No-go zone in city parks after sex attack
THEY are the jewels in
Southampton's crown.
Look at a map and what stands
out are the five historic parks in
the heart of the city centre.
The parks - Watts, East,
Palmerston, Houndwell and
Hoglands - are prized as a green
oasis away from the hustle and bustle
of city life.
Yet women are now being told not
to walk alone through them after a
daylight sex attack on a teenager.
Detectives issued the warning as
they stepped up the hunt to find the
man who grabbed the 19-year-old as
she walked home from a city centre
nightclub through Palmerston
Park. It is not the first time that
safety fears have been raised over
the parks.
Two and a half years ago council
and police chiefs appealed for people
to keep out after more than 100
attacks including a rape, assaults
and muggings in the space of ten
months.
Detective Inspector Linda
Howard,who is leading the current
investigation, said: "We do not
want to alarm people but we would
urge women not to
make themselves vulnerable
and not to
walk alone through
the parks during the
night time or early
hours when it is
quiet.
See today's Daily Echo for the full story.
"We want to stress
that we are doing
everything we can,
including vast
inquiries in the area
and thorough checks
of CCTV, to catch this
person responsible."
However the police warning has
drawn criticism.
Chairman of Southampton
Commons and Parks Protection
Society and vice chairman of City
of Southampton Society, Arthur
Jeffery, said: "To say that women
should not walk through the parks
alone is a bold statement and it is a
tragedy if the police believe it.
"Of course a sex attack is terrible
but this is a rare incident. The
bushes are cut back and there is
good lighting in the park. It would
be a great shame if young women
could not enjoy the beautiful greenery
we get in the city.
"This reaction is political correctness
gone mad."
Councillor for the city centre
Bargate ward, Sarah Bogle, echoed
those sentiments and said: "I think
it is sensible advice for men and
women not to walk through the
park at night.
"But as someone who regularly
walks through the park during the
day I would say it would be a shame
if young women felt they could no
longer do this."
Police have revealed the victim of
the latest attack had spent the
night at the Soul Cellar in West
Marlands Road, close to the Civic
Centre, and was walking through
Palmerston Park when she was
grabbed.
About half way across the park
the attacker pulled her to the
ground and seriously sexually
assaulted her. The ordeal only
stopped when a passer-by, who was
walking to a shop, heard her
screams and intervened. The
attacker ran off. A team of 20 detectives
are working on the investigation
being run by Shirley CID.
Officers are particularly keen to
speak to anyone who saw a man
acting suspiciously in the area
between 5.30am and 6.30am on
Monday. They have said it is too
early to say whether the attack,
which happened around 6am on
Bank Holiday Monday, is being
linked to previous sex attacks in
the area and neighbouring parks.
The man is known to have run off
in the direction of Above Bar
Street while the girl, a student in
the city, was left suffering shock
and minor injuries.
Anyone with information is
asked to contact the Operation
Hartland team at Shirley CID on
0845 045 4545 or the anonymous
Crimestoppers hotline on 0800 555
111.
3:03pm Wednesday 7th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: hulla, baloo on 9:03am Wed 7 May 08
What is this City, and country, coming to, for there to be areas which are classed as a no-go.
Should never be the case.
What is this City, and country, coming to, for there to be areas which are classed as a no-go.
Should never be the case.
Posted by: Hey, Southampton on 9:03am Wed 7 May 08
Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic
Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic
Posted by: Here, There on 9:09am Wed 7 May 08
Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!!
Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!!
The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger.
If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!!
Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!!
The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger.
If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
Posted by: George on 9:15am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Hey[/bold] wrote:
Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where
you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a
park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one
copper) Its pathetic[/quote] 100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult
Hey wrote:
Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where
you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a
park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one
copper) Its pathetic
100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult
Posted by: Ciaran on 9:18am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote:
Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am?
It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
Here wrote:
Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am?
