Only the unions will fight for equal society

Daily Echo: Only the unions will fight for equal society Only the unions will fight for equal society

YET again we are harangued with a plethora of wished-for fanciful misinformation by Richard Grant (Letters, January 7).

The wages and conditions enjoyed by our emergency services were hard fought for, and won by their unions, the only organisations that fairly represent them.

Nothing is mentioned of all the powerful employers’ organisations that have bottomless pits of wealth which is used to oppose the betterment of workers’ conditions.

It should be borne in mind that if we are ever to achieve a more equitable society, rather than the one we have which allows the gap between rich and poor to continually widen, it is only the unions that are there to fight for it.

His statement, oft repeated, in the light of disavowal by the Bank of England, the IMF that Labour ruined the economy is disingenuous.

His lavish approbation of the ‘wealthy sector’ ignores the fact that it was these very people by their profligate manipulation of the country’s financial institutions that caused the problem.

A fact also borne out by the above-mentioned institutions and the culprits are still lining their pockets, whilst the ordinary working public are suffering, and picking up the bill of their greed.

A bill by its terms of settlement is vicious in the extreme, bedroom tax, a never-ending attack on every aspect of a decent society, and his party, the Liberals, fully support it. As a previous reader said, who in their right mind would want to vote Liberal?

D. R. SMITH, Southampton.

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10:19pm Tue 21 Jan 14

geoff51 says...

Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country?
They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power.
They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate.
Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country? They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power. They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate. geoff51
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8:48am Wed 22 Jan 14

Linesman says...

geoff51 wrote:
Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country?
They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power.
They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate.
Presumably you don't think that big business and The City do not run the Tory Party.

Other than a couple of businesses started by Quaker families, can you tell me any other company that has improved the lot of their employees without there being intervention and pressure from unions?

Tories would have you believe that they believe in the Merit system. If you are good enough, you can reach the top. Strange how, in their organisation, the only ones with merit went to Eaton, Harrow or some public school.

Are unions perfect?

Of course they are not. This was brought to light in the 60s with the ETU scandal. This was caused by the apathy of union membership where they joined for the protection it gave, but could not be bothered to vote for their union representatives, and they got dedicated Reds in positions of power.

This did cause a re-think and a tightening up on union procedures, but it is still the case that many union members do not take an active interest, but are just prepared to pay their dues.

You say, "they think they pull the strings of the Labour party."

If you were to take an interest in history, you would be well aware that the Labour party has its roots in the union movement. Take a trip to Tolpuddle one day, and learn a bit about its history.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country? They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power. They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate.[/p][/quote]Presumably you don't think that big business and The City do not run the Tory Party. Other than a couple of businesses started by Quaker families, can you tell me any other company that has improved the lot of their employees without there being intervention and pressure from unions? Tories would have you believe that they believe in the Merit system. If you are good enough, you can reach the top. Strange how, in their organisation, the only ones with merit went to Eaton, Harrow or some public school. Are unions perfect? Of course they are not. This was brought to light in the 60s with the ETU scandal. This was caused by the apathy of union membership where they joined for the protection it gave, but could not be bothered to vote for their union representatives, and they got dedicated Reds in positions of power. This did cause a re-think and a tightening up on union procedures, but it is still the case that many union members do not take an active interest, but are just prepared to pay their dues. You say, "they think they pull the strings of the Labour party." If you were to take an interest in history, you would be well aware that the Labour party has its roots in the union movement. Take a trip to Tolpuddle one day, and learn a bit about its history. Linesman
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9:37am Wed 22 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

I often disagree with Linesmen's posts but, on this occasion I think he has put forward a sensible and reasonede viewpoint.
In the past I have been a Union member and Rep as well as subsequently having to deal with Union representation from a managerial perspective.
Before Thatcher unions were too powerful and did harm to this country's economy and that was evident to the majority of moderate Union members who, unfortunately, did little to dilute the power of a minority of politically motivated union leaders.
Unfortunately the pendulum has swung too far the other way in recent years and the excesses of some senior managers (especially in the bigger companies) has been nothing short of criminal at times.
There needs to be a balance but, unfortunately this is hard to achieve and often only comes after disruption or direct action which none of us would want
I often disagree with Linesmen's posts but, on this occasion I think he has put forward a sensible and reasonede viewpoint. In the past I have been a Union member and Rep as well as subsequently having to deal with Union representation from a managerial perspective. Before Thatcher unions were too powerful and did harm to this country's economy and that was evident to the majority of moderate Union members who, unfortunately, did little to dilute the power of a minority of politically motivated union leaders. Unfortunately the pendulum has swung too far the other way in recent years and the excesses of some senior managers (especially in the bigger companies) has been nothing short of criminal at times. There needs to be a balance but, unfortunately this is hard to achieve and often only comes after disruption or direct action which none of us would want phil maccavity
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2:35pm Wed 22 Jan 14

aldermoorboy says...

