Hampshire frontline fire services under threat as bosses try to cut £12m from budget

Firefighter jobs under threat for first time in £12m budget black hole

Firefighter jobs under threat for first time in £12m budget black hole

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FRONTLINE fire services in Hampshire are under threat for the first time as bosses bid to plug a £12million budget black hole, the Daily Echo can reveal.

Bosses have launched a review in a bid to plug a £12million budget black hole, the Daily Echo can reveal.

Firefighter jobs, fire stations and equipment – including fire engines – are all in the sights of a radical root and branch review which will herald some of the biggest round of cuts Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service has ever faced.

Downsizing fire trucks is among options currently being explored.

Union leaders have warned that public and crew safety could be put at risk by cuts.

Hampshire Fire Authority boss Cllr Royston Smith has vowed no station will close and frontline service quality would be maintained – but when asked whether jobs would be lost he did not deny it.

He said: “To close the gap we will look at the options which will make sure that Hampshire communities are as safe as they are now and if not safer – for the best possible value.”

Daily Echo: Tory deputy leader Royston Smith

Cllr Royston Smith

The review comes as the Government forecast to slash their grant by £9.9million by 2017 which has opened up a huge hole of £12million in the budget.

More than £7million can be saved by a range of measures already under way, including merging back office functions with Hampshire police and the county council.

But with £5million of savings still needed, bosses are considering making huge savings from its fire service operations.

Dave Curry, Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service’s director of service delivery, said: “The aim of this review will be to focus our resources in the area of greatest risk and deliver the best value services to the public.

“This review will encompass all aspects of the service’s work, from the response we provide to incidents, to our work in improving people’s safety in their homes, work places and communities.

“While this review is only just under way, it is likely to lead to changes in the way we deliver our services in the future and so our staff and our communities will be fully consulted over any proposals.”

Staff affected by the review will be consulted in the coming months, while a public consultation exercise will be carried out in the autumn, with the cuts made from next year.

Daily Echo:

Peter Bates, of Hampshire Fire Brigade Union which represents about 700 uniformed staff in the county, said: “We are concerned about austerity measures that are being imposed nationally. These have reached Hampshire on a local level.

“We will be looking at this from multiple angles – one is the safety of the public and our members’ jobs and safety which could be compromised by crew levels.

“My concern now would be if there’s a lot of money to be saved that we have now cut all the meat to the bone without looking at reducing engines or personnel.

“We have made efficiency savings already and fire stations are more often or not running on minimal levels of crew and we would be concerned if those levels reduced any lower.”

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11:08am Sat 12 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

Sadly much like the Police and Ambulance service these cuts were coming, in these much safer times of central heating, safer vehicles etc we do not need such a large fire service. Vehicles should be run longer, 'IT', transport and uniform department should become national rather than each county replicating it 50 times.

the union represents 700 uniformed staff, huge sums when combined with the hundreds on full pensions as well for 30 years or so.

Care and consideration needs to be taken here but savings must be made, the fire service is no more important thanvthe Police but not many firefighters will agree.

wait for it................ ..
Sadly much like the Police and Ambulance service these cuts were coming, in these much safer times of central heating, safer vehicles etc we do not need such a large fire service. Vehicles should be run longer, 'IT', transport and uniform department should become national rather than each county replicating it 50 times. the union represents 700 uniformed staff, huge sums when combined with the hundreds on full pensions as well for 30 years or so. Care and consideration needs to be taken here but savings must be made, the fire service is no more important thanvthe Police but not many firefighters will agree. wait for it................ .. issacchunt
  • Score: -10

11:22am Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

issacchunt wrote:
Sadly much like the Police and Ambulance service these cuts were coming, in these much safer times of central heating, safer vehicles etc we do not need such a large fire service. Vehicles should be run longer, 'IT', transport and uniform department should become national rather than each county replicating it 50 times.

the union represents 700 uniformed staff, huge sums when combined with the hundreds on full pensions as well for 30 years or so.

