at last! Someone talking sense instead of all the hysterical guff and new age twaddle that usually surrounds this subject. Anyone with half a brain could see how improbable it would be for other life forms (assuming they exist) to travel such distances.
Now all we're waiting for is the geeks to come out and say, well, of course, we don't know just how advanced their civilisation is and they might have have developed to such an extent that they could do so..... Losers. Wild speculation is not the answer to everything, you know....

Of course they exist. Have you not seen Doctor Who?

The echo lost the plot when they showed the Kite as a space ship.The reporter was just an idiot attention seeking to make the news................
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helsbels wrote:
The echo lost the plot when they showed the Kite as a space ship.The reporter was just an idiot attention seeking to make the news................
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Actually, they just said it was an unidentified flying object - not a spaceship. You made that leap yourself.

And when it was finally identified, it wasn't a kite, either.

We can't assume that all aliens have the same technology/scientifi
c knowledge as us. There might be civilisations out there far more advanced, who can (for example) bend space, travel faster than light, navigate wormholes/balack holes, and thus travel huge apparent distances in short periods of observed time. Everything is relative. In this universe, there is nothing but possibilities.

Did no one else see the orange lights over holbury last night? we counted 12, one every 40 seconds, time 11.45pm. be interesting to see if anyone else did see these lights or has an explanation as to what they were.

Gilmore wrote:
We can't assume that all aliens have the same technology/scientifi
c knowledge as us. There might be civilisations out there far more advanced, who can (for example) bend space, travel faster than light, navigate wormholes/balack holes, and thus travel huge apparent distances in short periods of observed time. Everything is relative. In this universe, there is nothing but possibilities.

Sadly that's not true Gilmore. Physics and mathematics are unversal. One interpretation of Eintein's special theory is that as you get "faster" you get "heavier" so you need more energy. You can get close to light speed but to travel AT light speed you either need all the energy in the universe OR have zero mass (weight). The wormhole thing is one of those theoretical quantum things but if they do exist they are about as wide as an electron, and again you get the energy paradox. You are right about the relative observation thing but the real benefit is proportional to the energy expended so you need to do the equivalent of burning up a star system to really really travel between stars in less than millennia. The reality of the above is that if we are visited (and we may be one day) it will be by machine intelligence. Dyson engines that are built to replicate themselves for instance. Machines can travel for millions of years across the voids quite happily and easily. Us lifeforms are a bit more delicate.

john wrote:
Did no one else see the orange lights over holbury last night? we counted 12, one every 40 seconds, time 11.45pm. be interesting to see if anyone else did see these lights or has an explanation as to what they were.

Dear john, the lights were spaceships looking for fuel. once they saw the price they soon cleared off.

Do you no a space ship from Uranus?

As for 'no aliens' they,ve not met my mother in law! they do exist!

we have flasing orange lights in the small market town of Dursley, Glos all the time - 3 sets of pedestrian crossings within 150 yards of one another - now that is truly unbelievable.

Geoff - when looking up at those lights - careful you don't step in a puddle !

Andy, I know I'm just quoting theories from pop-science Hawking books, but what about exotic matter holding wormholes open, negative mass and energy, anti-matter, dark matter? I read that there was an investigation at CERN where their new particle accelerator had to be properly researched in case it created mini black holes and destroyed the world. Physics may be universal, but we don't know enough to say that our understanding of physics is universal.

Yep good point. There's still a lot of theorising going on. I'd say that the greatest thing the Hadron Collider will do for us is "prove" the existence of the Higgs boson, which will enable us to finally link gravity to the standard model and then we'll be a whole lot closer to the ultimate truth. I don;t know if Hawking mentioned Higgs but I expect he would have done. However I don't think even that will tell us anything about how to get us across long distances more quickly. I must check out the mini black hole theory just in case I have to pack in a hurry :-)

Maybe 'aliens' are living amongst us in another dimension?

Good stuff quoted above but we are tethered by our own frailty when it comes to using our brains.

Hawking & co are brilliant but have been influenced by what they have read mixed with 'thoughts' and theories.

Doubt if we'll ever know our real purpose on this planet - or is it a Matrix??

Today's experts are tomorrow's blind fools.

Here's that report:

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/sci/tech/7468
966.stm

Not sure who they found that was qualified enough to ensure a Large Hadron Collider was not theoretically going to transform us all into strange matter or swallow existence. I can just imagine a bloke in a hard hat and a high-vis jacket checking the welding and saying it's all good to go.

King Mush, never a truer post was submitted to these boards. About Hawking and co, rather than the aliens living among us in parallel dimensions. Then again, I'm not ruling that out either :D

so with our limited comprehension of space this bloke can safely say:

"There is no way that life forms from another planet, if such exist, could have already visited us on Earth."

i'm impressed he fully understands what Alien technology could be like....

