Fears drivers will switch to British-made vans over plans to close Southampton's Transit plant

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Ford could face a white van man backlash when it switches Transit production to Turkey.

Tradesmen, politicians and union leaders say the US giant could see thousands of drivers boycotting what has long been billed as the “backbone of Britain”.

Between 2009 and 2011 sales of the best selling Transit in the UK increased by 34 per cent – despite these years being the worst trading conditions for tradesmen since the 1930s Great Depression.

But a growing row over Ford dumping Britain without warning for Turkey has sparked calls for drivers to shun the imported vans in favour of other vehicles such as the British made Vauxhall Vivaro.

Romsey and Southampton North MP Caroline Nokes said: “I would not be remotely surprised if white van man supports other British manufacturers like Vauxhall who manufacture in the UK.”

This comes as the Daily Echo reveals how the multinational kept Government ministers in the dark about its long term plans for Southampton while taking millions of pounds of public money.

Heavyweight business secretary Vince Cable has now promised a probe into whether Ford bosses lulled ministers into a false sense of security when they signed off subsidies and finance deals.

Unions have also spoken of the sense of betrayal among the 500 strong workforce who were repeatedly reassured that their livelihoods were safe.

Unite regional officer Fred Hanna said: “People are going to be angry when it closes and if they boycott Transits and other Fords that’s the consequence the company will have to pay.”

Transit enthusiast Peter Lee, who founded the 1,000- strong Transit Van Club, said the sense of betrayal among Ford staff – and the wider public was bound to leave a “bitter taste” among van drivers.

He said: “I think it will definitely affect people’s attitudes towards the Transit and I don’t think it will sell in Southampton ever again.”

Mr Lee said the plucky image the US car giant lovingly fostered over decades was one reason why the vehicle was worshipped as “a working class hero” up and down the land.

But he said another reason was because it was made in Hampshire.

“The Southampton plant is as iconic as the van. I think Ford have shot themselves in the foot,” he said.

Read more on the fall-out from Ford's devastating plans to close the Swaythling plant in our in-depth archive.

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8:59am Mon 5 Nov 12

The Wickham Man says...

Caroline Noakes is not doing any checking or homework before speaking. White Van men will go for the best deal available as they have done historically- they don't have the spare money to make political purchases, whether it is VW, Renault, Vauxhall, or whoever. Do we see many LDV vans around compared to VW? Does Caroline Noakes herself drive a car built in Britain? Does she even know where it was built?
If she wants to do something useful she should check whether the grant money has actually been paid over to Ford yet and put pressure on the Government to stop the cheque.
Caroline Noakes is not doing any checking or homework before speaking. White Van men will go for the best deal available as they have done historically- they don't have the spare money to make political purchases, whether it is VW, Renault, Vauxhall, or whoever. Do we see many LDV vans around compared to VW? Does Caroline Noakes herself drive a car built in Britain? Does she even know where it was built? If she wants to do something useful she should check whether the grant money has actually been paid over to Ford yet and put pressure on the Government to stop the cheque. The Wickham Man
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9:25am Mon 5 Nov 12

Linesman says...

The Wickham Man wrote:
Caroline Noakes is not doing any checking or homework before speaking. White Van men will go for the best deal available as they have done historically- they don't have the spare money to make political purchases, whether it is VW, Renault, Vauxhall, or whoever. Do we see many LDV vans around compared to VW? Does Caroline Noakes herself drive a car built in Britain? Does she even know where it was built?
If she wants to do something useful she should check whether the grant money has actually been paid over to Ford yet and put pressure on the Government to stop the cheque.
I guess that she is pretty certain that the EU cheque made out to Ford has already been cashed, and is going to work in Turkey, which is a non-EU country.

