I would be in support of a referendum

I would be in support of a referendum

I would be in support of a referendum

First published in Readers' Letters

THE idea of a referendum seems to me to be a good idea. We have a referendum on the Government and the opposition every four or five years.

Scotland is about to have one. Many people want a referendum on Europe, though they will only get one if the Conservatives win the next election.

There are constantly surveys, polls, focus groups, and canvassing by the political parties and other bodies. Whenever there is a big controversy people start demanding consultation or referendum.

I can think of subjects such as the proposed sale of Marchwood military port, bicycles in the New Forest, Dibden Bay, a casino in Southampton, fluoridation, the proposed Tescos in Romsey (now dropped), local government boundary changes, parking charges, service charges for council tenants, and many planning proposals.

So ascertaining the views of the people cannot be such a bad idea. Online referendums must be an easy process these days.

I notice that whenever merits in the parliamentary candidate of Royston Smith emerge, that he is a local man born and bred and is in favour of finding out what the people think, his political opponents immediately rush to rubbish what he says, irrespective of the merits.

ALEC SAMUELS, West End.

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2:39pm Wed 27 Aug 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

A politician who is genuinely close to their electorate simply does not need gimmicks like referendums in order to 'find out' what people think.

This whole referendum debate just highlights how out of touch Royston is. If he spent many hours every week knocking on doors and talking to voters, he would know exactly what issues are concerning them and how they'd want him to vote in a debate. Clearly he doesn't do this.

The fact that Royston thinks that referendums are needed at the local level demonstrates that although he trumpets his 'local' credentials, in reality he's out of touch with people and has no understanding of the issues that affect them every day.
A politician who is genuinely close to their electorate simply does not need gimmicks like referendums in order to 'find out' what people think. This whole referendum debate just highlights how out of touch Royston is. If he spent many hours every week knocking on doors and talking to voters, he would know exactly what issues are concerning them and how they'd want him to vote in a debate. Clearly he doesn't do this. The fact that Royston thinks that referendums are needed at the local level demonstrates that although he trumpets his 'local' credentials, in reality he's out of touch with people and has no understanding of the issues that affect them every day. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 10

4:19pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Linesman says...

What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work? Linesman
  • Score: 2

4:55pm Wed 27 Aug 14

The Watcher says...

Balderdash.
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As the great Iron Lady once said, "There is nothing more obstinate than a fashionable consensus".
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MPs need to show a lead, determination and drive, not calling for a plebiscite whenever an uncomfortable decision comes up.
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Referendums are once in a lifetime events, not cheap Party Political Stunts that seek to appease the electorate.
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I remember how under Cllr Smith's reign, the excellent Biomass project was welcomed with open arms by the Party and City Council, only for a shameless U Turn once the NIMBYs got a bit vocal.
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Strong Councillors and Members of Parliament do not need continual referendums, they need to do the right thing at the right time and leave the public to judge them at the appropriate election.
Balderdash. . As the great Iron Lady once said, "There is nothing more obstinate than a fashionable consensus". . MPs need to show a lead, determination and drive, not calling for a plebiscite whenever an uncomfortable decision comes up. . Referendums are once in a lifetime events, not cheap Party Political Stunts that seek to appease the electorate. . I remember how under Cllr Smith's reign, the excellent Biomass project was welcomed with open arms by the Party and City Council, only for a shameless U Turn once the NIMBYs got a bit vocal. . Strong Councillors and Members of Parliament do not need continual referendums, they need to do the right thing at the right time and leave the public to judge them at the appropriate election. The Watcher
  • Score: 3

5:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

News Fanatic says...

The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith!
The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith! News Fanatic
  • Score: 5

7:14pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Linesman says...

News Fanatic wrote:
The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith!
Heaven help us if Royston Smith has been cloned!
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith![/p][/quote]Heaven help us if Royston Smith has been cloned! Linesman
  • Score: -1

7:56pm Wed 27 Aug 14

Huey says...

Maybe we could all have referendums in our professions.
Never make a decision until asking your customers how to best do your job.
Then blame them if it all goes belly up and say that it is what they asked for!
Pretty smart move, Royston will be creaming his pants.
Maybe we could all have referendums in our professions. Never make a decision until asking your customers how to best do your job. Then blame them if it all goes belly up and say that it is what they asked for! Pretty smart move, Royston will be creaming his pants. Huey
  • Score: 2

11:13pm Wed 27 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

7:06am Thu 28 Aug 14

loosehead says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
A politician who is genuinely close to their electorate simply does not need gimmicks like referendums in order to 'find out' what people think.

