Campaigners lose last challenge to fluoride plan

Daily Echo: Fluoride gets green light after final challenge is thrown out Fluoride gets green light after final challenge is thrown out

THE last formal attempt to stop health chiefs putting fluoride in Hampshire tap water has been rejected.

The decision by a Parliamentary watchdog to reject a complaint about the controversial scheme gives the green light for South Central Strategic Health Authority (SHA) to plough on with its plans for Southampton and the surrounding area.

But the organisation now faces a race against time if it is to get the chemical into the water supply before it is axed next spring by the Government, as part of NHS reforms.

The last-ditch bid to halt the controversial scheme had been made by New Forest East MP Julian Lewis and Hampshire County Councillor David Harrison.

But the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman has ruled against their complaints.

The pair wanted the SHA brought to book over its “sham” consultation, the waste of public money in pushing the scheme through, and fears the fluoridated area may have to be larger than initially thought.

If they had been successful it could have halted the project, which will affect 200,000 people in parts of Southampton, Eastleigh, Totton, Netley and Rownhams.

But the ombudsman turned down the complaint, saying the issues raised were either out of its remit or had already been examined by the High Court during a judicial review which the SHA successfully defended.

Cllr Harrison said he was “disappointed”

with the decision, which he said gives the green light for public organisations to fritter away taxpayers’ cash.

He told the Daily Echo: “The SHA are to be abolished in April and both Dr Lewis and myself felt it was a real folly and a massive waste of public money for them to continue in the knowledge that all the local councils were against it and have stated their intention to reverse the decision.

“The ombudsman has essentially said as long as it’s legal it can waste as much money as it likes, which seems quite breathtaking.

“The NHS isn’t over-endowed with funding and already a great deal of public money has been wasted.

“Everybody who pays taxes should be outraged by this.”

After winning the judicial review last year the SHA restarted work with Southern Water on plans to introduce fluoridation and believes it is on track to get the scheme in place before next spring, arguing it still believes it will benefit public health.

The authority has previously said: “The SHA Board unanimously decided that the health benefits outweigh all of the arguments against water fluoridation for the population described in the consultation and remains confident with this decision.”

But as revealed by the Daily Echo, fears have been raised the pipe network means some homes outside the consulted area could find themselves in a fluoridated zone.

Cllr Harrison said: “The ombudsman has agreed that if the water is fluoridated outside of where the consultation took place that would indeed be illegal, but we don’t know for sure if that’s going to happen, so we can’t yet take any action.”

But he believes with time running out for the SHA, he is “reasonably optimistic” the scheme will not be in place before responsibility for fluoridation is handed to councils, all of which have expressed their opposition to the project.

Cllr Harrison added: “It really would be sensible for the SHA to admit defeat.”

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8:36am Fri 2 Nov 12

OSPREYSAINT says...

Quick now, mount another appeal against them putting a known poison in the water supply before it kills off my goldfish.
Quick now, mount another appeal against them putting a known poison in the water supply before it kills off my goldfish. OSPREYSAINT
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9:19am Fri 2 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

The expression 'throwing money down the drain' springs to mind. It would be cheaper to get involved in Childsmile as other areas have, and much more beneficial to the welfare of children's teeth
The expression 'throwing money down the drain' springs to mind. It would be cheaper to get involved in Childsmile as other areas have, and much more beneficial to the welfare of children's teeth Inform Al
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9:37am Fri 2 Nov 12

SaintAsh1964 says...

Poisoned by a Health Authority, you couldn't make it up!
Poisoned by a Health Authority, you couldn't make it up! SaintAsh1964
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9:44am Fri 2 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.”
.

Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal.
.

Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented.
.
All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself
Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.” . Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal. . Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented. . All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself Lone Ranger.
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9:56am Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.”
.

Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal.
.

Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented.
.
All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself
Why does this come as no surprise?

His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn.

If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next.

With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.” . Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal. . Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented. . All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself[/p][/quote]Why does this come as no surprise? His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn. If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next. With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third. Linesman
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10:02am Fri 2 Nov 12

Mr Price says...

