Empty health centre costs £1.5m to run every year

Daily Echo: Adelaide Health Centre Adelaide Health Centre

IT’S the multi-million pound state-of-the-art building that promised to be a first class health hub fit for the 21st century.

Hailed as a one-stop shop for all health needs for thousands of patients and a much-anticipated walk-in centre, there was great excitement and optimism when Adelaide Health Centre first opened its doors.

But almost four years on those hopes have been shattered.

What should have been a centre of excellence for healthcare has been slammed as a “ghost town” by critics who have branded it a “white elephant” which is costing taxpayers £1.5m per year to run.

But health bosses, who have admitted that Adelaide Health Centre is not yet working to its full capacity, defended the situation, explaining that they have only been in charge of the building since April.

NHS Property Services have now vowed to make Adelaide their priority – to ensure it fulfils its potential.

When it opened in January 2010, the centre, built under the Government’s PFI initiative on the Western Community Hospital site, promised to be a bustling health hub, serving some 20,000 registered patients together with a state-of-the-art walk-in centre.

But currently only 3,500 patients are registered at the GP surgery, after plans for local practices to move in failed, the third floor is home to Solent NHS Trust’s admin staff and there is no full walk-in centre.

There is no question about the quality of the building or the services currently running there, such as podiatry and physiotherapy – critics simply want the centre fully utilised and to become the centre of excellence they were promised.

Kevin Liles, who was part of the team who put together the plan for Adelaide before he retired, said: “This is a disgraceful waste of precious public funding.

“It is Southampton’s most expensive, biggest community asset yet it has become a ghost town compared to the hopes we had for it back at the start.

“It is a wasted opportunity because it just seems that the public is paying a lot of money for an admin block.

“The pharmacy, which has the best opening hours in the city, came in and they were promised it would be a buzzing centre, but that just hasn’t happened.

“I think questions need to be asked because it is tiny compared to what it could have been.

“It could be a real centre of excellence for healthcare and health bosses need a kick to get it where it should be.

“Patients using the other surgeries are putting up with terrible accommodation yet there is this purpose-built centre, literally round the corner, doing nothing.

“Deals with GP practices to make the premises affordable must be struck and a walk in centre and minor injury service introduced to stop unnecessary visits Southampton General Hospital’s A&E.”

His views were echoed by Southampton Test MP Alan Whitehead, who vowed to raise the issue with health bosses to ensure the ambitions of the centre are met.

He said: “It has fallen short of what was promised when it was first opened”

It will also be a priority for Southampton city councillor Dave Shields, Cabinet member for health, who believes the difficulty may lie in the fact that it is not run locally.

He said: “I think it is a really nice building but what we have to make sure is that we are making the most of it.

“If it is not being used to its full capacity then this is an opportunity for us to change that by working closer with GPs and health services.”

Councillor Don Thomas, whose constituents use the centre, added: “The hopes and aspirations for such a hub right in the heart of the community all looked ideal at the time and for this not to come off is a real disappointment. But this doesn’t have to be a white elephant.

“Councillors and health bosses have a role to play to ensure we get the thriving health hub we were promised because this is a lot of NHS money being paid out for what has become an admin block.”

Initially there had been plans for three of the city’s GP surgeries to move into the building but this has not happened.

When asked why they decided not to make the move into the state-of-the-art facility, cost was a major factor.

Victor Street Surgery said that it declined the offer to move to Adelaide for both financial and patient care reasons, concluding that the centre “didn’t meet our needs”.

Practice manager at Brook House Surgery, Adrienne Ely, added: “We owned our building and we just felt from our point of view that the benefits were not there.”

Cathy Rooke, practice manager at Cheviot Road Surgery, said the move had no financial benefits.

This failure to entice GP practices to the complex in Millbrook has caused much frustration for Maqsood Yasin, one of the pharmacists who runs Adelaide Pharmacy at the health centre, who moved in after being told it would be a thriving hub of healthcare.

He said: “I feel that this centre has massive potential which has not yet been utilised.

“With extra services in the building it could reach that full potential, meeting the needs of the immediate local community and the general population.

