Thousands of cruise passengers to give Platform Road its first test

Daily Echo: Heavy traffic jams along West Quay Road during previous city centre congestion Heavy traffic jams along West Quay Road during previous city centre congestion

THOUSANDS of cruise passengers will give a major city centre route its first real test after extensive roadworks.

About 25,000 passengers are expected to visit Southampton as eight cruise ships dock in the city today and tomorrow.

It means Platform Road will carry thousands of cars just days after it reopened after nearly a year of improvement work.

Engineers have been working on transforming the road into a dual carriage way since last June.

Tailback As reported, council bosses were forced to introduce a raft of measures after motorists found themselves stuck in a three-mile tailback in January.

The congestion, which forced some cruise passengers to abandon their cars and taxis, was blamed on five cruise ships in port at one time, and the ongoing work on Platform Road.

Independence of the Seas, Emerald Princess, Oceana, Aurora, and Balmoral are due to dock in Southampton this morning, and Azura, Black Watch and Seven Seas Voyager tomorrow.

On Wednesday and Thursday, more congestion is likely when two cruise ships dock, including Queen Elizabeth, which will bring the Commonwealth Games Queen’s Baton to the city.

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5:52am Fri 30 May 14

Woolston ollie says...

What happens if the new layout does not work, is it back to the drawing board
What happens if the new layout does not work, is it back to the drawing board Woolston ollie
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6:25am Fri 30 May 14

bigfella777 says...

Why only eight ships? Let's make it 10
Why only eight ships? Let's make it 10 bigfella777
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6:59am Fri 30 May 14

tootle says...

Having been down there twice this week - it was chaos. People were believing the lines on the road causing a log jam getting towards SWHouse. The other way the road sign says to all go in left hand lane towards TownQuay and outside lane is turning right but you can't. Probably OK once all us locals know where we are supposed to go(around on the M27 sounds good)
Having been down there twice this week - it was chaos. People were believing the lines on the road causing a log jam getting towards SWHouse. The other way the road sign says to all go in left hand lane towards TownQuay and outside lane is turning right but you can't. Probably OK once all us locals know where we are supposed to go(around on the M27 sounds good) tootle
  • Score: 8

9:25am Fri 30 May 14

dans_t16s says...

Agreed, the signposting is atrocious. I use that road at least 5 times a week and I confused every time.
Agreed, the signposting is atrocious. I use that road at least 5 times a week and I confused every time. dans_t16s
  • Score: 6

9:30am Fri 30 May 14

espanuel says...

In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week. espanuel
  • Score: 3

9:31am Fri 30 May 14

Lord Ikea says...

I think the Echo has got the list of ships in today incorrect there are 4 in today not five Azura, Arcadia, Oriana and Adventure of the seas are in today.

Tomorrow there are 5 in dock none of which are the ones the reporter mentioned.

Maybe the reporter should go to VTS Southampton web site or look at Marinetraffic.com for correct information.
I think the Echo has got the list of ships in today incorrect there are 4 in today not five Azura, Arcadia, Oriana and Adventure of the seas are in today. Tomorrow there are 5 in dock none of which are the ones the reporter mentioned. Maybe the reporter should go to VTS Southampton web site or look at Marinetraffic.com for correct information. Lord Ikea
  • Score: 8

9:55am Fri 30 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars.
.
You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!!
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars. . You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 15

10:44am Fri 30 May 14

S!monOn says...

dans_t16s wrote:
Agreed, the signposting is atrocious. I use that road at least 5 times a week and I confused every time.
It's people who are used to driving a familiar route failing to adjust to the new route.

Forget you're in familiar surroundings and treat it as if you've never driven that route before... you'll learn to read sign posts.
[quote][p][bold]dans_t16s[/bold] wrote: Agreed, the signposting is atrocious. I use that road at least 5 times a week and I confused every time.[/p][/quote]It's people who are used to driving a familiar route failing to adjust to the new route. Forget you're in familiar surroundings and treat it as if you've never driven that route before... you'll learn to read sign posts. S!monOn
  • Score: 3

10:47am Fri 30 May 14

Down but not out says...

Woolston ollie wrote:
What happens if the new layout does not work, is it back to the drawing board
No 'if' about it! It doesn't work and the traffic trying to exit and enter the port at gates 4 & 5 is completely gridlocked. The good citizens of Southampton saw this coming so why couldn't the brilliant minds at the council? I look forward to the excuses though .......
[quote][p][bold]Woolston ollie[/bold] wrote: What happens if the new layout does not work, is it back to the drawing board[/p][/quote]No 'if' about it! It doesn't work and the traffic trying to exit and enter the port at gates 4 & 5 is completely gridlocked. The good citizens of Southampton saw this coming so why couldn't the brilliant minds at the council? I look forward to the excuses though ....... Down but not out
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11:18am Fri 30 May 14

camerajuan says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars.
.
You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!!
Too right!

Things used to work smoother as there were less people and less cars.