Care and consideration needs to be taken here but savings must be made, the fire service is no more important thanvthe Police but not many firefighters will agree.

wait for it................ ..
" Savings must be made" ......... Which sounds great .......... Unless of course its your house on fire with you family inside, or its you trapped inside your car ............ or for anyone else for that matter.
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As proven with the police and the NHS ...... there MUST be some areas exempt from cuts ....... the Emergency Services is one of them
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Sadly much like the Police and Ambulance service these cuts were coming, in these much safer times of central heating, safer vehicles etc we do not need such a large fire service. Vehicles should be run longer, 'IT', transport and uniform department should become national rather than each county replicating it 50 times. the union represents 700 uniformed staff, huge sums when combined with the hundreds on full pensions as well for 30 years or so. Care and consideration needs to be taken here but savings must be made, the fire service is no more important thanvthe Police but not many firefighters will agree. wait for it................ ..[/p][/quote]" Savings must be made" ......... Which sounds great .......... Unless of course its your house on fire with you family inside, or its you trapped inside your car ............ or for anyone else for that matter. . As proven with the police and the NHS ...... there MUST be some areas exempt from cuts ....... the Emergency Services is one of them Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 11

11:53am Sat 12 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous.

The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient.

700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job.
Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous. The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient. 700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job. issacchunt
  • Score: -15

12:21pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Bagamn says...

Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses. Bagamn
  • Score: 8

12:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

southy says...

Bagamn wrote:
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also
[quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.[/p][/quote]I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also southy
  • Score: 4

1:01pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

issacchunt wrote:
Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous.

The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient.

700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job.
Well i am delighted that you were not disappointed with your wait ......
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The house comment is not ridiculous as you put it ......... yes the engines will still arrive ....... but how long will they take.
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In actual fact i am disappointed that it is you who are the binkered one .....
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You obviouslt have inside information as to how the fire service operates on how it will be modernised and made more efficient ....... perhaps you can share this with us ??
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Perhaps you can also show where the "managers" run run the engines when its quiet as well
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous. The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient. 700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job.[/p][/quote]Well i am delighted that you were not disappointed with your wait ...... . The house comment is not ridiculous as you put it ......... yes the engines will still arrive ....... but how long will they take. . In actual fact i am disappointed that it is you who are the binkered one ..... . You obviouslt have inside information as to how the fire service operates on how it will be modernised and made more efficient ....... perhaps you can share this with us ?? . Perhaps you can also show where the "managers" run run the engines when its quiet as well Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 7

1:26pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Superior Being says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous.

The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient.

700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job.
Well i am delighted that you were not disappointed with your wait ......
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The house comment is not ridiculous as you put it ......... yes the engines will still arrive ....... but how long will they take.
.
In actual fact i am disappointed that it is you who are the binkered one .....
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You obviouslt have inside information as to how the fire service operates on how it will be modernised and made more efficient ....... perhaps you can share this with us ??
.
Perhaps you can also show where the "managers" run run the engines when its quiet as well
I agree..............i
ssachunt where do these facts come from that the "managers" by that I assume you mean the workers on control, as thats who sorts out the response.

