Out of their depth (From Daily Echo)

No sane person would choose to live in the dungheap of druggies and drunks that is Totton so put your own house in order first.

A good letter well put, let's hope next time the electorate will use these events to get off the sofa and vote, whatever way they choose to go.

What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted?

It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Linesman wrote:
What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted?

It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate.

Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted?

It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate.

Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city.

Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted?

It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate.

Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city.

Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government.

Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted?

It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate.

Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city.

Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government.

Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government.
They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election.
at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost.
in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead
As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats.
We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead
As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats.
We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay?
How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer?
No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay.
Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting.
now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future?
Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections.
Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl?
you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Loosehead, you do a great job telling the truth and supporting the Tories.
You are correct, these Labour lies will catch up with them.
Any decent Labour people must be disgusted in the way local Labour Councillors have behaved.

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom.
If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned.
I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc;
I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject.
So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city.
But No reply Williams what's he doing?
What are you doing about jobs?
Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters?
If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

When are Labour going to tell us what cuts need to take place?
How much council tax will go up & when?
When is the review going to announce it's proposals on the refuse service?
Please Sotondave let us know when were going to see the extent of Labours lies!

Shoong said, "Many people don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately."

Loosehead said, "Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government."

Neither of these comments indicate a very high regard to the intelligence of the electorate. I wonder if they had the same opinion when Royston Smith's group came to power.

Like it or not, local politics cannot be divorced from National politics, because it is central government that hands out money, with strings attached, to local authorities.

It is the 'strings attached' that saw the council tax frozen because, if SCC had raised it, the Government would have been cut. This is just one example of why what has been happening in Westminster has influenced the council vote in Southampton.

Another reason could well be that the electorate are witnessing a government that appears to be 'shooting from the hip' with it's policies. The 'decisive action' taken on one day, resulting in a U-Turn the next. This does not inspire confidence.

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2.
I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down.
If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2.
I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down.
If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

I actually thought I'd give your leader & party a chance & see exactly what they're about.
I e-mailed him as a citizen of this city worried about Liverpools bid for cruise business & put aside my political view point & put an idea forward that I knew Moulton had started.
I couldn't find another name ( maybe Mussolini,Pol Pot?) for a dictatorial leader to sum up Williams rule of his Labour Party so used one that every one would know exactly what I meant.
I will refrain from using that name in future.
but everything you the Labour party got involved with against the last tory council & the things you have said have proven to be total lies so I can now see why you supported the Liar called Williams.
If you were all honest why didn't you speak out against him instead of closing ranks?

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2. I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down. If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

I actually thought I'd give your leader & party a chance & see exactly what they're about. I e-mailed him as a citizen of this city worried about Liverpools bid for cruise business & put aside my political view point & put an idea forward that I knew Moulton had started. I couldn't find another name ( maybe Mussolini,Pol Pot?) for a dictatorial leader to sum up Williams rule of his Labour Party so used one that every one would know exactly what I meant. I will refrain from using that name in future. but everything you the Labour party got involved with against the last tory council & the things you have said have proven to be total lies so I can now see why you supported the Liar called Williams. If you were all honest why didn't you speak out against him instead of closing ranks?

I was on a scrutiny panel last year looking at the cruise industry and how we can increase passenger spend in Southampton. There was a lengthy list of proposals which were mainly ignored by the Tory council. Local businesses have been setting up their own websites and trying some initiatives because the council were not proactive. It needs more than some magazines in hotels to attract passengers to stay in southampton.

Linesman wrote:
Shoong said, "Many people don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately."

Loosehead said, "Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government."

Neither of these comments indicate a very high regard to the intelligence of the electorate. I wonder if they had the same opinion when Royston Smith's group came to power.

Like it or not, local politics cannot be divorced from National politics, because it is central government that hands out money, with strings attached, to local authorities.

It is the 'strings attached' that saw the council tax frozen because, if SCC had raised it, the Government would have been cut. This is just one example of why what has been happening in Westminster has influenced the council vote in Southampton.

Another reason could well be that the electorate are witnessing a government that appears to be 'shooting from the hip' with it's policies. The 'decisive action' taken on one day, resulting in a U-Turn the next. This does not inspire confidence.

