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Coffee wars break out over claims of ‘illegal sampling’ by tiny cafe (From Daily Echo)
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Coffee wars break out in Southampton between Costa and Power Gourmet
4:26pm Friday 18th May 2012 in Food News
By Jon Reeve, Education Reporter
WHEN cafe owner Bobby Ladher decided to offer free samples, he had no idea it would provoke threats from a franchise holder of one of the world’s biggest multi-national coffee shop chains.
But the Southampton businessman was left stunned when the boss of the neighbouring Costa offered to “go to war” with his small organic outlet.
And within an hour of staff at Power Gourmet, near the Bargate in High Street, handing out small smoothie samples to passers-by, Mr Ladher received an email from the shop next door threatening to report his cafe to the authorities.
Before he had a chance to respond, Robin Arkle, managing director of a string of Costa franchises that includes the High Street branch, sent another message saying he had informed Southampton City Council of the cafe’s “illegal sampling”.
In his second email, Mr Arkle, who accused Power Gourmet of resorting to “aggressive marketing tactics”, said: “If you wish to go to war, just let me know. Costa has very deep pockets.”
He added he would now “vigorously” object to the cafe’s application to put chairs and tables outside.
Stunned Mr Ladher, 32, who opened his business a month ago and said he had not realised sampling was breaching any bylaws, but had stopped immediately once told to by the council.
He said: “I was gobsmacked. I’ve never heard anything like it.
“We feel quite bullied. This is not the done thing from a worldwide chain.
“We’d had a really nice email before wishing us well, and surely a friendly chat would have been the right way forward?”
Costa, which boasts more than 1,300 branches in the UK and another 600 around the world, said it has “no direct control” over franchise owners, but does expect them “to maintain high standards in all aspects of operating their franchise business”.
In a statement, the firm said: “This type of behaviour is not something we condone.
“We value independent coffee shops in our industry as they have the same mantra as us, to deliver a great coffee experience. We regret that this incident has occurred.”
Mr Arkle said Power Gourmet has continued to flout the rules, and claimed its staff have tried to poach Costa customers, telling them its products are “rubbish and full of pesticides”.
He said he had no problem with competition, but had become fed up with what he described as Power Gourmet’s rule breaking.
He said: “I’m not going to get into any further dialogue with them. If they obey council guidelines I don’t mind what they do.”
Southampton City Council confirmed it spoke to Power Gourmet about sampling outside its cafe, but said it was unlikely to take any formal action against the business because it had so swiftly complied with requests.
Comments(115)
Smartiepants
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4:45pm Fri 18 May 12
OSPREYSAINT
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4:52pm Fri 18 May 12
Nick Tann
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4:54pm Fri 18 May 12
dreadful.....
media8ter
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4:57pm Fri 18 May 12
Son of Fred
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5:00pm Fri 18 May 12
100%HANTSBOY
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5:02pm Fri 18 May 12
I'll stick to taking my flask to work with my coffee made to my personal liking rather than paying £2-3
Nick Tann
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5:02pm Fri 18 May 12
media8ter wrote:Handing out free samples is not illegal.....
Competition is one thing, gaining an advantage by using illegal methods is something entirely different.
cantthinkofone
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5:03pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmet
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5:13pm Fri 18 May 12
Just to say thank you all for your support - please do visit our website: http://www.powergour
met.co.uk or come in for your buy one get one free organic coffee voucher, so we can say thank you for supporting us and our local growers, farmers, and partners.
We really appreciate the local community vouching for us.
We are at 8 High Street in Southampton city centre, opposite Argos.
PowerGourmet
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5:15pm Fri 18 May 12
uk
WECOMING4U
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5:17pm Fri 18 May 12
Stick to your guns Power Gourmet that is where I be going!
SotonLad
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5:17pm Fri 18 May 12
SotonLad
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5:24pm Fri 18 May 12
I believe it is @powerorganic
Good lucks guys, destroy Costa
a_warren
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5:25pm Fri 18 May 12
Power Gourmet's twitter account is @OrganicDeliCafe.
Thanks for all the support!
randomguy91
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5:28pm Fri 18 May 12
bradshaw22
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5:31pm Fri 18 May 12
bradshaw22
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5:33pm Fri 18 May 12
gourmet.co.uk!
Mushty
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5:40pm Fri 18 May 12
Frank28
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5:40pm Fri 18 May 12
SotonLad
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5:57pm Fri 18 May 12
bradshaw22 wrote:Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power
gourmet.co.uk!