I would hope that, as it is non-EU, there is no preferential treatment for Ford transits when they are exported from Turkey. There are a number of similar vehicles made in the EU.
[quote][p][bold]The Wickham Man[/bold] wrote: Caroline Noakes is not doing any checking or homework before speaking. White Van men will go for the best deal available as they have done historically- they don't have the spare money to make political purchases, whether it is VW, Renault, Vauxhall, or whoever. Do we see many LDV vans around compared to VW? Does Caroline Noakes herself drive a car built in Britain? Does she even know where it was built? If she wants to do something useful she should check whether the grant money has actually been paid over to Ford yet and put pressure on the Government to stop the cheque.[/p][/quote]I guess that she is pretty certain that the EU cheque made out to Ford has already been cashed, and is going to work in Turkey, which is a non-EU country. I would hope that, as it is non-EU, there is no preferential treatment for Ford transits when they are exported from Turkey. There are a number of similar vehicles made in the EU. Linesman
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9:57am Mon 5 Nov 12

Frank28 says...

People will stop buying the Transit over concerns of the future availability of spare parts.
People will stop buying the Transit over concerns of the future availability of spare parts. Frank28
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10:10am Mon 5 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

turkey is not even in the eu?
turkey is not even in the eu? arthur dalyrimple
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10:17am Mon 5 Nov 12

ohec says...

All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future.
All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future. ohec
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10:40am Mon 5 Nov 12

__KTF__ says...

Frank28 wrote:
People will stop buying the Transit over concerns of the future availability of spare parts.
Why, they are still being produced, just not in the UK.

Going back to the original article, Vauxhall is part of GM so not exactly British and the Vivaro is a re-badged Renault Traffic.

The more people that buy the 'best' product rather than base their decision on where its made (which is meaningless these days) the better the products will get overall.

Ford took their eye off the ball with the Transit so VW and Mercedes moved in and took sales as a result as they had the better product.
[quote][p][bold]Frank28[/bold] wrote: People will stop buying the Transit over concerns of the future availability of spare parts.[/p][/quote]Why, they are still being produced, just not in the UK. Going back to the original article, Vauxhall is part of GM so not exactly British and the Vivaro is a re-badged Renault Traffic. The more people that buy the 'best' product rather than base their decision on where its made (which is meaningless these days) the better the products will get overall. Ford took their eye off the ball with the Transit so VW and Mercedes moved in and took sales as a result as they had the better product. __KTF__
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10:50am Mon 5 Nov 12

southy says...

ohec wrote:
All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future.
That depends where in the country you are the LDV sales better in wales and the north west, there worse sales are here in the south and south east
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future.[/p][/quote]That depends where in the country you are the LDV sales better in wales and the north west, there worse sales are here in the south and south east southy
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10:55am Mon 5 Nov 12

Linesman says...

ohec wrote:
All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future.
I am no Sherlock Holmes, but when the Swaythling plant closes, and new transit vans are still being sold, I would have a very strong suspicion that they were not manufactured in either the UK or the EU.

I think that people have accepted that Ford are leaving, and by way of concentrating on the future, they think that they can face that future without a Ford Transit.
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: All people have to do is open their eyes to see that the new King of the road for light commercials is Mercedes and any talk of boycotting Ford is just pathetic as for supporting Vauxhall the vans they assemble are a mix of Nissan / Renault / Vauxhall just badged accordingly and i believe that agreement is coming to an end. Cars and light vans are so multi national nowadays you don't know where they come from so how do you boycott them a Transit might be assembled in Turkey but the parts could come from a host of countries. Its time people just accepted that Ford will be gone and concentrated on the future.[/p][/quote]I am no Sherlock Holmes, but when the Swaythling plant closes, and new transit vans are still being sold, I would have a very strong suspicion that they were not manufactured in either the UK or the EU. I think that people have accepted that Ford are leaving, and by way of concentrating on the future, they think that they can face that future without a Ford Transit. Linesman
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11:09am Mon 5 Nov 12

Danae says...

As completely new models are being introduced now across all three Transit-labelled ranges people may already be rebadging the new products in their own minds as:

Ford Turkey Connect
Ford Custom Turkey
and Ford ...
Two Tonne Turkey!

