Lallana and Shaw tell Saints they want to leave this summer

Daily Echo: Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw want to leave Saints this summer Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw want to leave Saints this summer

Adam Lallana and Luke Shaw have both told Saints they want to move this summer.

But they both look set to remain as Saints players going into the World Cup with the club resisting their desire to be sold.

Lallana is the subject of a ‘take it or leave it’ £25m bid from Liverpool, while Manchester United have already lodged a £27m approach for Shaw.

Both players are understood to have informed Saints of their wishes to speak with the respective clubs about a switch.

Ideally, they would like the opportunity to do so before departing for Brazil next weekend – although they have not submitted formal transfer requests.

Lallana, though, is reportedly unhappy that Saints didn't return his calls last weekend as he tried to engineer talks with Liverpool.

Saints have now publicly declared that they intend to stand firm when it comes to their futures.

The club do not want to conduct any transfer dealings until a replacement for Mauricio Pochettino is appointed, saying they only allowed Rickie Lambert to leave for Liverpool yesterday as they felt that was a special case.

Saints are confident they are in a stronger position when it comes to Lallana and Shaw, and would also like to hold off until after the World Cup, knowing that there is strong interest in both and that, if they do have to sell them, their values could increase during the tournament.

Lallana and Shaw would both like their futures sorted before the World Cup begins, in which case a deal would need to be struck this week.

England, who are currently on a training camp in Miami, play warm-up matches against Ecuador and Honduras over the coming days, before they are due to arrive in Brazil on Sunday.

The national team manager, Roy Hodgson, has said he will allow clubs to fly staff out to Florida to conduct medicals, if necessary, as long as it is on the players’ free time.

But, while not certain, there is an increasing sense that such a point will not be reached with Lallana or Shaw, and both would be reluctant to take the step of handing in a formal transfer request - as Wayne Bridge was forced to do back in the summer of 2003.

From Saints’ point of view, the obvious downside to retaining the two players for now is that, should they be sold later this summer, as seems increasingly likely, it would reduce the time the club has to buy replacements, which could impact on their own pre-season preparations.

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7:45am Tue 3 Jun 14

JohnItaly says...

I trust the Club will insist they put their requests in writing.
I trust the Club will insist they put their requests in writing. JohnItaly
  • Score: 66

7:52am Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool Jesus_02
  • Score: 32

7:53am Tue 3 Jun 14

adams74 says...

Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!!
Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!! adams74
  • Score: 71

7:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

boilerman says...

Like Wayne Bridge was forced to do !
If they want a transfer have the balls to ask for one, don't make out that Saints are just cashing in.
If we are going to lose them we should stand firm and ask for £70 million for the pair.
It does make me sick how the big clubs and their media buddies are doing a great job of trying to destroy an up and coming club.
Like Wayne Bridge was forced to do ! If they want a transfer have the balls to ask for one, don't make out that Saints are just cashing in. If we are going to lose them we should stand firm and ask for £70 million for the pair. It does make me sick how the big clubs and their media buddies are doing a great job of trying to destroy an up and coming club. boilerman
  • Score: 131

7:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

SodburySaint93 says...

I suppose this was inevitable following 5 years of success.

I don't like it but have to live with the fact players will be approached who have shown what they are capable of.

Good luck to them and thanks for the service.

Perhaps the board should ask the rest of the players on a show of hands "want to leave" or "want to stay".

Sorry for being negative, but feel a bit depressed over the issues that have taken place in the last 2 weeks or so.
I suppose this was inevitable following 5 years of success. I don't like it but have to live with the fact players will be approached who have shown what they are capable of. Good luck to them and thanks for the service. Perhaps the board should ask the rest of the players on a show of hands "want to leave" or "want to stay". Sorry for being negative, but feel a bit depressed over the issues that have taken place in the last 2 weeks or so. SodburySaint93
  • Score: 5

7:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

FleetSaint says...

I think we all know that Lallana and Shaw will go. But as the club is stating, and rightly so, they are in charge. Why should they just let their best talent go? If we sell without a transfer request then we have to pay up their contracts. If they choose to leave then they forego that right. They have long contracts so the club won't just roll over and take the money whilst losing most of it to the player.

It is a matter of time and negotiation before they go. This is a new Saints. New board, new team, new manager. Next season will still be great but different. Different "Good" or Different "Bad" we will have to see.
I think we all know that Lallana and Shaw will go. But as the club is stating, and rightly so, they are in charge. Why should they just let their best talent go? If we sell without a transfer request then we have to pay up their contracts. If they choose to leave then they forego that right. They have long contracts so the club won't just roll over and take the money whilst losing most of it to the player. It is a matter of time and negotiation before they go. This is a new Saints. New board, new team, new manager. Next season will still be great but different. Different "Good" or Different "Bad" we will have to see. FleetSaint
  • Score: 94

8:01am Tue 3 Jun 14

GX Saint says...

If these young men want to resolve their futures before the World Cup, perhaps they regret putting pen to paper on contract extensions. They can't have it both ways. Get your heads down and focus on England. Whoever Saints appoint as manager I can't see the board not taking the £50m+ on offer for these two - they just need a manager in place to share the blame.
If these young men want to resolve their futures before the World Cup, perhaps they regret putting pen to paper on contract extensions. They can't have it both ways. Get your heads down and focus on England. Whoever Saints appoint as manager I can't see the board not taking the £50m+ on offer for these two - they just need a manager in place to share the blame. GX Saint
  • Score: 33

8:03am Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.
Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another. Jesus_02
  • Score: 70

8:06am Tue 3 Jun 14

jezza says...

Maybe Mark Clattenburg was right after all - perhaps Adam has changed since he received his England call-up!!

Shame for us, but I still wish him well. He stayed loyal when it really mattered, and it must be hard to resist the amounts of cash being offered.

As others have said, if we hold out for the good money and then re-invest it in the team, we'll be fine and so will they. Win win.

COYR STID
Maybe Mark Clattenburg was right after all - perhaps Adam has changed since he received his England call-up!! Shame for us, but I still wish him well. He stayed loyal when it really mattered, and it must be hard to resist the amounts of cash being offered. As others have said, if we hold out for the good money and then re-invest it in the team, we'll be fine and so will they. Win win. COYR STID jezza
  • Score: 84

8:09am Tue 3 Jun 14

Little Hitler says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.
I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year.

Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.[/p][/quote]I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year. Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms. Little Hitler
  • Score: 73

8:10am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

adams74 wrote:
Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!!
That's what I have been saying all along.
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!![/p][/quote]That's what I have been saying all along. Saint Jinx
  • Score: 36

8:11am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

boilerman wrote:
Like Wayne Bridge was forced to do !
If they want a transfer have the balls to ask for one, don't make out that Saints are just cashing in.
If we are going to lose them we should stand firm and ask for £70 million for the pair.
It does make me sick how the big clubs and their media buddies are doing a great job of trying to destroy an up and coming club.
Glad everyone can see it!
[quote][p][bold]boilerman[/bold] wrote: Like Wayne Bridge was forced to do ! If they want a transfer have the balls to ask for one, don't make out that Saints are just cashing in. If we are going to lose them we should stand firm and ask for £70 million for the pair. It does make me sick how the big clubs and their media buddies are doing a great job of trying to destroy an up and coming club.[/p][/quote]Glad everyone can see it! Saint Jinx
  • Score: 35

8:11am Tue 3 Jun 14

saintinpattaya says...

We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale.
We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale. saintinpattaya
  • Score: 51

8:13am Tue 3 Jun 14

andoru says...

I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.
I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton. andoru
  • Score: 137

8:15am Tue 3 Jun 14

Crossley Place Saint says...

Yesterday evening I was feeling more optimistic after Krueger's statement. Now more bad news this morning... what a roller coaster. So we'll have to see how carefully Ralph chose his words this time - that we don't "need" to accept offers, that our "preference" is not to sell.
Yesterday evening I was feeling more optimistic after Krueger's statement. Now more bad news this morning... what a roller coaster. So we'll have to see how carefully Ralph chose his words this time - that we don't "need" to accept offers, that our "preference" is not to sell. Crossley Place Saint
  • Score: 21

8:15am Tue 3 Jun 14

MiltonRoad says...

The thing that really upsets me is how is this getting into the media? Liverpool and Man U's interest has been reported in great detail from day 1. This seems to be a clear attempt to unsettle the player. Now they are using the media to force through the deals.
I don’t blame the media; they have info and are doing their job reporting it (including the Echo). I blame the clubs. This seems to be tantamount to tapping up which I thought was not allowed. I would like to see the FA doing something about this. But bearing in mind Hodgson is one of the FA's most senior employees and actually seems to be stoking the fire, I guess that is pretty unlikely!!
Very disillusioned.......
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The thing that really upsets me is how is this getting into the media? Liverpool and Man U's interest has been reported in great detail from day 1. This seems to be a clear attempt to unsettle the player. Now they are using the media to force through the deals. I don’t blame the media; they have info and are doing their job reporting it (including the Echo). I blame the clubs. This seems to be tantamount to tapping up which I thought was not allowed. I would like to see the FA doing something about this. But bearing in mind Hodgson is one of the FA's most senior employees and actually seems to be stoking the fire, I guess that is pretty unlikely!! Very disillusioned....... . MiltonRoad
  • Score: 61

8:20am Tue 3 Jun 14

White and red till dead says...

andoru wrote:
I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.
This. Couldn't have said it better.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.[/p][/quote]This. Couldn't have said it better. White and red till dead
  • Score: 56

8:22am Tue 3 Jun 14

rednwhite72 says...

bit of a contradiction wouldn't you say?

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bit of a contradiction wouldn't you say? http://www.dailyecho .co.uk/sport/1123734 3.Lallana_not_worrie d_about_when_his_fut ure_will_be_sorted/ rednwhite72
  • Score: 14

8:24am Tue 3 Jun 14

Rooflas says...

If a player wants to leave you can't force him to stay. Lallana especially has been loyal, Rickie wants to return home but I think shaw is making a mistake professionally.
It's a shame mopo left but I think he also is making a mistake, spurs are a wannabe club and he is making a side ways move. I thought better of him than that.
Big re-build required for next season which was always going to be tough to replicate. Let's get a good manager in like a laudrup who the youth can look up to and go again. We are still the pride of the south! Coyreds!
If a player wants to leave you can't force him to stay. Lallana especially has been loyal, Rickie wants to return home but I think shaw is making a mistake professionally. It's a shame mopo left but I think he also is making a mistake, spurs are a wannabe club and he is making a side ways move. I thought better of him than that. Big re-build required for next season which was always going to be tough to replicate. Let's get a good manager in like a laudrup who the youth can look up to and go again. We are still the pride of the south! Coyreds! Rooflas
  • Score: 4

8:25am Tue 3 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

I just hope RK keeps to his comment that no transfers will take place until the new manager is appointed.

For me, there is no doubt that all this upheaval has been brought about by press comment, the loss of MP and, without doubt, there will have been tapping up amongst the England squad. It's us, the poor bl**** fans who are left frustrated and a lot on here have renewed their season tickets at considerable cost. The latter in anticipation of the continued progress shown last season. Very much a kick in the you know what!

But, they will go, it has to be said. The new objective is NOT to accept the quoted fees mentioned so far. If these two are wanted so much then the club must really hardball the transfer fee.

It occurs to me that with Lallana particularly, a fee should be agreed and then the buying club should be forced additionally to pay Bournemouth's 20%. Why not, Saints hold all the aces on this if we are losing a valuable player and must not forget this simple fact.

Do you remember that comedy programme on BBC when one of the downstairs staff used to say "where will it all end"? That's what we are all thinking right now, I bet.
I just hope RK keeps to his comment that no transfers will take place until the new manager is appointed. For me, there is no doubt that all this upheaval has been brought about by press comment, the loss of MP and, without doubt, there will have been tapping up amongst the England squad. It's us, the poor bl**** fans who are left frustrated and a lot on here have renewed their season tickets at considerable cost. The latter in anticipation of the continued progress shown last season. Very much a kick in the you know what! But, they will go, it has to be said. The new objective is NOT to accept the quoted fees mentioned so far. If these two are wanted so much then the club must really hardball the transfer fee. It occurs to me that with Lallana particularly, a fee should be agreed and then the buying club should be forced additionally to pay Bournemouth's 20%. Why not, Saints hold all the aces on this if we are losing a valuable player and must not forget this simple fact. Do you remember that comedy programme on BBC when one of the downstairs staff used to say "where will it all end"? That's what we are all thinking right now, I bet. saintbobby
  • Score: 19

8:28am Tue 3 Jun 14

Joy in Jerusalem says...

Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us?

'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years'
Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us? 'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years' Joy in Jerusalem
  • Score: 80

8:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

Rooflas wrote:
If a player wants to leave you can't force him to stay. Lallana especially has been loyal, Rickie wants to return home but I think shaw is making a mistake professionally. It's a shame mopo left but I think he also is making a mistake, spurs are a wannabe club and he is making a side ways move. I thought better of him than that. Big re-build required for next season which was always going to be tough to replicate. Let's get a good manager in like a laudrup who the youth can look up to and go again. We are still the pride of the south! Coyreds!
Yes you can, I think Liverpool did exactly that last season
[quote][p][bold]Rooflas[/bold] wrote: If a player wants to leave you can't force him to stay. Lallana especially has been loyal, Rickie wants to return home but I think shaw is making a mistake professionally. It's a shame mopo left but I think he also is making a mistake, spurs are a wannabe club and he is making a side ways move. I thought better of him than that. Big re-build required for next season which was always going to be tough to replicate. Let's get a good manager in like a laudrup who the youth can look up to and go again. We are still the pride of the south! Coyreds![/p][/quote]Yes you can, I think Liverpool did exactly that last season Jesus_02
  • Score: 35

8:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saint Jinx says...

I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow.
It really does go to their heads - doesn't it?
With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen?
I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow. It really does go to their heads - doesn't it? With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen? Saint Jinx
  • Score: 26

8:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
[quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 59

8:32am Tue 3 Jun 14

jt_swiss says...

Its quite conveinient how after the Club finally makes a Statement about Players, starting no Player will be sold unless they wish to Leave, Media Stories the next Day that both have now requested to Leave today even though they are both in a training Camp in Miami - Hogwash i tell you!
Lallana already said he doesnt care when his Future is sorted he is 100% focused on the World Cup, therefore im sure he is not calling the Club from the training camp telling them he wants to Leave then leaving it to the media! Fantasy world!
Its quite conveinient how after the Club finally makes a Statement about Players, starting no Player will be sold unless they wish to Leave, Media Stories the next Day that both have now requested to Leave today even though they are both in a training Camp in Miami - Hogwash i tell you! Lallana already said he doesnt care when his Future is sorted he is 100% focused on the World Cup, therefore im sure he is not calling the Club from the training camp telling them he wants to Leave then leaving it to the media! Fantasy world! jt_swiss
  • Score: 29

8:34am Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote: Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.
I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year. Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms.
Resigned to the fact Adam will leave, but disgusted that with Saints having 3 players at the WC he chooses now to declare it.
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.[/p][/quote]I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year. Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms.[/p][/quote]Resigned to the fact Adam will leave, but disgusted that with Saints having 3 players at the WC he chooses now to declare it. Jesus_02
  • Score: 27

8:41am Tue 3 Jun 14

milton road says...

Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy.
Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads.
Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy. Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads. milton road
  • Score: 45

8:41am Tue 3 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

I'm a bit confused, is Staplewood the Southampton academy or the premier league academy. If these teams want to use it surley we can accomodate them for a fee, and in the mean time maybe we could use it for the benifit of Saints instead.
I have said before, any team that brings a player though their OWN academy should ALWAYS get 25% of any and all future tranfer fee untill that player retires, that is one sure way of getting the money through to the teams that do the hard work.
I'm a bit confused, is Staplewood the Southampton academy or the premier league academy. If these teams want to use it surley we can accomodate them for a fee, and in the mean time maybe we could use it for the benifit of Saints instead. I have said before, any team that brings a player though their OWN academy should ALWAYS get 25% of any and all future tranfer fee untill that player retires, that is one sure way of getting the money through to the teams that do the hard work. Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 71

8:47am Tue 3 Jun 14

rossofficial10 says...

milton road wrote:
Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy.
Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads.
SPOT ON
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy. Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads.[/p][/quote]SPOT ON rossofficial10
  • Score: 35

8:49am Tue 3 Jun 14

george chivers says...

MiltonRoad wrote:
The thing that really upsets me is how is this getting into the media? Liverpool and Man U's interest has been reported in great detail from day 1. This seems to be a clear attempt to unsettle the player. Now they are using the media to force through the deals.
I don’t blame the media; they have info and are doing their job reporting it (including the Echo). I blame the clubs. This seems to be tantamount to tapping up which I thought was not allowed. I would like to see the FA doing something about this. But bearing in mind Hodgson is one of the FA's most senior employees and actually seems to be stoking the fire, I guess that is pretty unlikely!!
Very disillusioned.......

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Big clubs use agents to feed stories to the press. They pay them retainers to do it, it's all part of the game. Football is a war at their level and they want to win the war or at least as many battles as they can each season. So they use propaganda techniques to win, as governments do.

At the moment I think RK is doing very well for us, the crunch will come when the new manager signs and we start to spend money on new players, that will be the proof of the pudding. Lets hope we sign some good players to replace the ones who leave.

STID
[quote][p][bold]MiltonRoad[/bold] wrote: The thing that really upsets me is how is this getting into the media? Liverpool and Man U's interest has been reported in great detail from day 1. This seems to be a clear attempt to unsettle the player. Now they are using the media to force through the deals. I don’t blame the media; they have info and are doing their job reporting it (including the Echo). I blame the clubs. This seems to be tantamount to tapping up which I thought was not allowed. I would like to see the FA doing something about this. But bearing in mind Hodgson is one of the FA's most senior employees and actually seems to be stoking the fire, I guess that is pretty unlikely!! Very disillusioned....... .[/p][/quote]Big clubs use agents to feed stories to the press. They pay them retainers to do it, it's all part of the game. Football is a war at their level and they want to win the war or at least as many battles as they can each season. So they use propaganda techniques to win, as governments do. At the moment I think RK is doing very well for us, the crunch will come when the new manager signs and we start to spend money on new players, that will be the proof of the pudding. Lets hope we sign some good players to replace the ones who leave. STID george chivers
  • Score: 29

8:54am Tue 3 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

Idle thought. Instead of 4 Saints featuring in recent England squads there had actually been NONE, we would not have all this breaking up of our team.

They have all been got at. So Jay, do hope everything is going well and that you, at least, will be faithful to the cause. Up the Saints!
Idle thought. Instead of 4 Saints featuring in recent England squads there had actually been NONE, we would not have all this breaking up of our team. They have all been got at. So Jay, do hope everything is going well and that you, at least, will be faithful to the cause. Up the Saints! saintbobby
  • Score: 28

8:55am Tue 3 Jun 14

Costa Baz says...

milton road wrote:
Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy.
Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads.
Saints need to make them sweat until the last day of the transfer window.
[quote][p][bold]milton road[/bold] wrote: Saints need to stand firm and make them wait unitil after the world cup. Then have them speak with the new mananger. Then if they still want to go hold on for the top price. Suarez wanted to leave Liverpool but now he is happy. Saints are the club that steered them to England and the world cup and now they want to walk away. Everything has gone to their heads.[/p][/quote]Saints need to make them sweat until the last day of the transfer window. Costa Baz
  • Score: 29

8:56am Tue 3 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Bet poor old Woy aint too happy.Serves him right for sticking his nose into our club's affairs. These 2 have clearly had their heads turned by the overhyped , underperforming, overpaid "superstars". Transfer requests required please. Then all any interested club has to do is meet the valuation price . £30 mil for each player. Pay up or shut up
Bet poor old Woy aint too happy.Serves him right for sticking his nose into our club's affairs. These 2 have clearly had their heads turned by the overhyped , underperforming, overpaid "superstars". Transfer requests required please. Then all any interested club has to do is meet the valuation price . £30 mil for each player. Pay up or shut up Clever Dick
  • Score: 42

8:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

george chivers says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
Two reasons. Shed loads of money and CL football. Neither, unfortunately are available at Saints. Ambition and agents drive them and when they look at Gareth Bale and what he has achieved they want the same opportunities.

Not good for us. But good for them. Its all over by the time are 33ish, so they go for it. Who can blame them. I would do the same.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.[/p][/quote]Two reasons. Shed loads of money and CL football. Neither, unfortunately are available at Saints. Ambition and agents drive them and when they look at Gareth Bale and what he has achieved they want the same opportunities. Not good for us. But good for them. Its all over by the time are 33ish, so they go for it. Who can blame them. I would do the same. george chivers
  • Score: 10

9:04am Tue 3 Jun 14

saint christopher says...

Totally confused. Players saying they're happy to remain at club or have futures sorted out after WC, next we're told they're saying they want to leave like yesterday.

On basis they're now in a pretty closed community where supposedly agents and the like are excluded there shouldn't be any such talk whatsoever. However they all have mobile phones and are not yet at the WC proper - and more to the point are now living with and getting up close and personal with all the players from the so-called big clubs.

For Luke and Adam they are probably like young kids being taken to London for the first time - feeling excited, unreal, overawed etc. One can see how easily the heads can get turned at the sudden prospect of immediate wealth and success, and you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be other players egging them on to make such decisions.

It's now the board must stand firm - Krueger has basically come out and said no sales until the new man's appointed and we can't expect a stronger statement of intent than that at this stage. Hopefully this will happen this week (I would go further and say it's GOT to happen this week), at which point the new manager will take the spotlight.