Dusty
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6:06pm Fri 18 May 12
Dusty
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6:13pm Fri 18 May 12
If i was them i would of shut my mouth and reported them on the quiet. Thinking they own the high Street got the better of him though
THEKILLER
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6:19pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmetDelicafe
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6:36pm Fri 18 May 12
Dusty wrote:Hey hi, yes we have a facebook page, connect with us on facebook.com/organic
Get a facebook page going, next time i am in southampton, i will visit and have a coffee. Dont do this as a rule but i will make an exception this time.
delicafe
PowerGourmetDelicafe
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6:38pm Fri 18 May 12
SotonLad wrote:The main one is @organicdelicafe, just less than 3K followers.
bradshaw22 wrote: No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power gourmet.co.uk!Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
Power_Gourmet
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6:42pm Fri 18 May 12
SotonLad wrote:Hi everyone. Just to let you know, we have just shut down the old outdated @PowerOrganic account. If you wish to follow us on Twitter please use @OrganicDeliCafe or visit http://www.twitter.c
bradshaw22 wrote:Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power
gourmet.co.uk!
om/organicdelicafe
Thanks again for your support,
The Power Gourmet Team
Dusty
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6:43pm Fri 18 May 12
Dusty
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6:44pm Fri 18 May 12
Dusty
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6:47pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmetDelicafe
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6:49pm Fri 18 May 12
Dusty wrote:facebook.com/organic
Page not found :o/
delicafe
userds5050
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6:50pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmetDelicafe
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6:51pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmetDelicafe wrote:at the end of facebook.com just put "/organicdelicafe" should work..
Dusty wrote: Page not found :o/facebook.com/organic delicafe
PowerGourmetDelicafe
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6:52pm Fri 18 May 12
userds5050 wrote:powergourmet.co.uk
What was the website again?
lisa_wild69
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6:56pm Fri 18 May 12
PowerGourmetDelicafe wrote:Power Gourmet - The other day one member of your staff had got some school kids shouting at people walking down the high street to come into your shop and try your products.
SotonLad wrote:The main one is @organicdelicafe, just less than 3K followers.
bradshaw22 wrote: No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power gourmet.co.uk!Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
When I didn't go in as yes, I wanted a Costa (my choice) I was shouted at and obscenities thrown my way - thanks for that!
To be honest, what IDIOT decided to put your business next to a leading brand anyway? First rule of business: Location Location Location!
I don't like to see businesses loose out - but stop the pettiness and frankly desperation and get on with healthy competition.
Oh, and no more insults when I'm on my break at work please!!!
For pity sake
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7:18pm Fri 18 May 12
it's Costa every time for me.
As for Starbucks, I refuse to drink gnat's piddle.
bradshaw22
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7:19pm Fri 18 May 12
lisa_wild69 wrote:Being in Southampton a while, I believe that location next to Costa was always a coffee shop, maybe not Power Gourmet, I am all for independant and I think bullying by chain stores, dicatating in our town what laws the Council should enforce is unacceptable. Im certainly not going into Costa again.... I guess I can understand a small business wanting to be heard next to a bully chain .... good on you Power Gourmet, stand up... and I think your idea is great and different...we dont all have to be sheep. Thank you for being a much needed indpendant in Southampton High Street, im tired of all the High Streets looking the same.. Costa Stop bullying them.. we know you have deep pockets!!
PowerGourmetDelicafe wrote:Power Gourmet - The other day one member of your staff had got some school kids shouting at people walking down the high street to come into your shop and try your products. When I didn't go in as yes, I wanted a Costa (my choice) I was shouted at and obscenities thrown my way - thanks for that! To be honest, what IDIOT decided to put your business next to a leading brand anyway? First rule of business: Location Location Location! I don't like to see businesses loose out - but stop the pettiness and frankly desperation and get on with healthy competition. Oh, and no more insults when I'm on my break at work please!!!SotonLad wrote:The main one is @organicdelicafe, just less than 3K followers.bradshaw22 wrote: No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power gourmet.co.uk!Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
good-gosh
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7:21pm Fri 18 May 12
Son of Fred wrote:I had to chuckle at this. And it’s an accurate summary, all in just 5 words.
Storm in a tea-cup
ottostrasser
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7:23pm Fri 18 May 12
TimTam
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7:55pm Fri 18 May 12
Linesman
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8:01pm Fri 18 May 12
TimTam wrote:Costa few customers.
Costa lot!
