Let’s look at problems with leaving EU

Let’s look at problems with leaving EU

Let’s look at problems with leaving EU

First published in Readers' Letters

THE referendum is over, we’ve won and left the EU! Now instead of being ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels we’re ruled by unelected bureaucrats in London.

There will be ten times as many of them telling us what to do, but that’s OK because they’ll be telling us what to do in English.

The ferries are full of German doctors, Spanish nurses, Portuguese cleaners and Polish plumbers being deported back to where they came from, and then on the return journey the passengers are British workers who had jobs on the continent being deported back here.

The one million British ex-pats who’d retired to Spain are no longer EU citizens so no longer qualify for free treatment from the Spanish national health service. Unless they’ve got private insurance they’ll now have to pay for their healthcare.

If they can’t, I expect there are charities in Spain who will find them a bed in a dormitory and hand out free paracetamol. I know we’d do the same.

Taxes up If they need constant medication which they can’t afford they’ll be forced to return to Britain. They’ll have to sell their houses, but as everyone else is doing the same the bottom’s dropped out of the market.

Many of them will be forced to abandon their properties in Spain and come back to the UK destitute and hope relatives can take them in. Old people who have always been independent find it humiliating being reduced to begging.

If they have no relatives with room for them, they’ll have to declare themselves homeless and ask the council to house them.

The councils will tell them that they may have been residents of the city before they moved to Spain but that was years ago and they’re not residents now.

Do they expect to get priority over young families on waiting lists who’ve always lived here?

At least as British citizens they’ll still be entitled to free healthcare from our NHS. At the same time as our taxes go up to pay for that, waiting lists will get longer due to NHS staff shortages caused by sending all the foreign workers packing.

Care homes closed, NHS waiting lists up, taxes up, old people owning houses in Spain now back in Britain but sleeping on the streets and men who were working in France or Germany now back here and unemployed.

But get your priorities right – the UK is now independent of Brussels! That’s what matters...

Martin Kyrle

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5:23pm Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we? loosehead
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7:51pm Wed 26 Mar 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s.

There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries.
About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?[/p][/quote]The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s. There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries. About 4 million non UK EU migrants here. downfader
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9:13pm Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s.

There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries.
About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.
You've just contradicted yourself! the people did vote to join-via the Common Market vote sorry but when was the common market about an EU commission? An EU parliament? About a EU Flag? A EU currency? Or about giving our right to be tried by a jury away?
The vote as you put it was about Sovereign Countries with their own laws & currencies trading with each other or did my sister & friends vote yes on a lie?
I voted NO in that referendum & the amount of people who now say if they knew what was coming they to would have voted NO.
Under the common market unless you were a member you couldn't sell inside it so how's China,Japan & India managing to do it?
We were lied to & we're still being lied to by the Pro EU camp.
So take away 2.5 million from 4 & we will have 1.5million less people working here so the jobless will be down below a million great news.
If we operated the same as many countries if companies threatened to leave here if we left the EU we'd have two choices hammer any products they try selling here(tax) or refuse them an import license.this would help us develop companies based here not wanting to leave here.
With German companies deeply involved in exporting to the UK I can't see Germany allowing a trade embargo if we left.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?[/p][/quote]The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s. There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries. About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.[/p][/quote]You've just contradicted yourself! the people did vote to join-via the Common Market vote sorry but when was the common market about an EU commission? An EU parliament? About a EU Flag? A EU currency? Or about giving our right to be tried by a jury away? The vote as you put it was about Sovereign Countries with their own laws & currencies trading with each other or did my sister & friends vote yes on a lie? I voted NO in that referendum & the amount of people who now say if they knew what was coming they to would have voted NO. Under the common market unless you were a member you couldn't sell inside it so how's China,Japan & India managing to do it? We were lied to & we're still being lied to by the Pro EU camp. So take away 2.5 million from 4 & we will have 1.5million less people working here so the jobless will be down below a million great news. If we operated the same as many countries if companies threatened to leave here if we left the EU we'd have two choices hammer any products they try selling here(tax) or refuse them an import license.this would help us develop companies based here not wanting to leave here. With German companies deeply involved in exporting to the UK I can't see Germany allowing a trade embargo if we left. loosehead
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9:14pm Wed 26 Mar 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s.

