Southampton's SeaCity Museum leaves city's taxpayers with £430,000 bill

Museum leaves city with £430k for running costs

Museum leaves city with £430k for running costs

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TAXPAYERS in Southampton have been left with a £430,000 bill to prop up the SeaCity Museum.

Since opening two years ago the museum has failed to hit visitor and income targets, and the city council has been forced to step in to support it.

The museum, which is dedicated to the city's maritime past, cost £15milion to build and opened to great fanfare two years ago.

It also had a promising first year in which it beat its visitor target by 20,000, with more than 140,000 people visiting the museum.

But visitor numbers tailed off dramatically in its second year of operation, to around 100,000, and it is currently running at a loss.

A Freedom of Information request has revealed the council was forced to pay £430,000 in subsidies since the museum opened.

That is leaving the council with a hefty bill to subsidise the museum at a time when the authority facing having to make up to £30million of cuts in the next financial year.

The cash-strapped authority has already axed more than £30million of savings and 300 jobs in the last two years.

Labour council leader Simon Letts said he was “disappointed” by the figures, but added: “We have some good exhibitions coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too.”

Conservative opposition finance spokesman John Hannides, who was leisure chief when the museum opened, said: "My concern is the budget decisions for the SeaCity were being made more around the council's desire to cut spending rather than what might be better for the museum, for example with the marketing and advertising budget.

"I would like to see the council look at outsourcing the management of the museum and bring in specialist experts with a track record of running attractions."

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11:25am Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

A Tory ego trip that cost the taxpayers of this city a fortune ......
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I hope that the residents of this City remember this come the next local council elections ......... And people wonder why Council Tax goes up along with parking charges ......
A Tory ego trip that cost the taxpayers of this city a fortune ...... . I hope that the residents of this City remember this come the next local council elections ......... And people wonder why Council Tax goes up along with parking charges ...... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 17

11:33am Mon 9 Jun 14

The Wrinkled Retainer says...

Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable!
Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable! The Wrinkled Retainer
  • Score: 5

11:48am Mon 9 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.
So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation. Inform Al
  • Score: 4

11:52am Mon 9 Jun 14

IanUnite says...

The cheek of John Hannides!! The Tories couldnt sell their vanity project to the private sector at the time they built it and then he blames Labour!
The cheek of John Hannides!! The Tories couldnt sell their vanity project to the private sector at the time they built it and then he blames Labour! IanUnite
  • Score: 26

11:56am Mon 9 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations. sotonboy84
  • Score: 38

11:57am Mon 9 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

IanUnite wrote:
The cheek of John Hannides!! The Tories couldnt sell their vanity project to the private sector at the time they built it and then he blames Labour!
They're both as abad as each other. Conservative Council shouldn't have built it, and Labour Council haven't run it properly.
[quote][p][bold]IanUnite[/bold] wrote: The cheek of John Hannides!! The Tories couldnt sell their vanity project to the private sector at the time they built it and then he blames Labour![/p][/quote]They're both as abad as each other. Conservative Council shouldn't have built it, and Labour Council haven't run it properly. sotonboy84
  • Score: -2

11:59am Mon 9 Jun 14

Night Mare says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
Spot on!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]Spot on! Night Mare
  • Score: 20

12:11pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

obvious from the word go ,disaster like the titanic.
obvious from the word go ,disaster like the titanic. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 11

12:16pm Mon 9 Jun 14

halibutjackson says...

Its incredibly over priced and doesnt have enough interesting exhibits to warrent a revisit. Once youve been theres no need to go again.
Its incredibly over priced and doesnt have enough interesting exhibits to warrent a revisit. Once youve been theres no need to go again. halibutjackson
  • Score: 29

12:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum.

Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong).
Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum. Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong). aldermoorboy
  • Score: -25

12:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

The past year has been poorly marketed which is not surprising with the Labour party who traditionally have no commercial sense whatsoever!

(Labour managing to Bankrupt UK Plc Twice! No wonder Labour voters are switching to UKIP!)

This museum is part of what will be a Wonderful Cultural Quarter at the top end of the City of Southampton. It forms part of what will be the main tourist attraction for Southampton.

(Let's face it, we have had too many Labour councils who wouldn't know what culture was if it hit them smack in the face!)
The past year has been poorly marketed which is not surprising with the Labour party who traditionally have no commercial sense whatsoever! (Labour managing to Bankrupt UK Plc Twice! No wonder Labour voters are switching to UKIP!) This museum is part of what will be a Wonderful Cultural Quarter at the top end of the City of Southampton. It forms part of what will be the main tourist attraction for Southampton. (Let's face it, we have had too many Labour councils who wouldn't know what culture was if it hit them smack in the face!) George4th
  • Score: -28

12:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

ecuk268 says...

We used to go to the old Maritime Museum fairly regularly, as we found it very interesting and it had some fascinating exhibits.

Been to Sea City once (using my residents free admission) and, while it's not a bad way of telling the Titanic story, it's overpriced and there's nothing there to make me want to go back. It's also ruined the look of a beautiful building.

A Sea City museum should be near the sea.
We used to go to the old Maritime Museum fairly regularly, as we found it very interesting and it had some fascinating exhibits. Been to Sea City once (using my residents free admission) and, while it's not a bad way of telling the Titanic story, it's overpriced and there's nothing there to make me want to go back. It's also ruined the look of a beautiful building. A Sea City museum should be near the sea. ecuk268
  • Score: 32

12:33pm Mon 9 Jun 14

jonone says...

The museum is overpriced (though I think they have reduced ticket prices since it opened?), the cafe was horrendously overpriced and the shop was full of dreadful tat.

Bring back the old Wool House museum, it had character!
The museum is overpriced (though I think they have reduced ticket prices since it opened?), the cafe was horrendously overpriced and the shop was full of dreadful tat. Bring back the old Wool House museum, it had character! jonone
  • Score: 23

12:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?!

Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!!
Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere!
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?! Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!! Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere! George4th
  • Score: -21

12:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

HillsidePaul says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum.

Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong).
You really are a Tory halfwit aren't you.

Tory Cllr John Hannidies promised the museum would be run by the private sector and not need to be bailed out by the Council (even at the time a lot of his own Cllrs didn't believe him). When, long after the building contract had been let, the Tory Council tried to find someone to run it nobody wanted to know. Leaving the incoming Labour council with a huge white elephant.

Labour in opposition predicted all of this and you can't stand the fact that our incompetent Tory mate's have been caught out.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum. Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong).[/p][/quote]You really are a Tory halfwit aren't you. Tory Cllr John Hannidies promised the museum would be run by the private sector and not need to be bailed out by the Council (even at the time a lot of his own Cllrs didn't believe him). When, long after the building contract had been let, the Tory Council tried to find someone to run it nobody wanted to know. Leaving the incoming Labour council with a huge white elephant. Labour in opposition predicted all of this and you can't stand the fact that our incompetent Tory mate's have been caught out. HillsidePaul
  • Score: 35

12:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Bagamn says...

George4th wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?!

Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!!
Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere!
Listen George or Mr smith, You and your mate Hannides lost our swimming facilities, our gyms the golf course and anything you could get your hands on. Your group are a bunch of con artists that cannot be trusted. It is not a southern disease, it is a mistrust of your little clan. The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road. We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. Without people paying their taxes, you've got no income. Don't worry about the General Election because Everything is going against this outfit.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?! Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!! Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere![/p][/quote]Listen George or Mr smith, You and your mate Hannides lost our swimming facilities, our gyms the golf course and anything you could get your hands on. Your group are a bunch of con artists that cannot be trusted. It is not a southern disease, it is a mistrust of your little clan. The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road. We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. Without people paying their taxes, you've got no income. Don't worry about the General Election because Everything is going against this outfit. Bagamn
  • Score: 23

12:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.
Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem.

Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.[/p][/quote]Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem. Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 9

1:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

1:20pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology. Linesman
  • Score: 19

1:29pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

halibutjackson wrote:
Its incredibly over priced and doesnt have enough interesting exhibits to warrent a revisit. Once youve been theres no need to go again.
It isn't overpriced compared to many other non Government run Museums, it will take you a couple of hours to take everything in, otherwise you won't get you moneys worth. As you say it hasn't got enough for a return visit, but most Tourists would only see it once anyway. As someone who has criticised the City's lack of effort in displaying our heritage, it would be hypocritical of me to run down any effort to present it. We need more of the same taking in other aspects of our past.
[quote][p][bold]halibutjackson[/bold] wrote: Its incredibly over priced and doesnt have enough interesting exhibits to warrent a revisit. Once youve been theres no need to go again.[/p][/quote]It isn't overpriced compared to many other non Government run Museums, it will take you a couple of hours to take everything in, otherwise you won't get you moneys worth. As you say it hasn't got enough for a return visit, but most Tourists would only see it once anyway. As someone who has criticised the City's lack of effort in displaying our heritage, it would be hypocritical of me to run down any effort to present it. We need more of the same taking in other aspects of our past. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

1:36pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 5

1:51pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

Bagamn wrote:
George4th wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?!

Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!!
Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere!
Listen George or Mr smith, You and your mate Hannides lost our swimming facilities, our gyms the golf course and anything you could get your hands on. Your group are a bunch of con artists that cannot be trusted. It is not a southern disease, it is a mistrust of your little clan. The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road. We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. Without people paying their taxes, you've got no income. Don't worry about the General Election because Everything is going against this outfit.
"The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road"

Well it was well and truly stitched up by the MANY Labour councils together with their Union backing! No investment in Southampton, only businesses leaving Southampton!

No Businesses and No Culture and No Tourism - benchmarks of Labour Policy!

Southampton is made up of the Public Sector and Retail Shops! Without them, Southampton would not exist! There are no REAL businesses of any note in Southampton!
Why?
Labour councils and Unions..............
..........

The educated young do not stay in Southampton because there are no opportunities in Southampton!!

Entrepreneurs do not invest in Southampton! They invest elsewhere! Anywhere outside the boundary of Southampton!


"We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. "

Bit of a contradiction given Labour cannot do either! :-)
[quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]Is it a Southern disease that many people here seem to want to stay in a time warp and never progress?! Southampton people are notorious for moaning and whinging and criticising anything that requires change! I guess that's why the majority vote Labour!!!! Southampton = a Labour oasis = going nowhere![/p][/quote]Listen George or Mr smith, You and your mate Hannides lost our swimming facilities, our gyms the golf course and anything you could get your hands on. Your group are a bunch of con artists that cannot be trusted. It is not a southern disease, it is a mistrust of your little clan. The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road. We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. Without people paying their taxes, you've got no income. Don't worry about the General Election because Everything is going against this outfit.[/p][/quote]"The population of this city are fed up with being stitched up at every bend in the road" Well it was well and truly stitched up by the MANY Labour councils together with their Union backing! No investment in Southampton, only businesses leaving Southampton! No Businesses and No Culture and No Tourism - benchmarks of Labour Policy! Southampton is made up of the Public Sector and Retail Shops! Without them, Southampton would not exist! There are no REAL businesses of any note in Southampton! Why? Labour councils and Unions.............. .......... The educated young do not stay in Southampton because there are no opportunities in Southampton!! Entrepreneurs do not invest in Southampton! They invest elsewhere! Anywhere outside the boundary of Southampton! "We don't need a cultural quarter. We need people in work with money to spend. " Bit of a contradiction given Labour cannot do either! :-) George4th
  • Score: -13

1:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
Remember that the council has a very difficult balancing act to perform. Southampton has suffered far more than most by the cuts in central government funding - losing £148 per head over the last four years compared to just £28 for Winchester. Marketing costs have to be funded from somewhere, while at the same time the the most vital services have to be protected.

As the Cultural Quarter progresses, there should be an increase in 'natural' footfall which will help grow the visitor numbers. The new Visitor Information point which will be part of the revamped Wool House should also help make visitors aware of the museum. I'd also like to see an initiative where visitors to the area could buy combined tickets for some of Southampton, Portsmouth and Winchester's top attractions. There are ways to fix this that don't require privatisation.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]Remember that the council has a very difficult balancing act to perform. Southampton has suffered far more than most by the cuts in central government funding - losing £148 per head over the last four years compared to just £28 for Winchester. Marketing costs have to be funded from somewhere, while at the same time the the most vital services have to be protected. As the Cultural Quarter progresses, there should be an increase in 'natural' footfall which will help grow the visitor numbers. The new Visitor Information point which will be part of the revamped Wool House should also help make visitors aware of the museum. I'd also like to see an initiative where visitors to the area could buy combined tickets for some of Southampton, Portsmouth and Winchester's top attractions. There are ways to fix this that don't require privatisation. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 14

2:03pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it! George4th
  • Score: -27

2:13pm Mon 9 Jun 14

forest hump says...

Shut it down. Sell the assets and repay us...the taxpayers.
Shut it down. Sell the assets and repay us...the taxpayers. forest hump
  • Score: 3

2:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
I dont think you are "Childish" George ..... Worrying about a + or a - .....
...... just a bit surprised that a person of your intelegence is worried or affected by it ... one way or another.
.
Im voted down all the time ..... and i always thought that was you !!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]I dont think you are "Childish" George ..... Worrying about a + or a - ..... ...... just a bit surprised that a person of your intelegence is worried or affected by it ... one way or another. . Im voted down all the time ..... and i always thought that was you !! Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 12

2:15pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh! George4th
  • Score: -11

2:17pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place.

Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody.

I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think.

Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise.

The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place. Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody. I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think. Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise. The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it. Linesman
  • Score: 9

2:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Linesman wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place.

Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody.

I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think.

Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise.

The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.
The thing now is, the situation can't be changed. Apportioning the blame can't change the past. So the most important thing is to work out what to do and then do it. Getting the thing back to break-even is a first step. I've made some concrete suggestions. Has anyone else got any?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place. Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody. I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think. Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise. The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.[/p][/quote]The thing now is, the situation can't be changed. Apportioning the blame can't change the past. So the most important thing is to work out what to do and then do it. Getting the thing back to break-even is a first step. I've made some concrete suggestions. Has anyone else got any? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 5

2:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
14:22 = -7 lol
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh![/p][/quote]14:22 = -7 lol Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 8

2:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

Linesman wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place.

Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody.

I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think.

Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise.

The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.
How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?!

The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the SeaCity Museum or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors.

Simon Letts quote "“We have some good exhibitions coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too.”
He does a lot of "thinking" - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He "thinks" it might...............
............
Come on Mr Letts, get your whatsit in gear and start marketing the SeaCity Museum properly!

(Sadly, this has brought to mind the famous marketing of "The Dome" by the Labour government! What an abject failure that was! Labour and Commercialism do not mix!)
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place. Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody. I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think. Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise. The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.[/p][/quote]How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?! The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the SeaCity Museum or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors. Simon Letts quote "“We have some good exhibitions coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too.” He does a lot of "thinking" - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He "thinks" it might............... ............ Come on Mr Letts, get your whatsit in gear and start marketing the SeaCity Museum properly! (Sadly, this has brought to mind the famous marketing of "The Dome" by the Labour government! What an abject failure that was! Labour and Commercialism do not mix!) George4th
  • Score: -7

2:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

FreemantleJamez says...

Pity the Tourist information centre was closed, at present there is no Tourist Information centre in Southampton which for a city trying to promote its history and culture is absolute madness!
Pity the Tourist information centre was closed, at present there is no Tourist Information centre in Southampton which for a city trying to promote its history and culture is absolute madness! FreemantleJamez
  • Score: 9

2:51pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
14:22 = -7 lol
14:50 = -9 lol
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh![/p][/quote]14:22 = -7 lol[/p][/quote]14:50 = -9 lol Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

2:52pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

9 k a week must be the wages and runnings costs , total fail.
9 k a week must be the wages and runnings costs , total fail. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: -2

3:02pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Grumpy San says...

What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all.
Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront.
Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger.
What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all. Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront. Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger. Grumpy San
  • Score: 9

3:09pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

FreemantleJamez wrote:
Pity the Tourist information centre was closed, at present there is no Tourist Information centre in Southampton which for a city trying to promote its history and culture is absolute madness!
There will be one when the Wool House reopens as a restaurant later this year.
[quote][p][bold]FreemantleJamez[/bold] wrote: Pity the Tourist information centre was closed, at present there is no Tourist Information centre in Southampton which for a city trying to promote its history and culture is absolute madness![/p][/quote]There will be one when the Wool House reopens as a restaurant later this year. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 1

3:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
Wasn't LH moving to that centre of cultural elegance, Liverpool? Maybe too busy to take you up in your trivial pursuits?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]Wasn't LH moving to that centre of cultural elegance, Liverpool? Maybe too busy to take you up in your trivial pursuits? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:22pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

Grumpy San wrote:
What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all.
Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront.
Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger.
"Based at the heart of Southampton, SeaCity Museum tells the story of the people of the city, their fascinating lives and historic connections with Titanic and the sea"

Maybe folk don't want to know the seafaring history of their home City? A bit surprising given that it is a Major Port! The children who visit appreciate it even if SOME adults don't!

As one poster has already pointed out, many who criticise on here have never been!

The apathy that pervades Southampton can be summed up by the number of free SeaCity Museum tickets allocated to Southampton citizens and were not used!

On your other point. While other towns and cities like Cardiff were busily developing and modernising their waterfronts, the then Councils in Southampton were sitting on their hands!

You will only get things done when you no longer have a Labour council - Labour has a wonderful record of non-achievement in Southampton!
[quote][p][bold]Grumpy San[/bold] wrote: What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all. Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront. Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger.[/p][/quote]"Based at the heart of Southampton, SeaCity Museum tells the story of the people of the city, their fascinating lives and historic connections with Titanic and the sea" Maybe folk don't want to know the seafaring history of their home City? A bit surprising given that it is a Major Port! The children who visit appreciate it even if SOME adults don't! As one poster has already pointed out, many who criticise on here have never been! The apathy that pervades Southampton can be summed up by the number of free SeaCity Museum tickets allocated to Southampton citizens and were not used! On your other point. While other towns and cities like Cardiff were busily developing and modernising their waterfronts, the then Councils in Southampton were sitting on their hands! You will only get things done when you no longer have a Labour council - Labour has a wonderful record of non-achievement in Southampton! George4th
  • Score: -9

3:23pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

3:29pm Mon 9 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

The proposed Maritime and Aviation Museum project on the dockside had my backing, but corporate greed saw that one off too. I fear for the future of Solent Sky Museum exhibits and the Calshot Lightship and other maritime gems that were proposed to be in there.
The proposed Maritime and Aviation Museum project on the dockside had my backing, but corporate greed saw that one off too. I fear for the future of Solent Sky Museum exhibits and the Calshot Lightship and other maritime gems that were proposed to be in there. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 6

3:42pm Mon 9 Jun 14

George4th says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow.
If you read my post correctly, it said "suddenly had lots of ='s".
I was merely pointing out this "childish" phenomena and making others aware of the crass stupidity/competitiv
e nature of some people!
(I've seen it before and not commented but today I had the urge!)

"Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow"

I think you know from my history that not a lot bothers me on here, other than a Labour council or Labour Government! I am quite proficient at it having witnessed first hand what a god awful mess they make everytime they get anywhere near "governance" - I use the word governance very lightly in Labour's case! :-)

You can't exactly hold up Labour as a role model on governance, can you?! :-)
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow.[/p][/quote]If you read my post correctly, it said "suddenly had lots of ='s". I was merely pointing out this "childish" phenomena and making others aware of the crass stupidity/competitiv e nature of some people! (I've seen it before and not commented but today I had the urge!) "Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow" I think you know from my history that not a lot bothers me on here, other than a Labour council or Labour Government! I am quite proficient at it having witnessed first hand what a god awful mess they make everytime they get anywhere near "governance" - I use the word governance very lightly in Labour's case! :-) You can't exactly hold up Labour as a role model on governance, can you?! :-) George4th
  • Score: -10

4:25pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done mickey01
  • Score: -12

4:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

You couldn’t really make it up you know.
.
The Tories spend millions on an ego trip white elephant ….. Use taxpayers money to part fund it. Give away thousands of free tickets to boost visitor numbers.
.
Then to cap it all 18 months down the line the Taxpayer has to find half a million pounds because the visitor numbers are dropping …… Now there’s a surprise.
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A sea museum ….. a mile from the sea and on top of a hill.
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And to cap it all the very useless Tory party blames Labour for it. ……… It’s the same old Tories wearing that suit of Teflon that nothing sticks to
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And what a god awful mess the Tories have made of this ........ and the passenger Hannidides still blurts his garbage.
You couldn’t really make it up you know. . The Tories spend millions on an ego trip white elephant ….. Use taxpayers money to part fund it. Give away thousands of free tickets to boost visitor numbers. . Then to cap it all 18 months down the line the Taxpayer has to find half a million pounds because the visitor numbers are dropping …… Now there’s a surprise. . A sea museum ….. a mile from the sea and on top of a hill. . And to cap it all the very useless Tory party blames Labour for it. ……… It’s the same old Tories wearing that suit of Teflon that nothing sticks to . And what a god awful mess the Tories have made of this ........ and the passenger Hannidides still blurts his garbage. Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 9

4:31pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

mickey01 wrote:
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it.
2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done[/p][/quote]1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it. 2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Mon 9 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton.

Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax.

You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.
Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton. Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax. You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -3

4:40pm Mon 9 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it.
2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.
Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower.
These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done[/p][/quote]1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it. 2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.[/p][/quote]Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower. These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

4:44pm Mon 9 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Why was this even built in the first place? We already had a perfectly good (and much much cheaper) Titanic museum in a convenient place down the Wool House but now that's had to close and move all the exhibits here. Why? Yes, the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic disaster should be commemorated here but wouldn't it have been better to keep the Maritime Museum in the Wool House and put on something temporary to commemorate the disaster?

This proves what a lot of people have been saying. That it was always going to do well in 2012 and from then on after it was going to go downhill. I have been there and it is really overpriced. There were some decent exhibits granted, but they were all temporary and have now gone and the £8.50 admission price is not justified. Especially as the old Maritime Museum was free until it cost something like £2 to get in.

As I'm sure most of you are aware Southampton is apparently the 18th most visited City by foreign tourists. To me, the stats don't add up. How can it be that we are the 18th most visited City in the UK by foreign tourists if our so called 'star attraction' isn't attracting enough visitors and is running at a loss? Could it be that most of them are cruise passengers who are only staying here overnight because their cruise leaves at stupid o'clock the following morning?
Why was this even built in the first place? We already had a perfectly good (and much much cheaper) Titanic museum in a convenient place down the Wool House but now that's had to close and move all the exhibits here. Why? Yes, the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic disaster should be commemorated here but wouldn't it have been better to keep the Maritime Museum in the Wool House and put on something temporary to commemorate the disaster? This proves what a lot of people have been saying. That it was always going to do well in 2012 and from then on after it was going to go downhill. I have been there and it is really overpriced. There were some decent exhibits granted, but they were all temporary and have now gone and the £8.50 admission price is not justified. Especially as the old Maritime Museum was free until it cost something like £2 to get in. As I'm sure most of you are aware Southampton is apparently the 18th most visited City by foreign tourists. To me, the stats don't add up. How can it be that we are the 18th most visited City in the UK by foreign tourists if our so called 'star attraction' isn't attracting enough visitors and is running at a loss? Could it be that most of them are cruise passengers who are only staying here overnight because their cruise leaves at stupid o'clock the following morning? 03alpe01
  • Score: 0

4:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

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[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS search for the truth
  • Score: -1

4:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

03alpe01 wrote:
Why was this even built in the first place? We already had a perfectly good (and much much cheaper) Titanic museum in a convenient place down the Wool House but now that's had to close and move all the exhibits here. Why? Yes, the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic disaster should be commemorated here but wouldn't it have been better to keep the Maritime Museum in the Wool House and put on something temporary to commemorate the disaster?

This proves what a lot of people have been saying. That it was always going to do well in 2012 and from then on after it was going to go downhill. I have been there and it is really overpriced. There were some decent exhibits granted, but they were all temporary and have now gone and the £8.50 admission price is not justified. Especially as the old Maritime Museum was free until it cost something like £2 to get in.

As I'm sure most of you are aware Southampton is apparently the 18th most visited City by foreign tourists. To me, the stats don't add up. How can it be that we are the 18th most visited City in the UK by foreign tourists if our so called 'star attraction' isn't attracting enough visitors and is running at a loss? Could it be that most of them are cruise passengers who are only staying here overnight because their cruise leaves at stupid o'clock the following morning?
Yes your right ! That's the only reason.
[quote][p][bold]03alpe01[/bold] wrote: Why was this even built in the first place? We already had a perfectly good (and much much cheaper) Titanic museum in a convenient place down the Wool House but now that's had to close and move all the exhibits here. Why? Yes, the 100th Anniversary of the Titanic disaster should be commemorated here but wouldn't it have been better to keep the Maritime Museum in the Wool House and put on something temporary to commemorate the disaster? This proves what a lot of people have been saying. That it was always going to do well in 2012 and from then on after it was going to go downhill. I have been there and it is really overpriced. There were some decent exhibits granted, but they were all temporary and have now gone and the £8.50 admission price is not justified. Especially as the old Maritime Museum was free until it cost something like £2 to get in. As I'm sure most of you are aware Southampton is apparently the 18th most visited City by foreign tourists. To me, the stats don't add up. How can it be that we are the 18th most visited City in the UK by foreign tourists if our so called 'star attraction' isn't attracting enough visitors and is running at a loss? Could it be that most of them are cruise passengers who are only staying here overnight because their cruise leaves at stupid o'clock the following morning?[/p][/quote]Yes your right ! That's the only reason. search for the truth
  • Score: 4

5:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.
Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem.

Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?
So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble.

Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done?
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.[/p][/quote]Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem. Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?[/p][/quote]So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble. Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

*candidate*
*candidate* WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 1

5:20pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ian Dowland says...