Until then I think the club are doing what's right, and although I have been the first to say we should have lined up a new manager earlier we don't really know what's been happening behind the scenes and until facts become clearer we all need to trust them to make the right decisions in the best interests of the club.
Totally confused. Players saying they're happy to remain at club or have futures sorted out after WC, next we're told they're saying they want to leave like yesterday. On basis they're now in a pretty closed community where supposedly agents and the like are excluded there shouldn't be any such talk whatsoever. However they all have mobile phones and are not yet at the WC proper - and more to the point are now living with and getting up close and personal with all the players from the so-called big clubs. For Luke and Adam they are probably like young kids being taken to London for the first time - feeling excited, unreal, overawed etc. One can see how easily the heads can get turned at the sudden prospect of immediate wealth and success, and you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be other players egging them on to make such decisions. It's now the board must stand firm - Krueger has basically come out and said no sales until the new man's appointed and we can't expect a stronger statement of intent than that at this stage. Hopefully this will happen this week (I would go further and say it's GOT to happen this week), at which point the new manager will take the spotlight. Until then I think the club are doing what's right, and although I have been the first to say we should have lined up a new manager earlier we don't really know what's been happening behind the scenes and until facts become clearer we all need to trust them to make the right decisions in the best interests of the club. saint christopher
  • Score: 19

9:04am Tue 3 Jun 14

horsted says...

he's only leaving so the mighty Cherries get the money, he knows where his roots are, have a good season?
he's only leaving so the mighty Cherries get the money, he knows where his roots are, have a good season? horsted
  • Score: -24

9:05am Tue 3 Jun 14

express_a_view says...

i) Both players have signed recent contracts. They would expect the club to honour the contract if they received long term career threatening injuries. Why should things be different in reverse?
ii) If they want to go then put in a written transfer request and accept the personal financial loss that comes with doing that - should of course the board decide to accept any offer.
iii) Southampton FC ought to, at least behind closed doors, be discussing with the FA and/or Roy Hodgson how much of a disincentive it is for the club to be supportive of the English national team when it becomes a "recruiting sergeant" for the bigger clubs. It is surely not entirely coincidence that this desire to leave seems to run parallel with joining the England set up.
iv) It may be that to stop an exodus the club might need to play hard ball with one or both these players. It can be done - look at Liverpool and Suarez last year. Their choice would be simple - honour your contract or sell yourselves and your international chances from the reserves. Harsh but it might be the only way to stop the rot and ensure that players realise the board will not be bounced.
i) Both players have signed recent contracts. They would expect the club to honour the contract if they received long term career threatening injuries. Why should things be different in reverse? ii) If they want to go then put in a written transfer request and accept the personal financial loss that comes with doing that - should of course the board decide to accept any offer. iii) Southampton FC ought to, at least behind closed doors, be discussing with the FA and/or Roy Hodgson how much of a disincentive it is for the club to be supportive of the English national team when it becomes a "recruiting sergeant" for the bigger clubs. It is surely not entirely coincidence that this desire to leave seems to run parallel with joining the England set up. iv) It may be that to stop an exodus the club might need to play hard ball with one or both these players. It can be done - look at Liverpool and Suarez last year. Their choice would be simple - honour your contract or sell yourselves and your international chances from the reserves. Harsh but it might be the only way to stop the rot and ensure that players realise the board will not be bounced. express_a_view
  • Score: 60

9:15am Tue 3 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

Most of us already knew this! Although some clung to "but they have contracts", "but Les Reed said", "are you calling Les Reed a liar?" oh and this little gem, "but what about Luis Suarez last season".

As usual those adorable Happy Clappers got it terribly WRONG!
Somethings NEVER CHANGE!!!

As I have been saying for a while now our main worry is to stop the "domino effect". To do this we need to appoint a QUALITY new manager and spend VERY BIG in the market.

It's time for the club to make a SERIOUS statement that we are still AMBITIOUS and we are going to back it up with ACTIONS!!!
Most of us already knew this! Although some clung to "but they have contracts", "but Les Reed said", "are you calling Les Reed a liar?" oh and this little gem, "but what about Luis Suarez last season". As usual those adorable Happy Clappers got it terribly WRONG! Somethings NEVER CHANGE!!! As I have been saying for a while now our main worry is to stop the "domino effect". To do this we need to appoint a QUALITY new manager and spend VERY BIG in the market. It's time for the club to make a SERIOUS statement that we are still AMBITIOUS and we are going to back it up with ACTIONS!!! redandy10
  • Score: 0

9:17am Tue 3 Jun 14

bartley41 says...

Both players are on long term contracts, if they wish to break them then they must put it in writing. The Club should play hard ball, by saying to Liverpool , yes you can have Lallana in exchange for Suaraz and Sturridge, otherwise you are wasting your time. No deal

As regards Shaw he is only 18 and Man U or anybody else must pay for future potential, that is about 12 years of his playing time, at 10 million a year that is 10 x 12 = £120 million so offering just £30 million get lost!! Again no deal.

The media would soon lose interest if they saw that Southampton Football Club were not to be messed around with.!!

Appoint a new Manager as soon quickly and get the new Red and White Stripe Shirts on sale now!!
Both players are on long term contracts, if they wish to break them then they must put it in writing. The Club should play hard ball, by saying to Liverpool , yes you can have Lallana in exchange for Suaraz and Sturridge, otherwise you are wasting your time. No deal As regards Shaw he is only 18 and Man U or anybody else must pay for future potential, that is about 12 years of his playing time, at 10 million a year that is 10 x 12 = £120 million so offering just £30 million get lost!! Again no deal. The media would soon lose interest if they saw that Southampton Football Club were not to be messed around with.!! Appoint a new Manager as soon quickly and get the new Red and White Stripe Shirts on sale now!! bartley41
  • Score: 20

9:17am Tue 3 Jun 14

TGodSFC says...

I think it’s a disgrace, Adams changed a lot since his England call up, for a club captain who is the focal point of the team he should be thankful for what he’s got, he won’t get much playing time if he signs for L’pool, that’s for sure, their midfield is jammed and rumours of more to come in. As far as Luke wanting to leave, he show a bit more respect, he only broke into the first team a season and a half ago, he is still not as good as he could be and he will only reach his full potential with regular game time, which he wont get this year at utd, not with evera signing a 1 year extension. They both were happy to sign five year deals last year but now they think the grass is greener, I think it’s totally disrespectful if true, to the club that gave them everything and the fans that raised their profile.
I think it’s a disgrace, Adams changed a lot since his England call up, for a club captain who is the focal point of the team he should be thankful for what he’s got, he won’t get much playing time if he signs for L’pool, that’s for sure, their midfield is jammed and rumours of more to come in. As far as Luke wanting to leave, he show a bit more respect, he only broke into the first team a season and a half ago, he is still not as good as he could be and he will only reach his full potential with regular game time, which he wont get this year at utd, not with evera signing a 1 year extension. They both were happy to sign five year deals last year but now they think the grass is greener, I think it’s totally disrespectful if true, to the club that gave them everything and the fans that raised their profile. TGodSFC
  • Score: 37

9:23am Tue 3 Jun 14

scorpioeyes says...

the owners have made a big mess of things,starting with falling out with NC. I predict a season fighting relegation with our squad decimated.
the owners have made a big mess of things,starting with falling out with NC. I predict a season fighting relegation with our squad decimated. scorpioeyes
  • Score: -39

9:26am Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -20

9:27am Tue 3 Jun 14

SouthamptonLegend says...

And there was a lot of people comparing Lallana to the great Matt Le God..!

Nowhere near the same league!!
And there was a lot of people comparing Lallana to the great Matt Le God..! Nowhere near the same league!! SouthamptonLegend
  • Score: 40

9:32am Tue 3 Jun 14

st.ranger says...

These guys have done good things for Saints, it's a shame they don't seem to recall what Saints did for them! They have a contract and they need to put in a transfer request if they want out of that agreement which got them the wages they are on and the status they are now able to claim as England WC squad players - they did not do it alone.

Sure Adam will get a regular game, but Luke, why move to a non CL club that is in turmoil where you wont play so much and probably end up losing your England berth as a result?

Stand firm Saints and if a proper offer comes in take it with a hard bargained sell-on clause. I am sure they will be worth more after the WC.
These guys have done good things for Saints, it's a shame they don't seem to recall what Saints did for them! They have a contract and they need to put in a transfer request if they want out of that agreement which got them the wages they are on and the status they are now able to claim as England WC squad players - they did not do it alone. Sure Adam will get a regular game, but Luke, why move to a non CL club that is in turmoil where you wont play so much and probably end up losing your England berth as a result? Stand firm Saints and if a proper offer comes in take it with a hard bargained sell-on clause. I am sure they will be worth more after the WC. st.ranger
  • Score: 17

9:34am Tue 3 Jun 14

Block41row0sfc says...

So much for never pushing through a transfer requests!!
So much for never pushing through a transfer requests!! Block41row0sfc
  • Score: -3

9:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

redandy10 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I agree the dominos started falling when Poch left, but we have to go into damage limitation mode now. If the board are indecisive or in general make bad moves we could see the team completely ripped apart. A few BIG NAME QUALITY signings and a manager that the players would look forward to working with might just allow us to keep hold of some of our existing talent.

Going on last week's mess I'm not sure that Ralph & Co can handle unfolding events and more importantly their repercussions.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I agree the dominos started falling when Poch left, but we have to go into damage limitation mode now. If the board are indecisive or in general make bad moves we could see the team completely ripped apart. A few BIG NAME QUALITY signings and a manager that the players would look forward to working with might just allow us to keep hold of some of our existing talent. Going on last week's mess I'm not sure that Ralph & Co can handle unfolding events and more importantly their repercussions. redandy10
  • Score: -12

9:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
I'm a bit confused, is Staplewood the Southampton academy or the premier league academy. If these teams want to use it surley we can accomodate them for a fee, and in the mean time maybe we could use it for the benifit of Saints instead.
I have said before, any team that brings a player though their OWN academy should ALWAYS get 25% of any and all future tranfer fee untill that player retires, that is one sure way of getting the money through to the teams that do the hard work.
Have to agree Folkestone

The more effort we put in at youth level seems to be for the benefit of "the bigger clubs" and not Saints - although the money we receive is good from the inevitable sell on, it won't move us up the premier league heirachy.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: I'm a bit confused, is Staplewood the Southampton academy or the premier league academy. If these teams want to use it surley we can accomodate them for a fee, and in the mean time maybe we could use it for the benifit of Saints instead. I have said before, any team that brings a player though their OWN academy should ALWAYS get 25% of any and all future tranfer fee untill that player retires, that is one sure way of getting the money through to the teams that do the hard work.[/p][/quote]Have to agree Folkestone The more effort we put in at youth level seems to be for the benefit of "the bigger clubs" and not Saints - although the money we receive is good from the inevitable sell on, it won't move us up the premier league heirachy. SodburySaint93
  • Score: 11

9:37am Tue 3 Jun 14

isolated saint says...

The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled.
The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled. isolated saint
  • Score: 7

9:47am Tue 3 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

I don't know if everyone has seen my comment on this from last night so I will reiterate it,
Have you seen which BBC 'reporter' has written the story about lalla telling the club he wanted to leave? Well in case you haven't its the one and only Ben Smith, yes thats right Ben Smith. The very same Ben Smith who has previously written several very pro NC articles in the past and who recently spent a lovely day with NC in Italy where NC told us all that none of this would happen if he was in charge! It makes you wonder what else they had a little chat about doesn't it!
Not seen a source for Luke saying he wanted to leave, but again is it just a coincidence they both 'told' the club at the same time?
I wonder how lalla told the club when there are other stories that the board have ignored his phone calls.
As for diverpool upping their bid from £20mill to £25mill that is again apparently not quite right. Sources from within Southampton javelin been suggesting that they still offered just £20mill but with a further £5mill in 'unrealistic' add ons, for example a million if they win the league or a million if they win the champions league. Looks like diverpool are still unwilling to pay what we want. if that was their final offer then good and its fair to accept that they wont be bothering us again!
I don't know if everyone has seen my comment on this from last night so I will reiterate it, Have you seen which BBC 'reporter' has written the story about lalla telling the club he wanted to leave? Well in case you haven't its the one and only Ben Smith, yes thats right Ben Smith. The very same Ben Smith who has previously written several very pro NC articles in the past and who recently spent a lovely day with NC in Italy where NC told us all that none of this would happen if he was in charge! It makes you wonder what else they had a little chat about doesn't it! Not seen a source for Luke saying he wanted to leave, but again is it just a coincidence they both 'told' the club at the same time? I wonder how lalla told the club when there are other stories that the board have ignored his phone calls. As for diverpool upping their bid from £20mill to £25mill that is again apparently not quite right. Sources from within Southampton javelin been suggesting that they still offered just £20mill but with a further £5mill in 'unrealistic' add ons, for example a million if they win the league or a million if they win the champions league. Looks like diverpool are still unwilling to pay what we want. if that was their final offer then good and its fair to accept that they wont be bothering us again! el caballo santos101
  • Score: 18

9:50am Tue 3 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

maybe hodgson was a scout for liverpool after all by the amount of times he watched our lads !!
let em go as there is nothing worse than having players who dont want to play for the team as it just disrupts the squad
maybe hodgson was a scout for liverpool after all by the amount of times he watched our lads !! let em go as there is nothing worse than having players who dont want to play for the team as it just disrupts the squad mickey01
  • Score: 15

9:55am Tue 3 Jun 14

poults says...

i will not except this rubbish the only place i believe is saints official site if it isnt on there then its not worth the paper its printed on these are just rumours and nothing more , this sort of spam reporting is just causing many saints fans to go into meltdown when really it is nothing more than guesswork
i will not except this rubbish the only place i believe is saints official site if it isnt on there then its not worth the paper its printed on these are just rumours and nothing more , this sort of spam reporting is just causing many saints fans to go into meltdown when really it is nothing more than guesswork poults
  • Score: 11

10:00am Tue 3 Jun 14

White and red till dead says...

isolated saint wrote:
The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled.
The ironic thing here is that if Lallana does move Gaston is in a good position to make an impact, which he hasn't so far. If he does go, he won't exactly be missed.
[quote][p][bold]isolated saint[/bold] wrote: The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled.[/p][/quote]The ironic thing here is that if Lallana does move Gaston is in a good position to make an impact, which he hasn't so far. If he does go, he won't exactly be missed. White and red till dead
  • Score: 13

10:06am Tue 3 Jun 14

justaSaintsfan says...

We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!! justaSaintsfan
  • Score: 40

10:07am Tue 3 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 10

10:09am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot.
If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad.
I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are....
Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team.
Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting!
You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot. If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad. I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are.... Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team. Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting! St.Winch70
  • Score: 8

10:09am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours. SaintJD
  • Score: 20

10:12am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saddogitte says...

So much for Lallana's comment about waiting until after the WC and just focussing on that for now. Man up and put in a transfer request. I am with the others. Keep him until someone meets our valuation. If they dont, make him honour is contract.
So much for Lallana's comment about waiting until after the WC and just focussing on that for now. Man up and put in a transfer request. I am with the others. Keep him until someone meets our valuation. If they dont, make him honour is contract. Saddogitte
  • Score: 13

10:15am Tue 3 Jun 14

SodburySaint93 says...

Rumours
Jrod/JWP/Clyne - Spurs
Gaston - Sampdoria
Morgan - Arsenal
Fonte - Hull
Lallana/Lovren - Liverpool
Shaw - Man U

Fact
SRL - Liverpool

I can't see all of the rumours happening.

So - who is going to be team captain next season ????
Rumours Jrod/JWP/Clyne - Spurs Gaston - Sampdoria Morgan - Arsenal Fonte - Hull Lallana/Lovren - Liverpool Shaw - Man U Fact SRL - Liverpool I can't see all of the rumours happening. So - who is going to be team captain next season ???? SodburySaint93
  • Score: -1

10:18am Tue 3 Jun 14

mark.s says...

"The Southampton Way" - producing players for bigger clubs to pinch?
"The Southampton Way" - producing players for bigger clubs to pinch? mark.s
  • Score: 9

10:18am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot.
If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad.
I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are....
Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team.
Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting!
Sorry St.Winch70, I've been supporting the club for many years, but never before have I seen players queuing up at the door demanding to be sold.

I've never seen the club need to replace three of our very best players in one go and, let's face it, if you say 'let anyone who wants to leave go', I can guarantee it won't stop with Luke, Adam and Rickie.

If any competitive business let their top three team members walk away to join competitors I would seriously doubt their ambition.

Lovren, Clyne, J-Rod and Spider would definitely put in transfer requests of their own, and rightly so.

No, sorry, time to clamp down now and say they are going nowhere. Let them strike. As we've continuously said - WE DO NOT NEED THE MONEY.

Let them rot and not play football and, yes, we'll carry on without them and keep on supporting the club while they sit around waiting four years for their contracts to run down.

We don't need £20 million for Adam Lallana. I'd prefer to see us make a stand and take the hit frankly, because if you accept any old offer because a player has said he wants to leave what are people going to offer us for Lovren and J-Rod?

Well, if they are sensible, very little.

You may be happy seeing us flush our potential down the toilet to the lowest bidder, but that doesn't necessarily give you a badge of honour as a true Saints fan.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot. If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad. I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are.... Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team. Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting![/p][/quote]Sorry St.Winch70, I've been supporting the club for many years, but never before have I seen players queuing up at the door demanding to be sold. I've never seen the club need to replace three of our very best players in one go and, let's face it, if you say 'let anyone who wants to leave go', I can guarantee it won't stop with Luke, Adam and Rickie. If any competitive business let their top three team members walk away to join competitors I would seriously doubt their ambition. Lovren, Clyne, J-Rod and Spider would definitely put in transfer requests of their own, and rightly so. No, sorry, time to clamp down now and say they are going nowhere. Let them strike. As we've continuously said - WE DO NOT NEED THE MONEY. Let them rot and not play football and, yes, we'll carry on without them and keep on supporting the club while they sit around waiting four years for their contracts to run down. We don't need £20 million for Adam Lallana. I'd prefer to see us make a stand and take the hit frankly, because if you accept any old offer because a player has said he wants to leave what are people going to offer us for Lovren and J-Rod? Well, if they are sensible, very little. You may be happy seeing us flush our potential down the toilet to the lowest bidder, but that doesn't necessarily give you a badge of honour as a true Saints fan. SaintJD
  • Score: 18

10:19am Tue 3 Jun 14

TGodSFC says...

SodburySaint93 wrote:
Rumours
Jrod/JWP/Clyne - Spurs
Gaston - Sampdoria
Morgan - Arsenal
Fonte - Hull
Lallana/Lovren - Liverpool
Shaw - Man U

Fact
SRL - Liverpool

I can't see all of the rumours happening.

So - who is going to be team captain next season ????
Fonte all day, Adams changed man even if he ends up staying we should strip him of the cap to show whos boss, we still got Sims, Reed and Hesketh to come through nxt sesson
[quote][p][bold]SodburySaint93[/bold] wrote: Rumours Jrod/JWP/Clyne - Spurs Gaston - Sampdoria Morgan - Arsenal Fonte - Hull Lallana/Lovren - Liverpool Shaw - Man U Fact SRL - Liverpool I can't see all of the rumours happening. So - who is going to be team captain next season ????[/p][/quote]Fonte all day, Adams changed man even if he ends up staying we should strip him of the cap to show whos boss, we still got Sims, Reed and Hesketh to come through nxt sesson TGodSFC
  • Score: 8

10:24am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick. St.Winch70
  • Score: -13

10:25am Tue 3 Jun 14

SodburySaint93 says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Agree with what you say

Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers and Bill Shankley getting tough with not allowing other teams to have their players and cracking down on players who want away.

Difference is, they were managers - and we ain't got one !!!
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Agree with what you say Alex Ferguson, Brendan Rogers and Bill Shankley getting tough with not allowing other teams to have their players and cracking down on players who want away. Difference is, they were managers - and we ain't got one !!! SodburySaint93
  • Score: 8

10:26am Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 6

10:27am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
[quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals. SaintJD
  • Score: 19

10:29am Tue 3 Jun 14

Confucious says...

For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause.

That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised.

It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is.

Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money.

But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg....

Oh when the Saints
Report their numbers
Oh when the Saints
report their numbers
Our revenues will be well up again
And the bottom line in the black.

"Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!"

"We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!"

"Keep a clean balance sheet!"

"Watch out - the debt ratio!"

"Who the f*ck is profitable now!"

Or am I just having a bad day?
For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause. That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised. It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is. Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money. But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg.... Oh when the Saints Report their numbers Oh when the Saints report their numbers Our revenues will be well up again And the bottom line in the black. "Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!" "We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!" "Keep a clean balance sheet!" "Watch out - the debt ratio!" "Who the f*ck is profitable now!" Or am I just having a bad day? Confucious
  • Score: 17

10:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

Littleton-Saint says...

Even if they want to go, I don't think that Saints should agree to their sales unless proper market bids are received - £50m for Lallana and £50m for Shaw. Even then, we've got to think about our Premiership status and the impact of so many of our core players leaving.
I'd prefer the Board to stand firm and say, "No".

The sooner we can appoint a top manager, the better.
The quality of the appointment is critical to our retaining pur best players
and attracting quality new ones. Benitez has the pedigree and I hope it's him and not Koeman or Moyes.
Even if they want to go, I don't think that Saints should agree to their sales unless proper market bids are received - £50m for Lallana and £50m for Shaw. Even then, we've got to think about our Premiership status and the impact of so many of our core players leaving. I'd prefer the Board to stand firm and say, "No". The sooner we can appoint a top manager, the better. The quality of the appointment is critical to our retaining pur best players and attracting quality new ones. Benitez has the pedigree and I hope it's him and not Koeman or Moyes. Littleton-Saint
  • Score: 8

10:30am Tue 3 Jun 14

TGodSFC says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
I don't know if everyone has seen my comment on this from last night so I will reiterate it,
Have you seen which BBC 'reporter' has written the story about lalla telling the club he wanted to leave? Well in case you haven't its the one and only Ben Smith, yes thats right Ben Smith. The very same Ben Smith who has previously written several very pro NC articles in the past and who recently spent a lovely day with NC in Italy where NC told us all that none of this would happen if he was in charge! It makes you wonder what else they had a little chat about doesn't it!
Not seen a source for Luke saying he wanted to leave, but again is it just a coincidence they both 'told' the club at the same time?
I wonder how lalla told the club when there are other stories that the board have ignored his phone calls.
As for diverpool upping their bid from £20mill to £25mill that is again apparently not quite right. Sources from within Southampton javelin been suggesting that they still offered just £20mill but with a further £5mill in 'unrealistic' add ons, for example a million if they win the league or a million if they win the champions league. Looks like diverpool are still unwilling to pay what we want. if that was their final offer then good and its fair to accept that they wont be bothering us again!
Good point
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: I don't know if everyone has seen my comment on this from last night so I will reiterate it, Have you seen which BBC 'reporter' has written the story about lalla telling the club he wanted to leave? Well in case you haven't its the one and only Ben Smith, yes thats right Ben Smith. The very same Ben Smith who has previously written several very pro NC articles in the past and who recently spent a lovely day with NC in Italy where NC told us all that none of this would happen if he was in charge! It makes you wonder what else they had a little chat about doesn't it! Not seen a source for Luke saying he wanted to leave, but again is it just a coincidence they both 'told' the club at the same time? I wonder how lalla told the club when there are other stories that the board have ignored his phone calls. As for diverpool upping their bid from £20mill to £25mill that is again apparently not quite right. Sources from within Southampton javelin been suggesting that they still offered just £20mill but with a further £5mill in 'unrealistic' add ons, for example a million if they win the league or a million if they win the champions league. Looks like diverpool are still unwilling to pay what we want. if that was their final offer then good and its fair to accept that they wont be bothering us again![/p][/quote]Good point TGodSFC
  • Score: 9

10:34am Tue 3 Jun 14

Alicesdad says...