People can wait for up to 2 hours for an ambulance...........
.luckily this is not the case for the fire service, why would you be happy to let any incident go on for longer than it needs to, just because 1 person in their ivory tower decided it would look good on their CV if they'd made the governent save million, not caring on the risk to the public or firefighters themselves.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Thats what I was waiting for, a typical blinkered niave view. Even you can see as a society we do not need the fire service in the numbers we have now, the house fire comment is ridiculous. The engines will still arrive and no one will be endangered but you and the unions will run the ultimate scare stories. Modernisation comes to us all and righty the fire service will be modernised and be made more efficient. 700 uniformed union members in one county??? Let see some figures on the call outs, often the managers run engines from all over just to give a quite station a job.[/p][/quote]Well i am delighted that you were not disappointed with your wait ...... . The house comment is not ridiculous as you put it ......... yes the engines will still arrive ....... but how long will they take. . In actual fact i am disappointed that it is you who are the binkered one ..... . You obviouslt have inside information as to how the fire service operates on how it will be modernised and made more efficient ....... perhaps you can share this with us ?? . Perhaps you can also show where the "managers" run run the engines when its quiet as well[/p][/quote]I agree..............i ssachunt where do these facts come from that the "managers" by that I assume you mean the workers on control, as thats who sorts out the response. People can wait for up to 2 hours for an ambulance........... .luckily this is not the case for the fire service, why would you be happy to let any incident go on for longer than it needs to, just because 1 person in their ivory tower decided it would look good on their CV if they'd made the governent save million, not caring on the risk to the public or firefighters themselves. Superior Being
  • Score: 6

3:24pm Sat 12 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh
atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine.

it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions.
Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine. it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions. issacchunt
  • Score: -13

3:58pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Lone Ranger. says...

issacchunt wrote:
Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh

atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine.

it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions.
No one said you wait 2 hours for an engine.
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Who's arguing ....... and its YOU that emotional no one else.
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No one mentioned gold plated pensions.
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We are just waiting to see what inside information you that you base YOUR argument on
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine. it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions.[/p][/quote]No one said you wait 2 hours for an engine. . Who's arguing ....... and its YOU that emotional no one else. . No one mentioned gold plated pensions. . We are just waiting to see what inside information you that you base YOUR argument on Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 5

4:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Under the excuses of money shortage and making Fire and Rescue Service (Fire Brigade in old lingo) more efficent the establishment under all kinds of political parties has kept on cutting FRS's resources for a long time.

The vultures have eaten all the meat and now scavengers led by likes of Cllr. Smith have started to go after whatever is left of the bones.

With population going up and more properties and many more over occupied than before, plus increasing traffic on the roads etc demands on Fire Service will increase, so decreasing human resources and equipment doesn't make any sense.

Hats off to Lone Ranger for trying to stay calm while making a valid point, so trying very hard to follow his good example, I will only say hope those who are cheer leaders of even more cuts and their loved ones won't ever need the help from Fire Fighters, and as usual Fire Fighters will try their best to save them from being roasted. Because if I was doing that job, it will be difficult not to remind them that they should get what they deserve.

Rather than wasting massive sums on either encouraging problems in other nations to topple their governments or bombing the hell out of other countries for putting puppets of big businesses into power so that they may exploit the resources of those nations, the central government should be made to contribute towards maintaining proper services, of which Fire and Rescue Service is an important part.

Doing away with contributing millions every day to parasitical EU alone can create enough money for FRS and some other services as well.
Under the excuses of money shortage and making Fire and Rescue Service (Fire Brigade in old lingo) more efficent the establishment under all kinds of political parties has kept on cutting FRS's resources for a long time. The vultures have eaten all the meat and now scavengers led by likes of Cllr. Smith have started to go after whatever is left of the bones. With population going up and more properties and many more over occupied than before, plus increasing traffic on the roads etc demands on Fire Service will increase, so decreasing human resources and equipment doesn't make any sense. Hats off to Lone Ranger for trying to stay calm while making a valid point, so trying very hard to follow his good example, I will only say hope those who are cheer leaders of even more cuts and their loved ones won't ever need the help from Fire Fighters, and as usual Fire Fighters will try their best to save them from being roasted. Because if I was doing that job, it will be difficult not to remind them that they should get what they deserve. Rather than wasting massive sums on either encouraging problems in other nations to topple their governments or bombing the hell out of other countries for putting puppets of big businesses into power so that they may exploit the resources of those nations, the central government should be made to contribute towards maintaining proper services, of which Fire and Rescue Service is an important part. Doing away with contributing millions every day to parasitical EU alone can create enough money for FRS and some other services as well. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 12

7:30pm Sat 12 Apr 14

issacchunt says...

Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public.

People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'.
Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public. People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'. issacchunt
  • Score: -3

8:46pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Superior Being says...

issacchunt wrote:
Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh

atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine.

it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions.
You honestly just have no idea. You have no hard facts. Drop into any whole time fire station, ask it sit down and chat to them about it. but you won't do this, because then there is a chance that you are wrong.

Life is about facts.........not you deciding the pensions are gold plated. Do you have any idea how much money is put in each month from a fire fighters salary?

..........oh but you know what you are right about one thing, fires are a lot more rare these days, however the RTC's, floods, animal rescues, lift rescues, automatic fire alarms, people locked in or out of vehicles or homes, hazardous material incidents are all still there as well as the fires...........stop believing what you see on tv from Londons burning.
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Managers, controllers, supervisors.......wh atever. I've lived to decent age without myself or anyone i know experiencing a fire. They are rare and we,ll never wait 2 hours for an engine. it is impossible to argue with emotional people like yourselves, savings should and will be made but it important cuts are well thought out and they do not comprimise safety. The gold plated pensions are a drain on the service as well, you can't have it all ways. I don't want my council tax going up to allow people to keep redundent positions.[/p][/quote]You honestly just have no idea. You have no hard facts. Drop into any whole time fire station, ask it sit down and chat to them about it. but you won't do this, because then there is a chance that you are wrong. Life is about facts.........not you deciding the pensions are gold plated. Do you have any idea how much money is put in each month from a fire fighters salary? ..........oh but you know what you are right about one thing, fires are a lot more rare these days, however the RTC's, floods, animal rescues, lift rescues, automatic fire alarms, people locked in or out of vehicles or homes, hazardous material incidents are all still there as well as the fires...........stop believing what you see on tv from Londons burning. Superior Being
  • Score: 6

10:19pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

issacchunt wrote:
Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public.

People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'.
I only came to know June Bridle when she was first elected to the Council, till then I knew absolutely nothing about her right wing opportunist full of ego politics, but stopped completely trusting her after a while when she tried to speak highly of Freemasons and ended up telling me that her husband is one.

So please feel free to insult me if it makes you feel better but kindly do not associate me with June Bridle or John Arnold and others of their ilk. I may always oppose Tories but do know what they are all about, which in democracy they have right to have their own views. But I can never find what these NuLabourites stand for.

Regarding funds for local services, problem is caused by tight fisted government in London, Mrs Thatcher onwards all of them have kept on tightening the financial screw of local authorities, and I like many have always argued to confront the real culprits and secure sufficient funding for proper services.

I do not share your view that there is no money, or even there to be a shortage. If about £50 millions can be found every day, for the coffers of the EU they can spare little bit for local services. Brown was was able shamelessly boast that there was no shortage of cash for illegal and immoral Iraq War, and bragged about having earmarked mind boggling sums he was making available for destroying that nation. How come he was able to find billions for bankers if there was shortage of money.

Now arrogant out of touch Posh lad Osborne like Brown can also find money for killing people in other countries, as in Libya, and can find millions for slush funds to help private enterprise so they may sell killing machine to countries like Inida; obviously under the plausible heading of foreign aid to the nation where corruption is rife and which not only gives out foreign aid but also has nuclear and space programme.

Where does the millions come from for donating to Pakistan, where corrupt regime can book nine month old child for attempted murder and government specialises in exporting terrorism?

If there is no money where do they find millions for big corporations, (often foreign owned) as grants under various excuses?

Rather than locking up those behind terrorism Dodgy Denham started wasting millions every year on so called prevent strategy, and ConDem Coaltion has continued doing the same.