Nick Tann
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8:08pm Fri 18 May 12
KLOUD9
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8:36pm Fri 18 May 12
KLOUD9
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8:41pm Fri 18 May 12
Nick Tann wrote:Coffee is quite a sprayed crop, and so normal coffee has pesticides why organic is the way to go... !
I prefer my own coffee. Freshly roasted.
f2097
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8:58pm Fri 18 May 12
good-gosh
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9:04pm Fri 18 May 12
BEAN23
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9:09pm Fri 18 May 12
chrisbutt1982
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9:51pm Fri 18 May 12
Stubs
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11:03pm Fri 18 May 12
stepup
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11:16pm Fri 18 May 12
Stubs wrote:Yes COSTA - "COST A LOT", bully boys! Leave Power Gourmet alone..
I think these coffee places are such a rip off. Why spend all that money when you can buy a jar of coffee in Tesco which will last for about 2 months. Costa know how to charge allright. Costa a flaming lot.
stepup
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11:20pm Fri 18 May 12
BillyTheKid
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3:56am Sat 19 May 12
CHARLIE TAYLOR
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7:16am Sat 19 May 12
PowerGourmet wrote:next door to costa
Hi guys! Power Gourmet here.
Just to say thank you all for your support - please do visit our website: http://www.powergour
met.co.uk or come in for your buy one get one free organic coffee voucher, so we can say thank you for supporting us and our local growers, farmers, and partners.
We really appreciate the local community vouching for us.
We are at 8 High Street in Southampton city centre, opposite Argos.
Northamboy
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7:40am Sat 19 May 12
Nod
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7:59am Sat 19 May 12
bigfella777
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9:43am Sat 19 May 12
As for power gourmet it looks like some sort of sports supplement shop and the colours make me want to stay well away from the place,hideous.
What is wrong with a good old greasy spoon like we used to have,tea or coffee,cup or mug,we dont need Mega grandissimaximo skinny mocca locca ram a lam a ding dong decafs we ust want a cheap hot drink.
mercrocker
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9:56am Sat 19 May 12
Bagamn
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10:14am Sat 19 May 12
Bagamn
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10:14am Sat 19 May 12
pod
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10:37am Sat 19 May 12
Bagamn wrote:I was not allowed to go in there, but I know my older sister used to sneak in, I have always regretted not being brave enough to do the same.
Does anyone remember the Checkpoint at the Bargate? That was the place to be in the fifties and the sixties. We didn't get ripped off for some fancy names. You got frothy coffee or tea. Oh Hum, great days.
Also agree with other posts, if I do drink coffee out, I always look for the greasy spoon type cafe, much better value.
remember when I was still watching corrie, a customer came in and asked Vera what type of coffee they had, she replied 'two' - cup or mug!!
PrincessPea
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12:20pm Sat 19 May 12
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
PrincessPea
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12:24pm Sat 19 May 12
Bagamn wrote:You didn't get ripped off because it's was 60 years ago
Does anyone remember the Checkpoint at the Bargate? That was the place to be in the fifties and the sixties. We didn't get ripped off for some fancy names. You got frothy coffee or tea. Oh Hum, great days.
cityboy74
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1:03pm Sat 19 May 12
BillyTheKid
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2:00pm Sat 19 May 12
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
rich the stitch
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2:14pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010
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3:11pm Sat 19 May 12
Although he was standing in his own doorway and not on the street, not breaching any by-law?
Georgem
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3:29pm Sat 19 May 12
OSPREYSAINT wrote:I'm sure they're devastated that someone who never went there, still won't be going there. Power to the people!
Costa have lost my custom, they never actually ever had it, but they definitely won't get it now....
Georgem
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3:30pm Sat 19 May 12
Georgem
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3:30pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:What's expresso? Is it anything like espresso?
Power Gourmet were offering samples of Expresso (if I heard correctly) when I walked past several days ago.
Although he was standing in his own doorway and not on the street, not breaching any by-law?
IronLady2010
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3:38pm Sat 19 May 12
Georgem wrote:Well spotted ;-) x
IronLady2010 wrote:What's expresso? Is it anything like espresso?
Power Gourmet were offering samples of Expresso (if I heard correctly) when I walked past several days ago.
Although he was standing in his own doorway and not on the street, not breaching any by-law?
flashhart2000
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3:54pm Sat 19 May 12
randomguy91
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4:06pm Sat 19 May 12
Nod wrote:this comment may have some materialistic truth to it, however, with the cotton wool nation as it is at the moment, and everything being steralised, everybody is now losing their immune system strength, did you drink water from the hose as a child? do you swim in the sea? would you pick a blackberry and eat it whilst walking through the countryside? organic has upto 60% more nutrients and anti-oxidants than standard foods, rock on for organic, why go to costa and sip on residues of potentially harmful pesticide and herbicide chemicals?? POWER ARMY!!!!!