The club is doing the right thing. Let them run their business.

- Appoint a manager, this is absolutely key.

- Then decide on player sales ... or no sales.

I dont care if the players are "upset", diddums, they are saints players and signed up to that effect in writing. This is business boys, and sometimes you don't get your own way.

Every player sale decision that is made before a manager is appointed has two consequences:-

- the new man will have significantly less talent to work with on arrival
- it will put off top candidates for the manager role if they know they are starting with a seriously depleted squad. The only compensation for that would be to know that they had around £60-80 million to spend on arrival.

So the Board has to do its job. Let them do it. Then judge afterwards.
The club is doing the right thing. Let them run their business. - Appoint a manager, this is absolutely key. - Then decide on player sales ... or no sales. I dont care if the players are "upset", diddums, they are saints players and signed up to that effect in writing. This is business boys, and sometimes you don't get your own way. Every player sale decision that is made before a manager is appointed has two consequences:- - the new man will have significantly less talent to work with on arrival - it will put off top candidates for the manager role if they know they are starting with a seriously depleted squad. The only compensation for that would be to know that they had around £60-80 million to spend on arrival. So the Board has to do its job. Let them do it. Then judge afterwards. Alicesdad
  • Score: 12

10:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Gaz says...

KL make a stand and let them rot in the reserves for a while there soon change there tunes! The've has there heads turned by the other England players and the lame stream media!
The day after the club said there would be no more transfers in or out untill the new manager was in place the papers starting printing Adam & Luke will have to put in transfer requests to get a move! And low & behold the very next day! They ask to leave! In writing please!!!!! Southampton FC have given you both more than enough!
KL make a stand and let them rot in the reserves for a while there soon change there tunes! The've has there heads turned by the other England players and the lame stream media! The day after the club said there would be no more transfers in or out untill the new manager was in place the papers starting printing Adam & Luke will have to put in transfer requests to get a move! And low & behold the very next day! They ask to leave! In writing please!!!!! Southampton FC have given you both more than enough! St.Gaz
  • Score: 12

10:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me? SaintJD
  • Score: 12

10:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

midlandsaint says...

Hopefully Saints will hold off announcing the newanager until the day the England squad actually land in Brazil.
Hopefully Saints will hold off announcing the newanager until the day the England squad actually land in Brazil. midlandsaint
  • Score: 10

10:37am Tue 3 Jun 14

manosussex says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
CASH
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.[/p][/quote]CASH manosussex
  • Score: 4

10:38am Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause.

That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised.

It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is.

Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money.

But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg....

Oh when the Saints
Report their numbers
Oh when the Saints
report their numbers
Our revenues will be well up again
And the bottom line in the black.

"Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!"

"We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!"

"Keep a clean balance sheet!"

"Watch out - the debt ratio!"

"Who the f*ck is profitable now!"

Or am I just having a bad day?
Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause. That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised. It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is. Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money. But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg.... Oh when the Saints Report their numbers Oh when the Saints report their numbers Our revenues will be well up again And the bottom line in the black. "Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!" "We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!" "Keep a clean balance sheet!" "Watch out - the debt ratio!" "Who the f*ck is profitable now!" Or am I just having a bad day?[/p][/quote]Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:39am Tue 3 Jun 14

Saint Dennis says...

Money breeds parasites. Trouble is, who are the biggest ones? The agents, the "big" clubs, players who show no loyalty, managers who show no loyalty, egotistical club bosses? The Premier League stinks. And Saints are in the cesspit. Let's just hope they hold firm and make these parasites pay top top money for players the Club have invested so much time and effort in.
Money breeds parasites. Trouble is, who are the biggest ones? The agents, the "big" clubs, players who show no loyalty, managers who show no loyalty, egotistical club bosses? The Premier League stinks. And Saints are in the cesspit. Let's just hope they hold firm and make these parasites pay top top money for players the Club have invested so much time and effort in. Saint Dennis
  • Score: 17

10:40am Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Confucious wrote:
For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause.

That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised.

It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is.

Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money.

But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg....

Oh when the Saints
Report their numbers
Oh when the Saints
report their numbers
Our revenues will be well up again
And the bottom line in the black.

"Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!"

"We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!"

"Keep a clean balance sheet!"

"Watch out - the debt ratio!"

"Who the f*ck is profitable now!"

Or am I just having a bad day?
Lol

You are correct though it's all about money. If KL hadn't pulled back on financially backing the vision Cortese wouldn't have left. If Cortese hadn't have left MoPo would still be here and we wouldn't be losing Adam and Luke. Rickie? Who knows, it depends on what motivated Liverpool to buy him.
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause. That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised. It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is. Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money. But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg.... Oh when the Saints Report their numbers Oh when the Saints report their numbers Our revenues will be well up again And the bottom line in the black. "Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!" "We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!" "Keep a clean balance sheet!" "Watch out - the debt ratio!" "Who the f*ck is profitable now!" Or am I just having a bad day?[/p][/quote]Lol You are correct though it's all about money. If KL hadn't pulled back on financially backing the vision Cortese wouldn't have left. If Cortese hadn't have left MoPo would still be here and we wouldn't be losing Adam and Luke. Rickie? Who knows, it depends on what motivated Liverpool to buy him. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -2

10:41am Tue 3 Jun 14

Harold K Steptoe says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
This.......
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.[/p][/quote]This....... Harold K Steptoe
  • Score: 0

10:43am Tue 3 Jun 14

HeartlessArmorAngel says...

If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave..
If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave.. HeartlessArmorAngel
  • Score: 11

10:51am Tue 3 Jun 14

montecristosaint says...

Crossley Place Saint wrote:
Yesterday evening I was feeling more optimistic after Krueger's statement. Now more bad news this morning... what a roller coaster. So we'll have to see how carefully Ralph chose his words this time - that we don't "need" to accept offers, that our "preference" is not to sell.
It seems elements of the press are determined to do Southampton down, and that cannot be allowed to happen. But really the solution to all this is in KL hands but I a I suspect most fans still think she does not want to invest in the club without a selling a couple of players first. Its a real mess, the appointment of a new manager is taking a month of Sundays and the suspicion is that top flight managers have not been impressed wit the size of the Saints transfer budget. There is a forever lingering doubt that Liebherr is happy to sell Shaw and Lallana and their hands are tied. No one at the club has confirmed that the club intends to spend significantly in the transfer market. and they cant comment because that might push prices up.
[quote][p][bold]Crossley Place Saint[/bold] wrote: Yesterday evening I was feeling more optimistic after Krueger's statement. Now more bad news this morning... what a roller coaster. So we'll have to see how carefully Ralph chose his words this time - that we don't "need" to accept offers, that our "preference" is not to sell.[/p][/quote]It seems elements of the press are determined to do Southampton down, and that cannot be allowed to happen. But really the solution to all this is in KL hands but I a I suspect most fans still think she does not want to invest in the club without a selling a couple of players first. Its a real mess, the appointment of a new manager is taking a month of Sundays and the suspicion is that top flight managers have not been impressed wit the size of the Saints transfer budget. There is a forever lingering doubt that Liebherr is happy to sell Shaw and Lallana and their hands are tied. No one at the club has confirmed that the club intends to spend significantly in the transfer market. and they cant comment because that might push prices up. montecristosaint
  • Score: -5

10:53am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players. St.Winch70
  • Score: 1

10:56am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Confucious wrote:
For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause.

That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised.

It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is.

Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money.

But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg....

Oh when the Saints
Report their numbers
Oh when the Saints
report their numbers
Our revenues will be well up again
And the bottom line in the black.

"Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!"

"We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!"

"Keep a clean balance sheet!"

"Watch out - the debt ratio!"

"Who the f*ck is profitable now!"

Or am I just having a bad day?
Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do.
I think it really sums up the mood when two of the more positive, sensible posters on here are equally as dispirited by what's going on at the club this summer.

I'm horrendously disappointed in Luke and Adam, who have shown a complete lack of respect and empathy with the fans.

Do they not understand our pride at seeing them playing for England this summer?

I understand they may be upset with the way the club is being managed, I understand they may see their futures elsewhere, but they've been massively disrespectful to the fans and institution (not the current board, the club) that gave them their big chance.

Sorry guys, but an 'open letter to the fans' isn't going to be enough to let you walk away with our blessing. Sad fact is that clearly you don't really care what we think anyway.
[quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause. That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised. It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is. Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money. But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg.... Oh when the Saints Report their numbers Oh when the Saints report their numbers Our revenues will be well up again And the bottom line in the black. "Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!" "We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!" "Keep a clean balance sheet!" "Watch out - the debt ratio!" "Who the f*ck is profitable now!" Or am I just having a bad day?[/p][/quote]Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do.[/p][/quote]I think it really sums up the mood when two of the more positive, sensible posters on here are equally as dispirited by what's going on at the club this summer. I'm horrendously disappointed in Luke and Adam, who have shown a complete lack of respect and empathy with the fans. Do they not understand our pride at seeing them playing for England this summer? I understand they may be upset with the way the club is being managed, I understand they may see their futures elsewhere, but they've been massively disrespectful to the fans and institution (not the current board, the club) that gave them their big chance. Sorry guys, but an 'open letter to the fans' isn't going to be enough to let you walk away with our blessing. Sad fact is that clearly you don't really care what we think anyway. SaintJD
  • Score: 13

10:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

deepheat says...

Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool?
Surely his agent would be doing that.

Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet.
Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool? Surely his agent would be doing that. Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet. deepheat
  • Score: 14

10:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay? SaintJD
  • Score: 2

10:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

midlandsaint wrote:
Hopefully Saints will hold off announcing the newanager until the day the England squad actually land in Brazil.
Yep.
[quote][p][bold]midlandsaint[/bold] wrote: Hopefully Saints will hold off announcing the newanager until the day the England squad actually land in Brazil.[/p][/quote]Yep. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

11:02am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
OSPREYSAINT wrote:
Confucious wrote:
For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause.

That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised.

It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is.

Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money.

But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg....

Oh when the Saints
Report their numbers
Oh when the Saints
report their numbers
Our revenues will be well up again
And the bottom line in the black.

"Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!"

"We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!"

"Keep a clean balance sheet!"

"Watch out - the debt ratio!"

"Who the f*ck is profitable now!"

Or am I just having a bad day?
Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do.
I think it really sums up the mood when two of the more positive, sensible posters on here are equally as dispirited by what's going on at the club this summer.

I'm horrendously disappointed in Luke and Adam, who have shown a complete lack of respect and empathy with the fans.

Do they not understand our pride at seeing them playing for England this summer?

I understand they may be upset with the way the club is being managed, I understand they may see their futures elsewhere, but they've been massively disrespectful to the fans and institution (not the current board, the club) that gave them their big chance.

Sorry guys, but an 'open letter to the fans' isn't going to be enough to let you walk away with our blessing. Sad fact is that clearly you don't really care what we think anyway.
Change to 'your' blessing and care what 'you' think.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]OSPREYSAINT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: For fans the attachment to a club is deeply emotional - it lasts through thick and thin, year after year and down the generations. And success or failure brings joy or gloom which isn't in the least bit confined to the 90 minutes actually played on the pitch every week. Fans emotions also attach themselves to players who seem to share that love for the club and the cause. That's why it hurts when Poch strings us along and then dumps us overnight for a "massive club with a great history." And yes, it hurts when Rickie leaves for his "first love" - though few resent that particular one. And now it hurts too to hear that Lallana and Shaw want to leave - just as fans' season-long dreams of seeing Saints at the World Cup were about to be realised. It seems that is the price we're paying for a successful season. For some that success is not so much as to be enjoyed as to be "used". If you are not one of the "big clubs" success means you will be pillaged by one which is. Let's face it, sustained success all seems to boil down to money. But we should not give up! Chanting for our "goal machine", our "makes Messi look sh!te" man, our "Luuuuuuuuuuuuuke" and our "Pochettino, Pochettino, Pochettino" has not been the answer. We need to chant for money. eg.... Oh when the Saints Report their numbers Oh when the Saints report their numbers Our revenues will be well up again And the bottom line in the black. "Come on you return on capital two hundred basis points above the cost of capital!" "We have positive cash flow...we have positive cash flow!" "Keep a clean balance sheet!" "Watch out - the debt ratio!" "Who the f*ck is profitable now!" Or am I just having a bad day?[/p][/quote]Nope, just another normal day in the life of a Saints fan, we are doomed to fail it is said, wait and see, it's all we can do.[/p][/quote]I think it really sums up the mood when two of the more positive, sensible posters on here are equally as dispirited by what's going on at the club this summer. I'm horrendously disappointed in Luke and Adam, who have shown a complete lack of respect and empathy with the fans. Do they not understand our pride at seeing them playing for England this summer? I understand they may be upset with the way the club is being managed, I understand they may see their futures elsewhere, but they've been massively disrespectful to the fans and institution (not the current board, the club) that gave them their big chance. Sorry guys, but an 'open letter to the fans' isn't going to be enough to let you walk away with our blessing. Sad fact is that clearly you don't really care what we think anyway.[/p][/quote]Change to 'your' blessing and care what 'you' think. St.Winch70
  • Score: -2

11:07am Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's) St.Winch70
  • Score: -2

11:16am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble. SaintJD
  • Score: 13

11:18am Tue 3 Jun 14

philiprhampton says...

JohnItaly wrote:
I trust the Club will insist they put their requests in writing.
I guess their agents are in to make a few quid as well. These guys are immature and being suckered into moving, they'll learn by their mistakes.
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote: I trust the Club will insist they put their requests in writing.[/p][/quote]I guess their agents are in to make a few quid as well. These guys are immature and being suckered into moving, they'll learn by their mistakes. philiprhampton
  • Score: 1

11:24am Tue 3 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

HeartlessArmorAngel wrote:
If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave..
They sign long term contracts because it guarantees them financial security. Even if they get a career threatening injury or fail to make it they can see out their contract and get paid very well. In Adam's case, for example, his reported£35k a week over 5 years would amount to £9.1 million pounds total. Not bad till the greed sets in. From the club's point of view it's their only way of overcoming the Bosman ruling. As we can't charge a fee for a player who is out of contract the answer is to tie them up long term. As the contract winds down so does the player valuation. If we manage to hold on to our stars we will see this happening in a year or two as there will only be a year or two left for them to see out. It also explains why top player's contracts are renegotiated before they run out, because a player with , say, just two years left could extend for another three years, thus making it a five year contract again.
[quote][p][bold]HeartlessArmorAngel[/bold] wrote: If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave..[/p][/quote]They sign long term contracts because it guarantees them financial security. Even if they get a career threatening injury or fail to make it they can see out their contract and get paid very well. In Adam's case, for example, his reported£35k a week over 5 years would amount to £9.1 million pounds total. Not bad till the greed sets in. From the club's point of view it's their only way of overcoming the Bosman ruling. As we can't charge a fee for a player who is out of contract the answer is to tie them up long term. As the contract winds down so does the player valuation. If we manage to hold on to our stars we will see this happening in a year or two as there will only be a year or two left for them to see out. It also explains why top player's contracts are renegotiated before they run out, because a player with , say, just two years left could extend for another three years, thus making it a five year contract again. Clever Dick
  • Score: 4

11:24am Tue 3 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

HeartlessArmorAngel wrote:
If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave..
They sign long term contracts because it guarantees them financial security. Even if they get a career threatening injury or fail to make it they can see out their contract and get paid very well. In Adam's case, for example, his reported£35k a week over 5 years would amount to £9.1 million pounds total. Not bad till the greed sets in. From the club's point of view it's their only way of overcoming the Bosman ruling. As we can't charge a fee for a player who is out of contract the answer is to tie them up long term. As the contract winds down so does the player valuation. If we manage to hold on to our stars we will see this happening in a year or two as there will only be a year or two left for them to see out. It also explains why top player's contracts are renegotiated before they run out, because a player with , say, just two years left could extend for another three years, thus making it a five year contract again.
[quote][p][bold]HeartlessArmorAngel[/bold] wrote: If they want to leave, Why the sign long term contract in first place? and there's a lot conspiracy.. After the trio got england call up they suddenly changed and want to leave..[/p][/quote]They sign long term contracts because it guarantees them financial security. Even if they get a career threatening injury or fail to make it they can see out their contract and get paid very well. In Adam's case, for example, his reported£35k a week over 5 years would amount to £9.1 million pounds total. Not bad till the greed sets in. From the club's point of view it's their only way of overcoming the Bosman ruling. As we can't charge a fee for a player who is out of contract the answer is to tie them up long term. As the contract winds down so does the player valuation. If we manage to hold on to our stars we will see this happening in a year or two as there will only be a year or two left for them to see out. It also explains why top player's contracts are renegotiated before they run out, because a player with , say, just two years left could extend for another three years, thus making it a five year contract again. Clever Dick
  • Score: 0

11:27am Tue 3 Jun 14

saint serpico says...

horsted wrote:
he's only leaving so the mighty Cherries get the money, he knows where his roots are, have a good season?
Don't ask for a comeback. It's all on your mums chin!
[quote][p][bold]horsted[/bold] wrote: he's only leaving so the mighty Cherries get the money, he knows where his roots are, have a good season?[/p][/quote]Don't ask for a comeback. It's all on your mums chin! saint serpico
  • Score: 0

11:29am Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.[/p][/quote]That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 3

11:32am Tue 3 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot.
If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad.
I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are....
Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team.
Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting!
Sorry St.Winch70, I've been supporting the club for many years, but never before have I seen players queuing up at the door demanding to be sold.

I've never seen the club need to replace three of our very best players in one go and, let's face it, if you say 'let anyone who wants to leave go', I can guarantee it won't stop with Luke, Adam and Rickie.

If any competitive business let their top three team members walk away to join competitors I would seriously doubt their ambition.

Lovren, Clyne, J-Rod and Spider would definitely put in transfer requests of their own, and rightly so.

No, sorry, time to clamp down now and say they are going nowhere. Let them strike. As we've continuously said - WE DO NOT NEED THE MONEY.

Let them rot and not play football and, yes, we'll carry on without them and keep on supporting the club while they sit around waiting four years for their contracts to run down.

We don't need £20 million for Adam Lallana. I'd prefer to see us make a stand and take the hit frankly, because if you accept any old offer because a player has said he wants to leave what are people going to offer us for Lovren and J-Rod?

Well, if they are sensible, very little.

You may be happy seeing us flush our potential down the toilet to the lowest bidder, but that doesn't necessarily give you a badge of honour as a true Saints fan.
Make them train with the u21s for a couple of months, they will soon change there tunes when they no longer get picked for the England squad.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: You fans that still cling onto this player loyalty notion! In this modern age it doesn't exist, accept that and you'll have a happier lot. If players no longer want to play for Southampton, then so be it; sell them for as much as we can, then re-invest that cash wisely towards maintaining or strengthening the squad. I've supported Saints for over forty years, a player or two leaving has never affected my support for the club, recent events are showing many fans up for what they really are.... Saints will never have a huge fan base because we only have a 180 degree radius to get them from, so anyone that doubts the importance of developing young talent, playing them in the team at the highest level and then eventually selling them at a huge profit is essentially encouraging the club to become an unsustainable Premiership team. Saints will come through this period and will fight on...might even be exciting![/p][/quote]Sorry St.Winch70, I've been supporting the club for many years, but never before have I seen players queuing up at the door demanding to be sold. I've never seen the club need to replace three of our very best players in one go and, let's face it, if you say 'let anyone who wants to leave go', I can guarantee it won't stop with Luke, Adam and Rickie. If any competitive business let their top three team members walk away to join competitors I would seriously doubt their ambition. Lovren, Clyne, J-Rod and Spider would definitely put in transfer requests of their own, and rightly so. No, sorry, time to clamp down now and say they are going nowhere. Let them strike. As we've continuously said - WE DO NOT NEED THE MONEY. Let them rot and not play football and, yes, we'll carry on without them and keep on supporting the club while they sit around waiting four years for their contracts to run down. We don't need £20 million for Adam Lallana. I'd prefer to see us make a stand and take the hit frankly, because if you accept any old offer because a player has said he wants to leave what are people going to offer us for Lovren and J-Rod? Well, if they are sensible, very little. You may be happy seeing us flush our potential down the toilet to the lowest bidder, but that doesn't necessarily give you a badge of honour as a true Saints fan.[/p][/quote]Make them train with the u21s for a couple of months, they will soon change there tunes when they no longer get picked for the England squad. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 9

11:33am Tue 3 Jun 14

noodlesnewman says...

adams74 wrote:
Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!!
dont grant their transfers , put em in with the kids / reserves and let em both stay there til end of seaon , the puncheon treatment , why recently sign long contracts you pair of CXXTS .
[quote][p][bold]adams74[/bold] wrote: Gerrard henderson sturridge etc tapping up rickie and adam then rooney wellbeck etc tapping up luke!!!! club should stand strong and ask £35-£40m for both then invest it all back into the team.....if they hadnt been with the england squad I doubt this would be how it is now tbh!!![/p][/quote]dont grant their transfers , put em in with the kids / reserves and let em both stay there til end of seaon , the puncheon treatment , why recently sign long contracts you pair of CXXTS . noodlesnewman
  • Score: 2

11:36am Tue 3 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Quite easily hold out for the full 30 mill and make him put in a transfer request.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Quite easily hold out for the full 30 mill and make him put in a transfer request. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 10

11:38am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
By the way - 'the offer was a derisory one for a player of his quality'.