The Wrinkled Retainer wrote:
Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable!
Sorry 'The Wrinkled Retainer', I meant to 'LIKE' your comment but I hit the wrong button. ... "Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable!" ... very clever and just what I feel for the museum. A 'Sea Museum' should in my opinion be down on the waterfront and not up in the centre of town as folk that is interested in Sea Life and ships will visit that area of the waterfront and maybe not traipsing all over town to find a museum dedicated to the shipping etc...
[quote][p][bold]The Wrinkled Retainer[/bold] wrote: Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable![/p][/quote]Sorry 'The Wrinkled Retainer', I meant to 'LIKE' your comment but I hit the wrong button. ... "Looks like Sea City is likely to go the way as it's main exhibit......and they said it was unsinkable!" ... very clever and just what I feel for the museum. A 'Sea Museum' should in my opinion be down on the waterfront and not up in the centre of town as folk that is interested in Sea Life and ships will visit that area of the waterfront and maybe not traipsing all over town to find a museum dedicated to the shipping etc... Ian Dowland
  • Score: 1

5:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

BeyondImagination says...

Cruise ships leave in the afternoon usually between 4 and 6. If they left early in the morning passengers arriving late at night would need to stay over night too. What a good idea. More hotels, more foreign visitors and no more visitors to Sea City museum.
Cruise ships leave in the afternoon usually between 4 and 6. If they left early in the morning passengers arriving late at night would need to stay over night too. What a good idea. More hotels, more foreign visitors and no more visitors to Sea City museum. BeyondImagination
  • Score: -2

5:34pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Ian Dowland says...

The Wool House was the ideal location for a museum to the sea or to be more exact to the shipping that used Southampton as a port. There are lots of other buildings around to have another bar, do we need our wonderfully historic Wool House as another ? It is so strange how politicians, even local ones seem to know what is best for the folk of Southampton and all the visitors to The City.
The Wool House was the ideal location for a museum to the sea or to be more exact to the shipping that used Southampton as a port. There are lots of other buildings around to have another bar, do we need our wonderfully historic Wool House as another ? It is so strange how politicians, even local ones seem to know what is best for the folk of Southampton and all the visitors to The City. Ian Dowland
  • Score: 2

5:38pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Linesman wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place.

Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody.

I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think.

Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise.

The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.
The thing now is, the situation can't be changed. Apportioning the blame can't change the past. So the most important thing is to work out what to do and then do it. Getting the thing back to break-even is a first step. I've made some concrete suggestions. Has anyone else got any?
For it to break even, it needs paying customers to come through the door.

If it had been nearer to the docks - the Maritime area of the city - then there is a strong possibility that passengers visiting on cruise liners would take a look, and being nearer to the shopping centre, some shoppers may also visit.

The first year the numbers did not reach break-even, and that included all the Free Pass people who visited.

While it is located at the Civic Centre, it is far from the centre of activity in the city, and you cannot change that.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place. Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody. I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think. Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise. The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.[/p][/quote]The thing now is, the situation can't be changed. Apportioning the blame can't change the past. So the most important thing is to work out what to do and then do it. Getting the thing back to break-even is a first step. I've made some concrete suggestions. Has anyone else got any?[/p][/quote]For it to break even, it needs paying customers to come through the door. If it had been nearer to the docks - the Maritime area of the city - then there is a strong possibility that passengers visiting on cruise liners would take a look, and being nearer to the shopping centre, some shoppers may also visit. The first year the numbers did not reach break-even, and that included all the Free Pass people who visited. While it is located at the Civic Centre, it is far from the centre of activity in the city, and you cannot change that. Linesman
  • Score: 4

5:41pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton.

Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax.

You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.
You really are clutching at straws with that comment.

Maybe there would have been no need to increase parking charges if the council had not had to face a cut in the government grant.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton. Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax. You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.[/p][/quote]You really are clutching at straws with that comment. Maybe there would have been no need to increase parking charges if the council had not had to face a cut in the government grant. Linesman
  • Score: 1

5:45pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton.

Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax.

You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.
You really are clutching at straws with that comment.

Maybe there would have been no need to increase parking charges if the council had not had to face a cut in the government grant.
I spoke to one of my local councillors about this. The parking charges aren't popular - and I live in the city centre, so I know - but the money that they are raising is being directly ploughed back into fixing the roads. So it's the motorists that will benefit. Unfortunately we've had a few years of atrocious winter weather so there are more potholes than before, but at least this is starting to fix them.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton. Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax. You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.[/p][/quote]You really are clutching at straws with that comment. Maybe there would have been no need to increase parking charges if the council had not had to face a cut in the government grant.[/p][/quote]I spoke to one of my local councillors about this. The parking charges aren't popular - and I live in the city centre, so I know - but the money that they are raising is being directly ploughed back into fixing the roads. So it's the motorists that will benefit. Unfortunately we've had a few years of atrocious winter weather so there are more potholes than before, but at least this is starting to fix them. WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 7

6:28pm Mon 9 Jun 14

skeptik says...

George4th says...

The past year has been poorly marketed which is not surprising with the Labour party who traditionally have no commercial sense whatsoever!

(Labour managing to Bankrupt UK Plc Twice! No wonder Labour voters are switching to UKIP!)

This museum is part of what will be a Wonderful Cultural Quarter at the top end of the City of Southampton. It forms part of what will be the main tourist attraction for Southampton.

(Let's face it, we have had too many Labour councils who wouldn't know what culture was if it hit them smack in the face!)


Bankrupt - when? Are you repeating headlines because I cannot find anywhere in treasury records where bankruptcy is recorded. Fact is there has only been one chancellor since 1945 who has handed over an economy in growth - Ken Clark. Both parties have left notes - two of which stand out - a Tory chancellor left - 'Sorry about the mess old son' and a Labour one left 'nothing left in the kitty'. There have been more recessions under conservative administrations since 1945 - both are equal in incompetence.
George4th says... The past year has been poorly marketed which is not surprising with the Labour party who traditionally have no commercial sense whatsoever! (Labour managing to Bankrupt UK Plc Twice! No wonder Labour voters are switching to UKIP!) This museum is part of what will be a Wonderful Cultural Quarter at the top end of the City of Southampton. It forms part of what will be the main tourist attraction for Southampton. (Let's face it, we have had too many Labour councils who wouldn't know what culture was if it hit them smack in the face!) Bankrupt - when? Are you repeating headlines because I cannot find anywhere in treasury records where bankruptcy is recorded. Fact is there has only been one chancellor since 1945 who has handed over an economy in growth - Ken Clark. Both parties have left notes - two of which stand out - a Tory chancellor left - 'Sorry about the mess old son' and a Labour one left 'nothing left in the kitty'. There have been more recessions under conservative administrations since 1945 - both are equal in incompetence. skeptik
  • Score: 1

6:42pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

We all knew this would be a five minute wonder and hey presto,it has failed. The efforts to boost numbers for it were a clear sign of the desperation of this vanity project. all this has done is compound the financing problems forced on the Council by the coalition Government. the sooner it is closed down and the venue turned into something useful, like a live music venue, the better.
We all knew this would be a five minute wonder and hey presto,it has failed. The efforts to boost numbers for it were a clear sign of the desperation of this vanity project. all this has done is compound the financing problems forced on the Council by the coalition Government. the sooner it is closed down and the venue turned into something useful, like a live music venue, the better. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 6

6:53pm Mon 9 Jun 14

halibutjackson says...

They need to aim it more at adults. There is no reason why they cant open at night and have a decent restaurant and bar inside, you pay a set price for entrance and a meal after dark. Maybe even have an exhibit on the ghosts of Southampton thats only open to evening visitors.
They need to aim it more at adults. There is no reason why they cant open at night and have a decent restaurant and bar inside, you pay a set price for entrance and a meal after dark. Maybe even have an exhibit on the ghosts of Southampton thats only open to evening visitors. halibutjackson
  • Score: 7

6:54pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton.

Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax.

You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.
Smacks of desperation
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton. Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax. You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.[/p][/quote]Smacks of desperation Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

6:58pm Mon 9 Jun 14

The Watcher says...

Seems I've called two of our "White Elephants" right then.
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When Eastpoint was built, I predicted it would fail. Was not the right place, was never going to compete with the hotels etc.
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And when this "folly" was built, I said it would never wash its face either. Wrong place, wrong theme, just wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Now of course there may be a case to subsidise the arts, culture and other leisure pursuits, but that's not how the citizens and taxpayers of this City were sold this White Elephant. We were promised by Cllrs Smith & co that it would pay its way.
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A monumental faux pas.
Seems I've called two of our "White Elephants" right then. . When Eastpoint was built, I predicted it would fail. Was not the right place, was never going to compete with the hotels etc. . And when this "folly" was built, I said it would never wash its face either. Wrong place, wrong theme, just wrong, wrong, wrong. . Now of course there may be a case to subsidise the arts, culture and other leisure pursuits, but that's not how the citizens and taxpayers of this City were sold this White Elephant. We were promised by Cllrs Smith & co that it would pay its way. . A monumental faux pas. The Watcher
  • Score: 3

6:59pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
14:22 = -7 lol
14:50 = -9 lol
18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh![/p][/quote]14:22 = -7 lol[/p][/quote]14:50 = -9 lol[/p][/quote]18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

7:07pm Mon 9 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

http://www.tripadvis

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Review-g186337-d2139

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Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose phil maccavity
  • Score: 3

7:24pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
14:22 = -7 lol
14:50 = -9 lol
18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol
Just goes to show how in touch he is with public opinion!!
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh![/p][/quote]14:22 = -7 lol[/p][/quote]14:50 = -9 lol[/p][/quote]18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol[/p][/quote]Just goes to show how in touch he is with public opinion!! Maine Lobster
  • Score: 4

7:29pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

George4th wrote:
Linesman wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.
There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place.

Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody.

I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think.

Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise.

The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.
How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?!

The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the SeaCity Museum or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors.

Simon Letts quote "“We have some good exhibitions coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too.”
He does a lot of "thinking" - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He "thinks" it might...............

............
Come on Mr Letts, get your whatsit in gear and start marketing the SeaCity Museum properly!

(Sadly, this has brought to mind the famous marketing of "The Dome" by the Labour government! What an abject failure that was! Labour and Commercialism do not mix!)
"How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?"

It's title is 'Sea City Museum'. It should have been located near where ships enter and depart from the City, and in case you had not noticed, they do no leave from the Civic Centre.

"The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the Sea City Museum, or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors."

In it's first year, under the Tory administration who landed the city with this massive white elephant, the museum did not attract 'break even' numbers through its doors, and that includes all of the Free Passes that were dished out. Pretty pathetic when you try to blame the current administration for not making a giant, expensive ****-up into a paying proposition.

"Simon Letts quote "We have some good exhibition coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too." He dose a lot of 'thinking'. - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He 'thinks' it might..."

If the previous administration had done a bit more thinking before rushing ahead with, what they thought would be, 'a prestige project', the current administration would not be left with having to fund their total incompetence. Hollywood makes a 'blockbuster' film 'Titanic', and the Tory administration thought that they would make a financial killing on the back of it.

Positive action?

Positively disastrous, financially.

"Labour and Commercialism do not mix."

This near half-million pound loss in two years can only be laid at the door of the previous Tory administration.

My betting is that, when electioneering next year, Royston Smith will not be boasting about the massive part that he played in this financial disaster.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]I am a Labour supporter and I deplore the lack of interest shown by the Labour Party in supporting our heritage, it is one of the major failings that they have shown for many years, that's their Political choice, but I think they are wrong in this respect. There is much to be critical about how this was done, but at least they showed an interest. It shouldn't be a Political football but something the whole community takes responsibility for, before it is all lost for future generations.[/p][/quote]There is one hell of a difference between taking an interest in our heritage and spending a lot of money on a prestige white elephant, situated in the wrong place. Many people, of all political persuasions, were not convinced by the hype that Royston Smith spun about this project, but he went 'steaming ahead', listening to nobody. I am as keen as anyone to respect and honour our heritage, but this was sold to us as a 'money spinning investment', despite many people, with greater knowledge than me, urging caution and a re-think. Even the promised funding for the project did not materialise. The only ones to make money on the deal, are those that built it.[/p][/quote]How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?! The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the SeaCity Museum or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors. Simon Letts quote "“We have some good exhibitions coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too.” He does a lot of "thinking" - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He "thinks" it might............... ............ Come on Mr Letts, get your whatsit in gear and start marketing the SeaCity Museum properly! (Sadly, this has brought to mind the famous marketing of "The Dome" by the Labour government! What an abject failure that was! Labour and Commercialism do not mix!)[/p][/quote]"How can a Museum in a Culture Quarter be in the wrong place?" It's title is 'Sea City Museum'. It should have been located near where ships enter and depart from the City, and in case you had not noticed, they do no leave from the Civic Centre. "The point is that the current Labour council neglected to Market the Sea City Museum, or to ensure that the Museum was Exhibiting new projects to attract visitors." In it's first year, under the Tory administration who landed the city with this massive white elephant, the museum did not attract 'break even' numbers through its doors, and that includes all of the Free Passes that were dished out. Pretty pathetic when you try to blame the current administration for not making a giant, expensive ****-up into a paying proposition. "Simon Letts quote "We have some good exhibition coming up that I think will boost visitor numbers, and I think the current one is excellent too." He dose a lot of 'thinking'. - absolutely nothing positive about what he said! He 'thinks' it might..." If the previous administration had done a bit more thinking before rushing ahead with, what they thought would be, 'a prestige project', the current administration would not be left with having to fund their total incompetence. Hollywood makes a 'blockbuster' film 'Titanic', and the Tory administration thought that they would make a financial killing on the back of it. Positive action? Positively disastrous, financially. "Labour and Commercialism do not mix." This near half-million pound loss in two years can only be laid at the door of the previous Tory administration. My betting is that, when electioneering next year, Royston Smith will not be boasting about the massive part that he played in this financial disaster. Linesman
  • Score: 2

8:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

http://www.tripadvis


or.co.uk/Attraction_


Review-g186337-d2139


55-Reviews-or10-Mers


eyside_Maritime_Muse


um-Liverpool_Merseys


ide_England.html#REV


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Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run.

