Lame excuses for fluoride

REPEATING parrot-fashion the lame excuses served up to Southern Water’s customers, Meyrick Gough (Daily Echo August 15), dismisses the company’s moral obligations out of hand.

Southern Water is well aware of the bogus nature of the consultation on fluoride and the health authority’s self-contradictory and deliberately misleading communications on the subject. They have ample scope for raising objections to the scheme, which they could easily do by confining themselves to their supposedly “advisory” role.

If the management cannot access the medical and ethical issues involved in fluoridation (which they have already admitted IS medication) they have absolutely no business to be in charge. Full stop.

G PAYNE, Southampton .

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12:46pm Thu 30 Aug 12

Linesman says...

I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply.

It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere.

Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'.
I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply. It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere. Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'. Linesman

5:23pm Sun 2 Sep 12

Dan Soton says...

Linesman wrote:
I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply.

It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere.

Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'.
Linesman has said umpteen times.. fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer.

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Linesman, Southampton has naturally occurring fluoride in its water supply, how would you go about comparing Southampton's Teeth/Health and Obesity/Cancer with say Birmingham's?..

Hmmm.. is there anywhere in the world that's totally fluoride toothpaste and fluoride water supply free?..

Maybe Somalia, birth place of Mo Farah? located on the Horn of Africa its public healthcare system has been blown away by civil wars.

Somalian diet.. Frying is the most common method of cooking, Somalians like to eat with their fingers, lamb or goat meat is considered the best meat to eat, tea is the most common drink and is taken with lots of sugar usually 4-6 times a day, home-made cakes are often eaten as snacks.. what do you know almost identical to a Brummie's diet.

Somalians have few cavities, they clean their teeth twice a day and scrape their tongues with a cleaning stick collected from the branches of a tree called "Roomay" or a stick called "Muswaki" made from the root of another type of tree.

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Linesman you say fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer which some say are good indicators of fluoride poisoning.



1) Somalian Colon-Rectum Cancers.. World Rank 131.


2) Somalian Uterin Cancer.. World Rank 139.


3) Somalian Prostate Cancer.. World Rank 142.


4) Somalian Stomach Cancer.. World Rank 128.


5) Somalian Leukemia.. World Rank 135.


6) Somalian Obesity.. World Rank 164.

 
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So summing-up.. when they are eating well Somalian's have an almost identical diet to a Brummie.. like frying meat, tea taken with lots of sugar 4-6 times a day and cakes are often eaten as snacks yet they have few Cavities and low Cancer rates.

Linesman, like you I'm no Scientist but do you have your Midlands/Newcastle Obesity/Cancer rates at hand for me to cogitate over ?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply. It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere. Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'.[/p][/quote]Linesman has said umpteen times.. fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer. -  Linesman, Southampton has naturally occurring fluoride in its water supply, how would you go about comparing Southampton's Teeth/Health and Obesity/Cancer with say Birmingham's?.. Hmmm.. is there anywhere in the world that's totally fluoride toothpaste and fluoride water supply free?.. Maybe Somalia, birth place of Mo Farah? located on the Horn of Africa its public healthcare system has been blown away by civil wars. Somalian diet.. Frying is the most common method of cooking, Somalians like to eat with their fingers, lamb or goat meat is considered the best meat to eat, tea is the most common drink and is taken with lots of sugar usually 4-6 times a day, home-made cakes are often eaten as snacks.. what do you know almost identical to a Brummie's diet. Somalians have few cavities, they clean their teeth twice a day and scrape their tongues with a cleaning stick collected from the branches of a tree called "Roomay" or a stick called "Muswaki" made from the root of another type of tree. - Linesman you say fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer which some say are good indicators of fluoride poisoning. 1) Somalian Colon-Rectum Cancers.. World Rank 131. 2) Somalian Uterin Cancer.. World Rank 139. 3) Somalian Prostate Cancer.. World Rank 142. 4) Somalian Stomach Cancer.. World Rank 128. 5) Somalian Leukemia.. World Rank 135. 6) Somalian Obesity.. World Rank 164.   - So summing-up.. when they are eating well Somalian's have an almost identical diet to a Brummie.. like frying meat, tea taken with lots of sugar 4-6 times a day and cakes are often eaten as snacks yet they have few Cavities and low Cancer rates. Linesman, like you I'm no Scientist but do you have your Midlands/Newcastle Obesity/Cancer rates at hand for me to cogitate over ? Dan Soton

8:43pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply.