Spot the difference.

Now £25 million is the reported fee, take off Bournemouth's share and the 'add ons' that are inevitably negotiated in and I think we'll be realistically left with £15-18 million for Adam Lallana up front.

Is £15-18m or even the full £25m derisory for a player who, quite realistically, could be widely judged as England's best player in six weeks time? A player in his prime at exactly the right age.

Personally, I think it is as derisory as the Suarez bid.

You could make a similar argument for Luke Shaw - £28 million when David Luiz goes for close to £50 million? You're having a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]By the way - 'the offer was a derisory one for a player of his quality'. Spot the difference. Now £25 million is the reported fee, take off Bournemouth's share and the 'add ons' that are inevitably negotiated in and I think we'll be realistically left with £15-18 million for Adam Lallana up front. Is £15-18m or even the full £25m derisory for a player who, quite realistically, could be widely judged as England's best player in six weeks time? A player in his prime at exactly the right age. Personally, I think it is as derisory as the Suarez bid. You could make a similar argument for Luke Shaw - £28 million when David Luiz goes for close to £50 million? You're having a laugh. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

11:45am Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

I've been coming on this site for a long time, but I think it's fair to say the strength of feeling in one direction is pretty overwhelming this morning. You usually have a range of views, but I'd say 90% plus believe the club should take a very firm line on this. I'm sure they don't but let's hope the club takes a passing look at these forums. These aren't just the views of a few knee-jerk posters here - these are people with usually balanced or very positive outlooks on the club. Please take note SFC and harden your line.

Forget the 'it is our preference not to agree deals' rhetoric and return to the stance you made in January: NOBODY LEAVES THIS CLUB UNLESS WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE. (apologies for the caps lock moment).
I've been coming on this site for a long time, but I think it's fair to say the strength of feeling in one direction is pretty overwhelming this morning. You usually have a range of views, but I'd say 90% plus believe the club should take a very firm line on this. I'm sure they don't but let's hope the club takes a passing look at these forums. These aren't just the views of a few knee-jerk posters here - these are people with usually balanced or very positive outlooks on the club. Please take note SFC and harden your line. Forget the 'it is our preference not to agree deals' rhetoric and return to the stance you made in January: NOBODY LEAVES THIS CLUB UNLESS WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE. (apologies for the caps lock moment). SaintJD
  • Score: 6

11:49am Tue 3 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
Hmmm... it seems strange to me that a man with a worldwide reputation as being a motivational speaker and team leader wouldn't realise the need to put his arm around the players and tell them everything was going to be alright.

My guess is that he was EXTREMELY busy when he first arrived sorting out the 'problems' he felt NC had left.

It doesn't seem his style to be unapproachable or not to have an open door policy, but I guess if Cork and others have said that then it is a problem... seems strange though huh?
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable.[/p][/quote]Hmmm... it seems strange to me that a man with a worldwide reputation as being a motivational speaker and team leader wouldn't realise the need to put his arm around the players and tell them everything was going to be alright. My guess is that he was EXTREMELY busy when he first arrived sorting out the 'problems' he felt NC had left. It doesn't seem his style to be unapproachable or not to have an open door policy, but I guess if Cork and others have said that then it is a problem... seems strange though huh? Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 1

11:51am Tue 3 Jun 14

milton road says...

Well whether they have said they want to leave or not, because there is so much BS flying around, no one knows what to believe. Whatever happens they should not be allowed to leave until after the world cup, and then they should sit down with the manager first. Once the world cup is over their value will go up which is what Utd and Liverpool are afraid of.
Saints should not compromise their stand and should hold out for the highest bid if the players inist on going. The club is not here to be bullied by rival clubs or their players.
To be honest with the talent at Liverpool Lallana will only be a squad player, he has good days and bad and with Saints they work with him to get through it. A big club will just drop him. This has just all gone to his head.
Shaw is different he will be a major player whereever he goes.The world cup will put him on the world stage and will draw international attention if he plays.
Saints have the right to set the price and should not budge on it. It stinks of being influenced by the England set up and certain players.
Saints should not compromise and if it is in their interests to keep the players then keep them. If there is no choice to sell them do it on their terms. If Liverpool cannot afford it then toughsky.
Interesting to note that Poch was not interested in signing Adam.
Well whether they have said they want to leave or not, because there is so much BS flying around, no one knows what to believe. Whatever happens they should not be allowed to leave until after the world cup, and then they should sit down with the manager first. Once the world cup is over their value will go up which is what Utd and Liverpool are afraid of. Saints should not compromise their stand and should hold out for the highest bid if the players inist on going. The club is not here to be bullied by rival clubs or their players. To be honest with the talent at Liverpool Lallana will only be a squad player, he has good days and bad and with Saints they work with him to get through it. A big club will just drop him. This has just all gone to his head. Shaw is different he will be a major player whereever he goes.The world cup will put him on the world stage and will draw international attention if he plays. Saints have the right to set the price and should not budge on it. It stinks of being influenced by the England set up and certain players. Saints should not compromise and if it is in their interests to keep the players then keep them. If there is no choice to sell them do it on their terms. If Liverpool cannot afford it then toughsky. Interesting to note that Poch was not interested in signing Adam. milton road
  • Score: 6

11:52am Tue 3 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Grrrrrr....

Come on Italy!
Grrrrrr.... Come on Italy! Confucious
  • Score: 8

11:58am Tue 3 Jun 14

BackOfTheNet says...

So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it?

What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time.

And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :)

Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx BackOfTheNet
  • Score: -13

12:05pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
Hmmm... it seems strange to me that a man with a worldwide reputation as being a motivational speaker and team leader wouldn't realise the need to put his arm around the players and tell them everything was going to be alright.

My guess is that he was EXTREMELY busy when he first arrived sorting out the 'problems' he felt NC had left.

It doesn't seem his style to be unapproachable or not to have an open door policy, but I guess if Cork and others have said that then it is a problem... seems strange though huh?
Totally agree. My take is he misread the situation and therefore got his priorities wrong. He should have got close to MoPo and the players instead of making hugely damaging statements about the club finances. If the Chairman says the finances are 'difficult' and 'awkward' this is not only heard by his intended audience, the fans to dampen expectations, but also the players, management, media, agents and other chairmen coveting our players. He seems to have left all things football to the experienced, but lacking in any form of charisma, Les Reed. Cortese used Reed in a different way to Ralph.

I do not subscribe to the view these are bad people intent on asset stripping but I am convinced they lack experience and are out of their depth - KL, Ralph, Reed (in new role) and that other bloke who doesn't appear to do or say much. Oh and Gareth our bean counter turned CEO. The only one with charisma, and therefore leadership, is Ralph but he hasn't stepped up to the plate. Yet.
[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable.[/p][/quote]Hmmm... it seems strange to me that a man with a worldwide reputation as being a motivational speaker and team leader wouldn't realise the need to put his arm around the players and tell them everything was going to be alright. My guess is that he was EXTREMELY busy when he first arrived sorting out the 'problems' he felt NC had left. It doesn't seem his style to be unapproachable or not to have an open door policy, but I guess if Cork and others have said that then it is a problem... seems strange though huh?[/p][/quote]Totally agree. My take is he misread the situation and therefore got his priorities wrong. He should have got close to MoPo and the players instead of making hugely damaging statements about the club finances. If the Chairman says the finances are 'difficult' and 'awkward' this is not only heard by his intended audience, the fans to dampen expectations, but also the players, management, media, agents and other chairmen coveting our players. He seems to have left all things football to the experienced, but lacking in any form of charisma, Les Reed. Cortese used Reed in a different way to Ralph. I do not subscribe to the view these are bad people intent on asset stripping but I am convinced they lack experience and are out of their depth - KL, Ralph, Reed (in new role) and that other bloke who doesn't appear to do or say much. Oh and Gareth our bean counter turned CEO. The only one with charisma, and therefore leadership, is Ralph but he hasn't stepped up to the plate. Yet. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -4

12:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani.

No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...
As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani. No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm... Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 5

12:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani.

No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...
Stinks doesn't it. A bit worse than bompey and skunts fans breath.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani. No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...[/p][/quote]Stinks doesn't it. A bit worse than bompey and skunts fans breath. J7junctionseven
  • Score: 1

12:20pm Tue 3 Jun 14

J7junctionseven says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it?

What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time.

And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :)

Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
Been a pr1ck all your life or just since you left infants school?
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx[/p][/quote]Been a pr1ck all your life or just since you left infants school? J7junctionseven
  • Score: 5

12:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Folkestone Saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani.

No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...
they saw us as a threat so will now try to divide and conquer us. I do believe that livermoan only bought Rickie so as to weaken our team, no dis-respect to him by it's not like they need him
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani. No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...[/p][/quote]they saw us as a threat so will now try to divide and conquer us. I do believe that livermoan only bought Rickie so as to weaken our team, no dis-respect to him by it's not like they need him Folkestone Saint
  • Score: 7

12:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying? george chivers
  • Score: -2

12:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Saddogitte says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
Are you saying that veryone could see his potential at 12 years old? I dont think it is too unfair to say that Southampton have put a lot more into developing the player than Bournemouth so why should Bournemouth yet a huge windfall? As for your manager - he was happy enough to leave you once before, why shouldnt he again?
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx[/p][/quote]Are you saying that veryone could see his potential at 12 years old? I dont think it is too unfair to say that Southampton have put a lot more into developing the player than Bournemouth so why should Bournemouth yet a huge windfall? As for your manager - he was happy enough to leave you once before, why shouldnt he again? Saddogitte
  • Score: 3

12:36pm Tue 3 Jun 14

loosehead says...

make them put in a transfer request or let them go get the money straight away & then pray they get injured & of no use to their new club.
I played Rugby for 20years & if when I was younger I had played it & been offered to play for a number of big clubs I'd pick the one that was best for me.
If I playing was enjoyable & I was called up for England I'd have been in seventh heaven playing premier Rugby playing for England whilst enjoying playing so why would I need to move?
Lambert going back to his roots I can understand But these other two?
You reach the greatest moment of your career playing for your country so the only reason can be greed. They're going for the money so surely it's about time a cap on what clubs can pay in wages for the whole squad must be introduced as it is in Rugby. Then what type of team would you have paying one player £150,000 a week?
make them put in a transfer request or let them go get the money straight away & then pray they get injured & of no use to their new club. I played Rugby for 20years & if when I was younger I had played it & been offered to play for a number of big clubs I'd pick the one that was best for me. If I playing was enjoyable & I was called up for England I'd have been in seventh heaven playing premier Rugby playing for England whilst enjoying playing so why would I need to move? Lambert going back to his roots I can understand But these other two? You reach the greatest moment of your career playing for your country so the only reason can be greed. They're going for the money so surely it's about time a cap on what clubs can pay in wages for the whole squad must be introduced as it is in Rugby. Then what type of team would you have paying one player £150,000 a week? loosehead
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Tue 3 Jun 14

batesieboy says...

Confucious wrote:
Grrrrrr....

Come on Italy!
I'm sure you're joking Confucious...but thumbs up. I must admit, all this has left me a bit cold on England. Hodgson really needs to shut his face, for a start!
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Grrrrrr.... Come on Italy![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're joking Confucious...but thumbs up. I must admit, all this has left me a bit cold on England. Hodgson really needs to shut his face, for a start! batesieboy
  • Score: 6

12:54pm Tue 3 Jun 14

DisplacedFan says...

Folkestone Saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani.

No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...
they saw us as a threat so will now try to divide and conquer us. I do believe that livermoan only bought Rickie so as to weaken our team, no dis-respect to him by it's not like they need him
I hear you, but then what about Gerrard begging the club to sign Rickie? I don't see SRL playing much and wonder if he would have seen more glory staying with us. Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]Folkestone Saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: As I lie in the bath getting ready to purchase an item on eBay (at the last minute, thereby crushing and destroying the hopes of all those that have been bidding over the last ten days), I am minded of something. I don't normally subscribe to conspiracy theories but has anyone noticed that the top clubs have divied up our stars between them? That there is no bidding war? Liverpool - Rickie, Adam and Dejan. Man U - Luke and apparently Nat. Tottenham - MoPo and Jay. Arsenal - Morgan and Calum. Absolutely no one - Dani. No healthy competition to push the prices up. Hmmm...[/p][/quote]they saw us as a threat so will now try to divide and conquer us. I do believe that livermoan only bought Rickie so as to weaken our team, no dis-respect to him by it's not like they need him[/p][/quote]I hear you, but then what about Gerrard begging the club to sign Rickie? I don't see SRL playing much and wonder if he would have seen more glory staying with us. Time will tell. DisplacedFan
  • Score: 3

12:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

PTID1898 says...

So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!! PTID1898
  • Score: -7

12:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

batesieboy wrote:
Confucious wrote:
Grrrrrr....

Come on Italy!
I'm sure you're joking Confucious...but thumbs up. I must admit, all this has left me a bit cold on England. Hodgson really needs to shut his face, for a start!
I didn't even watch the friendly against Peru and I've been to three tournaments over the years and we've had three players called up.
[quote][p][bold]batesieboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Grrrrrr.... Come on Italy![/p][/quote]I'm sure you're joking Confucious...but thumbs up. I must admit, all this has left me a bit cold on England. Hodgson really needs to shut his face, for a start![/p][/quote]I didn't even watch the friendly against Peru and I've been to three tournaments over the years and we've had three players called up. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied. SaintJD
  • Score: 7

1:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

guest74 says...

They are under contract so make them stay and play for the under 21 side. I'm sick of this generation of footballers, all they think about is money and champions league football. The two of them have only just broken into the England squad and could do alot worse than staying here for at least another season.

There is no loyalty these days and the game is getting ruined because of it. How are teams supposed to challenge the so called top 6 if they keep taking our players. I honestly believe we were building something special here based on young home grown talent and with the addition of a few quality signings I think we could have have been a force in a few years.

I hope that we bring in Koeman and he can sign some young dutch talent who may be more loyal!
They are under contract so make them stay and play for the under 21 side. I'm sick of this generation of footballers, all they think about is money and champions league football. The two of them have only just broken into the England squad and could do alot worse than staying here for at least another season. There is no loyalty these days and the game is getting ruined because of it. How are teams supposed to challenge the so called top 6 if they keep taking our players. I honestly believe we were building something special here based on young home grown talent and with the addition of a few quality signings I think we could have have been a force in a few years. I hope that we bring in Koeman and he can sign some young dutch talent who may be more loyal! guest74
  • Score: 5

1:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

I've stopped reading the sports columns in the rags because of the blatant nonsense being written there. However this one was brought to my attention last night. From the Daily Wail yesterday. Interesting lesson in this for Saints. The real lesson is in the last paragraph. I know there are those who have posted pretty much what it says initially, on this forum. I'm beginning to this what he says about Spuds is a message to us and maybe we should heed it.

Tim Sherwood was right. In the end Tottenham Hotspur were not happy until they had landed a foreign coach and now have one in Mauricio Pochettino. That Sherwood defeated Pochettino's Southampton home and away last season is overlooked; as is the fact the Argentine's eighth -placed finish at St Mary's equals the best performance of his career. Pochettino's record suggest he makes a big impact af first and then fades.
Espanyhol were in the relegation places when he arrived in January 2009 and he led them to tenth place. After that he finished 11th, 8th, 14th and was sacked in November 2012 with the club bottom lf La Liga. Southampton were 15th when he took over in January 2013 and he finished 14th before making them a top half team in his first full season.
Yet, Pochettino's greatest achievements at Southampton involved refining what was already there. His transer dealings - Lovren, Wanyama, and Osvaldo at a cost of £36m have a one in three success rate.
If he can work his familiar magic with Tottenham it could be a useful first campaign; If he can sustain it over his five year contract - it will just be a first
(As for Southampton, it is now said they will play hardball by demanding £30m each for Shaw and Lallana. Selling at a high price, however, isn't hardball. That is what Tottenham do, and it never works. Saying no and meaning it is hardball.)
I've stopped reading the sports columns in the rags because of the blatant nonsense being written there. However this one was brought to my attention last night. From the Daily Wail yesterday. Interesting lesson in this for Saints. The real lesson is in the last paragraph. I know there are those who have posted pretty much what it says initially, on this forum. I'm beginning to this what he says about Spuds is a message to us and maybe we should heed it. Tim Sherwood was right. In the end Tottenham Hotspur were not happy until they had landed a foreign coach and now have one in Mauricio Pochettino. That Sherwood defeated Pochettino's Southampton home and away last season is overlooked; as is the fact the Argentine's eighth -placed finish at St Mary's equals the best performance of his career. Pochettino's record suggest he makes a big impact af first and then fades. Espanyhol were in the relegation places when he arrived in January 2009 and he led them to tenth place. After that he finished 11th, 8th, 14th and was sacked in November 2012 with the club bottom lf La Liga. Southampton were 15th when he took over in January 2013 and he finished 14th before making them a top half team in his first full season. Yet, Pochettino's greatest achievements at Southampton involved refining what was already there. His transer dealings - Lovren, Wanyama, and Osvaldo at a cost of £36m have a one in three success rate. If he can work his familiar magic with Tottenham it could be a useful first campaign; If he can sustain it over his five year contract - it will just be a first (As for Southampton, it is now said they will play hardball by demanding £30m each for Shaw and Lallana. Selling at a high price, however, isn't hardball. That is what Tottenham do, and it never works. Saying no and meaning it is hardball.) jls217
  • Score: 3

1:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it?

What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time.

And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :)

Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
Thanks for your sarcastic concern, but I think we'll be fine next season, whatever. We may need to rebuild heavily if the board caves in, but we'll be fine, just maybe not where we hoped to be. Life goes on. We're by far the best placed club on the south coast in terms of financial stability and structure (not bragging, but few could legitimately argue with that), so whatever happens I see a bright future in the longer term.

Of course nobody (nobody I've heard anyway) begrudges you any payment due. I think that's just another case of the little man syndrome some bored Bournemouth fans like to adopt with the Saints. I have to admit to looking out for your results as you are a decent, honest club doing exceptionally well and, personally, I like Bournemouth and always will.

Sincerely good luck for next season and, if we do (wrongly) choose to sell Adam I'm delighted you'll get the money you deserve for bringing him through and hope you use if well.
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx[/p][/quote]Thanks for your sarcastic concern, but I think we'll be fine next season, whatever. We may need to rebuild heavily if the board caves in, but we'll be fine, just maybe not where we hoped to be. Life goes on. We're by far the best placed club on the south coast in terms of financial stability and structure (not bragging, but few could legitimately argue with that), so whatever happens I see a bright future in the longer term. Of course nobody (nobody I've heard anyway) begrudges you any payment due. I think that's just another case of the little man syndrome some bored Bournemouth fans like to adopt with the Saints. I have to admit to looking out for your results as you are a decent, honest club doing exceptionally well and, personally, I like Bournemouth and always will. Sincerely good luck for next season and, if we do (wrongly) choose to sell Adam I'm delighted you'll get the money you deserve for bringing him through and hope you use if well. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

1:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

deepheat wrote:
Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool? Surely his agent would be doing that. Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet.
Furthermore, why would he believe that Liverpool have even made an offer Steven Gerrard
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool? Surely his agent would be doing that. Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet.[/p][/quote]Furthermore, why would he believe that Liverpool have even made an offer Steven Gerrard Jesus_02
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

deepheat wrote:
Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool? Surely his agent would be doing that. Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet.
Furthermore, why would he believe that Liverpool have even made an offer Steven Gerrard
[quote][p][bold]deepheat[/bold] wrote: Why would Lallana phone the board about answers to his move to Liverpool? Surely his agent would be doing that. Woy Hodgson needs to have a word with Shaw and Lallana and explain that at 32 Rickie Lambert has earned his right to a Liverpool move and they have done feck all yet.[/p][/quote]Furthermore, why would he believe that Liverpool have even made an offer Steven Gerrard Jesus_02
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

kiddynamite says...

Saints is for sale ;-)
Saints is for sale ;-) kiddynamite
  • Score: -1

1:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

PTID1898 wrote:
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
Come on Italia, come on saints.
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Come on Italia, come on saints. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 8

1:20pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Poole Tom says...

I agree that no else should be sold either before the WC or until after our new manager has been appointed. I also agree that any player wanting to leave should be told that for that to happen he will need to hand in a transfer request. In my view we should also demand top dollar for anyone that does leave because we don`t need the money so we don`t need to compromise. However I also think that us fans should except that if we obtain the sort of fees that are being suggested for our players we should`nt feel too hard done by when you consider that we originally pinched Bale from Cardiff and Lallana from Bournemouth. Finally and perhaps the most difficult of all we should withhold judgement on the new board of directors until we see who they appoint as manager and who that manager then buys with the seemingly ever increasing war chest that we look likely to have, because after all it`s just possible that some of the players that we but may be better than some of those that we sell.
I agree that no else should be sold either before the WC or until after our new manager has been appointed. I also agree that any player wanting to leave should be told that for that to happen he will need to hand in a transfer request. In my view we should also demand top dollar for anyone that does leave because we don`t need the money so we don`t need to compromise. However I also think that us fans should except that if we obtain the sort of fees that are being suggested for our players we should`nt feel too hard done by when you consider that we originally pinched Bale from Cardiff and Lallana from Bournemouth. Finally and perhaps the most difficult of all we should withhold judgement on the new board of directors until we see who they appoint as manager and who that manager then buys with the seemingly ever increasing war chest that we look likely to have, because after all it`s just possible that some of the players that we but may be better than some of those that we sell. Poole Tom
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rich'SFC'Parsons says...

saintinpattaya wrote:
We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale.
First time post......And this is just so true,B/Rovers have a sell on clause for SRL,so about time we cashed in.
[quote][p][bold]saintinpattaya[/bold] wrote: We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale.[/p][/quote]First time post......And this is just so true,B/Rovers have a sell on clause for SRL,so about time we cashed in. Rich'SFC'Parsons
  • Score: 5

1:22pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.
Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs.
I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress
ion of the club.
This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't.
Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease.
I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.[/p][/quote]That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.[/p][/quote]Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs. I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress ion of the club. This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't. Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease. I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable! St.Winch70
  • Score: -1

1:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rich'SFC'Parsons says...

saintinpattaya wrote:
We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale.
This is just so true......B/Rovers have (20%) I think sell on clause for SRL,so about time we cashed in,or rather looked to the future,just in case.
[quote][p][bold]saintinpattaya[/bold] wrote: We must get a sell on clause for them both or miss out on a bumper pay day as we did with Bale.[/p][/quote]This is just so true......B/Rovers have (20%) I think sell on clause for SRL,so about time we cashed in,or rather looked to the future,just in case. Rich'SFC'Parsons
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

THE12THMAN wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
Come on Italia, come on saints.
Thanks for you invaluable insights Pigshit Thick and In Debt.
Is 1898 the date you last had an original thought by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]THE12THMAN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Come on Italia, come on saints.[/p][/quote]Thanks for you invaluable insights Pigshit Thick and In Debt. Is 1898 the date you last had an original thought by any chance? jls217
  • Score: 1

1:36pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable.[/p][/quote]Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different. Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child
  • Score: 0

1:39pm Tue 3 Jun 14

F Fan says...

Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed).

Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them.

On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow.

There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke.
Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed). Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them. On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow. There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke. F Fan
  • Score: 2

1:41pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rich'SFC'Parsons says...

PTID1898 wrote:
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
And I take it that you will be urging SRL on at the World Cup now he is no longer a Saints player.....What about your views on AL and LS,will you support them??
I will be urging England on at the World Cup,no matter who they play for.
P.S I have a mate that is a Pompey fan,we have good banter between us and that is all it is.
Super Saints
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]And I take it that you will be urging SRL on at the World Cup now he is no longer a Saints player.....What about your views on AL and LS,will you support them?? I will be urging England on at the World Cup,no matter who they play for. P.S I have a mate that is a Pompey fan,we have good banter between us and that is all it is. Super Saints Rich'SFC'Parsons
  • Score: 5

1:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Dorssaints says...

Have to say that I accept that both players want to move on and they should (at the right price) be allowed to do so. However that doesn't mean that we should immediatly hate them. Lallana has stayed loyal until now and we are likely to get £30m (less Bmth cut) for him. Shaw likewiseshould be allowed to go and £27m is a lot of money for a left back.
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Saints will come back bigger and stronger no two players make a club, and a transfer pot of £50m should surely ensure that we come back bigger and stronger.
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Chamberlain left, Bale left, Walcott left, the only diffrence is that this time around we will replace Adam and Luke with big signings, and they have the risk of a season sitting on the bench.
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Let us not be bitter, we are Saints we should be above that !!!!
Have to say that I accept that both players want to move on and they should (at the right price) be allowed to do so. However that doesn't mean that we should immediatly hate them. Lallana has stayed loyal until now and we are likely to get £30m (less Bmth cut) for him. Shaw likewiseshould be allowed to go and £27m is a lot of money for a left back. . Saints will come back bigger and stronger no two players make a club, and a transfer pot of £50m should surely ensure that we come back bigger and stronger. . Chamberlain left, Bale left, Walcott left, the only diffrence is that this time around we will replace Adam and Luke with big signings, and they have the risk of a season sitting on the bench. . Let us not be bitter, we are Saints we should be above that !!!! Dorssaints
  • Score: -2

1:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.
Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs.
I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress

ion of the club.
This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't.
Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease.
I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable!
I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.[/p][/quote]That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.[/p][/quote]Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs. I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress ion of the club. This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't. Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease. I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable![/p][/quote]I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

1:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

lowe esteem says...

Sainty saint saint wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
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[quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.[/p][/quote]£ lowe esteem
  • Score: 1

1:54pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

lowe esteem wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool
I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players.

Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know.

But it stinks to me.

It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance.

Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'.

I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.
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hodgeson has been a scout all season thats why he was at our stadium so many times me thinks . it wasnt just for england but the top 5 clubs
[quote][p][bold]lowe esteem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: What has any of this got to do with Hodgeson. What business is it of his to say that he will allow clubs to do a medical. He simpley does not need to make statements like that. I can only assume that he considers this building a relationship with United and L'Pool[/p][/quote]I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist, but to me this is starting to reek of more than big clubs tapping up players. Hodgson seems to be actively trying to help engineer moves for England players at 'smaller' clubs. Whether he's doing this because of his own preference for England players to be playing at the 'big' clubs or whether it's the FA trying to make it all happen 'for the good of English football' I don't know. But it stinks to me. It's very strange how all three players (RL, AL, LS) were all very happy to be part of the Saints team and sign long contracts before playing for England, then as soon as they're away with the England team they want to move. They don't really strike me as the big ego types who get a whiff of the big time and then forget all about the club that gave them a chance. Someone's saying to them 'if you want to keep playing for England you need to be playing for one of the Champions League teams, so we'll do all we can to engineer moves for you'. I was surprised at RL but could understand it. I do NOT understand AL or LS wanting to leave before even seeing who our new manager is going to be.[/p][/quote]£[/p][/quote]hodgeson has been a scout all season thats why he was at our stadium so many times me thinks . it wasnt just for england but the top 5 clubs mickey01
  • Score: 2

1:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.
Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs.
I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress


ion of the club.
This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't.
Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease.
I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable!
I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot.
It is the responsibility of the board and the new manager to ensure that doesn't happen - the alternative is nine unhappy players going through the motions till their contract ends or the manager has had enough.
It absolutely can end with the three that you mention. New Manager onboard, sells his vision to the players, introduces new talent and plays in an entertaining way, winning matches. (This is all dependent on the Board having the appetite - I cannot speak with authority on that one)
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.[/p][/quote]That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.[/p][/quote]Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs. I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress ion of the club. This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't. Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease. I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable![/p][/quote]I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot.[/p][/quote]It is the responsibility of the board and the new manager to ensure that doesn't happen - the alternative is nine unhappy players going through the motions till their contract ends or the manager has had enough. It absolutely can end with the three that you mention. New Manager onboard, sells his vision to the players, introduces new talent and plays in an entertaining way, winning matches. (This is all dependent on the Board having the appetite - I cannot speak with authority on that one) St.Winch70
  • Score: 1

1:59pm Tue 3 Jun 14

TGodSFC says...

Everyone seen what Laudrup said, what a bell. Didn’t want him anyway but still, alienate yourself much.
Everyone seen what Laudrup said, what a bell. Didn’t want him anyway but still, alienate yourself much. TGodSFC
  • Score: 1

2:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere?

Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they?

There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture.

Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool.

If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us.

Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.
That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.
Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs.
I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress



ion of the club.
This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't.
Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease.
I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable!
I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot.
It is the responsibility of the board and the new manager to ensure that doesn't happen - the alternative is nine unhappy players going through the motions till their contract ends or the manager has had enough.
It absolutely can end with the three that you mention. New Manager onboard, sells his vision to the players, introduces new talent and plays in an entertaining way, winning matches. (This is all dependent on the Board having the appetite - I cannot speak with authority on that one)
Again you are coming from the right place, but based on the attitude of Luke and Adam I don't think you'll find many players sitting around waiting to hear what the board and manager have to say.

By the looks of it you'd have five or six transfer requests on the table by the end of the world cup. And they've not even been in the shop window yet.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]I thought he'd come out and said he was happy at Liverpool and was going nowhere? Liverpool won't sell him, because they've seen what is possible if you stick to your guns. Why would they? There is no doubt Suarez has his head turned, he too has a short career, he too was unhappy, but the club saw the bigger picture. Now, a year on, he is happier than ever and everyone wants to join Liverpool. If we hold on to our best players we attract more televised games, we get the England manager turning up to our games and he spots more young players to promote. More players want to join us. Now I've never been one to say we should be winning the league, but we have to have the ambition to improve and you ain't going to do that if you dismantle the best team of a generation at the first sign of trouble.[/p][/quote]That's the point. If we had one star player who was being sought by various other clubs then it would be inevitable he would go (unless he had a French sounding name and was a total god). However what we have here are several star players so is our overall team any worse than say Man Utd? Well one league place worse that's all but much younger so a tea with more potential - unless you break it up. If we do it St Winch's way we will stride forward, then slip back, then stride forward, then slip back until one day the academy isn't producing at that very moment or the replacement we buy turns out to be a dud and we go down. St Winch may not realise it but he is advocating a return to the Lowe years.[/p][/quote]Actually Seedhouse I'm not advocating a return to that era at all. What I am actually being is realistic...Players leave clubs. I am not advocating using our academy to line the pockets of shareholders to the detriment of the continued development/progress ion of the club. This is an extraordinary situation we are in, which we would no doubt have avoided had Cortese been steering the ship, but he isn't. Lallana seems as if he has made his mind up to go, we currently have no-one who is able to communicate another 'vision' to win him round. I am hoping, as that is all I can do, that the board can recruit a manager that can put all other players at ease. I stand by what I said, if he wants to go, get the right price for him and then wish him well, as with Shaw. They are both replaceable![/p][/quote]I don't think you're advocating it, but that's what will happen. Do you really think it all ends with Rickie, Luke and Adam? It's like being held to ransom - once you've done it once the floodgates open. As the club has stated, there are multiple offers in for multiple player and, with every player that goes, the reasons for others being unhappy and wanting to leave are multiplied. If you show you are happy to be held to ransom, you'll be, err, held to ransom a hell of a lot.[/p][/quote]It is the responsibility of the board and the new manager to ensure that doesn't happen - the alternative is nine unhappy players going through the motions till their contract ends or the manager has had enough. It absolutely can end with the three that you mention. New Manager onboard, sells his vision to the players, introduces new talent and plays in an entertaining way, winning matches. (This is all dependent on the Board having the appetite - I cannot speak with authority on that one)[/p][/quote]Again you are coming from the right place, but based on the attitude of Luke and Adam I don't think you'll find many players sitting around waiting to hear what the board and manager have to say. By the looks of it you'd have five or six transfer requests on the table by the end of the world cup. And they've not even been in the shop window yet. SaintJD
  • Score: -3

2:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different.
Absolutely.
[quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable.[/p][/quote]Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different.[/p][/quote]Absolutely. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business mickey01
  • Score: -3

2:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saint phil says...

WELL ITS TAP-TIME ,still what can you expect .All the the talk of loyalty, sod them ask 40 mill each they sign a contract hold them too it.
WELL ITS TAP-TIME ,still what can you expect .All the the talk of loyalty, sod them ask 40 mill each they sign a contract hold them too it. saint phil
  • Score: 5

2:05pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Outside of the Box says...

Let them both formerly ask for a transfer. The Board have their valuation of both players, if that is not met by the so-called big Clubs then they should not be sold, they both have contracts (for what they're worth) at Southampton FC, If no other Club buys them, leave then to train with the academy players, messing up their chances of future England call ups after the World Cup, why should the Club be held to ransom by two players who want out.
Let them both formerly ask for a transfer. The Board have their valuation of both players, if that is not met by the so-called big Clubs then they should not be sold, they both have contracts (for what they're worth) at Southampton FC, If no other Club buys them, leave then to train with the academy players, messing up their chances of future England call ups after the World Cup, why should the Club be held to ransom by two players who want out. Outside of the Box
  • Score: 4

2:13pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

2:16pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...

F Fan wrote:
Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed).

Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them.

On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow.

There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke.
I have calmed down a bit, but not entirely. You are dead right I do not know that Cortese left because KL wouldn't invest but I'd bet a lot on that. Apparently he was offered an 'eye watering' sum of money to stay, we know he didn't. Same with MoPo, apparently we offered him £6m to stay, we know he didn't. If they didn't move for money as appears the case, then it strongly points to the ambition being watered down.

I was told by the CEO of aap3 that Cortese was chairman of both Saints and the Liebherr trust, so whilst the whole protracted probate thing was going on he was effectively answerable to himself. I guess he got used to that.
[quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed). Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them. On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow. There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke.[/p][/quote]I have calmed down a bit, but not entirely. You are dead right I do not know that Cortese left because KL wouldn't invest but I'd bet a lot on that. Apparently he was offered an 'eye watering' sum of money to stay, we know he didn't. Same with MoPo, apparently we offered him £6m to stay, we know he didn't. If they didn't move for money as appears the case, then it strongly points to the ambition being watered down. I was told by the CEO of aap3 that Cortese was chairman of both Saints and the Liebherr trust, so whilst the whole protracted probate thing was going on he was effectively answerable to himself. I guess he got used to that. Seedhouse the Unrepentant
  • Score: -1

2:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Sainty saint saint wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!)

The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?
You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen.

Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing.

Highly predictable and highly preventable.
Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different.
Absolutely.
Indeed. That said - did you have a four year contract to honour or a market value. It's the same, yes, but different.

I have a tiny bit of sympathy for players signing and then circumstances changing - but then the club is also risking them being injured or losing form, so it is a risk on both sides.

I can also understand players pointing to an element of slavery in not having 100% freedom of movement in their careers, but they aren't doing it for free and they are freely signing these long term contracts for their benefits as much as ours.

Why do they sign them? Four years probably means a higher wage, plus more security - if not why not sign for one or two maximum. Has to work both ways.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cpt. Kirk's illegitimate love child[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sainty saint saint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]I understand and kind of agree with what you're saying, but I was under the impression that the 'Southampton Way' was supposed to focus on a particular club culture and way of playing that didn't rely on any one person being present (not even NC, although I doubt he ever meant that!) The idea was that managers could and would come and go, but the ethos and style would always remain the same, from the under 10s up to the first team. I thought THAT is what the players bought into, so why are they all so upset that MoPo walked?[/p][/quote]You are correct but the loss of the Architect of the whole thing, Cortese, was the biggest single loss of any one individual possible. His departure suddenly made the retention of MoPo considerably more important than it would otherwise have been. The players told us that themselves, unfortunately the board chose not to listen. Cork sat with a friend at the awards dinner and said Kreuger had only spoken to him twice. Personal relationships are just as important as the culture in any business. Cortese had got close with the players (which is not the same as trying to influence team selection). Kreuger and the new board should have waded in but remained aloof meaning the relationships were confined to playing and coaching staff. Then the board sacked Dodds and Williams. Then the entire first team coaching staff left. Then the senior player, Rickie, was allowed to leave. If you're a young lad in the side who do you turn to within the club to discuss your future? When all around you seem to be moving on your thoughts turn to the same thing. Highly predictable and highly preventable.[/p][/quote]Good post Seed. Some years back I was persuaded to join a firm by the managing partner who sold me her vision for expansion and the opportunities that this would present me to further my career. A couple of years later she resigned having fallen out with the senior partner about the direction she was taking the firm in. The business manager then resigned too. Needless to say I was soon on my way to join a competitor because I felt the firm's ambition no longer matched my own and the opportunities for me were limited. Sound familiar? Can happen in any walk of life. Football is no different.[/p][/quote]Absolutely.[/p][/quote]Indeed. That said - did you have a four year contract to honour or a market value. It's the same, yes, but different. I have a tiny bit of sympathy for players signing and then circumstances changing - but then the club is also risking them being injured or losing form, so it is a risk on both sides. I can also understand players pointing to an element of slavery in not having 100% freedom of movement in their careers, but they aren't doing it for free and they are freely signing these long term contracts for their benefits as much as ours. Why do they sign them? Four years probably means a higher wage, plus more security - if not why not sign for one or two maximum. Has to work both ways. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Bet poor old Woy aint too happy.Serves him right for sticking his nose into our club's affairs. These 2 have clearly had their heads turned by the overhyped , underperforming, overpaid "superstars". Transfer requests required please. Then all any interested club has to do is meet the valuation price . £30 mil for each player. Pay up or shut up
Agreed. But Saints should hold firm on their valuation and as I said above, ENSURE the buying club pays the Bournemouth share. Why not? I call that add-ons, but sort of in reverse!

The worst that could happen is the bidding clubs walk away. Good.

Different as regards Luke but, again, do NOT surrender on the valuation.

Finally, new manager, just say NO - "I need them in my plans, so go away".
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: Bet poor old Woy aint too happy.Serves him right for sticking his nose into our club's affairs. These 2 have clearly had their heads turned by the overhyped , underperforming, overpaid "superstars". Transfer requests required please. Then all any interested club has to do is meet the valuation price . £30 mil for each player. Pay up or shut up[/p][/quote]Agreed. But Saints should hold firm on their valuation and as I said above, ENSURE the buying club pays the Bournemouth share. Why not? I call that add-ons, but sort of in reverse! The worst that could happen is the bidding clubs walk away. Good. Different as regards Luke but, again, do NOT surrender on the valuation. Finally, new manager, just say NO - "I need them in my plans, so go away". saintbobby
  • Score: 1

2:28pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

loosehead wrote:
make them put in a transfer request or let them go get the money straight away & then pray they get injured & of no use to their new club.
I played Rugby for 20years & if when I was younger I had played it & been offered to play for a number of big clubs I'd pick the one that was best for me.
If I playing was enjoyable & I was called up for England I'd have been in seventh heaven playing premier Rugby playing for England whilst enjoying playing so why would I need to move?
Lambert going back to his roots I can understand But these other two?
You reach the greatest moment of your career playing for your country so the only reason can be greed. They're going for the money so surely it's about time a cap on what clubs can pay in wages for the whole squad must be introduced as it is in Rugby. Then what type of team would you have paying one player £150,000 a week?
'Pray they get injured' brilliant! Another insight into your bitter little persona! Spoken like a person who has never had any kind of sporting ability ever.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: make them put in a transfer request or let them go get the money straight away & then pray they get injured & of no use to their new club. I played Rugby for 20years & if when I was younger I had played it & been offered to play for a number of big clubs I'd pick the one that was best for me. If I playing was enjoyable & I was called up for England I'd have been in seventh heaven playing premier Rugby playing for England whilst enjoying playing so why would I need to move? Lambert going back to his roots I can understand But these other two? You reach the greatest moment of your career playing for your country so the only reason can be greed. They're going for the money so surely it's about time a cap on what clubs can pay in wages for the whole squad must be introduced as it is in Rugby. Then what type of team would you have paying one player £150,000 a week?[/p][/quote]'Pray they get injured' brilliant! Another insight into your bitter little persona! Spoken like a person who has never had any kind of sporting ability ever. St.Winch70
  • Score: 0

2:32pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintbobby says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
Not sure why you have got these thumbs down. I fail to see why any of us can truly not agree this is exactly what has happened. And I am really sad about this - a great shame. Up the Saints in their stripes as mentioned/hoped for above.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you have got these thumbs down. I fail to see why any of us can truly not agree this is exactly what has happened. And I am really sad about this - a great shame. Up the Saints in their stripes as mentioned/hoped for above. saintbobby
  • Score: 0

2:39pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity. St.Winch70
  • Score: -2

2:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet? Rising_Son
  • Score: 5

2:46pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintmicky says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
It was Saint JD who straight after reading this went round and stirred Lalla's neighbour up over the football pitch in his back garden 'back of the net', just when he thought he would be reliving the world cup highlights with his family and friends, thats ruined his summer!
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]It was Saint JD who straight after reading this went round and stirred Lalla's neighbour up over the football pitch in his back garden 'back of the net', just when he thought he would be reliving the world cup highlights with his family and friends, thats ruined his summer! saintmicky
  • Score: 2

2:47pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
F Fan wrote:
Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed).

Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them.

On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow.

There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke.
I have calmed down a bit, but not entirely. You are dead right I do not know that Cortese left because KL wouldn't invest but I'd bet a lot on that. Apparently he was offered an 'eye watering' sum of money to stay, we know he didn't. Same with MoPo, apparently we offered him £6m to stay, we know he didn't. If they didn't move for money as appears the case, then it strongly points to the ambition being watered down.

I was told by the CEO of aap3 that Cortese was chairman of both Saints and the Liebherr trust, so whilst the whole protracted probate thing was going on he was effectively answerable to himself. I guess he got used to that.
But if KL offered NC and MoPo bumper pay deals then surely she was willing to continue to bankroll progress. Or are you saying she offered them bumper pay deals on the understanding that there would be no other money made available?

I think NC left because she wanted some control back, not because of lack of vision or ambition on her part.