Probably appropriate with the emerging quality concerns!
As completely new models are being introduced now across all three Transit-labelled ranges people may already be rebadging the new products in their own minds as: Ford Turkey Connect Ford Custom Turkey and Ford ... Two Tonne Turkey! Probably appropriate with the emerging quality concerns! Danae
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11:11am Mon 5 Nov 12

footballcrazy says...

the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.
the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years. footballcrazy
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11:15am Mon 5 Nov 12

footballcrazy says...

not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford
not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford footballcrazy
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11:15am Mon 5 Nov 12

footballcrazy says...

not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford
not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford footballcrazy
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11:24am Mon 5 Nov 12

soton1980 says...

footballcrazy wrote:
not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford
I think that Ford's reputation in the UK will certainly be damaged by this.
[quote][p][bold]footballcrazy[/bold] wrote: not just vans with the 500 workersand contracters whom have been stabbed in back talk of avoiding buying ford cars and dont forget family and friends close to them feel the same way and will try and buy made in this country or others just to avoid ford[/p][/quote]I think that Ford's reputation in the UK will certainly be damaged by this. soton1980
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11:38am Mon 5 Nov 12

sotonwinch09 says...

People will buy what they wan't. If someone wants a transit then they will buy a transit. No-one actually cares about the production moving away unless they worked there.
People will buy what they wan't. If someone wants a transit then they will buy a transit. No-one actually cares about the production moving away unless they worked there. sotonwinch09
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11:45am Mon 5 Nov 12

bazzeroz says...

You've only got to look in Ford's car park and see what the workers drive! It's NOT all Ford either. If I remember correctly the staff used to get discounts for buying Ford cars but the competitors would match it and in many cases beat it as well.
You've only got to look in Ford's car park and see what the workers drive! It's NOT all Ford either. If I remember correctly the staff used to get discounts for buying Ford cars but the competitors would match it and in many cases beat it as well. bazzeroz
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12:50pm Mon 5 Nov 12

skeptik says...

We will boycott - heard that many times Cadbury, HP sauce and now Transits - the cost and suitability will trump any feelings of loyalty - always does.
We will boycott - heard that many times Cadbury, HP sauce and now Transits - the cost and suitability will trump any feelings of loyalty - always does. skeptik
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12:54pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

footballcrazy wrote:
the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.
Then surely there would have been product recalls ?
[quote][p][bold]footballcrazy[/bold] wrote: the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.[/p][/quote]Then surely there would have been product recalls ? Cyber__Fug
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2:43pm Mon 5 Nov 12

sarfhamton says...

But I want Turkish craftsmanship for my van, they are well known vehicle makers surely?
But I want Turkish craftsmanship for my van, they are well known vehicle makers surely? sarfhamton
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3:20pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Niel says...

The pikeys went up market years ago, and seem to have settled on Merc van's, just like Hants Amb did in the 90's, Ford missed a trick, they didn't do 'purchasing officer' trips to the factory and Black Forest for the Emergency Services buyers and their bosses, all expenses paid...
I well remember those early Merc Ambulance's, dangerously unreliable, more than a few patients lives were almost lost when either the engine went bang or the gearbox failed, even after a 10,000 mile running in period on slow 'day case transport', unlike the Tranny, straight into front line service, thrashed from day one.
It's not just down to purchase cost, it's down to who felt 'obligated' having had the freebies!
The pikeys went up market years ago, and seem to have settled on Merc van's, just like Hants Amb did in the 90's, Ford missed a trick, they didn't do 'purchasing officer' trips to the factory and Black Forest for the Emergency Services buyers and their bosses, all expenses paid... I well remember those early Merc Ambulance's, dangerously unreliable, more than a few patients lives were almost lost when either the engine went bang or the gearbox failed, even after a 10,000 mile running in period on slow 'day case transport', unlike the Tranny, straight into front line service, thrashed from day one. It's not just down to purchase cost, it's down to who felt 'obligated' having had the freebies! Niel
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3:38pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Dresnez says...