It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
Posted by: worried by headlines, Southampton on 9:21am Wed 7 May 08
The headline and the advice from the DI are very different. Who says the parks are 'no go zones'? Unless the full story is any different, the police are giving measured advice that applies in all situations. The headline is designed to create fear.
The headline and the advice from the DI are very different. Who says the parks are 'no go zones'? Unless the full story is any different, the police are giving measured advice that applies in all situations. The headline is designed to create fear.
Posted by: Christoff on 9:27am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.[/quote] it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head.
Just don't go through parks on your own.
I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk.
Ciaran wrote:
Here wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head.
Just don't go through parks on your own.
I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk.
Posted by: Ciaran on 9:33am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.[/quote] it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk. [/quote] But this wasn't at night.
It was daylight - the full story in the paper says it happened at 6am.
Christoff wrote:
Ciaran wrote: Here wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk.
But this wasn't at night.
It was daylight - the full story in the paper says it happened at 6am.
Posted by: Ian, Central on 10:15am Wed 7 May 08
This is bad my girlfriend avoids and walks around these central parks in the early hours and dusk to get to and from the St Marys area from central town and has done for years. I do not walk through the parks on my own as a male unless the parks are busy. I was asalted when younger in a central park and even yesterday while lying down on the common 4 your lads looking for trouble hassled three girls next to me. It is so sad that we cannot enjoy our open spaces. I expect the supporters of the city parks have large private gardens to spend their free time in unlike most people in the city, and so do not ever see what goes on in the city parks.
This is bad my girlfriend avoids and walks around these central parks in the early hours and dusk to get to and from the St Marys area from central town and has done for years. I do not walk through the parks on my own as a male unless the parks are busy. I was asalted when younger in a central park and even yesterday while lying down on the common 4 your lads looking for trouble hassled three girls next to me. It is so sad that we cannot enjoy our open spaces. I expect the supporters of the city parks have large private gardens to spend their free time in unlike most people in the city, and so do not ever see what goes on in the city parks.
Posted by: Christoff on 10:15am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.[/quote] it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk. [/quote] But this wasn't at night. It was daylight - the full story in the paper says it happened at 6am.[/quote] which supports my point...it's risky whatever time of day. Thugs and rapists don't have set working hours
People must be vigilant at all times, not just at night
Ciaran wrote:
Christoff wrote: Ciaran wrote: Here wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk.
But this wasn't at night. It was daylight - the full story in the paper says it happened at 6am.
which supports my point...it's risky whatever time of day. Thugs and rapists don't have set working hours
People must be vigilant at all times, not just at night
Posted by: Here, There on 10:25am Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.[/quote] Ciaran, you have missed my point completely, we need to get real and realise the dangers that are out there, attacks in parks in the area have been high profile for a number of years now, yet still we hear of women walking through them at an hour when they are all but deserted, we continue to hear of women leaving nightclubs on their own and walking home etc.. it is madness, we have to carry out risk assessments in life, simple really
Ciaran wrote:
Here wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
Ciaran, you have missed my point completely, we need to get real and realise the dangers that are out there, attacks in parks in the area have been high profile for a number of years now, yet still we hear of women walking through them at an hour when they are all but deserted, we continue to hear of women leaving nightclubs on their own and walking home etc.. it is madness, we have to carry out risk assessments in life, simple really
Posted by: truth patrol, soton on 10:32am Wed 7 May 08
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there.
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there.
Posted by: Over here in the real world on 12:20pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Christoff[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Ciaran[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Here[/bold] wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim[/quote] So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.[/quote] it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk. [/quote] Yes she had every right to walk through that park...BUT....so does a young man flashing a load of money and an expensive watch...and likewise if he's mugged he should have expected it just like she should have had common sense not to walk through there on her own.
In the real world we can't all do what we want when we want, and no it shouldn't have to stop us but until you can clean up the streets it will stop the people who think, and lets be honest you'll never clean the streets up totally so get used to it........put a police presence in the parks NOW !
