COMMENT: Do Nicola Cortese's Saints wages sum up Premier League madness?

NICOLA CORTESE

NICOLA CORTESE

First published in Sport Daily Echo: Photograph of the Author by , Chief Sports Writer

Football is about as unique a business as you could ever find.

That might not exactly be the boldest statement to make, but there is surely little arguing with it.

A trawl through salary statistics from across the business world just underlines it.

The major difference with what you might call ‘real world’ pay cheques and those in the football bubble is that the supposed worthiness of the latter is often judged from the outside by the heart rather than the head.

The Premier League is fairly big business, that goes almost without saying, but it’s not exactly massive for all but the giants of the game when compared to the rest of the big business universe.

It is a high pressure industry with rewards and spoils for those who are successful, while those who are beset by relegation suffer reverse fortunes.

As such, there is always a tendency to say of anybody who is successful ‘he’s worth every penny’.

That will probably be the reaction of most fans after the latest set of accounts for Saints’ parent company, DWMSL 613 Ltd, revealed that the highest paid director for the year to June 30, 2013, earned more than £1.96m. The accounts show the only director for that period was Nicola Cortese.

In some respects that reaction is hard to argue with. Saints’ turnover leapt by 213 per cent when they were promoted to the Premier League.

For any business that is a big step forward, and you would expect the leader of the company – and, make no mistake, Cortese really did drive every aspect at St Mary’s – to be rewarded.

That logic does stand up to a degree.

It’s just the figures involved that seem so vast in football.

Saints may be earning good money now, but their revenue for the year was £71.8m. It’s great for the club given their recent past of course, but in comparison it’s hardly a monster business. They had a loss of £7.1m.

When you compare it to Marc Bolland, the boss of Marks and Spencer – a company who are a genuine retail giant – you discover his salary for a similar period was only about £200,000 less than Cortese’s. M&S profits had sunk to a mere £564m.

Research by the Chartered Management Institute and XpertHR said the 2012 average UK chief executive salary was £215,879.

The average director’s salary for a company with a turnover up to £249m – only Manchester United broke that in the period among Premier League clubs – was £150,876.

We paid public servants like the Prime Minister less in a year than Cortese, and countless others in the world of football, earned in a month.

Nobody is saying that Cortese is alone in this, or he did anything wrong. There is absolutely no implication of that.

Rather, it underlines how different football is.

His near £37,800 a week wage was probably more than many of the Saints squad were earning.

When you look around the rest of the Premier League, where the players earn such vast amounts, the figures for the previous year, 2011/12, revealed the big clubs did pay their top executives in a similar manner.

David Gill at Manchester United was reported to have got £2.6m, Daniel Levy at Tottenham £2.2m and Arsenal’s Ivan Gazidis £2.05m.

Away from those giants with big turnovers, it was a little more modest with only a few clubs breaking the seven-figure marker.

The likes of Swansea (£200,000), Aston Villa (£256,000), Newcastle (£266,000), Stoke (£517,000) were much lower.

It may well be different for 2012/13, time will fully reveal that.

What’s for sure is that football is a business still, but a very unique one.

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6:52am Thu 10 Apr 14

IOAD says...

If you've read the recent reports about university vice-chancellors earning almost half-a-million a year, Cortese's salary doesn't seem so outrageous... but then I'm not a hack, scumming it in a local rag!
If you've read the recent reports about university vice-chancellors earning almost half-a-million a year, Cortese's salary doesn't seem so outrageous... but then I'm not a hack, scumming it in a local rag! IOAD
  • Score: -7

7:02am Thu 10 Apr 14

Randoor says...

The big clubs are awash with cash it would seem , Shame some it does not find its way done to grass roots football where some clubs even struggle to buy to buy shirts
The big clubs are awash with cash it would seem , Shame some it does not find its way done to grass roots football where some clubs even struggle to buy to buy shirts Randoor
  • Score: 26

7:13am Thu 10 Apr 14

JohnItaly says...

The article refers to the "football bubble". In my experience bubbles have habit of bursting.
The article refers to the "football bubble". In my experience bubbles have habit of bursting. JohnItaly
  • Score: 23

7:29am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one. ghk230473
  • Score: -2

7:46am Thu 10 Apr 14

Saint. says...

What is your real agenda here DE?!

Yes football is full of money and lives in a world of finance that is run different to anything else. Tell us something new. Many wish it wasn't , but can you you change this DE?

Yesterday you attempted to throw mud again towards NC! Which totally backed fired as Saints fans hit back and said he deserved it! Tell us DE did NC not save this club of ours? Did NC not promise success and delivered on them all, and most early?! Is this not great success? Did NC fail on our success anywhere? Are we not playing great footy in the prem and looking up? Have we not kept our players and have many on five year contracts? Related to the football bubble the club play in, he deserved this money and you could possible argue more if you solely looked at the football world!

Lastly DE, thank God you do not run the club!! NC was heading to really take Southampton FC into the top so called big club! NC knew what it took and saw the potential that Southampton FC could win the league and get more money! With him it looked on that this could happen in many of our life times. Let's hope the new board continue here and sign up MP very soon!! But simply DE you keep seeing Southampton FC as a small club and just fortunate to be playing the big clubs!!!
What is your real agenda here DE?! Yes football is full of money and lives in a world of finance that is run different to anything else. Tell us something new. Many wish it wasn't , but can you you change this DE? Yesterday you attempted to throw mud again towards NC! Which totally backed fired as Saints fans hit back and said he deserved it! Tell us DE did NC not save this club of ours? Did NC not promise success and delivered on them all, and most early?! Is this not great success? Did NC fail on our success anywhere? Are we not playing great footy in the prem and looking up? Have we not kept our players and have many on five year contracts? Related to the football bubble the club play in, he deserved this money and you could possible argue more if you solely looked at the football world! Lastly DE, thank God you do not run the club!! NC was heading to really take Southampton FC into the top so called big club! NC knew what it took and saw the potential that Southampton FC could win the league and get more money! With him it looked on that this could happen in many of our life times. Let's hope the new board continue here and sign up MP very soon!! But simply DE you keep seeing Southampton FC as a small club and just fortunate to be playing the big clubs!!! Saint.
  • Score: 22

7:47am Thu 10 Apr 14

Velleity says...

"The average director’s salary for a company with a turnover up to £249m – ... – was £150,876."

Adam, the problem we have here is that you're comparing apples with oranges. "Salary" typically only makes up a small proportion of senior executive pay. You're comparing total pay for Nicola with base pay for everyone else. Additionally, "companies with turnover up to £249m" includes thousands of companies (mine, for example), artifically dragging down that average salary. So, your comparison is, bluntly, meaningless. If you're going to try comparisons, you need to put at least some effort into the job to make them tell you anything at all. Unless you have a point to make, of course.

In summary, from what you've written, there's no way of telling if NC was over- (or ever under-) paid in comparison to other senior execs in Britain. He might have been, but this article doesn't anwer that question.

As for whether fans think in isolation that he was worth it, the comments on the other thread about him are pretty unequivocal.
"The average director’s salary for a company with a turnover up to £249m – ... – was £150,876." Adam, the problem we have here is that you're comparing apples with oranges. "Salary" typically only makes up a small proportion of senior executive pay. You're comparing total pay for Nicola with base pay for everyone else. Additionally, "companies with turnover up to £249m" includes thousands of companies (mine, for example), artifically dragging down that average salary. So, your comparison is, bluntly, meaningless. If you're going to try comparisons, you need to put at least some effort into the job to make them tell you anything at all. Unless you have a point to make, of course. In summary, from what you've written, there's no way of telling if NC was over- (or ever under-) paid in comparison to other senior execs in Britain. He might have been, but this article doesn't anwer that question. As for whether fans think in isolation that he was worth it, the comments on the other thread about him are pretty unequivocal. Velleity
  • Score: 7

7:47am Thu 10 Apr 14

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...

Wonder ????? How far and how quickly we would of returned to TOP CLASS football without HIM ! NO , I certainly do not agree with the silly wages paid , but WE wanted a return to PREMIERSHIP football , AND our rise was quick . Now established with a fantastic team / manager and training facility , Was he worth OUR RISE ???? Never a fan of his ways , but his ACTIONS have won our whole club , back to a brilliant position . C O Y R . And thank you N. C. for your WELL PAID service .s
Wonder ????? How far and how quickly we would of returned to TOP CLASS football without HIM ! NO , I certainly do not agree with the silly wages paid , but WE wanted a return to PREMIERSHIP football , AND our rise was quick . Now established with a fantastic team / manager and training facility , Was he worth OUR RISE ???? Never a fan of his ways , but his ACTIONS have won our whole club , back to a brilliant position . C O Y R . And thank you N. C. for your WELL PAID service .s SPIKEISLANDTRADER
  • Score: 18

7:51am Thu 10 Apr 14

Buddy SFC says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow..........

