‘No need for police to drive so fast’

Daily Echo: ‘No need for police to drive so fast’ ‘No need for police to drive so fast’

A W HANLON (Letters, January 30) is surely right to question the practice and certainly the frequency of police racing their vehicles at speeds well over the legal limit.

As Peter Hitchens observes in his brilliant book on the decline of order and justice in England, The Abolition of Liberty, the British police car, once a sober and subdued affair with only a bell and a small illuminated sign to identify it, has become a highway patrol cruiser adorned with splendid coats of arms, slogans, reflective stripes, banks of multi-coloured strobe lights and sirens, which can be heard in the next county.

Many are now more spectacular than the relatively modest vehicles used by American suburban forces.

Newspaper reporters and elected representatives invited to go out on patrol with the police are almost invariably taken in such cars. Officers long for the excuse to switch on the lights and sirens and fly to the rescue at dangerously high speeds. Again, as Peter Hitchens points out, who can blame them, with such machinery to play with and such inspiration from the many police programmes they have seen on TV, from fictional dramas to the factual clips in Police...

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Yet, as Mr Hanlon suggests, it is often the case that the crime they have gone to at such speed simply does not justify the effort or the danger to officers and public of driving at speed through built-up areas.

COUNCILLOR NEVILLE PENMAN, (Conservative), Totton.

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9:29pm Tue 11 Feb 14

loosehead says...

Sorry but your so so wrong are you suggesting the police let all suspects go because they can't catch them in the act?
sometimes the only way to prove who the criminals are is to catch them but your advocating they don't chase them?
Sorry but your so so wrong are you suggesting the police let all suspects go because they can't catch them in the act? sometimes the only way to prove who the criminals are is to catch them but your advocating they don't chase them? loosehead

2:44pm Wed 12 Feb 14

sparkster says...

If someone rings the police in an emergency surely I would have thought they would want the police there as soon as possible??? If some yob joyrider is likely to cause major accidents wouldn't you want them caught??? The same with ambulances and fire brigade they have a esponse time or so I thought
If someone rings the police in an emergency surely I would have thought they would want the police there as soon as possible??? If some yob joyrider is likely to cause major accidents wouldn't you want them caught??? The same with ambulances and fire brigade they have a esponse time or so I thought sparkster

12:14am Thu 13 Feb 14

Inform Al says...

When I was a plod in London I had to go through rather a lot of training and pass driving tests before I was allowed to drive emergency response vehicles. Although there were times that I had to drive over the speed limit I never ever drove in a manner that could have caused an accident. Interestingly when a complaint was recieved about our use of two tone horns at night, it turned out to be the fire station down the road that were the culprits. They had a policy of using them as soon as they left the fire station whereas we only used them where necessary. I'm not condemning the firefighters for this as driving a big vehicle at speed that is full of water requires everyone about to be aware of their presence.
When I was a plod in London I had to go through rather a lot of training and pass driving tests before I was allowed to drive emergency response vehicles. Although there were times that I had to drive over the speed limit I never ever drove in a manner that could have caused an accident. Interestingly when a complaint was recieved about our use of two tone horns at night, it turned out to be the fire station down the road that were the culprits. They had a policy of using them as soon as they left the fire station whereas we only used them where necessary. I'm not condemning the firefighters for this as driving a big vehicle at speed that is full of water requires everyone about to be aware of their presence. Inform Al

10:41am Thu 13 Feb 14

Drhysted says...

I suppose the Police don't need to use speed to do their jobs. Just as much as the Firearms units don't need firearms, the dog units don't need the dogs, the mounted units don't need horses.

If you just talk nicely to the nasty people breaking the law, they'll just stop it and wait where they are to be arrested won't they?

Oh wait I live in the real world where these people will do anything to get away.

You have a choice here let anarchy rule, or give the Police what they need to do their job (the government are doing their best to stop the Police as it is). With the Police spread ever thinner they will support.
I suppose the Police don't need to use speed to do their jobs. Just as much as the Firearms units don't need firearms, the dog units don't need the dogs, the mounted units don't need horses. If you just talk nicely to the nasty people breaking the law, they'll just stop it and wait where they are to be arrested won't they? Oh wait I live in the real world where these people will do anything to get away. You have a choice here let anarchy rule, or give the Police what they need to do their job (the government are doing their best to stop the Police as it is). With the Police spread ever thinner they will support. Drhysted

5:54pm Thu 13 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends. From the sidelines

6:04pm Thu 13 Feb 14

loosehead says...

From the sidelines wrote:
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it?
So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you?
I'm not I want these criminals caught
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.[/p][/quote]but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it? So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you? I'm not I want these criminals caught loosehead

8:42pm Thu 13 Feb 14

sparkster says...