Christoff wrote:
Ciaran wrote: Here wrote: Parks are not a no go area for women during the day !!! Parks are a no go area for women walking home from a night club at 4/5/6 in the morning as day breaks !!! The headline smacks of sensationalism, whether a park or any street in any town in the early hours women are vulnerable, its a shame but it is fact, those most vulnerable need to make provision for the times in which we live, ensure you have enough money for a cab, walk home with friends, the only way to reduce attacks is to remove yourself from danger. If someone has their car stolen because they left their keys in the ignition, you feel sorry for them but they kind of left themselves open to become a victim
So what if she was walking home at 6am? It's still daylight and she had done nothing wrong to warrant being attacked other than walking home. She had every right to be in that park. You can't possibly blame her in any way, shape or form.
it requires common sense, of course she had every right to walk through the park but in this day and age you have to use your head. Just don't go through parks on your own. I am male and I would think twice about walking through a park at night on my own. There are a lot of seriously nasty people out there and it just isn't worth the risk.
Yes she had every right to walk through that park...BUT....so does a young man flashing a load of money and an expensive watch...and likewise if he's mugged he should have expected it just like she should have had common sense not to walk through there on her own.
In the real world we can't all do what we want when we want, and no it shouldn't have to stop us but until you can clean up the streets it will stop the people who think, and lets be honest you'll never clean the streets up totally so get used to it........put a police presence in the parks NOW !
Posted by: Condor Man, Southampton on 1:48pm Wed 7 May 08
Instead of shying away from the parks people should reclaim them en masse. Drive out the sex pests. A woman should, by law, be able to walk anywhere without fear of being attacked. It's a disgrace.
Instead of shying away from the parks people should reclaim them en masse. Drive out the sex pests. A woman should, by law, be able to walk anywhere without fear of being attacked. It's a disgrace.
Posted by: Louise, Marchwood on 2:23pm Wed 7 May 08
I think the police & the Daily Echo have done the right thing by highlighting the very real dangers that face any woman walking by herself at any time of day or night in our parks. The harsh reality is the parks are obviously not a safe place for any lone woman to be. If someone can't walk home with friends then they should make other arrangements. The cost of anyone's safety should not be jeopardised by the cost of a taxi fare home. Mr Arthur Jeffery seems to have missed the point of the article: the police are not saying that women should stay away completely, just to be sensible & walk with friends or a colleague when using the park. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it is just common sense. We are lucky to have these beautiful spaces in our city to enjoy but unfortunatly we must remember that there are some nasty people out there who seek a different form of enjoyment to the vast majority of us.
I think the police & the Daily Echo have done the right thing by highlighting the very real dangers that face any woman walking by herself at any time of day or night in our parks. The harsh reality is the parks are obviously not a safe place for any lone woman to be. If someone can't walk home with friends then they should make other arrangements. The cost of anyone's safety should not be jeopardised by the cost of a taxi fare home. Mr Arthur Jeffery seems to have missed the point of the article: the police are not saying that women should stay away completely, just to be sensible & walk with friends or a colleague when using the park. This has nothing to do with political correctness, it is just common sense. We are lucky to have these beautiful spaces in our city to enjoy but unfortunatly we must remember that there are some nasty people out there who seek a different form of enjoyment to the vast majority of us.
Posted by: Henry's mates mate, Henry Lans on 2:32pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]Posted by: truth patrol, soton on 10:32am today
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there.
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted [/quote]
Plank......Poll tax doesn't exist anymore and the Chief Constable is retiring. Who else do you want to blame instead of the sick pervert that did this?
Posted by: truth patrol, soton on 10:32am today
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there.
why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted
Plank......Poll tax doesn't exist anymore and the Chief Constable is retiring. Who else do you want to blame instead of the sick pervert that did this?
