Charity plan for Southampton museums and galleries

The SeaCity Museum

The SeaCity Museum

First published in News Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Political reporter

SOUTHAMPTON’s museums and city art galleries could become a charitable trust in a bid to save money.

Civic chiefs are considering the move after it was revealed the city’s taxpayers have been left with a £430,000 bill to prop up the SeaCity Museum.

It opened in 2012, and despite a good first year when 143,000 people visited the maritime museum, visitor numbers dropped to around 100,000 in its second year.

The museum, opened to coincide with the anniversary of the sinking of the Titanic, is currently running at a loss and the council has funded it to the tune of £430,000 over the past two years.

The Labour-run council’s finances and leisure chief, Stephen Barnes-Andrews, said: “While it is disappointing that the numbers were not stronger in our second year, it is not unusual for major attractions to see a drop-off during this period. “Running a modern and engaging museum costs money, but this has to be weighed against the benefits of attracting visitors to the city who in turn help to boost the local economy. “Recent survey results showed us that 70 per cent of respondents stated their primary reason for visiting Southampton that day was to visit SeaCity Museum. “Promoting the museum to the public and attracting the visitor numbers we would like to have is challenging in very competitive market.”

He said the museum’s marketing strategy may be revised to reach out to a wider audience.

And council leader Simon Letts said the museum could become part of a new charitable trust, along with the Tudor House museum and City Art Gallery.

He said the move, which could materialise over the next 18 months, could see the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body, while up to £250,000 a year could be raised through Gift Aid.

He added: “If you bring those two elements together you will pretty much close the gap. We’ve been told that having a private company operate it would require a fee that could be as large as the amount we are currently paying.”

But Conservative opposition finance spokesman John Hannides, leisure chief when SeaCity opened, has urged Labour to look at outsourcing the museum.

He said: “We don’t want this to become a downward spiral for the museum.

“I want the council to look at outsourcing the management of the museum and to bring in specialist experts with a track record in running major attractions.

“It is a very competitive marketplace and there are more attractions opening, and if we don’t go for a more ambitious approach we may lag behind.”

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10:39am Tue 10 Jun 14

From the sidelines says...

So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance.

I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes.
So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance. I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes. From the sidelines
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11:16am Tue 10 Jun 14

southy says...

From the sidelines wrote:
So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance.

I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes.
Labour is not on the Left, it's been a Right Wing Party now for nearly 30 years
[quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance. I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes.[/p][/quote]Labour is not on the Left, it's been a Right Wing Party now for nearly 30 years southy
  • Score: -3

11:40am Tue 10 Jun 14

skeptik says...

Agreed - the conservatives turned left and labour turned right the Libs are still going around the roundabout - usually the wrong way around.
Agreed - the conservatives turned left and labour turned right the Libs are still going around the roundabout - usually the wrong way around. skeptik
  • Score: 1

12:02pm Tue 10 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

I find the survey results a little far-fetched. Was this survey carried out outside the Sea City museum perhaps? I don't believe for a moment that a cross section of visitors to Southampton were surveyed (as would be the case for any fair survey) and 70% of them came to Southampton to visit this place. If that was the case and 70% of all visitors to the city went to the museum, it wouldn't be running at a loss.

And, the DE reporting is not accurate and slightly misleading. The story suggest the Council are considering the move to charitable trusts in response to the Sea City museum running at a loss. This potential move has been in the pipeline for many months and I was made aware of it by the Council in November 2013.
I find the survey results a little far-fetched. Was this survey carried out outside the Sea City museum perhaps? I don't believe for a moment that a cross section of visitors to Southampton were surveyed (as would be the case for any fair survey) and 70% of them came to Southampton to visit this place. If that was the case and 70% of all visitors to the city went to the museum, it wouldn't be running at a loss. And, the DE reporting is not accurate and slightly misleading. The story suggest the Council are considering the move to charitable trusts in response to the Sea City museum running at a loss. This potential move has been in the pipeline for many months and I was made aware of it by the Council in November 2013. sotonboy84
  • Score: 3

2:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

soton_resident says...

" .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body."

I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there.

My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre!

The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.
" .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body." I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there. My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre! The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton. soton_resident
  • Score: 0

2:35pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

soton_resident wrote:
" .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body."

I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there.

My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre!

The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.
As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ...
[quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: " .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body." I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there. My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre! The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.[/p][/quote]As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 3

3:00pm Tue 10 Jun 14

soton_resident says...

Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ?

Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question?
Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question? soton_resident
  • Score: 0

3:28pm Tue 10 Jun 14

soton_resident says...

"It opened in 2012, and despite a good first year when 143,000 people visited the maritime museum, visitor numbers dropped to around 100,000 in its second year."