I can not understand the organic movement. The point of pesticides are to remove things like animal faeces, urine and to make it safer for human consumption. Why go back to the days where we literally eat $#!+.
IronLady2010
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4:09pm Sat 19 May 12
randomguy91 wrote:I accept your point, but personally wouldn't visit either venue. The High Street Cafe is a short walk away.
Nod wrote:this comment may have some materialistic truth to it, however, with the cotton wool nation as it is at the moment, and everything being steralised, everybody is now losing their immune system strength, did you drink water from the hose as a child? do you swim in the sea? would you pick a blackberry and eat it whilst walking through the countryside? organic has upto 60% more nutrients and anti-oxidants than standard foods, rock on for organic, why go to costa and sip on residues of potentially harmful pesticide and herbicide chemicals?? POWER ARMY!!!!!
I can not understand the organic movement. The point of pesticides are to remove things like animal faeces, urine and to make it safer for human consumption. Why go back to the days where we literally eat $#!+.
Just adding a third option ;-)
randomguy91
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4:18pm Sat 19 May 12
PrincessPea
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4:41pm Sat 19 May 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much!
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do.
I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock.
I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.
rich the stitch
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4:53pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010
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5:00pm Sat 19 May 12
Both parties have to work next to each other, learn to get along or you'll end up focusing your energy on negative issues rather than improving your own business. Both of you are currently at the last of my list as in your own ways, you're both as bad as each other. Tit for Tat and all that!
I wish both businesses the very best as employers in our City.
cliffwalker
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5:17pm Sat 19 May 12
lisa_wild69 wrote:The premises next door to Costa, now occupied by Power Gourmet, was a cafe where I was a customer long before Costa set up in direct competition. I've not tried this incarnation of Costa but if it's similar to others I have tried at airports long ago it won't get my custom. Only my preference, of course, but I don't like Costa's product or prices.
PowerGourmetDelicafe wrote:Power Gourmet - The other day one member of your staff had got some school kids shouting at people walking down the high street to come into your shop and try your products.
SotonLad wrote:The main one is @organicdelicafe, just less than 3K followers.
bradshaw22 wrote: No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power gourmet.co.uk!Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
When I didn't go in as yes, I wanted a Costa (my choice) I was shouted at and obscenities thrown my way - thanks for that!
To be honest, what IDIOT decided to put your business next to a leading brand anyway? First rule of business: Location Location Location!
I don't like to see businesses loose out - but stop the pettiness and frankly desperation and get on with healthy competition.
Oh, and no more insults when I'm on my break at work please!!!
IronLady2010
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5:30pm Sat 19 May 12
cliffwalker wrote:Whilst you don't like them, lots of others do as they were extremely busy this lunchtime, when I walked past.
lisa_wild69 wrote:The premises next door to Costa, now occupied by Power Gourmet, was a cafe where I was a customer long before Costa set up in direct competition. I've not tried this incarnation of Costa but if it's similar to others I have tried at airports long ago it won't get my custom. Only my preference, of course, but I don't like Costa's product or prices.
PowerGourmetDelicafe wrote:Power Gourmet - The other day one member of your staff had got some school kids shouting at people walking down the high street to come into your shop and try your products.
SotonLad wrote:The main one is @organicdelicafe, just less than 3K followers.
bradshaw22 wrote: No its not "I believe it is @powerorganic" its @organicdelicafe! I found it on their website....www.power gourmet.co.uk!Both seem to work for the Soton coffee shop!
When I didn't go in as yes, I wanted a Costa (my choice) I was shouted at and obscenities thrown my way - thanks for that!
To be honest, what IDIOT decided to put your business next to a leading brand anyway? First rule of business: Location Location Location!
I don't like to see businesses loose out - but stop the pettiness and frankly desperation and get on with healthy competition.
Oh, and no more insults when I'm on my break at work please!!!
The power of choice is a great thing!
I don't do Organic stuff, but that's my choice and currently I am allowed to choose between Organic and Non-Organic.
Good luck to both these businesses.
IronLady2010
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5:38pm Sat 19 May 12
met.co.uk/what-is-or
ganic/
What is Organic, and what are the benefits? They can't even fill out the bloomin page with content. I was interested!
