Sir Ian McKellen backs campaign to save The Hobbit pub in Southampton

Daily Echo: Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf Sir Ian McKellen as Gandalf

FILM star Ian Mckellen has joined a now 40,000 strong campaign backing the Hobbit pub in Southampton.

The actor has spoken out in support of the popular watering hole after a massive multi-national American company began a legal fight to force the boozer to change its name and theme.

Today's Daily Echo tells how fellow actor Stephen Fry came out in support of the internet campaign backing the pub in Bevois Valley Road.

And now his fellow actor on the Hobbit film currently being made in new Zealand has used Twitter and his own website to join the swell of support, calling the legal claim “unnecessary pettiness”.

He wrote: “I haven't yet talked to Stephen Fry about his disapproval of this Hollywood bullying but I'm with him all the way.

“All the way to The Hobbit pub once filming is over in July.”

The pub has been warned by the Saul Zaentz Company in America that it will face legal action if it does not drop all references to the works of author JRR Tolkien.

But the legendary 72-year-old actor and the other campaigners are arguing that a portrait of Gandalf, a main character in both The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings books and films, has hung outside the pub in Portswood for more than 20 years.

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10:11am Thu 15 Mar 12

mummsie says...

Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!!
Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!! mummsie

10:35am Thu 15 Mar 12

JohnLR says...

Back the Hobbit! It's JRR Tolkiens original work so what right has SZC to bully a small local pub?

What next, taking The Two Towers Brewery to court because of their name?

Sod off Hollywood!
Back the Hobbit! It's JRR Tolkiens original work so what right has SZC to bully a small local pub? What next, taking The Two Towers Brewery to court because of their name? Sod off Hollywood! JohnLR

11:00am Thu 15 Mar 12

Linesman says...

Gandalf backs the Hobbit pub.

Magic!
Gandalf backs the Hobbit pub. Magic! Linesman

11:20am Thu 15 Mar 12

Goldenwight says...

Are the filming company REALLY intending to sue 'The Hobbit', or is this just a cynical manipulation of the press to get a lot of free publicity?
Are the filming company REALLY intending to sue 'The Hobbit', or is this just a cynical manipulation of the press to get a lot of free publicity? Goldenwight

12:01pm Thu 15 Mar 12

mike80 says...

Goldenwight wrote:
Are the filming company REALLY intending to sue 'The Hobbit', or is this just a cynical manipulation of the press to get a lot of free publicity?
I think the PR is mutually beneficial... keeps the new film in the spotlight and gives a local punters another reason to visit this establishment in support.

Of course I am not saying that this isn't an extremely stressful time for the pub, but with two megastars throwing support to the pub - lets just hope they kept that letter from the Tolkein estate (I believe it was mentioned yesterday? Correct me if I am wrong) stating they could use the name!

Would that not supercede SZC's copyright infringement claim?
[quote][p][bold]Goldenwight[/bold] wrote: Are the filming company REALLY intending to sue 'The Hobbit', or is this just a cynical manipulation of the press to get a lot of free publicity?[/p][/quote]I think the PR is mutually beneficial... keeps the new film in the spotlight and gives a local punters another reason to visit this establishment in support. Of course I am not saying that this isn't an extremely stressful time for the pub, but with two megastars throwing support to the pub - lets just hope they kept that letter from the Tolkein estate (I believe it was mentioned yesterday? Correct me if I am wrong) stating they could use the name! Would that not supercede SZC's copyright infringement claim? mike80

12:05pm Thu 15 Mar 12

voiceinthecrowd says...

mummsie wrote:
Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!!
I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block.
I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal.
If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit.
Its a sad world but true.
Actors etc would soon be on the dole
[quote][p][bold]mummsie[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!![/p][/quote]I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole voiceinthecrowd

12:06pm Thu 15 Mar 12

voiceinthecrowd says...

I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block.
I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal.
If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit.
Its a sad world but true.
Actors etc would soon be on the dole
I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole voiceinthecrowd

12:17pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Huffter says...