“It would be nice to see this building become the one-stop shop that had been envisaged back when it was first opened, with other doctor surgeries and a walk-in element.”

The majority of the services at the health centre, including the walk-in nurse-led service, are run by Solent NHS Trust, which leases the space for £1.5m per annum. The trust insists the fees are proportionate but those criticising the lack of services at the centre argue that it would be paying for itself if it was used to its full potential.

Michael Parr, director of finance and performance at the trust, said: “Patients will often be seen straight away or only have a short wait, which goes some way explaining why waiting areas may not look busy all the time.

“We are currently in conversation with our landlord to bring in our range of children’s services into the building – which will no doubt see a vast increase in floor space utilisation.”

A spokesman for NHS Property Services, which has overall responsibility for the centre, said: “Adelaide health centre transferred to NHS Property Services in April 2013, when we came into existence, and our priority is to make sure that it is utilised to its full potential for the benefit of the local community and we are currently working closely with local commissioners to achieve this.”

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6:23am Fri 24 Jan 14

KSO16R says...

Long waits, locum doctors and believe it or not not enough parking. That's my experience of the place.
Long waits, locum doctors and believe it or not not enough parking. That's my experience of the place. KSO16R

6:37am Fri 24 Jan 14

IndyJones says...

KSO16R wrote:
Long waits, locum doctors and believe it or not not enough parking. That's my experience of the place.
Totally agree. I've lost count of the appointments of mine they have cancelled because of lack of staff.
[quote][p][bold]KSO16R[/bold] wrote: Long waits, locum doctors and believe it or not not enough parking. That's my experience of the place.[/p][/quote]Totally agree. I've lost count of the appointments of mine they have cancelled because of lack of staff. IndyJones

6:45am Fri 24 Jan 14

Vix1 says...

I purposely chose Brook House because it is a small surgery. Adelaide looks too much like a hospital.
I purposely chose Brook House because it is a small surgery. Adelaide looks too much like a hospital. Vix1

7:39am Fri 24 Jan 14

soton_resident says...

Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors! soton_resident

8:06am Fri 24 Jan 14

Zexagon says...

soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
[quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet Zexagon

8:25am Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

had to take my wife there for ear nose & throat doctor never realised it was there never realised it was suppose to be a walk in centre but will agree about parking as I parked in Tesco's car park.
this fully staffed & functioning could be a great asset to the local community so why let it go to waste?
had to take my wife there for ear nose & throat doctor never realised it was there never realised it was suppose to be a walk in centre but will agree about parking as I parked in Tesco's car park. this fully staffed & functioning could be a great asset to the local community so why let it go to waste? loosehead

8:45am Fri 24 Jan 14

AndyP says...

The parking is atrocious, every time I have taken my father there the patients car park has been full with cars left all over the place. Go in the building and wonder where everyone is, with only a few people in the waiting area, guess the staff take most of the spaces.
The parking is atrocious, every time I have taken my father there the patients car park has been full with cars left all over the place. Go in the building and wonder where everyone is, with only a few people in the waiting area, guess the staff take most of the spaces. AndyP

9:08am Fri 24 Jan 14

Galanthus says...

Trouble is it's a long way from where people live so driving is almost the only way there. And the parking is utterly inadequate as it is. Imagine if it were being used more!! Excellent place though- just in the wrong place.
Trouble is it's a long way from where people live so driving is almost the only way there. And the parking is utterly inadequate as it is. Imagine if it were being used more!! Excellent place though- just in the wrong place. Galanthus

10:14am Fri 24 Jan 14

chapelbackrow says...

Maybe this centre could do blood tests etc to reduce the queues at the General. Parking at both sites an issue though, maybe a nominal charge for short term parking would be the answer with prohibitive charges for long term. Ref the pharmacy, couldn't be better, attentive knowledgable staff, always willing to help.
Maybe this centre could do blood tests etc to reduce the queues at the General. Parking at both sites an issue though, maybe a nominal charge for short term parking would be the answer with prohibitive charges for long term. Ref the pharmacy, couldn't be better, attentive knowledgable staff, always willing to help. chapelbackrow

10:21am Fri 24 Jan 14

KSO16R says...

Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
Can't ride a bike with a bad leg!
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]Can't ride a bike with a bad leg! KSO16R

10:39am Fri 24 Jan 14

Adlof Hilter says...

It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.)
PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.)
And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long.
John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.
It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.) PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.) And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long. John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery. Adlof Hilter

11:16am Fri 24 Jan 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

Adlof Hilter wrote:
It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.)
PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.)
And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long.
John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.
The money should have been invested in improving local practices which are located where patients live, have trust of the local population and have long histories of highly cost efficient care
Dr Glasspool's figures are highly illuminating
[quote][p][bold]Adlof Hilter[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.) PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.) And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long. John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.[/p][/quote]The money should have been invested in improving local practices which are located where patients live, have trust of the local population and have long histories of highly cost efficient care Dr Glasspool's figures are highly illuminating There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire

12:19pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Galanthus wrote:
Trouble is it's a long way from where people live so driving is almost the only way there. And the parking is utterly inadequate as it is. Imagine if it were being used more!! Excellent place though- just in the wrong place.
really ? this is right next to Millbrook Green park estate it has Shirley & old Millbrook plus Shirley Warren & Maybush all in easy walking distances from it plus a First bus stop right near it so a walk in centre here would be a great relive on A&E
[quote][p][bold]Galanthus[/bold] wrote: Trouble is it's a long way from where people live so driving is almost the only way there. And the parking is utterly inadequate as it is. Imagine if it were being used more!! Excellent place though- just in the wrong place.[/p][/quote]really ? this is right next to Millbrook Green park estate it has Shirley & old Millbrook plus Shirley Warren & Maybush all in easy walking distances from it plus a First bus stop right near it so a walk in centre here would be a great relive on A&E loosehead

12:44pm Fri 24 Jan 14

waltons11 says...

I was sent there for physiotherapy for back and hip problems, however there is no direct bus route and it is quite a long walk when you have extreme pain in your joints. I only attended once and now do exercises at home for my condition as there is no way that I can face that walk again in the winter months. Why is there no shuttle bus as there is with RSH and the General? That may tempt more people to use the facilities.
I was sent there for physiotherapy for back and hip problems, however there is no direct bus route and it is quite a long walk when you have extreme pain in your joints. I only attended once and now do exercises at home for my condition as there is no way that I can face that walk again in the winter months. Why is there no shuttle bus as there is with RSH and the General? That may tempt more people to use the facilities. waltons11

2:32pm Fri 24 Jan 14

halo-man says...

I have been a patient at Adelaide from the very beginning, the service at first was first class, however as soon as Dr Brooks left things very quickly went downhill. The NHS staff fill the patient car park by 8-30am everyday, despite have an area at Tesco for exclusive parking. Locum Doctors are not interested in patient aftercare and this has been a problem as well. The various clinics are very hit and miss depending on staff being available, usually with a 3-4 week wait or the chance to go somewhere else!! As a Diabetic I need regular eye check-ups, a very good service is offered for this, however not at Adelaide. The coffee and snack bar is never open, so only expensive machines are available. The Doctors surgery gives excellent service to it's patients but has suffered from a lack of Doctors this has recently been somewhat better with new GP's coming on-board.
I feel for this facility to work properly the car park needs to be for patients only and strictly enforced, a bus service every 15 mins needs to be arranged and finally ADVERTISE it, so many people have never heard of it.
I have been a patient at Adelaide from the very beginning, the service at first was first class, however as soon as Dr Brooks left things very quickly went downhill. The NHS staff fill the patient car park by 8-30am everyday, despite have an area at Tesco for exclusive parking. Locum Doctors are not interested in patient aftercare and this has been a problem as well. The various clinics are very hit and miss depending on staff being available, usually with a 3-4 week wait or the chance to go somewhere else!! As a Diabetic I need regular eye check-ups, a very good service is offered for this, however not at Adelaide. The coffee and snack bar is never open, so only expensive machines are available. The Doctors surgery gives excellent service to it's patients but has suffered from a lack of Doctors this has recently been somewhat better with new GP's coming on-board. I feel for this facility to work properly the car park needs to be for patients only and strictly enforced, a bus service every 15 mins needs to be arranged and finally ADVERTISE it, so many people have never heard of it. halo-man