Reduce some ingredients and the poison will become less potent. Or be a mug, and keep adding. Watch the steam rise.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars. . You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!![/p][/quote]Too right! Things used to work smoother as there were less people and less cars. Reduce some ingredients and the poison will become less potent. Or be a mug, and keep adding. Watch the steam rise. camerajuan
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11:58am Fri 30 May 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars.
.
You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!!
Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars. . You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!![/p][/quote]Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that southy
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12:13pm Fri 30 May 14

befriendly says...

I need cheering up, so I think I'll take the Hythe ferry across and have a chuckle at people losing their tempers as they sit in their cars going nowhere. The sensible passengers, who don't demand they park next to the cruise liners, will have parked at Marchwood and be on their way home before the others have left the dock gates.
I need cheering up, so I think I'll take the Hythe ferry across and have a chuckle at people losing their tempers as they sit in their cars going nowhere. The sensible passengers, who don't demand they park next to the cruise liners, will have parked at Marchwood and be on their way home before the others have left the dock gates. befriendly
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12:18pm Fri 30 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars.
.
You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!!
Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that
To my knowledge Southy there were less passenger ships carrying less people ....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars. . You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!![/p][/quote]Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that[/p][/quote]To my knowledge Southy there were less passenger ships carrying less people .... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

1:03pm Fri 30 May 14

MGBR says...

Yup - doesn't work, nice one Southampton CC for completely "ballsing" up a perfectly good road system!
Yup - doesn't work, nice one Southampton CC for completely "ballsing" up a perfectly good road system! MGBR
  • Score: 1

1:09pm Fri 30 May 14

southy says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
southy wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars.
.
You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!!
Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that
To my knowledge Southy there were less passenger ships carrying less people ....
The ships them self,s carried less passengers yes but as for less passengers passing though the docks very debatable, Union Castle alone had more ships coming to Southampton Docks (Near on one every day) than what you get now, How many Cunard passenger ships are there now days
Cunard ships
is 3
between 1971 to 1998
12 ships around the world only 1 was a regular visitor
1934 to 1971 was 11 which during the 60's 6 was regular visitors, those ships doing the London-Southampton to New York run, turnaround 2 weeks'
then there was P&O who had a number of ships that called into Southampton, and a number of other shipping lines.
And i have not even come to the Passenger Cargo ships they was a lot of them to
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]In the 60's there were less ships .... less passengers ... and less cars. . You may have noticed that in the last 54 years things have changed a littkle bit !!![/p][/quote]Wrong Lone there was a lot more ships in and out in the 60's, what as change is that there are more people that drive cars on the roads, Millbrook and Redbridge road was mono roads, more people used the buses and trains back then, but there was still traffic jams at rush hour, I can remember being on the 35 bus and it would take over an hour to get from the Central Bus Station to Millbrook roundabout, the traffic around the old docks was light back then as any one going to Woolston it was a chain ferry crossing and people avoided this area it took to long to get across, Northam bridge was the main route to take out of the city east wards, But Itchen Bridge change that[/p][/quote]To my knowledge Southy there were less passenger ships carrying less people ....[/p][/quote]The ships them self,s carried less passengers yes but as for less passengers passing though the docks very debatable, Union Castle alone had more ships coming to Southampton Docks (Near on one every day) than what you get now, How many Cunard passenger ships are there now days Cunard ships is 3 between 1971 to 1998 12 ships around the world only 1 was a regular visitor 1934 to 1971 was 11 which during the 60's 6 was regular visitors, those ships doing the London-Southampton to New York run, turnaround 2 weeks' then there was P&O who had a number of ships that called into Southampton, and a number of other shipping lines. And i have not even come to the Passenger Cargo ships they was a lot of them to southy
  • Score: -5

1:24pm Fri 30 May 14

phil maccavity says...

Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days' phil maccavity
  • Score: 6

1:40pm Fri 30 May 14

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe southy
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3:58pm Fri 30 May 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
Southy
How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays?
Have you researched this?
I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft
What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate?
The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats.
Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London.
There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested
btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe[/p][/quote]Southy How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays? Have you researched this? I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate? The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats. Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London. There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions phil maccavity
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4:13pm Fri 30 May 14

Torchie1 says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
Southy
How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays?
Have you researched this?
I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft
What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate?
The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats.
Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London.
There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested
btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions
Yet another of Southy's illusions has been shattered!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe[/p][/quote]Southy How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays? Have you researched this? I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate? The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats. Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London. There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions[/p][/quote]Yet another of Southy's illusions has been shattered! Torchie1
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4:32pm Fri 30 May 14

03alpe01 says...

About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool! 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Fri 30 May 14

Idontusuallycomplain says...