The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence. Huffter

12:19pm Thu 15 Mar 12

JeffJefftyJeff says...

voiceinthecrowd wrote:
I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block.
I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal.
If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit.
Its a sad world but true.
Actors etc would soon be on the dole
What memorabillia are they selling?
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole[/p][/quote]What memorabillia are they selling? JeffJefftyJeff

12:21pm Thu 15 Mar 12

JeffJefftyJeff says...

Huffter wrote:
The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under? JeffJefftyJeff

12:28pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Tony S says...

I support keeping the pub name as a reference to the book, but themed drinks, T-shirts with images of the characters and the pub sign with silhouettes is infringing on the film. I am sure somewhere in the depths of English language hobbit is bound to be a word (or any other language for that matter)
I support keeping the pub name as a reference to the book, but themed drinks, T-shirts with images of the characters and the pub sign with silhouettes is infringing on the film. I am sure somewhere in the depths of English language hobbit is bound to be a word (or any other language for that matter) Tony S

12:28pm Thu 15 Mar 12

sarfhamton says...

shut down the Queen's Head, I don't think 'er Madge has given permission for that.

Also, shut down the talking Heads, that band must be ready to sue.

Vic Reeves is ready to sue the Shooting Star and a group of carpenters are about to take the Joiners to court.
shut down the Queen's Head, I don't think 'er Madge has given permission for that. Also, shut down the talking Heads, that band must be ready to sue. Vic Reeves is ready to sue the Shooting Star and a group of carpenters are about to take the Joiners to court. sarfhamton

12:33pm Thu 15 Mar 12

wr0ng1 says...

I think a fair compromise would be to replace images taken from the LOTR films with original artwork based on descriptions from the book. Asking the pub to completely re-brand is petty, but the use of images from the films was, to be fair, cutting a corner in order to ride in the slipstream of the LOTR trilogy's publicity. I've been drinking there for 17 years and the changes made after those films came out were drastic.
I think a fair compromise would be to replace images taken from the LOTR films with original artwork based on descriptions from the book. Asking the pub to completely re-brand is petty, but the use of images from the films was, to be fair, cutting a corner in order to ride in the slipstream of the LOTR trilogy's publicity. I've been drinking there for 17 years and the changes made after those films came out were drastic. wr0ng1

12:33pm Thu 15 Mar 12

bigfella777 says...

There is an article in "i" today on page 26 today which says "The hobbits were one of the most unusual species of humans with miniaturised skeletons and skulls,standing just 3 feet tall.They lived on the Indonesian island of Flores until they went extinct about 18,000 years ago".
You cant own a species of human being so obviously what the pub needs to do is stop cashing in on the upcoming film with all the merchandise.
There is an article in "i" today on page 26 today which says "The hobbits were one of the most unusual species of humans with miniaturised skeletons and skulls,standing just 3 feet tall.They lived on the Indonesian island of Flores until they went extinct about 18,000 years ago". You cant own a species of human being so obviously what the pub needs to do is stop cashing in on the upcoming film with all the merchandise. bigfella777

12:49pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Icklelady says...

JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
voiceinthecrowd wrote:
I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block.
I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal.
If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit.
Its a sad world but true.
Actors etc would soon be on the dole
What memorabillia are they selling?
T-**** that say "the hobbit."

I can't remember if they say "The hobbit pub" or just "the hobbit."
[quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: I have tried to point out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole[/p][/quote]What memorabillia are they selling?[/p][/quote]T-**** that say "the hobbit." I can't remember if they say "The hobbit pub" or just "the hobbit." Icklelady

1:14pm Thu 15 Mar 12

St Retford says...

Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar. St Retford

1:34pm Thu 15 Mar 12

HippieSparkles says...

St Retford wrote:
Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives. HippieSparkles

2:25pm Thu 15 Mar 12

likewatchingbrazil says...

HippieSparkles wrote:
St Retford wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.
yeah it really matter's what a pub is called, boring story about nothing important, end of
[quote][p][bold]HippieSparkles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.[/p][/quote]yeah it really matter's what a pub is called, boring story about nothing important, end of likewatchingbrazil

2:28pm Thu 15 Mar 12

truelysaints says...

Pint please!
Pint please! truelysaints

3:12pm Thu 15 Mar 12

St Retford says...