I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.
I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water. Mr Price
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10:07am Fri 2 Nov 12

davehills says...

So, assuming that this does go ahead, what is the process for getting the decision overturned once the SHA ceases to exist?

If the NHS takes over from the SHA then presumably the NHS will bear the ongoing costs?

If so, surely it's better that this money is spent supporting the heart unit or keeping beds open at Tatchbury?

Perhaps that's why Tatchbury was closed all along...to save money to fund the fluouridation scheme under the NHS?
So, assuming that this does go ahead, what is the process for getting the decision overturned once the SHA ceases to exist? If the NHS takes over from the SHA then presumably the NHS will bear the ongoing costs? If so, surely it's better that this money is spent supporting the heart unit or keeping beds open at Tatchbury? Perhaps that's why Tatchbury was closed all along...to save money to fund the fluouridation scheme under the NHS? davehills
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10:17am Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Mr Price wrote:
I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.
if you don't believe, then you have nothing to worry about.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Price[/bold] wrote: I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.[/p][/quote]if you don't believe, then you have nothing to worry about. Linesman
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10:57am Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.”
.

Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal.
.

Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented.
.
All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself
Why does this come as no surprise?

His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn.

If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next.

With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third.
It don't come to any surprise really, it would not matter if it was a Labour, Tory, Lib/dem Government it was all ways going to be the same.

Wait till next year a treble-dip recession, and if you add the Unemployment numbers into the figures we been in a recession since the mid 80's.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.” . Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal. . Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented. . All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself[/p][/quote]Why does this come as no surprise? His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn. If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next. With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third.[/p][/quote]It don't come to any surprise really, it would not matter if it was a Labour, Tory, Lib/dem Government it was all ways going to be the same. Wait till next year a treble-dip recession, and if you add the Unemployment numbers into the figures we been in a recession since the mid 80's. southy
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11:01am Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Now they need to go to Europian courts, which should give the full amount of time to run this Strategic Health Authority fluoridations plans to an halt.
Now they need to go to Europian courts, which should give the full amount of time to run this Strategic Health Authority fluoridations plans to an halt. southy
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11:30am Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.”
.

Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal.
.

Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented.
.
All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself
Why does this come as no surprise?

His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn.

If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next.

With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third.
It don't come to any surprise really, it would not matter if it was a Labour, Tory, Lib/dem Government it was all ways going to be the same.

Wait till next year a treble-dip recession, and if you add the Unemployment numbers into the figures we been in a recession since the mid 80's.
.. wot??
You "add" GDP data to Unemployment Statistics??
What would this resulting single number tell us?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: Echo 5th July 2010…….And Prime Minister David Cameron told this paper: “I have always taken the view that this is something that should be decided locally and I don’t believe in compulsory fluoridation of water.” . Echo 6th Oct 2009….A TORY Government would insist on public backing for fluoride being added to Hampshire water supplies, the Daily Echo can reveal. . Conservative health chiefs have confirmed the public should have to give their approval for any compulsory fluoridation scheme to be implemented. . All talk and NO action ......... How hollow these words are from old Slippery himself[/p][/quote]Why does this come as no surprise? His only consistent policy since coming to power has been U-Turn. If he thinks something is a good idea one day, he changes his mind the next. With leadership like Cameron's, no wonder we have had a double-dip recession, with every prospect of a third.[/p][/quote]It don't come to any surprise really, it would not matter if it was a Labour, Tory, Lib/dem Government it was all ways going to be the same. Wait till next year a treble-dip recession, and if you add the Unemployment numbers into the figures we been in a recession since the mid 80's.[/p][/quote].. wot?? You "add" GDP data to Unemployment Statistics?? What would this resulting single number tell us? freefinker
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11:32am Fri 2 Nov 12

lowe esteem says...

