The New Forest National Park Authority looks set to throw out plans for a community bike scheme on Tuesday

Graham Bright of B-Cycle which was due to run the scheme in the New Forest

Graham Bright of B-Cycle which was due to run the scheme in the New Forest

First published in News by

A MOVE to abandon £2m plans for a ‘Boris bike’- style scheme in the New Forest is ‘disappointing’, says the company set to run it.

Members of the New Forest National Park Authority look set to throw out the almost-completed plans for the scheme at an extraordinary meeting on Tuesday.

As reported earlier this week concerns over ‘major anti-cycling sentiment’ in the Forest and worries over securing sponsorship has led members to call for the scheme – included as part of £3.5m funding from the Department of Transport – to be rejected.

This is despite a procurement process securing the service of company B-Cycle to implement around 250 bikes in 20 different New Forest locations.

The contract was due to be signed in June, but delayed after members raised concerns.

Graham Bright, B-Cycle’s partnership director for the UK and Europe, said in his experience the situation was “unprecedented”.

But he hoped to be able to address members’ concerns at the crunch meeting on Tuesday.

Graham said: “We have not had an opportunity to engage with members.

The things they have mentioned in their reports can be easily addressed.”

He said concerns over sponsorship were misguided as any deals to cover ongoing costs would not affect the viability of the scheme.

Mr Bright, said B-Cycle who are part of bike giants Trek, have established successful schemes across North and South America.

He said bike share is a service that is a very different experience to mass cycling events.

“It is a slow leisure ride for families that want to explore the Forest. Our bikes typically move at a speed of 7mph, similar to a fast runner.

“They won’t be hammering through Brockenhurst.”

A petition urging the National Park Authority to go-ahead with the plans has attracted more than 800 signatures.

And it received a welcome boost after British Cyclist Chris Boardman and Tour de France legend Jens Voigt retweeted a link to the petition.

Last year the German star, who rode his last Tour this summer, took time out to support a charity bike ride through the New Forest for the Epilepsy Society.

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3:05pm Sat 16 Aug 14

forest hump says...

Seconds away!.....ding, ding,.....round three!
Seconds away!.....ding, ding,.....round three! forest hump
  • Score: 1

4:55pm Sat 16 Aug 14

SotonGreen says...

Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.
Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions. SotonGreen
  • Score: 0

5:44pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

This is a scheme that has already secured £3.5 million in funding, sourced a bike supplier & will create valuable local jobs & bring more people into the NFNP to spend money! What's not to like about this scheme? Now the NPA, the very people who championed the idea want to pull the plug based on hype about the mass participation cycle events run in the forest! This is exactly the kind of audience it is not aimed at, the mind boggles! If this gets turned down you will never see that money again, ridiculous, shame on you NPA!
This is a scheme that has already secured £3.5 million in funding, sourced a bike supplier & will create valuable local jobs & bring more people into the NFNP to spend money! What's not to like about this scheme? Now the NPA, the very people who championed the idea want to pull the plug based on hype about the mass participation cycle events run in the forest! This is exactly the kind of audience it is not aimed at, the mind boggles! If this gets turned down you will never see that money again, ridiculous, shame on you NPA! Solent Soul
  • Score: 5

5:47pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

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5:47pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

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6:58pm Sat 16 Aug 14

michael67 says...

3.5 million plus another 2 million what the hell is this money being spent on. Somebody is getting rich.
3.5 million plus another 2 million what the hell is this money being spent on. Somebody is getting rich. michael67
  • Score: 3

8:34pm Sat 16 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

SotonGreen wrote:
Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.
At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again.
[quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.[/p][/quote]At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again. geoff51
  • Score: -6

10:12pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Forest Resident says...

No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday.
No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday. Forest Resident
  • Score: 18

6:32am Sun 17 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

Forest Resident wrote:
No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday.
Very well said! This scheme would benefit the New Forest in so many ways; From added income from tourism to getting people actively using the Park as it should be & reducing vehicular traffic at the same time. This shouldn't be confused with the mass cycling events that run on a few limited weekends of the year..
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday.[/p][/quote]Very well said! This scheme would benefit the New Forest in so many ways; From added income from tourism to getting people actively using the Park as it should be & reducing vehicular traffic at the same time. This shouldn't be confused with the mass cycling events that run on a few limited weekends of the year.. Solent Soul
  • Score: 5

8:15am Sun 17 Aug 14

skeptik says...