This whole referendum debate just highlights how out of touch Royston is. If he spent many hours every week knocking on doors and talking to voters, he would know exactly what issues are concerning them and how they'd want him to vote in a debate. Clearly he doesn't do this.

The fact that Royston thinks that referendums are needed at the local level demonstrates that although he trumpets his 'local' credentials, in reality he's out of touch with people and has no understanding of the issues that affect them every day.
Brown messed up.Milliband said we'll listen to the voters but has he?
If Labour has listened to the voters why aren't Labour promising a referendum?
Is it a case of listening but only to a select few?
Roystons planned referendum which isn't going to cost local tax payers or anyone else besides the local Tory Party will be open to all so a much wider point of view can be seen.
If it get's hijacked by the loony brigade it can be ignored but if constructive comments are left they can be acted upon.
I really on't see the problem with this & are you telling me Whitehead is it close contact with the electorate?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: A politician who is genuinely close to their electorate simply does not need gimmicks like referendums in order to 'find out' what people think. This whole referendum debate just highlights how out of touch Royston is. If he spent many hours every week knocking on doors and talking to voters, he would know exactly what issues are concerning them and how they'd want him to vote in a debate. Clearly he doesn't do this. The fact that Royston thinks that referendums are needed at the local level demonstrates that although he trumpets his 'local' credentials, in reality he's out of touch with people and has no understanding of the issues that affect them every day.[/p][/quote]Brown messed up.Milliband said we'll listen to the voters but has he? If Labour has listened to the voters why aren't Labour promising a referendum? Is it a case of listening but only to a select few? Roystons planned referendum which isn't going to cost local tax payers or anyone else besides the local Tory Party will be open to all so a much wider point of view can be seen. If it get's hijacked by the loony brigade it can be ignored but if constructive comments are left they can be acted upon. I really on't see the problem with this & are you telling me Whitehead is it close contact with the electorate? loosehead
  • Score: -3

7:08am Thu 28 Aug 14

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
I think it could be a great idea but do these left wing posters honestly think that every suggestion can be acted upon?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]I think it could be a great idea but do these left wing posters honestly think that every suggestion can be acted upon? loosehead
  • Score: -3

8:41am Thu 28 Aug 14

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that. Linesman
  • Score: 0

8:44am Thu 28 Aug 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
I think it could be a great idea but do these left wing posters honestly think that every suggestion can be acted upon?
When you start a post with the words "I think", I know that you are stretching credibility to the limit.

From so many of your comments, it is patently obvious that your thought process is flawed.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]I think it could be a great idea but do these left wing posters honestly think that every suggestion can be acted upon?[/p][/quote]When you start a post with the words "I think", I know that you are stretching credibility to the limit. From so many of your comments, it is patently obvious that your thought process is flawed. Linesman
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Thu 28 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking. IronLady2010
  • Score: 1

1:22pm Thu 28 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Sorry, correction, should be 'where the data ISN'T always correct'.
Sorry, correction, should be 'where the data ISN'T always correct'. IronLady2010
  • Score: 0

2:38pm Thu 28 Aug 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

News Fanatic wrote:
The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith!
What I find odd is that this whole fandango started a few weeks ago with an Echo report on Smith's hare-brained publicity pitch on local referenda.

As this policy started to unravel under the gaze of public scrutiny, Referendum Man then compounded the situation with an entertaining 'In My View' piece which unsurprisingly generated even more public ridicule. So we end up on Tuesday with a slew of pro Smith letters (including one from himself 'putting the record straight') together with a line from Daily Echo Editor, Ian Murray, that the correspondence on this item had now closed.

Imagine my surprise, then, to read the following day a further pro Smith letter on this subject from arch-Tory Alec Samuel. By my calculation the number of column centimetres devoted to Smith's Referendum Axis in the Daily Echo is three times that given over to opposing views.

One might be forgiven from drawing the conclusion that there is editorial bias towards the Conservative viewpoint in the pages of our only local daily newspaper in Southampton.