With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC !
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow.......... With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC ! Buddy SFC
  • Score: 17

8:11am Thu 10 Apr 14

St.Winch70 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese.
You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions?
These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club.
As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese. You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions? These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club. As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC St.Winch70
  • Score: 12

8:11am Thu 10 Apr 14

Abbey Saint says...

Was NC successfull? Hugely so
Was he overpaid? Hugely so
Are all players and execs in the premiership overpaid? Hugely so
Who pays the overpaid? We do
Is the premiership model sustainable? Of course not
Which clubs will be best able to survive long term? Those that are properly managed and financially stable.
Does that include the Saints? Yes!
Was NC successfull? Hugely so Was he overpaid? Hugely so Are all players and execs in the premiership overpaid? Hugely so Who pays the overpaid? We do Is the premiership model sustainable? Of course not Which clubs will be best able to survive long term? Those that are properly managed and financially stable. Does that include the Saints? Yes! Abbey Saint
  • Score: 23

8:12am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Buddy SFC wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow..........

With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC !
Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?
[quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow.......... With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC ![/p][/quote]Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base? ghk230473
  • Score: -14

8:25am Thu 10 Apr 14

Saint. says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow..........

With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC !
Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?
Quiet funny this!

Went past a pub last night full of Indians! When manks scored there was a up roar. How many spoke like a mank? Answer non. How many even been to Manchester? How many Liverpool fans speak with a scouse accent? Remember the Leeds shirts in Southampton when they won the league?

Sadly winning the league and football trophies does increase your fan base!!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow.......... With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC ![/p][/quote]Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?[/p][/quote]Quiet funny this! Went past a pub last night full of Indians! When manks scored there was a up roar. How many spoke like a mank? Answer non. How many even been to Manchester? How many Liverpool fans speak with a scouse accent? Remember the Leeds shirts in Southampton when they won the league? Sadly winning the league and football trophies does increase your fan base!! Saint.
  • Score: 7

8:27am Thu 10 Apr 14

Norwegian Saint says...

He was a nasty piece of work... but glad he was with us.
His wage worked out at £37,692 per week, £5,384 per day.
Rooney gets £300,000 per week, £42,857 per day... THAT is Premiership madness!
He was a nasty piece of work... but glad he was with us. His wage worked out at £37,692 per week, £5,384 per day. Rooney gets £300,000 per week, £42,857 per day... THAT is Premiership madness! Norwegian Saint
  • Score: 8

8:28am Thu 10 Apr 14

Datarater says...

No
No Datarater
  • Score: 0

8:29am Thu 10 Apr 14

bigfella777 says...

Everyone knew he was on 50k a week. Its old news
Having sh1t players like Rooney on 300k a week is madness.
Everyone knew he was on 50k a week. Its old news Having sh1t players like Rooney on 300k a week is madness. bigfella777
  • Score: 6

8:30am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese.
You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions?
These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club.
As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC
I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000!
Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese. You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions? These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club. As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC[/p][/quote]I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000! Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams. ghk230473
  • Score: -12

8:42am Thu 10 Apr 14

alan.of.eastleigh says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And without him we'd still be knocking around Div One. His hard nosed approcah may have divided the fans but even his critics (in the main)realise he hasw helped achieve something very special in the history of the club.

That said, its a team game and there are many people to take credit on and off the pitch for our amazing revival.

Criticise Cortese and you effectively insult than man who appointed him and that is simply not on in my view.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And without him we'd still be knocking around Div One. His hard nosed approcah may have divided the fans but even his critics (in the main)realise he hasw helped achieve something very special in the history of the club. That said, its a team game and there are many people to take credit on and off the pitch for our amazing revival. Criticise Cortese and you effectively insult than man who appointed him and that is simply not on in my view. alan.of.eastleigh
  • Score: 10

8:50am Thu 10 Apr 14

St.Winch70 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese.
You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions?
These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club.
As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC
I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000!
Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams.
Simple answer really, not that it will quench your thirst for an argument......
No Cortese = No premiership (possibly no Southampton FC)
Average home attendance 2008/09 - 18,149 followed by possible liquidation.
Average home attendance 2012/13 - 29,729

But hey if you want to try to convince everyone that he wasn't the key factor in the re-generation of the club carry on, but I am happy that he chose us to recommend to Markus Liebherr and executed his vision with the investment. As a consequence we are where we are today. Up the Saints.....
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese. You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions? These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club. As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC[/p][/quote]I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000! Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams.[/p][/quote]Simple answer really, not that it will quench your thirst for an argument...... No Cortese = No premiership (possibly no Southampton FC) Average home attendance 2008/09 - 18,149 followed by possible liquidation. Average home attendance 2012/13 - 29,729 But hey if you want to try to convince everyone that he wasn't the key factor in the re-generation of the club carry on, but I am happy that he chose us to recommend to Markus Liebherr and executed his vision with the investment. As a consequence we are where we are today. Up the Saints..... St.Winch70
  • Score: 13

8:52am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

alan.of.eastleigh wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And without him we'd still be knocking around Div One. His hard nosed approcah may have divided the fans but even his critics (in the main)realise he hasw helped achieve something very special in the history of the club.

That said, its a team game and there are many people to take credit on and off the pitch for our amazing revival.

Criticise Cortese and you effectively insult than man who appointed him and that is simply not on in my view.
So katharina has insulted her departed father by not giving him a new deal? Do me a favour.
Markus passed just over a year into the project', cortèse was left to his own devises for over 3 years, which in that time even though we were on the accendancy, rather than celebration there was contraversy of some sort. He could argue in an empty room! How do you know Markus wouldn't have had enough of his little tantrums like his daughter? You don't .
[quote][p][bold]alan.of.eastleigh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And without him we'd still be knocking around Div One. His hard nosed approcah may have divided the fans but even his critics (in the main)realise he hasw helped achieve something very special in the history of the club. That said, its a team game and there are many people to take credit on and off the pitch for our amazing revival. Criticise Cortese and you effectively insult than man who appointed him and that is simply not on in my view.[/p][/quote]So katharina has insulted her departed father by not giving him a new deal? Do me a favour. Markus passed just over a year into the project', cortèse was left to his own devises for over 3 years, which in that time even though we were on the accendancy, rather than celebration there was contraversy of some sort. He could argue in an empty room! How do you know Markus wouldn't have had enough of his little tantrums like his daughter? You don't . ghk230473
  • Score: -4

8:55am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

I take it the answer is no!
No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base?
Couldn't even give us stripy shirts!
I take it the answer is no! No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base? Couldn't even give us stripy shirts! ghk230473
  • Score: -8

9:07am Thu 10 Apr 14

Peoples Choice says...

Worth Every Penny when you take into account we spent 1.3m more on Augustine Delgado! And 2m less than Vegard Forren!
Worth Every Penny when you take into account we spent 1.3m more on Augustine Delgado! And 2m less than Vegard Forren! Peoples Choice
  • Score: 0

9:07am Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us.

Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.
Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us. Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 11

9:10am Thu 10 Apr 14

warrens 76 says...

The point about CEO salaries is well made however we could point out the idiot council chiefs who could not organize a pi55 up in a brewery..look at our infrastructure, roads, planning…

..a co*k up of historic proportions mirrored by similar public sector mandarins everywhere on massive salaries in no way related to performance oh and then a gold plated only in 'our' dreams pension scheme paid for by the taxpayer who has no choice in the matter.

..NC was ultimately paid on performance and he performed …the new board have some big shoes to fill, our 'debt' less the money's we will get for Osvaldo and Gaston (if sold) are basically on an already sensational academy expansion that is hardly risk capital….

Consider this, the reason the very rich business's remain so is because they can ride out financial storms and hiccups that force poorer companies to make decisions that are not in their long term interest but for short term survival, (ie us for 20 years) the entire footprint of our club is now quality the players, management, facilities, and minimal debt versus assets …

..talk of awkward financial situations is for me terrifying…..our owners can afford to see this to the next level with no real financial jeopardy the noises they are making are not quite right.
The point about CEO salaries is well made however we could point out the idiot council chiefs who could not organize a pi55 up in a brewery..look at our infrastructure, roads, planning… ..a co*k up of historic proportions mirrored by similar public sector mandarins everywhere on massive salaries in no way related to performance oh and then a gold plated only in 'our' dreams pension scheme paid for by the taxpayer who has no choice in the matter. ..NC was ultimately paid on performance and he performed …the new board have some big shoes to fill, our 'debt' less the money's we will get for Osvaldo and Gaston (if sold) are basically on an already sensational academy expansion that is hardly risk capital…. Consider this, the reason the very rich business's remain so is because they can ride out financial storms and hiccups that force poorer companies to make decisions that are not in their long term interest but for short term survival, (ie us for 20 years) the entire footprint of our club is now quality the players, management, facilities, and minimal debt versus assets … ..talk of awkward financial situations is for me terrifying…..our owners can afford to see this to the next level with no real financial jeopardy the noises they are making are not quite right. warrens 76
  • Score: 5

9:12am Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I take it the answer is no!
No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base?
Couldn't even give us stripy shirts!
The sheer act of promotion saw the numbers rise by many thousands. You are right he didn't engage in the community with free tickets for cup games and so on, he could have done far better. But the sheer act of winning things is what builds the fan base and that and that alone is why Liverpool and Manchester United have fans all over the country and indeed the world.