Daily Error strikes again...another typograph error on the front page. Our local campaigning rag is really championing our cause in the battle against fluoridisation. Come on, rise to the CALLENGE Echo, as I"ve been saying even Nigel Adkins can make mistakes, it's how you respond, or are allowed to respond. Another area where the silent majority will be beaten? Come out of your castles and hovels and make some noise, Joe Public, Gordon Bennett or Sammy Saint.
Daily Error strikes again...another typograph error on the front page. Our local campaigning rag is really championing our cause in the battle against fluoridisation. Come on, rise to the CALLENGE Echo, as I"ve been saying even Nigel Adkins can make mistakes, it's how you respond, or are allowed to respond. Another area where the silent majority will be beaten? Come out of your castles and hovels and make some noise, Joe Public, Gordon Bennett or Sammy Saint. lowe esteem
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12:24pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Carthage says...

"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012.

http://www.hsph.harv
ard.edu/news/feature
s/features/fluoride-
childrens-health-gra
ndjean-choi.htm
"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012. http://www.hsph.harv ard.edu/news/feature s/features/fluoride- childrens-health-gra ndjean-choi.htm Carthage
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12:31pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Carthage says...

Sorry correct web address.

http://www.hsph.harv
ard.edu/news/feature
s/features/fluoride-
childrens-health-gra
ndjean-choi.html
Sorry correct web address. http://www.hsph.harv ard.edu/news/feature s/features/fluoride- childrens-health-gra ndjean-choi.html Carthage
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1:24pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Carthage wrote:
"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012.

http://www.hsph.harv

ard.edu/news/feature

s/features/fluoride-

childrens-health-gra

ndjean-choi.htm
If that were true, why has it not shown up in the Midlands where water has had the Benefit of fluoridation for more than half a century.

Never mind the University theory, where is the practical evidence from the Midlands?
[quote][p][bold]Carthage[/bold] wrote: "In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012. http://www.hsph.harv ard.edu/news/feature s/features/fluoride- childrens-health-gra ndjean-choi.htm[/p][/quote]If that were true, why has it not shown up in the Midlands where water has had the Benefit of fluoridation for more than half a century. Never mind the University theory, where is the practical evidence from the Midlands? Linesman
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4:27pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Northamboy says...

Could someone point me to a map showing areas which fluoride is to be added to the water. Perhaps someone knows how far east this area extends?
Could someone point me to a map showing areas which fluoride is to be added to the water. Perhaps someone knows how far east this area extends? Northamboy
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4:36pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship. Ginger_cyclist
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5:02pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke! Linesman
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5:49pm Fri 2 Nov 12

S Pance says...

Linesman wrote:
Carthage wrote:
"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012.

http://www.hsph.harv


ard.edu/news/feature


s/features/fluoride-


childrens-health-gra


ndjean-choi.htm
If that were true, why has it not shown up in the Midlands where water has had the Benefit of fluoridation for more than half a century.

Never mind the University theory, where is the practical evidence from the Midlands?
A number of studies have shown that IQ is affected by fluouride. Indeed, IQs are marginally lower in areas of the UK which are fluouridated.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Carthage[/bold] wrote: "In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012. http://www.hsph.harv ard.edu/news/feature s/features/fluoride- childrens-health-gra ndjean-choi.htm[/p][/quote]If that were true, why has it not shown up in the Midlands where water has had the Benefit of fluoridation for more than half a century. Never mind the University theory, where is the practical evidence from the Midlands?[/p][/quote]A number of studies have shown that IQ is affected by fluouride. Indeed, IQs are marginally lower in areas of the UK which are fluouridated. S Pance
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5:52pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Sircumfrins says...