There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries.
About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.
try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU.
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?[/p][/quote]The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s. There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries. About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.[/p][/quote]try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU. loosehead
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9:25pm Wed 26 Mar 14

downfader says...

loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s.

There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries.
About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.
try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU.
The point is we didnt need a specific vote - those we elected had the power to sign us up under that referendum. Thats how Politics works. There are an awful lot of things we dont vote for but happen because we've assigned deligates (MPs and MEPs) to make the choices for us. Employment and health and safety legislation being two major examples we've benefited from.

I dont see that I've contradicted anything given that I've simply repeated the facts.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?[/p][/quote]The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s. There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries. About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.[/p][/quote]try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU.[/p][/quote]The point is we didnt need a specific vote - those we elected had the power to sign us up under that referendum. Thats how Politics works. There are an awful lot of things we dont vote for but happen because we've assigned deligates (MPs and MEPs) to make the choices for us. Employment and health and safety legislation being two major examples we've benefited from. I dont see that I've contradicted anything given that I've simply repeated the facts. downfader
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7:59am Thu 27 Mar 14

loosehead says...

downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
downfader wrote:
loosehead wrote:
What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join.
I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they?
How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply.
Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here?
As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them.
But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?
The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s.

There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries.
About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.
try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU.
The point is we didnt need a specific vote - those we elected had the power to sign us up under that referendum. Thats how Politics works. There are an awful lot of things we dont vote for but happen because we've assigned deligates (MPs and MEPs) to make the choices for us. Employment and health and safety legislation being two major examples we've benefited from.

I dont see that I've contradicted anything given that I've simply repeated the facts.
employment? so thousand jobs directly loss & many more indirectly lost just at one factory which we lost due to a EU commission edict?
I don't want to start listing all the companies we've lost due to being in the EU & them helping subsidise the movement out of this country but here's a few.
Cadbury's,Ford, BAT,Black & Decker & the list goes on so please stop the myth the EU doesn't bring jobs it actually gave a grant to a non EU country to build a new Ford production plant?
[quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]downfader[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: What a load of rubbish? our taxes would go up? so not counting the billions we save by leaving a EU we never voted to join. I've lived in Thailand & so what if those who've emigrated to spain & France having to pay medical bills I did & so did any other Brit or other national living in Thailand so why shouldn't they? How many companies have gone to the EU? Any company who's left here to set up shop in Eastern Europe for cheap Labour should be highly taxed if they want to import here if a company has always been there then normal import controls should apply. Exactly how many Brits are working inside the EU compared to EU residents working here? As has been proven you don't have to be in the EU to export to them. But please when did we vote for the EU or that flag? we voted on the common market didn't we?[/p][/quote]The people DID vote to join - via the common market referendum in the 1970s. There are 2.5 million UK residents working abroad in EU countries. About 4 million non UK EU migrants here.[/p][/quote]try looking up the terms of joining the Common Market & you'll see we never ever voted on joining this EU.[/p][/quote]The point is we didnt need a specific vote - those we elected had the power to sign us up under that referendum. Thats how Politics works. There are an awful lot of things we dont vote for but happen because we've assigned deligates (MPs and MEPs) to make the choices for us. Employment and health and safety legislation being two major examples we've benefited from. I dont see that I've contradicted anything given that I've simply repeated the facts.[/p][/quote]employment? so thousand jobs directly loss & many more indirectly lost just at one factory which we lost due to a EU commission edict? I don't want to start listing all the companies we've lost due to being in the EU & them helping subsidise the movement out of this country but here's a few. Cadbury's,Ford, BAT,Black & Decker & the list goes on so please stop the myth the EU doesn't bring jobs it actually gave a grant to a non EU country to build a new Ford production plant? loosehead
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5:25pm Thu 27 Mar 14

billy_whizz says...

There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this.

As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries.

With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper.

Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive.
There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this. As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries. With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper. Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive. billy_whizz
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6:14pm Thu 27 Mar 14

loosehead says...

billy_whizz wrote:
There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this.