Like you I thought he was a git - unlike you I acknowledge his massive success.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I take it the answer is no! No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base? Couldn't even give us stripy shirts![/p][/quote]The sheer act of promotion saw the numbers rise by many thousands. You are right he didn't engage in the community with free tickets for cup games and so on, he could have done far better. But the sheer act of winning things is what builds the fan base and that and that alone is why Liverpool and Manchester United have fans all over the country and indeed the world. Like you I thought he was a git - unlike you I acknowledge his massive success. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

9:20am Thu 10 Apr 14

Santa Retfordia says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I take it the answer is no! No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base? Couldn't even give us stripy shirts!
I'll tell you: he tried to increase our fanbase in the only meaningful way a chairman can: by winning stuff.

Liverpool and Man U have massive global fanbases because they've been hugely successful over long periods and won 40-odd titles between them. Next to them even the likes of City and Chelsea are minnows, and it's not because of a lack of money, fan initiatives or investment in pie facilities. Success is the only game in town when it comes to attracting new fans, and that's where Cortese was taking us.

Of course, in an age of food banks it's obscene for anyone to be earning £2m but that's the game we've have chosen and Cortese happened to be very good at playing it.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I take it the answer is no! No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base? Couldn't even give us stripy shirts![/p][/quote]I'll tell you: he tried to increase our fanbase in the only meaningful way a chairman can: by winning stuff. Liverpool and Man U have massive global fanbases because they've been hugely successful over long periods and won 40-odd titles between them. Next to them even the likes of City and Chelsea are minnows, and it's not because of a lack of money, fan initiatives or investment in pie facilities. Success is the only game in town when it comes to attracting new fans, and that's where Cortese was taking us. Of course, in an age of food banks it's obscene for anyone to be earning £2m but that's the game we've have chosen and Cortese happened to be very good at playing it. Santa Retfordia
  • Score: 14

9:22am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us.

Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.
Personally I'd sell up and buy Leeds. Sleeping giant if there ever was one, similar to us being in 3rd tier of English football.

Without a massive cash investment I realistically can't see us improving much on this season position. Success in the cups is more reachable.

For the record I am not completely denying cortèse any credit for our success, however I feel he could have done it without all the conflict and bitterness. We were on the accendancy for 3 years, why was there so much negative stuff going on? He distanced a lot of people and organisations.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us. Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.[/p][/quote]Personally I'd sell up and buy Leeds. Sleeping giant if there ever was one, similar to us being in 3rd tier of English football. Without a massive cash investment I realistically can't see us improving much on this season position. Success in the cups is more reachable. For the record I am not completely denying cortèse any credit for our success, however I feel he could have done it without all the conflict and bitterness. We were on the accendancy for 3 years, why was there so much negative stuff going on? He distanced a lot of people and organisations. ghk230473
  • Score: -7

9:24am Thu 10 Apr 14

sotonwinch09 says...

He ran the club, he can pretty much pay himself what he likes. Why does it matter if people like it or not? If you're jealous, become a director of a premier league football club. Fair play to him for doing well in life.
He ran the club, he can pretty much pay himself what he likes. Why does it matter if people like it or not? If you're jealous, become a director of a premier league football club. Fair play to him for doing well in life. sotonwinch09
  • Score: 0

9:44am Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow..........

With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC !
Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?
Saving us from extinction and making us a successful Premier Club may have brought in a few fans I suspect. If you think we haven't got a fan base how do you explain the volume of support that has just happened for JRod? How do explain the turn out for the JPT? The gates at St Marys show only the active supporters, not every fan can get to every game for hundreds of different reasons, not every Saints fan lives in our catchment area. You quote what happened with NC and KL, but you have formed a blinkered opinion without having any facts, we can speculate all we like but we haven't a clue of what really happened. Your attitude shows absolutely no gratitude for NC'c contribution, just accusing him of being a robber, he was the person trusted and appointed by Markus who gave him a mission to carry out, he has done most of the things that we were promised, and sooner than anyone could have dreamed of in the dark days. We have heard KL say she wants to perpetuate her fathers wishes, we have to accept that as a fact. It will have to be done without NC for whatever reasons that caused the rift, times have changed, the rules change, the financial outlook changes from week to week. If we are to survive we have to trust those that run the Club. Your reference to the Cup games, in the earlier stages, where were the fans when we were playing lower class teams, nowhere in sight, yet when there is the slightest whiff of success they start complaining because we don't appear to be trying to win it, if it was that important they should have attended the earlier games and made it clear that they were interested then.
You say we would still have been here without him, somehow I think history will prove that to be incorrect, you don't appreciate how close we came to oblivion, it was minutes rather than hours, it wasn't a case of relegation to a lower a League, it was a case of NO Southampton Football Club, full stop. You may not like NC, but despite his faults, you cannot push his influence under the counter as if it was just a minor part of our existence. He earned his corn IMO.

The Press problem was mostly self inflicted by the Newspapers themselves, NC wasn't prepared for disingenuous entities undermining what he was trying to do, so limited their chances of digging the dirt. We all think that it was not good to make enemies of people that could help you, but the record of the Press for giving us a fair deal speaks for itself. As you say the one thing lacking was pushing the Brand, there was little attempt to make it a Commercial success, and the shirt saga was a disaster and nobody has worked out why it went so wrong. It would appear that NC preferred actions speaking louder than words, we all know it takes more than that especially in the 21st Century.
IMO we are at a major turning point, it could go any way, onwards, status quo or back down where we came from, never forget that, there will be some major decisions made in the Summer, how will it go, I have no idea but being a Saints fan it is likely to be another Roller Coaster Ride for sure, enjoy it if you can.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow.......... With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC ![/p][/quote]Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?[/p][/quote]Saving us from extinction and making us a successful Premier Club may have brought in a few fans I suspect. If you think we haven't got a fan base how do you explain the volume of support that has just happened for JRod? How do explain the turn out for the JPT? The gates at St Marys show only the active supporters, not every fan can get to every game for hundreds of different reasons, not every Saints fan lives in our catchment area. You quote what happened with NC and KL, but you have formed a blinkered opinion without having any facts, we can speculate all we like but we haven't a clue of what really happened. Your attitude shows absolutely no gratitude for NC'c contribution, just accusing him of being a robber, he was the person trusted and appointed by Markus who gave him a mission to carry out, he has done most of the things that we were promised, and sooner than anyone could have dreamed of in the dark days. We have heard KL say she wants to perpetuate her fathers wishes, we have to accept that as a fact. It will have to be done without NC for whatever reasons that caused the rift, times have changed, the rules change, the financial outlook changes from week to week. If we are to survive we have to trust those that run the Club. Your reference to the Cup games, in the earlier stages, where were the fans when we were playing lower class teams, nowhere in sight, yet when there is the slightest whiff of success they start complaining because we don't appear to be trying to win it, if it was that important they should have attended the earlier games and made it clear that they were interested then. You say we would still have been here without him, somehow I think history will prove that to be incorrect, you don't appreciate how close we came to oblivion, it was minutes rather than hours, it wasn't a case of relegation to a lower a League, it was a case of NO Southampton Football Club, full stop. You may not like NC, but despite his faults, you cannot push his influence under the counter as if it was just a minor part of our existence. He earned his corn IMO. The Press problem was mostly self inflicted by the Newspapers themselves, NC wasn't prepared for disingenuous entities undermining what he was trying to do, so limited their chances of digging the dirt. We all think that it was not good to make enemies of people that could help you, but the record of the Press for giving us a fair deal speaks for itself. As you say the one thing lacking was pushing the Brand, there was little attempt to make it a Commercial success, and the shirt saga was a disaster and nobody has worked out why it went so wrong. It would appear that NC preferred actions speaking louder than words, we all know it takes more than that especially in the 21st Century. IMO we are at a major turning point, it could go any way, onwards, status quo or back down where we came from, never forget that, there will be some major decisions made in the Summer, how will it go, I have no idea but being a Saints fan it is likely to be another Roller Coaster Ride for sure, enjoy it if you can. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 9

9:45am Thu 10 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us.

Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.
Spot on. Whatever he got paid was value for money and £2m in remuneration is only 1.5% of the value he created and about 2% of the profit it the club were sold for £150M.

