Ban on windfarms is 'simply bonkers'

Daily Echo: Ban on windfarms is 'simply bonkers' Ban on windfarms is 'simply bonkers'

PLANS for a blanket ban on wind farms on council land in Hampshire have been condemned as “simply bonkers.”

Tory council chiefs say that while the benefits of providing clean renewable energy are recognised there are “adverse impacts” on the landscape.

A county council report said the financial benefits would also be outweighed.

But the leader of the Liberal Democrat opposition, Cllr Keith House, said a blanket ban would be “irresponsible and, frankly, stupid."

Energy companies pay landowners large sums to lease their land for turbines - cash that could be spent on services.

The local authority is a major landowner with tenant farms, country parks and other land.

The final decision to ban wind farms and large turbines will be made by council leader Ken Thornber on January 24 as executive member for policy and resources.

A council spokesman said: “The leader will report his decision to the first full council after that.”

But Councillor Keith House, leader of the Liberal Democrat opposition group, said the decision should be made after a full council debate.

Cllr House added: “Hampshire Conservatives' position on this is quite simply bonkers. Would they rather see a nuclear power station at Fawley, or turbines in appropriate sites?

“Renewal energy is an essential part of future energy security. A blanket ban is irresponsible and, frankly, stupid."

But in a statement, deputy leader and environment chief Mel Kendal said: “We are completely signed-up to the benefits of low-carbon energy but believe that at the present moment large scale wind turbines on our land do not provide a sufficient benefit to justify the loss of some of Hampshire's most prized undeveloped countryside.”

Liberal Democrat environment spokesman Councillor Adam Carew said “We wouldn't wish to see wind farms on areas of outstanding beauty or sites of special interest but an absolute ban is ludicrous.”

Councillor Alan Weeks, the sole Green Party member of the county council said: “The local authority could be using its land to generate renewable electricity and one way is wind farms.

“There are a lot worse eyesores. On the horizon, they can look quite spectacular and - unlike the Spinnaker Tower in Portsmouth - they generate electricity.”

The proposed ban comes as the council is drawing up a new energy strategy in a bid to cut its energy bill and carbon emissions.

As reported, the local authority has been hit by a £1.4m “green tax” for carbon emissions from services such as street lighting and heating schools.

The policy won't affect planning applications for wind farms on private land such as the one at Bullington Cross, north of Winchester, as city and district councils - not Hampshire - are the decision making bodies.

Energy minister John Hayes has been reported as saying existing wind farm sites and those in the pipeline would be enough to meet green commitments.

But a subsequent government statement said there were no caps on wind farms or change of policy.

Energy and Climate Change Secretary Edward Davey said: “Onshore wind is one of the cheapest renewables, which is why we've been able to cut the subsidy. It has an important role to play in our energy future.”

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7:18am Thu 1 Nov 12

MisterGrimsdale says...

I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities
I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities MisterGrimsdale
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7:27am Thu 1 Nov 12

loosehead says...

MisterGrimsdale wrote:
I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities
Put in a liquid Air storage system & it could quite easily work
[quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities[/p][/quote]Put in a liquid Air storage system & it could quite easily work loosehead
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8:40am Thu 1 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?
Don't save the World, it might ruin the view? SaintDon13
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9:09am Thu 1 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

MisterGrimsdale wrote:
I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities
Good post. Try the IOW, as I believe they are still producing components for these turbines.
[quote][p][bold]MisterGrimsdale[/bold] wrote: I'd like the see a little experimental island run completely according to lib dem principles for 5 years. In no time at all it would have power cuts, huge taxes, a 100% public sector, high crime, benefits for everyone and nothing would work. Everyone would know their human rights and nobody would know their human responsibilities[/p][/quote]Good post. Try the IOW, as I believe they are still producing components for these turbines. hulla baloo
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9:12am Thu 1 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

SaintDon13 wrote:
Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?
It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty.
But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable
[quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?[/p][/quote]It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty. But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable hulla baloo
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9:26am Thu 1 Nov 12

Richard 51 says...

So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard..........
So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard.......... Richard 51
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9:29am Thu 1 Nov 12

elvisimo says...

hulla baloo wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote: Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?
It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty. But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable
why will it spread - do the breed? will we need a turbine cull.