3:16pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

waltons11 wrote:
I was sent there for physiotherapy for back and hip problems, however there is no direct bus route and it is quite a long walk when you have extreme pain in your joints. I only attended once and now do exercises at home for my condition as there is no way that I can face that walk again in the winter months. Why is there no shuttle bus as there is with RSH and the General? That may tempt more people to use the facilities.
what happened to the4 NO17?
[quote][p][bold]waltons11[/bold] wrote: I was sent there for physiotherapy for back and hip problems, however there is no direct bus route and it is quite a long walk when you have extreme pain in your joints. I only attended once and now do exercises at home for my condition as there is no way that I can face that walk again in the winter months. Why is there no shuttle bus as there is with RSH and the General? That may tempt more people to use the facilities.[/p][/quote]what happened to the4 NO17? loosehead

5:01pm Fri 24 Jan 14

southy says...

Let me point some thing to those not in the know, the walk-in-center that was to replace the one in Shirley is by appointments only
Let me point some thing to those not in the know, the walk-in-center that was to replace the one in Shirley is by appointments only southy

5:06pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Adlof Hilter wrote:
It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.)
PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.)
And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long.
John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.
Whilst i am in no position to prove otherwise ..... i am somewhat surprised that ...... John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP ...... would not use "Dr" in front of his name ........ and that he would have a log in name of "Adolf Hitler".
[quote][p][bold]Adlof Hilter[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.) PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.) And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long. John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.[/p][/quote]Whilst i am in no position to prove otherwise ..... i am somewhat surprised that ...... John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP ...... would not use "Dr" in front of his name ........ and that he would have a log in name of "Adolf Hitler". Lone Ranger.

5:07pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Adlof Hilter wrote:
It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.)
PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.)
And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long.
John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.
Whilst i am in no position to prove otherwise ..... i am somewhat surprised that ...... John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP ...... would not use "Dr" in front of his name ........ and that he would have a log in name of "Adolf Hitler".
...... or perhaps even the "Adlof Hilter"
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Adlof Hilter[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.) PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.) And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long. John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.[/p][/quote]Whilst i am in no position to prove otherwise ..... i am somewhat surprised that ...... John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP ...... would not use "Dr" in front of his name ........ and that he would have a log in name of "Adolf Hitler".[/p][/quote]...... or perhaps even the "Adlof Hilter" Lone Ranger.

7:14pm Fri 24 Jan 14

george h says...

Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
[quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal. george h

7:38pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Linesman says...

Adlof Hilter wrote:
It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.)
PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.)
And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long.
John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.
He is an Opposition MP. This is just an example of Cameron's pre-election promise that the |NHS would be safe in his hands.
[quote][p][bold]Adlof Hilter[/bold] wrote: It will be interesting to hear Alan Whitehead's take on it as it was his party that insisted every PCT in the country had to have one of these "Darzi Centres". (Based really on perceived problems with Primary Care in London.) A Darzi centre in Basingstoke isn't much use to people in RIngwood- yet there is/was one! I have done a FOIA enquiry every year about the costs of the place and the GP practice last year cost the NHS c £250 per patient per year. Compare this with the average local practice which receives only £100 - and only that if they achieve various almost unattainable targets to activate bonus payments. (The base figure is now about £67.) PFI buildings cost YOU- the taxpayer, masses. I am told the public purse is charged per cubic meter- that is why there is so much nice, EMPTY space in there! (Huge atrium.) And there is dirt to tell about why at least my practice didn't move in there, but it would take too long. John Glasspool BM FRCP FRCGP Senior Partner, Victor St Surgery.[/p][/quote]He is an Opposition MP. This is just an example of Cameron's pre-election promise that the |NHS would be safe in his hands. Linesman

8:42pm Fri 24 Jan 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road loosehead

11:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

george h says...

loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal. george h

12:09am Sat 25 Jan 14

george h says...

george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really. george h

7:06am Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre.
you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.[/p][/quote]I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre. you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre loosehead

9:16am Sat 25 Jan 14

george h says...

loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre.
you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre
The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really?