Where does the money go? Anyone having dealings with 'authority' will know the routine - one idea needs - administering, this involves advice on which agencies of local, national and other government authorities to involve. Introductions and prelims, followed by initial plans to authorize a board to initiate planning. Consultation within and consultation with the folk that are a pain and will be ignored anyway. Once the green shoots appear the legal department are allowed a bite of the cherry -----in the fullness of time the public are often spared further expense as the idea has become unnecessary or obsolete. At this point bonuses and awards are handed out.
Where does the money go? Anyone having dealings with 'authority' will know the routine - one idea needs - administering, this involves advice on which agencies of local, national and other government authorities to involve. Introductions and prelims, followed by initial plans to authorize a board to initiate planning. Consultation within and consultation with the folk that are a pain and will be ignored anyway. Once the green shoots appear the legal department are allowed a bite of the cherry -----in the fullness of time the public are often spared further expense as the idea has become unnecessary or obsolete. At this point bonuses and awards are handed out. skeptik
  • Score: -3

8:44am Sun 17 Aug 14

Frogham Ferret says...

If its such a good idea why does a private company need 3.5 million tax payer subsidy to start it?
and why will it need sponsors ( more money from other people) to run it?

More LEISURE cycling in the Forest (not park) would be good, it the heads down b*ms up brigade that spoil it.
If its such a good idea why does a private company need 3.5 million tax payer subsidy to start it? and why will it need sponsors ( more money from other people) to run it? More LEISURE cycling in the Forest (not park) would be good, it the heads down b*ms up brigade that spoil it. Frogham Ferret
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Sun 17 Aug 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.
At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again.
Still haven't a clue?

It is the small vociferous anti cycling minority with their lies and unfounded claims that are the civilians here


Anyway your claims to connection with reality were never that good....... are you still claiming that the New Forest show does not cause traffic problems ant that there are no traffic queues in Lyndhurst at weekends
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.[/p][/quote]At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again.[/p][/quote]Still haven't a clue? It is the small vociferous anti cycling minority with their lies and unfounded claims that are the civilians here Anyway your claims to connection with reality were never that good....... are you still claiming that the New Forest show does not cause traffic problems ant that there are no traffic queues in Lyndhurst at weekends DanWeston
  • Score: 1

4:01pm Sun 17 Aug 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
SotonGreen wrote:
Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.
At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again.
Says the person whose grip on reality is that there are no problems with traffic at Lyndhurst and that the New Forest Show doesn't cause traffic issues either!


The reality is that there is a small bigoted vociferous clique , whose lies, vandalism, and unfounded claims have made the New Forest an area which many now find unwelcome for cyclists of any kind.

Perhaps the "Entitled Generation" are really the few who simply cannot stand anyone else being in "their forest"?
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SotonGreen[/bold] wrote: Well that's silly it isn't tourists on boris bikes that are the problem it is the self centred self obsessed Lycra clad ninjas on their carbon fibre steeds running amok in their thousands in wiggle organised invasions.[/p][/quote]At last someone has got to the crux of the problem. The usual Cycling mafia has spoilt it for the majority, but of course they will protest it is their right, the I'm Entitled generation strikes again.[/p][/quote]Says the person whose grip on reality is that there are no problems with traffic at Lyndhurst and that the New Forest Show doesn't cause traffic issues either! The reality is that there is a small bigoted vociferous clique , whose lies, vandalism, and unfounded claims have made the New Forest an area which many now find unwelcome for cyclists of any kind. Perhaps the "Entitled Generation" are really the few who simply cannot stand anyone else being in "their forest"? DanWeston
  • Score: 4

4:15pm Sun 17 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.
We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. geoff51
  • Score: -3

6:55pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.[/p][/quote]geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. Drhysted
  • Score: 1

6:57pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

Forest Resident wrote:
No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday.
I could not have put it better.