A number of nations may oppose it; notably Austria, which historically served as a bulwark for Christian Europe against the Ottoman Empire whose armies twice laid siege to Vienna in 1529 and 1683;

German chancellor Angela Merkel has long rejected Turkey's accession bid, and has proposed a "privileged partnership" instead;

France, where some are anxious at the prospect of a new wave of Muslim immigrants, given the country's already large, and poorly integrated, Muslim community.

http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Accession_o
f_Turkey_to_the_Euro
pean_Union

Simple the UK slaps a huge tax on the vans made in Turkey that go on sale here to make them very uncompetitive.

Sick of these global corps wanting to benefit from our markets but don't want to pay the wages or the Corporation Taxes.

I am sure it won't happen though, this Tory Government prefers to pick on pensioners and ignore any difficult jobs in the 'in tray' like tackling tax avoidance and closing tax loopholes for global corporations.

In fact Cameron wants to reduce corporation tax.

We can see how Ford, Starbucks, Apple and Vodofone etc have treated us. They base here, HQ elsewhere for tax purposes, Jobs in call centres in India and often pay minimum wages if they can get away with it. They are happy to take the grants though.

You really cannot buy friends.
A number of nations may oppose it; notably Austria, which historically served as a bulwark for Christian Europe against the Ottoman Empire whose armies twice laid siege to Vienna in 1529 and 1683; German chancellor Angela Merkel has long rejected Turkey's accession bid, and has proposed a "privileged partnership" instead;[58] France, where some are anxious at the prospect of a new wave of Muslim immigrants, given the country's already large, and poorly integrated, Muslim community.[59] http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Accession_o f_Turkey_to_the_Euro pean_Union Simple the UK slaps a huge tax on the vans made in Turkey that go on sale here to make them very uncompetitive. Sick of these global corps wanting to benefit from our markets but don't want to pay the wages or the Corporation Taxes. I am sure it won't happen though, this Tory Government prefers to pick on pensioners and ignore any difficult jobs in the 'in tray' like tackling tax avoidance and closing tax loopholes for global corporations. In fact Cameron wants to reduce corporation tax. We can see how Ford, Starbucks, Apple and Vodofone etc have treated us. They base here, HQ elsewhere for tax purposes, Jobs in call centres in India and often pay minimum wages if they can get away with it. They are happy to take the grants though. You really cannot buy friends. Dresnez
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5:11pm Mon 5 Nov 12

geoff51 says...

My Japanese car was built in Hungary and I can honestly say its well built, well specified and reliable, so whats the problem with building Transits in Turkey?
The Turkish people are not living in tents keeping Camels, they are perfectly capable of building a Transit van.
The Workforce and Unions have screwed the Swaythling factory over the years and if its cheaper to build Transits in Turkey then they only have themselves to blame.
To be perfectly honest Fords range of vans and cars are poor compared with the opposition and even the fleet buyers are avoiding them, the Ka is the most ugly vehicle on our roads compared with the Corsa, Micra,Swift,and many others.
My Japanese car was built in Hungary and I can honestly say its well built, well specified and reliable, so whats the problem with building Transits in Turkey? The Turkish people are not living in tents keeping Camels, they are perfectly capable of building a Transit van. The Workforce and Unions have screwed the Swaythling factory over the years and if its cheaper to build Transits in Turkey then they only have themselves to blame. To be perfectly honest Fords range of vans and cars are poor compared with the opposition and even the fleet buyers are avoiding them, the Ka is the most ugly vehicle on our roads compared with the Corsa, Micra,Swift,and many others. geoff51
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6:48pm Mon 5 Nov 12

rs16ipete says...