The rsearch I have read is pretty promising although like all new technology it will need time to be evaluted properly. The other options are nuclear, gas and coal - want one of those built near you? Dont think they are that asthetically pleasing.

Also , I think they look great!
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?[/p][/quote]It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty. But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable[/p][/quote]why will it spread - do the breed? will we need a turbine cull. The rsearch I have read is pretty promising although like all new technology it will need time to be evaluted properly. The other options are nuclear, gas and coal - want one of those built near you? Dont think they are that asthetically pleasing. Also , I think they look great! elvisimo
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10:08am Thu 1 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

elvisimo wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote: Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?
It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty. But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable
why will it spread - do the breed? will we need a turbine cull.

The rsearch I have read is pretty promising although like all new technology it will need time to be evaluted properly. The other options are nuclear, gas and coal - want one of those built near you? Dont think they are that asthetically pleasing.

Also , I think they look great!
They do breed. Gt a few together and they will start to appear in other places in a very short space of time. Before you know it, they will be all over the country, and along the coast line.
Asthetically pleasing is personal opinion. For me, I would rather see rolling hillsides and open seas and not those eyesores.
[quote][p][bold]elvisimo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: Don't save the World, it might ruin the view?[/p][/quote]It is not just about the view, though once a windfarm is put in place, then it will just spread, ruining many places of beauty. But I, and probably along many others, am yet to be convinced that these windfarms are commercially viable[/p][/quote]why will it spread - do the breed? will we need a turbine cull. The rsearch I have read is pretty promising although like all new technology it will need time to be evaluted properly. The other options are nuclear, gas and coal - want one of those built near you? Dont think they are that asthetically pleasing. Also , I think they look great![/p][/quote]They do breed. Gt a few together and they will start to appear in other places in a very short space of time. Before you know it, they will be all over the country, and along the coast line. Asthetically pleasing is personal opinion. For me, I would rather see rolling hillsides and open seas and not those eyesores. hulla baloo
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11:01am Thu 1 Nov 12

Of the Ilk says...

Ban wind turbines, new nuclear power stations and all biomass plants if you like, but only if you are the first to have your lights go out.
Ban wind turbines, new nuclear power stations and all biomass plants if you like, but only if you are the first to have your lights go out. Of the Ilk
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11:07am Thu 1 Nov 12

Bagamn says...

Why do we have to have Messrs Kendall and Thornber playing God with the likes of this County. Why don't they just retire and do us all a favour. We need younger ideas for the Council, not their Nimbie ideas. Get rid of the likes of these two oldies and let some fresh air into the Council offices.
Why do we have to have Messrs Kendall and Thornber playing God with the likes of this County. Why don't they just retire and do us all a favour. We need younger ideas for the Council, not their Nimbie ideas. Get rid of the likes of these two oldies and let some fresh air into the Council offices. Bagamn
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12:18pm Thu 1 Nov 12

ohec says...

As i understand it Germany have given up on wind turbines as not viable, and now that Hitachi are going to build nuclear power stations the immediate threat of blackouts in the long term has gone. Turbines don't look to bad now but what about in 20/30 years time ? what sort of a mess will we be leaving future generations. Its all very well keep dishing out subsidies but all that does is make our energy even dearer, we should nationalise all of our services like it used to be instead of making other countries/companies rich with inflated costs, if the money we now have to pay for our services was kept in this country we would have the best of everything. You name it our buses trains water gas electricity even our rubbish is generating profits for overseas investors its a disgrace.
As i understand it Germany have given up on wind turbines as not viable, and now that Hitachi are going to build nuclear power stations the immediate threat of blackouts in the long term has gone. Turbines don't look to bad now but what about in 20/30 years time ? what sort of a mess will we be leaving future generations. Its all very well keep dishing out subsidies but all that does is make our energy even dearer, we should nationalise all of our services like it used to be instead of making other countries/companies rich with inflated costs, if the money we now have to pay for our services was kept in this country we would have the best of everything. You name it our buses trains water gas electricity even our rubbish is generating profits for overseas investors its a disgrace. ohec
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1:35pm Thu 1 Nov 12

loosehead says...