Posted by: Dixon, Dock Gate 4 on 4:04pm Wed 7 May 08
Already the nutters have migrated to alleyways in Eastleigh to avoid the threats by forumites
Already the nutters have migrated to alleyways in Eastleigh to avoid the threats by forumites
Posted by: Henry, the land of henry on 4:07pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Henry's mates mate[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Posted by: truth patrol, soton on 10:32am today why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there. why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted [/quote] Plank......Poll tax doesn't exist anymore and the Chief Constable is retiring. Who else do you want to blame instead of the sick pervert that did this?[/quote] i agree...this blokes a plank. where does he the £160 thing from. what a loser!!!
wat has terrorists got to do with this story anyway.
Henry's mates mate wrote:
Posted by: truth patrol, soton on 10:32am today why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted for failing in their duty. If the chief constable cannot do his job then fire him or her and get another one. We all pay for a service which we are not getting. If someone said terrorists are gathering in hoglands park there would be thousands of police there. why am I paying 160 pounds to the police in poll tax when they are not protecting us. They should be prosecuted
Plank......Poll tax doesn't exist anymore and the Chief Constable is retiring. Who else do you want to blame instead of the sick pervert that did this?
i agree...this blokes a plank. where does he the £160 thing from. what a loser!!!
wat has terrorists got to do with this story anyway.
Posted by: Kerry, Southampton on 4:23pm Wed 7 May 08
Warning women not to venture into the parks alone is not policital correctness![The reaction is policital correctness gone mad]Arthur Jeffery, Vice Chairman.It is a wise warning, as a 28 yr old women who has experienced such an attack, midday in a very public area I totally agree.No matter how far the bushes are cut back or how good the lighting is these attacks still happen, what is so wrong about the police telling women not to put themselves in a vulnerable position where this could happen to them? How would Arthur Jeffery if a female member of his family had been attacked or if Sarah Bogle was attacked herself? I'm sure they would have a different response altogether.
Warning women not to venture into the parks alone is not policital correctness!Arthur Jeffery, Vice Chairman.It is a wise warning, as a 28 yr old women who has experienced such an attack, midday in a very public area I totally agree.No matter how far the bushes are cut back or how good the lighting is these attacks still happen, what is so wrong about the police telling women not to put themselves in a vulnerable position where this could happen to them? How would Arthur Jeffery if a female member of his family had been attacked or if Sarah Bogle was attacked herself? I'm sure they would have a different response altogether.
Posted by: Prince Vultan on 4:46pm Wed 7 May 08
Get the coppers off the mobile money making speed traps and on to the street patrolling.
It would be nice to see more police on the beat instead of milking the motorist in order to pay the Hampshire Police beer fund.
Get the coppers off the mobile money making speed traps and on to the street patrolling.
It would be nice to see more police on the beat instead of milking the motorist in order to pay the Hampshire Police beer fund.
Posted by: James Kelly, Chilworth on 4:54pm Wed 7 May 08
Today, institutions fundamental to the British system of Government are under attack: the public schools, the house of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage, even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society, and it's about time we said 'enough is enough' and saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.
Today, institutions fundamental to the British system of Government are under attack: the public schools, the house of Lords, the Church of England, the holy institution of Marriage, even our magnificent police force are no longer safe from those who would undermine our society, and it's about time we said 'enough is enough' and saw a return to the traditional British values of discipline, obedience, morality and freedom.
Posted by: Keith Oftergrass on 5:30pm Wed 7 May 08
Wow ! That's one about every year - a crime wave !
Isn't everyone getting a little over-reactive here ?
I just hope it doesn't put nubile young women off walking through the parks in summer, such a lovely sight.
Wow ! That's one about every year - a crime wave !
Isn't everyone getting a little over-reactive here ?
I just hope it doesn't put nubile young women off walking through the parks in summer, such a lovely sight.