HippieSparkles wrote:
St Retford wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.
Just a bit of a joke, HS. In the context of Afghanistan, Syria, the privatisation of the NHS and the police and the impending financial collapse this story doesn't matter THAT much.
[quote][p][bold]HippieSparkles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.[/p][/quote]Just a bit of a joke, HS. In the context of Afghanistan, Syria, the privatisation of the NHS and the police and the impending financial collapse this story doesn't matter THAT much. St Retford

3:37pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Huffter says...

JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988
[quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?[/p][/quote]Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988 Huffter

3:37pm Thu 15 Mar 12

southy says...

voiceinthecrowd wrote:
mummsie wrote:
Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!!
I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block.
I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal.
If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit.
Its a sad world but true.
Actors etc would soon be on the dole
Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper
[quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mummsie[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!![/p][/quote]I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole[/p][/quote]Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper southy

3:41pm Thu 15 Mar 12

JeffJefftyJeff says...

Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988
Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?[/p][/quote]Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988[/p][/quote]Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material. JeffJefftyJeff

3:46pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Huffter says...

southy wrote:
voiceinthecrowd wrote:
mummsie wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!!
I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole
Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper
If it's registered as the property of a person or organisation then they own the rights to it - that's how copyright works! Perhaps you could take action against "Southys Wood Fired Pizza Restaurant" in Australia?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mummsie[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!![/p][/quote]I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole[/p][/quote]Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper[/p][/quote]If it's registered as the property of a person or organisation then they own the rights to it - that's how copyright works! Perhaps you could take action against "Southys Wood Fired Pizza Restaurant" in Australia? Huffter

4:04pm Thu 15 Mar 12

The Wickham Man says...

HippieSparkles wrote:
St Retford wrote:
Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.
The reason Retford's post is so funny is because of the humourless prissy puritanical reaction it brings out in people like you. You'll find that both McKellen and Fry enjoy talking about their sexuality though why they think anyone else wants to conepmplate a fat self regarding bombast and a feeble old cruiser at play beats me. (oooh a double entendre there....)
[quote][p][bold]HippieSparkles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.[/p][/quote]The reason Retford's post is so funny is because of the humourless prissy puritanical reaction it brings out in people like you. You'll find that both McKellen and Fry enjoy talking about their sexuality though why they think anyone else wants to conepmplate a fat self regarding bombast and a feeble old cruiser at play beats me. (oooh a double entendre there....) The Wickham Man

4:06pm Thu 15 Mar 12

HippieSparkles says...

St Retford wrote:
HippieSparkles wrote:
St Retford wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.
What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.
Just a bit of a joke, HS. In the context of Afghanistan, Syria, the privatisation of the NHS and the police and the impending financial collapse this story doesn't matter THAT much.
Sorry to get a little uppity about your comment, StR; I understand your point. I agree, those issues are far greater than the plight of a small pub. That being said, people are stepping up as they feel they can do some good, or at least try to. The point I was trying to make was a positive one. What started off as a small following has sky-rocketed to global news in just a few days, because people care. It's times like this that give me a small shred of hope that humanity is still capable of compassion
[quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HippieSparkles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]St Retford[/bold] wrote: Hmmm, so we've had Ian McKellen AND Stephen Fry stepping in to support it. I've not been to The Hobbit in about 10 years but I didn't think it was *that* sort of bar.[/p][/quote]What difference does it make what sort of pub it is? Or, for that matter, the sexuality of those supporting it? The point is that people are sitting up and paying attention to the real thing that matters. All support is very much welcome, all the more so from people like Sir Ian McKellen and Stephen Fry, regardless of sexuality or how they conduct their private lives.[/p][/quote]Just a bit of a joke, HS. In the context of Afghanistan, Syria, the privatisation of the NHS and the police and the impending financial collapse this story doesn't matter THAT much.[/p][/quote]Sorry to get a little uppity about your comment, StR; I understand your point. I agree, those issues are far greater than the plight of a small pub. That being said, people are stepping up as they feel they can do some good, or at least try to. The point I was trying to make was a positive one. What started off as a small following has sky-rocketed to global news in just a few days, because people care. It's times like this that give me a small shred of hope that humanity is still capable of compassion HippieSparkles

4:16pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Huffter says...

JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988
Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.
So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ?
[quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?[/p][/quote]Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988[/p][/quote]Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.[/p][/quote]So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ? Huffter

4:17pm Thu 15 Mar 12

bobbyboy says...

Well done to ALL those that show support and sends a message back to the miths in the USA we will not be dominated by you or anyone else its our freedom of choice its an old English name it was writen by an English writer and it sits in an English City so get used to it. As for the merchandise its simple as well DONT BUY IT Dont Watch the Film but drink a good old English Pint and StuFF em then we will see who's profits are hit most.
Well done to ALL those that show support and sends a message back to the miths in the USA we will not be dominated by you or anyone else its our freedom of choice its an old English name it was writen by an English writer and it sits in an English City so get used to it. As for the merchandise its simple as well DONT BUY IT Dont Watch the Film but drink a good old English Pint and StuFF em then we will see who's profits are hit most. bobbyboy

4:40pm Thu 15 Mar 12

acid drop says...

JohnLR wrote:
Back the Hobbit! It's JRR Tolkiens original work so what right has SZC to bully a small local pub?

What next, taking The Two Towers Brewery to court because of their name?

Sod off Hollywood!
The yanks always want to rule the world,leave our pubs alone
[quote][p][bold]JohnLR[/bold] wrote: Back the Hobbit! It's JRR Tolkiens original work so what right has SZC to bully a small local pub? What next, taking The Two Towers Brewery to court because of their name? Sod off Hollywood![/p][/quote]The yanks always want to rule the world,leave our pubs alone acid drop

4:48pm Thu 15 Mar 12

IronLady2010 says...

The Hobbit Pub is a themed pub, whilst using some Copyright material are they actually damaging or taking income away from the original copyright owner?

Looking at it from a different angle, could they possibly be advertising and creating new business for the copyright owner?

I guess it's a little like ITunes you get a small sample of a music track FREE and if you like it you go ahead and purchase it.

The Hobbit Pub with their theme could infact encourage visitors to go out and purchase a book or a film.

Maybe a compromise could be the yanks give them 'official' merchandise to sell, so both parties win!
The Hobbit Pub is a themed pub, whilst using some Copyright material are they actually damaging or taking income away from the original copyright owner? Looking at it from a different angle, could they possibly be advertising and creating new business for the copyright owner? I guess it's a little like ITunes you get a small sample of a music track FREE and if you like it you go ahead and purchase it. The Hobbit Pub with their theme could infact encourage visitors to go out and purchase a book or a film. Maybe a compromise could be the yanks give them 'official' merchandise to sell, so both parties win! IronLady2010

5:12pm Thu 15 Mar 12

southy says...

Huffter wrote:
southy wrote:
voiceinthecrowd wrote:
mummsie wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!!
I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole
Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper
If it's registered as the property of a person or organisation then they own the rights to it - that's how copyright works! Perhaps you could take action against "Southys Wood Fired Pizza Restaurant" in Australia?
The copy right laws require it to be a original, and not commonly used as every thing that the film and and what is in the books have been around for a very long time a lot longer that Tolkien was born, there is no copy righs infringement.
There a list of Historians lining up to back the Hobbit Pub.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]voiceinthecrowd[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mummsie[/bold] wrote: Thanks Sir Ian! It's not a million dollar company... it's a ENGLISH pub which is a dying trade in this country. Keep up the good fight! Hollywood.. You don't rule the world although some of the people working for you, seem to THINK you do!!![/p][/quote]I have tried to p0int out before that selling memorabelia is the stumbling block. I am glad that the actor Sir Ian is supporting the campaign which I do to save the name and Theme but NOT the infringement of copyright which I am sorry is illegal. If every film that came out was not legally backed NO one would make enough money to produce more films. Films need backers, Backers need profit. Its a sad world but true. Actors etc would soon be on the dole[/p][/quote]Again it can only have copy right if its original, and none of it is, every thing about the Tolkiens works came from the pass Myths, charactors names are real or from a myth, places are real place names in the west of England, maps are from real maps, Even from the film costumes ect are copys from drawings that was done by some one else long before even Tolkien took pen to paper[/p][/quote]If it's registered as the property of a person or organisation then they own the rights to it - that's how copyright works! Perhaps you could take action against "Southys Wood Fired Pizza Restaurant" in Australia?[/p][/quote]The copy right laws require it to be a original, and not commonly used as every thing that the film and and what is in the books have been around for a very long time a lot longer that Tolkien was born, there is no copy righs infringement. There a list of Historians lining up to back the Hobbit Pub. southy

5:17pm Thu 15 Mar 12

southy says...

Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988
Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.
So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ?
Yes it is because of 2 reasons.
1/ Gandalf is a surname and there is no copy rights on surnames.
2/ Gandalf is from Norse Myth meaning wan waving wizzard.
[quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?[/p][/quote]Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988[/p][/quote]Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.[/p][/quote]So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ?[/p][/quote]Yes it is because of 2 reasons. 1/ Gandalf is a surname and there is no copy rights on surnames. 2/ Gandalf is from Norse Myth meaning wan waving wizzard. southy

5:21pm Thu 15 Mar 12

southy says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
The Hobbit Pub is a themed pub, whilst using some Copyright material are they actually damaging or taking income away from the original copyright owner?

Looking at it from a different angle, could they possibly be advertising and creating new business for the copyright owner?

I guess it's a little like ITunes you get a small sample of a music track FREE and if you like it you go ahead and purchase it.

The Hobbit Pub with their theme could infact encourage visitors to go out and purchase a book or a film.

Maybe a compromise could be the yanks give them 'official' merchandise to sell, so both parties win!
If thats the case then Tolkien and film industry have broken copy right laws, all they have done is copied some thing thats been around longer than they have.
Do your reseach
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: The Hobbit Pub is a themed pub, whilst using some Copyright material are they actually damaging or taking income away from the original copyright owner? Looking at it from a different angle, could they possibly be advertising and creating new business for the copyright owner? I guess it's a little like ITunes you get a small sample of a music track FREE and if you like it you go ahead and purchase it. The Hobbit Pub with their theme could infact encourage visitors to go out and purchase a book or a film. Maybe a compromise could be the yanks give them 'official' merchandise to sell, so both parties win![/p][/quote]If thats the case then Tolkien and film industry have broken copy right laws, all they have done is copied some thing thats been around longer than they have. Do your reseach southy

5:26pm Thu 15 Mar 12

dango says...

if the Hollywood hot-sh!t lawyers want to get their teeth into something, they could do worse than prosecute the traders at places such as Bursledon car-boot sale and various pop-up stores in Southampton selling various fake Lord of the Rings tat, sorry, merchandise.
if the Hollywood hot-sh!t lawyers want to get their teeth into something, they could do worse than prosecute the traders at places such as Bursledon car-boot sale and various pop-up stores in Southampton selling various fake Lord of the Rings tat, sorry, merchandise. dango

7:26pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Huffter says...

southy wrote:
Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote:
JeffJefftyJeff wrote:
Huffter wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.
The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?
Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988
Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.
So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ?
Yes it is because of 2 reasons. 1/ Gandalf is a surname and there is no copy rights on surnames. 2/ Gandalf is from Norse Myth meaning wan waving wizzard.
I'll be sure to let my neighbours Mr Baggins, Mr Gamgee & Mr Orc know.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JeffJefftyJeff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Huffter[/bold] wrote: The pub is not at risk - simply being asked to comply with the law. Infringement of copyright is both a civil and criminal offence.[/p][/quote]The pub is at risk as it would cost a lot of money to re-brand. It's almost gone under as it is recently iirc. Also which criminal law is this an offence under?[/p][/quote]Copyright, Design & Patents Act 1988[/p][/quote]Nope - the only criminal offences under that act are to do with selling copyrighted material not sure naming your pub and putting up film posters is selling the copyright material.[/p][/quote]So it's OK to sell a cocktail called "The Gandalf" ?[/p][/quote]Yes it is because of 2 reasons. 1/ Gandalf is a surname and there is no copy rights on surnames. 2/ Gandalf is from Norse Myth meaning wan waving wizzard.[/p][/quote]I'll be sure to let my neighbours Mr Baggins, Mr Gamgee & Mr Orc know. Huffter

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