It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere.

Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'.
Linesman has said umpteen times.. fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer.

- 

Linesman, Southampton has naturally occurring fluoride in its water supply, how would you go about comparing Southampton's Teeth/Health and Obesity/Cancer with say Birmingham's?..

Hmmm.. is there anywhere in the world that's totally fluoride toothpaste and fluoride water supply free?..

Maybe Somalia, birth place of Mo Farah? located on the Horn of Africa its public healthcare system has been blown away by civil wars.

Somalian diet.. Frying is the most common method of cooking, Somalians like to eat with their fingers, lamb or goat meat is considered the best meat to eat, tea is the most common drink and is taken with lots of sugar usually 4-6 times a day, home-made cakes are often eaten as snacks.. what do you know almost identical to a Brummie's diet.

Somalians have few cavities, they clean their teeth twice a day and scrape their tongues with a cleaning stick collected from the branches of a tree called "Roomay" or a stick called "Muswaki" made from the root of another type of tree.

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Linesman you say fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer which some say are good indicators of fluoride poisoning.



1) Somalian Colon-Rectum Cancers.. World Rank 131.


2) Somalian Uterin Cancer.. World Rank 139.


3) Somalian Prostate Cancer.. World Rank 142.


4) Somalian Stomach Cancer.. World Rank 128.


5) Somalian Leukemia.. World Rank 135.


6) Somalian Obesity.. World Rank 164.

 
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So summing-up.. when they are eating well Somalian's have an almost identical diet to a Brummie.. like frying meat, tea taken with lots of sugar 4-6 times a day and cakes are often eaten as snacks yet they have few Cavities and low Cancer rates.

Linesman, like you I'm no Scientist but do you have your Midlands/Newcastle Obesity/Cancer rates at hand for me to cogitate over ?
Today Public Health Minister says decisions on fluoridation should be made at local level

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This will mean ensuring local people’s opinions on fluoridation are considered before decisions are made to adopt, change or end fluoridation programmes

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Views sought on how local authorities should consult on fluoridation schemes.

September 4, 2012.

A consultation on what local authorities should do and who they should involve when considering water fluoridation schemes has been launched today by Public Health Minister Anne Milton.

Views are being sought solely on the process by which local authorities carry out consultations and decision-making on new and existing fluoridation proposals – not on the pros or cons of fluoridation itself.

These changes are prompted by the abolition of Strategic Health Authorities, which currently carry out this role, and means local authorities will be given new responsibilities and powers to improve the health of their communities.

This will mean ensuring local people’s opinions on fluoridation are considered before decisions are made to adopt, change or end fluoridation programmes.

This is just one of a raft of improvements that, from April 2013, will give greater power and responsibility to local authorities to make a real impact in improving the health of their local community.

Public Health Minister Anne Milton said:

“Decision-making on public health issues should be made at the local level where they understand what is needed and where the community’s voice can best be heard.

“We want to hear as many views as possible about how this process should work when local authorities get their new powers next year – I encourage everyone to take part.”

Strategic Health Authorities currently have the responsibility for considering changes to fluoridation in local areas, but this consultation is about how this power is taken over by local authorities.

It will seek views on a range of processes related to making local decisions including how public views are considered and how joint decisions are made in areas where water supply covers more than on local authority.

The consultation will be open for responses from 4 September to 27 November. Any person, business or organisation with an interest is encouraged to respond.