I don't know why MoPo left!
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]F Fan[/bold] wrote: Certainly agree with the prevailing mood here – don’t sell anyone else until a new manager is in place and after the World Cup. But why on earth do so many people always seem to believe the latest media report – today Ben Smith’s article. Don’t believe for a minute that he has spoken to AL and LS - but might well have with their agents, even without the players’ knowledge as it is in their self interest to engineer a move. A few days ago everyone was believing that deals had already been struck for both players and the Board was lying. All nonsense (the RL bid came in after RK had made his media statements and was a special case exception to his general rule that no one would be let go ahead of a new manager being appointed). Whatever the truth of these two players wanting to leave, they should certainly be required to put in a transfer request, for the protection of the Board from the hysterical critics who have vented their bile on this forum over the last week if nothing else. I have a bit of sympathy with AL at 26 wanting his chance of playing CL and wanting more money. He has perhaps given us as much as the club has given him. Luke should be told he is going nowhere, however. There is no way someone of his age is going to stop giving his all in that situation – all this talk of putting him in the reserves is nonsense. He needs to perform to keep his England place and to attract suitors for if and when the Club does want to sell. Until then, he owes us and most certainly he can be held to his contract. It’s just irrational nonsense to say that clubs can’t enforce them. On other hand, £35 million for a left back (with suitable add-ons in light of what happened with Bale) might be considered good business if the new manger needed more to spend on forwards than the Board was willing to allow. There is as yet no domino effect - just the press creating an illusion of one. It might to an extent be a self-fulfilling prophecy of course - but it might not. Good to see that Seedhouse has calmed down a bit from last week but I don’t think he can possibly know that Cortese left because KL wouldn’t invest. It is surely just as likely that she wanted to put in a normal board structure rather than allow him to continue as a one man band. I have been a Cortese fan since day one, for most of that time in a small minority, but I have no information that would justify me thinking that KL is the baddy in what happened. She made it very clear she wanted him to stay and none of us know what made him walk away. The structure now is very different. I wouldn’t expect RK to be in direct contact with all the players all of the time – Les Reed’s role has changed since NC left and the new CEO is also a factor. I don’t doubt, however, that all the talk, and NC and RL going, has unsettled players. To steady that ship, we need a new manager in place quickly, some activity on players in and a symbolic “not for sale at any price” on some of our stars, for example Luke.[/p][/quote]I have calmed down a bit, but not entirely. You are dead right I do not know that Cortese left because KL wouldn't invest but I'd bet a lot on that. Apparently he was offered an 'eye watering' sum of money to stay, we know he didn't. Same with MoPo, apparently we offered him £6m to stay, we know he didn't. If they didn't move for money as appears the case, then it strongly points to the ambition being watered down. I was told by the CEO of aap3 that Cortese was chairman of both Saints and the Liebherr trust, so whilst the whole protracted probate thing was going on he was effectively answerable to himself. I guess he got used to that.[/p][/quote]But if KL offered NC and MoPo bumper pay deals then surely she was willing to continue to bankroll progress. Or are you saying she offered them bumper pay deals on the understanding that there would be no other money made available? I think NC left because she wanted some control back, not because of lack of vision or ambition on her part. I don't know why MoPo left! Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 1

2:50pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Sainty saint saint says...

saintbobby wrote:
Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
Not sure why you have got these thumbs down. I fail to see why any of us can truly not agree this is exactly what has happened. And I am really sad about this - a great shame. Up the Saints in their stripes as mentioned/hoped for above.
I think the thumbs down come from people who think Seed is suggesting that it was the board's fault that MoPo wasn't retained. Many people, including me, think MoPo walked for his own reasons, and there was little the board could reasonably do to stop him.
[quote][p][bold]saintbobby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]Not sure why you have got these thumbs down. I fail to see why any of us can truly not agree this is exactly what has happened. And I am really sad about this - a great shame. Up the Saints in their stripes as mentioned/hoped for above.[/p][/quote]I think the thumbs down come from people who think Seed is suggesting that it was the board's fault that MoPo wasn't retained. Many people, including me, think MoPo walked for his own reasons, and there was little the board could reasonably do to stop him. Sainty saint saint
  • Score: 3

2:51pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Confucious says...

Mrs Wilson says she's staying.

Mrs Wilson baby....Mrs Wilson whooooa-hooa-ho!
Mrs Wilson says she's staying. Mrs Wilson baby....Mrs Wilson whooooa-hooa-ho! Confucious
  • Score: 2

2:51pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jesus_02 says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
If lallana goes you will get 6m for a 13yr Old so I think some gratitude may be in order. And no, we dont want your manager thanks. He only seems to be any good with you.
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx[/p][/quote]If lallana goes you will get 6m for a 13yr Old so I think some gratitude may be in order. And no, we dont want your manager thanks. He only seems to be any good with you. Jesus_02
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?[/p][/quote]Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual. St.Winch70
  • Score: -1

2:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

ItchenBridger says...

mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea? ItchenBridger
  • Score: -1

3:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.
You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?[/p][/quote]Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right? Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

3:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.
You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right?
Did you read my answer?
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?[/p][/quote]Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right?[/p][/quote]Did you read my answer? St.Winch70
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.
You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right?
Did you read my answer?
Yes. You said it depends on the manager, which doesn't seem to answer the question: Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?[/p][/quote]Depends on the character of the new manager, his plan, what he has to say, who he plans to bring in and more importantly how he deals with each individual.[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that Lallana and Shaw leaving will have no effect on the remaining players. Is that right?[/p][/quote]Did you read my answer?[/p][/quote]Yes. You said it depends on the manager, which doesn't seem to answer the question: Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet? Rising_Son
  • Score: 2

3:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

george chivers says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going. george chivers
  • Score: 0

3:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Rising_Son says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
I'm sure that like nearly everyone else, JD will have his hypocritical moments. How about you? How would you feel about it?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that like nearly everyone else, JD will have his hypocritical moments. How about you? How would you feel about it? Rising_Son
  • Score: 1

3:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

ItchenBridger wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
I don't know Much at all.
[quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?[/p][/quote]I don't know Much at all. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 2

3:59pm Tue 3 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

St.Winch70,
I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things.

firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests.
do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter.
you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others?
you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others?
as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen.
sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one.
as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.
St.Winch70, I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things. firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests. do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter. you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others? you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others? as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen. sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one. as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 3

4:01pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

Rising_Son wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not.

However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway).

There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ.

Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds.

Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable?

I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.
Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep.
Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw.
I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.
Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?
Indeed, and we've been waiting for Gaston to step into Adam's boots for two seasons - he's maybe perfect for replacing his creativity, but he's not perfect for replacing his work rate, tackling, attitude, reliability and fitness record. Adam's big step up this season has been the transformation from luxury player to complete player - that's hard to replace.

On the subject of replacements - getting a replacement of the same quality is hard for us and always will be - not just a case of flashing the cash so not as simple as some people make out.

Let's say we want to replace Adam. Who is similar to him in the English Premier League? Here's three options and it is arguable whether they are better than him: Ross Barkley, Jack Wilshere, Courtinho.

None of those players would come to Saints (and Courtihno is proof of that) and to be fair none of them would be available for £25 million.

That's why we have to keep hold of players of this quality if we have them contracted.

Replacing Luke will be hard, but it can be argued that filling that position with good enough quality is not as difficult.

Enrique or Buttner are two examples (again not sure if they'd come though). Not as good, but more than adequate with money over.

Don't forget wages as well - we secured Luke and Adam on long term deals for reasonable wages, particularly Luke due to age.

Any quality replacement, unless from within, is going to demand a lot more money to come (in my opinion).

I'm guessing both Luke and Adam are on way less than Gaston and Osvaldo.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Out of interest - whatever happens this summer, whether it's a doomsday scenario player wise or not, I'm still going to be a blind optimist when the new manager comes in and I'm still going to be massively excited wondering who we're going to buy and whether those players will do well or not. However, I'd like to think we can still be doing that without selling Luke and Adam (or at least not Adam anyway). There seems to be a perception that we won't have a transfer kitty if we don't sell them. I beg to differ. Firstly, the board will have funds from the TV/Sky/Prem. But of course if we sell Adam and Luke they'll probably conveniently hold on to these funds. Plus, I'd like to think we will sell some of the players we actually WANT to sell maybe - or is that being unreasonable? I'm not necessarily saying we want rid, but Mayuka, Maya, Gaston and Osvaldo would make for a very reasonable transfer kitty, even if we take a hit on them.[/p][/quote]Lallana and Shaw are gone.....It's a question of how many of the others that have itchy feet can we keep. Personally, I'd find it more of a blow if we lost Schneiderlin and Lovren than Lallana and Shaw. I wouldn't be in a rush to sell Gaston either - perfect replacement for Lallana's creativity.[/p][/quote]Do you think letting Lallana and Shaw go will make it easier or more difficult to keep the others that have itchy feet?[/p][/quote]Indeed, and we've been waiting for Gaston to step into Adam's boots for two seasons - he's maybe perfect for replacing his creativity, but he's not perfect for replacing his work rate, tackling, attitude, reliability and fitness record. Adam's big step up this season has been the transformation from luxury player to complete player - that's hard to replace. On the subject of replacements - getting a replacement of the same quality is hard for us and always will be - not just a case of flashing the cash so not as simple as some people make out. Let's say we want to replace Adam. Who is similar to him in the English Premier League? Here's three options and it is arguable whether they are better than him: Ross Barkley, Jack Wilshere, Courtinho. None of those players would come to Saints (and Courtihno is proof of that) and to be fair none of them would be available for £25 million. That's why we have to keep hold of players of this quality if we have them contracted. Replacing Luke will be hard, but it can be argued that filling that position with good enough quality is not as difficult. Enrique or Buttner are two examples (again not sure if they'd come though). Not as good, but more than adequate with money over. Don't forget wages as well - we secured Luke and Adam on long term deals for reasonable wages, particularly Luke due to age. Any quality replacement, unless from within, is going to demand a lot more money to come (in my opinion). I'm guessing both Luke and Adam are on way less than Gaston and Osvaldo. SaintJD
  • Score: 2

4:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

They will be on the first plane back from Brazil!
They will be on the first plane back from Brazil! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: -1

4:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

Whats that Scouser saying now we are a small fish in a big pond the plane is awaiting!
Whats that Scouser saying now we are a small fish in a big pond the plane is awaiting! Fatty x Ford Worker
  • Score: 0

4:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer.

If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage.

If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it.

I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too.

But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time.

As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts.

That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?
[quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer. If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage. If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it. I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too. But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time. As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts. That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them? SaintJD
  • Score: 3

4:17pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
ItchenBridger wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
I don't know Much at all.
sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?[/p][/quote]I don't know Much at all.[/p][/quote]sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing mickey01
  • Score: 0

4:24pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer.

If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage.

If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it.

I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too.

But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time.

As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts.

That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?
Sorry, was using other clubs as an example, but yes, I'd welcome any player that a club is silly enough not to fight for.

Of course, you take advantage of a club's weaknesses if you have any sense because that's where you find your value.

That's why we have multiple offers for multiple players. It's not because the players are any better than certain other highly regarded players at other clubs, it's because we've said we are open for business and will consider offers while others make it clear they don't want to do business.

In this situation, any club NOT trying to buy or unsettle our players are missing a trick.
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer. If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage. If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it. I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too. But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time. As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts. That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?[/p][/quote]Sorry, was using other clubs as an example, but yes, I'd welcome any player that a club is silly enough not to fight for. Of course, you take advantage of a club's weaknesses if you have any sense because that's where you find your value. That's why we have multiple offers for multiple players. It's not because the players are any better than certain other highly regarded players at other clubs, it's because we've said we are open for business and will consider offers while others make it clear they don't want to do business. In this situation, any club NOT trying to buy or unsettle our players are missing a trick. SaintJD
  • Score: 1

4:26pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jan28th1984 says...

"Lallana and Shaw tell Saints they want to leave this summer."

Well P*SS OFF THEN!
"Lallana and Shaw tell Saints they want to leave this summer." Well P*SS OFF THEN! Jan28th1984
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

mickey01 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
ItchenBridger wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
I don't know Much at all.
sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing
To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?[/p][/quote]I don't know Much at all.[/p][/quote]sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing[/p][/quote]To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 0

4:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

St.Winch70 says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
St.Winch70,
I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things.

firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests.
do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter.
you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others?
you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others?
as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen.
sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one.
as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.
I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay.
Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now.
If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: St.Winch70, I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things. firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests. do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter. you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others? you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others? as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen. sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one. as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay. Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now. If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do. St.Winch70
  • Score: 1

4:43pm Tue 3 Jun 14

holburysaint says...

PTID1898 wrote:
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
Why do these Skate supporters spend so much time on the Southampton Daily Echo? It must be as they have so little to discuss or want to on their site, anyway no matter who leaves the club before or after the world cup Saints fans can be very proud of the involvement past and present players will have . in Brazil playing for England and other countries. Come on England. It must so difficult for all skates that their bitter rivals had such a fantastic season in the Premier league whilst they struggled in LEAGUE 2, To sum up I cant name one single skate player LOL .
[quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Why do these Skate supporters spend so much time on the Southampton Daily Echo? It must be as they have so little to discuss or want to on their site, anyway no matter who leaves the club before or after the world cup Saints fans can be very proud of the involvement past and present players will have . in Brazil playing for England and other countries. Come on England. It must so difficult for all skates that their bitter rivals had such a fantastic season in the Premier league whilst they struggled in LEAGUE 2, To sum up I cant name one single skate player LOL . holburysaint
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jan28th1984 says...

holburysaint wrote:
PTID1898 wrote:
So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team ..

COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!
PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!!
Why do these Skate supporters spend so much time on the Southampton Daily Echo? It must be as they have so little to discuss or want to on their site, anyway no matter who leaves the club before or after the world cup Saints fans can be very proud of the involvement past and present players will have . in Brazil playing for England and other countries. Come on England. It must so difficult for all skates that their bitter rivals had such a fantastic season in the Premier league whilst they struggled in LEAGUE 2, To sum up I cant name one single skate player LOL .
Johnny Ertl? He is mustard.




(snigger)
[quote][p][bold]holburysaint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PTID1898[/bold] wrote: So because your soon to be ex players are going to leave soon, you all don't care about the World Cup, It figures that you don't k now how to support your club and country still a hand full of scummers is not that much of a big deal to worry about, the rest of the country will still support the national team .. COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!! PLAY UP POMPEY!!!!!!![/p][/quote]Why do these Skate supporters spend so much time on the Southampton Daily Echo? It must be as they have so little to discuss or want to on their site, anyway no matter who leaves the club before or after the world cup Saints fans can be very proud of the involvement past and present players will have . in Brazil playing for England and other countries. Come on England. It must so difficult for all skates that their bitter rivals had such a fantastic season in the Premier league whilst they struggled in LEAGUE 2, To sum up I cant name one single skate player LOL .[/p][/quote]Johnny Ertl? He is mustard. (snigger) Jan28th1984
  • Score: 2

4:48pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Jan28th1984 says...

Oh yea I know another one - there's that goldilocks kid at the back who Sam terrorised in the Youth Cup last season.
Oh yea I know another one - there's that goldilocks kid at the back who Sam terrorised in the Youth Cup last season. Jan28th1984
  • Score: 1

5:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

upwherewebelong says...

at least the lallana song lyrics could seemlessly be changed to Adam Lallana is Judas alright
at least the lallana song lyrics could seemlessly be changed to Adam Lallana is Judas alright upwherewebelong
  • Score: 0

5:24pm Tue 3 Jun 14

loosehead says...

SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer.

If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage.

If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it.

I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too.

But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time.

As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts.

That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?
teletext says Gaston is off?
[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer. If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage. If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it. I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too. But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time. As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts. That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?[/p][/quote]teletext says Gaston is off? loosehead
  • Score: 0

5:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Lets laugh lol says...

Pompey > Saints) why so many comments? do people work in Southampton?
Pompey > Saints) why so many comments? do people work in Southampton? Lets laugh lol
  • Score: -3

5:33pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
St.Winch70,
I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things.

firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests.
do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter.
you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others?
you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others?
as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen.
sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one.
as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.
I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay.
Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now.
If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do.
Yeah, I seriously do think that Suarez was told something along those lines. He would have been reminded of his responsibility to the club, that the club needed him and that the Arsenal bid was not high enough.

Obviously you aren't going to say 'tough, you aren't going' and leave it at that - that's just taking a post far too literally.

But there are ways of telling people stone dead that they are not leaving the club that remind those players of what they signed up to.

Remember, Suarez even thought he had a clause in his contract - he could have rightly been livid.

Instead, the club initially made it clear who held the cards. He has a choice - play for the kids team or knuckle down.

He knuckled down and within a few weeks he started to visually see what was happening at the club and bought into it.

We can't convince Adam Lallana to stay through meetings and talk anymore. The time for that is past and we missed the opportunity - that was what we should have done with Poch and the players in February.

But we can play hardball and then show him through actions that SFC is not a bad place to be.

FFS we could be competing with Liverpool next season because they are not nailed on top four by any means.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: St.Winch70, I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things. firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests. do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter. you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others? you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others? as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen. sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one. as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay. Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now. If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do.[/p][/quote]Yeah, I seriously do think that Suarez was told something along those lines. He would have been reminded of his responsibility to the club, that the club needed him and that the Arsenal bid was not high enough. Obviously you aren't going to say 'tough, you aren't going' and leave it at that - that's just taking a post far too literally. But there are ways of telling people stone dead that they are not leaving the club that remind those players of what they signed up to. Remember, Suarez even thought he had a clause in his contract - he could have rightly been livid. Instead, the club initially made it clear who held the cards. He has a choice - play for the kids team or knuckle down. He knuckled down and within a few weeks he started to visually see what was happening at the club and bought into it. We can't convince Adam Lallana to stay through meetings and talk anymore. The time for that is past and we missed the opportunity - that was what we should have done with Poch and the players in February. But we can play hardball and then show him through actions that SFC is not a bad place to be. FFS we could be competing with Liverpool next season because they are not nailed on top four by any means. SaintJD
  • Score: -1

5:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintJD says...

loosehead wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer.

If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage.

If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it.

I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too.

But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time.

As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts.

That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?
teletext says Gaston is off?
I'm not sure what I'm most surprised about - that teletext still exists or that Gaston is off.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]Obviously. This is a pretty silly question and there is nothing hypocritical in my answer. If a club is foolish enough to roll over and have it's belly tickled, yes, of course, take advantage. If we let Liverpool buy four of our players I don't begrudge them in the slightest - we will have practically encouraged it. I remember Spurs taking great advantage of West Ham and Leeds misfortune by buying the likes of Defoe and Robinson on the cheap - well done them. Well done Arsenal and Spurs for getting Bale, the Ox and Theo on the cheap too. But we are not the Saints of six years ago and we are not in financial trouble like Leeds or West Ham were at the time. As I've said 100 times now we've been told several times by Reed, KL and RK that we don't need to sell. Our players have long term contracts. That's it. That's all you need to know. If that is truly the case why would we even consider selling them?[/p][/quote]teletext says Gaston is off?[/p][/quote]I'm not sure what I'm most surprised about - that teletext still exists or that Gaston is off. SaintJD
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Bazultra says...

I am absolutely sick to my stomach over all of this. Lallana Shaw and Saints can feck off for me now. CORTESE was the one with the real ambition and he proved it all the way and then they let him go. No longer will I buy tickets or buy shirts and waste my hard earned cash. Football is not a sport or a business. Its a fecking crime!
I am absolutely sick to my stomach over all of this. Lallana Shaw and Saints can feck off for me now. CORTESE was the one with the real ambition and he proved it all the way and then they let him go. No longer will I buy tickets or buy shirts and waste my hard earned cash. Football is not a sport or a business. Its a fecking crime! Bazultra
  • Score: -3

6:19pm Tue 3 Jun 14

F Fan says...

Seedhouse - fascinating snippet re NC chair of Trust and the club at the same time. Now that's not an opportunity that comes round often - being your own boss with someone else's money. Or one that last's forever, more's the pity for Saints.
Seedhouse - fascinating snippet re NC chair of Trust and the club at the same time. Now that's not an opportunity that comes round often - being your own boss with someone else's money. Or one that last's forever, more's the pity for Saints. F Fan
  • Score: 0

6:29pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Baddesley Bill says...

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote:
Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.
NC was the first domino piece to fall. It's all about damage limitation now.

I remain positive that after this media fuelled storm, there will be some good news for them to report and sell again.

"Build em up, then knock em down". That's the media for you in one sentence.
[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately retaining MoPo was the key. All the players, including Rickie, Adam and Luke, spoke out saying he needed to be retained and the squad strengthened. When this didn't happen, for whatever reason, the dominoes were always going to fall.[/p][/quote]NC was the first domino piece to fall. It's all about damage limitation now. I remain positive that after this media fuelled storm, there will be some good news for them to report and sell again. "Build em up, then knock em down". That's the media for you in one sentence. Baddesley Bill
  • Score: 0

6:30pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Simmo13 says...

White and red till dead wrote:
isolated saint wrote:
The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled.
The ironic thing here is that if Lallana does move Gaston is in a good position to make an impact, which he hasn't so far. If he does go, he won't exactly be missed.
Anyone can have Gaston as far as I am concerned as a footballer he should be prosecuted under the trades descriptions act !
[quote][p][bold]White and red till dead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]isolated saint[/bold] wrote: The BBC are quoting an article in the Uruguay press in which Gaston is saying there is a lot of problems with the owner and board. He wants to leave after the WC. This maybe why so many players are usetlled.[/p][/quote]The ironic thing here is that if Lallana does move Gaston is in a good position to make an impact, which he hasn't so far. If he does go, he won't exactly be missed.[/p][/quote]Anyone can have Gaston as far as I am concerned as a footballer he should be prosecuted under the trades descriptions act ! Simmo13
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6:37pm Tue 3 Jun 14

milton road says...