For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised.

Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state.

Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view.

Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS
.
National museums established by Act of Parliament

• British Museum, London
• Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester
• National Gallery, London
• National Maritime Museum, London

• National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums )

It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London.

• Science Museum Group
o Science Museum, London
o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester
o National Railway Museum, York
o National Media Museum, Bradford
o Science Museum, Swindon
o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham
• National Portrait Gallery, London
• National Army Museum, Chelsea, London
• Natural History Museum, London
• Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth
• Sir John Soane's Museum, London
• Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall
• Victoria and Albert Museum, London
• Wallace Collection, London

For more information see :-
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/National_Mu
seums_Liverpool
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose[/p][/quote]phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run. For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised. Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state. Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view. Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS . National museums established by Act of Parliament • British Museum, London • Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester • National Gallery, London • National Maritime Museum, London • National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums ) It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London. • Science Museum Group o Science Museum, London o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester o National Railway Museum, York o National Media Museum, Bradford o Science Museum, Swindon o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham • National Portrait Gallery, London • National Army Museum, Chelsea, London • Natural History Museum, London • Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth • Sir John Soane's Museum, London • Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall • Victoria and Albert Museum, London • Wallace Collection, London For more information see :- http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_Mu seums_Liverpool search for the truth
  • Score: -2

8:27pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Redhaired22 says...

George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
Shock! could it be that people could 'possibly' disagree with what you say and get fed up with your little reactionary Tory rhetoric - get over it!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]Shock! could it be that people could 'possibly' disagree with what you say and get fed up with your little reactionary Tory rhetoric - get over it! Redhaired22
  • Score: 2

9:55pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..?
Hog heaven!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..? Hog heaven! Shoong
  • Score: -3

10:48pm Mon 9 Jun 14

Linesman says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..?
Hog heaven!
It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear.

I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election,

I just hope that the voters remember and remind him.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..? Hog heaven![/p][/quote]It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear. I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election, I just hope that the voters remember and remind him. Linesman
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Mon 9 Jun 14

befriendly says...

It's all political and nothing to do with making money. The tories built it and now their in charge labour will let it run down so they can score political points at the next election, just as the tories will rubbish any thing labour do. Local politics should be immune to party orders with every councilor being an independent just interested in what's best for the people.
It's all political and nothing to do with making money. The tories built it and now their in charge labour will let it run down so they can score political points at the next election, just as the tories will rubbish any thing labour do. Local politics should be immune to party orders with every councilor being an independent just interested in what's best for the people. befriendly
  • Score: 0

11:12pm Mon 9 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

http://www.tripadvis



or.co.uk/Attraction_



Review-g186337-d2139



55-Reviews-or10-Mers



eyside_Maritime_Muse



um-Liverpool_Merseys



ide_England.html#REV



IEWS
Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run.

For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised.

Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state.

Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view.

Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS
.
National museums established by Act of Parliament

• British Museum, London
• Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester
• National Gallery, London
• National Maritime Museum, London

• National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums )

It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London.

• Science Museum Group
o Science Museum, London
o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester
o National Railway Museum, York
o National Media Museum, Bradford
o Science Museum, Swindon
o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham
• National Portrait Gallery, London
• National Army Museum, Chelsea, London
• Natural History Museum, London
• Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth
• Sir John Soane's Museum, London
• Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall
• Victoria and Albert Museum, London
• Wallace Collection, London

For more information see :-
http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/National_Mu

seums_Liverpool
Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded.

As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants

This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission.

That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre.
David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off.
Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was.
Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008.
The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK
That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that.
However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose[/p][/quote]phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run. For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised. Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state. Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view. Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS . National museums established by Act of Parliament • British Museum, London • Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester • National Gallery, London • National Maritime Museum, London • National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums ) It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London. • Science Museum Group o Science Museum, London o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester o National Railway Museum, York o National Media Museum, Bradford o Science Museum, Swindon o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham • National Portrait Gallery, London • National Army Museum, Chelsea, London • Natural History Museum, London • Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth • Sir John Soane's Museum, London • Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall • Victoria and Albert Museum, London • Wallace Collection, London For more information see :- http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_Mu seums_Liverpool[/p][/quote]Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded. As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission. That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre. David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off. Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was. Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008. The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that. However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat. phil maccavity
  • Score: 1

11:18pm Mon 9 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

http://www.tripadvis




or.co.uk/Attraction_




Review-g186337-d2139




55-Reviews-or10-Mers




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Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run.

For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised.

Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state.

Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view.

Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS
.
National museums established by Act of Parliament

• British Museum, London
• Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester
• National Gallery, London
• National Maritime Museum, London

• National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums )

It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London.

• Science Museum Group
o Science Museum, London
o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester
o National Railway Museum, York
o National Media Museum, Bradford
o Science Museum, Swindon
o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham
• National Portrait Gallery, London
• National Army Museum, Chelsea, London
• Natural History Museum, London
• Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth
• Sir John Soane's Museum, London
• Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall
• Victoria and Albert Museum, London
• Wallace Collection, London

For more information see :-
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/National_Mu


seums_Liverpool
Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded.

As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants

This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission.

That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre.
David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off.
Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was.
Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008.
The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK
That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that.
However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.
Well said. I also wonder why anyone from outside an area would regularly post on another local paper's website. It seems rather sad to me. Surely you'd think 'search for the truth' ought to have better things to do?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose[/p][/quote]phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run. For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised. Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state. Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view. Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS . National museums established by Act of Parliament • British Museum, London • Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester • National Gallery, London • National Maritime Museum, London • National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums ) It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London. • Science Museum Group o Science Museum, London o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester o National Railway Museum, York o National Media Museum, Bradford o Science Museum, Swindon o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham • National Portrait Gallery, London • National Army Museum, Chelsea, London • Natural History Museum, London • Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth • Sir John Soane's Museum, London • Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall • Victoria and Albert Museum, London • Wallace Collection, London For more information see :- http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_Mu seums_Liverpool[/p][/quote]Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded. As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission. That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre. David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off. Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was. Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008. The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that. However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.[/p][/quote]Well said. I also wonder why anyone from outside an area would regularly post on another local paper's website. It seems rather sad to me. Surely you'd think 'search for the truth' ought to have better things to do? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

11:57pm Mon 9 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

http://www.tripadvis




or.co.uk/Attraction_




Review-g186337-d2139




55-Reviews-or10-Mers




eyside_Maritime_Muse




um-Liverpool_Merseys




ide_England.html#REV




IEWS
Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run.

For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised.

Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state.

Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view.

Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS
.
National museums established by Act of Parliament

• British Museum, London
• Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester
• National Gallery, London
• National Maritime Museum, London

• National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums )

It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London.

• Science Museum Group
o Science Museum, London
o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester
o National Railway Museum, York
o National Media Museum, Bradford
o Science Museum, Swindon
o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham
• National Portrait Gallery, London
• National Army Museum, Chelsea, London
• Natural History Museum, London
• Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth
• Sir John Soane's Museum, London
• Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall
• Victoria and Albert Museum, London
• Wallace Collection, London

For more information see :-
http://en.wikipedia.


org/wiki/National_Mu


seums_Liverpool
Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded.

As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants

This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission.

That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre.
David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off.
Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was.
Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008.
The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK
That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that.
However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.
I come on here when people like you continually give mis-information regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool.
You haven't decried the fact that nearly every museum in London and all those others in the list are free and financed by the taxpayer. The reason's why they are free and financed in that way is because they are all deemed to be of national and international importance, You can't see that though as in your narrow little bigoted mind , you see nothing worthy north of Watford.

I have suggested and been supported in my views by local posters that your local council has failed to promote Southampton . It has a captive market with the numbers of people waiting at your cruise ship bus stops, but has failed miserably to maximise economic benefits from promoting your city. You could learn a lot by studying how Chester and York make huge economic returns from their historic past, but I fear that
Southampton will always miss the boat because they cannot see what others see as being wrong in their approach to the problem.

An example being,,,,,,,,,, what idiot would build a maritime museum that is nowhere near water ( so you can't have maritime items ie. boats, tugs etc near it ). No wonder nobody visits it, it's totally in the wrong place.

Of course who am I to tell you, I only live in a port where the maritime museum was 19th most popular museum in UK and had 845,709 visitors in 2012, ( I know your going to go on about it being free aren't you ). Well also free was The British Museum which came 1st with 5,575,946
visitors in 2012 but of course that's in London so it's ok to be free isn't it ?
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose[/p][/quote]phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run. For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised. Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state. Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view. Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS . National museums established by Act of Parliament • British Museum, London • Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester • National Gallery, London • National Maritime Museum, London • National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums ) It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London. • Science Museum Group o Science Museum, London o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester o National Railway Museum, York o National Media Museum, Bradford o Science Museum, Swindon o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham • National Portrait Gallery, London • National Army Museum, Chelsea, London • Natural History Museum, London • Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth • Sir John Soane's Museum, London • Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall • Victoria and Albert Museum, London • Wallace Collection, London For more information see :- http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_Mu seums_Liverpool[/p][/quote]Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded. As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission. That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre. David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off. Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was. Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008. The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that. However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.[/p][/quote]I come on here when people like you continually give mis-information regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool. You haven't decried the fact that nearly every museum in London and all those others in the list are free and financed by the taxpayer. The reason's why they are free and financed in that way is because they are all deemed to be of national and international importance, You can't see that though as in your narrow little bigoted mind , you see nothing worthy north of Watford. I have suggested and been supported in my views by local posters that your local council has failed to promote Southampton . It has a captive market with the numbers of people waiting at your cruise ship bus stops, but has failed miserably to maximise economic benefits from promoting your city. You could learn a lot by studying how Chester and York make huge economic returns from their historic past, but I fear that Southampton will always miss the boat because they cannot see what others see as being wrong in their approach to the problem. An example being,,,,,,,,,, what idiot would build a maritime museum that is nowhere near water ( so you can't have maritime items ie. boats, tugs etc near it ). No wonder nobody visits it, it's totally in the wrong place. Of course who am I to tell you, I only live in a port where the maritime museum was 19th most popular museum in UK and had 845,709 visitors in 2012, ( I know your going to go on about it being free aren't you ). Well also free was The British Museum which came 1st with 5,575,946 visitors in 2012 but of course that's in London so it's ok to be free isn't it ? search for the truth
  • Score: -1

6:26am Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Under the Tory council this was going to be run by a management company so no costs to us the tax payers but Labour came to power & this never happened.
Now I've been watching Museums at Night where museums all over the country are opening at night to concert's or private parties as a means of funding could this be the way to go?
Liverpool doesn't charge to go in it's museums & it runs museum at night functions can we learn from them?
Under the Tory council this was going to be run by a management company so no costs to us the tax payers but Labour came to power & this never happened. Now I've been watching Museums at Night where museums all over the country are opening at night to concert's or private parties as a means of funding could this be the way to go? Liverpool doesn't charge to go in it's museums & it runs museum at night functions can we learn from them? loosehead
  • Score: -1

6:32am Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton.

Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax.

You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.
see your the favourite tory to attack now! As I've just posted & so has one other poster making use of this asset at night could be the way to go & who knows maybe it'll make a profit?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour's increase parking charges have not helped, Labour putting up the cost of living for us all in Southampton. Vote Labour and watch the cost of living rise, Labour are not frightened to Tax Tax Tax. You will never find your council bill going down under Labour, but you may find more pot holes and traffic jams.[/p][/quote]see your the favourite tory to attack now! As I've just posted & so has one other poster making use of this asset at night could be the way to go & who knows maybe it'll make a profit? loosehead
  • Score: -1

7:03am Tue 10 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

WalkingOnAWire wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.
Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem.

Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?
So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble.

Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done?
Having a life I do not spend all my time on this blog site, so have only just seen these comments. I would not have built this waste of space in the first place, although when I sat on the initial advisory committee we said if a sea city museum was to be built in Southampton it should be near the water where parking could be easily made available for the site. As usual no one listens to the people. This of course is what UKIP, as the only truly democratic political party in the UK, would have done. The future now is only improvable if grants are found to build a new one in a more appropriate place. The site would be more appropriate for a police station than the currently not easily visited site.
[quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.[/p][/quote]Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem. Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?[/p][/quote]So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble. Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done?[/p][/quote]Having a life I do not spend all my time on this blog site, so have only just seen these comments. I would not have built this waste of space in the first place, although when I sat on the initial advisory committee we said if a sea city museum was to be built in Southampton it should be near the water where parking could be easily made available for the site. As usual no one listens to the people. This of course is what UKIP, as the only truly democratic political party in the UK, would have done. The future now is only improvable if grants are found to build a new one in a more appropriate place. The site would be more appropriate for a police station than the currently not easily visited site. Inform Al
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8:06am Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Labour are so negative, use Loosehead's advice use this value asset better.