I stand by my comment, the majority of the electorate are thick, law of averages surely.

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2.
I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down.
If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

I actually thought I'd give your leader & party a chance & see exactly what they're about.
I e-mailed him as a citizen of this city worried about Liverpools bid for cruise business & put aside my political view point & put an idea forward that I knew Moulton had started.
I couldn't find another name ( maybe Mussolini,Pol Pot?) for a dictatorial leader to sum up Williams rule of his Labour Party so used one that every one would know exactly what I meant.
I will refrain from using that name in future.
but everything you the Labour party got involved with against the last tory council & the things you have said have proven to be total lies so I can now see why you supported the Liar called Williams.
If you were all honest why didn't you speak out against him instead of closing ranks?

This is absolutely hilarious. Williams has been in charge for a few weeks, and is being accused of being dictatorial.

What the hell was Royston Smith, your beloved leader, if it was not dictatorial?

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2. I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down. If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

I actually thought I'd give your leader & party a chance & see exactly what they're about. I e-mailed him as a citizen of this city worried about Liverpools bid for cruise business & put aside my political view point & put an idea forward that I knew Moulton had started. I couldn't find another name ( maybe Mussolini,Pol Pot?) for a dictatorial leader to sum up Williams rule of his Labour Party so used one that every one would know exactly what I meant. I will refrain from using that name in future. but everything you the Labour party got involved with against the last tory council & the things you have said have proven to be total lies so I can now see why you supported the Liar called Williams. If you were all honest why didn't you speak out against him instead of closing ranks?

I was on a scrutiny panel last year looking at the cruise industry and how we can increase passenger spend in Southampton. There was a lengthy list of proposals which were mainly ignored by the Tory council. Local businesses have been setting up their own websites and trying some initiatives because the council were not proactive. It needs more than some magazines in hotels to attract passengers to stay in southampton.

I was living in Thailand for a year & saw how they promoted Pattaya through Magazines/Brochures & DVD's to be shown on board planes & for the brochures to be in every hotel room advertising what there was to do I saw the same type of thing in Bangkok but sorry if a tourist country did it of course it can't be right can it?
I have suggested we do re-enactments of say Canute trying to stop the waters or the Frech attacking the waves or the Pilgrim Fathers boarding the Mayflower but I guess I just haven't got a clue & I didn't read how Jeremy Moulton was talking to the Cruise companies to see how to keep the passengers here in this city?
Like your leader you only remember what you want us to believe

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:
Shoong said, "Many people don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately."

Loosehead said, "Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government."

Neither of these comments indicate a very high regard to the intelligence of the electorate. I wonder if they had the same opinion when Royston Smith's group came to power.

Like it or not, local politics cannot be divorced from National politics, because it is central government that hands out money, with strings attached, to local authorities.

It is the 'strings attached' that saw the council tax frozen because, if SCC had raised it, the Government would have been cut. This is just one example of why what has been happening in Westminster has influenced the council vote in Southampton.

Another reason could well be that the electorate are witnessing a government that appears to be 'shooting from the hip' with it's policies. The 'decisive action' taken on one day, resulting in a U-Turn the next. This does not inspire confidence.

I stand by my comment, the majority of the electorate are thick, law of averages surely.

So you think they were thick to when they elected a Tory council headed by Royston Smith.

At least they had the intelligence to rectify their mistake.

Linesman wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

sottondave wrote:

loosehead wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote:

Shoong wrote:

Linesman wrote: What makes Dorothy Fudge think that the result would have been different if the other two thirds of the electorate had voted? It is more likely that Royston Smith would have suffered an even bigger vote of No Confidence.

Maybe not, been it would have been a darn sight closer I suspect and reflect the true alignment of the electorate. Of course, a disillusioned electorate is good for Labour, it certainly helped didn't it!

If you are saying that it was a Tory majority that did not bother to vote, then surely that is an indication that they had no confidence in Smith's competence to run the city. Was there a higher percentage turn out at the previous council elections? If there was, by how much?

No I think it was more people disillusioned with the coalition government. Many people in my experience don't distinguish between electing Councillors and MPs unfortunately.