This news frustrates me to no end.
There are so many different avenues you can take with this subject and all of them lead to the fact that placing Fluoride in our water supply is unethical, it's hazardous to our health, it's undemocratic and most importantly...It's UNNECESSARY.
I think we need to break the association between fluoride and oral hygiene and cleanliness.
You do not need fluoride in your toothpaste to have a clean and hygienic mouth. There are fluoride free toothpastes that are approved by Dentist Association's around the world.
It stands to reason, that if you don't need fluoride (in toothpaste) to sustain a clean and hygienic mouth then you don't need to add fluoride to the water supply to "cure" said problem.
The "debate" was over before it even started!
Why don't people just adopt this view?! This point is irrefutable.
Linesman: I have no idea who you are and you probably are a decent person however your advocation for something that is completely irrelevant is really perturbing.
I honestly can't see how you could disagree with my statement because this is a known fact. If you do agree with my statement then your pro-fluoride or fluoride sympathetic comments are unwarranted.
If you disagree then check out a brand of toothpaste that I use called Kingfisher. It is approved by the British Dental Health Foundation and obviously means that it's just as good as Fluoridated toothpastes.
Once again the debate is over...
Kind regards,
Chris
This news frustrates me to no end. There are so many different avenues you can take with this subject and all of them lead to the fact that placing Fluoride in our water supply is unethical, it's hazardous to our health, it's undemocratic and most importantly...It's UNNECESSARY. I think we need to break the association between fluoride and oral hygiene and cleanliness. You do not need fluoride in your toothpaste to have a clean and hygienic mouth. There are fluoride free toothpastes that are approved by Dentist Association's around the world. It stands to reason, that if you don't need fluoride (in toothpaste) to sustain a clean and hygienic mouth then you don't need to add fluoride to the water supply to "cure" said problem. The "debate" was over before it even started! Why don't people just adopt this view?! This point is irrefutable. Linesman: I have no idea who you are and you probably are a decent person however your advocation for something that is completely irrelevant is really perturbing. I honestly can't see how you could disagree with my statement because this is a known fact. If you do agree with my statement then your pro-fluoride or fluoride sympathetic comments are unwarranted. If you disagree then check out a brand of toothpaste that I use called Kingfisher. It is approved by the British Dental Health Foundation and obviously means that it's just as good as Fluoridated toothpastes. Once again the debate is over... Kind regards, Chris Sircumfrins
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6:04pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Ginger_cyclist says...

Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant. Ginger_cyclist
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6:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

solo1 says...

Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy.
Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy. solo1
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6:46pm Fri 2 Nov 12

guitarman777 says...

We don't want this poison in our water EVER !
We can NEVER let it happen.
It is NOT acceptable to allow this toxic waste to be put in our water supplies.
This should be made illegal worldwide.
We NEED a shake up in gov the dept of health & education to realize that this chemical has long term risks to the health and well being of the population.
What will they decide to poison our water with next Astatine ???
We don't want this poison in our water EVER ! We can NEVER let it happen. It is NOT acceptable to allow this toxic waste to be put in our water supplies. This should be made illegal worldwide. We NEED a shake up in gov the dept of health & education to realize that this chemical has long term risks to the health and well being of the population. What will they decide to poison our water with next Astatine ??? guitarman777
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6:57pm Fri 2 Nov 12

guitarman777 says...

solo1 wrote:
Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy.
Try purchasing a reverse osmosis water filtration system if we get this poison put into our water supplies.
[quote][p][bold]solo1[/bold] wrote: Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy.[/p][/quote]Try purchasing a reverse osmosis water filtration system if we get this poison put into our water supplies. guitarman777
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8:07pm Fri 2 Nov 12

solo1 says...