Didn't notice any differerence, utter chaos, took me an hour an a half to get to Weston. Locals are simply held to ransom by the cruise companies. They should be made to contribute to improve the infrastructure to cope with the additional pressures they impose!
Didn't notice any differerence, utter chaos, took me an hour an a half to get to Weston. Locals are simply held to ransom by the cruise companies. They should be made to contribute to improve the infrastructure to cope with the additional pressures they impose! Idontusuallycomplain
  • Score: -2

5:25pm Fri 30 May 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Idontusuallycomplain wrote:
Didn't notice any differerence, utter chaos, took me an hour an a half to get to Weston. Locals are simply held to ransom by the cruise companies. They should be made to contribute to improve the infrastructure to cope with the additional pressures they impose!
I think that you will also find that a lot of the traffic delays are actually getting into the docks via Diock Gate 4 ......
[quote][p][bold]Idontusuallycomplain[/bold] wrote: Didn't notice any differerence, utter chaos, took me an hour an a half to get to Weston. Locals are simply held to ransom by the cruise companies. They should be made to contribute to improve the infrastructure to cope with the additional pressures they impose![/p][/quote]I think that you will also find that a lot of the traffic delays are actually getting into the docks via Diock Gate 4 ...... Lone Ranger.
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5:38pm Fri 30 May 14

phil maccavity says...

Apparently several hundred locals will be employed today and tomorrow on servicing the cruise ships.
Surely that has to be taken into consideration
Apparently several hundred locals will be employed today and tomorrow on servicing the cruise ships. Surely that has to be taken into consideration phil maccavity
  • Score: 3

7:09pm Fri 30 May 14

WoolstonSean says...

espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp.
The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers.

Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach.

A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@
[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp. The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers. Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach. A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@ WoolstonSean
  • Score: 1

7:16pm Fri 30 May 14

WoolstonSean says...

phil maccavity wrote:
Apparently several hundred locals will be employed today and tomorrow on servicing the cruise ships.
Surely that has to be taken into consideration
Yes and I am one of them!

Can't we all agree to stop remarking about the docks and the cruise ships as itis ggetting really tedious especially by those who haven't a clue how the port operates!
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Apparently several hundred locals will be employed today and tomorrow on servicing the cruise ships. Surely that has to be taken into consideration[/p][/quote]Yes and I am one of them! Can't we all agree to stop remarking about the docks and the cruise ships as itis ggetting really tedious especially by those who haven't a clue how the port operates! WoolstonSean
  • Score: 2

9:01pm Fri 30 May 14

search for the truth says...

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• May 30, 2014 18:41
• By Peter Elson

Pictures and video as ship arrives 100 years to the day at the berth from which RMS Aquitania sailed on her maiden voyage to New York
The Cunard liner MS Queen Victoria created Mersey maritime history when she regally cruised into Liverpool. giving three long blasts on her mighty siren.
The 90,000 gross cruise liner moored exactly 100 years to the day at the berth from which her illustrious predecessor RMS Aquitania sailed on her maiden voyage to New York.
Queen Victoria is in Liverpool to mark the centenary of Aquitania, one of the most successful ocean liners of all time.
In a 36-year Cunard Line career, Aquitania steamed three million miles, carried 1.2m people and served in two World Wars.
Just like Aquitania on her maiden voyage, Queen Victoria sailed up the Mersey and turned in the river off Birkenhead to come alongside Liverpool Cruise Terminal, with hundreds of people lining the waterfront to welcome her.
More crowds are expected to see the liner tomorrow, prior to her 4pm departure. The best views are from Princes Parade, where there will be catering stands, as more sunshine is promised with temperatures rising to 20’C.
Cunard’s senior captain, Commodore Christopher Rynd, master of Queen Victoria was given a truly wacky Liverpool welcome when flyboarder Jay St John rose 50ft out of the river on two columns of water to give him a salute.
A clearly amazed Cdre Rynd who stood on one of the bow docking platforms to return the salute said: “This is a first for me, it was an incredible sight to see.”
Jay St John also “flew” around the water between the landing stage and dock wall, entertaining the crowds and disembarking passengers.
There was a civic reception onboard Queen Victoria in her private restaurant and fireworks will be set off from a mid-river barge at 10.30pm tonight.