Posted by: Julian Le Good on 5:41pm Wed 7 May 08
It's a "no brainer" Prince Vultan. You're the chief constable, do you (a) send half a dozen plods out with torches and make a lot of noise in the parks, scare off the rapists and muggers and make it safe for the rest of us, but don't solve any crimes, or (b) put them in vans where they can much on their do-nuts, point cameras at cars, and make stacks of money. (b) wins every time. Council might as well turn the parks in to car parks and make even more money. I'm afraid the parks will remain unsafe until the council and the police start taking the problem a bit more seriously
It's a "no brainer" Prince Vultan. You're the chief constable, do you (a) send half a dozen plods out with torches and make a lot of noise in the parks, scare off the rapists and muggers and make it safe for the rest of us, but don't solve any crimes, or (b) put them in vans where they can much on their do-nuts, point cameras at cars, and make stacks of money. (b) wins every time. Council might as well turn the parks in to car parks and make even more money. I'm afraid the parks will remain unsafe until the council and the police start taking the problem a bit more seriously
Posted by: hmm on 6:36pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Keith Oftergrass[/bold] wrote:
Wow ! That's one about every year - a crime wave ! Isn't everyone getting a little over-reactive here ? I just hope it doesn't put nubile young women off walking through the parks in summer, such a lovely sight. [/quote] Sentences 1 and 2 make some sense.
3 is a bit out of order. Next you will be telling us it is the womans fault for being nubile in the first place. Do ugly people get attacked in daylight or only at night?
F/Tool.
Keith Oftergrass wrote:
Wow ! That's one about every year - a crime wave ! Isn't everyone getting a little over-reactive here ? I just hope it doesn't put nubile young women off walking through the parks in summer, such a lovely sight.
Sentences 1 and 2 make some sense.
3 is a bit out of order. Next you will be telling us it is the womans fault for being nubile in the first place. Do ugly people get attacked in daylight or only at night?
F/Tool.
Posted by: camera man, park on 6:40pm Wed 7 May 08
they should put up cctv there instead of wasting our money make good use of it and protect the public tax payers etc
they should put up cctv there instead of wasting our money make good use of it and protect the public tax payers etc
Posted by: The Star Chamber on 7:05pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]camera man[/bold] wrote:
they should put up cctv there instead of wasting our money make good use of it and protect the public tax payers etc [/quote] Didn't you get the memo? Yesterday we were told that despite having more CCTV per head than anywhere else it doesn't cut crime or catch the scum.
An armed response is more effective and dead rapists tell few tales and don't clog up the criminal justice system.
CCTV with a directional taser might be an option.
camera man wrote:
they should put up cctv there instead of wasting our money make good use of it and protect the public tax payers etc
Didn't you get the memo? Yesterday we were told that despite having more CCTV per head than anywhere else it doesn't cut crime or catch the scum.
An armed response is more effective and dead rapists tell few tales and don't clog up the criminal justice system.
CCTV with a directional taser might be an option.
Posted by: sotonsson, soton on 8:28pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hey[/bold] wrote: Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic[/quote] 100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult[/quote] Why can't there be pcso's on regular patrol throughout each of the parks- or even private security firms carrying out regular patrols etc.Also why not use cctv as used in Bournemouth.
George wrote:
Hey wrote: Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic
100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult
Why can't there be pcso's on regular patrol throughout each of the parks- or even private security firms carrying out regular patrols etc.Also why not use cctv as used in Bournemouth.
Posted by: George on 8:32pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]sotonsson[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]George[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Hey[/bold] wrote: Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic[/quote] 100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult[/quote] Why can't there be pcso's on regular patrol throughout each of the parks- or even private security firms carrying out regular patrols etc.Also why not use cctv as used in Bournemouth.[/quote] I'm unconvinced CCTV would have any real effect, but something as simple as a regular PCSO presence might well do, yeh
sotonsson wrote:
George wrote:
Hey wrote: Oh great ok then... This park isnt like a wild spot in Africa where you're advised not walk about in case Lions rip you to shreds. It's a park full of losers so why not have cctv or police presence (even one copper) Its pathetic
100% agreement here. Seems to me all this country's interested in now is timidly giving up in the face of any adversity. How can a park be a no-go area? Police it you morons, it's not that friggin' difficult
Why can't there be pcso's on regular patrol throughout each of the parks- or even private security firms carrying out regular patrols etc.Also why not use cctv as used in Bournemouth.