Labour went out of it's way to make that local election about the National Government. They were keen to see the Next Test Labour candidate in power getting public support for the next general election. at this time Williams would have had more of a chance if Labour had lost. in two years after tax increases & fortnightly bin collections have been introduced lets see if Labour stay in power?

Loosehead As Labour has 30 seats to the Tories 16 it is extremely unlikely that the Tories will be taking over in two years time. In fact the Tories will be defending several seats they lost this time so it is more likely that the Tories will end up with fewer seats. We are here to stay and it does not matter how much vitriol you and your Tory friends pour on us we will be in for a very long time.

Just carry on making a total mess as you've already started to do & we'll see if your here to stay? How many more lies are going to be proven against your beloved Fuhrer? No matter how die hard a Labour supporter you are sooner or later enough will be enough then we'll see if your here to stay. Many people didn't want you in but weren't convinced you were lying about the tory council so just abstained by not voting. now they can see the Tories were indeed telling the truth so you all laughed as your lies had worked but who'll be laughing in the future? Please keep up your lies & then get rid of 1-10 refuse collectors & bring on fortnightly collections. Oh! have you stopped the creation of 450 jobs for Millbrook & Lordshill by Lidl? you did say you were going to create 1,500 jobs & 1,500 homes yet have stopped the townhill park development or were those just lies as well?

Fuhrer eh. Its always a race to the bottom for you isn't it.

Sorry I've always clashed heads in my sport never been near any ones bottom. If you all vote as Williams wants & not one of you voted against him either your all robots or your scared or you've been brainwashed by the man & that's why Fuhrer was mentioned. I e-mailed your leader & asked him if the Magazine you print could in a way be used as a tourist information magazine to be put on ships & in hotels letting those visitors to this great city see what we had to offer in historical buildings,museums restaurants etc; I had no reply Jeremy Moulton was in talks with the cruise companies on this type of subject. So the Tories were actively trying to keep & attract tourism & to bring more jobs to the city. But No reply Williams what's he doing? What are you doing about jobs? Are you now in favour of Lidl's or don't you want 450 jobs for your voters? If in this country we could be picky I would understand objections to it but Barker Mills are hell bent on selling that land so I'd rather see 450 jobs for the unemployed than say another retail park or housing estate as in Redbridge rd

Using words such as Fuhrer or comparing people with the Nazis is inappropriate. You disagree with Richard Williams but comparing him with a mass murderer is not acceptable. An internet blog discussion should never use comparisons with the nazis unless you are talking about the Nazis and WW2.
I think you should reduce the volume on your vitriol as it does not do you credit. If you want to discuss with me jobs or the cruise industry in an adult manner then calm down.
If your e-mail to Richard Williams was in the same vein as your contributions to the Echo website I am not surprised he has ignored you.

I actually thought I'd give your leader & party a chance & see exactly what they're about.
I e-mailed him as a citizen of this city worried about Liverpools bid for cruise business & put aside my political view point & put an idea forward that I knew Moulton had started.
I couldn't find another name ( maybe Mussolini,Pol Pot?) for a dictatorial leader to sum up Williams rule of his Labour Party so used one that every one would know exactly what I meant.
I will refrain from using that name in future.
but everything you the Labour party got involved with against the last tory council & the things you have said have proven to be total lies so I can now see why you supported the Liar called Williams.
If you were all honest why didn't you speak out against him instead of closing ranks?

This is absolutely hilarious. Williams has been in charge for a few weeks, and is being accused of being dictatorial.

What the hell was Royston Smith, your beloved leader, if it was not dictatorial?

I'm getting really fed up with this type of b*ll.
Williams was in charge before the elections wasn't he?
Barnes Andrews resigned because he felt Williams lied didn't he?
Morrell resigned because Williams lied didn't he?
Then he /the labour party gag councillors then he Williams puts in place a party whip & not one of them stood up & told the truth they followed his orders this very man who in this paper said great the truth will come out yet he gagged it?
Are you trying to tell me Raynor signed a press release without reading it?
Or was she told to lie as well?
I'm pro Bio Mass/green energy I have been told that the tories are Against it did I or have I done what these Labour Councillors did? no I said I would be honest & say what I felt to be right.