Nod wrote:
so with our limited comprehension of space this bloke can safely say:

"There is no way that life forms from another planet, if such exist, could have already visited us on Earth."

i'm impressed he fully understands what Alien technology could be like....

Where do you get the idea that "this bloke's" comprehension of space is so limited? Yours may be if you can't understand logic and reason when it is given to you but at least give him some credit - Physicists have progressively developed mankind's understanding from the time of Newton over 300 years ago. A simple view through a mass spectrometer on Hubble will tell you that the physics and chemistry on a distant star are the same as our own, and hence the problems of travel will be exactly the same. The laws of chemistry also will be the same on Andromeda as they are here so although there may well be little green men there is a good chance they are going to be carbon based just as we are - (though ammonia-based life has some interesting possibilities) but you can't just assume that the universe is like Star Trek - it isn't! Dr Kaiser may not know what an alien looks like but he is absolutely right in telling you how hard it would be for that alien to travel here. Try re-reading some earlier posts to unbderastand why.

Last night (Friday 4 July) between about 11pm and midnight my husband and I both saw at least 10 bright orange lights moving across the sky over Fawley oil refinery. They appeared at intervals of about a minute and followed the same "flight path" from the south to the north-west. They were below cloud level and constantly visible, moving at a greater speed than aircraft. Did anyone else see them? I have just scrolled up and read John's report and am very interested to read that someone else did see these lights over Holbury - still no explanation though.

Val wrote:
Last night (Friday 4 July) between about 11pm and midnight my husband and I both saw at least 10 bright orange lights moving across the sky over Fawley oil refinery. They appeared at intervals of about a minute and followed the same \"flight path\" from the south to the north-west. They were below cloud level and constantly visible, moving at a greater speed than aircraft. Did anyone else see them? I have just scrolled up and read John\'s report and am very interested to read that someone else did see these lights over Holbury - still no explanation though.

Chinese sky lanterns. They were released every five microseconds at Glastonbury:

http://www.skylanter

ns.co.uk/

glad someone else saw the lights, thanks gilmore have checked the sky lanterns and have to admit they look very much like what i saw. darn it thought my mates from outer space had finally come to visit

Andy wrote:

Nod wrote:
so with our limited comprehension of space this bloke can safely say:

"There is no way that life forms from another planet, if such exist, could have already visited us on Earth."

i'm impressed he fully understands what Alien technology could be like....

Where do you get the idea that "this bloke's" comprehension of space is so limited? Yours may be if you can't understand logic and reason when it is given to you but at least give him some credit - Physicists have progressively developed mankind's understanding from the time of Newton over 300 years ago. A simple view through a mass spectrometer on Hubble will tell you that the physics and chemistry on a distant star are the same as our own, and hence the problems of travel will be exactly the same. The laws of chemistry also will be the same on Andromeda as they are here so although there may well be little green men there is a good chance they are going to be carbon based just as we are - (though ammonia-based life has some interesting possibilities) but you can't just assume that the universe is like Star Trek - it isn't! Dr Kaiser may not know what an alien looks like but he is absolutely right in telling you how hard it would be for that alien to travel here. Try re-reading some earlier posts to unbderastand why.

I'm sorry... I'm sure 200 years ago scientists thought they knew absolutely everything.

Think of all the rules and 'laws' that have changed.

It's extremely ignorant to think we know everything and believe we know is right.

No, that is completely wrong. Serious scientists 200 years ago just as today would never say that unless coerced, and have not since the Renaissance and I would challenge you to back that up with evidence rather than just spouting it as though it is true.
It may have last been true in the Renaissance - usually by those hoping to find favour with Catholic orthodoxy of the time.....or save their own lives.
Since Newton, Science has usually been a progressive refinement based on evidence and experiment and yes we now have laws. It doesn't mean there isn't more to learn but those laws remain. And yes there have been errors of judgement or interpretation, such as Lord Kelvin's assessment of the age of the earth but these tend to be small obstacles in the overall flow of understanding, not fundamental U Turns. I would never say that we knew everything but we know enough to know that Einstein's Special Theory in the main is correct. If you want to take the uninformed position that "We can never know everything, therefore anything is possible" then you probably need to go and join David Icke's supporters for some cosy speculation. But if you want to have a serious scientific discussion then stop belittling what you clearly can't be bothered to understand

Do some research folks. Aliens can be millions of years ahead of us and yes it is possible to travel faster then light and it´s possible for a type 3 civilisation to come to earth. Don´t listen to oldschool scientists like this guy who still live in the eighties.