In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes.
In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes. aldermoorboy
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3:22pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Southampton council workers had a pay cut enforced on them by the intransigence of the unions & the failure for those unions to negotiate & to come up with a plan with the then Tory council which could have seen little or no effect on jobs or services in this city.
these unions wouldn't talk 5 plans & 5 amendments were put to them but they said "hit the banks"?.
they had an ulterior motive & that was to get rid of the elected Tory council so even at ACAS they would not talk.
Then we have one of these unions through it's actions nearly seeing Grangemouth shut.
At Southampton the very people these unions got to strike nearly 1-10 lost their jobs but luckily the Tories had applied for a grant to keep weekly collections & we got it saving refuse jobs.
but not thwarted the Labour council slashed jobs & services that were save under the Tories & these were low paid jobs not high paid jobs so what was the unions actions then?
they did not strike or work to rule instead they continued with legal action even though the pay was restored?
they are now having high earners rewarded with 1.9% pay rises each year for the next three years is that really what the unions were formed to do?
wasn't saving jobs anything to do with unions policies?
Southampton council workers had a pay cut enforced on them by the intransigence of the unions & the failure for those unions to negotiate & to come up with a plan with the then Tory council which could have seen little or no effect on jobs or services in this city. these unions wouldn't talk 5 plans & 5 amendments were put to them but they said "hit the banks"?. they had an ulterior motive & that was to get rid of the elected Tory council so even at ACAS they would not talk. Then we have one of these unions through it's actions nearly seeing Grangemouth shut. At Southampton the very people these unions got to strike nearly 1-10 lost their jobs but luckily the Tories had applied for a grant to keep weekly collections & we got it saving refuse jobs. but not thwarted the Labour council slashed jobs & services that were save under the Tories & these were low paid jobs not high paid jobs so what was the unions actions then? they did not strike or work to rule instead they continued with legal action even though the pay was restored? they are now having high earners rewarded with 1.9% pay rises each year for the next three years is that really what the unions were formed to do? wasn't saving jobs anything to do with unions policies? loosehead
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4:43pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes.
It is the unions, for example, that are trying to save the NHS while it has always been the Tory aim to get it back into the private sector.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes.[/p][/quote]It is the unions, for example, that are trying to save the NHS while it has always been the Tory aim to get it back into the private sector. Linesman
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5:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes.
..... and your view is based on what exactly ......
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: In my view, unions will destroy jobs in this country in the future if they don't understand business and the need to compete, lets hope they change for all our sakes.[/p][/quote]..... and your view is based on what exactly ...... Lone Ranger.
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5:40pm Wed 22 Jan 14

From the sidelines says...

"The wages and conditions enjoyed by our emergency services were hard fought for, and won by their unions, the only organisations that fairly represent them.

Nothing is mentioned of all the powerful employers’ organisations that have bottomless pits of wealth which is used to oppose the betterment of workers’ conditions"

The point you're missing, Mr D R Spart, is that the employers of the emergency services are the general public, the tax payers. Union agitation in the 'nationalised industries' was responsible for making Britain the 'sick man of Europe' not so very long ago.
"The wages and conditions enjoyed by our emergency services were hard fought for, and won by their unions, the only organisations that fairly represent them. Nothing is mentioned of all the powerful employers’ organisations that have bottomless pits of wealth which is used to oppose the betterment of workers’ conditions" The point you're missing, Mr D R Spart, is that the employers of the emergency services are the general public, the tax payers. Union agitation in the 'nationalised industries' was responsible for making Britain the 'sick man of Europe' not so very long ago. From the sidelines
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6:09pm Wed 22 Jan 14

loosehead says...

was it not the unions who fought to remove private patients from NHS wards so losing the NHS of a valuable income?
isn't the NHS now taking in private pensions?
the situation caused by the unions & some staff saw consultants finishing a days work for the NHS to then work in private hospitals making the consultant & the private hospital money the same money the NHS use to get before the actions by the unions & it's members.
When the unions were formed was it so a leader of the Seamans Union could stab his members in the back & get a free holiday from the cruise companies?
John Prescott that so called socialist did a deal with the cruise lines to allow Foreign workers on British registered ships so sounding the death knell foe British seamen/women good Unions looking after the needs of it's members pull the other one will you.
before you all rip into me answer this question "Why did Southampton Dockers hang John Prescott over the side of the dock wall threatening to drop him into the water?
was it not the unions who fought to remove private patients from NHS wards so losing the NHS of a valuable income? isn't the NHS now taking in private pensions? the situation caused by the unions & some staff saw consultants finishing a days work for the NHS to then work in private hospitals making the consultant & the private hospital money the same money the NHS use to get before the actions by the unions & it's members. When the unions were formed was it so a leader of the Seamans Union could stab his members in the back & get a free holiday from the cruise companies? John Prescott that so called socialist did a deal with the cruise lines to allow Foreign workers on British registered ships so sounding the death knell foe British seamen/women good Unions looking after the needs of it's members pull the other one will you. before you all rip into me answer this question "Why did Southampton Dockers hang John Prescott over the side of the dock wall threatening to drop him into the water? loosehead
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1:17pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Linesman says...

It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'. Linesman
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2:57pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Linesman says...

From the sidelines wrote:
"The wages and conditions enjoyed by our emergency services were hard fought for, and won by their unions, the only organisations that fairly represent them.

Nothing is mentioned of all the powerful employers’ organisations that have bottomless pits of wealth which is used to oppose the betterment of workers’ conditions"

The point you're missing, Mr D R Spart, is that the employers of the emergency services are the general public, the tax payers. Union agitation in the 'nationalised industries' was responsible for making Britain the 'sick man of Europe' not so very long ago.
By the same token, as the government is elected by the people, for the people, don't you think that those running the nationalised industries should have been far better employers than they were? In many cases they left a lot to be desired.

The mines were nationalised, and the miners went on strike, not necessarily for more wages, but for better conditions, especially with regard to pit safety.