Tories are positive and want this great City to succeed, Labour love failure and strikes, what a terrible example for the young.
Labour are so negative, use Loosehead's advice use this value asset better. Tories are positive and want this great City to succeed, Labour love failure and strikes, what a terrible example for the young. aldermoorboy
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8:30am Tue 10 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Labour are so negative, use Loosehead's advice use this value asset better. Tories are positive and want this great City to succeed, Labour love failure and strikes, what a terrible example for the young.
Taking refuge in attacking Labour for the Tory folly over this waste of public resources is a poor attempt to deflect blame from the previous administration. Royston Smith clearly got it wrong, there are no excuses, he didn't listen to public opinion or warnings and SeaCity has turned out to be the millstone most of us expected. He didn't listen either over the cuts he imposed on Council staff which led to his party being voted out. His ego continues to cost him. Perhaps for his own benefit, he might learn one day - although I hope he doesn't if it keeps him out out office.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Labour are so negative, use Loosehead's advice use this value asset better. Tories are positive and want this great City to succeed, Labour love failure and strikes, what a terrible example for the young.[/p][/quote]Taking refuge in attacking Labour for the Tory folly over this waste of public resources is a poor attempt to deflect blame from the previous administration. Royston Smith clearly got it wrong, there are no excuses, he didn't listen to public opinion or warnings and SeaCity has turned out to be the millstone most of us expected. He didn't listen either over the cuts he imposed on Council staff which led to his party being voted out. His ego continues to cost him. Perhaps for his own benefit, he might learn one day - although I hope he doesn't if it keeps him out out office. Maine Lobster
  • Score: -1

8:36am Tue 10 Jun 14

Linesman says...

befriendly wrote:
It's all political and nothing to do with making money. The tories built it and now their in charge labour will let it run down so they can score political points at the next election, just as the tories will rubbish any thing labour do. Local politics should be immune to party orders with every councilor being an independent just interested in what's best for the people.
When you start your post with the words, 'It's all political', I assume that you are talking about your post, because you appear to be wanting to absolve Royrston Smith's administration of all blame, and say that it is all the fault of the current Labour one.

In the first year, under the Tory administration that had it built, it was not reaching its 'break even' target, and that included all the free passes that were handed out to residents.

The Labour administration are left with the task of minimising the losses.
[quote][p][bold]befriendly[/bold] wrote: It's all political and nothing to do with making money. The tories built it and now their in charge labour will let it run down so they can score political points at the next election, just as the tories will rubbish any thing labour do. Local politics should be immune to party orders with every councilor being an independent just interested in what's best for the people.[/p][/quote]When you start your post with the words, 'It's all political', I assume that you are talking about your post, because you appear to be wanting to absolve Royrston Smith's administration of all blame, and say that it is all the fault of the current Labour one. In the first year, under the Tory administration that had it built, it was not reaching its 'break even' target, and that included all the free passes that were handed out to residents. The Labour administration are left with the task of minimising the losses. Linesman
  • Score: -1

8:54am Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

The sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in control, Labour supported it when they came to power. It makes a loss under Labour then they blame the Tories for their miss management.

Labour destroy everything they touch, because they hate profit.

If they ran the Saints, they get rid of all the good players because they hate millionaires ( except their own), they would then have a board of 1000 well paid union people etc etc.Trust Labour to look after themselves first.
The sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in control, Labour supported it when they came to power. It makes a loss under Labour then they blame the Tories for their miss management. Labour destroy everything they touch, because they hate profit. If they ran the Saints, they get rid of all the good players because they hate millionaires ( except their own), they would then have a board of 1000 well paid union people etc etc.Trust Labour to look after themselves first. aldermoorboy
  • Score: 2

9:35am Tue 10 Jun 14

Linesman says...

loosehead wrote:
Under the Tory council this was going to be run by a management company so no costs to us the tax payers but Labour came to power & this never happened.
Now I've been watching Museums at Night where museums all over the country are opening at night to concert's or private parties as a means of funding could this be the way to go?
Liverpool doesn't charge to go in it's museums & it runs museum at night functions can we learn from them?
Under the Tory Council, we were told that it would not cost the council tax payers a penny, but would generate money.

If, as you say, the Tory council wanted it run by a management company, why didn't they do so? They had a year in which to carry out that plan, but took no action.

Of course, now that they have been booted out, in no small part due to their utter incompetence, they now come up with the benefit of hindsight.

You tell us about Liverpool, and how it does not charge entry to its museums but, of course, Liverpool does not have a Tory Council.

At the time of its construction, and since its opening, I have said that this was a White Elephant project that was going to cost us dear, but you loosehead, never being able to see anything wrong with your beloved Royston, fell for his sales talk.

Now you are looking for excuses.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: Under the Tory council this was going to be run by a management company so no costs to us the tax payers but Labour came to power & this never happened. Now I've been watching Museums at Night where museums all over the country are opening at night to concert's or private parties as a means of funding could this be the way to go? Liverpool doesn't charge to go in it's museums & it runs museum at night functions can we learn from them?[/p][/quote]Under the Tory Council, we were told that it would not cost the council tax payers a penny, but would generate money. If, as you say, the Tory council wanted it run by a management company, why didn't they do so? They had a year in which to carry out that plan, but took no action. Of course, now that they have been booted out, in no small part due to their utter incompetence, they now come up with the benefit of hindsight. You tell us about Liverpool, and how it does not charge entry to its museums but, of course, Liverpool does not have a Tory Council. At the time of its construction, and since its opening, I have said that this was a White Elephant project that was going to cost us dear, but you loosehead, never being able to see anything wrong with your beloved Royston, fell for his sales talk. Now you are looking for excuses. Linesman
  • Score: -3

9:53am Tue 10 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
search for the truth wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.
Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ).

I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715.
Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock.

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Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit.
However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by:

UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12)
EU & Merseyside Fund
Heritage Lottery Fund
European Regional Development Fund
North West Regional Development Agency (as was)

Money talks, especially if it is free!!

If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here.

If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose
phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run.

For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised.

Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state.

Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view.

Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS
.
National museums established by Act of Parliament

• British Museum, London
• Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester
• National Gallery, London
• National Maritime Museum, London

• National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums )

It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London.

• Science Museum Group
o Science Museum, London
o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester
o National Railway Museum, York
o National Media Museum, Bradford
o Science Museum, Swindon
o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham
• National Portrait Gallery, London
• National Army Museum, Chelsea, London
• Natural History Museum, London
• Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth
• Sir John Soane's Museum, London
• Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall
• Victoria and Albert Museum, London
• Wallace Collection, London

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Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded.

As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants

This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission.

That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre.
David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off.
Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was.
Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008.
The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK
That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that.
However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.
I come on here when people like you continually give mis-information regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool.
You haven't decried the fact that nearly every museum in London and all those others in the list are free and financed by the taxpayer. The reason's why they are free and financed in that way is because they are all deemed to be of national and international importance, You can't see that though as in your narrow little bigoted mind , you see nothing worthy north of Watford.

I have suggested and been supported in my views by local posters that your local council has failed to promote Southampton . It has a captive market with the numbers of people waiting at your cruise ship bus stops, but has failed miserably to maximise economic benefits from promoting your city. You could learn a lot by studying how Chester and York make huge economic returns from their historic past, but I fear that
Southampton will always miss the boat because they cannot see what others see as being wrong in their approach to the problem.

An example being,,,,,,,,,, what idiot would build a maritime museum that is nowhere near water ( so you can't have maritime items ie. boats, tugs etc near it ). No wonder nobody visits it, it's totally in the wrong place.

Of course who am I to tell you, I only live in a port where the maritime museum was 19th most popular museum in UK and had 845,709 visitors in 2012, ( I know your going to go on about it being free aren't you ). Well also free was The British Museum which came 1st with 5,575,946
visitors in 2012 but of course that's in London so it's ok to be free isn't it ?
Please advise the occasions when I have 'continually' given misinformation regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool.
I am happy to retract if the information is incorrect.
As for having a 'bigoted' view, perhaps you might take time for a little self reflection.
In the past I have posted positive comments on certain aspects of Merseyside life and, If you read an earlier post, I recommended a visit to Liverpool Museums .
Was that a bigoted comment?
Whilst it is understandable for you to comment on Liverpool specific topics you also spend an inordinate amount of time on a variety of news items that are specifically related to Southampton and then post denigrating comments.
I was in fact surprised that your recent comment on the chemical shipment into Marchwood Military Port didnt say how wonderful Stanlow Oil Refinery was compared to Fawley and how Veolia in Ellesmere Port is so much better than the local depot here in Marchwood
Your comments on London are a red herring.
If there were people like you from London regularly posting on here saying how wonderful that city is compared to poor old Southampton, then there would be a response.
The unfortunate fact of life is your constant presence on here with unfavourable comments on the city and region does harm to the more sensible and reasonable people on Merseyside.
I suspect you might actually be a fifth columnist based in Manchester!!
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: The project is like a curates egg, good in parts, but it is too narrow in it's outlook, it needs to bring in a variety of associated subjects, perhaps other forms of transport? I enjoyed my visit but there wasn't much in it that would attract me back again in a hurry. I bet a lot of the moaners on here have never even been inside so are hardly qualified to say much.[/p][/quote]Good grief haven't you got enough maritime history to fill your Maritime Museum, we have so much maritime history that we have to regularly change our galleries ( there's so much some of it may never be displayed ). I'm sure you could come to some sort of arrangement to borrow on loan some of our exhibits ( we have one of the finest collections relating to the Titanic and her two sister ships Olympic and Britannic ) after all the White Star Line had it's headquarters in Liverpool. Our Maritime Museum however covers a vast maritime history including a visit underground to the site of the world's first enclosed dock circ. 1715. Since it is housed in the Albert Dock ( part of the World Heritage Site and largest Grade 1 listed building in UK ) , it also has exhibits ( vessels ) in the dock. http://www.tripadvis or.co.uk/Attraction_ Review-g186337-d2139 55-Reviews-or10-Mers eyside_Maritime_Muse um-Liverpool_Merseys ide_England.html#REV IEWS[/p][/quote]Liverpool has fantastic Museums and I would recommend anyone to visit. However Liverpool Museums are heavily subsidised by: UK Dept of Culture, Media and Sport (£23.7 million Grant in 2011/12) EU & Merseyside Fund Heritage Lottery Fund European Regional Development Fund North West Regional Development Agency (as was) Money talks, especially if it is free!! If Southampton had the opportunity to gain access to the massive amount of UK and EC funding available elsewhere, I am sure there would be more to shout about down here. If such an unlikely grant aided circumstance did prevail here, I would be ashamed if posters from this area went on other forums to make regular and unfair comparisons but each to their own I suppose[/p][/quote]phil maccavity you have no idea how National Museums are run. For the sake of anybody interested this is how they are organised. Liverpool has always had a vast collection of museums, due to the merchant benefactors who bequeathed their extensive collections to the city. In recognition of the national and international status of these collections eight museums are now owned and operated by the state. Free entrance is standard practice in all UK National Museums, although some exhibits do require an admission fee to view. Several of the museums have more than one location throughout the UK. The national museums of the UK are funded by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) of the United Kingdom government, and are all located in England. There are 14 national museums, all established by Acts of Parliament, as well as another eight which are sponsored by the DCMS . National museums established by Act of Parliament • British Museum, London • Imperial War Museum, London, Cambridge and Manchester • National Gallery, London • National Maritime Museum, London • National Museums Liverpool, Liverpool ( eight museums ) It holds in trust multi-disciplinary collections of world wide origin made up of more than one million objects and works of art. The organisation holds courses, lectures, activities and events and provides educational workshops and activities for school children, young people and adults. Its venues are open to the public seven days a week 361 days a year and all exhibitions are free. National Museums Liverpool has charitable status and is England’s only national museums group based entirely outside London. • Science Museum Group o Science Museum, London o Museum of Science and Industry, Manchester o National Railway Museum, York o National Media Museum, Bradford o Science Museum, Swindon o Shildon Locomotion Museum, County Durham • National Portrait Gallery, London • National Army Museum, Chelsea, London • Natural History Museum, London • Royal Armouries, Leeds, London and Portsmouth • Sir John Soane's Museum, London • Tate, London, Liverpool and St. Ives, Cornwall • Victoria and Albert Museum, London • Wallace Collection, London For more information see :- http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/National_Mu seums_Liverpool[/p][/quote]Actually I know very well how National Museums are funded. As you say they rely almost solely on UK (and in some places like Liverpool) EU grants This enables them to invest heavily in facilities and offer Free Admission. That is fair enough but it ill behoves people like you to regularly come onto the Southern Echo site and, from your Wirral residence, make snide remarks about how poorly Southampton does in comparison to Liverpool, when the latter has been fortunate to have billions of pounds of free money in recent years to regenerate the city centre. David Bartlett of the much lamented Daily Post wrote an article on 21st July 2009 reflecting on the fact that without European Objective One funding Liverpool would have been written off. Population would have been 10-20% less and private investment probably half of what it was. Objective One contributed funds to more than 1,802 projects between 2000 and 2008. The £50m invested in the Echo Arena and Convention centre was the single largest EU Grant made in the UK That is why Liverpool is doing well in certain areas and fair play to them for that. However you can't come on here and regularly denigrate Southampton when free money from the UK and EU, available to this region has, in comparison, been the square root of diddly squat.[/p][/quote]I come on here when people like you continually give mis-information regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool. You haven't decried the fact that nearly every museum in London and all those others in the list are free and financed by the taxpayer. The reason's why they are free and financed in that way is because they are all deemed to be of national and international importance, You can't see that though as in your narrow little bigoted mind , you see nothing worthy north of Watford. I have suggested and been supported in my views by local posters that your local council has failed to promote Southampton . It has a captive market with the numbers of people waiting at your cruise ship bus stops, but has failed miserably to maximise economic benefits from promoting your city. You could learn a lot by studying how Chester and York make huge economic returns from their historic past, but I fear that Southampton will always miss the boat because they cannot see what others see as being wrong in their approach to the problem. An example being,,,,,,,,,, what idiot would build a maritime museum that is nowhere near water ( so you can't have maritime items ie. boats, tugs etc near it ). No wonder nobody visits it, it's totally in the wrong place. Of course who am I to tell you, I only live in a port where the maritime museum was 19th most popular museum in UK and had 845,709 visitors in 2012, ( I know your going to go on about it being free aren't you ). Well also free was The British Museum which came 1st with 5,575,946 visitors in 2012 but of course that's in London so it's ok to be free isn't it ?[/p][/quote]Please advise the occasions when I have 'continually' given misinformation regarding certain matters to do with Liverpool. I am happy to retract if the information is incorrect. As for having a 'bigoted' view, perhaps you might take time for a little self reflection. In the past I have posted positive comments on certain aspects of Merseyside life and, If you read an earlier post, I recommended a visit to Liverpool Museums . Was that a bigoted comment? Whilst it is understandable for you to comment on Liverpool specific topics you also spend an inordinate amount of time on a variety of news items that are specifically related to Southampton and then post denigrating comments. I was in fact surprised that your recent comment on the chemical shipment into Marchwood Military Port didnt say how wonderful Stanlow Oil Refinery was compared to Fawley and how Veolia in Ellesmere Port is so much better than the local depot here in Marchwood Your comments on London are a red herring. If there were people like you from London regularly posting on here saying how wonderful that city is compared to poor old Southampton, then there would be a response. The unfortunate fact of life is your constant presence on here with unfavourable comments on the city and region does harm to the more sensible and reasonable people on Merseyside. I suspect you might actually be a fifth columnist based in Manchester!! phil maccavity
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10:08am Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
The sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in control, Labour supported it when they came to power. It makes a loss under Labour then they blame the Tories for their miss management.