IronLady2010
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5:46pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:So, I click on the next page and get this statement' Power Gourmet is Southampton’s first organic cafe to be awarded the Gold ood for Life '
http://www.powergour
met.co.uk/what-is-or
ganic/
What is Organic, and what are the benefits? They can't even fill out the bloomin page with content. I was interested!
Missed an F off food. Come on guys, you're a small business taking on a chain, attention to detail does matter ;-)
Good luck x
BillyTheKid
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5:57pm Sat 19 May 12
PrincessPea wrote:You arrogant, petulant, self-centered, pompous, opinionated airhead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much!
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do.
I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock.
I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.
You did not appear to understand what I had written, so I spelled it out for you.
What is "spare" money ? Is that leftover money, money you don't need ?
Like most poorly-educated nitwits, you make wild, groundless assumptions. But no, I don't waste money on £4.00 cups of coffee, and, although I don't confine my purchasing solely to essentials, I certainly don't waste it on pointless luxuries. I think you'll find most normal people think that way.
You may be nearly fifty years old, but mentally you seem to exhibit the intellect and maturity of a teenager.
IronLady2010
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5:59pm Sat 19 May 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Bit harsh! x
PrincessPea wrote:You arrogant, petulant, self-centered, pompous, opinionated airhead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much!
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do.
I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock.
I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.
You did not appear to understand what I had written, so I spelled it out for you.
What is "spare" money ? Is that leftover money, money you don't need ?
Like most poorly-educated nitwits, you make wild, groundless assumptions. But no, I don't waste money on £4.00 cups of coffee, and, although I don't confine my purchasing solely to essentials, I certainly don't waste it on pointless luxuries. I think you'll find most normal people think that way.
You may be nearly fifty years old, but mentally you seem to exhibit the intellect and maturity of a teenager.
rich the stitch
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6:54pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:'you make wild groundless assumptions' what like 'I bet you don't give money to charity'. Think before you write, otherwise you can make yourself look to be a bit of a prat.
BillyTheKid wrote:Bit harsh! x
PrincessPea wrote:You arrogant, petulant, self-centered, pompous, opinionated airhead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much!
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do.
I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock.
I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.
You did not appear to understand what I had written, so I spelled it out for you.
What is "spare" money ? Is that leftover money, money you don't need ?
Like most poorly-educated nitwits, you make wild, groundless assumptions. But no, I don't waste money on £4.00 cups of coffee, and, although I don't confine my purchasing solely to essentials, I certainly don't waste it on pointless luxuries. I think you'll find most normal people think that way.
You may be nearly fifty years old, but mentally you seem to exhibit the intellect and maturity of a teenager.
Vonnie
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6:59pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:When, in a debate, or on a comments page, a person resorts to personal insults and is not commenting on the subject in hand, they have lost their argument.
BillyTheKid wrote:Bit harsh! xPrincessPea wrote:You arrogant, petulant, self-centered, pompous, opinionated airhead. You did not appear to understand what I had written, so I spelled it out for you. What is "spare" money ? Is that leftover money, money you don't need ? Like most poorly-educated nitwits, you make wild, groundless assumptions. But no, I don't waste money on £4.00 cups of coffee, and, although I don't confine my purchasing solely to essentials, I certainly don't waste it on pointless luxuries. I think you'll find most normal people think that way. You may be nearly fifty years old, but mentally you seem to exhibit the intellect and maturity of a teenager.BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much! It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do. I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock. I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying ! These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement. My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it. By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ? And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.BillyTheKid wrote: £2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?! For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh! Instant coffee tastes like crap!
IronLady2010
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7:07pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010
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7:14pm Sat 19 May 12
My issue is WHO went to The Echo, to score cheap publicity. One could argue Costa were being Law abiding by reporting a breach of By-Laws. They're both as bad as each other.
Shake hands and move on!
Good luck to you both and get over this stupid, pathetic issue.
IronLady2010
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7:26pm Sat 19 May 12
WHAT IS ORGANIC, AND WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS?
CONTENT NEEDED.
As a Business owner, heads would be rolling right now for such silly errors after going to the media.
I may also suggest, you involve more staff in the photo. Some of us are also interested in what a local Company is doing for jobs etc.
Costa for example, with more than one outlet provide local jobs etc.
BillyTheKid
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7:39pm Sat 19 May 12
rich the stitch wrote:I did think before I wrote.
IronLady2010 wrote:'you make wild groundless assumptions' what like 'I bet you don't give money to charity'. Think before you write, otherwise you can make yourself look to be a bit of a prat.