The railways were decimated under Beeching, and for the past few years there have been attempts to repair that damage. Beeching was NOT a union man!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: "The wages and conditions enjoyed by our emergency services were hard fought for, and won by their unions, the only organisations that fairly represent them. Nothing is mentioned of all the powerful employers’ organisations that have bottomless pits of wealth which is used to oppose the betterment of workers’ conditions" The point you're missing, Mr D R Spart, is that the employers of the emergency services are the general public, the tax payers. Union agitation in the 'nationalised industries' was responsible for making Britain the 'sick man of Europe' not so very long ago.[/p][/quote]By the same token, as the government is elected by the people, for the people, don't you think that those running the nationalised industries should have been far better employers than they were? In many cases they left a lot to be desired. The mines were nationalised, and the miners went on strike, not necessarily for more wages, but for better conditions, especially with regard to pit safety. The railways were decimated under Beeching, and for the past few years there have been attempts to repair that damage. Beeching was NOT a union man! Linesman
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5:02pm Thu 23 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader? loosehead
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7:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
Prescott was a sad reflection on the Labour Party and should never had been allowed to progress as far as he did.
As for him being hung over the side of the Dock. If this pearl of wisdom had come from Southy we would have all laughed.
It never happened!!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]Prescott was a sad reflection on the Labour Party and should never had been allowed to progress as far as he did. As for him being hung over the side of the Dock. If this pearl of wisdom had come from Southy we would have all laughed. It never happened!! phil maccavity
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9:10pm Thu 23 Jan 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
Prescott was a sad reflection on the Labour Party and should never had been allowed to progress as far as he did.
As for him being hung over the side of the Dock. If this pearl of wisdom had come from Southy we would have all laughed.
It never happened!!
sorry Phil my uncle & cousin were of a family of dockers called the Whites & they were there at the time so yes it did happen.
Also try looking back through articles & several ex dockies have also said it happened so please don't label me as Southy.
I only post about subjects I or my family have some history in.
Oh! I also worked at Hibberts in the new docks as a junior clerk & before that rode through the docks as a messenger boy & saw many events taking place(hidings) that never have been printed or talked about all actions by militant dockies
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]Prescott was a sad reflection on the Labour Party and should never had been allowed to progress as far as he did. As for him being hung over the side of the Dock. If this pearl of wisdom had come from Southy we would have all laughed. It never happened!![/p][/quote]sorry Phil my uncle & cousin were of a family of dockers called the Whites & they were there at the time so yes it did happen. Also try looking back through articles & several ex dockies have also said it happened so please don't label me as Southy. I only post about subjects I or my family have some history in. Oh! I also worked at Hibberts in the new docks as a junior clerk & before that rode through the docks as a messenger boy & saw many events taking place(hidings) that never have been printed or talked about all actions by militant dockies loosehead
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1:26pm Fri 24 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Loose
What year did this happen and what was Prescott doing in the Docks?
Loose What year did this happen and what was Prescott doing in the Docks? phil maccavity
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2:01pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact. Linesman
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3:33pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union loosehead
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6:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Loosehead
From my part, I don't doubt you personally but, as Linesman, mentioned, it may be the quality of your information that requires qulaification.
I have a keen interest in local history and would love to have this story verified.
However I know a lot of port employees through my research and have never had a sniff of this story.
However I have heard any number of other interesting stories some of which have been verified, others likely to be figment of fertile imaginations.
I also once read Hunter Davies biography of John Prescott (who I have to say is not one of my favourite people for any number of reasons) and I don't recollect any mention of this incident in there.
Loosehead From my part, I don't doubt you personally but, as Linesman, mentioned, it may be the quality of your information that requires qulaification. I have a keen interest in local history and would love to have this story verified. However I know a lot of port employees through my research and have never had a sniff of this story. However I have heard any number of other interesting stories some of which have been verified, others likely to be figment of fertile imaginations. I also once read Hunter Davies biography of John Prescott (who I have to say is not one of my favourite people for any number of reasons) and I don't recollect any mention of this incident in there. phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

7:51pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking. Linesman
  • Score: 1

8:37pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.[/p][/quote]so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them loosehead
  • Score: -1

11:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them
Did you bother to read what I wrote?

What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim?

What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere.

If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks.

If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place.

What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives?

I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.[/p][/quote]so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them[/p][/quote]Did you bother to read what I wrote? What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim? What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere. If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks. If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place. What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives? I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn. Linesman
  • Score: 1

7:14am Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them
Did you bother to read what I wrote?

What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim?

What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere.

If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks.

If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place.

What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives?

I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.
I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners.
unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15.
I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth.
Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.[/p][/quote]so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them[/p][/quote]Did you bother to read what I wrote? What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim? What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere. If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks. If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place. What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives? I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.[/p][/quote]I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners. unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15. I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth. Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party? loosehead
  • Score: -1

8:46am Sat 25 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them
Did you bother to read what I wrote?

What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim?

What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere.

If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks.

If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place.

What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives?

I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.
I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners.
unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15.
I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth.
Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party?
No, I do not expect you to carry a camera around with you, but I do wonder why it is that, with an event like this, which has obviously made a great impression, you cannot recall where or when it happened.

With so many people in the area who worked in the docks, many of them family members, and as you worked there, former colleagues, some of whom I assume you may still be in contact with, nobody has come on here to substantiate the story, and you appear unable to find out any details.

I think that you believe the story to be true, which is why you keep repeating it. However, don't you think it strange that nobody has supported that claim?