Clearly, you've never done it yourself.

Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it?

Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location.

Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location.

I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.[/p][/quote]I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre. you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre[/p][/quote]The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really? Clearly, you've never done it yourself. Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it? Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location. Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location. I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead. george h

12:24pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre.
you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre
The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really?

Clearly, you've never done it yourself.

Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it?

Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location.

Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location.

I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.
george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre.
I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way,
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.[/p][/quote]I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre. you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre[/p][/quote]The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really? Clearly, you've never done it yourself. Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it? Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location. Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location. I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.[/p][/quote]george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre. I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way, loosehead

3:34pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Redhaired22 says...

george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
I work there, cycle to work and cross on foot with my bike over Tebourba Way into Oakley road and then Walnut Grove, there's a back gate you can enter with a cycle, wheelchair, pram or on foot.

There is always plenty of parking in Tesco's unless you have mobility issues. Spaces often become available quite quickly with a little patience. Parking is a nightmare everywhere, including the Royal South Hants where you have to pay and surgeries including my own which have tiny car parks and few spaces. Sadly, we've all become used to parking.There is a direct bus service run by Velvet. There are other services that also stop in Oakley Road literally a minute's walk away.
[quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]I work there, cycle to work and cross on foot with my bike over Tebourba Way into Oakley road and then Walnut Grove, there's a back gate you can enter with a cycle, wheelchair, pram or on foot. There is always plenty of parking in Tesco's unless you have mobility issues. Spaces often become available quite quickly with a little patience. Parking is a nightmare everywhere, including the Royal South Hants where you have to pay and surgeries including my own which have tiny car parks and few spaces. Sadly, we've all become used to parking.There is a direct bus service run by Velvet. There are other services that also stop in Oakley Road literally a minute's walk away. Redhaired22

3:38pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Redhaired22 says...

loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre.
you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre
The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really?

Clearly, you've never done it yourself.

Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it?

Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location.

Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location.

I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.
george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre.
I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way,
The way from Shirley is to go from Shirley High Street/Romsey Road, down King Edwards Avenue/Oakley Road, cross the road on foot across Tebourba Way into Oakley Road, and then Walnut Grove. Why are you getting so het up about this?
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.[/p][/quote]I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre. you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre[/p][/quote]The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really? Clearly, you've never done it yourself. Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it? Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location. Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location. I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.[/p][/quote]george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre. I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way,[/p][/quote]The way from Shirley is to go from Shirley High Street/Romsey Road, down King Edwards Avenue/Oakley Road, cross the road on foot across Tebourba Way into Oakley Road, and then Walnut Grove. Why are you getting so het up about this? Redhaired22

8:38pm Sat 25 Jan 14

loosehead says...

Redhaired22 wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
george h wrote:
loosehead wrote:
george h wrote:
Zexagon wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors!
Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet
A bike!

You must be kidding us!

The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way.

Been there, done that.

Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.
from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way?
also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road
Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way.

It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.
And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco.

This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.
I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre.
you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre
The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really?

Clearly, you've never done it yourself.

Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it?

Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location.

Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location.