BillyTheKid wrote:Bit harsh! x
PrincessPea wrote:You arrogant, petulant, self-centered, pompous, opinionated airhead.
BillyTheKid wrote:Little girl?! I'm in my 40's thank you very much!
PrincessPea wrote:Oh dear, what a sad little girl who can't understand what the grown-ups are saying !
BillyTheKid wrote:What a bloody stupid comment. How has this story got anything to do with charities?!
£2-3.00 for a cup of coffee ? You can get a whole bl oody jar of it in Sainbury's for that money. And I bet none of you donate to any charities !
For you information I would happily spend £4 on a coffee as a treat (Starbucks as costa is crap) and yes I also donate to various charities, shocking huh!
Instant coffee tastes like crap!
These fashionable places, whether it's clothes, curry or coffee always charge way too much money because, as they say, the market will stand it. In other words, mugs like you will waste your money on it for the sake of a lifestyle statement.
My second point was to emphasise the first by suggesting, quite arrogantly I suppose, that I thought that people's priorities were wrong if they felt able to waste money in this way. I implied that donating to charity was a more honourable way of shedding excess cash if you have it.
By the way....how do you know what cra p tastes like ? Do you cut it up with a knife and fork, or use a big spoon ?
And next time you spend £4.00 on a cup of coffee, think of the hundreds of children, somewhere in the world, who will die that night for want of one cup of water.
It is not a waste of money I I can afford it and enjoy it, which I do.
I suppose you give all you're spare money to charity do you and don't buy anything that isn't completely essential. What a load of old bullcock.
I earn my money and will spend it on exactly what I want thank you.
You did not appear to understand what I had written, so I spelled it out for you.
What is "spare" money ? Is that leftover money, money you don't need ?
Like most poorly-educated nitwits, you make wild, groundless assumptions. But no, I don't waste money on £4.00 cups of coffee, and, although I don't confine my purchasing solely to essentials, I certainly don't waste it on pointless luxuries. I think you'll find most normal people think that way.
You may be nearly fifty years old, but mentally you seem to exhibit the intellect and maturity of a teenager.
I thought : there are an awful lot of people here wittering on, at great length, about nothing more important than a cup of coffee. Then I thought : I'll make a provocative statement that will nudge their consciences.
To say "I bet" is not making an assumption, but simply stating I would go so far as to wager that a particular possibility might be the case. When you "bet" on a horse, you don't "assume" it is going to win.
So, Rich, think before you write, otherwise you can make yourself look to be a bit of a prat.
IronLady2010
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7:56pm Sat 19 May 12
So, Was it wrong for Costa to report the neighbour to SCC for breach of By-Law and was it wrong for Power Gourmet to go to The Echo?
Are both sides at fault or should we continue to go ahead with talking about fellow members contributions?
IronLady2010
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8:08pm Sat 19 May 12
But, we all have opinions. Never do I drink chocolate!
soton_resident
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8:19pm Sat 19 May 12
Bagamn wrote:Don't remember the tea option - frothy coffee in a wide pyrex type cup or coke with slice of lemon in it is how I recall it.
Does anyone remember the Checkpoint at the Bargate? That was the place to be in the fifties and the sixties. We didn't get ripped off for some fancy names. You got frothy coffee or tea. Oh Hum, great days.
IronLady2010
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8:35pm Sat 19 May 12
This Organic stuff is a novelty, just a marketing ploy.
callumj1991
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9:03pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010
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9:21pm Sat 19 May 12
callumj1991 wrote:It's a Coffee shop!!!! Are people really so obsessed with Coffee shops be it Organic or not that it comes to a dispute?
I am a regular customer of Costa in Southampton! They do the best hot chocolates and I would not go anywhere else! The staff are always friendly and helpful and the manager is lovely! They make me feel welcome when I walk in and I'm disgusted about all these "excellent" comments from the other store! COSTA ALL THE WAY!
Do you realise how stupid it is?
One went to the Council for Legal reasons, the other went to the local rag. Do we really care?
Both venues create jobs.
IronLady2010
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9:42pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:AND both Venues are to blame. One went for the legal route, one went for publicity. The public will decide!
callumj1991 wrote:It's a Coffee shop!!!! Are people really so obsessed with Coffee shops be it Organic or not that it comes to a dispute?
I am a regular customer of Costa in Southampton! They do the best hot chocolates and I would not go anywhere else! The staff are always friendly and helpful and the manager is lovely! They make me feel welcome when I walk in and I'm disgusted about all these "excellent" comments from the other store! COSTA ALL THE WAY!
Do you realise how stupid it is?