Someone please prove me wrong on this one.
[quote][p][bold]News Fanatic[/bold] wrote: The letter is from Alec Samuels but the picture is of Royston Smith![/p][/quote]What I find odd is that this whole fandango started a few weeks ago with an Echo report on Smith's hare-brained publicity pitch on local referenda. As this policy started to unravel under the gaze of public scrutiny, Referendum Man then compounded the situation with an entertaining 'In My View' piece which unsurprisingly generated even more public ridicule. So we end up on Tuesday with a slew of pro Smith letters (including one from himself 'putting the record straight') together with a line from Daily Echo Editor, Ian Murray, that the correspondence on this item had now closed. Imagine my surprise, then, to read the following day a further pro Smith letter on this subject from arch-Tory Alec Samuel. By my calculation the number of column centimetres devoted to Smith's Referendum Axis in the Daily Echo is three times that given over to opposing views. One might be forgiven from drawing the conclusion that there is editorial bias towards the Conservative viewpoint in the pages of our only local daily newspaper in Southampton. Someone please prove me wrong on this one. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 6

3:16pm Thu 28 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

I don't see the Editorial bias.

As I see it, Royston is open and honest and maybe reports to the Echo to be clear and honest with us residents.

Surely the current Administration have the same rights?
I don't see the Editorial bias. As I see it, Royston is open and honest and maybe reports to the Echo to be clear and honest with us residents. Surely the current Administration have the same rights? IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

7:24pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought. Linesman
  • Score: 1

1:31pm Fri 29 Aug 14

southy says...

Scotland is about to have one. Many people want a referendum on Europe, though they will only get one if the Conservatives win the next election.

Bit of a lie as there are other political groups/party's that will offer the referendum on the EU, like UKIP and TUSC will give a referendum on the EU, the Tory's are only offering a referendum because it fears losing its voters to UKIP and not only that they will offer it a lot sooner than 2017 like the Tory's are offering they are hoping people will forget or change there minds
Scotland is about to have one. Many people want a referendum on Europe, though they will only get one if the Conservatives win the next election. Bit of a lie as there are other political groups/party's that will offer the referendum on the EU, like UKIP and TUSC will give a referendum on the EU, the Tory's are only offering a referendum because it fears losing its voters to UKIP and not only that they will offer it a lot sooner than 2017 like the Tory's are offering they are hoping people will forget or change there minds southy
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Fri 29 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion? IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

2:59pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
Why run it at all?

Who would set the questions for these referendums?

The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course.

By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]Why run it at all? Who would set the questions for these referendums? The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course. By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote. Linesman
  • Score: 2

9:15pm Fri 29 Aug 14

loosehead says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory.
A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one"
So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory. A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one" So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea? loosehead
  • Score: -4

10:47pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory.
A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one"
So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?
I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel.

I checked and I was correct.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory. A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one" So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?[/p][/quote]I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel. I checked and I was correct. Linesman
  • Score: 1

6:49am Sat 30 Aug 14

loosehead says...

Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory.
A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one"
So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?
I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel.

I checked and I was correct.
so again more insults what's the matter are you on the defensive?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory. A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one" So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?[/p][/quote]I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel. I checked and I was correct.[/p][/quote]so again more insults what's the matter are you on the defensive? loosehead
  • Score: -4

9:00am Sat 30 Aug 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Linesman wrote:
loosehead wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory.
A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one"
So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?
I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel.

I checked and I was correct.
so again more insults what's the matter are you on the defensive?
No.

A factual statement.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]If this had been suggested by Labour it would have been a Great idea but it wasn't it was suggested by a Caring Tory. A Tory who want's to hear what the electorate want not like Millibands "listening to the people" statement yet he says " we know whats best for the country & it's not a referendum on the EU even though they the people want one" So Ironlady do you honestly expect certain posters on here to agree it's a good idea?[/p][/quote]I read the comment before I saw who had written it, and thought that only an idiot would write such drivel. I checked and I was correct.[/p][/quote]so again more insults what's the matter are you on the defensive?[/p][/quote]No. A factual statement. Linesman
  • Score: 2

1:02pm Sat 30 Aug 14

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
Why run it at all?

Who would set the questions for these referendums?

The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course.

By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote.
Here's a quick example of how I see it, you probably won't agree....