Goal driven high achievers are rarely liked and many don't care if they aren't liked, they are in it for success and his success is our success. I didn't like his personality but speaking as someone who grew up with a football obsessed goal driven father who was successful at a semi-pro level, I can fully understand what made Cortese tick and I am pleased he pitched up at St Mary's when he did.

I can also understand why the ultimate shareholder would not be his biggest fan and that is why he has gone. As Seedhouse says we are probably at a watershed in terms of our value and investment strategy. It will cost to go forward, it will be dangerous to stand still and it would be profitable to sell. Only KL knows the answer to those questions.

STID
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us. Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever he got paid was value for money and £2m in remuneration is only 1.5% of the value he created and about 2% of the profit it the club were sold for £150M. Goal driven high achievers are rarely liked and many don't care if they aren't liked, they are in it for success and his success is our success. I didn't like his personality but speaking as someone who grew up with a football obsessed goal driven father who was successful at a semi-pro level, I can fully understand what made Cortese tick and I am pleased he pitched up at St Mary's when he did. I can also understand why the ultimate shareholder would not be his biggest fan and that is why he has gone. As Seedhouse says we are probably at a watershed in terms of our value and investment strategy. It will cost to go forward, it will be dangerous to stand still and it would be profitable to sell. Only KL knows the answer to those questions. STID george chivers
  • Score: 4

10:05am Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

george chivers wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us.

Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.
Spot on. Whatever he got paid was value for money and £2m in remuneration is only 1.5% of the value he created and about 2% of the profit it the club were sold for £150M.

Goal driven high achievers are rarely liked and many don't care if they aren't liked, they are in it for success and his success is our success. I didn't like his personality but speaking as someone who grew up with a football obsessed goal driven father who was successful at a semi-pro level, I can fully understand what made Cortese tick and I am pleased he pitched up at St Mary's when he did.

I can also understand why the ultimate shareholder would not be his biggest fan and that is why he has gone. As Seedhouse says we are probably at a watershed in terms of our value and investment strategy. It will cost to go forward, it will be dangerous to stand still and it would be profitable to sell. Only KL knows the answer to those questions.

STID
What short memories people have. Ask any supporters down at the basement end of league two if they would pay their chief exec £2mil a year and in three years time they would have a side stuffed full of internationals , playing some great football in the toughest league in the world. And actually competing against the top sides too. Our rise is pretty much unprecedented and it is down to NC and his vision. Fortunately he also had a very wealthy individual who he persuaded to invest. We were VERY lucky he came along when he did.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Love him or hate him he single handedly drove this club through three divisions in double quick time. Yes Markus's money was huge but sadly he was only with us for one season - the vision and drive was Cortese. Argue as much as you like but none of us will now find out how far he could have taken us. Kat has an intriguing position on her hands. The family bought the club for £14m and had a further £40m or so converted to equity so it 'owes' them £50-60m. All the independent figures bandied about seem to agree we are worth about £150m. In sensible business terms now is the time to exit - a massive profit and family worshipped for what they have done for our club. To stay and not invest will lead to a dwindling of value over time. To invest may not see a further increase in value, certainly risky. Personally I hope she stays -provided we invest.[/p][/quote]Spot on. Whatever he got paid was value for money and £2m in remuneration is only 1.5% of the value he created and about 2% of the profit it the club were sold for £150M. Goal driven high achievers are rarely liked and many don't care if they aren't liked, they are in it for success and his success is our success. I didn't like his personality but speaking as someone who grew up with a football obsessed goal driven father who was successful at a semi-pro level, I can fully understand what made Cortese tick and I am pleased he pitched up at St Mary's when he did. I can also understand why the ultimate shareholder would not be his biggest fan and that is why he has gone. As Seedhouse says we are probably at a watershed in terms of our value and investment strategy. It will cost to go forward, it will be dangerous to stand still and it would be profitable to sell. Only KL knows the answer to those questions. STID[/p][/quote]What short memories people have. Ask any supporters down at the basement end of league two if they would pay their chief exec £2mil a year and in three years time they would have a side stuffed full of internationals , playing some great football in the toughest league in the world. And actually competing against the top sides too. Our rise is pretty much unprecedented and it is down to NC and his vision. Fortunately he also had a very wealthy individual who he persuaded to invest. We were VERY lucky he came along when he did. Clever Dick
  • Score: 9

10:08am Thu 10 Apr 14

Confucious says...

Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in.

Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros.

However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people.

There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had.

Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them.
Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in. Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros. However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people. There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had. Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them. Confucious
  • Score: 5

10:20am Thu 10 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And how much does an ntire board cost?

The truth is Cortese ran the show.

Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees!

I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And how much does an ntire board cost? The truth is Cortese ran the show. Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees! I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez! Jesus_02
  • Score: 4

10:20am Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Confucious wrote:
Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in.

Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros.

However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people.

There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had.

Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them.
Thanks. I'll do it for £1.5mil
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in. Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros. However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people. There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had. Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them.[/p][/quote]Thanks. I'll do it for £1.5mil Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

10:27am Thu 10 Apr 14

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire says...

Remember
We were in danger of extinction.

NC sold the idea of the club to Markus
In 3 seasons he took us from League 1 basket cases to mid-table
(He might have done it in 2 seasons if we had been treated like the Pescophiles and not had a 10 point deduction)
He has developed the training facilities
He has had a strong youth policy that is paying dividends and is the envy on the footballing world
We are in our second season and are comfortably top half of the table

Yes he seems to have an awkward personality, but to achieve like this you have to be a certain type

I still say thank you Nicola for everything you did for my club
Remember We were in danger of extinction. NC sold the idea of the club to Markus In 3 seasons he took us from League 1 basket cases to mid-table (He might have done it in 2 seasons if we had been treated like the Pescophiles and not had a 10 point deduction) He has developed the training facilities He has had a strong youth policy that is paying dividends and is the envy on the footballing world We are in our second season and are comfortably top half of the table Yes he seems to have an awkward personality, but to achieve like this you have to be a certain type I still say thank you Nicola for everything you did for my club There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire
  • Score: 5

10:28am Thu 10 Apr 14

Jesus_02 says...

Personally speaking, if he came back with another backer promising european football I would take him back in a heartbeat. The man has always delivered. Worth it at twice the price.
Personally speaking, if he came back with another backer promising european football I would take him back in a heartbeat. The man has always delivered. Worth it at twice the price. Jesus_02
  • Score: 4

10:33am Thu 10 Apr 14

killared says...

bigfella777 wrote:
Everyone knew he was on 50k a week. Its old news
Having sh1t players like Rooney on 300k a week is madness.
Amen to that ! When I see Rooney earning 300k who he's more busy working on his Bald patch than scoring goals crazy ! Wayne Rooney the only Man who is bigger than Man U ! My friend who is a Man u fan and never set a foot at Old Trafford think he deserve the money ! I don't think he deserve 300k he will bankrupt the club
[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote: Everyone knew he was on 50k a week. Its old news Having sh1t players like Rooney on 300k a week is madness.[/p][/quote]Amen to that ! When I see Rooney earning 300k who he's more busy working on his Bald patch than scoring goals crazy ! Wayne Rooney the only Man who is bigger than Man U ! My friend who is a Man u fan and never set a foot at Old Trafford think he deserve the money ! I don't think he deserve 300k he will bankrupt the club killared
  • Score: 3

10:34am Thu 10 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

FORGET CORTESE FOR NOW !

When we sold Punch - we lost a few goals a season ( I will never forget his. Goal against Chelsea AWAY last season - coming back from 2-0 was a match to savour )

LOSING JROD - our Top scorer will leave a big void. Yes we have ADAM and RICKIE and the other players chip in when and where they can.

NEED THE TEAM TO STEP UP - and we will need goals from somewhere.
MAY need a loan Striker in the Summer and the Dani situation to resolve itself. I believe he has apologised.

REGARDING BOXING DAY - we dominated possession vs CARDIFF and the AWAY SUPPORTERS WERE AWESOME.

Cardiff are not down and out and are not to be underestimated.

COYR
FORGET CORTESE FOR NOW ! When we sold Punch - we lost a few goals a season ( I will never forget his. Goal against Chelsea AWAY last season - coming back from 2-0 was a match to savour ) LOSING JROD - our Top scorer will leave a big void. Yes we have ADAM and RICKIE and the other players chip in when and where they can. NEED THE TEAM TO STEP UP - and we will need goals from somewhere. MAY need a loan Striker in the Summer and the Dani situation to resolve itself. I believe he has apologised. REGARDING BOXING DAY - we dominated possession vs CARDIFF and the AWAY SUPPORTERS WERE AWESOME. Cardiff are not down and out and are not to be underestimated. COYR REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 13

10:41am Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I take it the answer is no!
No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base?
Couldn't even give us stripy shirts!
I think many people are trying to tell you, you just aren't listening.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I take it the answer is no! No one can tell me how cortèses in his 5 years tried to increase our fan base? Couldn't even give us stripy shirts![/p][/quote]I think many people are trying to tell you, you just aren't listening. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 3

10:57am Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And how much does an ntire board cost?