Just disappointed that I can't be there on Tuesday.
[quote][p][bold]Forest Resident[/bold] wrote: No Geoff, the 'problem' here (if any actually exists beyond anecdote and conjecture) lies with the 40-50 people from a minute survey that the NPA conducted, & who are tenuously linking two entirely different and equally harmless forms of cycling. In looking to cancel the 'Boris Bikes' and therefore hand back millions of pounds that they the NPA bid for they are not only destroying a perfectly good sustainable transport scheme but they are irreparably damaging the reputation of the New Forest as a welcoming tourist destination to the entire nation (it may have slipped your gaze but the NPA's NIMBY attitude has already been questioned, exposed and belittled in the national press this week). In stark contrast to a small handful of anti cycling NIMBYS the above mentioned petition 'for' the New Forest 'Boris Bike' scheme has amassed nearly 1800 supporters and the backing of a number of professional cyclists and celebrities in a little over 3 days since its creation. The NPA are so very badly wrong on their recommendation to shelve this perfectly good scheme, and this will be demonstrated to them in the strongest possible terms on Tuesday.[/p][/quote]I could not have put it better. Just disappointed that I can't be there on Tuesday. Drhysted
  • Score: 0

7:52pm Sun 17 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle RACES otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a RACE
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.[/p][/quote]geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.[/p][/quote]There was no error as they are Wiggle RACES otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a RACE geoff51
  • Score: -1

8:18pm Sun 17 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying. Drhysted
  • Score: 1

9:41pm Sun 17 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand. geoff51
  • Score: -4

12:05am Mon 18 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
I think the local press have done quite a job of stirring up the anti cycling hysteria, thank you Daily Echo for you're help.. not.
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.[/p][/quote]geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.[/p][/quote]I think the local press have done quite a job of stirring up the anti cycling hysteria, thank you Daily Echo for you're help.. not. Solent Soul
  • Score: 2

12:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

Solent Soul says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Racing would evolve an outright winner, which they don't have. Everyone is a winner in so much that you receive a medal for completing the ride, have a go, it's quite rewarding!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Racing would evolve an outright winner, which they don't have. Everyone is a winner in so much that you receive a medal for completing the ride, have a go, it's quite rewarding! Solent Soul
  • Score: 3

9:08am Mon 18 Aug 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

And in the real world a large cycle sportive happened just yesterday and no-body seems to have battered and eye lid. About 600 hundred riders came past my house on the route in drips and drabs throughout the day. I saw no bother at all no litter, we also had pedestrians (some out picking the early blackberry's, some walking their dogs), cars, horse riders, pony and traps and tractors down the road as usual. Not a spot of bother at all! Just everybody out enjoying their day doing what they enjoy and not really affecting anybody else at all.

The Sportives (not races) have nothing to do with this scheme what so ever and I feel it's a good thing for the Forest and should continue.

But unfortunately those few Nimbys and the vocal few on here who can't even remotely claim it to be their "Back Yard" still keep on, and on! with their exaggerations, fabrications, lies and nonsense to try and just ruin other peoples enjoyment of the national park, when many have not even been in the forest when one of the events has been on.

anyway this is not about the events, enough of that. A cycle hire scheme for tourists is a good thing!
And in the real world a large cycle sportive happened just yesterday and no-body seems to have battered and eye lid. About 600 hundred riders came past my house on the route in drips and drabs throughout the day. I saw no bother at all no litter, we also had pedestrians (some out picking the early blackberry's, some walking their dogs), cars, horse riders, pony and traps and tractors down the road as usual. Not a spot of bother at all! Just everybody out enjoying their day doing what they enjoy and not really affecting anybody else at all. The Sportives (not races) have nothing to do with this scheme what so ever and I feel it's a good thing for the Forest and should continue. But unfortunately those few Nimbys and the vocal few on here who can't even remotely claim it to be their "Back Yard" still keep on, and on! with their exaggerations, fabrications, lies and nonsense to try and just ruin other peoples enjoyment of the national park, when many have not even been in the forest when one of the events has been on. anyway this is not about the events, enough of that. A cycle hire scheme for tourists is a good thing! AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 6

9:10am Mon 18 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
How can I not correct your factual errors.
The organisers say they are not races.
The Police say they are not races.
The Highways Agency say they are not races.
The BCA say they are not races.
The insurance company say they are not races.
Participants say they are not races.
I have taken part, so know first hand that they are not races.