ohec wrote:
As i understand it Germany have given up on wind turbines as not viable, and now that Hitachi are going to build nuclear power stations the immediate threat of blackouts in the long term has gone. Turbines don't look to bad now but what about in 20/30 years time ? what sort of a mess will we be leaving future generations. Its all very well keep dishing out subsidies but all that does is make our energy even dearer, we should nationalise all of our services like it used to be instead of making other countries/companies rich with inflated costs, if the money we now have to pay for our services was kept in this country we would have the best of everything. You name it our buses trains water gas electricity even our rubbish is generating profits for overseas investors its a disgrace.
You know that on a previous article there was a post from a guy who was installing the next generation Wind Turbines in Germany & if anything Germany is scrapping Nuclear & going for alternatives to Nuclear
[quote][p][bold]ohec[/bold] wrote: As i understand it Germany have given up on wind turbines as not viable, and now that Hitachi are going to build nuclear power stations the immediate threat of blackouts in the long term has gone. Turbines don't look to bad now but what about in 20/30 years time ? what sort of a mess will we be leaving future generations. Its all very well keep dishing out subsidies but all that does is make our energy even dearer, we should nationalise all of our services like it used to be instead of making other countries/companies rich with inflated costs, if the money we now have to pay for our services was kept in this country we would have the best of everything. You name it our buses trains water gas electricity even our rubbish is generating profits for overseas investors its a disgrace.[/p][/quote]You know that on a previous article there was a post from a guy who was installing the next generation Wind Turbines in Germany & if anything Germany is scrapping Nuclear & going for alternatives to Nuclear loosehead
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5:46pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Andy Locks Heath says...

Richard 51 wrote:
So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard..........
Why do you keep saying that? If we did we wouldn't need any windmills anywhere, but if someone did propose putting a nuclear power station in the Solent it would be you and those who think like you that would complain! And for a series of specious and innacurate reasons all of which can be refuted. Bring it on. It would be reliable(unlike windmills), clean cheap and safe, it would not harm wildlife, nor humans (unlike windmills) The ex Fawley Power station site would be perfect. Any objections?
[quote][p][bold]Richard 51[/bold] wrote: So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard..........[/p][/quote]Why do you keep saying that? If we did we wouldn't need any windmills anywhere, but if someone did propose putting a nuclear power station in the Solent it would be you and those who think like you that would complain! And for a series of specious and innacurate reasons all of which can be refuted. Bring it on. It would be reliable(unlike windmills), clean cheap and safe, it would not harm wildlife, nor humans (unlike windmills) The ex Fawley Power station site would be perfect. Any objections? Andy Locks Heath
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6:19pm Thu 1 Nov 12

griffon says...

This is a simple case of gesture politics relating no doubt to the May county elections in May. Expect to see 'Windfarm ban' headlined in every Tory election leaflet especially ones put round their nice high carbon constituencies. Why is an ageing politican left to make decisions that affect everybody without a public debate?
This is a simple case of gesture politics relating no doubt to the May county elections in May. Expect to see 'Windfarm ban' headlined in every Tory election leaflet especially ones put round their nice high carbon constituencies. Why is an ageing politican left to make decisions that affect everybody without a public debate? griffon
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9:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

loosehead says...

Andy Locks Heath wrote:
Richard 51 wrote:
So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard..........
Why do you keep saying that? If we did we wouldn't need any windmills anywhere, but if someone did propose putting a nuclear power station in the Solent it would be you and those who think like you that would complain! And for a series of specious and innacurate reasons all of which can be refuted. Bring it on. It would be reliable(unlike windmills), clean cheap and safe, it would not harm wildlife, nor humans (unlike windmills) The ex Fawley Power station site would be perfect. Any objections?
Really so Andy exactly where would we store the waste radioactive material ?
[quote][p][bold]Andy Locks Heath[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Richard 51[/bold] wrote: So what now a nuclear power station on the Solent, oh silly me not in my back yard..........[/p][/quote]Why do you keep saying that? If we did we wouldn't need any windmills anywhere, but if someone did propose putting a nuclear power station in the Solent it would be you and those who think like you that would complain! And for a series of specious and innacurate reasons all of which can be refuted. Bring it on. It would be reliable(unlike windmills), clean cheap and safe, it would not harm wildlife, nor humans (unlike windmills) The ex Fawley Power station site would be perfect. Any objections?[/p][/quote]Really so Andy exactly where would we store the waste radioactive material ? loosehead
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