Where did Osborne find money for reducing the top rate of income tax for exceptionally rich? And why billions were handed over to Euro Zone nations who'd made a mess of their own economy? There may not be any money but Cameron still wants to help new regime of Ukraine which strangely contains plenty of Neo Nazis fascists and other thugs.

Haven't you listened to Osborne's speech in USA regarding how well Britain is doing?

Yes it is doing exceptionally well for the well connected and the super rich, so I should be forgiven for asking why can't Fire and Rescue Service along with other essential services share bit of that prosperity and keep on saving human lives?
[quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public. People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'.[/p][/quote]I only came to know June Bridle when she was first elected to the Council, till then I knew absolutely nothing about her right wing opportunist full of ego politics, but stopped completely trusting her after a while when she tried to speak highly of Freemasons and ended up telling me that her husband is one. So please feel free to insult me if it makes you feel better but kindly do not associate me with June Bridle or John Arnold and others of their ilk. I may always oppose Tories but do know what they are all about, which in democracy they have right to have their own views. But I can never find what these NuLabourites stand for. Regarding funds for local services, problem is caused by tight fisted government in London, Mrs Thatcher onwards all of them have kept on tightening the financial screw of local authorities, and I like many have always argued to confront the real culprits and secure sufficient funding for proper services. I do not share your view that there is no money, or even there to be a shortage. If about £50 millions can be found every day, for the coffers of the EU they can spare little bit for local services. Brown was was able shamelessly boast that there was no shortage of cash for illegal and immoral Iraq War, and bragged about having earmarked mind boggling sums he was making available for destroying that nation. How come he was able to find billions for bankers if there was shortage of money. Now arrogant out of touch Posh lad Osborne like Brown can also find money for killing people in other countries, as in Libya, and can find millions for slush funds to help private enterprise so they may sell killing machine to countries like Inida; obviously under the plausible heading of foreign aid to the nation where corruption is rife and which not only gives out foreign aid but also has nuclear and space programme. Where does the millions come from for donating to Pakistan, where corrupt regime can book nine month old child for attempted murder and government specialises in exporting terrorism? If there is no money where do they find millions for big corporations, (often foreign owned) as grants under various excuses? Rather than locking up those behind terrorism Dodgy Denham started wasting millions every year on so called prevent strategy, and ConDem Coaltion has continued doing the same. Where did Osborne find money for reducing the top rate of income tax for exceptionally rich? And why billions were handed over to Euro Zone nations who'd made a mess of their own economy? There may not be any money but Cameron still wants to help new regime of Ukraine which strangely contains plenty of Neo Nazis fascists and other thugs. Haven't you listened to Osborne's speech in USA regarding how well Britain is doing? Yes it is doing exceptionally well for the well connected and the super rich, so I should be forgiven for asking why can't Fire and Rescue Service along with other essential services share bit of that prosperity and keep on saving human lives? Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 3

7:11am Sun 13 Apr 14

SotonGreen says...

I'd be happy to pay a bit more council tax if it avoided the cuts. Why hasn't that been considered ?
I'd be happy to pay a bit more council tax if it avoided the cuts. Why hasn't that been considered ? SotonGreen
  • Score: 4

8:46am Sun 13 Apr 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

southy wrote:
Bagamn wrote:
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also
It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es).

Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot.

Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.[/p][/quote]I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also[/p][/quote]It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es). Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot. Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 3

8:47am Sun 13 Apr 14

Bobs Your Uncle ? says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
issacchunt wrote:
Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public.

People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'.
I only came to know June Bridle when she was first elected to the Council, till then I knew absolutely nothing about her right wing opportunist full of ego politics, but stopped completely trusting her after a while when she tried to speak highly of Freemasons and ended up telling me that her husband is one.

So please feel free to insult me if it makes you feel better but kindly do not associate me with June Bridle or John Arnold and others of their ilk. I may always oppose Tories but do know what they are all about, which in democracy they have right to have their own views. But I can never find what these NuLabourites stand for.