As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries.

With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper.

Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive.
BAT moves to Poland with grants from the EU, Cadburies move to where? Poland again originally they had grants but then Labour thought they had a deal & lent Kraft the money to buy Cadburies as long as they never moved into that factory so what did Kraft do? Ask Bristol if they like the EU.
Okay so you mention Japanese car manufacturers? so where's their largest market with in the EU? UK so pull out they say they're moving(one said they wouldn't) we ban import taxes on their cars cutting the volume of sales in this country.
A German Politician was asked would you ban imports from the UK if we pulled out of the EU? He said the EU would be crazy to do that & a trading agreement would be found so what's all this rubbish about losing jobs if we left the EU?
[quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this. As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries. With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper. Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive.[/p][/quote]BAT moves to Poland with grants from the EU, Cadburies move to where? Poland again originally they had grants but then Labour thought they had a deal & lent Kraft the money to buy Cadburies as long as they never moved into that factory so what did Kraft do? Ask Bristol if they like the EU. Okay so you mention Japanese car manufacturers? so where's their largest market with in the EU? UK so pull out they say they're moving(one said they wouldn't) we ban import taxes on their cars cutting the volume of sales in this country. A German Politician was asked would you ban imports from the UK if we pulled out of the EU? He said the EU would be crazy to do that & a trading agreement would be found so what's all this rubbish about losing jobs if we left the EU? loosehead
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8:41pm Thu 27 Mar 14

billy_whizz says...

loosehead wrote:
billy_whizz wrote:
There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this.

As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries.

With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper.

Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive.
BAT moves to Poland with grants from the EU, Cadburies move to where? Poland again originally they had grants but then Labour thought they had a deal & lent Kraft the money to buy Cadburies as long as they never moved into that factory so what did Kraft do? Ask Bristol if they like the EU.
Okay so you mention Japanese car manufacturers? so where's their largest market with in the EU? UK so pull out they say they're moving(one said they wouldn't) we ban import taxes on their cars cutting the volume of sales in this country.
A German Politician was asked would you ban imports from the UK if we pulled out of the EU? He said the EU would be crazy to do that & a trading agreement would be found so what's all this rubbish about losing jobs if we left the EU?
Poland became part of the EU and therefore became eligible for EU support. BAT chose to relocate to a location (within the EU) for cheaper costs. I suspect that a company like BAT would have left much sooner had the UK not been part of the UK.

The saga with Kraft/Cadburys simply shows that large multinationals act in their own interests and the best that national governments can try and do is to 'bribe them'. Very few national governments (if any) can exert a lot of control over big businesses.

These days location of markets is not that important to manufacturing companies. Technology has been used to develop vast transport networks that allow products to be moved half way across the world,. the volume of products being moved is done in such huge quantities that it still works out cheaper to make them thousands of miles away and then move them. (witness the increasing size of container ships coming to Southampton).