The truth is Cortese ran the show.

Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees!

I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez!
I wouldn't pay too much attention to the thumbs up or down thing.There are people who manipulate them.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And how much does an ntire board cost? The truth is Cortese ran the show. Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees! I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez![/p][/quote]I wouldn't pay too much attention to the thumbs up or down thing.There are people who manipulate them. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

11:06am Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Quote : So katharina has insulted her departed father by not giving him a new deal?

Where did this little gem of information come from?
Quote : So katharina has insulted her departed father by not giving him a new deal? Where did this little gem of information come from? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

11:09am Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire wrote:
Remember
We were in danger of extinction.

NC sold the idea of the club to Markus
In 3 seasons he took us from League 1 basket cases to mid-table
(He might have done it in 2 seasons if we had been treated like the Pescophiles and not had a 10 point deduction)
He has developed the training facilities
He has had a strong youth policy that is paying dividends and is the envy on the footballing world
We are in our second season and are comfortably top half of the table

Yes he seems to have an awkward personality, but to achieve like this you have to be a certain type

I still say thank you Nicola for everything you did for my club
I think it was his personaility which got us where we are. Quite simply he broke the mould in the football world.He took huge flak over a number of issues and was pretty much proven correct on every occasion. I'm not saying this would have carried on forever as everybody makes mistakes but our performance under his leadership was absolutely fantastic. He may not have been popular with the employees but the players seemed pretty happy with his vision for success. It would be nice to know what the vision is now. In fact it is probably quite criitical to the future direction of the club.
[quote][p][bold]There's only one 'H' in 'Ampshire[/bold] wrote: Remember We were in danger of extinction. NC sold the idea of the club to Markus In 3 seasons he took us from League 1 basket cases to mid-table (He might have done it in 2 seasons if we had been treated like the Pescophiles and not had a 10 point deduction) He has developed the training facilities He has had a strong youth policy that is paying dividends and is the envy on the footballing world We are in our second season and are comfortably top half of the table Yes he seems to have an awkward personality, but to achieve like this you have to be a certain type I still say thank you Nicola for everything you did for my club[/p][/quote]I think it was his personaility which got us where we are. Quite simply he broke the mould in the football world.He took huge flak over a number of issues and was pretty much proven correct on every occasion. I'm not saying this would have carried on forever as everybody makes mistakes but our performance under his leadership was absolutely fantastic. He may not have been popular with the employees but the players seemed pretty happy with his vision for success. It would be nice to know what the vision is now. In fact it is probably quite criitical to the future direction of the club. Clever Dick
  • Score: 1

11:12am Thu 10 Apr 14

george chivers says...

Confucious wrote:
Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in.

Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros.

However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people.

There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had.

Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them.
This kind of acerbic sarcastic comment is what makes these threads worth reading worth reading. For those of you who think Cortese was over paid and are happy he has gone please go to Southampton railway station now. The Schadenfreude Express is about to leave!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Of course, as the Echo well knows, the news that anyone has earned £2 million in a year will invite animated opprobrium from many - that's the world we live in. Indeed there's nothing more welcome and reassuring than the occasional news that a big lottery winner is terribly unhappy. Few people can really stand prosperity - that is, of course, it is somebody else's. Maybe that's why Robin Hood, who robbed the rich to give the poor, was one of our earliest national heros. However, one has to consider that if there hadn't been any rich people Robin would have been desperately short of work and all the world's robbers would have had to steal from the poor people. There aren't any more competitive businesses than football, where you rise or fall purely on performance. And the fact that the owner of Saints chose to give Nicola £2 million is neither here nor there to me. Nonetheless, my family season tickets, bought of my own free will under Nicola's reign, have provided just about the best value for money I've ever had. Despite this, of course there clearly are lots of very worthy people on here who, had they suddenly been offered £2m a year to do the job, would have haggled very hard to get the salary sharply reduced. I salute them.[/p][/quote]This kind of acerbic sarcastic comment is what makes these threads worth reading worth reading. For those of you who think Cortese was over paid and are happy he has gone please go to Southampton railway station now. The Schadenfreude Express is about to leave! george chivers
  • Score: 0

11:35am Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And how much does an ntire board cost?

The truth is Cortese ran the show.

Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees!

I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez!
I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment!
Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And how much does an ntire board cost? The truth is Cortese ran the show. Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees! I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez![/p][/quote]I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment! Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise. ghk230473
  • Score: 2

12:08pm Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And how much does an ntire board cost?

The truth is Cortese ran the show.

Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees!

I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez!
I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment!
Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise.
The problem here is that you think that NC should have been part of a popularity contest, he was a hard nosed businessman that didn't crave any personal attention, his desire to fulfil a mission overrode any attempt at winning hearts and minds, on the few occasions he spoke he always gave the impression that he supported the Club in his own way, he always cared about the results the same as any other fan, but didn't trumpet that fact out loud. I don't remember actually saying I liked NC as a person, I just appreciated what he did for us so will always be prepared to defend him, as he is unlikely to be able to defend himself.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And how much does an ntire board cost? The truth is Cortese ran the show. Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees! I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez![/p][/quote]I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment! Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise.[/p][/quote]The problem here is that you think that NC should have been part of a popularity contest, he was a hard nosed businessman that didn't crave any personal attention, his desire to fulfil a mission overrode any attempt at winning hearts and minds, on the few occasions he spoke he always gave the impression that he supported the Club in his own way, he always cared about the results the same as any other fan, but didn't trumpet that fact out loud. I don't remember actually saying I liked NC as a person, I just appreciated what he did for us so will always be prepared to defend him, as he is unlikely to be able to defend himself. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 4

12:14pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
And how much does an ntire board cost?

The truth is Cortese ran the show.

Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees!

I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez!
I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment!
Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise.
It was only a good investment because Cortese made it so. You can go on about money but we didn't really spend much getting promoted and football is full of those who spent much more but ended up failing - Portsmouth and Leeds for example.

I've just had my Skate Mug Easter Egg delivered, it's awesome!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]And how much does an ntire board cost? The truth is Cortese ran the show. Only in football can we find it incredulous that the Chairman earns more than the employees! I cant believe that you had so many thumbs up after saying that our fans are poor and only turn up to watch Roonay and Suarez![/p][/quote]I'm not saying our fans are poor, far from it but our fan base is small. Let's agree to disagree. I agree cortèse played a part, may have sold the idea to Markus however it was a bloody good investment! Did cortèse get the job done with any class? I think otherwise.[/p][/quote]It was only a good investment because Cortese made it so. You can go on about money but we didn't really spend much getting promoted and football is full of those who spent much more but ended up failing - Portsmouth and Leeds for example. I've just had my Skate Mug Easter Egg delivered, it's awesome! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 8

12:59pm Thu 10 Apr 14

weall8leedscum says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Buddy SFC wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow..........

With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC !
Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?
Promotion !
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buddy SFC[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]The Fan Base doesn't change in 5 minutes , or even 5 years .......... Southampton is a small CITY and with the demise of of the Blue few more and more youngsters will grow up 'RED and WHITE' ........ That's when the fan base will grow.......... With the right infrastructure, training ground etc and the family committed to the next few years , which we will find out in the Summer with Poch , Luke , Adam etc etc the clubs roots will grow. Whether your a fan or not 'THE DON' was instrumental in that growth and bringing Southampton back where they belong ........... Thank you ML, KL and NC ![/p][/quote]Ok then buddy, under NC what actions were put into place to increase our fan base?[/p][/quote]Promotion ! weall8leedscum
  • Score: 9

1:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

worried of n e hampshire says...

X2
X2 worried of n e hampshire
  • Score: 1

1:26pm Thu 10 Apr 14

angus mc coatup says...

Who cares what he earned, he's long gone now. someone, somewhere, in the Liebherr Corporation sanctioned his earnings and whether you agree or not with such a large salary that's what he was paid. If it was performance related pay, then imo he was worth that, and more. So thank you mister cortese.......But someone else is driving the bus now, just hope he knows where he's going.........
onwards and upwards !
Who cares what he earned, he's long gone now. someone, somewhere, in the Liebherr Corporation sanctioned his earnings and whether you agree or not with such a large salary that's what he was paid. If it was performance related pay, then imo he was worth that, and more. So thank you mister cortese.......But someone else is driving the bus now, just hope he knows where he's going......... onwards and upwards ! angus mc coatup
  • Score: 1

1:53pm Thu 10 Apr 14

lowe esteem says...

All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton. lowe esteem
  • Score: -7

2:35pm Thu 10 Apr 14

REDARMYRULETHESOUTH says...