Any decisions will only be taken after full consideration is given to consultation responses, evidence and other relevant information.


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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I imagine that they would have checked on the benefits derived from more that half a century of fluoride being added the the Midlands water supply. It has had a beneficial effect on the population and their life expectancy is the same as elsewhere. Of course, there fluoride was introduced before there were so many self-taught 'Experts'.[/p][/quote]Linesman has said umpteen times.. fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer. -  Linesman, Southampton has naturally occurring fluoride in its water supply, how would you go about comparing Southampton's Teeth/Health and Obesity/Cancer with say Birmingham's?.. Hmmm.. is there anywhere in the world that's totally fluoride toothpaste and fluoride water supply free?.. Maybe Somalia, birth place of Mo Farah? located on the Horn of Africa its public healthcare system has been blown away by civil wars. Somalian diet.. Frying is the most common method of cooking, Somalians like to eat with their fingers, lamb or goat meat is considered the best meat to eat, tea is the most common drink and is taken with lots of sugar usually 4-6 times a day, home-made cakes are often eaten as snacks.. what do you know almost identical to a Brummie's diet. Somalians have few cavities, they clean their teeth twice a day and scrape their tongues with a cleaning stick collected from the branches of a tree called "Roomay" or a stick called "Muswaki" made from the root of another type of tree. - Linesman you say fluoride is not linked to Obesity or Cancer which some say are good indicators of fluoride poisoning. 1) Somalian Colon-Rectum Cancers.. World Rank 131. 2) Somalian Uterin Cancer.. World Rank 139. 3) Somalian Prostate Cancer.. World Rank 142. 4) Somalian Stomach Cancer.. World Rank 128. 5) Somalian Leukemia.. World Rank 135. 6) Somalian Obesity.. World Rank 164.   - So summing-up.. when they are eating well Somalian's have an almost identical diet to a Brummie.. like frying meat, tea taken with lots of sugar 4-6 times a day and cakes are often eaten as snacks yet they have few Cavities and low Cancer rates. Linesman, like you I'm no Scientist but do you have your Midlands/Newcastle Obesity/Cancer rates at hand for me to cogitate over ?[/p][/quote]Today Public Health Minister says decisions on fluoridation should be made at local level - This will mean ensuring local people’s opinions on fluoridation are considered before decisions are made to adopt, change or end fluoridation programmes - Views sought on how local authorities should consult on fluoridation schemes. September 4, 2012. A consultation on what local authorities should do and who they should involve when considering water fluoridation schemes has been launched today by Public Health Minister Anne Milton. Views are being sought solely on the process by which local authorities carry out consultations and decision-making on new and existing fluoridation proposals – not on the pros or cons of fluoridation itself. These changes are prompted by the abolition of Strategic Health Authorities, which currently carry out this role, and means local authorities will be given new responsibilities and powers to improve the health of their communities. This will mean ensuring local people’s opinions on fluoridation are considered before decisions are made to adopt, change or end fluoridation programmes. This is just one of a raft of improvements that, from April 2013, will give greater power and responsibility to local authorities to make a real impact in improving the health of their local community. Public Health Minister Anne Milton said: “Decision-making on public health issues should be made at the local level where they understand what is needed and where the community’s voice can best be heard. “We want to hear as many views as possible about how this process should work when local authorities get their new powers next year – I encourage everyone to take part.” Strategic Health Authorities currently have the responsibility for considering changes to fluoridation in local areas, but this consultation is about how this power is taken over by local authorities. It will seek views on a range of processes related to making local decisions including how public views are considered and how joint decisions are made in areas where water supply covers more than on local authority. The consultation will be open for responses from 4 September to 27 November. Any person, business or organisation with an interest is encouraged to respond. Any decisions will only be taken after full consideration is given to consultation responses, evidence and other relevant information. - http://mediacentre.d h.gov.uk/2012/09/04/ views-sought-on-how- local-authorities-sh ould-consult-on-fluo ridation-schemes/ Dan Soton

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