Yet you continue to look a fool by incorrectly refer to them as races!
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]How can I not correct your factual errors. The organisers say they are not races. The Police say they are not races. The Highways Agency say they are not races. The BCA say they are not races. The insurance company say they are not races. Participants say they are not races. I have taken part, so know first hand that they are not races. Yet you continue to look a fool by incorrectly refer to them as races! Drhysted
  • Score: 3

9:14am Mon 18 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you.

Its. Not. A. Race.

Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it??

Sod. Off.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you. Its. Not. A. Race. Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it?? Sod. Off. camerajuan
  • Score: 4

9:47am Mon 18 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

Returning to the story for a sec (before Jeff starts foaming again).

This has already been financed by the Government, returning the money now puts all future grants at risk.
The persons likely to use them will be bimbling at about 7 to 13 mph, chances are good that they will not be wearing Lyrca.
Surely anything that gets cars off our roads is a good thing (even for other road users).
Even if I wasn't a cyclist I would support this.
Returning to the story for a sec (before Jeff starts foaming again). This has already been financed by the Government, returning the money now puts all future grants at risk. The persons likely to use them will be bimbling at about 7 to 13 mph, chances are good that they will not be wearing Lyrca. Surely anything that gets cars off our roads is a good thing (even for other road users). Even if I wasn't a cyclist I would support this. Drhysted
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Mon 18 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you.

Its. Not. A. Race.

Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it??

Sod. Off.
Sod Off! The intelligent comment of someone who is Trying to put a point of view about a subject.
If its timed its a RACE, end of!
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you. Its. Not. A. Race. Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it?? Sod. Off.[/p][/quote]Sod Off! The intelligent comment of someone who is Trying to put a point of view about a subject. If its timed its a RACE, end of! geoff51
  • Score: -2

4:28pm Mon 18 Aug 14

geoff51 says...

Drhysted wrote:
Returning to the story for a sec (before Jeff starts foaming again).

This has already been financed by the Government, returning the money now puts all future grants at risk.
The persons likely to use them will be bimbling at about 7 to 13 mph, chances are good that they will not be wearing Lyrca.
Surely anything that gets cars off our roads is a good thing (even for other road users).
Even if I wasn't a cyclist I would support this.
Actually if you care to read my posts properly I have full support for the scheme as it would allow visitors to enjoy the beauty of the New Forest at a speed slow enough for them to appreciate.
My arguement which none of you seem to understand is that the forest is no place for cycle RACES
[quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: Returning to the story for a sec (before Jeff starts foaming again). This has already been financed by the Government, returning the money now puts all future grants at risk. The persons likely to use them will be bimbling at about 7 to 13 mph, chances are good that they will not be wearing Lyrca. Surely anything that gets cars off our roads is a good thing (even for other road users). Even if I wasn't a cyclist I would support this.[/p][/quote]Actually if you care to read my posts properly I have full support for the scheme as it would allow visitors to enjoy the beauty of the New Forest at a speed slow enough for them to appreciate. My arguement which none of you seem to understand is that the forest is no place for cycle RACES geoff51
  • Score: -2

4:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you.

Its. Not. A. Race.

Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it??

Sod. Off.
Leave Geoff alone, if he says they are races, then they must be races.

I use the time to use as a personal training tool. To see if I'm fitter.

I don't give too hoots to anyone else's time, we'll apart from my friends buts that's for banter and bragging rights only.

It's not a race for me but I can't talk on behalf of any other riders.

If it was a race I'm sure hampshire constabulary would of clamped down hard.

On a side note what happened about the police investigation. Reconciler is around he'll know, I hope.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you. Its. Not. A. Race. Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it?? Sod. Off.[/p][/quote]Leave Geoff alone, if he says they are races, then they must be races. I use the time to use as a personal training tool. To see if I'm fitter. I don't give too hoots to anyone else's time, we'll apart from my friends buts that's for banter and bragging rights only. It's not a race for me but I can't talk on behalf of any other riders. If it was a race I'm sure hampshire constabulary would of clamped down hard. On a side note what happened about the police investigation. Reconciler is around he'll know, I hope. southamptonadi
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Mon 18 Aug 14

southamptonadi says...

camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you.