Do you honestly think that every reader is a John Prescott fan?

You have claimed that you have researched, but despite this research, you have not come up with a time or place.

I think that someone, who probably knew your political outlook, was pulling your leg when they spun that yarn, and you believed it and repeated it IN GOOD FAITH

I REPEAT

IN GOOD FAITH.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.[/p][/quote]so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them[/p][/quote]Did you bother to read what I wrote? What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim? What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere. If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks. If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place. What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives? I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.[/p][/quote]I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners. unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15. I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth. Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party?[/p][/quote]No, I do not expect you to carry a camera around with you, but I do wonder why it is that, with an event like this, which has obviously made a great impression, you cannot recall where or when it happened. With so many people in the area who worked in the docks, many of them family members, and as you worked there, former colleagues, some of whom I assume you may still be in contact with, nobody has come on here to substantiate the story, and you appear unable to find out any details. I think that you believe the story to be true, which is why you keep repeating it. However, don't you think it strange that nobody has supported that claim? Do you honestly think that every reader is a John Prescott fan? You have claimed that you have researched, but despite this research, you have not come up with a time or place. I think that someone, who probably knew your political outlook, was pulling your leg when they spun that yarn, and you believed it and repeated it IN GOOD FAITH I REPEAT IN GOOD FAITH. Linesman
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9:03am Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city?
sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager .
At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?
As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it.

I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.
I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs.
My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk.
Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me?
why didn't you two fire these questions at them?
When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party?
Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union
I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim.

You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time.

You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them.

I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.
so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them
Did you bother to read what I wrote?

What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim?

What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere.

If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks.

If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place.

What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives?

I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.
I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners.
unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15.
I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth.
Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party?
No, I do not expect you to carry a camera around with you, but I do wonder why it is that, with an event like this, which has obviously made a great impression, you cannot recall where or when it happened.

With so many people in the area who worked in the docks, many of them family members, and as you worked there, former colleagues, some of whom I assume you may still be in contact with, nobody has come on here to substantiate the story, and you appear unable to find out any details.

I think that you believe the story to be true, which is why you keep repeating it. However, don't you think it strange that nobody has supported that claim?

Do you honestly think that every reader is a John Prescott fan?

You have claimed that you have researched, but despite this research, you have not come up with a time or place.

I think that someone, who probably knew your political outlook, was pulling your leg when they spun that yarn, and you believed it and repeated it IN GOOD FAITH

I REPEAT

IN GOOD FAITH.
i was a ardent Labour supporter when I was 15-18 & it was in the new docks just past what was a canteen often used by dockies.
I'm now 57 so sorry I can't give you specific dates but to ask my uncle & cousin would be hard as both of them are now dead.
Let me ask you do you believe John Prescott sold out our sea men or persons?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]It was at the time he sold out his own Union members & was well known how long have you lived in this city? sister in law working for Cunard(office) two brothers father & a few cousins working on board cruise ships all but my sister in law lost their jobs thanks to Prescott & my Sis in law had to pass on the telex from Prescott to her manager . At that time he was not deputy leader of the Labour Party & how many reporters chase around a fat Union leader?[/p][/quote]As you do not appear to give a time and place that this alleged event took place, I would have thought that as so many of your family were associated with the maritime industry at the time, you would have been able to check with them. I am sure that, as some of them lost their jobs, they would be able to put a time to it. I am NOT accusing you of telling an untruths, but do think that it is possible that you may well have been told an untruth, and accepted it as fact.[/p][/quote]I was between 15-17 & yes all my family who worked on board ships lost their jobs. My Fathers dead, one of my brothers committed suicide, the remaining brother who worked on board the Ocean Monarch is a lot like you if you don't agree with his politics/point of view he won't either talk to you or he'll hit you& as he was a union official ( to get what he wanted) we don't see eye to eye so don't talk. Linesman as I know you've been part of this website for a few years I know you must have read several posts where ex dockers have said this happened so why are you & Phil doubting me? why didn't you two fire these questions at them? When did the corrupt Union Official become deputy leader of the Labour Party? Look back & see when British registered ships were allowed by the Sea mens union to use Foreign workers & see who was the leader of the Sea Mens Union[/p][/quote]I can honestly say that you are the only person that I know of that has made this claim. You have made this claim on other posts, not just this story, and they would have been read by many people, many of whom would not be members of the John Prescott Appreciation Society, and yet none of them have confirmed the story or given a date and time. You say that ex-dockers have used this media saying that this happened, and you ask why Phil and I did not question them. I cannot speak for Phil, but you are the only person that I have seen make the claim, and I am Surprised that these ex-dockers have not come to your aid and provided you with the information that you appear to be lacking.[/p][/quote]so blind as well.Again I don't make up stories I try to tell of events I've witnessed or I've researched into so if once again you are doubting what I'm saying is the truth Tough go & ask a seaman what they thought of Prescotts betrayel of them[/p][/quote]Did you bother to read what I wrote? What did you understand that I meant when I stated that you were the only person that I had known make that claim? What have you got to say about Phil, who has also not heard of that claim from any other source, and can find no trace of it being reported elsewhere. If you witnessed this event, then I assume that you would know where and when it took place - although I can't recall you ever saying that you worked in the docks. If you have discovered it through research, then I would have thought that research would have shown you the time and place. What seaman do you suggest I ask? Would it be one of your relatives? I do not doubt that you honestly believe what you have said, but as I have never heard the story from another source and Phil has not and there has nobody who has come on here to back up what you say, I cannot help but come to the conclusion that someone has been feeding you a typical Sailor's yarn.[/p][/quote]I told you I worked for Hibberts which is next to Rank Hovis & was opposite Solent Canners. unless I carried a camera around I couldn't prove any of the things I've witnessed but I can say I was once chased as I saw two men beating another after a vote to strike was defeated & I was only 15. I worked for Southern Ship Stores & would ride either a bicycle or later a scooter through both docks now if Phil thinks I sound like Southy then he should look at my posts which he has agreed with many to see I try to tell only the truth but with you I give up as you just don't want to hear the truth. Do you think it was right for Prescott after his Union posts & the selling out of our sea men/crews should have been deputy leader of the Labour Party?[/p][/quote]No, I do not expect you to carry a camera around with you, but I do wonder why it is that, with an event like this, which has obviously made a great impression, you cannot recall where or when it happened. With so many people in the area who worked in the docks, many of them family members, and as you worked there, former colleagues, some of whom I assume you may still be in contact with, nobody has come on here to substantiate the story, and you appear unable to find out any details. I think that you believe the story to be true, which is why you keep repeating it. However, don't you think it strange that nobody has supported that claim? Do you honestly think that every reader is a John Prescott fan? You have claimed that you have researched, but despite this research, you have not come up with a time or place. I think that someone, who probably knew your political outlook, was pulling your leg when they spun that yarn, and you believed it and repeated it IN GOOD FAITH I REPEAT IN GOOD FAITH.[/p][/quote]i was a ardent Labour supporter when I was 15-18 & it was in the new docks just past what was a canteen often used by dockies. I'm now 57 so sorry I can't give you specific dates but to ask my uncle & cousin would be hard as both of them are now dead. Let me ask you do you believe John Prescott sold out our sea men or persons? loosehead
  • Score: -1