Labour destroy everything they touch, because they hate profit.

If they ran the Saints, they get rid of all the good players because they hate millionaires ( except their own), they would then have a board of 1000 well paid union people etc etc.Trust Labour to look after themselves first.
Absolutely priceless post .....
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So the sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in charge did ??
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Perhaps you can advise us all of how that happened ......
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The Tories were correctly dumped by the electorate 4 weeks after it opened !
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In that 4 weeks 90% of visitors were going in on free tickets ......
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So over to you for an explanation ...... Aldermoorboy or the alias Enid Blyton.
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Your defence of the Tories is Southampton is nothing shport of shameful
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: The sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in control, Labour supported it when they came to power. It makes a loss under Labour then they blame the Tories for their miss management. Labour destroy everything they touch, because they hate profit. If they ran the Saints, they get rid of all the good players because they hate millionaires ( except their own), they would then have a board of 1000 well paid union people etc etc.Trust Labour to look after themselves first.[/p][/quote]Absolutely priceless post ..... . So the sea museum made a profit when the Tories were in charge did ?? . Perhaps you can advise us all of how that happened ...... . The Tories were correctly dumped by the electorate 4 weeks after it opened ! . In that 4 weeks 90% of visitors were going in on free tickets ...... . . So over to you for an explanation ...... Aldermoorboy or the alias Enid Blyton. . Your defence of the Tories is Southampton is nothing shport of shameful Lone Ranger.
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11:55am Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Lone Ranger, look at the Echo today, your two top councillors( who I respect) say 70% of visits to Southampton are for the Sea Museum, it is a success if managed correctly.
You seem to hate success, 100,000 people liked it, well done Royston for trying for this town.
Labour won in 2012 because they lied ( shame on you, bad example to the young) and caused political strikes (did not one of the strike leaders stand for a Labour council position at this last election?).

Any way you enjoy the sun today and those blue Tory skies.
Lone Ranger, look at the Echo today, your two top councillors( who I respect) say 70% of visits to Southampton are for the Sea Museum, it is a success if managed correctly. You seem to hate success, 100,000 people liked it, well done Royston for trying for this town. Labour won in 2012 because they lied ( shame on you, bad example to the young) and caused political strikes (did not one of the strike leaders stand for a Labour council position at this last election?). Any way you enjoy the sun today and those blue Tory skies. aldermoorboy
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12:22pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Lone Ranger, look at the Echo today, your two top councillors( who I respect) say 70% of visits to Southampton are for the Sea Museum, it is a success if managed correctly.
You seem to hate success, 100,000 people liked it, well done Royston for trying for this town.
Labour won in 2012 because they lied ( shame on you, bad example to the young) and caused political strikes (did not one of the strike leaders stand for a Labour council position at this last election?).

Any way you enjoy the sun today and those blue Tory skies.
Once again you try and avoid the issue and go off at a tangent. .....
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You refuse to address the points raised from your post .. because they are inaccurate .... and you know it.
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Why make such claims in the first place ....... it seems that you are catching your mates knack of exagerating the truth .....
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger, look at the Echo today, your two top councillors( who I respect) say 70% of visits to Southampton are for the Sea Museum, it is a success if managed correctly. You seem to hate success, 100,000 people liked it, well done Royston for trying for this town. Labour won in 2012 because they lied ( shame on you, bad example to the young) and caused political strikes (did not one of the strike leaders stand for a Labour council position at this last election?). Any way you enjoy the sun today and those blue Tory skies.[/p][/quote]Once again you try and avoid the issue and go off at a tangent. ..... . You refuse to address the points raised from your post .. because they are inaccurate .... and you know it. . Why make such claims in the first place ....... it seems that you are catching your mates knack of exagerating the truth ..... Lone Ranger.
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12:25pm Tue 10 Jun 14

WalkingOnAWire says...

Inform Al wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.
Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem.

Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?
So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble.

Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done?
Having a life I do not spend all my time on this blog site, so have only just seen these comments. I would not have built this waste of space in the first place, although when I sat on the initial advisory committee we said if a sea city museum was to be built in Southampton it should be near the water where parking could be easily made available for the site. As usual no one listens to the people. This of course is what UKIP, as the only truly democratic political party in the UK, would have done. The future now is only improvable if grants are found to build a new one in a more appropriate place. The site would be more appropriate for a police station than the currently not easily visited site.
So in practical terms, you'd propose to
1) Seek grants to build a new one - from whom, and how much would need to be raised? Do you think that would have public support, given that the losses currently being generated by the existing museum are significant, but not insurmountable? Do you definitely not think there are potential solutions to remedy the situation with the current site?
2) Where would you situate the new museum?
3) How long would your plan take to execute? What would you do about the existing museum in the meantime?
4) how much would it cost to repurpose the current museum into the police station - where would this funding be financed from?
5) Do you know whether the Police support this proposal?
6) What would become of the current Police station?
These, and many others, are all practical and costly issues that would have to be addressed if your proposal were to be implemented. Are you sure it's really what you'd want to do if UKIP had any kind of a say?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: So Hannides wants to promote more Tory privatisation.[/p][/quote]Please tell us what UKIP's policy would be regarding the museum Alan. It's certainly a tricky problem. Incidentally, will you be standing again for UKIP at the 2015 General Election?[/p][/quote]So, just one carping comment, and so far no policy ideas here from UKIP cabdidate Mr Kebble. Am I wrong Alan? Do you have any constructive ideas about what should be done?[/p][/quote]Having a life I do not spend all my time on this blog site, so have only just seen these comments. I would not have built this waste of space in the first place, although when I sat on the initial advisory committee we said if a sea city museum was to be built in Southampton it should be near the water where parking could be easily made available for the site. As usual no one listens to the people. This of course is what UKIP, as the only truly democratic political party in the UK, would have done. The future now is only improvable if grants are found to build a new one in a more appropriate place. The site would be more appropriate for a police station than the currently not easily visited site.[/p][/quote]So in practical terms, you'd propose to 1) Seek grants to build a new one - from whom, and how much would need to be raised? Do you think that would have public support, given that the losses currently being generated by the existing museum are significant, but not insurmountable? Do you definitely not think there are potential solutions to remedy the situation with the current site? 2) Where would you situate the new museum? 3) How long would your plan take to execute? What would you do about the existing museum in the meantime? 4) how much would it cost to repurpose the current museum into the police station - where would this funding be financed from? 5) Do you know whether the Police support this proposal? 6) What would become of the current Police station? These, and many others, are all practical and costly issues that would have to be addressed if your proposal were to be implemented. Are you sure it's really what you'd want to do if UKIP had any kind of a say? WalkingOnAWire
  • Score: 2

3:17pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Shoong says...

Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..?
Hog heaven!
It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear.

I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election,

I just hope that the voters remember and remind him.
No pleasure my ar5e.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..? Hog heaven![/p][/quote]It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear. I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election, I just hope that the voters remember and remind him.[/p][/quote]No pleasure my ar5e. Shoong
  • Score: -4

3:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example). aldermoorboy
  • Score: -3

4:06pm Tue 10 Jun 14

kevinchandler100@talktalk.net says...

sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up.
[quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up. kevinchandler100@talktalk.net
  • Score: 4

5:22pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ...... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

5:24pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

kevinchandler100@tal
ktalk.net
wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up.
I went into the subsidised Woolhouse maritime museum & if you thought it encapsulated this cities maritime past try going up to Liverpool & Peel Ports Maritime museum.
The woolhouse was not big enough was /is a listed building so a waal couldn't be nocked down to build an extension & where could they have extended it?
Try looking up Night time at Museums on Google & see how councils & museums across the country have tapped into the night life to make extra revenue so why not do this at Sea City Museum?
You have the guildhall hosting shows as well as the Mayflower in easy walking distance so run a night time restaurant through private enterprise where they pay rent no matter how many people use it?
[quote][p][bold]kevinchandler100@tal ktalk.net[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up.[/p][/quote]I went into the subsidised Woolhouse maritime museum & if you thought it encapsulated this cities maritime past try going up to Liverpool & Peel Ports Maritime museum. The woolhouse was not big enough was /is a listed building so a waal couldn't be nocked down to build an extension & where could they have extended it? Try looking up Night time at Museums on Google & see how councils & museums across the country have tapped into the night life to make extra revenue so why not do this at Sea City Museum? You have the guildhall hosting shows as well as the Mayflower in easy walking distance so run a night time restaurant through private enterprise where they pay rent no matter how many people use it? loosehead
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

HillsidePaul wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum.

Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong).
You really are a Tory halfwit aren't you.

Tory Cllr John Hannidies promised the museum would be run by the private sector and not need to be bailed out by the Council (even at the time a lot of his own Cllrs didn't believe him). When, long after the building contract had been let, the Tory Council tried to find someone to run it nobody wanted to know. Leaving the incoming Labour council with a huge white elephant.

Labour in opposition predicted all of this and you can't stand the fact that our incompetent Tory mate's have been caught out.
Think you'll find out the Tories never had time to find a private operator before the gullible voters voted in Labour.
If it's as bad as you Labour supporters say it is why have two Labour councillors now publicly supported it?
So exactly who's the Labour half wit?
[quote][p][bold]HillsidePaul[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Stop paying the unions out of our council tax, let the private sector run the museum. Labour the negative party, they just hate success and they can never be trusted with money ( who was it who gave himself £500,000 to spend on his projects or have I got facts wrong).[/p][/quote]You really are a Tory halfwit aren't you. Tory Cllr John Hannidies promised the museum would be run by the private sector and not need to be bailed out by the Council (even at the time a lot of his own Cllrs didn't believe him). When, long after the building contract had been let, the Tory Council tried to find someone to run it nobody wanted to know. Leaving the incoming Labour council with a huge white elephant. Labour in opposition predicted all of this and you can't stand the fact that our incompetent Tory mate's have been caught out.[/p][/quote]Think you'll find out the Tories never had time to find a private operator before the gullible voters voted in Labour. If it's as bad as you Labour supporters say it is why have two Labour councillors now publicly supported it? So exactly who's the Labour half wit? loosehead
  • Score: -2

5:32pm Tue 10 Jun 14

George4th says...

loosehead wrote:
kevinchandler100@tal

ktalk.net
wrote:
sotonboy84 wrote:
"If it's not broke, don't try and fix it".

Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection.

Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.
I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up.
I went into the subsidised Woolhouse maritime museum & if you thought it encapsulated this cities maritime past try going up to Liverpool & Peel Ports Maritime museum.
The woolhouse was not big enough was /is a listed building so a waal couldn't be nocked down to build an extension & where could they have extended it?
Try looking up Night time at Museums on Google & see how councils & museums across the country have tapped into the night life to make extra revenue so why not do this at Sea City Museum?
You have the guildhall hosting shows as well as the Mayflower in easy walking distance so run a night time restaurant through private enterprise where they pay rent no matter how many people use it?
Oh come on Loosehead, we can't expect a Labour Council to be enterprising!