The only thing I have seen from Shaw or Lallana is thta they will sort their future out after the World Cup. I have not seen one statement from either player saying they want to leave and now. In fact the BBC say that Lallana is quite content to sort his future after the World Cup.
Whaterver happens we will find a way to go on. The thing about this is we have quality Englsih players and now squad ratios of English players have gone up everyone is desperate for good ones.
My understanding of the situation is that no sales will be made until the new manager is installed and decides who he will let go. The guardian is one of the worst papers to have stirred this storm up and seems to have a anti Saints campaign.
The only thing I have seen from Shaw or Lallana is thta they will sort their future out after the World Cup. I have not seen one statement from either player saying they want to leave and now. In fact the BBC say that Lallana is quite content to sort his future after the World Cup. Whaterver happens we will find a way to go on. The thing about this is we have quality Englsih players and now squad ratios of English players have gone up everyone is desperate for good ones. My understanding of the situation is that no sales will be made until the new manager is installed and decides who he will let go. The guardian is one of the worst papers to have stirred this storm up and seems to have a anti Saints campaign. milton road
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6:38pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument. Benali76
  • Score: 1

7:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

andy newbury says...

if adam or luke want away after the world cup and they don,t want to put it in writing then let them go as long as the 10% signing on fee, goes to a local charity in the southampton area, if not as far as i am concerned they do not have any concideration for saints fc or what the club has done for them. rickie went about it in the right way and I wish him all the best as I am sure every saints fan does, do the right thing, don,t be greedy, show your appreciation to the club and the fans and go about it properly if you really want to go. disappointed with adam I was hoping he would turn out like matt letiss,but it has been great watching you ever since I first saw you play at west brom under nigel pearson, great night!!! Had my little rant ,if you do go adam I will be truly sorry. Saints will live on but it would be better with you. expected luke to go but not you adam.
if adam or luke want away after the world cup and they don,t want to put it in writing then let them go as long as the 10% signing on fee, goes to a local charity in the southampton area, if not as far as i am concerned they do not have any concideration for saints fc or what the club has done for them. rickie went about it in the right way and I wish him all the best as I am sure every saints fan does, do the right thing, don,t be greedy, show your appreciation to the club and the fans and go about it properly if you really want to go. disappointed with adam I was hoping he would turn out like matt letiss,but it has been great watching you ever since I first saw you play at west brom under nigel pearson, great night!!! Had my little rant ,if you do go adam I will be truly sorry. Saints will live on but it would be better with you. expected luke to go but not you adam. andy newbury
  • Score: 0

7:20pm Tue 3 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
el caballo santos101 wrote:
St.Winch70,
I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things.

firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests.
do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter.
you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others?
you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others?
as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen.
sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one.
as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.
I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay.
Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now.
If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do.
I don't think its too late to convince Luke and Lalla to stay at all. I don't even think Lalla has told the club he wants to leave, look at the source!
looks like we are going to get a new manager pretty soon, with koeman likely to be given the job. give him time to sit down and talk to the players and who knows what might happen.
sorry I just don't go for this `they`re already gone` talk. bids have been turned down and both have said they will wait until after the world cup to talk to the club. the transfer window is open for quite a while afterwards. I`m not stupid enough (debateable if you ask the other half) to believe that either or both might be sold, though from what I understand the club are more concerned that Lalla would go.
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: St.Winch70, I`m not trying to have a go at you or annoy you in anyway, I would however just like to clear up a couple of things. firstly you say that luke and Lalla are already gone, why do you think this? the club have turned down every bid so far and have stated, more than once, that players will only be sold on our terms and if its in our interests. do you think they are gone because they have `asked to go`? there is no proof of those request and the only source for the lalla rumour is from a well known NC favouring reporter. you say that the club have to let players go who don't want to be here, but only luke and Lalla. so what happens if dejan, spider, j-rod, cork, gaston etc all say they want to go? do you let them as well, why is that rule ok for Luke and Lalla but not the others? you say a new manager might stop those players from wanting to leave, what if he cant? what sort of atmosphere would you have at a club if you allow 2 players to go who want to but stop all the others? as seed said, that was the attitude of the dark lord, he stated before bridge left that no player would stay if they didn't want to be here, bridge instantly slapped in transfer request and was sold. I`m not saying you want to return to those days but that is what will happen. sorry but to say only certain players would be allowed to lave if they want is completely the wrong way to do things. you can either say any player who wants to go will be allowed to go, or we don't care what you want to do we are acting in the best interests of our club not you as players. they wont stop playing to their best as it isn't in their best interest. if they aren't playing as well they wont get picked for international duties, its not as if they are manure players and get picked no matter what their form is! not being picked for England will reduce interest form the `big` clubs and they will be back to square one. as I say I`m not trying to pick an argument with you but I can just see a huge flaw with your plan.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying that certain players should be allowed to leave and others not. I feel it is too late to stop Lallana, and Shaw has been on his way since the beginning of the season - I would love to be proved wrong, but I don't think I will be, there is simply no-one at the club who at this point in time has the relationship with the players to prevent these transfers. As a manager (in any profession) at any level you only want players in your team that want to be there, regardless of who they are. If we cannot offer up a suitable plan that excites the players that we have, they will leave. Do you really think for one moment that Suarez was told 'You're not going' and that was it! It will be the same for any player that expresses a desire to leave, we have to convince them to stay. Lowe wasn't able to do this because he didn't have a 'Plan' or a 'Vision' that would excite a player...the only thing we could offer Bridge (to use your example) would be another hard fought season surrounded by mediocrity trying to avoid relegation...I'd like to think we're in a slightly better position now. If we are unable to keep a player interested in playing for us, then cash in and re-invest in players that do.[/p][/quote]I don't think its too late to convince Luke and Lalla to stay at all. I don't even think Lalla has told the club he wants to leave, look at the source! looks like we are going to get a new manager pretty soon, with koeman likely to be given the job. give him time to sit down and talk to the players and who knows what might happen. sorry I just don't go for this `they`re already gone` talk. bids have been turned down and both have said they will wait until after the world cup to talk to the club. the transfer window is open for quite a while afterwards. I`m not stupid enough (debateable if you ask the other half) to believe that either or both might be sold, though from what I understand the club are more concerned that Lalla would go. el caballo santos101
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mick anderson says...

If they want to leave thats fine and i wish them luck, but if they have a good world cup, then we can get more of our investment in them back, simples.
If they want to leave thats fine and i wish them luck, but if they have a good world cup, then we can get more of our investment in them back, simples. mick anderson
  • Score: 0

7:44pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mickey01 says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
ItchenBridger wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
I don't know Much at all.
sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing
To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease.
it maybe a touch too much
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?[/p][/quote]I don't know Much at all.[/p][/quote]sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing[/p][/quote]To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease.[/p][/quote]it maybe a touch too much mickey01
  • Score: 0

7:45pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

mickey01 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
Positively4thStreet wrote:
ItchenBridger wrote:
mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?
I don't know Much at all.
sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing
To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease.
it maybe a touch too much
Too much by how much?
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ItchenBridger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Is that the brother of Muchu who plays for Swansea?[/p][/quote]I don't know Much at all.[/p][/quote]sorry meant mutch but i suppose it will be much ado about nothing[/p][/quote]To much of nothing,makes a man feel ill at ease.[/p][/quote]it maybe a touch too much[/p][/quote]Too much by how much? jls217
  • Score: 0

7:53pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Confucious wrote:
Mrs Wilson says she's staying.

Mrs Wilson baby....Mrs Wilson whooooa-hooa-ho!
Who is the Daddy?
[quote][p][bold]Confucious[/bold] wrote: Mrs Wilson says she's staying. Mrs Wilson baby....Mrs Wilson whooooa-hooa-ho![/p][/quote]Who is the Daddy? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: -1

8:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

BackOfTheNet wrote:
So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it?

What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time.

And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :)

Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx
What makes you think we will get any luck? We had none at all last Season and managed OK without it. Who is your manager by the way, have we heard of him?
[quote][p][bold]BackOfTheNet[/bold] wrote: So, a player clearly wants to leave but you deserve every penny of it? What a bunch of hypocrites. If you hadn't taken Lallama (while refusing to pay) in the first place you'd get to keep it all this time. And no, you can't have our manager (again) You'd be much better off with someone foreign that will leave as soon as a big club looks his way :) Good luck next season, I think you're going to need it xx[/p][/quote]What makes you think we will get any luck? We had none at all last Season and managed OK without it. Who is your manager by the way, have we heard of him? OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:09pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

I am a bit unsure about this attitude, they should be forced to stay? That seems to impinge on their human rights, this is football club not Guantanamo Bay. We should do everything in our power to persuade them to stay using every weapon in our armoury, short of incarceration. At least give the new Gaffer a free reign to start with, he may not actually want them.
I am a bit unsure about this attitude, they should be forced to stay? That seems to impinge on their human rights, this is football club not Guantanamo Bay. We should do everything in our power to persuade them to stay using every weapon in our armoury, short of incarceration. At least give the new Gaffer a free reign to start with, he may not actually want them. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 0

8:12pm Tue 3 Jun 14

george chivers says...

Rising_Son wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
george chivers wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
justaSaintsfan wrote:
We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone.

We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC.

If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC.

If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation."

So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!!

Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!!
Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen.

If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him.

Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason.

These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith.
In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.
And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?
No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell.

Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on.

If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too.

I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks.

When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done.

All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason:

We don't need to sell
We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't)
We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts

So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter.

We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season.

Now this is assuming the board don't want the money.

My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality.

We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.
But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.
I'm sure that like nearly everyone else, JD will have his hypocritical moments. How about you? How would you feel about it?
I would feel ok with it. But there again I am not upset with any of our players going. If players want to go as long as we can get the maximum fee possible for them, let them go. To me it doesn't matter about contracts, if they don't want to play for the club let them go. There is no point in keeping players who don't want to be here because we cannot satisfy their ambitions. i.e money or CL football.

I don't believe we have any chance whatsoever of breaking into the top four of the PL because we simply aren't big enough in terms of fans and there is no evidence to support a case for a provincial club like Saints ever doing that on a regular basis.

Even if KL put her hand in her pocket to fund an assault on the top we would eventually fall foul of the PL's financial rules because our turnover would not be proportion to our expenditure. Its an exclusive club at the top of the PL which is for big city clubs only. What really annoys me is the FA Cup doesn't have a CL place attached to it. If it did it would give provincial clubs like ours the opportunity to get into the CL. But the PL league has devalued the FA Cup by grabbing all the CL places for its top four teams. Usually any four from six. I don't think the Europa Cup is worth worrying about.

Its frustrating to lose top players but I'm in favour of them going if they don't want to be here. They will never perform to their best consistently if their heart is somewhere else. Best to employ another player who does want to be here. So get the maximum money and let them go.
[quote][p][bold]Rising_Son[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]george chivers[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]justaSaintsfan[/bold] wrote: We have passed the point where "new kids on the block" Southampton FC are in serious danger of being what other clubs consider as being kept in their usual, lowly place. Saints players are being tapped up through those other clubs' friends/supporters in the media. That is nothing new in football, of course, but the current situation is very different. A concerted effort is taking place to virtually steal our best players by underhand means. Mauricio Pochettino was taken by a "bigger" club and now our best players are wanted, always at much lower prices than their values in the transfer market. Now is the time for Southampton FC to make a very strong point to our players, to other clubs and to their media friends. SOUTHAMPTON FC IS NOT A SELLING CLUB!!! Saints have players on long contracts, so the club should keep all those players they want to keep. The club needs to get real and get tough, or the "feeding frenzy" of other clubs coveting our best players will become out of Southampton FC's control and will directly lead to much of the great progress of the last five wonderful years being undone. We Saints fans have seen plenty of past dark years and so many of us have always supported the club throughout those dark years, regardless of Saints' league positions. We have spent what amounts to a fortune to us of our very hard earned money, some of us going without necessities to ensure that we can support our team. Now is the time for the club to show us its respect by very firmly resisting all the overtures from other clubs and their cronies to buy ALL our best players. We know that Southampton FC is well aware of our words in this Daily Echo forum. Katharina and her board of directors will, no doubt, be informed of the mood of the club's fans. I therefore believe that now is the time for the fans to send the club the strongest possible message that we do not want Adam, Luke or any of our best players to be sold. We want them to achieve success with Southampton FC. If disciplinarian Ronald Koeman becomes our new manager, he will possibly be a bit like Sir Alex Ferguson and will manage our players with only the benefit of Southampton FC in mind. I cannot imagine Sir Alex ever sanctioning other clubs buying all his star players! Many years ago, when Liverpool were a fast growing club, Bill Shankly was a tough manager, who kept his best players and went on to great success in all competitions. Right now Saints need a strong, single minded manager and a strong, single minded board of directors. We fans are already strong and single minded in our support of Southampton FC and we now expect the Saints board of directors to come off the back foot, toughen up and show our players that they mean business! Liverpool refused Luis Suarez when he wanted to leave Liverpool FC a year ago and he stayed at the club, worked hard and had a great 2013/2014 season. Saints should do similar with Adam and Luke. The club needs to draw a line right now. Enough is enough. Brendan Rodgers got tough with Luis Suarez last year, for the benefit of Liverpool FC. We Saints fans care only about the benefit of Southampton FC and its board of directors should care only about the benefit of Southampton FC. If times come when Saints AND ONLY SAINTS DECIDE that players are to be sold, never again must any Saints players be sold without a sell on clause guaranteeing Saints the maximum possible percentage of the future transfer fees of those players. This is a tough measure, on which Saints should always insist. We must never again have a "Gareth Bale situation." So that is the message to Southampton FC. When the going gets tough, the tough stand their ground!!! Onward and upward, the Southampton Way!!![/p][/quote]Correct. Fans who think we are somehow helpless here and have to accept our fate are cowards in my opinion, and that will go for the board too if they let this happen. If you own a dream house and have no financial need to sell that house and some swanky bloke down the road comes and tells you he wants to buy your house for considerably less than it's worth you laugh your head off and slam the door on him. Someone is forgetting we hold the cards here. You sign up players on long term contracts for EXACTLY this reason. These players are powerless to demand a move. It's not one season to run down, it's three years. They have no power. We have the power to effectively finish their careers - legally and quite properly, in good faith. In actual fact it would be the ethical thing to do to make them honour their deals.[/p][/quote]And what do you think when we take players from other clubs where their fans feel the same as you. Is that acceptable because it is Saints doing the buying?[/p][/quote]No. I repeat, we don't need to sell and, if we don't want to sell let's not sell. Of course clubs buy from other clubs and sometimes clubs don't like it, but clearly it is a case by case thing and depends on whether you need to sell, the player's age and the length of contract they are on. If we get Koeman and Feynoord want and need to sell us a few players, fine, if it suits them, that's fine. If they have someone on a four year contract and don't want to sell, that's fine too. I'd like Christian Benteke from Villa or Wilfred Bony from Swansea - will they even consider selling them. No chance. Not for anything but the right money regardless of what the player thinks. When we were in the Championship and League 1 we needed to sell Bale, the Ox, Walcott etc. Fair enough. It suited everyone. We even waived our right to a sell on fee for Bale. We needed the money right then or we might have gone out of business, fine. I don't have a problem with that. Wish those players well, well done. All I'm saying, and am having to say time and again for some reason: We don't need to sell We don't want to sell unless the price is right (which it isn't) We can't be forced to sell - these two players have long-term contracts So, whether they put in transfer requests or not and whether Liverpool moan or not doesn't matter. We hold the cards. Just as Liverpool did with Suarez last season. Now this is assuming the board don't want the money. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that £30 million for Luke Shaw is acceptable, £25 million for Adam Lallana is derisory and not enough to buy a player of similar quality. We cannot allow ourselves to get bullied.[/p][/quote]But you avoided the question. Let me restate it. If we buy a player from a club where that club does not need to sell, but the player wants to come to us, against the wishes of his club and the supporters of the club. If that transfer goes through and we buy the player what is your opinion then? Are you happy to welcome that player even though the selling club and the fans of the selling club are unhappy he is going.[/p][/quote]I'm sure that like nearly everyone else, JD will have his hypocritical moments. How about you? How would you feel about it?[/p][/quote]I would feel ok with it. But there again I am not upset with any of our players going. If players want to go as long as we can get the maximum fee possible for them, let them go. To me it doesn't matter about contracts, if they don't want to play for the club let them go. There is no point in keeping players who don't want to be here because we cannot satisfy their ambitions. i.e money or CL football. I don't believe we have any chance whatsoever of breaking into the top four of the PL because we simply aren't big enough in terms of fans and there is no evidence to support a case for a provincial club like Saints ever doing that on a regular basis. Even if KL put her hand in her pocket to fund an assault on the top we would eventually fall foul of the PL's financial rules because our turnover would not be proportion to our expenditure. Its an exclusive club at the top of the PL which is for big city clubs only. What really annoys me is the FA Cup doesn't have a CL place attached to it. If it did it would give provincial clubs like ours the opportunity to get into the CL. But the PL league has devalued the FA Cup by grabbing all the CL places for its top four teams. Usually any four from six. I don't think the Europa Cup is worth worrying about. Its frustrating to lose top players but I'm in favour of them going if they don't want to be here. They will never perform to their best consistently if their heart is somewhere else. Best to employ another player who does want to be here. So get the maximum money and let them go. george chivers
  • Score: 0

8:14pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

If we are going to get Koeman we need to do it quickly.

The Feyenoord players are being circled by the buzzards almost the same way ours are.

Manure are linked with two of them RB and a CB.Van Gallstones might fancy the idea of taking them with him especially as they are both with the NL squad (reportedly) They do have a very handy midfielder a LB, RB and CB who apparently have all said they would move this summer.
Have we had any confirmation of Ramirez leaving?
If we are going to get Koeman we need to do it quickly. The Feyenoord players are being circled by the buzzards almost the same way ours are. Manure are linked with two of them RB and a CB.Van Gallstones might fancy the idea of taking them with him especially as they are both with the NL squad (reportedly) They do have a very handy midfielder a LB, RB and CB who apparently have all said they would move this summer. Have we had any confirmation of Ramirez leaving? jls217
  • Score: 0

8:27pm Tue 3 Jun 14

InCortesewetrust says...

http://hereisthecity
.com/en-gb/2014/06/0
3/photo-adam-lallana
-signs-liverpool-shi
rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt!
http://hereisthecity .com/en-gb/2014/06/0 3/photo-adam-lallana -signs-liverpool-shi rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt! InCortesewetrust
  • Score: 0

8:35pm Tue 3 Jun 14

StElsass says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
http://hereisthecity

.com/en-gb/2014/06/0

3/photo-adam-lallana

-signs-liverpool-shi

rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt!
Saw that!
Unprofessional and unacceptable!
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: http://hereisthecity .com/en-gb/2014/06/0 3/photo-adam-lallana -signs-liverpool-shi rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt![/p][/quote]Saw that! Unprofessional and unacceptable! StElsass
  • Score: 2

8:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Joy in Jerusalem wrote:
Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us?

'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years'
We'll as JWP said Shaw's the 'dopey one'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Joy in Jerusalem[/bold] wrote: Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us? 'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years'[/p][/quote]We'll as JWP said Shaw's the 'dopey one'!!!!!!!!!!!!!! saintlysoul
  • Score: 0

8:42pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

Joy in Jerusalem wrote:
Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us?

'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years'
We'll as JWP said Shaw's the 'dopey one'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Joy in Jerusalem[/bold] wrote: Do you think Luke has a bad memory and can't remember what he said less than a year ago when he signed his contract with us? 'I've been here since I was eight and I've loved every single moment of it. I want to stay at this Club, and signing this contract means I'm here for another five years'[/p][/quote]We'll as JWP said Shaw's the 'dopey one'!!!!!!!!!!!!!! saintlysoul
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Tue 3 Jun 14

M.U.CS1 says...

So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ? M.U.CS1
  • Score: -7

8:59pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

InCortesewetrust wrote:
http://hereisthecity

.com/en-gb/2014/06/0

3/photo-adam-lallana

-signs-liverpool-shi

rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt!
A worrying development you might say. If this is true and of course there are those who would falsify something like this. He ain't on the train till he's on the train.

On top of what we are hearing from Ramirez this is getting to be a large concern.
[quote][p][bold]InCortesewetrust[/bold] wrote: http://hereisthecity .com/en-gb/2014/06/0 3/photo-adam-lallana -signs-liverpool-shi rt/Disrespectful little Cnunt![/p][/quote]A worrying development you might say. If this is true and of course there are those who would falsify something like this. He ain't on the train till he's on the train. On top of what we are hearing from Ramirez this is getting to be a large concern. jls217
  • Score: 0

9:00pm Tue 3 Jun 14

saintlysoul says...

andoru wrote:
I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.
Shaw has plenty of respect for the club, his parents only have respectful for his money and therein lies the problem. He'll end up another Gazza..
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.[/p][/quote]Shaw has plenty of respect for the club, his parents only have respectful for his money and therein lies the problem. He'll end up another Gazza.. saintlysoul
  • Score: -1

9:03pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Clever Dick says...

Benali76 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument.
And if Liverpool had refused to sell and then Suarez suffered a career ending injury making him worthless would they still have made the correct decision? It's very easy to be wise on hindsight. Or to put it in a Saints context, if Adam were to suffer a career ending injury in the world cup should we have sold him beforehand? Of course we don't know do we.Just pointing out that there is an alternative argument.
[quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument.[/p][/quote]And if Liverpool had refused to sell and then Suarez suffered a career ending injury making him worthless would they still have made the correct decision? It's very easy to be wise on hindsight. Or to put it in a Saints context, if Adam were to suffer a career ending injury in the world cup should we have sold him beforehand? Of course we don't know do we.Just pointing out that there is an alternative argument. Clever Dick
  • Score: -1

9:10pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0)
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?[/p][/quote]So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0) Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 8

9:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

jls217 says...

If we are going to get Koeman we need to do it quickly.

The Feyenoord players are being circled by the buzzards almost the same way ours are.

Manure are linked with two of them RB and a CB.Van Gallstones might fancy the idea of taking them with him especially as they are both with the NL squad (reportedly) They do have a very handy midfielder a LB, RB and CB who apparently have all said they would move this summer.
Have we had any confirmation of Ramirez leaving?
If we are going to get Koeman we need to do it quickly. The Feyenoord players are being circled by the buzzards almost the same way ours are. Manure are linked with two of them RB and a CB.Van Gallstones might fancy the idea of taking them with him especially as they are both with the NL squad (reportedly) They do have a very handy midfielder a LB, RB and CB who apparently have all said they would move this summer. Have we had any confirmation of Ramirez leaving? jls217
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Benali76 says...

Clever Dick wrote:
Benali76 wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it.

So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills.