guitarman777 wrote:
solo1 wrote:
Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy.
Try purchasing a reverse osmosis water filtration system if we get this poison put into our water supplies.
Thanks for that, but staying here would make my wife a prisoner. Unable to use cafes, resturaunts, pubs etc as they will all be contaminated. I hope, in the interests of health and safety, that Southampton Council declare warning signs on all approach roads into the area warning vulnerable people of the Toxic waste poured into the water or else they will be open to many lawsuits by visitors with long term illnesses unaware of the deliberate man made health risks.
[quote][p][bold]guitarman777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]solo1[/bold] wrote: Thanks a lot. After living in the Southampton area for 59 years we are now forced out of the area. As my wife suffers from a serious thyroid problem, taking flouride in any form would cause severe problems. I now have the choice of buying endless supplies of bottled water for drinking, washing and bathing or moving out. Either that or sit back and watch my wife suffer the negative health consequences. Thank god we live in a democracy.[/p][/quote]Try purchasing a reverse osmosis water filtration system if we get this poison put into our water supplies.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that, but staying here would make my wife a prisoner. Unable to use cafes, resturaunts, pubs etc as they will all be contaminated. I hope, in the interests of health and safety, that Southampton Council declare warning signs on all approach roads into the area warning vulnerable people of the Toxic waste poured into the water or else they will be open to many lawsuits by visitors with long term illnesses unaware of the deliberate man made health risks. solo1
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10:57pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
[quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists. Linesman
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8:39am Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Carthage wrote:
"In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012.

http://www.hsph.harv

ard.edu/news/feature

s/features/fluoride-

childrens-health-gra

ndjean-choi.htm
Judging by some of the posts it may have already been done already........
[quote][p][bold]Carthage[/bold] wrote: "In a meta-analysis, researchers from Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) and China Medical University in Shenyang for the first time combined 27 studies and found strong indications that fluoride may adversely affect cognitive development in children. Based on the findings, the authors say that this risk should not be ignored, and that more research on fluoride’s impact on the developing brain is warranted". July 25th 2012. http://www.hsph.harv ard.edu/news/feature s/features/fluoride- childrens-health-gra ndjean-choi.htm[/p][/quote]Judging by some of the posts it may have already been done already........ SaintDon13
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8:40am Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.[/p][/quote]If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice! SaintDon13
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8:57am Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Cut and paste, remember to close up any spaces :- http://www.southofen
gland.nhs.uk/what-we
-do/public-health/fl
uoridation/map-of-wa
ter-fluoridation-sch
eme/
Cut and paste, remember to close up any spaces :- http://www.southofen gland.nhs.uk/what-we -do/public-health/fl uoridation/map-of-wa ter-fluoridation-sch eme/ SaintDon13
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9:19am Sat 3 Nov 12

Linesman says...

SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice!
I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.
[quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.[/p][/quote]If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice![/p][/quote]I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer. Linesman
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10:19am Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Linesman wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice!
I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.
I agree it's not the time or place!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.[/p][/quote]If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice![/p][/quote]I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.[/p][/quote]I agree it's not the time or place! SaintDon13
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10:43am Sat 3 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice!
I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.
I agree it's not the time or place!
Please tell me I'm not losing the plot. I thought this thread was about poisoning our water.
[quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.[/p][/quote]If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice![/p][/quote]I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.[/p][/quote]I agree it's not the time or place![/p][/quote]Please tell me I'm not losing the plot. I thought this thread was about poisoning our water. Inform Al
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5:19pm Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

Inform Al wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
SaintDon13 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Ginger_cyclist wrote:
Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.
'everyone are equals'

The Queen's English as she be spoke!
Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.
Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.
If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice!
I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.
I agree it's not the time or place!
Please tell me I'm not losing the plot. I thought this thread was about poisoning our water.
Time for an Echo Poll methinks?
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ginger_cyclist[/bold] wrote: Ah, democracy at it's finest, only giving us the ability to choose our own dictator and not a single real say on anything else, let's us voice ourselves about things but then the dictator decides not to act on what we say. The stories and legends of Camelot show true democracy through the round table where everyone are equals and have an equal say in matters, modern democracy is just prettied up dictatorship.[/p][/quote]'everyone are equals' The Queen's English as she be spoke![/p][/quote]Sure, sure, s o I may have or may not have made a little error but I would be surprised if no one understood what I meant.[/p][/quote]Of course. It's just that I have a thing about ginger cyclists.[/p][/quote]If they wore proper safety headgear you wouldn't notice![/p][/quote]I am not going to be drawn into commenting on the strength of the heads under discussion and the headgear on offer.[/p][/quote]I agree it's not the time or place![/p][/quote]Please tell me I'm not losing the plot. I thought this thread was about poisoning our water.[/p][/quote]Time for an Echo Poll methinks? SaintDon13
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5:23pm Sat 3 Nov 12

SaintDon13 says...