One went to the Council for Legal reasons, the other went to the local rag. Do we really care?
Both venues create jobs.
I vote for High Street Cafe or does Tesco still have the machine in there for great coffee.
IronLady2010
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9:58pm Sat 19 May 12
stepup
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10:08pm Sat 19 May 12
chrisbutt1982 wrote:Hey you couldnt get a clearer account.... Costa was out of place that day, but maybe it was just a slip up... they should just go to Power Gourmet and say they handled the situation badly and shake hands.. will they swallow their ego to that.. I wonder...! Your never too big to say sorry...
I was sat outside costa coffee the day this happened. I couldn't believe how the man (supposedly the manager of costa) was taking pictures of the sampling and speaking to them in a very rude manner. Costa that day took their lives into their own hands, I guess ti try and scare Power Gourmet off. I do hope this happens because I will be in there soon enough enjoying a buy one get one free coffee rather than the £3 for one in costa.
IronLady2010
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10:28pm Sat 19 May 12
stepup wrote:We are forgetting one issue here. Who upheld our local By-Law?
chrisbutt1982 wrote:Hey you couldnt get a clearer account.... Costa was out of place that day, but maybe it was just a slip up... they should just go to Power Gourmet and say they handled the situation badly and shake hands.. will they swallow their ego to that.. I wonder...! Your never too big to say sorry...
I was sat outside costa coffee the day this happened. I couldn't believe how the man (supposedly the manager of costa) was taking pictures of the sampling and speaking to them in a very rude manner. Costa that day took their lives into their own hands, I guess ti try and scare Power Gourmet off. I do hope this happens because I will be in there soon enough enjoying a buy one get one free coffee rather than the £3 for one in costa.
We whine about shoplifters when it suits us etc.
Costa have done nothing wrong as far as this article describes other than ensure our local rules are applied.
So whom is wrong.
IronLady2010
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10:50pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010
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10:57pm Sat 19 May 12
BillyTheKid
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11:02pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:I believe people should talk to each other and reach total deadlock before they consider exploring official channels.
Billythekid, I may have missed your opinion on the original article in among all the adverts and slatings etc.
So, Was it wrong for Costa to report the neighbour to SCC for breach of By-Law and was it wrong for Power Gourmet to go to The Echo?
Are both sides at fault or should we continue to go ahead with talking about fellow members contributions?
It is not for us to judge whether it was right or wrong of them to take whatever action they chose, providing they were legally entitled to do so.
It's coffee, and not essential. So I am not very interested in them. I have found it amusing to discover just how important it all is to the chattering classes !
If someone is rude, and does not appear to be a troll, I will take them to task if I feel like it. Princess Poo, or whatever he/she/it calls him/her/itself came into that category.
Why are you trying to get order in this bear-pit ? Aren't there better discussion forums for someone of your integrity ? None of my business, I know, but I was just (politely) wondering.
BillyTheKid
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11:46pm Sat 19 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:Iron Lady, I've been thinking. You would be ideal as a moderator on this forum. Obviously you would need a team of people who would take it in turns to do their shift, but the incentive would that you could ban posters who broke the rules.
The next thing is we'll have Big Issue sellers outside, all in the name of Organic!
Just a thought, and please take it as an honest compliment.
However, I think the Echo are opposed to moderation. Well, they are only "local rag" journalists - never going to win any literary prizes, are they ?
mack chinnon
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2:42am Sun 20 May 12
BillyTheKid wrote:Dik,do one.
IronLady2010 wrote:Iron Lady, I've been thinking. You would be ideal as a moderator on this forum. Obviously you would need a team of people who would take it in turns to do their shift, but the incentive would that you could ban posters who broke the rules.
The next thing is we'll have Big Issue sellers outside, all in the name of Organic!
Just a thought, and please take it as an honest compliment.
However, I think the Echo are opposed to moderation. Well, they are only "local rag" journalists - never going to win any literary prizes, are they ?
Totton Ric
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6:39am Sun 20 May 12
PowerGourmet
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11:54am Sun 20 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:Hi all, we've now updated our What is Organic page to answer your questions and provide some insight on the organic debate. We've included why organic is beneficial, and the strict criteria all organic products has to meet to gain the certification.
randomguy91 wrote:I accept your point, but personally wouldn't visit either venue. The High Street Cafe is a short walk away.