Of course there won't be a ban on imports from the UK, there will still be a market for hi-tech stuff but there will be a number of jobs lost because there will be businesses who need to be in the EU. As Eastern European countries that are now in the EU become more developed they will be the places attracting the large multinationals.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: There is absolutely no doubt that being in the EU has meant foreign companies have come to Britain. This is because restrictions on imports into the EU have been placed on non EU businesses. Japanese car companies are an example of this. As long as a certain % of the manufacturing of the product is carried out within the EU there are no restriction as to how many units may be sold. Therefore businesses from outside of the EU have sought bases within the EU. The UK benefited from this as UK employment laws were seen as being less restrictive than other EU countries. With regard to businesses moving out of the UK, this is a facet of globalisation. Cheaper manufacturing areas exist in 'less developed countries' and so businesses move there. In recent years places like China have done well from this. Have no doubt though that in future years, businesses will move again as places like China become more expensive. Future manufacturing will probably be done in places such as Africa where costs are cheaper. Globalisation is the driver for the changes that affect us. To simply think that leaving the EU will make everything okay is simply naive.[/p][/quote]BAT moves to Poland with grants from the EU, Cadburies move to where? Poland again originally they had grants but then Labour thought they had a deal & lent Kraft the money to buy Cadburies as long as they never moved into that factory so what did Kraft do? Ask Bristol if they like the EU. Okay so you mention Japanese car manufacturers? so where's their largest market with in the EU? UK so pull out they say they're moving(one said they wouldn't) we ban import taxes on their cars cutting the volume of sales in this country. A German Politician was asked would you ban imports from the UK if we pulled out of the EU? He said the EU would be crazy to do that & a trading agreement would be found so what's all this rubbish about losing jobs if we left the EU?[/p][/quote]Poland became part of the EU and therefore became eligible for EU support. BAT chose to relocate to a location (within the EU) for cheaper costs. I suspect that a company like BAT would have left much sooner had the UK not been part of the UK. The saga with Kraft/Cadburys simply shows that large multinationals act in their own interests and the best that national governments can try and do is to 'bribe them'. Very few national governments (if any) can exert a lot of control over big businesses. These days location of markets is not that important to manufacturing companies. Technology has been used to develop vast transport networks that allow products to be moved half way across the world,. the volume of products being moved is done in such huge quantities that it still works out cheaper to make them thousands of miles away and then move them. (witness the increasing size of container ships coming to Southampton). Of course there won't be a ban on imports from the UK, there will still be a market for hi-tech stuff but there will be a number of jobs lost because there will be businesses who need to be in the EU. As Eastern European countries that are now in the EU become more developed they will be the places attracting the large multinationals. billy_whizz
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9:13pm Thu 27 Mar 14

loosehead says...

You really don't know what you're talking about do you?
I worked 25 years for BAT the EU commission made a law where fag tar levels/Nicotine had to be 8 or below BAT's overseas customers wanted 10.
We petitioned to be allowed to export that level but they said no we asked Labour to back us but our Labour MP's said no so we asked Tony Blair he said no.
But at the same time as saying NO to us the EU was giving a grant to BAT Poland to build a new factory to export at that level?
Germany said under Federal Law they couldn't accept any law that would see people lose their jobs so they just carried on .
The UK was the only country to abide by this law & it was the UK that lost 1,00+ jobs.
Cadbury/Kraft was a joke they (Kraft ) borrowed money from us to buy Cadbury with the Proviso they didn't shut a plant here but once they had it they shut Bristol to move production to a plant built with EU grant money or should I say the money we have to give to the EU & as it was only a handshake & not in writing we could do nothing about it.
Queen Victoria(ship) Cunard were taking bids to build this ship Harland & wolf put in a bid & I think it was a French yard that put in a bid but the French bid was subsidised by the French Government which is breaking EU law Blair offered to subsidise Harland & wolf if the contract was given to them & the EU stopped him so once again one law for the UK another law for the EU.
We have never been treated as equals & have always been treated as an annoyance so LET'S GET OUT.
You really don't know what you're talking about do you? I worked 25 years for BAT the EU commission made a law where fag tar levels/Nicotine had to be 8 or below BAT's overseas customers wanted 10. We petitioned to be allowed to export that level but they said no we asked Labour to back us but our Labour MP's said no so we asked Tony Blair he said no. But at the same time as saying NO to us the EU was giving a grant to BAT Poland to build a new factory to export at that level? Germany said under Federal Law they couldn't accept any law that would see people lose their jobs so they just carried on . The UK was the only country to abide by this law & it was the UK that lost 1,00+ jobs. Cadbury/Kraft was a joke they (Kraft ) borrowed money from us to buy Cadbury with the Proviso they didn't shut a plant here but once they had it they shut Bristol to move production to a plant built with EU grant money or should I say the money we have to give to the EU & as it was only a handshake & not in writing we could do nothing about it. Queen Victoria(ship) Cunard were taking bids to build this ship Harland & wolf put in a bid & I think it was a French yard that put in a bid but the French bid was subsidised by the French Government which is breaking EU law Blair offered to subsidise Harland & wolf if the contract was given to them & the EU stopped him so once again one law for the UK another law for the EU. We have never been treated as equals & have always been treated as an annoyance so LET'S GET OUT. loosehead
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10:11pm Thu 27 Mar 14

billy_whizz says...