SaintDon13 wrote:
Cut and paste, remember to close up any spaces :- http://www.southofen

gland.nhs.uk/what-we

-do/public-health/fl

uoridation/map-of-wa

ter-fluoridation-sch

eme/
Were you able to read this site, not good reading for my area.
[quote][p][bold]SaintDon13[/bold] wrote: Cut and paste, remember to close up any spaces :- http://www.southofen gland.nhs.uk/what-we -do/public-health/fl uoridation/map-of-wa ter-fluoridation-sch eme/[/p][/quote]Were you able to read this site, not good reading for my area. SaintDon13
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9:11pm Sat 3 Nov 12

wake up says...

as we know the 1% elitest who have corrupted & broken the banks, robbed our pensions & savings pots on a global scale, the corrupt justice system , corrupt politicians, so now they are running out of time & just pressing ahead to put this poison in our water supply to dumb us all down just like the nazis did prisoners in a concentration camp , REFUSE TO PAY YOUR WATER SUPPLIER AS IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO MEDICATE YOU WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT , , just research your rights on your rights to refuse to pay , the government have already put money aside for when people stop paying for their poisoned water, .
as we know the 1% elitest who have corrupted & broken the banks, robbed our pensions & savings pots on a global scale, the corrupt justice system , corrupt politicians, so now they are running out of time & just pressing ahead to put this poison in our water supply to dumb us all down just like the nazis did prisoners in a concentration camp , REFUSE TO PAY YOUR WATER SUPPLIER AS IT IS ILLEGAL FOR THEM TO MEDICATE YOU WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT , , just research your rights on your rights to refuse to pay , the government have already put money aside for when people stop paying for their poisoned water, . wake up
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12:27am Sun 4 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses. micropaleo1
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5:53am Sun 4 Nov 12

Poppy22 says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Comments on numerous previous articles about this have provided links to plenty of websites and studies in the US showing the many negative effects of fluoridation!
None of us should be forced to drink a toxic chemical which is a by-product of an industrial process. Forcing this on the masses in order to adminster it to a tiny minority of children who actually drink tap water and whose dental hygiene is below par (which is, after all, parents' responsibility, not the State's!!!) is totally unacceptable.
Hopefully, if the authority tries to impose this before it's disbanded, the case will be taken to the EU as it's against our human rights to force us to accept water with fluoride added when we have already voted in our masses in this area to reject the proposal when we were "consulted".
If it goes ahead, I foresee many class actions when the true health effects become all too apparent.
Those of us who drink tap water more than any other drink do not want fluoride in our water!
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Comments on numerous previous articles about this have provided links to plenty of websites and studies in the US showing the many negative effects of fluoridation! None of us should be forced to drink a toxic chemical which is a by-product of an industrial process. Forcing this on the masses in order to adminster it to a tiny minority of children who actually drink tap water and whose dental hygiene is below par (which is, after all, parents' responsibility, not the State's!!!) is totally unacceptable. Hopefully, if the authority tries to impose this before it's disbanded, the case will be taken to the EU as it's against our human rights to force us to accept water with fluoride added when we have already voted in our masses in this area to reject the proposal when we were "consulted". If it goes ahead, I foresee many class actions when the true health effects become all too apparent. Those of us who drink tap water more than any other drink do not want fluoride in our water! Poppy22
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10:49am Sun 4 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up. Inform Al
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11:25am Sun 4 Nov 12

cleanmouth says...