This makes up for the fact that the celebrations for Aquitania’s maiden voyage 100 years ago were cancelled due to the sinking of the Liverpool liner RMS Empress of Ireland the day before, with the loss of 1,012 lives.
Queen Victoria is fully booked, carrying 2,014 passengers, mainly from the US and UK, on a round-Britain cruise from Southampton. The liner had arrived from Greenock, on the Firth of Clyde, Scotland.
Cdre Rynd has brought all three Cunard Queen liners - including the world’s largest ocean liner Queen Mary 2 - into Liverpool.
He said: “Coming into Liverpool is always very special. This berth in sight of the Cunard, Royal Liver and Port of Liverpool Buildings connects with the company’s history.
“Cunard ships have departed from this place to North America and the rest of the world for 174 years.
“But you have to keep your wits about you, as the Mersey runs very fast at around six knots and we were slightly late arriving, due to low water over the Mersey Bar.
“But this ship is very manouevrable with two Azipod propellers which means she can turn in her own length.
“I love this berth on the floating landing stage, which goes up and down the tide, it makes handling the ship much easier.
“It will be terrific next year when we celebrate the 175th anniversary of Cunard’s founding in Liverpool and bring all three Queens into the Mersey simultaneously.
As ever, Cunard is about style and elegance with beautiful ships and our passengers appreciate that.”
Queen Victoria's public rooms follow the trend of the famous QE2’s later refits which were done in a retrospective art deco ocean liner style.
These harked back to the interiors of the original superliner RMS Queen Mary (I) of 1936 and have proved popular with passengers and set Cunard ships apart from trendier cruise liners.
The centre-piece is a three deck Grand Lobby with a large wall sculpture of the ship. The ship’s wood panelling is darker than that on the slightly younger MS Queen Elizabeth and gives the ship a more traditional feel.
Queen Victoria’s Royal Court Theatre was the first to have private boxes, with six either side of the stage. Other familiar company features are the Golden Lion Pub and the Queen's Room for balls and afternoon tea featuring that great delicacy the Cunard scone.
An attractive and unusual feature on a modern liner is the two deck library, linked by a beautiful wooden spiral staircase.
The Britannia Restaurant can seat around half of the passengers and there is an à la carte restaurant extra tariff restaurant called The Verandah.
The vestige of First Class remains with the 300 Grill Class Passengers who have there own two terraces, Queen’s Grill and Princess Grill Restaurants, plus attached lounge - a very discreet ship within a ship.
A very attractive traditional liner feature is the wrap-around exterior promenade. On the higher decks are the Health Club and Spa, Winter Garden with its retractable roof, Lido Restaurant and two outdoor pools.
The Deck 10 Commodore Club is an observation lounge overlooking the ship’s bow, with the Churchill Lounge for smokers even a nightclub, called Hemispheres.

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Queen Victoria cruise liner makes Mersey maritime history with Liverpool visit • May 30, 2014 18:41 • By Peter Elson Pictures and video as ship arrives 100 years to the day at the berth from which RMS Aquitania sailed on her maiden voyage to New York The Cunard liner MS Queen Victoria created Mersey maritime history when she regally cruised into Liverpool. giving three long blasts on her mighty siren. The 90,000 gross cruise liner moored exactly 100 years to the day at the berth from which her illustrious predecessor RMS Aquitania sailed on her maiden voyage to New York. Queen Victoria is in Liverpool to mark the centenary of Aquitania, one of the most successful ocean liners of all time. In a 36-year Cunard Line career, Aquitania steamed three million miles, carried 1.2m people and served in two World Wars. Just like Aquitania on her maiden voyage, Queen Victoria sailed up the Mersey and turned in the river off Birkenhead to come alongside Liverpool Cruise Terminal, with hundreds of people lining the waterfront to welcome her. More crowds are expected to see the liner tomorrow, prior to her 4pm departure. The best views are from Princes Parade, where there will be catering stands, as more sunshine is promised with temperatures rising to 20’C. Cunard’s senior captain, Commodore Christopher Rynd, master of Queen Victoria was given a truly wacky Liverpool welcome when flyboarder Jay St John rose 50ft out of the river on two columns of water to give him a salute. A clearly amazed Cdre Rynd who stood on one of the bow docking platforms to return the salute said: “This is a first for me, it was an incredible sight to see.” Jay St John also “flew” around the water between the landing stage and dock wall, entertaining the crowds and disembarking passengers. There was a civic reception onboard Queen Victoria in her private restaurant and fireworks will be set off from a mid-river barge at 10.30pm tonight. This makes up for the fact that the celebrations for Aquitania’s maiden voyage 100 years ago were cancelled due to the sinking of the Liverpool liner RMS Empress of Ireland the day before, with the loss of 1,012 lives. Queen Victoria is fully booked, carrying 2,014 passengers, mainly from the US and UK, on a round-Britain cruise from Southampton. The liner had arrived from Greenock, on the Firth of Clyde, Scotland. Cdre Rynd has brought all three Cunard Queen liners - including the world’s largest ocean liner Queen Mary 2 - into Liverpool. He said: “Coming into Liverpool is always very special. This berth in sight of the Cunard, Royal Liver and Port of Liverpool Buildings connects with the company’s history. “Cunard ships have departed from this place to North America and the rest of the world for 174 years. “But you have to keep your wits about you, as the Mersey runs very fast at around six knots and we were slightly late arriving, due to low water over the Mersey Bar. “But this ship is very manouevrable with two Azipod propellers which means she can turn in her own length. “I love this berth on the floating landing stage, which goes up and down the tide, it makes handling the ship much easier. “It will be terrific next year when we celebrate the 175th anniversary of Cunard’s founding in Liverpool and bring all three Queens into the Mersey simultaneously. As ever, Cunard is about style and elegance with beautiful ships and our passengers appreciate that.” Queen Victoria's public rooms follow the trend of the famous QE2’s later refits which were done in a retrospective art deco ocean liner style. These harked back to the interiors of the original superliner RMS Queen Mary (I) of 1936 and have proved popular with passengers and set Cunard ships apart from trendier cruise liners. The centre-piece is a three deck Grand Lobby with a large wall sculpture of the ship. The ship’s wood panelling is darker than that on the slightly younger MS Queen Elizabeth and gives the ship a more traditional feel. Queen Victoria’s Royal Court Theatre was the first to have private boxes, with six either side of the stage. Other familiar company features are the Golden Lion Pub and the Queen's Room for balls and afternoon tea featuring that great delicacy the Cunard scone. An attractive and unusual feature on a modern liner is the two deck library, linked by a beautiful wooden spiral staircase. The Britannia Restaurant can seat around half of the passengers and there is an à la carte restaurant extra tariff restaurant called The Verandah. The vestige of First Class remains with the 300 Grill Class Passengers who have there own two terraces, Queen’s Grill and Princess Grill Restaurants, plus attached lounge - a very discreet ship within a ship. A very attractive traditional liner feature is the wrap-around exterior promenade. On the higher decks are the Health Club and Spa, Winter Garden with its retractable roof, Lido Restaurant and two outdoor pools. The Deck 10 Commodore Club is an observation lounge overlooking the ship’s bow, with the Churchill Lounge for smokers even a nightclub, called Hemispheres. To see the flyboarder video see :- www.liverpoolecho.co .uk/news/liverpool-n ews/ms-queen-victori a-cunard-cruise-7196 169 search for the truth
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9:26pm Fri 30 May 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
Southy
How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays?
Have you researched this?
I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft
What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate?
The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats.
Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London.
There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested
btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions
Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge.
You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion?
Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have,
The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why?
You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos?
most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems?
If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city?
Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe[/p][/quote]Southy How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays? Have you researched this? I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate? The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats. Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London. There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions[/p][/quote]Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge. You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion? Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have, The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why? You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos? most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems? If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city? Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town? loosehead
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9:27pm Fri 30 May 14