How can the first year's figure be described as good compared with year 2? When the museum opened the Council gave away 98,000 tickets of which 13,600 were used before they expired. Each ticket allowed free entry for up to 2 adults and 3 children. A total of 5 potential visitors per ticket multiplied by the 13,600 tickets used gives 68,000 visits. But, I'm guessing each ticket wasn't used by 5 people. Assuming it was an average of three visitors per ticket that would account for almost the entire difference between the first and second years, meaning that years and 1 and 2 had virtually the same cash income.

Unless there is something dramatically new on display I think it reasonable to assume that the 40,000 + local resident visitors who've visted wont be going back again. Growth can only come from 'outside' visitors.
"It opened in 2012, and despite a good first year when 143,000 people visited the maritime museum, visitor numbers dropped to around 100,000 in its second year." How can the first year's figure be described as good compared with year 2? When the museum opened the Council gave away 98,000 tickets of which 13,600 were used before they expired. Each ticket allowed free entry for up to 2 adults and 3 children. A total of 5 potential visitors per ticket multiplied by the 13,600 tickets used gives 68,000 visits. But, I'm guessing each ticket wasn't used by 5 people. Assuming it was an average of three visitors per ticket that would account for almost the entire difference between the first and second years, meaning that years and 1 and 2 had virtually the same cash income. Unless there is something dramatically new on display I think it reasonable to assume that the 40,000 + local resident visitors who've visted wont be going back again. Growth can only come from 'outside' visitors. soton_resident
  • Score: 2

3:47pm Tue 10 Jun 14

03alpe01 says...

Why was it even built in the first place?
Why was it even built in the first place? 03alpe01
  • Score: 1

3:58pm Tue 10 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

I cannot believe it a positive suggestion from Lone Ranger. This may be the first sign of him turning Tory.

A great day indeed, I hope for more signs in future.

Please try to save your friend Linesman, he too would be happier as a Tory.
I cannot believe it a positive suggestion from Lone Ranger. This may be the first sign of him turning Tory. A great day indeed, I hope for more signs in future. Please try to save your friend Linesman, he too would be happier as a Tory. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -4

5:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
I cannot believe it a positive suggestion from Lone Ranger. This may be the first sign of him turning Tory.

A great day indeed, I hope for more signs in future.

Please try to save your friend Linesman, he too would be happier as a Tory.
Suicide would be my prefered option .......
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: I cannot believe it a positive suggestion from Lone Ranger. This may be the first sign of him turning Tory. A great day indeed, I hope for more signs in future. Please try to save your friend Linesman, he too would be happier as a Tory.[/p][/quote]Suicide would be my prefered option ....... Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 2

5:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

soton_resident wrote:
Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ?

Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question?
I never suggested 1 million did I
[quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question?[/p][/quote]I never suggested 1 million did I Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

7:00pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

southy wrote:
From the sidelines wrote:
So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance.

I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes.
Labour is not on the Left, it's been a Right Wing Party now for nearly 30 years
Peter you are partly correct, because at the moment the NuLabour is only de facto unofficial right wing of the Conservative Party, but at the speed the Miliband led mob is moving towards right they are likely to overtake the UKIP within near future and start filling the space on the left of likes of ADL and BNP.

Not exactly a comforting thought for those of us who wasted their life time within old Labour Party and still hold on to the values for which political arm of the Trade Union Movement was created; to promote and defend the interests of working class and vulnerable groups.

In all fairness the basic point made by 'From The Sidelines' is correct, because complaining about tax avoidance and the NuLabourites planning to do the same under latest convert to NuLabourism slippery Simon Letts can only called hypocrisy.

Every genuine socialist whether still crucifying his/her socialist conscience within the Thatcherised NuLabour or out of the mob should disassociate from the urincipled and shamefully creative accountancy of local NuLabour councillors.

Fact the Hannides Horror House called Sea City Museum was the mill stone hung around the delicate financial neck of Southampton Council, by the blue eyed boy of local Tories Cllr. Hannides, despite many of us warning against that idea from some lunatics asylum, all those who opposed the idea should not simply be gloating and saying "we told you so" but they should be telling Hannadies to stay quite, grow up and stop suggesting anymore silly and stupid ideas.