Your idea is superb!

I suspect the UNIONS might be against evening opening!
Or, they would want so much money for their members to work that it would be uneconomical!

The day a Labour Council and the Unions do something for the benefit of the citizens of the City of Southampton will be the day they no longer exist!
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]kevinchandler100@tal ktalk.net[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sotonboy84[/bold] wrote: "If it's not broke, don't try and fix it". Which is the case here. The Wool House was a perfect maritime museum, owing to its location next to the water and being one of the city's most iconic and historic buildings. The entry was free too. The old Courts could have been used as an extension to the gallery, as originally planned to give more space to our incredible art collection. Between the Conservative and Labour councils, we have lost a perfectly good maritime museum, lost the Wool House to be run as a pub, the art collection has been under threat by greedy councillors trying to sell pieces to fund their own ego's and the city is left in debt. Complete incompetence by both administrations.[/p][/quote]I totally agree there was nothing wrong with the old museum. IT also has taken money away from the local pubs/restaurants and so on.As you say leave things well alone. they mess everything up.[/p][/quote]I went into the subsidised Woolhouse maritime museum & if you thought it encapsulated this cities maritime past try going up to Liverpool & Peel Ports Maritime museum. The woolhouse was not big enough was /is a listed building so a waal couldn't be nocked down to build an extension & where could they have extended it? Try looking up Night time at Museums on Google & see how councils & museums across the country have tapped into the night life to make extra revenue so why not do this at Sea City Museum? You have the guildhall hosting shows as well as the Mayflower in easy walking distance so run a night time restaurant through private enterprise where they pay rent no matter how many people use it?[/p][/quote]Oh come on Loosehead, we can't expect a Labour Council to be enterprising! Your idea is superb! I suspect the UNIONS might be against evening opening! Or, they would want so much money for their members to work that it would be uneconomical! The day a Labour Council and the Unions do something for the benefit of the citizens of the City of Southampton will be the day they no longer exist! George4th
  • Score: -4

5:38pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Right lets look at the Sea City haters reasons for hating it.
Not near to the waters edge so a White Elephant?
Okay who owns the land next to the water? ABP? would they do a Peels Port & give other a huge chunk of land to build museums on? Doubt it.
by the city walls? Ancient ruins & listed buildings one end A park at dock gate 4 then heavily built up to the Itchen bridge so exactly where would you be able to build a Sea City Museum or any other museum?
Exactly where's the land the council owned & would cost nothing to buy?Right next to the Civic Centre? Yes so building it there was the only viable place unless ABP suddenly said we could have all the land between Town Quay & the pier & they would fill it in as long as it was for museums which will never ever happen or can't you Labour/Union supporters see that?
For as long as I can remember people of this city have been asking why Pompey can do all these things yet we stay stagnating? well here's your answer Labour & Union supporters who can't see the value of tourism in jobs & income to this city.
Right lets look at the Sea City haters reasons for hating it. Not near to the waters edge so a White Elephant? Okay who owns the land next to the water? ABP? would they do a Peels Port & give other a huge chunk of land to build museums on? Doubt it. by the city walls? Ancient ruins & listed buildings one end A park at dock gate 4 then heavily built up to the Itchen bridge so exactly where would you be able to build a Sea City Museum or any other museum? Exactly where's the land the council owned & would cost nothing to buy?Right next to the Civic Centre? Yes so building it there was the only viable place unless ABP suddenly said we could have all the land between Town Quay & the pier & they would fill it in as long as it was for museums which will never ever happen or can't you Labour/Union supporters see that? For as long as I can remember people of this city have been asking why Pompey can do all these things yet we stay stagnating? well here's your answer Labour & Union supporters who can't see the value of tourism in jobs & income to this city. loosehead
  • Score: -2

5:41pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre? loosehead
  • Score: -2

6:07pm Tue 10 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Dare I say it... an ice rink have been more profitable?!?!?!?!?
Dare I say it... an ice rink have been more profitable?!?!?!?!? 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

6:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

George4th wrote:
Grumpy San wrote:
What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all.
Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront.
Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger.
"Based at the heart of Southampton, SeaCity Museum tells the story of the people of the city, their fascinating lives and historic connections with Titanic and the sea"

Maybe folk don't want to know the seafaring history of their home City? A bit surprising given that it is a Major Port! The children who visit appreciate it even if SOME adults don't!

As one poster has already pointed out, many who criticise on here have never been!

The apathy that pervades Southampton can be summed up by the number of free SeaCity Museum tickets allocated to Southampton citizens and were not used!

On your other point. While other towns and cities like Cardiff were busily developing and modernising their waterfronts, the then Councils in Southampton were sitting on their hands!

You will only get things done when you no longer have a Labour council - Labour has a wonderful record of non-achievement in Southampton!
You do realise that the times when most people were free to go the free tickets could not be used? Most people are free to go to museums either on the weekend or during the school holidays. The free tickets could only be used Monday-Friday during term time. No wonder the number of unused free tickets was so high!
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Grumpy San[/bold] wrote: What a surprise !! There's a lot of tax payers who had no interest in the Titanic museum and didn't want it built in the first place. My family hasn't been and don't want to go as we have no interest in the Titanic at all. Like the rest of Southampton, a mish mash of buildings dotted all over the city and no decent waterfront. Even West Quay is like every other shopping centre so I don't go there either. Unless you want to get smashed every night Southampton really hasn't got a lot going for it. which is a shame cause I loved it when I was younger.[/p][/quote]"Based at the heart of Southampton, SeaCity Museum tells the story of the people of the city, their fascinating lives and historic connections with Titanic and the sea" Maybe folk don't want to know the seafaring history of their home City? A bit surprising given that it is a Major Port! The children who visit appreciate it even if SOME adults don't! As one poster has already pointed out, many who criticise on here have never been! The apathy that pervades Southampton can be summed up by the number of free SeaCity Museum tickets allocated to Southampton citizens and were not used! On your other point. While other towns and cities like Cardiff were busily developing and modernising their waterfronts, the then Councils in Southampton were sitting on their hands! You will only get things done when you no longer have a Labour council - Labour has a wonderful record of non-achievement in Southampton![/p][/quote]You do realise that the times when most people were free to go the free tickets could not be used? Most people are free to go to museums either on the weekend or during the school holidays. The free tickets could only be used Monday-Friday during term time. No wonder the number of unused free tickets was so high! 03alpe01
  • Score: 4

6:36pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
It was not a success under the Tory regime either, most entry tickets were given free to entice us to use the facility, and this did not work. Very wasteful enterprise by the TORY administration.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]It was not a success under the Tory regime either, most entry tickets were given free to entice us to use the facility, and this did not work. Very wasteful enterprise by the TORY administration. Inform Al
  • Score: 5

6:38pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it. Inform Al
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
Yes Taxpayers money was used despite the claims that it would not be.
.
Projects like yours were dumped/sold off by the Tories in search of fulfilling an ego trip ......... Now we all have to pay AGAIN
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]Yes Taxpayers money was used despite the claims that it would not be. . Projects like yours were dumped/sold off by the Tories in search of fulfilling an ego trip ......... Now we all have to pay AGAIN Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 4

7:27pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
George4th wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process!

:-)

You gotta laugh!
14:22 = -7 lol
14:50 = -9 lol
18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol
Tuesday 10th April 19:26 -25 thumbs down LMAO
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]As of 14.15hrs, may I applaud the outstanding courage of whoever has clocked me up to 6 minuses without one commenting in the process! :-) You gotta laugh![/p][/quote]14:22 = -7 lol[/p][/quote]14:50 = -9 lol[/p][/quote]18:58 .... = - 13 ..... George is not happy with all those thumbs down ... lol[/p][/quote]Tuesday 10th April 19:26 -25 thumbs down LMAO Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

7:32pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Linesman says...

Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Shoong wrote:
Linesman wrote:
At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so.

I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.
Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..?
Hog heaven!
It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear.

I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election,

I just hope that the voters remember and remind him.
No pleasure my ar5e.
Your ar5e may give pleasure to others if that is the lifestyle you choose, but I am strictly heterosexual.
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: At the time I described it as Royston Smith's pet White Elephant, and was criticised most strongly by loosehead for doing so. I note that he has not appeared on here to defend his beloved leader's decision, or to offer me an apology.[/p][/quote]Wowser! I bet your head spun when you saw the headline didn't it..? Hog heaven![/p][/quote]It gives no pleasure to be proved that I was right because it is costing the city's council tax payers very dear. I bet that Royston Smith will not be claiming credit for this financial fiasco when he is campaigning in next year's general election, I just hope that the voters remember and remind him.[/p][/quote]No pleasure my ar5e.[/p][/quote]Your ar5e may give pleasure to others if that is the lifestyle you choose, but I am strictly heterosexual. Linesman
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Linesman says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
So what cuts to services to suggest that the Labour administration make, to bail out the disaster that they have inherited from Royston Smith & Co?
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]So what cuts to services to suggest that the Labour administration make, to bail out the disaster that they have inherited from Royston Smith & Co? Linesman
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

Linesman wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
So what cuts to services to suggest that the Labour administration make, to bail out the disaster that they have inherited from Royston Smith & Co?
Get rid of all the project officers,policy officers,tiers of unnecessary managers and replace them with staff providing front line services to replace some of those lost at a fraction of the cost.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]So what cuts to services to suggest that the Labour administration make, to bail out the disaster that they have inherited from Royston Smith & Co?[/p][/quote]Get rid of all the project officers,policy officers,tiers of unnecessary managers and replace them with staff providing front line services to replace some of those lost at a fraction of the cost. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 1

9:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment loosehead
  • Score: 0

9:25pm Tue 10 Jun 14

loosehead says...

So Labour council praise Sea City Museum one Labour councillor & several Labour Party members plus A confused UKIP failed candidate say it was a waste of local tax payers money? what local tax payers money?
Half was paid for by grants the other half by selling of a dilapidated Industrial site.
Here's Labours lies "We will oppose Lidlls Warehouse" they told Millbrook residents but no they voted in favour for it so why did they lose a Millbrook seat?
So Labour council praise Sea City Museum one Labour councillor & several Labour Party members plus A confused UKIP failed candidate say it was a waste of local tax payers money? what local tax payers money? Half was paid for by grants the other half by selling of a dilapidated Industrial site. Here's Labours lies "We will oppose Lidlls Warehouse" they told Millbrook residents but no they voted in favour for it so why did they lose a Millbrook seat? loosehead
  • Score: -3

9:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

George4th wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
George4th wrote:
NOTE:-

I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process!

In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically

For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively!

This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s!

"Childish" is a word that springs to mind!

Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it!
It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow.
If you read my post correctly, it said "suddenly had lots of ='s".
I was merely pointing out this "childish" phenomena and making others aware of the crass stupidity/competitiv

e nature of some people!
(I've seen it before and not commented but today I had the urge!)

"Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow"

I think you know from my history that not a lot bothers me on here, other than a Labour council or Labour Government! I am quite proficient at it having witnessed first hand what a god awful mess they make everytime they get anywhere near "governance" - I use the word governance very lightly in Labour's case! :-)

You can't exactly hold up Labour as a role model on governance, can you?! :-)
Perhaps if you left the blame culture remarks about the Labour Party in name, and just put the facts then you would not get the thumbs down? Nobody likes politicians and politics whatever the colour of their rosettes and they stop reading the detail and just react with negatives.
[quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George4th[/bold] wrote: NOTE:- I would venture to suggest that a poster on here has found a way of manipulating the voting process! In a very short space of time, many + and - have altered dramatically For example - he/she has targeted my posts as they suddenly went from being around +3 to -6 and -10 respectively! This has happened to a number of posts as I think many of the posters will have realised! Many suddenly had lots of +'s! "Childish" is a word that springs to mind! Although I'm sure a psychiatrist would have another word for it![/p][/quote]It could just be that more people are disagreeing with you, than agree? If so you may have got something wrong in how you presented your case. Think about it. Not all are as eloquent as your good self so their only action is the thumbs down, not necessarily a conspiracy. Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow.[/p][/quote]If you read my post correctly, it said "suddenly had lots of ='s". I was merely pointing out this "childish" phenomena and making others aware of the crass stupidity/competitiv e nature of some people! (I've seen it before and not commented but today I had the urge!) "Shouldn't bother about it too much anyhow" I think you know from my history that not a lot bothers me on here, other than a Labour council or Labour Government! I am quite proficient at it having witnessed first hand what a god awful mess they make everytime they get anywhere near "governance" - I use the word governance very lightly in Labour's case! :-) You can't exactly hold up Labour as a role model on governance, can you?! :-)[/p][/quote]Perhaps if you left the blame culture remarks about the Labour Party in name, and just put the facts then you would not get the thumbs down? Nobody likes politicians and politics whatever the colour of their rosettes and they stop reading the detail and just react with negatives. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -2

12:55am Wed 11 Jun 14

southy says...

phil maccavity wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it.
2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.
Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower.
These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat
Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out
[quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done[/p][/quote]1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it. 2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.[/p][/quote]Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower. These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat[/p][/quote]Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out southy
  • Score: 1

12:59am Wed 11 Jun 14

southy says...

loosehead wrote:
So Labour council praise Sea City Museum one Labour councillor & several Labour Party members plus A confused UKIP failed candidate say it was a waste of local tax payers money? what local tax payers money?
Half was paid for by grants the other half by selling of a dilapidated Industrial site.
Here's Labours lies "We will oppose Lidlls Warehouse" they told Millbrook residents but no they voted in favour for it so why did they lose a Millbrook seat?
There was 2 seats in the Millbrook ward the full term seat was won by Labour while the short term was lost
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: So Labour council praise Sea City Museum one Labour councillor & several Labour Party members plus A confused UKIP failed candidate say it was a waste of local tax payers money? what local tax payers money? Half was paid for by grants the other half by selling of a dilapidated Industrial site. Here's Labours lies "We will oppose Lidlls Warehouse" they told Millbrook residents but no they voted in favour for it so why did they lose a Millbrook seat?[/p][/quote]There was 2 seats in the Millbrook ward the full term seat was won by Labour while the short term was lost southy
  • Score: 0

5:09am Wed 11 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Maine Lobster has an idea for making this town more efficient.
, well done.