i feel very sorry for the people affected with the closure of swaything, i had many family members who worked there over the years. but to say people will boycott the transit or ford as a whole is just absolutely stupid. yes maybe ford could have handled the closure better, but saying they will buy a vauxhall because its built in the uk is just nonsence. the vauxhall is assembled here but thats it! most parts are from the renault traffic in france on which its based. come on people open your eyes!! the transit has been produced in turkey for years as swaything cant produce the LWB hi top, is there any concerns on quality?? NO. the engines / gearboxes and other components are still produced here and ford still employs thousands here in the uk! i work for a national company that has one of the largest fleets of vans in the uk and we mainly use transits, why because it is the best van for the job, be it uk built or not. so yes boycott ford and hold yourself personally responsible for the possible loss of thousands more jobs. i have 2 transits and many friends and family do too, would i buy another? your dam right i would. there is no such thing as a british vehical anymore. times have changed people, i bet a lot of you have got a dyson at home?? well they left because of cheap labour and people still buy them! what else is british built in your house?? not a lot, even the laptop your using now is probably imported. get used to it!
i feel very sorry for the people affected with the closure of swaything, i had many family members who worked there over the years. but to say people will boycott the transit or ford as a whole is just absolutely stupid. yes maybe ford could have handled the closure better, but saying they will buy a vauxhall because its built in the uk is just nonsence. the vauxhall is assembled here but thats it! most parts are from the renault traffic in france on which its based. come on people open your eyes!! the transit has been produced in turkey for years as swaything cant produce the LWB hi top, is there any concerns on quality?? NO. the engines / gearboxes and other components are still produced here and ford still employs thousands here in the uk! i work for a national company that has one of the largest fleets of vans in the uk and we mainly use transits, why because it is the best van for the job, be it uk built or not. so yes boycott ford and hold yourself personally responsible for the possible loss of thousands more jobs. i have 2 transits and many friends and family do too, would i buy another? your dam right i would. there is no such thing as a british vehical anymore. times have changed people, i bet a lot of you have got a dyson at home?? well they left because of cheap labour and people still buy them! what else is british built in your house?? not a lot, even the laptop your using now is probably imported. get used to it! rs16ipete
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6:54pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Milly in Bassett says...

boycotting the EU would be better. We have given £1.28bn to the EU to fund the loans just like they've just given to Ford to move production to Turkey. More investment in manufacturing and development in the UK would be welcome. Would be really interested to know how many companies have received EU Loans to bring business to the UK. What will happen to the site in Swaythling?
boycotting the EU would be better. We have given £1.28bn to the EU to fund the loans just like they've just given to Ford to move production to Turkey. More investment in manufacturing and development in the UK would be welcome. Would be really interested to know how many companies have received EU Loans to bring business to the UK. What will happen to the site in Swaythling? Milly in Bassett
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6:58pm Mon 5 Nov 12

1clubonsouthcoastsfc says...

People will buy whatever is more economical for them or if they are not worried about money any van they wish. Everybody is making such a fuss about fords going. Its business get over it. Even with goverment handouts it obviously still worked out cheaper to make abroad. cant remember all this fuss being made when 200 people got made redundent from pratt and whitney canada uk based at the airport 4 years ago.
People will buy whatever is more economical for them or if they are not worried about money any van they wish. Everybody is making such a fuss about fords going. Its business get over it. Even with goverment handouts it obviously still worked out cheaper to make abroad. cant remember all this fuss being made when 200 people got made redundent from pratt and whitney canada uk based at the airport 4 years ago. 1clubonsouthcoastsfc
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7:22pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Milly in Bassett says...

skeptik wrote:
We will boycott - heard that many times Cadbury, HP sauce and now Transits - the cost and suitability will trump any feelings of loyalty - always does.
How about ASDA etc avoiding tax in the UK by sending huge sums to USA?

Balir and Brown set up the commitment to the EU thats stripping money that should be invested in UK. Cameron must give more serious thought to withdrawing from the EU. I struggle to see any benefit to us.
[quote][p][bold]skeptik[/bold] wrote: We will boycott - heard that many times Cadbury, HP sauce and now Transits - the cost and suitability will trump any feelings of loyalty - always does.[/p][/quote]How about ASDA etc avoiding tax in the UK by sending huge sums to USA? Balir and Brown set up the commitment to the EU thats stripping money that should be invested in UK. Cameron must give more serious thought to withdrawing from the EU. I struggle to see any benefit to us. Milly in Bassett
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7:33pm Mon 5 Nov 12

georgetheseventh says...