I get it now.

If the UK wasn't part of the EU, none of these things would have happened? We would still have loads of manufacturing jobs, foreign multinational companies would come to the UK anyway, sounds great.

As I previously stated, big businesses do what is best for them, that is what drives their decisions. They are much too powerful for most countries like the UK to 'force' them to change decisions. the thought that by separating away from a larger group will give you more 'power' makes no sense to me.

Personally I think some aspects of the EU are good. For example the various rights I have regarding travel, where to live, employment rights, and environmental rights. Nothing is perfect and I am certainly not a fan of big businesses, but I do realise that the way international capital works means that no country can go it alone.

Leaving the EU would not be the 'magic solution' that some people would want us to believe. It is however a useful way to garner them support for their own ends.
I get it now. If the UK wasn't part of the EU, none of these things would have happened? We would still have loads of manufacturing jobs, foreign multinational companies would come to the UK anyway, sounds great. As I previously stated, big businesses do what is best for them, that is what drives their decisions. They are much too powerful for most countries like the UK to 'force' them to change decisions. the thought that by separating away from a larger group will give you more 'power' makes no sense to me. Personally I think some aspects of the EU are good. For example the various rights I have regarding travel, where to live, employment rights, and environmental rights. Nothing is perfect and I am certainly not a fan of big businesses, but I do realise that the way international capital works means that no country can go it alone. Leaving the EU would not be the 'magic solution' that some people would want us to believe. It is however a useful way to garner them support for their own ends. billy_whizz
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6:25am Fri 28 Mar 14

loosehead says...

billy_whizz wrote:
I get it now.

If the UK wasn't part of the EU, none of these things would have happened? We would still have loads of manufacturing jobs, foreign multinational companies would come to the UK anyway, sounds great.

As I previously stated, big businesses do what is best for them, that is what drives their decisions. They are much too powerful for most countries like the UK to 'force' them to change decisions. the thought that by separating away from a larger group will give you more 'power' makes no sense to me.

Personally I think some aspects of the EU are good. For example the various rights I have regarding travel, where to live, employment rights, and environmental rights. Nothing is perfect and I am certainly not a fan of big businesses, but I do realise that the way international capital works means that no country can go it alone.

Leaving the EU would not be the 'magic solution' that some people would want us to believe. It is however a useful way to garner them support for their own ends.
before we went into the common market not the EU average wages were £44 a week & food & house prices were far cheaper.
all prices went up immediately we joined up with Ted Heath being told to keep wages low hence huge industrial action hence three day working week hence many companies leaving these shores .
I lived through it all & I know I can say I told you so but that's no comfort after seeing this country go through turmoil for what?
being ruled by another country? allowing a German Chancellor to do what Hitler could only dream of doing? Yes it's not the same Germany but they rule the EU no matter how you look at it.
[quote][p][bold]billy_whizz[/bold] wrote: I get it now. If the UK wasn't part of the EU, none of these things would have happened? We would still have loads of manufacturing jobs, foreign multinational companies would come to the UK anyway, sounds great. As I previously stated, big businesses do what is best for them, that is what drives their decisions. They are much too powerful for most countries like the UK to 'force' them to change decisions. the thought that by separating away from a larger group will give you more 'power' makes no sense to me. Personally I think some aspects of the EU are good. For example the various rights I have regarding travel, where to live, employment rights, and environmental rights. Nothing is perfect and I am certainly not a fan of big businesses, but I do realise that the way international capital works means that no country can go it alone. Leaving the EU would not be the 'magic solution' that some people would want us to believe. It is however a useful way to garner them support for their own ends.[/p][/quote]before we went into the common market not the EU average wages were £44 a week & food & house prices were far cheaper. all prices went up immediately we joined up with Ted Heath being told to keep wages low hence huge industrial action hence three day working week hence many companies leaving these shores . I lived through it all & I know I can say I told you so but that's no comfort after seeing this country go through turmoil for what? being ruled by another country? allowing a German Chancellor to do what Hitler could only dream of doing? Yes it's not the same Germany but they rule the EU no matter how you look at it. loosehead
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