This is ridiculous and scandalous. SHA should get off their "comfy taxpayer funded chairs" and go to the schools and areas they are concerned about and introduce proper teeth cleaning regimes in nurseries,primary schools and educate the masses. We, who are responsible should not be subjected to this outrageous scheme. Reminds me of the old Chinese dictat! Where are our councillors, why are they not shouting from the rafters? Disgusting and abominable..so much for democracy
This is ridiculous and scandalous. SHA should get off their "comfy taxpayer funded chairs" and go to the schools and areas they are concerned about and introduce proper teeth cleaning regimes in nurseries,primary schools and educate the masses. We, who are responsible should not be subjected to this outrageous scheme. Reminds me of the old Chinese dictat! Where are our councillors, why are they not shouting from the rafters? Disgusting and abominable..so much for democracy cleanmouth
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2:49pm Sun 4 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.
Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda.

As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified.

For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.[/p][/quote]Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda. As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified. For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water. micropaleo1
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3:26pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.
Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda.

As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified.

For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.
As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples.
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.[/p][/quote]Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda. As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified. For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.[/p][/quote]As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples. Inform Al
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4:20pm Sun 4 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.
Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda.

As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified.

For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.
As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples.
Do you have any evidence that Newcastle is made with tap water rather than their own well (much more common for beer distributors)? In addition, the Flourine incorporates into the crystal structure of your teeth. Unless your digestive system is made up of crystalline enamel, than your claim is ridiculous. That is like saying that a lighter can't burn a metal box, so it can't burn a paper one either. They are made of two completely different substances.

I'm sorry, but your anecdote about beer is completely irrelevant to any discussion about flourine. I encourage you to listen to Dara O'Briain's rant against anecdotes and pseudoscience, because your story is the type example.
[quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.[/p][/quote]Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda. As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified. For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.[/p][/quote]As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples.[/p][/quote]Do you have any evidence that Newcastle is made with tap water rather than their own well (much more common for beer distributors)? In addition, the Flourine incorporates into the crystal structure of your teeth. Unless your digestive system is made up of crystalline enamel, than your claim is ridiculous. That is like saying that a lighter can't burn a metal box, so it can't burn a paper one either. They are made of two completely different substances. I'm sorry, but your anecdote about beer is completely irrelevant to any discussion about flourine. I encourage you to listen to Dara O'Briain's rant against anecdotes and pseudoscience, because your story is the type example. micropaleo1
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5:12pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
Inform Al wrote:
micropaleo1 wrote:
It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million.

Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one.

And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay.

I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.
Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.
Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda.

As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified.

For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.
As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples.
Do you have any evidence that Newcastle is made with tap water rather than their own well (much more common for beer distributors)? In addition, the Flourine incorporates into the crystal structure of your teeth. Unless your digestive system is made up of crystalline enamel, than your claim is ridiculous. That is like saying that a lighter can't burn a metal box, so it can't burn a paper one either. They are made of two completely different substances.