loosehead says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp.
The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers.

Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach.

A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@
really so all the hotels were empty in the 60's were they?
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp. The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers. Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach. A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@[/p][/quote]really so all the hotels were empty in the 60's were they? loosehead
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11:35pm Fri 30 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

WoolstonSean wrote:
espanuel wrote:
In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.
This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp.
The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers.

Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach.

A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@
And there are fewer ports that take passenger ships nowadays, Southampton has the majority & all the large ships.
[quote][p][bold]WoolstonSean[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote: In the 60s you only had Milbrook Rd West and the Avenue and they coped quite well what has happened since? And you had boats coming in every day of the week.[/p][/quote]This is 2014 not the 60s get out of your time warp. The passenger ships area far larger now and carry a far greater amount of passengers compared to the likes of the Union Castle Line and P&O Lines vessels such as the Orsova and Windsor Castle as those vessels for example only took around 1200 passengers. Most travelled by train direct to the ship in the 60s where as the majority now arrive by car, taxi and coach. A ridiculous question to ask in my opinion and I suggest you get out more@[/p][/quote]And there are fewer ports that take passenger ships nowadays, Southampton has the majority & all the large ships. sotonboy84
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12:48am Sat 31 May 14

phil maccavity says...

loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
Southy
How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays?
Have you researched this?
I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft
What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate?
The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats.
Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London.
There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested
btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions
Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge.
You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion?
Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have,
The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why?
You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos?
most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems?
If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city?
Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town?
loosehead
You ask why congestion now in comparison to the 60's?
Fairly simple answer, significantly more traffic on the roads
You state that Eastern Docks is 'inactive'!!
So no account taken of the hundred of thousands of export vehicles that go out on the big RO/RO ships.
The University marine campus at 25 berth
The Channel Isles container lines etc etc!!
You state ...'Most of the cruise terminals are in the Western Docks' ...
Incorrect
2 are in the Eastern Docks (including the newest one) and 2 in the Western Docks
Dock Gate 20 is now signposted as a route for passengers to the 2 Western Docks Terminals
Also, as said before, Platform Rd is the access for over 1 million passengers per annum to the Red Funnel terminals
It should be a matter of pride that Southampton can handle multiple cruise ship calls, and get all ships away on time.
Only Dover in the UK has the capability of handling more than one ship at a time
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe[/p][/quote]Southy How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays? Have you researched this? I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate? The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats. Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London. There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions[/p][/quote]Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge. You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion? Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have, The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why? You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos? most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems? If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city? Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town?[/p][/quote]loosehead You ask why congestion now in comparison to the 60's? Fairly simple answer, significantly more traffic on the roads You state that Eastern Docks is 'inactive'!! So no account taken of the hundred of thousands of export vehicles that go out on the big RO/RO ships. The University marine campus at 25 berth The Channel Isles container lines etc etc!! You state ...'Most of the cruise terminals are in the Western Docks' ... Incorrect 2 are in the Eastern Docks (including the newest one) and 2 in the Western Docks Dock Gate 20 is now signposted as a route for passengers to the 2 Western Docks Terminals Also, as said before, Platform Rd is the access for over 1 million passengers per annum to the Red Funnel terminals It should be a matter of pride that Southampton can handle multiple cruise ship calls, and get all ships away on time. Only Dover in the UK has the capability of handling more than one ship at a time phil maccavity
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6:40am Sat 31 May 14

loosehead says...