11:51am Sat 25 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!). phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

12:07pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84? loosehead
  • Score: -1

3:43pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Is this your idea of research - asking someone who has already stated that they had never heard of the John Prescott incident that you have been banging on about?

You gave the impression in your post timed at 08:37 on Friday 24th that you had witnessed the event. Didn't you make any friends at the time who could verify your claim?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Is this your idea of research - asking someone who has already stated that they had never heard of the John Prescott incident that you have been banging on about? You gave the impression in your post timed at 08:37 on Friday 24th that you had witnessed the event. Didn't you make any friends at the time who could verify your claim? Linesman
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Sat 25 Jan 14

phil maccavity says...

loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally loosehead
  • Score: -1

9:46pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

geoff51 wrote:
Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country?
They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power.
They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate.
I don't recall the bankers being elected to ruin the country either
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: Why is it that unelected unions think they have the right to ruin this country? They managed to destroy the motor industry, they closed down the coal industry, they think they pull the strings of the Labour party when they made a total mess of this country when in power. They have no place in modern life and have outlived their original mandate.[/p][/quote]I don't recall the bankers being elected to ruin the country either Inform Al
  • Score: 1

9:58pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Inform Al says...

Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
Have to correct you here.My claim to fame is that I was nearly dropped off my mothers knee at the hustings when Nye Bevan said that the NHS would need to incorporate private medicine for financial reasons. Because he was very left wing this statement rather surprised my mum. In the event it was stupid union threats in the 1960s that forced Babara Castle to lose most of the private income from the NHS and has therefore played into the hands of the current government who want to privatise the lot again
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]Have to correct you here.My claim to fame is that I was nearly dropped off my mothers knee at the hustings when Nye Bevan said that the NHS would need to incorporate private medicine for financial reasons. Because he was very left wing this statement rather surprised my mum. In the event it was stupid union threats in the 1960s that forced Babara Castle to lose most of the private income from the NHS and has therefore played into the hands of the current government who want to privatise the lot again Inform Al
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Inform Al wrote:
Linesman wrote:
It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.'

With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened.

I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.
Have to correct you here.My claim to fame is that I was nearly dropped off my mothers knee at the hustings when Nye Bevan said that the NHS would need to incorporate private medicine for financial reasons. Because he was very left wing this statement rather surprised my mum. In the event it was stupid union threats in the 1960s that forced Babara Castle to lose most of the private income from the NHS and has therefore played into the hands of the current government who want to privatise the lot again
Being a pre-war baby, I remember the period when the NHS came into being. My memory appears to be at variance with that of your mother.

My memory is that Nye Bevan had to make concessions to get consultants onboard. They also had a 'negotiating body' at that time.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: It was not the intention to have private patients in NHS hospitals when the NHS was set up, but it was the only way that the government of the time could get consultants to 'come aboard.' With regard the claim that Southampton dockets hung John Prescott over the side of the dock, it is not something that I am aware of, and would appreciate knowing the time, date and place that this happened. I assume that such an event would have had as much publicity as the punch that Prescott landed on the chin of an 'agricultural Yob'.[/p][/quote]Have to correct you here.My claim to fame is that I was nearly dropped off my mothers knee at the hustings when Nye Bevan said that the NHS would need to incorporate private medicine for financial reasons. Because he was very left wing this statement rather surprised my mum. In the event it was stupid union threats in the 1960s that forced Babara Castle to lose most of the private income from the NHS and has therefore played into the hands of the current government who want to privatise the lot again[/p][/quote]Being a pre-war baby, I remember the period when the NHS came into being. My memory appears to be at variance with that of your mother. My memory is that Nye Bevan had to make concessions to get consultants onboard. They also had a 'negotiating body' at that time. Linesman
  • Score: 1

12:39pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more.