Like to see SAM - RICKIE IN THE HOLE - AND ADAM let loose blasting in goals against Cardiff.

We will dominate posession and must take our chances.

POCHETTINO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY.....
Like to see SAM - RICKIE IN THE HOLE - AND ADAM let loose blasting in goals against Cardiff. We will dominate posession and must take our chances. POCHETTINO'S RED AND WHITE ARMY..... REDARMYRULETHESOUTH
  • Score: 4

4:48pm Thu 10 Apr 14

F Fan says...

ghk230473 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese.
You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions?
These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club.
As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC
I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000!
Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams.
Geting us from League 1 to the PL doubled the average gate.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]If you were to have that 'argument' you would lose! Liebherr always had the money and would have kept it or invested it elsewhere had it not been for Cortese. You seem to neglect the fact that Saints needed re-building, do you think global appeal comes overnight? Have you never seen empty seats at other Premier league grounds against unfashionable teams in other competitions? These empty seats say more about ticket pricing for the game as a whole, not what Cortese has done specifically for the club. As a footnote, my opinion is that the wealth distribution in the upper echelons of the game is pretty obscene, but that doesn't call into question the impact that Cortese had in the re-birth and development of Southampton FC[/p][/quote]I compared our league cup game with one Liverpool had back in January, Liverpool, Liverpool sold out nearly, 44000. We had 15,000! Same question to you as to buddy, under cortèse what actions were put in place to increase our fan base? Even evil' Lowe made the club affordable to kids by offering deals to local mini soccer teams.[/p][/quote]Geting us from League 1 to the PL doubled the average gate. F Fan
  • Score: 6

4:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

4:57pm Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

5:02pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

5:22pm Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

It would appear as Manure lost, our Everton home game will be 12:45 ko on the planned Saturday, and is on BT.
It would appear as Manure lost, our Everton home game will be 12:45 ko on the planned Saturday, and is on BT. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Thu 10 Apr 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

After these reports it's quite clear why Cortese turned down the chance of going to AC Milan..............!
!! #MONEY not because we were his baby that's for sure! Otherwise he would still be here today!

Good riddance, greedy ****!
After these reports it's quite clear why Cortese turned down the chance of going to AC Milan..............! !! #MONEY not because we were his baby that's for sure! Otherwise he would still be here today! Good riddance, greedy ****! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: -10

5:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Gosport Red and White says...

ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
Well I'm glad somebody talks some sense. Too many Saints supporters seem to thjnk its OK that this carpet-bagger ran off with a ridiculous salary, left us with a difficult financial situation and two vastly overpaid liabilities in Ramirez and Osvaldo who clearly have no commitment to the Club or its supporters. Add to that his arrogant disregard of Saints history and former players (none of whom received payments anything like his). Let's hope we shall see a return to red and white stripes next season and focus on young players who have been brought up the right way. I suggest the Club never spends more than £1m on a future transfer - what's wrong with Lambert, Fonte, Schneiderlein and Cork? Then the remainder of the funds can be spent on retaining the services of young British players.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]Well I'm glad somebody talks some sense. Too many Saints supporters seem to thjnk its OK that this carpet-bagger ran off with a ridiculous salary, left us with a difficult financial situation and two vastly overpaid liabilities in Ramirez and Osvaldo who clearly have no commitment to the Club or its supporters. Add to that his arrogant disregard of Saints history and former players (none of whom received payments anything like his). Let's hope we shall see a return to red and white stripes next season and focus on young players who have been brought up the right way. I suggest the Club never spends more than £1m on a future transfer - what's wrong with Lambert, Fonte, Schneiderlein and Cork? Then the remainder of the funds can be spent on retaining the services of young British players. Gosport Red and White
  • Score: -8

6:50pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Gosport Red and White wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina!
At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke!
Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.
Well I'm glad somebody talks some sense. Too many Saints supporters seem to thjnk its OK that this carpet-bagger ran off with a ridiculous salary, left us with a difficult financial situation and two vastly overpaid liabilities in Ramirez and Osvaldo who clearly have no commitment to the Club or its supporters. Add to that his arrogant disregard of Saints history and former players (none of whom received payments anything like his). Let's hope we shall see a return to red and white stripes next season and focus on young players who have been brought up the right way. I suggest the Club never spends more than £1m on a future transfer - what's wrong with Lambert, Fonte, Schneiderlein and Cork? Then the remainder of the funds can be spent on retaining the services of young British players.
Yeah. Let's go back to league one as well shall we.
[quote][p][bold]Gosport Red and White[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: I can tell you one person who didn't think he was worth it, Katharina! At least dick Turpin wore a mask, what a cheeky fukca! Arrogance IMO doesn't even touch it, earning more a week than some of the players. He divided fans and rather use the media wisely he alienated them! A shrewd person would have raised our profile and fan base. Premier league games yes we sell out but what about against lesser opposition? When we play in league and fa cup where are the fans then? Truth is we haven't got a fan base like Liverpool, man utd etc, our fans come to watch the Rooney's, Suarez, etc. A good example of that is the attendance figures against Norwich and stoke! Glad he's gone and I would argue with any one who says we're only here because of him, admittedly he played a part but Markus money played a more influential one.[/p][/quote]Well I'm glad somebody talks some sense. Too many Saints supporters seem to thjnk its OK that this carpet-bagger ran off with a ridiculous salary, left us with a difficult financial situation and two vastly overpaid liabilities in Ramirez and Osvaldo who clearly have no commitment to the Club or its supporters. Add to that his arrogant disregard of Saints history and former players (none of whom received payments anything like his). Let's hope we shall see a return to red and white stripes next season and focus on young players who have been brought up the right way. I suggest the Club never spends more than £1m on a future transfer - what's wrong with Lambert, Fonte, Schneiderlein and Cork? Then the remainder of the funds can be spent on retaining the services of young British players.[/p][/quote]Yeah. Let's go back to league one as well shall we. Clever Dick
  • Score: 5

7:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Stroppy_gramps says...

poor assassination attempt by the DE. Nice of the DE to try to stick the knife in now that Cortese is gone. feeble attempt at revenge?

regardless of what he earned, Cortese did the right thing for the club.

oh and his salary would have HAD to have been approved by the Liebherr family.

so hows about we just leave it here and stop talking about the past? What Cortese did or didn't earn is entirely irrelevant. what matters is the fantastic position we are in right now both in the league and in terms of our finances.

trust me - we're doing absolutely fine. Hans said the words - 'we don't need to sell' so it's beyond me why anyone is panicking.
poor assassination attempt by the DE. Nice of the DE to try to stick the knife in now that Cortese is gone. feeble attempt at revenge? regardless of what he earned, Cortese did the right thing for the club. oh and his salary would have HAD to have been approved by the Liebherr family. so hows about we just leave it here and stop talking about the past? What Cortese did or didn't earn is entirely irrelevant. what matters is the fantastic position we are in right now both in the league and in terms of our finances. trust me - we're doing absolutely fine. Hans said the words - 'we don't need to sell' so it's beyond me why anyone is panicking. Stroppy_gramps
  • Score: 0

8:04pm Thu 10 Apr 14

angus mc coatup says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us........... angus mc coatup
  • Score: 2

8:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

The old argument that "he did it with someone else's money" is a cop out! Of course it was someone else's money, but money that would never have come to Southampton without NC! ML wasn't looking to invest in a football club, NC persuaded him it was a good investment, ML trusted NC with his money and took the gamble and brought us out. No one else was going to, we were hours from going out of business! ML put NC in charge, to run the club as he saw fit, and KL has said that she WANTED HIM TO STAY, NC didn't want to, so the argument that she didn't trust or want him is also false!
NC drove the club toward the prem with his vision and single mindedness, he wouldn't accept 2nd best from anyone, and the sheer fact that he got the club back into the prem and then appointed MP has risen our profile and standing. This has increased the fan base at home and abroad.
NC might have upset a few people along the way but some of them needed to be upset and his methods have given us success, you don't have to like his methods, but if you want to criticise at least have some substance to your arguments, not just guess work.
Leeds, Forrest, Blackburn are bigger clubs or as big than us and would love to be in our current position, there are lots of clubs bigger and smaller than us who have fallen out of the prem and Even with money they have failed to get back. So don't think it was just because we had money that we got back!
I do wonder whether some of our fans would be happier if we were struggling in the lower leagues rather than have had NC in charge.
The old argument that "he did it with someone else's money" is a cop out! Of course it was someone else's money, but money that would never have come to Southampton without NC! ML wasn't looking to invest in a football club, NC persuaded him it was a good investment, ML trusted NC with his money and took the gamble and brought us out. No one else was going to, we were hours from going out of business! ML put NC in charge, to run the club as he saw fit, and KL has said that she WANTED HIM TO STAY, NC didn't want to, so the argument that she didn't trust or want him is also false! NC drove the club toward the prem with his vision and single mindedness, he wouldn't accept 2nd best from anyone, and the sheer fact that he got the club back into the prem and then appointed MP has risen our profile and standing. This has increased the fan base at home and abroad. NC might have upset a few people along the way but some of them needed to be upset and his methods have given us success, you don't have to like his methods, but if you want to criticise at least have some substance to your arguments, not just guess work. Leeds, Forrest, Blackburn are bigger clubs or as big than us and would love to be in our current position, there are lots of clubs bigger and smaller than us who have fallen out of the prem and Even with money they have failed to get back. So don't think it was just because we had money that we got back! I do wonder whether some of our fans would be happier if we were struggling in the lower leagues rather than have had NC in charge. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 2