phil maccavity wrote:
loosehead wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
Southy
Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks'
Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956
This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers)
Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone.
Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'
Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing.
How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe
Southy
How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays?
Have you researched this?
I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft
What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate?
The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats.
Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London.
There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested
btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions
Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge.
You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion?
Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have,
The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why?
You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos?
most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems?
If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city?
Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town?
loosehead
You ask why congestion now in comparison to the 60's?
Fairly simple answer, significantly more traffic on the roads
You state that Eastern Docks is 'inactive'!!
So no account taken of the hundred of thousands of export vehicles that go out on the big RO/RO ships.
The University marine campus at 25 berth
The Channel Isles container lines etc etc!!
You state ...'Most of the cruise terminals are in the Western Docks' ...
Incorrect
2 are in the Eastern Docks (including the newest one) and 2 in the Western Docks
Dock Gate 20 is now signposted as a route for passengers to the 2 Western Docks Terminals
Also, as said before, Platform Rd is the access for over 1 million passengers per annum to the Red Funnel terminals
It should be a matter of pride that Southampton can handle multiple cruise ship calls, and get all ships away on time.
Only Dover in the UK has the capability of handling more than one ship at a time
we were talking about passenger numbers so container ships & Ro Ro aren't part of the equation.
Compare the road lay outs to the 60's & now & tell me the two major differences to the Eastern route.
the Itchen bridge wasn't there. No housing in Ocean Village was another & if you really want to throw a spanner in the works there was no West Quay.
Phil even with out any Cruise ships being in port that one stretch of road from Itchen Bridge to dock gate 4 is a traffic jam so it's in no way the cruise ships fault.
People see the direct route refuse to take a detour even if it ends up quicker that's the Major problem with that part of town.
As for the Red Funnels how long have they been there? What about Townsend Thorresons that were in the Eastern Docks?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: Southy Suggest you buy yourself a copy of Bert Moodys 'History of Southampton Docks' Highest passenger total was 627,000 in 1956 This increased to 1.160m in 1969 (which included 676,000 Cross Channel passengers) Nowadays it is 1.7m from cruise passengers alone. Also understand that Red Funnel passengers (who contribute to traffic volumes along Platform Rd at peak times) are also higher than in the 'Good Old days'[/p][/quote]Less foot passengers now days for Red Funnel and more traffic crossing. How many passenger ships are there that call into Southampton and how often do they call in, Like espanuel said there was a passenger ship in every day in the 60's, now days you can go a week or two with out any passenger ships calling in. There was a year in the 60's where over 1 million people immigrated though Southampton but Bert Moody don't really count these immigration runs who many was from Europe[/p][/quote]Southy How do you know there are less foot passengers nowadays? Have you researched this? I reckon there is probably more nowadays as the Red Funnel ships are bigger and run longer hours and there are more regular foot passenger on the regular Hi Speed craft What year in the 60's did your 1 million people 'immigrate? The only Immigrants, in any numbers, came in from the West Indies on vessels such as the 'Empire Windrush' and smaller numbers on the Elders and Fyffes banana boats. Southampton was not a major EMIGRATION port like Liverpool or London. There were a number of £10 Poms who emigrated to Australia in the 70's, mainly on Chandris Line vessels but nowhere near the amount you suggested btw Bert Moody's figures are taken from official port stats which had to be remitted to the Govt so I place a wee bit more credence in their suitability than your assumptions[/p][/quote]Phil I'm sorry but I have to agree with Southy on this. It's okay quoting passenger numbers but there were only mono roads to the west & only viable route to the East was the Northam bridge. You now have three lanes each way from the west plus they can use dock gate 20 & you have two bridges plus the Avenue from the east so why the congestion? Besides dock gate 4 the old docks is in active as it's mostly flats & houses & maybe with traffic funnelling off the Itchen bridge down what was a quiet road this has added up to become the traffic problem we now have, The road along the parks is usually quiet with traffic but no one diverts to this road instead they sit in traffic moaning about it why? You get one maybe two Cunard ships in at dock gate 4 instead of all the ships that use to dock there so why all the traffic chaos? most of the terminals are in dock gate 10 or the New docks so no need to go near platform road or dock gate 4 so again why all the problems? If the docks are opening dock gate 20 & informing passengers & suppliers to use this road again why is there any traffic problems to either the west or the east of the city? Many people go to Mayflower park to see the ships maybe a park & ride scheme similar to what the Tories did when we had a load of ships in could be arranged to stop sightseer's driving into town?[/p][/quote]loosehead You ask why congestion now in comparison to the 60's? Fairly simple answer, significantly more traffic on the roads You state that Eastern Docks is 'inactive'!! So no account taken of the hundred of thousands of export vehicles that go out on the big RO/RO ships. The University marine campus at 25 berth The Channel Isles container lines etc etc!! You state ...'Most of the cruise terminals are in the Western Docks' ... Incorrect 2 are in the Eastern Docks (including the newest one) and 2 in the Western Docks Dock Gate 20 is now signposted as a route for passengers to the 2 Western Docks Terminals Also, as said before, Platform Rd is the access for over 1 million passengers per annum to the Red Funnel terminals It should be a matter of pride that Southampton can handle multiple cruise ship calls, and get all ships away on time. Only Dover in the UK has the capability of handling more than one ship at a time[/p][/quote]we were talking about passenger numbers so container ships & Ro Ro aren't part of the equation. Compare the road lay outs to the 60's & now & tell me the two major differences to the Eastern route. the Itchen bridge wasn't there. No housing in Ocean Village was another & if you really want to throw a spanner in the works there was no West Quay. Phil even with out any Cruise ships being in port that one stretch of road from Itchen Bridge to dock gate 4 is a traffic jam so it's in no way the cruise ships fault. People see the direct route refuse to take a detour even if it ends up quicker that's the Major problem with that part of town. As for the Red Funnels how long have they been there? What about Townsend Thorresons that were in the Eastern Docks? loosehead
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7:22am Sat 31 May 14