It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war.

You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships.

The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally[/p][/quote]For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more. It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war. You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships. The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott. Linesman
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Sun 26 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more.

It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war.

You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships.

The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.
when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton?
Try sticking to the facts please!
Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships.
yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott.
But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members.
As for the hospitals again your wrong
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally[/p][/quote]For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more. It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war. You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships. The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.[/p][/quote]when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton? Try sticking to the facts please! Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships. yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott. But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members. As for the hospitals again your wrong loosehead
  • Score: -1

1:33pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more.

It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war.

You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships.

The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.
when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton?
Try sticking to the facts please!
Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships.
yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott.
But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members.
As for the hospitals again your wrong
I am sorry and apologise.

The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton.

You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally[/p][/quote]For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more. It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war. You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships. The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.[/p][/quote]when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton? Try sticking to the facts please! Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships. yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott. But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members. As for the hospitals again your wrong[/p][/quote]I am sorry and apologise. The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton. You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience. Linesman
  • Score: 1

5:41pm Sun 26 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more.

It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war.

You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships.

The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.
when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton?
Try sticking to the facts please!
Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships.
yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott.
But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members.
As for the hospitals again your wrong
I am sorry and apologise.

The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton.

You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience.
thank you for your apology. Linesman after this incident with my family members losing their jobs/careers & then seeing how shop stewards used their positions to look out for themselves maybe I took an Ant union point of view but I do believe that Unions interested in saving jobs & not trying to influence on who runs the country or the city are a good thing.
what do you think of Ed Balls doing a Harold Wilson ? upping tax to 50p in the pound driving away business as happened under Wilson?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally[/p][/quote]For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more. It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war. You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships. The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.[/p][/quote]when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton? Try sticking to the facts please! Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships. yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott. But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members. As for the hospitals again your wrong[/p][/quote]I am sorry and apologise. The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton. You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience.[/p][/quote]thank you for your apology. Linesman after this incident with my family members losing their jobs/careers & then seeing how shop stewards used their positions to look out for themselves maybe I took an Ant union point of view but I do believe that Unions interested in saving jobs & not trying to influence on who runs the country or the city are a good thing. what do you think of Ed Balls doing a Harold Wilson ? upping tax to 50p in the pound driving away business as happened under Wilson? loosehead
  • Score: -1

7:25pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Loose
I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified
However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct.
According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'.
Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally.
btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).
phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships?
because it was suppose to have happened then.
I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly.
I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post.
27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?
Loose
First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother.
That must have been very upsetting for you and your family
Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr
Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household
Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years
so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers?
Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death.
Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally
For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more.

It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war.

You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships.

The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.
when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton?
Try sticking to the facts please!
Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships.
yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott.
But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members.
As for the hospitals again your wrong
I am sorry and apologise.

The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton.

You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience.
thank you for your apology. Linesman after this incident with my family members losing their jobs/careers & then seeing how shop stewards used their positions to look out for themselves maybe I took an Ant union point of view but I do believe that Unions interested in saving jobs & not trying to influence on who runs the country or the city are a good thing.
what do you think of Ed Balls doing a Harold Wilson ? upping tax to 50p in the pound driving away business as happened under Wilson?
For a start, I think that Harold Wilson had been dead many years when Darling was Chancellor and raised the higher rate of income tax to 50p.

My thoughts on Ed Balls proposing to reintroduce it?

Presumably you are familiar with the story of The Widow's Mite - a bible story.

It tells of a poor widow who made a very small contribution to a charity, where the rich man made a large donation.

It was pointed out that the widow's contribution was the greater contribution, because it was all that she could give, whereas the contribution that the rich man made was what he could afford.

David Cameron, when he took office, claimed "We are all in this together", but the outcome has been similar to the story of the widow's mite. The less well off have been hit the hardest, while those with the most have been less affected as they have still retained enough to retain their standard of living.

For that reason, I think that it is reasonable for them to make a bigger contribution.