Nod wrote:this comment may have some materialistic truth to it, however, with the cotton wool nation as it is at the moment, and everything being steralised, everybody is now losing their immune system strength, did you drink water from the hose as a child? do you swim in the sea? would you pick a blackberry and eat it whilst walking through the countryside? organic has upto 60% more nutrients and anti-oxidants than standard foods, rock on for organic, why go to costa and sip on residues of potentially harmful pesticide and herbicide chemicals?? POWER ARMY!!!!!
I can not understand the organic movement. The point of pesticides are to remove things like animal faeces, urine and to make it safer for human consumption. Why go back to the days where we literally eat $#!+.
Just adding a third option ;-)
we've also included some links to the EU regulations, useful parts of the Soil Association's website, and also a really insightful video.
Of course everyone will have their opinion on whether organic farming is important, but one of the big things for me personally is the TASTE.
You really cannot beat the taste of organic food and drinks. It's just so much richer. That's just my 2p worth, on behalf of our little deli cafe.
Do let us know what you think.
PowerGourmet
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11:57am Sun 20 May 12
PowerGourmet wrote:Oh and unless you wanted the specific page address, it's: http://www.powergour
IronLady2010 wrote:Hi all, we've now updated our What is Organic page to answer your questions and provide some insight on the organic debate. We've included why organic is beneficial, and the strict criteria all organic products has to meet to gain the certification.
randomguy91 wrote:I accept your point, but personally wouldn't visit either venue. The High Street Cafe is a short walk away.
Nod wrote:this comment may have some materialistic truth to it, however, with the cotton wool nation as it is at the moment, and everything being steralised, everybody is now losing their immune system strength, did you drink water from the hose as a child? do you swim in the sea? would you pick a blackberry and eat it whilst walking through the countryside? organic has upto 60% more nutrients and anti-oxidants than standard foods, rock on for organic, why go to costa and sip on residues of potentially harmful pesticide and herbicide chemicals?? POWER ARMY!!!!!
I can not understand the organic movement. The point of pesticides are to remove things like animal faeces, urine and to make it safer for human consumption. Why go back to the days where we literally eat $#!+.
Just adding a third option ;-)
we've also included some links to the EU regulations, useful parts of the Soil Association's website, and also a really insightful video.
Of course everyone will have their opinion on whether organic farming is important, but one of the big things for me personally is the TASTE.
You really cannot beat the taste of organic food and drinks. It's just so much richer. That's just my 2p worth, on behalf of our little deli cafe.
Do let us know what you think.
met.co.uk/what-is-or
ganic
NormanGunston
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2:50pm Sun 20 May 12
as for costa, wont be going there again. ridiculous way to act. I'm sure a polite ' you do know that's illegal' would have been enough, considering i doubt many people including myself would realise this is a problem.
btw where does this put the food stalls on thursday who offer people samples? the council should crack down on this evil trade! Its ruining our High Street!
BillyTheKid
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3:10pm Sun 20 May 12
Now look at it ! The precinct.....it looks like a run-down car boot sale !
centralgirl
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8:12pm Sun 20 May 12
oooarrr
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10:02pm Sun 20 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:It's a coffee shop!
IronLady2010 wrote:So, I click on the next page and get this statement' Power Gourmet is Southampton’s first organic cafe to be awarded the Gold ood for Life '
http://www.powergour
met.co.uk/what-is-or
ganic/
What is Organic, and what are the benefits? They can't even fill out the bloomin page with content. I was interested!
Missed an F off food. Come on guys, you're a small business taking on a chain, attention to detail does matter ;-)
Good luck x
There is no f in food.
:-)
IronLady2010
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11:07pm Sun 20 May 12
It was actually quite interesting reading.
I use Berocca as a morning additive to my diet, gives me a bit of a kick and provides me with most of my Vitamins.
Keep up the great work guys! x
IronLady2010
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11:41pm Sun 20 May 12
IronLady2010 wrote:You are able to purchase Berocca in most superstores such as Asda Waitrose, Tesco and Boots, many more outlets available.
Thank you to Power Gourmet for their update on the Organic info.
It was actually quite interesting reading.
I use Berocca as a morning additive to my diet, gives me a bit of a kick and provides me with most of my Vitamins.
Keep up the great work guys! x
eurogordi
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11:36am Mon 21 May 12
birddog38
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5:13pm Thu 24 May 12
Anyway, I do think that the Franchise owner of this Costa should be ashamed of the conduct displayed and the damage that has been done to the "Costa" brand name in the petty feud that has occured.
Give it up folks, all the public want is a nice cup of coffee at THIER chosen location and a bit of peace and quiet to enjoy it!
mummsie says...
4:44pm Fri 18 May 12