search for the truth says...

03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off. search for the truth
  • Score: -1

9:49am Sat 31 May 14

loosehead says...

search for the truth wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway.
Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them.
Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements.
Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has.
So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.[/p][/quote]Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway. Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them. Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements. Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has. So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour? loosehead
  • Score: 1

11:54am Sat 31 May 14

search for the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway.
Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them.
Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements.
Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has.
So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?
Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool.
For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton.
If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.[/p][/quote]Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway. Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them. Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements. Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has. So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?[/p][/quote]Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool. For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton. If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are. search for the truth
  • Score: -1

3:26pm Sat 31 May 14

loosehead says...

search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway.
Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them.
Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements.
Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has.
So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?
Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool.
For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton.
If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.
so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection?
You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton.
I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.[/p][/quote]Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway. Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them. Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements. Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has. So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?[/p][/quote]Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool. For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton. If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.[/p][/quote]so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection? You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton. I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton. loosehead
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Sat 31 May 14

search for the truth says...

loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway.
Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them.
Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements.
Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has.
So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?
Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool.
For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton.
If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.
so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection?
You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton.
I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton.
I have never sniped at Southampton or used derogatory terms to describe it's citizen's ( Look on this papers comments and there are endless derogatory statements thrown at anybody from Liverpool ).

You might not like it but I will under no circumstances allow anybody to make idol, ignorant and totally slanderous and libelous statements regarding Liverpool and it's citizens ( if you don't believe me about the comments read through the archive of this paper ).

I have in the passed commented about your councils complete lack of vision for Southampton. Also it's complete inability to make proper use of a gift horse that it has ( the cruise ship trade ) , but one that it has failed to use to it's full economic benefit for the citizens of Southampton. I am only repeating what a large majority of posters here have already said about your council ( and it doesn't seem to matter what political party is in power either ).

Southampton cannot in any way be considered a tourist friendly city, if you don't believe me go to Chester or York's website to see how to project your city. Cities don't close down and move information centres, they push to promote their cities and the facilities that they have, your city tends to do the complete opposite ( even considering selling off the family silver at the art gallery. that is not theirs to sell, it belongs to the city not the council ).
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.[/p][/quote]Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway. Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them. Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements. Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has. So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?[/p][/quote]Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool. For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton. If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.[/p][/quote]so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection? You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton. I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton.[/p][/quote]I have never sniped at Southampton or used derogatory terms to describe it's citizen's ( Look on this papers comments and there are endless derogatory statements thrown at anybody from Liverpool ). You might not like it but I will under no circumstances allow anybody to make idol, ignorant and totally slanderous and libelous statements regarding Liverpool and it's citizens ( if you don't believe me about the comments read through the archive of this paper ). I have in the passed commented about your councils complete lack of vision for Southampton. Also it's complete inability to make proper use of a gift horse that it has ( the cruise ship trade ) , but one that it has failed to use to it's full economic benefit for the citizens of Southampton. I am only repeating what a large majority of posters here have already said about your council ( and it doesn't seem to matter what political party is in power either ). Southampton cannot in any way be considered a tourist friendly city, if you don't believe me go to Chester or York's website to see how to project your city. Cities don't close down and move information centres, they push to promote their cities and the facilities that they have, your city tends to do the complete opposite ( even considering selling off the family silver at the art gallery. that is not theirs to sell, it belongs to the city not the council ). search for the truth
  • Score: 0

10:37pm Sat 31 May 14

sotonboy84 says...

search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
loosehead wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
03alpe01 wrote:
About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool!
Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough .

Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays.

Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.
Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway.
Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them.
Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements.
Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has.
So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?
Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool.
For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton.
If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.
so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection?
You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton.
I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton.
I have never sniped at Southampton or used derogatory terms to describe it's citizen's ( Look on this papers comments and there are endless derogatory statements thrown at anybody from Liverpool ).

You might not like it but I will under no circumstances allow anybody to make idol, ignorant and totally slanderous and libelous statements regarding Liverpool and it's citizens ( if you don't believe me about the comments read through the archive of this paper ).

I have in the passed commented about your councils complete lack of vision for Southampton. Also it's complete inability to make proper use of a gift horse that it has ( the cruise ship trade ) , but one that it has failed to use to it's full economic benefit for the citizens of Southampton. I am only repeating what a large majority of posters here have already said about your council ( and it doesn't seem to matter what political party is in power either ).

Southampton cannot in any way be considered a tourist friendly city, if you don't believe me go to Chester or York's website to see how to project your city. Cities don't close down and move information centres, they push to promote their cities and the facilities that they have, your city tends to do the complete opposite ( even considering selling off the family silver at the art gallery. that is not theirs to sell, it belongs to the city not the council ).
It is very odd why you promote Liverpool on any cruise ship related story on a local Southampton paper.

It boils down to you not liking the successful industry the South has & want this success in Liverpool. No amount of weird posts & promotions will change that so just stick to talking about your great city, on your own newspapers website.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: About bl00dy time! Something had to be done about those roads! Or else we'd have had to have done the 'Southampton Way' and bugger off to Liverpool![/p][/quote]Might I suggest that the vast numbers of passengers who have had to do the so called ' Southampton Way ' in the past ( traveling long distances to merely board a cruise ship at one of Southampton's cruise ship bus stops ) have finally had enough . Cruise passengers are now so fed-up , as are the cruise ship company's that over the next few years you will gradually see a re-balancing in the provision of out-going cruise holidays. Mark my words in the coming years you are in for a shock and you won't just be losing footballers to other places in the UK ( enough hassle , traffic chaos and inconvenience ) , people are totally brassed-off.[/p][/quote]Look I've been to Liverpool,I've seen the Strand & wapping Street & our roads into the city from the West can match them & are connected to a motorway. Our main shopping area is away from the docks Liverpool is right on top of them. Our museums are away from the docks yours are part of the docks which means you have a lot of footfall with nothing to do with your dock movements. Take on say 50% of the ships Southampton now has & as most of your hotels are next to the docks you'll have the same traffic problems if not worse than Southampton now has. So instead of coming on here trying to stir it & going on about pokey football why not try to have a two sided debate or is this so called Scouse humour?[/p][/quote]Excuse me, you know nothing about Liverpool. For one thing if you travel along the Strand and down Leeds Street ( about 1.5 miles ) you reach the Wallasey Tunnel which runs under the Mersey, the other end of which is connected directly to the M53 motorway . A far better link to the Motorway network than you have in Southampton. If you had bothered to look up Tripadvisor, they alone list 99 hotels in Liverpool, most of them are not where you say they all are.[/p][/quote]so the M271 coming straight to dock gate 20 isn't a good enough connection? You tell me I know nothing about Liverpool your last post tells me you Know NOUGHT about Southampton. I've wished Liverpool all the best in attracting new cruise lines to the city & I hope both cities can prosper from the cruise industry all you do is snipe at Southampton.[/p][/quote]I have never sniped at Southampton or used derogatory terms to describe it's citizen's ( Look on this papers comments and there are endless derogatory statements thrown at anybody from Liverpool ). You might not like it but I will under no circumstances allow anybody to make idol, ignorant and totally slanderous and libelous statements regarding Liverpool and it's citizens ( if you don't believe me about the comments read through the archive of this paper ). I have in the passed commented about your councils complete lack of vision for Southampton. Also it's complete inability to make proper use of a gift horse that it has ( the cruise ship trade ) , but one that it has failed to use to it's full economic benefit for the citizens of Southampton. I am only repeating what a large majority of posters here have already said about your council ( and it doesn't seem to matter what political party is in power either ). Southampton cannot in any way be considered a tourist friendly city, if you don't believe me go to Chester or York's website to see how to project your city. Cities don't close down and move information centres, they push to promote their cities and the facilities that they have, your city tends to do the complete opposite ( even considering selling off the family silver at the art gallery. that is not theirs to sell, it belongs to the city not the council ).[/p][/quote]It is very odd why you promote Liverpool on any cruise ship related story on a local Southampton paper. It boils down to you not liking the successful industry the South has & want this success in Liverpool. No amount of weird posts & promotions will change that so just stick to talking about your great city, on your own newspapers website. sotonboy84
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