I have given my answer, and as it has absolutely nothing to do with the story about John Prescott, I am not being side-tracked on to another subject. If you disagree, and think the less well off should be hit, then that is your choice.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Loose I don't want to denigrate you and would really love to have your Prescott story verified However if you were born in 1957 you would have been between 15-18 years old between 1971 and 1974, if my maths are correct. According to internet info Mr Prescott was elected as a MP for East Hull in 1970, so he would have been an elected Member of Parliament at the time of the alleged 'dangling'. Somehow I think this incident would have received some attention both locally and nationally. btw for information purposes only there were two canteens in the (New) Western Docks at the time at 102 and 107 berths (plus a First Aid building and a Fire Station - all now long gone!!).[/p][/quote]phil when/what year was it when Prescott was head of the Seamans Union & non British workers were allowed to work on British Registered ships? because it was suppose to have happened then. I witnessed a vote (mass meeting) & saw a guy getting beaten up but I rode away quickly. I was told of the event with Prescott & I've also read of it in another post. 27 years ago my brother committed suicide so it had to be before that so around about 84?[/p][/quote]Loose First of all I am sorry to hear about your brother. That must have been very upsetting for you and your family Back to topic, I know someone who knows Prescott's son David and, as I would love this story to be true, I asked him to ask Prescott Jnr Unfortunately there seems to be no recollection of this incident in the Prescott household Also in 1984 Prescott Snr had been an MP for 14 years[/p][/quote]so please tell me in what year did the British registered ships get Union agreement to sign on foreign workers? Phil my brother was in the laundry on I think the QE2 & his wife worked for Cunard & he lost his job as cheap foreign Labour replaced him & the British crews now I know it was either mid 70's or very late 70's as he did a government course & became a welder so it must have been at least 5 years before his death. Look I know Prescott was leader of the Seamens Union when the jobs changed but if no other poster is willing to come forward & say it happened okay I'm on a losing wicket as I didn't see it personally[/p][/quote]For someone who has apparently, not been born and brought up in Southampton, but has also worked in Southampton docks, I would have thought that you would have been aware that there have been foreign members of British registered ships for a couple of centuries or more. It was a common sight to see Lascars in Southampton before, during and after the war. You do not need to ask people on here about foreign crew members on British registered ships. It was quite usual for the laundries of British ships on routes to and from the Far East to be staffed by Chinese workers. This also happened on British warships. The regulations have been updated at various times over the centuries, but it NOT the case that British ships were suddenly manned solely by foreign nationals, thanks to John Prescott.[/p][/quote]when or where have I said I wasn't born or bought up in Southampton? Try sticking to the facts please! Cruise companies wanted to replace what they called expensive British crews with much cheaper foreign crews on British registered ships. yes in some areas foreign workers were used but besides the officers the ships were never fully crewed by foreign workers until John Prescott agreed to it so please get it right as my father was on the Russian convoys one of my brothers was a silver service waiter on board ship & the other after he'd hurt his hand ended up in the laundry they all lost their jobs & I know exactly what they thought of Prescott. But I forgot your so blinkered you can't see that Prescott was a disgrace & sold out his union members. As for the hospitals again your wrong[/p][/quote]I am sorry and apologise. The word 'not' should not have been included in the first sentence as it altered the sense of what I wished to say. I have always assumed from what you have said, and experiences that you have related, that you were, in fact, born and brought up in Southampton. You have a computer, and have access to the internet, so why don't you do some research with regard the employment of foreign crews? That way you get the facts and not an not an opinion that is biased and based on a political or financial experience.[/p][/quote]thank you for your apology. Linesman after this incident with my family members losing their jobs/careers & then seeing how shop stewards used their positions to look out for themselves maybe I took an Ant union point of view but I do believe that Unions interested in saving jobs & not trying to influence on who runs the country or the city are a good thing. what do you think of Ed Balls doing a Harold Wilson ? upping tax to 50p in the pound driving away business as happened under Wilson?[/p][/quote]For a start, I think that Harold Wilson had been dead many years when Darling was Chancellor and raised the higher rate of income tax to 50p. My thoughts on Ed Balls proposing to reintroduce it? Presumably you are familiar with the story of The Widow's Mite - a bible story. It tells of a poor widow who made a very small contribution to a charity, where the rich man made a large donation. It was pointed out that the widow's contribution was the greater contribution, because it was all that she could give, whereas the contribution that the rich man made was what he could afford. David Cameron, when he took office, claimed "We are all in this together", but the outcome has been similar to the story of the widow's mite. The less well off have been hit the hardest, while those with the most have been less affected as they have still retained enough to retain their standard of living. For that reason, I think that it is reasonable for them to make a bigger contribution. I have given my answer, and as it has absolutely nothing to do with the story about John Prescott, I am not being side-tracked on to another subject. If you disagree, and think the less well off should be hit, then that is your choice. Linesman
  • Score: 1

7:49pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Maybe this will help you.
General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern.
1942 - Charles Jarman
1948 - Tom Yates
1961 - Jim Scott
1962 - Bill Hogarth
1974 - Jim Slater
1986 - Sam McCluskie

Presidents of the NUS
1929 - Post abolished
1986 - Jim Slater

John Prescott.

Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965.

He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968.

He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970.

That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election.
Maybe this will help you. General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern. 1942 - Charles Jarman 1948 - Tom Yates 1961 - Jim Scott 1962 - Bill Hogarth 1974 - Jim Slater 1986 - Sam McCluskie Presidents of the NUS 1929 - Post abolished 1986 - Jim Slater John Prescott. Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965. He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968. He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970. That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election. Linesman
  • Score: 1

8:59pm Sun 26 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
Maybe this will help you.
General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern.
1942 - Charles Jarman
1948 - Tom Yates
1961 - Jim Scott
1962 - Bill Hogarth
1974 - Jim Slater
1986 - Sam McCluskie

Presidents of the NUS
1929 - Post abolished
1986 - Jim Slater

John Prescott.

Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965.

He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968.

He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970.