I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now.
I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now. georgetheseventh
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7:49pm Mon 5 Nov 12

middlestream says...

Maybe vauxhall would annex the liverpool factory and build vauxhall vans in southampton...a trained workforce and an empty factory ready to succeed...
Maybe vauxhall would annex the liverpool factory and build vauxhall vans in southampton...a trained workforce and an empty factory ready to succeed... middlestream
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8:43pm Mon 5 Nov 12

temp007 says...

footballcrazy wrote:
the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.
well said footballcrazy,that is correct regarding the bt order,SOUTHAMPTON BUILT TRANSIT ONLY, NO TURKISH BUILT
****
[quote][p][bold]footballcrazy[/bold] wrote: the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.[/p][/quote]well said footballcrazy,that is correct regarding the bt order,SOUTHAMPTON BUILT TRANSIT ONLY, NO TURKISH BUILT **** temp007
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9:03pm Mon 5 Nov 12

rs16ipete says...

temp007 wrote:
footballcrazy wrote:
the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.
well said footballcrazy,that is correct regarding the bt order,SOUTHAMPTON BUILT TRANSIT ONLY, NO TURKISH BUILT
****
come on! do you really belive that just because a van is turkish built then the welds are different or a different standard?? really people, think. the van ether coming from the uk or turkey will have to conform to a standard, otherwise there would be type approval issues and issues around safety. do you not think the reason for bt not wanting a turkish built one is because they want to show there support for the uk van industry ? as papers do the daily echo is twisting the story there way to sell papers, my question to them is why dont they use transits?? why do they use the vauxhall movano which is a frence built rebadged renault! mmm doubt they will answer this one!!
[quote][p][bold]temp007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]footballcrazy[/bold] wrote: the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.[/p][/quote]well said footballcrazy,that is correct regarding the bt order,SOUTHAMPTON BUILT TRANSIT ONLY, NO TURKISH BUILT ****[/p][/quote]come on! do you really belive that just because a van is turkish built then the welds are different or a different standard?? really people, think. the van ether coming from the uk or turkey will have to conform to a standard, otherwise there would be type approval issues and issues around safety. do you not think the reason for bt not wanting a turkish built one is because they want to show there support for the uk van industry ? as papers do the daily echo is twisting the story there way to sell papers, my question to them is why dont they use transits?? why do they use the vauxhall movano which is a frence built rebadged renault! mmm doubt they will answer this one!! rs16ipete
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9:10pm Mon 5 Nov 12

loosehead says...

I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now.
But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here?
When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van.
If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD?
Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles?
Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant,
Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords?
I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now. But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here? When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van. If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD? Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles? Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant, Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords? loosehead
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9:20pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Milly in Bassett says...

Are you all happy that your taxes have gone to fund the factory in Turkey (which incidentally is not part of the EU) ? That the millions of pounds that we have paid in Tax that the government has now said won't go to India will still go abroad. That ASDA where many of us shop because we have to send vast sums of money over to WALMART to avoid tax in UK.

Enough, Cameron you need to do more.
Are you all happy that your taxes have gone to fund the factory in Turkey (which incidentally is not part of the EU) ? That the millions of pounds that we have paid in Tax that the government has now said won't go to India will still go abroad. That ASDA where many of us shop because we have to send vast sums of money over to WALMART to avoid tax in UK. Enough, Cameron you need to do more. Milly in Bassett
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9:23pm Mon 5 Nov 12

__KTF__ says...

loosehead wrote:
I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now.
But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here?
When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van.
If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD?
Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles?
Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant,
Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords?
Assuming you mean LDV, then it might be hard to buy a new one given that they went into administration at the end of 2009.

Nothing wrong with buying British if the product is worth buying. If people are not buying Transits then Ford arent going to keep churning them out and have then sitting about in airfields.