Any more name calling for me?
So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact.
Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints.
All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.
Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please:

Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?
No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality.
Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)
So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument.
And if Liverpool had refused to sell and then Suarez suffered a career ending injury making him worthless would they still have made the correct decision? It's very easy to be wise on hindsight. Or to put it in a Saints context, if Adam were to suffer a career ending injury in the world cup should we have sold him beforehand? Of course we don't know do we.Just pointing out that there is an alternative argument.
Oh well that's just daft, with that logic we should just accept 10mil for Shaw, Lallana and Morgan just in case they get injured - can't be too careful huh. It's not hindsight, it is obvious logic, working with probability. How many players suffer career ending injuries? Shearer broke his leg badly after we sold him and then 100+ goals and a title later went for 5 times what we sold him for. Terrible business, and not just with hindsight, I said at the time if I had 3mil I would of bought him such was the obvious return on investment. Same with Bale, same with Shaw. Keep Shaw for 2 more years, get the benefit of his quality and flog him for £50mil. Selling contracted players of clear quality can never be a good thing unless the money is stupid - in this case £50m each.
[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Benali76[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Keep on waving the white flag St.Winch70. Let's let everyone leave, great idea. If you want to get shafted, show how weak you are. Like it. So, according to you Luke and Adam can and will leave and we have no say in it. And I thought the club were lacking leadership skills. Any more name calling for me?[/p][/quote]So you think telling them to 'get stuffed' is the way to go? I am not saying wave the white flag, I am saying it is up to the club to realise the most they can from their investment into both of these players. I am not advocating being weak at all, quite the contrary, I hope the board will be strong in their negotiations and get top dollar for them. I personally feel that once a player has had his head turned and wants to leave, you should move them on. If we get the right money for them, they can be replaced - that is a fact. Whilst we're at it, why would you want to prevent an individual who has served the club well, never let them down embark on a new chapter in their very short career? I would wish them all well, just not in any match against Saints. All the bleating on and sniping comments towards players that want to leave will change nothing, I would prefer to concentrate on the swift recruitment of a quality manager, who can both keep and attract quality players.[/p][/quote]Simple question for you St.Winch. Yes or no answer please: Were Liverpool wrong to force Luis Suarez to stay?[/p][/quote]No - not at the time, because the offer by Arsenal was a derisory one for a player of his quality. Hold me to this though, Suarez will not be in a Liverpool shirt this time next year though...his leaving is inevitable. (As is Lallana's and Shaw's)[/p][/quote]So let's say Saurez does go this summer - it will be for say £70million. That proves that by holding firm last season Liverpool are better off by £30m and probably the same again through EPL placing reward and CL qualification. So that rather destroys your claim that we have to sell to be sustainable. How wise financially was selling Shearer and Bale when they went on to command record fees after bringing fans of other clubs pleasure for a few seasons. Oh yes, the pleasure the fans get watching these top players, that is afterall the whole point of this football isn't it. Selling them now is bad for Saints no argument.[/p][/quote]And if Liverpool had refused to sell and then Suarez suffered a career ending injury making him worthless would they still have made the correct decision? It's very easy to be wise on hindsight. Or to put it in a Saints context, if Adam were to suffer a career ending injury in the world cup should we have sold him beforehand? Of course we don't know do we.Just pointing out that there is an alternative argument.[/p][/quote]Oh well that's just daft, with that logic we should just accept 10mil for Shaw, Lallana and Morgan just in case they get injured - can't be too careful huh. It's not hindsight, it is obvious logic, working with probability. How many players suffer career ending injuries? Shearer broke his leg badly after we sold him and then 100+ goals and a title later went for 5 times what we sold him for. Terrible business, and not just with hindsight, I said at the time if I had 3mil I would of bought him such was the obvious return on investment. Same with Bale, same with Shaw. Keep Shaw for 2 more years, get the benefit of his quality and flog him for £50mil. Selling contracted players of clear quality can never be a good thing unless the money is stupid - in this case £50m each. Benali76
  • Score: 0

9:41pm Tue 3 Jun 14

thinklikealocal says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0)
Love it :) Remember the day very well :)
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?[/p][/quote]So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0)[/p][/quote]Love it :) Remember the day very well :) thinklikealocal
  • Score: 2

9:50pm Tue 3 Jun 14

M.U.CS1 says...

Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real !
Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real ! M.U.CS1
  • Score: -7

9:57pm Tue 3 Jun 14

mack chinnon says...

mickey01 wrote:
sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business
Most sensible thing I have heard all week.
[quote][p][bold]mickey01[/bold] wrote: sell AL and sign much from cardiff nice bit of business[/p][/quote]Most sensible thing I have heard all week. mack chinnon
  • Score: 0

9:58pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real !
Well,we won't be spending it on Fellaini,that's for sure.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real ![/p][/quote]Well,we won't be spending it on Fellaini,that's for sure. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 3

10:07pm Tue 3 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real !
Signed any quality players yet? NO didn't think so, I wonder if it is something to do with not being in the champions league.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real ![/p][/quote]Signed any quality players yet? NO didn't think so, I wonder if it is something to do with not being in the champions league. THE12THMAN
  • Score: 6

10:33pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real !
We will put this remark on hold and reply later.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: Probably the funniest thing is watching you lot spend all the money you are going to get, on new top players. One, your owner is probably going to keep any profit, and two, what top players would even think about joining Southampton, get real ![/p][/quote]We will put this remark on hold and reply later. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:34pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
Hypothetical question, will tell you later.
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?[/p][/quote]Hypothetical question, will tell you later. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

10:37pm Tue 3 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Positively4thStreet wrote:
M.U.CS1 wrote:
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0)
It was very distressing to see grown ups balling their eyes out in 1976, no one expected that result. Big team got too big for their boots and blew it.
[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?[/p][/quote]So funny to watch,small club,beating big club in an FA Cup Final. :0)[/p][/quote]It was very distressing to see grown ups balling their eyes out in 1976, no one expected that result. Big team got too big for their boots and blew it. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 2

10:54pm Tue 3 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

BREAKING NEWS!
After hearing that Jack Bauer was going to appear in Southampton tonight Brenda Rogers has instantly slapped in a £8mill bid for the defender!
He has also placed a £5mill bid for Kiefer Sutherland after hearing he was also appearing here!
Brenda is apparently keen to wrap up a deal for the versatile pair before the start of the next season and has told saints this is a take it or leave it offer.
BREAKING NEWS! After hearing that Jack Bauer was going to appear in Southampton tonight Brenda Rogers has instantly slapped in a £8mill bid for the defender! He has also placed a £5mill bid for Kiefer Sutherland after hearing he was also appearing here! Brenda is apparently keen to wrap up a deal for the versatile pair before the start of the next season and has told saints this is a take it or leave it offer. el caballo santos101
  • Score: -1

10:56pm Tue 3 Jun 14

SaintSteve76 says...

Personally I still think that at the moment we have a fantastic team for next season and with Keoman or Moyes and a couple of additions, we could finish in the top six. We needed a replacement for Lambert anyway and he probably only has 1 or 2 seasons left in him. The board should stand firm with regards to Shaw and Lallana and only sell if £35 mill plus is offered for either player. With these two however, I feel that they are irreplaceable in terms of potential and quality. Sell these two and we will go from a team who could finish in the top six, to a mid-table team. Remember Baines asked to leave Everton and they didn't let him, Everton finished 5th, Suarez asked to leave Liverpool and the wouldn't let him, Liverpool then finished 2nd. Both these players continued to play fantastic for their respective teams despite having transfer requests turned down. Lallana and Shaw are contracted to Southampton and it is up to the board whether they want to sell or not. Krueger needs to sell them the ambition and vision of the football club just like Cortese did.
Personally I still think that at the moment we have a fantastic team for next season and with Keoman or Moyes and a couple of additions, we could finish in the top six. We needed a replacement for Lambert anyway and he probably only has 1 or 2 seasons left in him. The board should stand firm with regards to Shaw and Lallana and only sell if £35 mill plus is offered for either player. With these two however, I feel that they are irreplaceable in terms of potential and quality. Sell these two and we will go from a team who could finish in the top six, to a mid-table team. Remember Baines asked to leave Everton and they didn't let him, Everton finished 5th, Suarez asked to leave Liverpool and the wouldn't let him, Liverpool then finished 2nd. Both these players continued to play fantastic for their respective teams despite having transfer requests turned down. Lallana and Shaw are contracted to Southampton and it is up to the board whether they want to sell or not. Krueger needs to sell them the ambition and vision of the football club just like Cortese did. SaintSteve76
  • Score: 5

11:04pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Positively4thStreet says...

el caballo santos101 wrote:
BREAKING NEWS!
After hearing that Jack Bauer was going to appear in Southampton tonight Brenda Rogers has instantly slapped in a £8mill bid for the defender!
He has also placed a £5mill bid for Kiefer Sutherland after hearing he was also appearing here!
Brenda is apparently keen to wrap up a deal for the versatile pair before the start of the next season and has told saints this is a take it or leave it offer.
We only have 24 hours to decide.
[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote: BREAKING NEWS! After hearing that Jack Bauer was going to appear in Southampton tonight Brenda Rogers has instantly slapped in a £8mill bid for the defender! He has also placed a £5mill bid for Kiefer Sutherland after hearing he was also appearing here! Brenda is apparently keen to wrap up a deal for the versatile pair before the start of the next season and has told saints this is a take it or leave it offer.[/p][/quote]We only have 24 hours to decide. Positively4thStreet
  • Score: 1

12:02am Wed 4 Jun 14

search for the truth says...

From the Liverpool Echo ..................

Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey
• Jun 03, 2014 20:47
• By Micheal McKenna

Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds

Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami


FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO

This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan.
The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside.
Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball.
Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes...
From the Liverpool Echo .................. Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey • Jun 03, 2014 20:47 • By Micheal McKenna Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan. The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside. Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball. Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes... search for the truth
  • Score: 0

1:27am Wed 4 Jun 14

el caballo santos101 says...

search for the truth wrote:
From the Liverpool Echo ..................

Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey
• Jun 03, 2014 20:47
• By Micheal McKenna

Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds

Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami


FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO

This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan.
The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside.
Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball.
Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes...
looks like the scousers are getting more and more desperate to sign our player. wouldn't surprise me if they flew out a `fan` with a contract folded up so lalla couldn't see it and asked him to sign it!
they are willing to fly medical staff to Miami or brazil? I thought it was a take it or leave it offer that expired when the world cup started so why are they willing to fly the to brazil? woy the agent has said they can have medicals in Miami but not brazil. are diverpool changing the terms of their ultimatum already?
I`m sure that lalla told a fan at a signing that he `hopes` to sign for diverpool! he hasn't even told his own club yet! if he did say that he would be in trouble with saints and could see his captaincy taken away or given a fine!

diverpool have tabled a take it or leave it offer? fine we will leave it thanks.
if you want him you have to pay what we want not what you want! if you don't like our valuation then move on and forget him! that's not `hard ball` its sticking to our valuation not yours, and we wont be fooled by `add ons` that will never be paid, like `winning the league` or `winning the champs league`, never going to happen especially when suarez turns up in a Madrid shirt! (we know that's why you really brought Rickie!)
Brenda seems so keen on our squad im surprised she didn't come down and apply for our managers job, it would be an easier way of managing our players, and we don't have players who choke and slip up on their ar$e$!
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: From the Liverpool Echo .................. Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey • Jun 03, 2014 20:47 • By Micheal McKenna Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan. The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside. Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball. Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes...[/p][/quote]looks like the scousers are getting more and more desperate to sign our player. wouldn't surprise me if they flew out a `fan` with a contract folded up so lalla couldn't see it and asked him to sign it! they are willing to fly medical staff to Miami or brazil? I thought it was a take it or leave it offer that expired when the world cup started so why are they willing to fly the to brazil? woy the agent has said they can have medicals in Miami but not brazil. are diverpool changing the terms of their ultimatum already? I`m sure that lalla told a fan at a signing that he `hopes` to sign for diverpool! he hasn't even told his own club yet! if he did say that he would be in trouble with saints and could see his captaincy taken away or given a fine! diverpool have tabled a take it or leave it offer? fine we will leave it thanks. if you want him you have to pay what we want not what you want! if you don't like our valuation then move on and forget him! that's not `hard ball` its sticking to our valuation not yours, and we wont be fooled by `add ons` that will never be paid, like `winning the league` or `winning the champs league`, never going to happen especially when suarez turns up in a Madrid shirt! (we know that's why you really brought Rickie!) Brenda seems so keen on our squad im surprised she didn't come down and apply for our managers job, it would be an easier way of managing our players, and we don't have players who choke and slip up on their ar$e$! el caballo santos101
  • Score: -1

1:58am Wed 4 Jun 14

05che13 says...

Lambert left because the team he loves wanted him, fair enough. If Lallana and Shaw go it is because they think they are too good for us, which is rubbish. Southampton made them, invested in them, trained them and it will be Southampton's decision when they leave. I get the impression Shaw has never been the brightest (ask JWP) but i expected more from Lallana. Could off be speculation though, lets just wait and see. Exciting isn't it??
Lambert left because the team he loves wanted him, fair enough. If Lallana and Shaw go it is because they think they are too good for us, which is rubbish. Southampton made them, invested in them, trained them and it will be Southampton's decision when they leave. I get the impression Shaw has never been the brightest (ask JWP) but i expected more from Lallana. Could off be speculation though, lets just wait and see. Exciting isn't it?? 05che13
  • Score: 2

2:54am Wed 4 Jun 14

Jan28th1984 says...

M.U.CS1 wrote:
So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?
Oo! Quizzes! Quizzes! I love quizzes!

Here's one for you.........

What skunt pretending to be a Man U fan f*cked his mother after I told him to?
[quote][p][bold]M.U.CS1[/bold] wrote: So funny to watch, small club thinking they were finally in the big time, but alas your top players want to move on, and who could blame them. Trivia quiz question, which team had three players in the England World Cup squad and ended the tournament with none ?[/p][/quote]Oo! Quizzes! Quizzes! I love quizzes! Here's one for you......... What skunt pretending to be a Man U fan f*cked his mother after I told him to? Jan28th1984
  • Score: 1

7:04am Wed 4 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

search for the truth wrote:
From the Liverpool Echo ..................

Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey
• Jun 03, 2014 20:47
• By Micheal McKenna

Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds

Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami


FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO

This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan.
The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside.
Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball.
Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary.
And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes...
Sorry but has anybody seen a Liverpool badge on the shirt? NO didn't think so, PAY UP OR SHUT UP!
[quote][p][bold]search for the truth[/bold] wrote: From the Liverpool Echo .................. Young fan gets Lallana to sign Liverpool jersey • Jun 03, 2014 20:47 • By Micheal McKenna Southampton star apparently told the starry-eyed fan that he "hopes" to sign for Reds Adam Lallana signs a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan in Miami FOR PICTURE SEE LIVERPOOL ECHO This is the picture that will bring huge smiles to many Reds fans - Adam Lallana signing a Liverpool FC jersey for a young fan. The picture was taken as England continue preparations for the World Cup with a training camp in Miami, and if Guillermo Quintero's tweet is anything to go by, it look looks like Lallana wants that switch to Merseyside. Liverpool have tabled a 'take it or leave it' £25million bid for the midfielder, however, Southampton are playing hard ball. Nonetheless the Reds are still hopeful that a deal can be thrashed out before the World Cup gets underway. They would be willing to fly staff to Miami or Brazil in order to complete a medical with Lallana, if necessary. And the youngster also met a few more of his heroes...[/p][/quote]Sorry but has anybody seen a Liverpool badge on the shirt? NO didn't think so, PAY UP OR SHUT UP! THE12THMAN
  • Score: 4

7:11am Wed 4 Jun 14

John Smith34 says...

andoru wrote:
I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.
Best post I've seen on here for a while. Absolutely spot on.
[quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.[/p][/quote]Best post I've seen on here for a while. Absolutely spot on. John Smith34
  • Score: 2

9:27am Wed 4 Jun 14

jls217 says...

John Smith34 wrote:
andoru wrote:
I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.
Best post I've seen on here for a while. Absolutely spot on.
Succinctly put John - difficult to argue against any of that. Shame the so called "Pros" do not seem to have the same ethical and moral standards as us fans who just seem to be trampled upon and treated with contempt by these young men who are taking advantage of our loyalties. What if........ they had a football league and nobody turned up? Perhaps theses pampered, out of touch stars might realize just who pays their wages and would then treat us with a little of the respect our hard earned money deserves. For the first time in my life I am falling out of love with football and all it has become.
[quote][p][bold]John Smith34[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andoru[/bold] wrote: I couldn't care less about getting money in the bank. I want to see the fruits of Southampton's Academy playing for Southampton, you know, just for a change. Shaw should show respect and give the club who invested so much time and money in him a return on that investment on the pitch. At least Adam has put in years of service for us, although I'm no happier to see him ask to leave either. As for wanting their future's sorted, I believe they sorted their futures when they signed long-term contracts with Southampton.[/p][/quote]Best post I've seen on here for a while. Absolutely spot on.[/p][/quote]Succinctly put John - difficult to argue against any of that. Shame the so called "Pros" do not seem to have the same ethical and moral standards as us fans who just seem to be trampled upon and treated with contempt by these young men who are taking advantage of our loyalties. What if........ they had a football league and nobody turned up? Perhaps theses pampered, out of touch stars might realize just who pays their wages and would then treat us with a little of the respect our hard earned money deserves. For the first time in my life I am falling out of love with football and all it has become. jls217
  • Score: 2

11:44am Wed 4 Jun 14

pompeyfanpaul says...

Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains
Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains pompeyfanpaul
  • Score: -3

11:49am Wed 4 Jun 14

OSPREYSAINT says...

Rajidae alert, ignor.
Rajidae alert, ignor. OSPREYSAINT
  • Score: 1

3:01pm Wed 4 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Little Hitler wrote:
Jesus_02 wrote:
Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.
I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year.

Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms.
Won't happen saints fans player power will always win like it has for many years, just wait it will be a transfer request next.
Your new manager who ever it be will not have a unhappy player in your squad
[quote][p][bold]Little Hitler[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jesus_02[/bold] wrote: Just read the BBC, they dont make things up. Lallana and Shaw can go to hell with the rest of the England Team as far as im concerned. Saints should invest in the youth of another country, they may be more loyal. They fact they are leaving is one thing to "ensure that their futures are resolved before the world cup" is another.[/p][/quote]I think that's a bit OTT as far as Lallana is concerned. However, I don't recall either being discontent at Saints when they signed LONG TERM contracts last year. Sorry boys, you'll leave on OUR terms.[/p][/quote]Won't happen saints fans player power will always win like it has for many years, just wait it will be a transfer request next. Your new manager who ever it be will not have a unhappy player in your squad LFCalways
  • Score: 0

3:07pm Wed 4 Jun 14

jls217 says...

pompeyfanpaul wrote:
Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains
Like every single one of your miserable yts squad who get paid occasionally you mean?
Pay up Pimpey Pimpey pay up.
[quote][p][bold]pompeyfanpaul[/bold] wrote: Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains[/p][/quote]Like every single one of your miserable yts squad who get paid occasionally you mean? Pay up Pimpey Pimpey pay up. jls217
  • Score: 3

3:07pm Wed 4 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

Saint Jinx wrote:
I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow.
It really does go to their heads - doesn't it?
With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen?
Champions League with saints? lolololol never laughed so hard! want planet are you lot on, you can't even keep your players......so looks like empty hopes and dreams again
[quote][p][bold]Saint Jinx[/bold] wrote: I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow. It really does go to their heads - doesn't it? With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen?[/p][/quote]Champions League with saints? lolololol never laughed so hard! want planet are you lot on, you can't even keep your players......so looks like empty hopes and dreams again LFCalways
  • Score: -4

3:14pm Wed 4 Jun 14

LFCalways says...

St.Winch70 wrote:
SaintJD wrote:
Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer.

I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid.

You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.
How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession!
Great opening line......what a dick.
Yep I agree saints fans are on cloud nine or more
[quote][p][bold]St.Winch70[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote: Get stuffed Adam and Luke. We all have dreams, but if you sign a long term deal that's your problem. It's the dream of 30,000+ Saints fans to keep you at this football club. It's our 'desire' for you not to leave this summer. I suggest you do have a chat with Liverpool and Man Utd, but maybe ask them to put in a sensible bid. You've ruined our summer, so I'm sure you will understand if we ruin yours.[/p][/quote]How can you possibly ruin his summer? He is going to get his move, in the meantime he is playing at the highest possible level for someone in his profession! Great opening line......what a dick.[/p][/quote]Yep I agree saints fans are on cloud nine or more LFCalways
  • Score: -3

3:27pm Wed 4 Jun 14

jls217 says...

LFCalways wrote:
Saint Jinx wrote:
I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow.
It really does go to their heads - doesn't it?
With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen?
Champions League with saints? lolololol never laughed so hard! want planet are you lot on, you can't even keep your players......so looks like empty hopes and dreams again
Yeah and you should bear in mind **** for brains that the time we came runners up to Skiverpool in the first division was the year Skiverpool fans got English team banned from Europe. How different our history might have been if Skiverpool headbangers had learned how to behave like normal human beings. Many posting on here won't be old enough to remember that season but I can. How much money might that campaign have made, what Kudos could we have gained, what players and staff may have been attracted to us? We'll never know will we? And all thanks to a bunch of feral Kuntz who can't hold their booze, their tempers or their mouths in check. Seems like Skiverpool and Lallana have more in common than just football skills eh!? As a rule I've always enjoyed watching Liverpool play their brand of football - beginning to wish for something else for them right now and you, you perfectly formed heamorrhoid are partially responsible.
[quote][p][bold]LFCalways[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Saint Jinx[/bold] wrote: I really would like to think that Lallana is too intelligent to be swayed by his small-minded England team mates. His wife is Saints through and through and hopefully will keep him on the straight and narrow. It really does go to their heads - doesn't it? With all due respect, you can understand why players from other countries in Africa, SA and Europe will want the "big" clubs in the Premier League because that is what they have been fed, but surely Lallana can see further than that. Would he not prefer to be in the Champions League with Saints or has he been convinced that it simply will not happen?[/p][/quote]Champions League with saints? lolololol never laughed so hard! want planet are you lot on, you can't even keep your players......so looks like empty hopes and dreams again[/p][/quote]Yeah and you should bear in mind **** for brains that the time we came runners up to Skiverpool in the first division was the year Skiverpool fans got English team banned from Europe. How different our history might have been if Skiverpool headbangers had learned how to behave like normal human beings. Many posting on here won't be old enough to remember that season but I can. How much money might that campaign have made, what Kudos could we have gained, what players and staff may have been attracted to us? We'll never know will we? And all thanks to a bunch of feral Kuntz who can't hold their booze, their tempers or their mouths in check. Seems like Skiverpool and Lallana have more in common than just football skills eh!? As a rule I've always enjoyed watching Liverpool play their brand of football - beginning to wish for something else for them right now and you, you perfectly formed heamorrhoid are partially responsible. jls217
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Wed 4 Jun 14

THE12THMAN says...

pompeyfanpaul wrote:
Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains
Poopey are set to sign former Crawley Town goalkeeper Paul Jones on a free transfer, WOW what a signing.
[quote][p][bold]pompeyfanpaul[/bold] wrote: Only complete losers with no ambition would want to stay with the Stains[/p][/quote]Poopey are set to sign former Crawley Town goalkeeper Paul Jones on a free transfer, WOW what a signing. THE12THMAN
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