I agree loosehead, the police have a jb to do, we'd only moan if the criminals get away, and yes its the criminals who are endangering their lives, let the police do their job and catch these scum thats what they are being paid for. I know if i rang the police in an emergency i would hope for a quick response. What abiut ambulances and the fire service, they have a response time and they have to drive at high speeds so whats the difference between them and the police responding to an emergency
I agree loosehead, the police have a jb to do, we'd only moan if the criminals get away, and yes its the criminals who are endangering their lives, let the police do their job and catch these scum thats what they are being paid for. I know if i rang the police in an emergency i would hope for a quick response. What abiut ambulances and the fire service, they have a response time and they have to drive at high speeds so whats the difference between them and the police responding to an emergency sparkster

10:32am Fri 14 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it?
So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you?
I'm not I want these criminals caught
So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops.

Ok.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.[/p][/quote]but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it? So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you? I'm not I want these criminals caught[/p][/quote]So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops. Ok. From the sidelines

11:31am Fri 14 Feb 14

loosehead says...

From the sidelines wrote:
loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it?
So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you?
I'm not I want these criminals caught
So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops.

Ok.
No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that.
I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore?
I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick!
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.[/p][/quote]but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it? So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you? I'm not I want these criminals caught[/p][/quote]So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops. Ok.[/p][/quote]No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that. I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore? I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick! loosehead

10:04am Mon 17 Feb 14

From the sidelines says...

loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it?
So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you?
I'm not I want these criminals caught
So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops.

Ok.
No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that.
I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore?
I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick!
You infer much.

There are many other ways to maintain law and order that do not involve high-speed chases through densely populated areas. O would accept that these other methods don't make for such good cheap telly.

I wonder how understanding you would be, were one of your family to be killed by a police driver responding to a mere property crime.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.[/p][/quote]but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it? So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you? I'm not I want these criminals caught[/p][/quote]So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops. Ok.[/p][/quote]No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that. I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore? I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick![/p][/quote]You infer much. There are many other ways to maintain law and order that do not involve high-speed chases through densely populated areas. O would accept that these other methods don't make for such good cheap telly. I wonder how understanding you would be, were one of your family to be killed by a police driver responding to a mere property crime. From the sidelines

11:30am Mon 17 Feb 14

loosehead says...

From the sidelines wrote:
loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
loosehead wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.
but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it?
So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you?
I'm not I want these criminals caught
So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops.

Ok.
No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that.
I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore?
I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick!
You infer much.

There are many other ways to maintain law and order that do not involve high-speed chases through densely populated areas. O would accept that these other methods don't make for such good cheap telly.

I wonder how understanding you would be, were one of your family to be killed by a police driver responding to a mere property crime.
i wonder how you'd feel if one of your elderly residents was hanging onto live after being assaulted by a burglar who jumps into a car & speeds away & the police refuse to give chase?
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: I find myself in agreement with this letter. Police driving at speeds that put the rest of the population at risk is not acceptable. A chase develops, and both criminal and police drive in excess of their abilities as the red mist descends.[/p][/quote]but again you can't get it. it's the criminal who's putting other peoples lives at risk the police are doing what we pay them to do & that's trying to catch criminals so are you advocating they let them go with no ID so they get away with it? So if you get burgled & you walk in & get stabbed or worse your okay for the police not to chase them are you? I'm not I want these criminals caught[/p][/quote]So, you're happy with the increased risk to innocent life and limb that results when a chase develops. Ok.[/p][/quote]No & part of the judges sentencing should be reckless driving by the criminals that don't give a **** about anyone else but themselves as for the police Sorry they are their to chase & apprehend criminals your advocating they let all criminals who chuck on balaclavas & jump into cars or on motorbikes & speed through busy streets get away with the crime no matter how serious it is & I cannot agree with that. I have been burgled in the past if I interrupted them & the Police were in a position to give chase but wouldn't as they might hurt someone I'd be absolutely enraged & asking should we start to take the law into our own hands as the law can't do it's job anymore? I have seen children with severely twisted ankles or broken limbs because some toe rag has ridden an illegal motorbike over sports pitches in weather like this & when the mud hardens it leaves divots & when you ask why the police don't give chase it's because of people like you. So schools/sports clubs can't use their facilities because people like you think the criminals should be able to get away scot free & that makes me sick![/p][/quote]You infer much. There are many other ways to maintain law and order that do not involve high-speed chases through densely populated areas. O would accept that these other methods don't make for such good cheap telly. I wonder how understanding you would be, were one of your family to be killed by a police driver responding to a mere property crime.[/p][/quote]i wonder how you'd feel if one of your elderly residents was hanging onto live after being assaulted by a burglar who jumps into a car & speeds away & the police refuse to give chase? loosehead

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