8:17pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

Stroppy_gramps wrote:
poor assassination attempt by the DE. Nice of the DE to try to stick the knife in now that Cortese is gone. feeble attempt at revenge?

regardless of what he earned, Cortese did the right thing for the club.

oh and his salary would have HAD to have been approved by the Liebherr family.

so hows about we just leave it here and stop talking about the past? What Cortese did or didn't earn is entirely irrelevant. what matters is the fantastic position we are in right now both in the league and in terms of our finances.

trust me - we're doing absolutely fine. Hans said the words - 'we don't need to sell' so it's beyond me why anyone is panicking.
It really is beyond me how ungrateful some people can be. Here we are a paltry £27 mil in debt and we have a current squad worth around £200million. We are in the top league in the world, with a great side playing great football. That's down to the vision of NC and the Liebherr money. OK the training ground went over budget. It happens. The board are probably warning about the financial situation in order to dampen our expectations a little after three fantastically successful years. Our near vertical rise cannot continue at this rate. As you say we have been told there is no need to sell any player we want to keep. I suspect the odd few will have their heads turned but they will only move on for very large fees, so will be replaced. Thank you NC for your vision. Onwards and upwards.
[quote][p][bold]Stroppy_gramps[/bold] wrote: poor assassination attempt by the DE. Nice of the DE to try to stick the knife in now that Cortese is gone. feeble attempt at revenge? regardless of what he earned, Cortese did the right thing for the club. oh and his salary would have HAD to have been approved by the Liebherr family. so hows about we just leave it here and stop talking about the past? What Cortese did or didn't earn is entirely irrelevant. what matters is the fantastic position we are in right now both in the league and in terms of our finances. trust me - we're doing absolutely fine. Hans said the words - 'we don't need to sell' so it's beyond me why anyone is panicking.[/p][/quote]It really is beyond me how ungrateful some people can be. Here we are a paltry £27 mil in debt and we have a current squad worth around £200million. We are in the top league in the world, with a great side playing great football. That's down to the vision of NC and the Liebherr money. OK the training ground went over budget. It happens. The board are probably warning about the financial situation in order to dampen our expectations a little after three fantastically successful years. Our near vertical rise cannot continue at this rate. As you say we have been told there is no need to sell any player we want to keep. I suspect the odd few will have their heads turned but they will only move on for very large fees, so will be replaced. Thank you NC for your vision. Onwards and upwards. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

8:38pm Thu 10 Apr 14

dadofmy3sons says...

All of you seem to have missed a point that Cortese made.
Once again the Echo chooses to dish the dirt rather than praise their local football club.
It cannot leave this story alone despite the many comments telling them they are wrong.
He is a hard headed businessman, the very type that was needed to take a failing football club on the brink of disaster and turn it round.
Have a look at L2,L1 + Championship and you will find several examples of clubs who have been bought by moneybags and had promises made that didn't materialise.
I don't see how anyone could like the man with the aura that he presented, but I personally admire what he achieved and am grateful for all he achieved.
My club is in the Premier League, 8th !
I remember when we languished in the third tier and had ten points deducted, but then I probably have a better memory than some, because I was there.

So was Cortese.
Yes he got paid a lot, so what?
All of you seem to have missed a point that Cortese made. Once again the Echo chooses to dish the dirt rather than praise their local football club. It cannot leave this story alone despite the many comments telling them they are wrong. He is a hard headed businessman, the very type that was needed to take a failing football club on the brink of disaster and turn it round. Have a look at L2,L1 + Championship and you will find several examples of clubs who have been bought by moneybags and had promises made that didn't materialise. I don't see how anyone could like the man with the aura that he presented, but I personally admire what he achieved and am grateful for all he achieved. My club is in the Premier League, 8th ! I remember when we languished in the third tier and had ten points deducted, but then I probably have a better memory than some, because I was there. So was Cortese. Yes he got paid a lot, so what? dadofmy3sons
  • Score: 3

8:49pm Thu 10 Apr 14

miltonnroad76 says...

Hoping osvaldo gets on the pitch for juve and scores coz we dont want him back
Hoping osvaldo gets on the pitch for juve and scores coz we dont want him back miltonnroad76
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

dadofmy3sons wrote:
All of you seem to have missed a point that Cortese made.
Once again the Echo chooses to dish the dirt rather than praise their local football club.
It cannot leave this story alone despite the many comments telling them they are wrong.
He is a hard headed businessman, the very type that was needed to take a failing football club on the brink of disaster and turn it round.
Have a look at L2,L1 + Championship and you will find several examples of clubs who have been bought by moneybags and had promises made that didn't materialise.
I don't see how anyone could like the man with the aura that he presented, but I personally admire what he achieved and am grateful for all he achieved.
My club is in the Premier League, 8th !
I remember when we languished in the third tier and had ten points deducted, but then I probably have a better memory than some, because I was there.

So was Cortese.
Yes he got paid a lot, so what?
Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote: All of you seem to have missed a point that Cortese made. Once again the Echo chooses to dish the dirt rather than praise their local football club. It cannot leave this story alone despite the many comments telling them they are wrong. He is a hard headed businessman, the very type that was needed to take a failing football club on the brink of disaster and turn it round. Have a look at L2,L1 + Championship and you will find several examples of clubs who have been bought by moneybags and had promises made that didn't materialise. I don't see how anyone could like the man with the aura that he presented, but I personally admire what he achieved and am grateful for all he achieved. My club is in the Premier League, 8th ! I remember when we languished in the third tier and had ten points deducted, but then I probably have a better memory than some, because I was there. So was Cortese. Yes he got paid a lot, so what?[/p][/quote]Spot on. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 2

9:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

ghk230473 says...

Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs! ghk230473
  • Score: -3

9:45pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
At last you are beginning to understand. The fact that we had the stadium and the training facilities are exactly why we were such an attractive investment. That's why Nicola Cortese as an astute business man persuaded Marcus to make the investment. You may have a short memory but there wasn't a huge queue waiting to buy the club. Just Marcus and the MLT syndicate which was nothing short of a joke. Without ML AND NC there would now be no SFC.
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs![/p][/quote]At last you are beginning to understand. The fact that we had the stadium and the training facilities are exactly why we were such an attractive investment. That's why Nicola Cortese as an astute business man persuaded Marcus to make the investment. You may have a short memory but there wasn't a huge queue waiting to buy the club. Just Marcus and the MLT syndicate which was nothing short of a joke. Without ML AND NC there would now be no SFC. Clever Dick
  • Score: 6

9:46pm Thu 10 Apr 14

slugger says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ! slugger
  • Score: 3

9:51pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 4

9:52pm Thu 10 Apr 14

slugger says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
You do like a row don't you ............ If it weren't for Nicola we'd be toast , FACT!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs![/p][/quote]You do like a row don't you ............ If it weren't for Nicola we'd be toast , FACT! slugger
  • Score: 3

9:55pm Thu 10 Apr 14

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.
You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position !
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.[/p][/quote]You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position ! slugger
  • Score: 3

10:05pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Strasbourg Saint says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
You don't like Cortese much, do you?
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs![/p][/quote]You don't like Cortese much, do you? Strasbourg Saint
  • Score: 4

10:07pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.
You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position !
Well perhaps Nicola would like a new challenge. Now the first thing to look at are the assets. Now first there is Nottarf , a tumbledown shack not fit for the Conference. Let's move on. Next to consider is the training facilities. OK best forget that. The academy. Best forget that too. So the prime assets must be the players then. Hmmmmmm. You were right Nicola Saints were a slightly better bet.
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.[/p][/quote]You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position ![/p][/quote]Well perhaps Nicola would like a new challenge. Now the first thing to look at are the assets. Now first there is Nottarf , a tumbledown shack not fit for the Conference. Let's move on. Next to consider is the training facilities. OK best forget that. The academy. Best forget that too. So the prime assets must be the players then. Hmmmmmm. You were right Nicola Saints were a slightly better bet. Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

10:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.
You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position !
Don't worry they've got those really nice Truss people to keep them there. They didn't get a hard nosed git like Cortese to drag them off to the Prem - lucky lucky bastards!
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.[/p][/quote]You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position ![/p][/quote]Don't worry they've got those really nice Truss people to keep them there. They didn't get a hard nosed git like Cortese to drag them off to the Prem - lucky lucky bastards! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

10:16pm Thu 10 Apr 14

slugger says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.
You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position !
Don't worry they've got those really nice Truss people to keep them there. They didn't get a hard nosed git like Cortese to drag them off to the Prem - lucky lucky bastards!
Aren't they just , I can now see why they take the mick ........ I wish we were them .
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Well it's hard to get more than two promotions to be fair. Unless you were in League Two of course, but thats silly, no proper club would ever go that low.[/p][/quote]You have me worried now Seed ........ Poorpey could indeed usurp us by gaining 3 consecutive promotions .......... I wish we were in that position ![/p][/quote]Don't worry they've got those really nice Truss people to keep them there. They didn't get a hard nosed git like Cortese to drag them off to the Prem - lucky lucky bastards![/p][/quote]Aren't they just , I can now see why they take the mick ........ I wish we were them . slugger
  • Score: 2

10:28pm Thu 10 Apr 14

angus mc coatup says...

slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!..... angus mc coatup
  • Score: 4

10:32pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
SPLITTER!
[quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs![/p][/quote]SPLITTER! Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

10:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

slugger says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
Brought peace ?
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!.....[/p][/quote]Brought peace ? slugger
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Clever Dick says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
Well he got all those great looking girls in to up the programme sales. I've bought one ever since. Masterstroke!
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!.....[/p][/quote]Well he got all those great looking girls in to up the programme sales. I've bought one ever since. Masterstroke! Clever Dick
  • Score: 2

11:11pm Thu 10 Apr 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
Brought peace ?
Brought or bought?
[quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!.....[/p][/quote]Brought peace ?[/p][/quote]Brought or bought? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

10:52am Fri 11 Apr 14

Beer Monster says...

Clever Dick wrote:
ghk230473 wrote:
Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero?
We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!!
Let's name the stadium after cortèse!
FFs!
At last you are beginning to understand. The fact that we had the stadium and the training facilities are exactly why we were such an attractive investment. That's why Nicola Cortese as an astute business man persuaded Marcus to make the investment. You may have a short memory but there wasn't a huge queue waiting to buy the club. Just Marcus and the MLT syndicate which was nothing short of a joke. Without ML AND NC there would now be no SFC.
Or if you would prefer not to demonise NC quite so much - stretch your memories a bit further back, and we could have been owned by SISU, which has done Coventry the world of good, hasn't it?
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ghk230473[/bold] wrote: Lmfao.., are we saints fans that desperate for a hero? We had nothing until the great cortèse persuaded Markus to invest in us, no stadium or traing ground!!! Let's name the stadium after cortèse! FFs![/p][/quote]At last you are beginning to understand. The fact that we had the stadium and the training facilities are exactly why we were such an attractive investment. That's why Nicola Cortese as an astute business man persuaded Marcus to make the investment. You may have a short memory but there wasn't a huge queue waiting to buy the club. Just Marcus and the MLT syndicate which was nothing short of a joke. Without ML AND NC there would now be no SFC.[/p][/quote]Or if you would prefer not to demonise NC quite so much - stretch your memories a bit further back, and we could have been owned by SISU, which has done Coventry the world of good, hasn't it? Beer Monster
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Fri 11 Apr 14

lowe esteem says...

angus mc coatup wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
Did all that SINGLEHANDEDLY too...according to some...so he's worth any amount of dosh you care to mention.
Back in the real world, I'd still rather trust KL and family/ company to continue to take us forward.
The patronising lionisation of NC is becoming more nauseating than the alleged demonising or even the self-aggrandising of R Lowe. I am beginning to wonder whether some on here think they should be writing NC's propaganda. Now I'm sure he doesn't need you, but you could still pop off and look for him- find out what your sharp-suited hero is up to- while the rest of us move on with supporting our club.
[quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!.....[/p][/quote]Did all that SINGLEHANDEDLY too...according to some...so he's worth any amount of dosh you care to mention. Back in the real world, I'd still rather trust KL and family/ company to continue to take us forward. The patronising lionisation of NC is becoming more nauseating than the alleged demonising or even the self-aggrandising of R Lowe. I am beginning to wonder whether some on here think they should be writing NC's propaganda. Now I'm sure he doesn't need you, but you could still pop off and look for him- find out what your sharp-suited hero is up to- while the rest of us move on with supporting our club. lowe esteem
  • Score: -1

4:51pm Fri 11 Apr 14

el caballo santos101 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
slugger wrote:
angus mc coatup wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
lowe esteem wrote:
All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss.
There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress.
If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters.
The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins.
Support them, support Southampton.
Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.
He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.
Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?
It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.
Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........
Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans !
Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back.

What's he ever done for us.!.....
Did all that SINGLEHANDEDLY too...according to some...so he's worth any amount of dosh you care to mention.
Back in the real world, I'd still rather trust KL and family/ company to continue to take us forward.
The patronising lionisation of NC is becoming more nauseating than the alleged demonising or even the self-aggrandising of R Lowe. I am beginning to wonder whether some on here think they should be writing NC's propaganda. Now I'm sure he doesn't need you, but you could still pop off and look for him- find out what your sharp-suited hero is up to- while the rest of us move on with supporting our club.
yes move on and support the club that would either not be here or would be in L1/L2 if NC hadn't turned up. some people really do need to get a grip and get facts right! you would rather trust KL? well she has already said that she wanted NC to stay and was upset that he left! so would you have trusted her if NC had stayed? no you would be moaning about her and NC. you don't have to like how he got things done, but you have to admit that he had to make some tough decisions, and got the vast majority right.
I still think that some of you would rather we were down in L1/L2 just so you could have the `stripes` and the old programme sellers, oh and a manager like barker!
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]slugger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]angus mc coatup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: All these sycophants who give Cortese 'singlehanded' credit for what happened are suffering from blurred vision and short term memory loss. There are a lot of positives coming together that contribute to our 'success' and we should never lose sight of these if we are to continue to progress. If some of you who swallow this 'hard nosed' approach that sees us brazenly ditch Premier quality managers in the name of the best interests of the club were true to this dogma then you'd be off lapping up whatever Messrs Lowe, Cortese et al are doing these days. Me, I couldn't care less, I prefer the football, and football people, and I'd just as soon wish the two Nigel's well (Pearson and Adkins) than care anymore about the other two shysters. The fact that one (shyster no2) was considerably more successful than the other should resonate, particularly as the family and organisation that employed him are still firmly at the reins. Support them, support Southampton.[/p][/quote]Only The Borer ever used the term shyster, I lost the plot here, just name the shysters and perhaps I will understand your point.[/p][/quote]He has named them - Lowe and Cortese.[/p][/quote]Thanks, I guess all our Directors/CEOs will be labelled that as time passes by?[/p][/quote]It would appear so. Lowe was a numpty but delivered St Mary's and pushed the academy forward with development at Staplewood. Cortese wasn't very chummy but persuaded a billionaire to buy us and then dragged us from Div1 to the Prem and invested very heavily in the academy. No pleasing some I suppose.[/p][/quote]Yeah ! What have Italian bankers ever done for us...........[/p][/quote]Two promotions ? ........... Bloody romans ![/p][/quote]Ok then, apart from convincing Markus to buy us, Winning the JPT, getting in Pardew ,getting in the unforgettable mr Adkins, getting promotion from league two, getting promotion from the championship, investing heavily in the academy, restructuring the whole club from top to bottom, setting out the " Southampton way". recruiting Mopo, who has guided us into the top echelons of the prem. And given Saints fans their pride back. What's he ever done for us.!.....[/p][/quote]Did all that SINGLEHANDEDLY too...according to some...so he's worth any amount of dosh you care to mention. Back in the real world, I'd still rather trust KL and family/ company to continue to take us forward. The patronising lionisation of NC is becoming more nauseating than the alleged demonising or even the self-aggrandising of R Lowe. I am beginning to wonder whether some on here think they should be writing NC's propaganda. Now I'm sure he doesn't need you, but you could still pop off and look for him- find out what your sharp-suited hero is up to- while the rest of us move on with supporting our club.[/p][/quote]yes move on and support the club that would either not be here or would be in L1/L2 if NC hadn't turned up. some people really do need to get a grip and get facts right! you would rather trust KL? well she has already said that she wanted NC to stay and was upset that he left! so would you have trusted her if NC had stayed? no you would be moaning about her and NC. you don't have to like how he got things done, but you have to admit that he had to make some tough decisions, and got the vast majority right. I still think that some of you would rather we were down in L1/L2 just so you could have the `stripes` and the old programme sellers, oh and a manager like barker! el caballo santos101
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