I'm unconvinced CCTV would have any real effect, but something as simple as a regular PCSO presence might well do, yeh
Posted by: John, Woolston, Southampton on 9:22pm Wed 7 May 08
Regular patrols I think would be a great idea, not only that, when they find the offenders they should have a punishment to fit the crime. Other countries would cut a blokes bits of if he was convicted of rape. Why not do that here? Okay, some might say "what about human rights?" but my response would be "what about the rights of the person the crime was committed against"? I have a couple of friends that have been raped, they never recovered from it emotionally. I really wish the victim of this attack my best regards, and I hope the twisted pervert gets caught and pays for his crime.
Regular patrols I think would be a great idea, not only that, when they find the offenders they should have a punishment to fit the crime. Other countries would cut a blokes bits of if he was convicted of rape. Why not do that here? Okay, some might say "what about human rights?" but my response would be "what about the rights of the person the crime was committed against"? I have a couple of friends that have been raped, they never recovered from it emotionally. I really wish the victim of this attack my best regards, and I hope the twisted pervert gets caught and pays for his crime.
Posted by: Calvin, Southampton on 1:06am Thu 8 May 08
These attacks are becoming stupid.
Why haven't the council installed CCTV cameras yet.
Drug dealing, rape, mugging and assualts happen down that park a lot, yet they haven't added CCTV cameras..
I just don't understand.
These attacks will only just increase because of the society we live in!
These attacks are becoming stupid.
Why haven't the council installed CCTV cameras yet.
Drug dealing, rape, mugging and assualts happen down that park a lot, yet they haven't added CCTV cameras..
I just don't understand.
These attacks will only just increase because of the society we live in!
Posted by: st marys man, town on 6:53am Thu 8 May 08
Why they just build on the parks that would eliminate the problem. Charge rent for the flats so we can pay more for the police to patrol the area ????????????
Why they just build on the parks that would eliminate the problem. Charge rent for the flats so we can pay more for the police to patrol the area ????????????
Posted by: southampton resident on 8:04am Thu 8 May 08
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect.
I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out.
I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days.
Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect.
I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out.
I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days.
Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.
Posted by: simmo, soton on 8:14am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]southampton resident[/bold] wrote:
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect. I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out. I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days. Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.[/quote] dont think i could have put it better myself. also if the guy caught the rapist and give him a hiding he probably would end up in court.....so dont get involved i say....because the honest citizen leagally here dosent stand a chance now in this country.
southampton resident wrote:
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect. I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out. I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days. Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.
dont think i could have put it better myself. also if the guy caught the rapist and give him a hiding he probably would end up in court.....so dont get involved i say....because the honest citizen leagally here dosent stand a chance now in this country.
Posted by: Sue, Southampton on 8:59am Thu 8 May 08
It is just ludicrous to walk through the parks or common on your own. Common sense should tell you that you are safer walking on the streets or get a taxi. Decent citizens have no police protection during the day. The only time I see any police is on match day. I wish we had a decent mayor who would tackle crime and have a zero approach to all crime.
I would never walk through the parks on my own at any time of day. It is self preservation. Each person is responsible for their own safety.
It is just ludicrous to walk through the parks or common on your own. Common sense should tell you that you are safer walking on the streets or get a taxi. Decent citizens have no police protection during the day. The only time I see any police is on match day. I wish we had a decent mayor who would tackle crime and have a zero approach to all crime.
I would never walk through the parks on my own at any time of day. It is self preservation. Each person is responsible for their own safety.
Posted by: CCTV on 9:05am Thu 8 May 08
Why not install some proper lighting, CCTV cameras and have some bobbies on bikes go down there.
Is it really that hard?
Why not install some proper lighting, CCTV cameras and have some bobbies on bikes go down there.
Is it really that hard?