And if they have any common political sense left in their arrogant opportunist and unprincipled skulls the NuLabourite Cuncillors should not be defending the Horror House as an asset for our City. But blaming the Tories for this super expensive mess.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]From the sidelines[/bold] wrote: So, we have a Labour council looking to use Charity law to enable tax avoidance. I thought you lot on the left were against tax loopholes.[/p][/quote]Labour is not on the Left, it's been a Right Wing Party now for nearly 30 years[/p][/quote]Peter you are partly correct, because at the moment the NuLabour is only de facto unofficial right wing of the Conservative Party, but at the speed the Miliband led mob is moving towards right they are likely to overtake the UKIP within near future and start filling the space on the left of likes of ADL and BNP. Not exactly a comforting thought for those of us who wasted their life time within old Labour Party and still hold on to the values for which political arm of the Trade Union Movement was created; to promote and defend the interests of working class and vulnerable groups. In all fairness the basic point made by 'From The Sidelines' is correct, because complaining about tax avoidance and the NuLabourites planning to do the same under latest convert to NuLabourism slippery Simon Letts can only called hypocrisy. Every genuine socialist whether still crucifying his/her socialist conscience within the Thatcherised NuLabour or out of the mob should disassociate from the urincipled and shamefully creative accountancy of local NuLabour councillors. Fact the Hannides Horror House called Sea City Museum was the mill stone hung around the delicate financial neck of Southampton Council, by the blue eyed boy of local Tories Cllr. Hannides, despite many of us warning against that idea from some lunatics asylum, all those who opposed the idea should not simply be gloating and saying "we told you so" but they should be telling Hannadies to stay quite, grow up and stop suggesting anymore silly and stupid ideas. And if they have any common political sense left in their arrogant opportunist and unprincipled skulls the NuLabourite Cuncillors should not be defending the Horror House as an asset for our City. But blaming the Tories for this super expensive mess. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -2

7:13pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
" .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body."

I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there.

My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre!

The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.
As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ...
Surely you know much better than you are pretending to score some point for NuLabour.

He/she will be doing the job his/her employer pay for, doing anything else could land the person into big problem.

To promote tourist attractions in the city should be done by tourist information department. As old man I may not know everything in our complex Council so I be thankful if you let likes of me know if any such thing exists in Southampton.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: " .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body." I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there. My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre! The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.[/p][/quote]As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ...[/p][/quote]Surely you know much better than you are pretending to score some point for NuLabour. He/she will be doing the job his/her employer pay for, doing anything else could land the person into big problem. To promote tourist attractions in the city should be done by tourist information department. As old man I may not know everything in our complex Council so I be thankful if you let likes of me know if any such thing exists in Southampton. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Lone Ranger. says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
soton_resident wrote:
" .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body."

I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there.

My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre!

The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.
As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ...
Surely you know much better than you are pretending to score some point for NuLabour.

He/she will be doing the job his/her employer pay for, doing anything else could land the person into big problem.

To promote tourist attractions in the city should be done by tourist information department. As old man I may not know everything in our complex Council so I be thankful if you let likes of me know if any such thing exists in Southampton.
No Paramjit ...... you have misunderstood my intentions ....But not for the first time !!
.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: " .... the museums pay less business rates if they become a charitable body." I don't get the logic - reduce the subsidy needed for the museums in exchange for a shortfall in business rate income! Can't see any gain there. My job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers and not once has anyone every asked about the Sea City Museum, nor said they are going visit it or said they've visited it whilst ashore. The shuttle buses which take passengers between the ships and the City only have one stop - Marlands Shopping Centre! The City Council ought to be organising and promoting guided tours of the city to the cruise ship operators. As it is Southampton waves good bye to these potential visitors as their coachres head off to the Bealieu Motor Museum, Stonehenge, Windsor Castle, Winchester and Salisbury etc. All of these trips are sold onboard the ship by the cruise lines. The cruise lines offer nothing other nothing other than the Marlands Shopping bus in Southampton.[/p][/quote]As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? ...[/p][/quote]Surely you know much better than you are pretending to score some point for NuLabour. He/she will be doing the job his/her employer pay for, doing anything else could land the person into big problem. To promote tourist attractions in the city should be done by tourist information department. As old man I may not know everything in our complex Council so I be thankful if you let likes of me know if any such thing exists in Southampton.[/p][/quote]No Paramjit ...... you have misunderstood my intentions ....But not for the first time !! . Lone Ranger.
  • Score: 1

7:57pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Maine Lobster says...

The Tories want the Council to look at outsourcing it. they should have never embarked upon this project in the first place and we would not now have the problem of how to deal with this unnecessary Tory ego trip.
The Tories want the Council to look at outsourcing it. they should have never embarked upon this project in the first place and we would not now have the problem of how to deal with this unnecessary Tory ego trip. Maine Lobster
  • Score: 3

10:19pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Paramjit Bahia says...

Hardly surprising that not many supporters of the true Tories on this site who used to dominate the comments trying to defend one of the main follies of their party when in charge of Southampton Council.

Although they used to attack all those who ever dared to suggest that this Horror House idea of Cllr. Hannides was stupid and will be worse than white elephant, now have conveniently gone quite.
Hardly surprising that not many supporters of the true Tories on this site who used to dominate the comments trying to defend one of the main follies of their party when in charge of Southampton Council. Although they used to attack all those who ever dared to suggest that this Horror House idea of Cllr. Hannides was stupid and will be worse than white elephant, now have conveniently gone quite. Paramjit Bahia
  • Score: -1

11:44pm Tue 10 Jun 14

tommo27 says...

soton_resident wrote:
Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ?

Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question?
i wonder exactly how many of the 1m are interested in watching how a ship sank?
[quote][p][bold]soton_resident[/bold] wrote: Lone Ranger. says... As your job involves face to face contact with cruise ship passengers have you ever mentioned to those passengers about the Sea City Museum ? Yes, but not all 1 million plus of them! Next helpfull question?[/p][/quote]i wonder exactly how many of the 1m are interested in watching how a ship sank? tommo27
  • Score: 2

4:37am Wed 11 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

Maine Lobster, trying to get better value for the tax payer is not about ego, it is how we improve every ones standard of living.
Maine Lobster, trying to get better value for the tax payer is not about ego, it is how we improve every ones standard of living. aldermoorboy
  • Score: -3

7:09am Wed 11 Jun 14

FoysCornerBoy says...

aldermoorboy wrote:
Maine Lobster, trying to get better value for the tax payer is not about ego, it is how we improve every ones standard of living.
The problem for conservatives, though, is that they do not give good value for money and have a very poor record when it comes to running public services. Their problem stems from a naive belief that public services can be made more 'efficient' by running them along private business principles.

We can witness see the chaos this causes in the public transport (rail and bus privatisations) and the care sectors (witness the failure of the Southern Cross business model).

Many of us who work in public services acknowledge and accept the need for greater efficiency and adoption of innovative practice to achieve better value, not only for the taxpayer but for the beneficiaries of particular specialist services. What we need is more support for the frontline provider and their service users - working in partnership with others with specialist expertise - to refashion services.

What we need less of is a rag bag of failed small businessmen, accountants, and private industry's cast-offs telling us how to run vital public services. These people think they know the unit cost of everything, but of value they no nothing.
[quote][p][bold]aldermoorboy[/bold] wrote: Maine Lobster, trying to get better value for the tax payer is not about ego, it is how we improve every ones standard of living.[/p][/quote]The problem for conservatives, though, is that they do not give good value for money and have a very poor record when it comes to running public services. Their problem stems from a naive belief that public services can be made more 'efficient' by running them along private business principles. We can witness see the chaos this causes in the public transport (rail and bus privatisations) and the care sectors (witness the failure of the Southern Cross business model). Many of us who work in public services acknowledge and accept the need for greater efficiency and adoption of innovative practice to achieve better value, not only for the taxpayer but for the beneficiaries of particular specialist services. What we need is more support for the frontline provider and their service users - working in partnership with others with specialist expertise - to refashion services. What we need less of is a rag bag of failed small businessmen, accountants, and private industry's cast-offs telling us how to run vital public services. These people think they know the unit cost of everything, but of value they no nothing. FoysCornerBoy
  • Score: 1

8:48am Wed 11 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

If you want better value for the tax payers of Southampton, stop paying the unions, reduce your cabinet members, reduce number of councillors, merger services etc
If you want better value for the tax payers of Southampton, stop paying the unions, reduce your cabinet members, reduce number of councillors, merger services etc aldermoorboy
  • Score: -3

11:30am Wed 11 Jun 14

sotonboy84 says...

Paramjit Bahia wrote:
Hardly surprising that not many supporters of the true Tories on this site who used to dominate the comments trying to defend one of the main follies of their party when in charge of Southampton Council.

Although they used to attack all those who ever dared to suggest that this Horror House idea of Cllr. Hannides was stupid and will be worse than white elephant, now have conveniently gone quite.
I'll help you out Paramjit.

It shouldn't have been built by the Conservative Council, but the Labour Council are equally as useless at running it properly.

Both as useless as each other.
[quote][p][bold]Paramjit Bahia[/bold] wrote: Hardly surprising that not many supporters of the true Tories on this site who used to dominate the comments trying to defend one of the main follies of their party when in charge of Southampton Council. Although they used to attack all those who ever dared to suggest that this Horror House idea of Cllr. Hannides was stupid and will be worse than white elephant, now have conveniently gone quite.[/p][/quote]I'll help you out Paramjit. It shouldn't have been built by the Conservative Council, but the Labour Council are equally as useless at running it properly. Both as useless as each other. sotonboy84
  • Score: 1

6:17am Thu 12 Jun 14

aldermoorboy says...

We have got it, so lets make the best of it. Free for all, but donations can be given an idea?
Get cruise ship passengers in here etc etc
We have got it, so lets make the best of it. Free for all, but donations can be given an idea? Get cruise ship passengers in here etc etc aldermoorboy
  • Score: 0

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