guy Wotton a journeyman?
Saints will be relegated by xmas. Signing a journeyman who isn't good enough for Plymouth, unfortunately that's what it has come down too. Just wait a few weeks until we start releasing and selling players, Viafara, Rasiak, BWP, Dyer, Ostlund, Idiakez, Powell (okay no great loss!) Surman, Safri
He has only played for Plymouth throughout his 14 year career!
This guy knows how to be loyal, which is something Saints really need from there players to be perfectly honest.
Saint, says...
3:17pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John B wrote:No Davis was not. Bart is far better, he just had a crazy spell, and everyone hanging on that.You watch him this coming season. Davis cost us too many points! He also put too much uncertainy in our defenders!!
Saint wrote:I think Davis is OK he played well since Xmas. I went to Suffolk last weekend where a number of Ipswich fans thought he was good too. I do not think Bart is a better goalkeeper than Davis. Niemi is excellent but I would have thought his wages would be too high Dont remember commenting on Viafara but thought he did not play as well last season as he can.John B wrote:I am glad too. Now your sentance makes sense, and yes this is true. Though personal I would get rid of Davis, as too often he is a liability! There are other better goalkeepers out there, possibily in Holland. Bart is better goalkeeper, and I would even try to court Niemi to come back. He is looking to leave Fulham. Not to create a argument with you. But in a earlier post by you. You put Viafara as useless and to go along with some others, and I said no to Viafara. So dose this mean now you rate him and wish to keep him?Saint wrote:I am glad that we finally agree . My last sentenance relates to the fact that all the news coming out of St Mary\\\\\\\'s is relatively good. However if we longer have Davies Davis John Saga Skacel Rasiak Surman Safri and Viafara that would put a different complexion on things. I am assumming Wright Powell and Ostlund have goneJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
Niemi wages would not be that great. He is a very down to earth person, and if we paid him alittle more than last time, he would be worth every penny and every point he would give us.
You made a list of players to be rid off as useless, and one of them was Viafara and we argued this one out, and you would not budge back then, but it seems you have now.
Saint, says...
3:22pm Thu 19 Jun 08
John B wrote:Set your sights to achieve!
Saint wrote:Unfortunately staying in the Championship is an option because with the players we have challenging for promotion I would have thouht would be highly unlikely. I think whatever players wee keep will be entirely down to FinanceJohn B wrote:No I am not confusing you with anyone. This would be impossible. You was for Viafara going and now you changed which you do alot. Lowe is only better in one way and that is he will keep a very tight ship finacial. For the record I never liked Crouch, but I tried to keep this apart. Though in the buissness and the footballing world, this is not the most prudent way to go about things all the time, especially if you wish to progress. Staying in this fizzy league is also not a option as it will cause more finacial woe, and also the Dynamic Dutch duo have said exactly the same.Saint wrote:My position regarding the current situation is Lowe is a better bet than Crouch in getting us out of our current financial situation. Lowe is unpopular with large sections of the fan base but we will have to live with it. We should give our support to Lowe and Wilde I see us in the Championship for the foreseeable Future and unlikely to reach the play offs But if we get relegated it will not be a disaster The way forward is with bringing on the Academy Boys. There is a risk with the Dutch coaches but they should be given a chance. And has been consistent as well as my comments about getting rid of Burley last autumn I only post on JB I think you may be confusing me with someone elseJohn B wrote:So it just the name you go after. This is all I said in the recent pass, and you knocked it. Now under a different name you accept it! You have no consistancey, and you really showen again you do not fully read or understand posters as usual. Apart from stating the obvious! What your point on your last sentence?allsaintsnocurves wrote: There is a lot of optimism coming from some quarters and whilst I hope this proves to be the case...this is not going to be a quick fix. These youngsters are not going to take the whole division by storm, and we have not exactly unearthed the best coach in the game. Lets remember that....these players would have been in the first team by now if they were that good. Getting a few more older players around them too won\\\'t guarantee success. This is just all we can do in our situation. Playoffs are still an outside bet...I totally agree I would be happy with a top ten finish . WE dont know what players have been retained.
Set them low and you will achieve failure.
Missing, says...
10:09am Thu 19 Jun 08