Lets forget politics, do we want this Museum, I think most people do, so lets make it profitable. Suggest we use Loosehead's ideas.
Maine Lobster has an idea for making this town more efficient. , well done. Lets forget politics, do we want this Museum, I think most people do, so lets make it profitable. Suggest we use Loosehead's ideas. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -1

5:46am Wed 11 Jun 14

loosehead says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it.
2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.
Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower.
These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat
Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out
southy at no time did local council tax payer pay for the sea city museum so unless you can prove otherwise why are you posting lies?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done[/p][/quote]1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it. 2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.[/p][/quote]Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower. These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat[/p][/quote]Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out[/p][/quote]southy at no time did local council tax payer pay for the sea city museum so unless you can prove otherwise why are you posting lies? loosehead
  • Score: 1

8:09am Wed 11 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past. Inform Al
  • Score: 0

5:34pm Wed 11 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately? loosehead
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Wed 11 Jun 14

phil maccavity says...

southy wrote:
phil maccavity wrote:
WalkingOnAWire wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish.
portsmouth has shown the way it should be done
1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it.
2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.
Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower.
These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat
Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out
To put you straight on this Southy, the Spinnaker Tower came in well over budget at £36m.
Portsmouth City Council hoped to get it paid for from Lottery Grants.
However the project came in 5 years late and even now there remain problems with one of the external lifts
Not all the Grant money was paid out and the project eventually cost Portsmouth Taxpayers £11m which they are still paying off
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]phil maccavity[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]WalkingOnAWire[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell some art work to pay it off . i for one dont want my money wasted on this rubbish. portsmouth has shown the way it should be done[/p][/quote]1) It's a revenue problem. You don't sell assets to deal with it, you fix it. 2) Portsmouth was one of the most badly-run councils in the UK until last week. The local Labour and Conservative parties have worked together to remove the Lib Dem control and to enable a Tory minority-controlled council. This is good sensible pragmatic local politics and I expect the people of Portsmouth to benefit as a result.[/p][/quote]Don't know much about Portsmouth council but understand the locals there are still paying towards both the capital and running costs of the Spinnaker Tower. These grandiose projects never seem to fare well unless there is a ready stream of public money to keep them afloat[/p][/quote]Believe your right on locals paying for the running cost of the Spinnaker Tower but one good thing they never had to pay for it to be built like we have here in Southampton for the Sea Museum, £5 million had to be taking out of the tax payers plus another £5 million to pay for the loan that the Tory council took out[/p][/quote]To put you straight on this Southy, the Spinnaker Tower came in well over budget at £36m. Portsmouth City Council hoped to get it paid for from Lottery Grants. However the project came in 5 years late and even now there remain problems with one of the external lifts Not all the Grant money was paid out and the project eventually cost Portsmouth Taxpayers £11m which they are still paying off phil maccavity
  • Score: 0

7:27pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Maine Lobster has an idea for making this town more efficient.
, well done.

Lets forget politics, do we want this Museum, I think most people do, so lets make it profitable. Suggest we use Loosehead's ideas.
I don't think most people do want this museum,especially now it has been exposed as the utter waste of public money it was predicted by some to be.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Maine Lobster has an idea for making this town more efficient. , well done. Lets forget politics, do we want this Museum, I think most people do, so lets make it profitable. Suggest we use Loosehead's ideas.[/p][/quote]I don't think most people do want this museum,especially now it has been exposed as the utter waste of public money it was predicted by some to be. Maine Lobster
  • Score: -4

12:51pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't. Inform Al
  • Score: 0

10:12pm Thu 12 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people.
I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas.
I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it.
But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches?
I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.[/p][/quote]really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people. I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas. I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it. But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches? I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that? loosehead
  • Score: 2

8:32am Fri 13 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people.
I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas.
I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it.
But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches?
I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?
I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.[/p][/quote]really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people. I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas. I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it. But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches? I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?[/p][/quote]I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate. Inform Al
  • Score: -1

5:38pm Fri 13 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people.
I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas.
I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it.
But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches?
I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?
I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.
Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there?
Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it?
Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.[/p][/quote]really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people. I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas. I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it. But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches? I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?[/p][/quote]I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.[/p][/quote]Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there? Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it? Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not? loosehead
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5:51pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people.
I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas.
I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it.
But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches?
I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?
I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.
Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there?
Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it?
Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not?
Inventing reasons again. Swaythling is far too large an area for youngsters to safely walk from one end to the other in the evening to attend events.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.[/p][/quote]really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people. I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas. I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it. But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches? I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?[/p][/quote]I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.[/p][/quote]Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there? Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it? Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not?[/p][/quote]Inventing reasons again. Swaythling is far too large an area for youngsters to safely walk from one end to the other in the evening to attend events. Inform Al
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10:01pm Fri 13 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
loosehead wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
aldermoorboy wrote:
Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories.

One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set.

Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).
Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton.
.
I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum.
.
Your turn ......
you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?
Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.
So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie?
In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre?
Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor?
Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader?
As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life?
Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment
So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.
I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it?
I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords.
Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them?
Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down.
Been to a deprived area lately?
Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.
really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people.
I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas.
I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it.
But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches?
I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?
I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.
Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there?
Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it?
Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not?
Inventing reasons again. Swaythling is far too large an area for youngsters to safely walk from one end to the other in the evening to attend events.
Where's Lordshill community centre? How large is Lordshill?
If Swaythlings so large as is Lordshill are you saying these areas need more than one community centre?
Who would pay for them? What about areas who've never had one will they have to pay extra council tax to cover the increase of community halls in other areas?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Same old story whether it is the economy or the Sea Museum disaster under Labour/Unions, success under the Tories. One day Linesman maybe able to understand but just like Lone Ranger it is difficult to change a mind set. Labour must learn it is their responsibility to put the public first and themselves second, it is hard to change but they must stop rewarding themselves first with tax payer money ( cabinet members an example).[/p][/quote]Can you please quote the successes under the Tories in Southampton. . I can start you off at a DEFICIT of £5.5m for the Sea Museum. . Your turn ......[/p][/quote]you mean the museum that was paid for in full when the tories left office4 or the money any council would have had to raise for ongoing modernisation & repairs to the Civic Centre?[/p][/quote]Paid for in full by the administration that sold off the Swaythling Youth Centre and the Aster Road Community Centre to pay for it.[/p][/quote]So Al you are stuck in the past are you? So to you the EU shouldn't be a problem should it after all we're still in the common market aren't we? or have you moved on with life since that crazy lie? In Swaythling Cantell school runs youth clubs plus community activities so why did you & only you need a community centre? Take a look around at what this Labour council is doing & try telling us how you can justifiably say you'd rather see a Labour councillor? Farage has made it quite clear you'll be gunning for Labour votes now or don't you listen to your leader? As it was neither of the places you've mentioned paid for it or do you close your eyes when some one posts the actual way the money was raised because it doesn't fit your warped out look on life? Try looking at the cost in repair & modernisation Millbrook Industrial estate would have cost this city then see how £5million was put into front line services & £5million was used to pay for the Sea City Museum & this Labour council are now reaping the rewards of selling it with increased business rates from ner companies going straight to the council so NO the two places you mentioned weren't in any way involved in that payment[/p][/quote]So stuck in the past that I recognise that we have had good Tory and Labour governments in the past. But I live in a real world and am not a political donkey so will not blindly follow any party. The Tories decimated Swaythling last time around and that is recent history, not the past.[/p][/quote]I did a post round in Swaythling so exactly where did the Tories decimate it? I noticed a lot of homes are now rental(private) so the only ones to decimate it are those who sold their houses to landlords. Also a lot of properties were sold to the Uni so exactly who sold them? Talking to the people who lived there I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't welcomed as they took pride in their area but you keep running it down. Been to a deprived area lately?[/p][/quote]Do you know of any Tory parts of Southampton that lost all their community centres under the Tory administration? There isn't.[/p][/quote]really? I know of a Tory area that's now a Labour area where Moulton fought with the help of other parties to save a playing field (civil service ground) for the local people. I know of an area where the Tory council helped get a grant to have St James Park done up & made safe for the people of two council areas. I know of community halls/facilities shut by Labour but never hear you bang on about it. But I also know most churches are more than willing to open up to communities & run youth clubs so why aren't the people of Swaythling contacting their churches? I know of a school called Cantell that's open to community events yet you fail to mention that?[/p][/quote]I also know that at the time the Tories were selling off ALL of our community assets, Roystons bit of Southampton got a brand new community centre. I am also aware that some of our ethnically diverse residents in Swaythling are not happy with meeting in St Alban's church, just as I would not wish to use buildings belonging to other religions to meet. Yes Cantell school does provide for some community events, but it borders Bassett and therefor not suitable for youngster to attend in the evenings from most of the Estate.[/p][/quote]Isn't the Mosque in Town there for all people? If not Christian why not go there? Why isn't it suitable for Swaythling youngsters to go to Cantell school community events when most go to that school? what's it got to do with Basset being near it? Are you saying Basset doesn't want Swaythling youths near them? & if you are why not?[/p][/quote]Inventing reasons again. Swaythling is far too large an area for youngsters to safely walk from one end to the other in the evening to attend events.[/p][/quote]Where's Lordshill community centre? How large is Lordshill? If Swaythlings so large as is Lordshill are you saying these areas need more than one community centre? Who would pay for them? What about areas who've never had one will they have to pay extra council tax to cover the increase of community halls in other areas? loosehead
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8:07pm Sat 14 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories.
Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories. Inform Al
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9:04pm Sat 14 Jun 14

loosehead says...

Inform Al wrote:
Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories.
So will all the youngsters from the whole Lordshill estate be able to use the school youth club safely?
will parents allow them to walk that far from their homes say in Lower Brownhill rd?
If they will why can't Swaythling youth go to Cantell?
Why is it the Tories fault if it's not safe for them but it's safe for Lordshill youth?
Most youngsters use Oasis academy youth facilities tell me what there is for teenagers in the community hall?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories.[/p][/quote]So will all the youngsters from the whole Lordshill estate be able to use the school youth club safely? will parents allow them to walk that far from their homes say in Lower Brownhill rd? If they will why can't Swaythling youth go to Cantell? Why is it the Tories fault if it's not safe for them but it's safe for Lordshill youth? Most youngsters use Oasis academy youth facilities tell me what there is for teenagers in the community hall? loosehead
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6:49pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Inform Al says...

loosehead wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories.
So will all the youngsters from the whole Lordshill estate be able to use the school youth club safely?
will parents allow them to walk that far from their homes say in Lower Brownhill rd?
If they will why can't Swaythling youth go to Cantell?
Why is it the Tories fault if it's not safe for them but it's safe for Lordshill youth?
Most youngsters use Oasis academy youth facilities tell me what there is for teenagers in the community hall?
You are disingenuously avoiding the point, I agree that more facilities across the city would be a good idea, but the cost at present is not affordable. The point about the Swaythling issue is that we had the facilities until the Tories sold them off while at the same time building a brand new one on a Tory ward. Selfish bassas.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: Lordshill Community Centre is opposite Sainsbury's and will probably be moving soon to the Oaklands site. This will not be costing as the land it is currently on will be used for housing. Personally I think the association covers too large an area but obviously there cannot be a move to more such centres until the nations finances are a bit better. But that was not the point, it was the Tories removal of the community assets in Swaythling whilst building a new one on Roystons ward that was the issue. Obviously now we will have to wait ourselves until the finances are better thanks to the self serving Tories.[/p][/quote]So will all the youngsters from the whole Lordshill estate be able to use the school youth club safely? will parents allow them to walk that far from their homes say in Lower Brownhill rd? If they will why can't Swaythling youth go to Cantell? Why is it the Tories fault if it's not safe for them but it's safe for Lordshill youth? Most youngsters use Oasis academy youth facilities tell me what there is for teenagers in the community hall?[/p][/quote]You are disingenuously avoiding the point, I agree that more facilities across the city would be a good idea, but the cost at present is not affordable. The point about the Swaythling issue is that we had the facilities until the Tories sold them off while at the same time building a brand new one on a Tory ward. Selfish bassas. Inform Al
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forest tony says...

Never even heard of it, so simply, its an appalling case of bad marketing!
Never even heard of it, so simply, its an appalling case of bad marketing! forest tony
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