Regarding funds for local services, problem is caused by tight fisted government in London, Mrs Thatcher onwards all of them have kept on tightening the financial screw of local authorities, and I like many have always argued to confront the real culprits and secure sufficient funding for proper services.

I do not share your view that there is no money, or even there to be a shortage. If about £50 millions can be found every day, for the coffers of the EU they can spare little bit for local services. Brown was was able shamelessly boast that there was no shortage of cash for illegal and immoral Iraq War, and bragged about having earmarked mind boggling sums he was making available for destroying that nation. How come he was able to find billions for bankers if there was shortage of money.

Now arrogant out of touch Posh lad Osborne like Brown can also find money for killing people in other countries, as in Libya, and can find millions for slush funds to help private enterprise so they may sell killing machine to countries like Inida; obviously under the plausible heading of foreign aid to the nation where corruption is rife and which not only gives out foreign aid but also has nuclear and space programme.

Where does the millions come from for donating to Pakistan, where corrupt regime can book nine month old child for attempted murder and government specialises in exporting terrorism?

If there is no money where do they find millions for big corporations, (often foreign owned) as grants under various excuses?

Rather than locking up those behind terrorism Dodgy Denham started wasting millions every year on so called prevent strategy, and ConDem Coaltion has continued doing the same.

Where did Osborne find money for reducing the top rate of income tax for exceptionally rich? And why billions were handed over to Euro Zone nations who'd made a mess of their own economy? There may not be any money but Cameron still wants to help new regime of Ukraine which strangely contains plenty of Neo Nazis fascists and other thugs.

Haven't you listened to Osborne's speech in USA regarding how well Britain is doing?

Yes it is doing exceptionally well for the well connected and the super rich, so I should be forgiven for asking why can't Fire and Rescue Service along with other essential services share bit of that prosperity and keep on saving human lives?
they only have money for what benefits them , rest of the country is becoming a turgid hellhole , mugabeland.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]issacchunt[/bold] wrote: Cuts are coming, better to be open minded and work together to make the correct cuts rather than a predictable fire service strike endangering the public. People frown on cuts but say nothing when the whole service stops for a strike, Parmi Bahia-you're right about the EU but much like June Bridles Labour administrations 16% council tax increases what did you to do to stop it. We have no money for many ressons, the issue is 'there is no money'.[/p][/quote]I only came to know June Bridle when she was first elected to the Council, till then I knew absolutely nothing about her right wing opportunist full of ego politics, but stopped completely trusting her after a while when she tried to speak highly of Freemasons and ended up telling me that her husband is one. So please feel free to insult me if it makes you feel better but kindly do not associate me with June Bridle or John Arnold and others of their ilk. I may always oppose Tories but do know what they are all about, which in democracy they have right to have their own views. But I can never find what these NuLabourites stand for. Regarding funds for local services, problem is caused by tight fisted government in London, Mrs Thatcher onwards all of them have kept on tightening the financial screw of local authorities, and I like many have always argued to confront the real culprits and secure sufficient funding for proper services. I do not share your view that there is no money, or even there to be a shortage. If about £50 millions can be found every day, for the coffers of the EU they can spare little bit for local services. Brown was was able shamelessly boast that there was no shortage of cash for illegal and immoral Iraq War, and bragged about having earmarked mind boggling sums he was making available for destroying that nation. How come he was able to find billions for bankers if there was shortage of money. Now arrogant out of touch Posh lad Osborne like Brown can also find money for killing people in other countries, as in Libya, and can find millions for slush funds to help private enterprise so they may sell killing machine to countries like Inida; obviously under the plausible heading of foreign aid to the nation where corruption is rife and which not only gives out foreign aid but also has nuclear and space programme. Where does the millions come from for donating to Pakistan, where corrupt regime can book nine month old child for attempted murder and government specialises in exporting terrorism? If there is no money where do they find millions for big corporations, (often foreign owned) as grants under various excuses? Rather than locking up those behind terrorism Dodgy Denham started wasting millions every year on so called prevent strategy, and ConDem Coaltion has continued doing the same. Where did Osborne find money for reducing the top rate of income tax for exceptionally rich? And why billions were handed over to Euro Zone nations who'd made a mess of their own economy? There may not be any money but Cameron still wants to help new regime of Ukraine which strangely contains plenty of Neo Nazis fascists and other thugs. Haven't you listened to Osborne's speech in USA regarding how well Britain is doing? Yes it is doing exceptionally well for the well connected and the super rich, so I should be forgiven for asking why can't Fire and Rescue Service along with other essential services share bit of that prosperity and keep on saving human lives?[/p][/quote]they only have money for what benefits them , rest of the country is becoming a turgid hellhole , mugabeland. Bobs Your Uncle ?
  • Score: 4