Also, why do the majority of people say 'Fords'? Its Ford.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now. But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here? When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van. If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD? Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles? Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant, Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords?[/p][/quote]Assuming you mean LDV, then it might be hard to buy a new one given that they went into administration at the end of 2009. Nothing wrong with buying British if the product is worth buying. If people are not buying Transits then Ford arent going to keep churning them out and have then sitting about in airfields. Also, why do the majority of people say 'Fords'? Its Ford. __KTF__
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9:44pm Mon 5 Nov 12

loosehead says...

__KTF__ wrote:
loosehead wrote:
I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now.
But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here?
When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van.
If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD?
Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles?
Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant,
Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords?
Assuming you mean LDV, then it might be hard to buy a new one given that they went into administration at the end of 2009.

Nothing wrong with buying British if the product is worth buying. If people are not buying Transits then Ford arent going to keep churning them out and have then sitting about in airfields.

Also, why do the majority of people say 'Fords'? Its Ford.
I apologise I typed it wrong & after Southy's post I guessed LDV was still being produced.
Yes your right it is the FORD motor company but many people call them Fords?
I was trying to say if there is another manufacturer in the UK who produces vans then don't buy a transit van ( Ford).
with the other high quality car manufacturers why but a Ford?
[quote][p][bold]__KTF__[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: I couldn't afford to buy a new van/car now. But if I could I would buy a Nissan electric or isn't that built here? When I was in the TA we had an LVD which I've drove & since then I've driven a transit van. If LVD do a Transit style van & a normal van & is built here why not boycott Fords & buy LVD? Doe's it hurt to buy British built vehicles? Nissan in Sunderland has the best reputation of any car manufacturing plant, Toyota & Honda plus BMW's mini plant are all producing high quality cars so why buy Fords?[/p][/quote]Assuming you mean LDV, then it might be hard to buy a new one given that they went into administration at the end of 2009. Nothing wrong with buying British if the product is worth buying. If people are not buying Transits then Ford arent going to keep churning them out and have then sitting about in airfields. Also, why do the majority of people say 'Fords'? Its Ford.[/p][/quote]I apologise I typed it wrong & after Southy's post I guessed LDV was still being produced. Yes your right it is the FORD motor company but many people call them Fords? I was trying to say if there is another manufacturer in the UK who produces vans then don't buy a transit van ( Ford). with the other high quality car manufacturers why but a Ford? loosehead
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12:10am Tue 6 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Danae wrote:
As completely new models are being introduced now across all three Transit-labelled ranges people may already be rebadging the new products in their own minds as:

Ford Turkey Connect
Ford Custom Turkey
and Ford ...
Two Tonne Turkey!

Probably appropriate with the emerging quality concerns!
Well the quality can't be any worse than it is already!
[quote][p][bold]Danae[/bold] wrote: As completely new models are being introduced now across all three Transit-labelled ranges people may already be rebadging the new products in their own minds as: Ford Turkey Connect Ford Custom Turkey and Ford ... Two Tonne Turkey! Probably appropriate with the emerging quality concerns![/p][/quote]Well the quality can't be any worse than it is already! andysaints007
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12:11am Tue 6 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

footballcrazy wrote:
the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.
TW&T
[quote][p][bold]footballcrazy[/bold] wrote: the problem with the turkish made vans is that the seam welding finish is not as secure as the swaythling built van. hence bt insisted on their order being from swaythling. my husband now retire did the ultrasonic testing at swaythling and worked there for 34 years.[/p][/quote]TW&T andysaints007
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12:15am Tue 6 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

georgetheseventh wrote:
I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now.
Why would they be d*ckhead?
[quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now.[/p][/quote]Why would they be d*ckhead? andysaints007
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7:17am Tue 6 Nov 12

loosehead says...

andysaints007 wrote:
georgetheseventh wrote:
I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now.
Why would they be d*ckhead?
No he got it wrong he meant to say "the vans will cost half the price to produce than they are now"
Ford are going to Turkey to increase their profits
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]georgetheseventh[/bold] wrote: I doubt it..the vans will be HALF the price they are now.[/p][/quote]Why would they be d*ckhead?[/p][/quote]No he got it wrong he meant to say "the vans will cost half the price to produce than they are now" Ford are going to Turkey to increase their profits loosehead
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