Its. Not. A. Race.

Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it??

Sod. Off.
Leave Geoff alone, if he says they are races, then they must be races.

I use the time to use as a personal training tool. To see if I'm fitter.

I don't give too hoots to anyone else's time, we'll apart from my friends buts that's for banter and bragging rights only.

It's not a race for me but I can't talk on behalf of any other riders.

If it was a race I'm sure hampshire constabulary would of clamped down hard.

On a side note what happened about the police investigation. Reconciler is around he'll know, I hope.
[quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you. Its. Not. A. Race. Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it?? Sod. Off.[/p][/quote]Leave Geoff alone, if he says they are races, then they must be races. I use the time to use as a personal training tool. To see if I'm fitter. I don't give too hoots to anyone else's time, we'll apart from my friends buts that's for banter and bragging rights only. It's not a race for me but I can't talk on behalf of any other riders. If it was a race I'm sure hampshire constabulary would of clamped down hard. On a side note what happened about the police investigation. Reconciler is around he'll know, I hope. southamptonadi
  • Score: 0

7:17pm Mon 18 Aug 14

Drhysted says...

What jeff has missed is that there are a number of races that take place in the New Forest. These never hit the news.

I do hope that in the next decade I do not reach the same point as Jeff, as I like to be open to learning, but Jeff is stuck in I'm right the world is wrong.
What jeff has missed is that there are a number of races that take place in the New Forest. These never hit the news. I do hope that in the next decade I do not reach the same point as Jeff, as I like to be open to learning, but Jeff is stuck in I'm right the world is wrong. Drhysted
  • Score: 1

7:55pm Mon 18 Aug 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.
Still nowhere near the reality then?

YOu are quite correct... it is nothing to do with comparing motoring and cycling.

It is your absurd claims that the New Forest Show does not cause disruption or inconvenience to anyone, where a few hundred cyclists brought the New Forest to a stand still.

But please carry on, it is ridiculous claims like this that show just how silly the anti-cycling groups claims are
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle races have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.[/p][/quote]Still nowhere near the reality then? YOu are quite correct... it is nothing to do with comparing motoring and cycling. It is your absurd claims that the New Forest Show does not cause disruption or inconvenience to anyone, where a few hundred cyclists brought the New Forest to a stand still. But please carry on, it is ridiculous claims like this that show just how silly the anti-cycling groups claims are DanWeston
  • Score: 0

8:07pm Mon 18 Aug 14

DanWeston says...

geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Publishing times does not make it a race.... despite your illfounded claims

South West Trains publishes the performance of it's trains, are you claiming that these train routes are "RACES"

First Bus, Stagecoach and a hundred other firms publish performance times, are you claiming that the bus routes are in fact "RACES"
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Publishing times does not make it a race.... despite your illfounded claims South West Trains publishes the performance of it's trains, are you claiming that these train routes are "RACES" First Bus, Stagecoach and a hundred other firms publish performance times, are you claiming that the bus routes are in fact "RACES" DanWeston
  • Score: -1

9:23am Tue 19 Aug 14

camerajuan says...

geoff51 wrote:
camerajuan wrote:
geoff51 wrote:
Drhysted wrote:
geoff51 says...

We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water.
The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest.
The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead.

Just thought I should correct your error Jeff.
There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement.

Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.
Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES.
Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN
If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.
Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you.

Its. Not. A. Race.

Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it??

Sod. Off.
Sod Off! The intelligent comment of someone who is Trying to put a point of view about a subject.
If its timed its a RACE, end of!
It's an overall view which the majority of people hold towards your unjust and ridiculous hatred towards cyclists.

I swear you just look for a title with anything remotely mentioning cycling and your verbal tirade just can't stop itself. A keyboard warrior for the minority. e.g. - You.

It's not a race. So what if it's timed? Nobody is trying to beat everyone else. Race's have winners, runners up and 3rd places. Have you not seen the Commonwealth Games or The European Championships recently? The top 3 get medals. The Wiggle Sportive is not a race in the same way as the Southampton Park Run isn't a race.