12:00pm Sun 13 Apr 14

southy says...

FoysCornerBoy wrote:
southy wrote:
Bagamn wrote:
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also
It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es).

Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot.

Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.
Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control
[quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.[/p][/quote]I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also[/p][/quote]It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es). Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot. Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.[/p][/quote]Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control southy
  • Score: 0

2:58pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Shoong says...

southy wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
southy wrote:
Bagamn wrote:
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also
It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es).

Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot.

Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.
Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control
'Control'...
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.[/p][/quote]I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also[/p][/quote]It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es). Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot. Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.[/p][/quote]Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control[/p][/quote]'Control'... Shoong
  • Score: -1

10:49am Mon 14 Apr 14

southy says...

Shoong wrote:
southy wrote:
FoysCornerBoy wrote:
southy wrote:
Bagamn wrote:
Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.
I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also
It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es).

Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot.

Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.
Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control
'Control'...
Yes in control of local and national government as the TUSC stands for the majority and never the few
[quote][p][bold]Shoong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FoysCornerBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bagamn[/bold] wrote: Why do we need a Fire Authority? it's the same as the Police Authority. Get rid of these Councillors and their expenses and save everyone a lot of money. Just sitting around gassing by these Authorities does not warrant the cost of their expenses.[/p][/quote]I agree sitting of these boards for 1 day in a mth for a few hours just talking is costing us a lot, ask Smithy how much he gets paid for sitting on the Fire board its equal to what most can earn working a 60 hour week for a year, and then ask him how much he gets for sitting on the Docks Board also[/p][/quote]It may be worth reflecting on the £18,000 Cllr. Royston 'citizen' Smith receives each year for chairing the Hampshire Fire Authority. This comes on top of the £11,000 annual 'allowance' he receives as a Southampton City Councillor boosted by a modest £8,000 p.a. as leader of the Conservative group. The total annual remuneration package totals £37,000 p.a. which comes on top of any earnings he makes from his private business(es). Of course this pales in comparison to the £60,000 + that the Lib Dem Keith House trousers each year in his various civic guises as leader of both Eastleigh Borough Council and the Lib Dem group at Hampshire County Council plus membership of a few other local authority committees to boot. Local people should remember this when the Conservatives and others start to bang the drum for reducing the number of councillors and cabinet members in order to save relatively small sums of money. Perhaps we should first look first at the money routinely dished out to local councillors and reassure ourselves that we are getting good value for this.[/p][/quote]Well the answer could lay in the TUSC in control[/p][/quote]'Control'...[/p][/quote]Yes in control of local and national government as the TUSC stands for the majority and never the few southy
  • Score: 0

10:51am Mon 14 Apr 14

southy says...

SotonGreen wrote:
I'd be happy to pay a bit more council tax if it avoided the cuts. Why hasn't that been considered ?
most people would, its only the few that will not those who allowed greed to rule there lifes
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: I'd be happy to pay a bit more council tax if it avoided the cuts. Why hasn't that been considered ?[/p][/quote]most people would, its only the few that will not those who allowed greed to rule there lifes southy
  • Score: 1

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