Posted by: simmo, town on 9:35am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]CCTV[/bold] wrote:
Why not install some proper lighting, CCTV cameras and have some bobbies on bikes go down there. Is it really that hard?[/quote] was the point of cctv....when some hoody is on it......wake up to the real world. police or nothing aint it.............but there all too bust catching the speeding motorist or a drink driver....easy catch for promotion why bother doing some proper community work thers no reward in it on their cv is there.
CCTV wrote:
Why not install some proper lighting, CCTV cameras and have some bobbies on bikes go down there. Is it really that hard?
was the point of cctv....when some hoody is on it......wake up to the real world. police or nothing aint it.............but there all too bust catching the speeding motorist or a drink driver....easy catch for promotion why bother doing some proper community work thers no reward in it on their cv is there.
Posted by: Concerned parent, near southampton on 5:44pm Thu 8 May 08
Ok, so the police say nothing and someone else gets attacked. Who will you blame for not making the risks known!!!!![bold]bold[/bold]
Ok, so the police say nothing and someone else gets attacked. Who will you blame for not making the risks known!!!!!
Posted by: Kazza, Soton on 10:23pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]southampton resident[/bold] wrote:
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect. I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out. I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days. Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.[/quote] Well said!!! And we should be allowed to fly our Union Jack!! (Just a thought)!!
southampton resident wrote:
Southampton is a disgusting little hole. I for one will be glad when I can sell up and leave, sometime this summer I expect. I have lived in many countries in my life time, unfortunately England is the worst! However this is to be expected with a pathetic government who cares nothing for the average hard working English person, instead favouring the layabout, foreigner and other undesirables whom are neither wanted or useful to this country. Unfortunately people are afraid of speaking out as its not politically correct to do so. Well I am not politically correct and will speak out. I want this country returned to the English, where English men and women can walk safely without fear, just like the old days. Its time all decent English people made a stand for their rights, including the right to walk safely in a park.
Well said!!! And we should be allowed to fly our Union Jack!! (Just a thought)!!
Posted by: King Mush, Woolston on 1:57am Fri 9 May 08
CCTV? lol Most cameras would be obscured by foliage in summer plus the usual hoody cop-out.
Single girls staggering home in darkness or even at 6am is 'asking for it'
Sorry - but true. Sheer stupidity in this day and age but booze and/or drugs will overtake any sanity.
I've often seen silly scantily dressed girls walking home at all hours of the night.
Unbelievable.
CCTV? lol Most cameras would be obscured by foliage in summer plus the usual hoody cop-out.
Single girls staggering home in darkness or even at 6am is 'asking for it'
Sorry - but true. Sheer stupidity in this day and age but booze and/or drugs will overtake any sanity.
I've often seen silly scantily dressed girls walking home at all hours of the night.
Unbelievable.
Posted by: Ridiculous. on 1:24am Mon 12 May 08
Dear "King Mush".
No girl at all is ever 'asking' to be attacked or raped.
If the girl in question was 'scantily dressed' or wearing a pile of clothes, would it really make a difference to whether she was 'asking for it' or not?
Your reply is absolutely ridiculous.
Spare a thought for the girl who's been put through this ordeal. It's nobodies fault but the disgusting man who attacked her.
If, say, a female relative of yours was walking home at 6/7am, and was (god forbid) attacked, would you condemn them and say it was their fault?
How dare you even imply that this girl was 'asking for it'.
Dear "King Mush".
No girl at all is ever 'asking' to be attacked or raped.
If the girl in question was 'scantily dressed' or wearing a pile of clothes, would it really make a difference to whether she was 'asking for it' or not?
Your reply is absolutely ridiculous.
Spare a thought for the girl who's been put through this ordeal. It's nobodies fault but the disgusting man who attacked her.
If, say, a female relative of yours was walking home at 6/7am, and was (god forbid) attacked, would you condemn them and say it was their fault?
How dare you even imply that this girl was 'asking for it'.
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