That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election.
I changed the subject as I loved my brother & I know he didn't lie to me & Prescott was a two faced corrupt Union official who some how became Deputy leader of the Labour Party.
I also remember how he makes himself out to be this great defender of the working class the same class he sold out.
he also said Classical music was for the rich & middle classes not the working class which I couldn't believe now I trusted my brother more than some old man who's blinkered socialist point of views can't let him see how wrong he is.
Also up to that point I was a ardent Labour/Union supporter but had my eyes opened at the truth & that is in no matter what form socialist,communist fascist or capitalist there will always be those who feather their own nest & become far better off than the rest so I know vote for a party that is about not expecting every thing to be handed to you on a plate but work hard start a company employ many but still pay 45p in the pound whilst giving your workers a decent wage.
I don't believe in driving away the skilled or entrepreneurs or the ones who remortgage their homes to set up business to third world countries as the reward for all their hard work is to be clobbered by the taxes of a Labour Government
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Maybe this will help you. General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern. 1942 - Charles Jarman 1948 - Tom Yates 1961 - Jim Scott 1962 - Bill Hogarth 1974 - Jim Slater 1986 - Sam McCluskie Presidents of the NUS 1929 - Post abolished 1986 - Jim Slater John Prescott. Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965. He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968. He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970. That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election.[/p][/quote]I changed the subject as I loved my brother & I know he didn't lie to me & Prescott was a two faced corrupt Union official who some how became Deputy leader of the Labour Party. I also remember how he makes himself out to be this great defender of the working class the same class he sold out. he also said Classical music was for the rich & middle classes not the working class which I couldn't believe now I trusted my brother more than some old man who's blinkered socialist point of views can't let him see how wrong he is. Also up to that point I was a ardent Labour/Union supporter but had my eyes opened at the truth & that is in no matter what form socialist,communist fascist or capitalist there will always be those who feather their own nest & become far better off than the rest so I know vote for a party that is about not expecting every thing to be handed to you on a plate but work hard start a company employ many but still pay 45p in the pound whilst giving your workers a decent wage. I don't believe in driving away the skilled or entrepreneurs or the ones who remortgage their homes to set up business to third world countries as the reward for all their hard work is to be clobbered by the taxes of a Labour Government loosehead
  • Score: -1

10:36pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Maybe this will help you.
General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern.
1942 - Charles Jarman
1948 - Tom Yates
1961 - Jim Scott
1962 - Bill Hogarth
1974 - Jim Slater
1986 - Sam McCluskie

Presidents of the NUS
1929 - Post abolished
1986 - Jim Slater

John Prescott.

Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965.

He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968.

He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970.

That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election.
I changed the subject as I loved my brother & I know he didn't lie to me & Prescott was a two faced corrupt Union official who some how became Deputy leader of the Labour Party.
I also remember how he makes himself out to be this great defender of the working class the same class he sold out.
he also said Classical music was for the rich & middle classes not the working class which I couldn't believe now I trusted my brother more than some old man who's blinkered socialist point of views can't let him see how wrong he is.
Also up to that point I was a ardent Labour/Union supporter but had my eyes opened at the truth & that is in no matter what form socialist,communist fascist or capitalist there will always be those who feather their own nest & become far better off than the rest so I know vote for a party that is about not expecting every thing to be handed to you on a plate but work hard start a company employ many but still pay 45p in the pound whilst giving your workers a decent wage.
I don't believe in driving away the skilled or entrepreneurs or the ones who remortgage their homes to set up business to third world countries as the reward for all their hard work is to be clobbered by the taxes of a Labour Government
So you loved your brother. Good for you, but I fail to see what relevance that has to the alleged attack on John Prescott.

Also, what the hell has Prescott's thoughts about classical music got to do with the story that you have been repeating?

PLEASE DO NOT TRY YOUR USUAL DIVERSIONARY TACTICS.

I have given you plenty of information to help you discover when exactly the story you keep repeating took place.

Why don't you admit that someone has told you a big 'Porky Pie' and you have taken it as the gospel truth?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: Maybe this will help you. General Secretaries of the National Union of Seamern. 1942 - Charles Jarman 1948 - Tom Yates 1961 - Jim Scott 1962 - Bill Hogarth 1974 - Jim Slater 1986 - Sam McCluskie Presidents of the NUS 1929 - Post abolished 1986 - Jim Slater John Prescott. Sponsored by his Union, he studied at Rushkin College, Oxford, gaining a diploma in economics in 1965. He gained a BSc in economics and economic history from the University of Hull in 1968. He served as a full-time official of the NUS until his election to Parliament as the MP for Hull East in 1970. That would give you less that two years for you to find out when the alleged event took place. I emphasise that it would be considerably less than two years because he would have been involved in electioneering in the Hull East constituency before the election.[/p][/quote]I changed the subject as I loved my brother & I know he didn't lie to me & Prescott was a two faced corrupt Union official who some how became Deputy leader of the Labour Party. I also remember how he makes himself out to be this great defender of the working class the same class he sold out. he also said Classical music was for the rich & middle classes not the working class which I couldn't believe now I trusted my brother more than some old man who's blinkered socialist point of views can't let him see how wrong he is. Also up to that point I was a ardent Labour/Union supporter but had my eyes opened at the truth & that is in no matter what form socialist,communist fascist or capitalist there will always be those who feather their own nest & become far better off than the rest so I know vote for a party that is about not expecting every thing to be handed to you on a plate but work hard start a company employ many but still pay 45p in the pound whilst giving your workers a decent wage. I don't believe in driving away the skilled or entrepreneurs or the ones who remortgage their homes to set up business to third world countries as the reward for all their hard work is to be clobbered by the taxes of a Labour Government[/p][/quote]So you loved your brother. Good for you, but I fail to see what relevance that has to the alleged attack on John Prescott. Also, what the hell has Prescott's thoughts about classical music got to do with the story that you have been repeating? PLEASE DO NOT TRY YOUR USUAL DIVERSIONARY TACTICS. I have given you plenty of information to help you discover when exactly the story you keep repeating took place. Why don't you admit that someone has told you a big 'Porky Pie' and you have taken it as the gospel truth? Linesman
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