So again, sod off.

Let's see you actually respond to the points of this rather than getting your y-fronts in a twist about being told to sod off.
[quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]camerajuan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]geoff51[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Drhysted[/bold] wrote: geoff51 says... We are not here to debate the pros and cons of cycling versus motoring the point is that the action of many of the participants in the Wiggle FUN RIDES have created a groundswell of anti cycling feeling which has rebounded in the chance of this scheme being dead in the water. The use of these types of bikes will be mostly families enjoying the beauty and peaceful ambience of the New Forest. The pedantic attitude of the Cycling heavy mob has done a major disservice to the promotion of their chosen sport and the result is that the powers that be are thinking of refusing permission for this to go ahead. Just thought I should correct your error Jeff. There was no error as they are Wiggle FUN RIDE otherwise they would not publish times. in my mind if its time its a achievement. Shouldn't really need to correct you so quickly, but then your lack of ability to understand the written word is worrying.[/p][/quote]Please DO NOT correct my posts when I say they are RACES they are RACES! If you are unable to understand the principle of that if its timed then its a RACE I suggest you look again at the principle of Wiggle RACES. Skyride is a fun ride as it brings together all ages and abilities to have FUN on their bikes and no times are published as there are many mixed abilities having FUN If thats not clear to you I will repeat it in words of one syllable so you can understand.[/p][/quote]Jeffy, here's a few one syllable words for you. Its. Not. A. Race. Who are you to tell people involved in the sport how to define it when all you do is bad mouth it for no reason and aren't in the least bit interested in it?? Sod. Off.[/p][/quote]Sod Off! The intelligent comment of someone who is Trying to put a point of view about a subject. If its timed its a RACE, end of![/p][/quote]It's an overall view which the majority of people hold towards your unjust and ridiculous hatred towards cyclists. I swear you just look for a title with anything remotely mentioning cycling and your verbal tirade just can't stop itself. A keyboard warrior for the minority. e.g. - You. It's not a race. So what if it's timed? Nobody is trying to beat everyone else. Race's have winners, runners up and 3rd places. Have you not seen the Commonwealth Games or The European Championships recently? The top 3 get medals. The Wiggle Sportive is not a race in the same way as the Southampton Park Run isn't a race. So again, sod off. Let's see you actually respond to the points of this rather than getting your y-fronts in a twist about being told to sod off. camerajuan
  • Score: 0

10:54am Tue 19 Aug 14

AFrustratedCyclist says...

He can't respond to actual points with facts because he has none. As he chose to ignore my previous post, from a forest resident who has personal and recent experience of these events (but have never done one).

He's a bigoted old man with nothing better to do with his time. He doesn't live in the forest, yet insists on speaking for them, and he has in no way personally been affected by the events. But once upon a time he drove to Lydnhurst and had to slow for a few seconds to pass some cyclist. My wife and I drive down that road pretty much daily and haven't once seen the sights that he swears happens regularly (cyclist 3 abreast, and so what if they were! It's a single lane road and not particularly wide. So to pass a single cyclist safely requires the other lane to be clear either way, and a bunch would have been easier to pass than a long train) and but the sound of it pretty much ruined his day even his life by the bile and bigoted opinion that he can't help but spout on here endlessly.
He can't respond to actual points with facts because he has none. As he chose to ignore my previous post, from a forest resident who has personal and recent experience of these events (but have never done one). He's a bigoted old man with nothing better to do with his time. He doesn't live in the forest, yet insists on speaking for them, and he has in no way personally been affected by the events. But once upon a time he drove to Lydnhurst and had to slow for a few seconds to pass some cyclist. My wife and I drive down that road pretty much daily and haven't once seen the sights that he swears happens regularly (cyclist 3 abreast, and so what if they were! It's a single lane road and not particularly wide. So to pass a single cyclist safely requires the other lane to be clear either way, and a bunch would have been easier to pass than a long train) and but the sound of it pretty much ruined his day even his life by the bile and bigoted opinion that he can't help but spout on here endlessly. AFrustratedCyclist
  • Score: 4
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