I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.
george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre.
I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way,
The way from Shirley is to go from Shirley High Street/Romsey Road, down King Edwards Avenue/Oakley Road, cross the road on foot across Tebourba Way into Oakley Road, and then Walnut Grove. Why are you getting so het up about this?
I was only trying to give safe directions to it but hey sorry if I was getting irate as I didn't mean to
[quote][p][bold]Redhaired22[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george h[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Zexagon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Parking, parking and parking are already the problems here. The bus service is hourly and the journey time from Shirley to the the Health Centre is 55 minutes. Nearly two hours on the bus for a return visit to the Doctors![/p][/quote]Surprised no-ones told you to get a bicycle yet[/p][/quote]A bike! You must be kidding us! The only way into the site by cycle from Shirley via Oakley Road or Shirley High Street involves a suicidal trip along the fast dual-carriageway Tebourba Way. Been there, done that. Will only do it again if feeling suicidal.[/p][/quote]from Oakley rd you have to just walk across at the lights go past Tesco's & there's an entrance on the left so why do you need to ride down tebourba ( trebourba?)way? also once across the road you could cut through tesco's car parks & there is a pedestrian crossing at the junction of Oakley rd & tebourba way so again no need to ride down that road[/p][/quote]Can't do that loosehead. There's no footpath along that part of Tebourba Way. It's walk on the dual carriageway or cycle on it. Either is suicidal.[/p][/quote]And to get access to the internal Tesco roads involves carrying a cycle up switchback steps. Nor easy at my age. That's why I use a cycle. To ease the pressure on my feet.. The walk from Oakley Rd pedestrian crossing is not a short distance either at over 200 yards in old money, long a dual-carriageway. Or considerably further via Tesco. This Health Centre is in the wrong place. All the tinkering in the world cannot change that. It was built there for the convenience of the NHS bureaucrats who had a vacant piece of land. In the real world where independent GP surgeries live, a proper survey would be done to see where the patients where and where they'd be prepared to travel to see a GP. It's no coincidence that the TV programme on house-finding was titled "Location, location, location". Says it all really.[/p][/quote]I lived in Penine rd for about three months now I know if you cross Tebourba way go past the back entrance to Tesco's car park on the right hand side of the road there's an entrance into this centre. you can also go across Romsey rd stop opposite where the Old Thatch building is & walk through to the small housing estate( public footpath no steps) to this centre[/p][/quote]The footpath where it's illegal to cycle? Really? Clearly, you've never done it yourself. Or a diversion around the back of Tesco when coming from Shirley? Not really practical is it? Doesn't alter the fact that this health centre was built in an unsuitable location. Meanwhile, .... at bureaucratic NHS HQ central they are well pleased that people like you are diverting attention from their mistakes onto those who point out it's unsuitability. Pleased with yourself loosehead? Getting a backhander from them? Employed by them? There has to be a logical reason for your defence of this centre's location. I believe readers deserve to know Loosehead.[/p][/quote]george i never said ride your bike on the footpath but yes i've walked through that way many times & yes it is practicable if you come down Romsey road cross tebourba rd it's there on the right & it's a quick walk to the centre. I was only trying to show you another way instead of riding down tebourba way,[/p][/quote]The way from Shirley is to go from Shirley High Street/Romsey Road, down King Edwards Avenue/Oakley Road, cross the road on foot across Tebourba Way into Oakley Road, and then Walnut Grove. Why are you getting so het up about this?[/p][/quote]I was only trying to give safe directions to it but hey sorry if I was getting irate as I didn't mean to loosehead

10:24am Tue 28 Jan 14

Adlof Hilter says...

No- I am indeed me, a GP in Shirley- honest, even though I don't post often on local media. GMC guidance is that we should identify ourselves when posting on medical issues. I dont always bother with handles. Sorry if the screen name upsets you- it is not, as you have seen "Adolf Hitler"- my grandfather was killed in the war in Chatham Dockyard by a mine in 1941 and I am a definite anti-fascist.

This is actually quite old news. the place has been up and running for some years but is an example of what happens when central government decides to impose a central solution.

Looks like i might get into trouble for even daring to post here, I have had an e-mail from the CCG asking me to "discuss" my posting. Well, I'm retiring in a few weeks now so if someone wants to have me struck off, well, I've done my bit for Queen and Country. Freedom of speech in the NHS? Whatever next!

On reviewing my post, everything I have said is accurate as far as I know.
No- I am indeed me, a GP in Shirley- honest, even though I don't post often on local media. GMC guidance is that we should identify ourselves when posting on medical issues. I dont always bother with handles. Sorry if the screen name upsets you- it is not, as you have seen "Adolf Hitler"- my grandfather was killed in the war in Chatham Dockyard by a mine in 1941 and I am a definite anti-fascist. This is actually quite old news. the place has been up and running for some years but is an example of what happens when central government decides to impose a central solution. Looks like i might get into trouble for even daring to post here, I have had an e-mail from the CCG asking me to "discuss" my posting. Well, I'm retiring in a few weeks now so if someone wants to have me struck off, well, I've done my bit for Queen and Country. Freedom of speech in the NHS? Whatever next! On reviewing my post, everything I have said is accurate as far as I know. Adlof Hilter

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