Taking a recent news article on 2 weekly refuse collections. A question could be asked for peoples thoughts on this. This could also allow people from say Eastleigh to voice their opinion on how it works for them so that Royston can take all views into account.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]Why run it at all? Who would set the questions for these referendums? The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course. By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote.[/p][/quote]Here's a quick example of how I see it, you probably won't agree.... Taking a recent news article on 2 weekly refuse collections. A question could be asked for peoples thoughts on this. This could also allow people from say Eastleigh to voice their opinion on how it works for them so that Royston can take all views into account. IronLady2010
  • Score: -1

5:54pm Sat 30 Aug 14

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result.

As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?
I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion.

For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion.

I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x
It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker.

MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face.

In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.
I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion.

I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel.

I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.
"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion."

If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it.

Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum?

I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local.

With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated.

I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.
But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face?

Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?
Why run it at all?

Who would set the questions for these referendums?

The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course.

By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote.
Here's a quick example of how I see it, you probably won't agree....

Taking a recent news article on 2 weekly refuse collections. A question could be asked for peoples thoughts on this. This could also allow people from say Eastleigh to voice their opinion on how it works for them so that Royston can take all views into account.
If, heaven forbid, he were elected as MP, the collection of household rubbish would not be part of his remit, but the responsibility of Southampton City Council, so it is City Councillors to whom comments or criticisms should be directed, not MPs.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: What is the point of a referendum if, as Royston Smith has stated, he would not necessarily be bound by the result. As WalkingOnWire has said, he would do better by making face to face contact with the electorate and listen to what they say, or is that too much like hard work?[/p][/quote]I quite like the idea. It could work, many people use the internet and it's a great way of getting the publics opinion. For obvious reasons, Of course no one can be assured that what the public 'suggest' can happen, it's simply a way of listening to public opinion. I'm sure you'll be voicing your opinion, Linesman. x[/p][/quote]It is a lazy option, and by using the internet, there would be no check on whether or not a person was actually a constituent, or whether or not they were just a mischief maker. MPs have surgeries, and are able to hold meetings where, in both cases, they meet their constituents face to face. In my opinion, there is no substitute for that.[/p][/quote]I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in the comfort of their own home to voice their opinion. I feel you are quite correct that the system could be manipulated by the few and I assume that's why Royston would only use the data as a guide on how the public feel. I guess it would be similar to the public opinion polls where the data is always correct but gives a rough idea as to how people are thinking.[/p][/quote]"I feel we have to take into account there are many people who wouldn't go to an MP's surgery and would rather sit in comfort of their own home to voice their opinion." If they cannot be bothered to get off their rear ends then, in my opinion, they cannot really be bothered to make their opinions known to those who can do something about it. Would they be able to find the energy to fill in a questionaire, or be bothered to go to a booth to cast a vote in a referendum? I very much doubt it. They would probably be content to express their opinion, in a very loud voice, while stood at the bar of their local. With regard the system being manipulated, and Royston only using the data as a guide. If he met people face to face, then that could not be manipulated. I think that he thought that it was a good, progressive idea, but had not really given it any deep thought.[/p][/quote]But, what if, this was run in conjunction with Surgeries and meeting people face to face? Surely an additional tool brings him closer to public opinion?[/p][/quote]Why run it at all? Who would set the questions for these referendums? The local Tory Party - the ones who are paying for it of course. By the way those questions are worded, people can be influenced in the way that they vote.[/p][/quote]Here's a quick example of how I see it, you probably won't agree.... Taking a recent news article on 2 weekly refuse collections. A question could be asked for peoples thoughts on this. This could also allow people from say Eastleigh to voice their opinion on how it works for them so that Royston can take all views into account.[/p][/quote]If, heaven forbid, he were elected as MP, the collection of household rubbish would not be part of his remit, but the responsibility of Southampton City Council, so it is City Councillors to whom comments or criticisms should be directed, not MPs. Linesman
  • Score: 1

2:33pm Thu 18 Sep 14

Dan Soton says...

Ex Cllr Alec Samuels.. Online referendums must be an easy process these days...


Yeah, if we were all given a Pin No it would be easy to cast a vote by phone, tablet and PC.. even off line via post..

Only one thing... political parties will have to agree to keep themselves in check.

Been bombarded by political views on every issues will lead to voter apathy.. outweighing all benefits


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Ex Cllr Alec Samuels.. Online referendums must be an easy process these days... Yeah, if we were all given a Pin No it would be easy to cast a vote by phone, tablet and PC.. even off line via post.. Only one thing... political parties will have to agree to keep themselves in check. Been bombarded by political views on every issues will lead to voter apathy.. outweighing all benefits ,, Dan Soton
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