I'm sorry, but your anecdote about beer is completely irrelevant to any discussion about flourine. I encourage you to listen to Dara O'Briain's rant against anecdotes and pseudoscience, because your story is the type example.
Actually fluoride does interact within the digestive tract, proven, and my reaction to the fluoride in Newcastle Brown was not instantaneous with the fluoridation of the drinking water but obviously after the well used by Newcastle and Scottish became contaminated. I read today that children in Ireland are now suffering from fluorosis on their teeth, yet another sideline of this poison. I suggest you make some effort to get the facts before you rant on in support of poisoning the water supply in order to achieve a result that will result from decent parenting
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Inform Al[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: It amazes me that there are still people in the world who oppose flouridation of the water supply. I moved here over a year ago where the flouridation question was solved 50 years ago. And you know something, there have been no demonstrated negative effects of flouridation in the States. Only one commenter here has even bothered posting any reason behind the opposition, the Harvard study that looked at villages in China. But even the authors of that study explicitly state that the conclusions do not apply to the western world. The villages that showed the (slight) decrease in IQ had flouride concentrations of 7 parts per million. The control groups that the study looked at for the low flouridation levels were as high as 0.8 parts per million. I honestly don't know what the proposed levels are for this area (because the reporting on this issue has been sadly lacking in actual facts), but if they are anything like the levels in the states it will be between 0.4 and 0.7 parts per million. Allow me to reiterate: There have been NO studies showing detrimental effects of flouridated water at low levels. There have been thousands of studies showing the positive health benefits. And it goes way beyond just nice looking teeth. The rates of heart disease and gum disease go way down in regions where the water is flouridated. Simply put, flouridating water saves lives! It would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. There is a reason that British teeth are mocked the world over. It isn't just a stereotype. I have lived here for long enough; it is truth. Flouridation won't solve the entire problem. Convincing people to go to the dentist, and care for their teeth would finish it off. But bad dental hygiene leads to heart disease and other negative effects. If any country needs flouridation, it is this one. And to Sircumfrins, who states the fact that there are non-flouridated toothpastes as proof that flouridation is unnecessary, your argument is specious. There is a difference between merely cleaning your teeth and keeping them healthy. A non-flouridated toothpaste can do a fine job cleaning your teeth, just as spraying water at your car will do a fine job getting the mud off. But if you want to protect your car's paint you use various products such as wax. The same applies with your teeth. Flouridation makes the enamel stronger, that is a fact. You can go to any chemist and ask them which is stronger, carboxyapatite, or flourapatite, and they will tell you that flourapatite is demonstrably stronger and does a better job resisting decay. I know this is a long post, but I felt I needed to address this backwards thinking about flouridation. I come from a country where science isn't exactly respected highly. But some of the comments here have made the US Republican Party look like scientific geniuses.[/p][/quote]Coeliac disease is on the increase, it would be interesting to learn if this is significant in areas where the water is flouridated, but the health authorities are not likely to do the necessary research. According to recent news some children are maturing into puberty as early as 8 years of age and no credible reason is being given. It is folly to claim that fluoridation has shown no signs of murdering anyone as you don't have to die to be adversly affected. I myself have a history of getting the trotts when in fluoridated areas and cannot drink beer produced in the Midlands or Newcastle without massive hangovers on small consumption, whereas I drank 9 pints of Shepherd Neame 'Spitfire' the other evening without any trace of a hangover. This beer is produced in fluoride free Kent. It is beyond belief that the authorities have got away with the claim that the amount is too small to adversly affect us but is large enough to have a beneficial effect on teeth. Just does not add up.[/p][/quote]Autism is also on the increase. As is mad cow and drowning. But that doesn't mean flouride is to blame for it. There is zero evidence linking flouride to any illness. The anti-flouride 'science' is identical in every way to the anti-vaccine conspiracies: built on misdirection and propoganda. As for digestive troubles, that has absolutely nothing to do with flouride. The flouride molecules are way to small to interact directly with your digestive systems. digestive distress when you visit other localities is either stress caused from the travel, or your bodies inability to deal with the local bacterial population in the tap water. Every location has its own bacteria in the water, even when it has been purified. For the beer, hangovers from different types of beers have nothing to do with flourine and everything to do with the specific water to alcohol ratio. Your body gets used to certain ratios. That is why people who grow up at vineyards can drink wine all day long and yet a little beer and they are toasted. I would suggest that 9 pints of Spitfire is way worse for you than a lifetime of flouridated water.[/p][/quote]As I was able to drink Newcastle Brown until about 1969 without any problem, it was my favourite tipple, I started then getting 'hangovers' on just one pint, that was after the Newcastle water was poisoned with fluoride so your argument does not hold water. I repeat however that if the fluoride levels are too minimal to affect my digestive bsystem, then it follows they are too minimal to do anything for my teeth. Simples.[/p][/quote]Do you have any evidence that Newcastle is made with tap water rather than their own well (much more common for beer distributors)? In addition, the Flourine incorporates into the crystal structure of your teeth. Unless your digestive system is made up of crystalline enamel, than your claim is ridiculous. That is like saying that a lighter can't burn a metal box, so it can't burn a paper one either. They are made of two completely different substances. I'm sorry, but your anecdote about beer is completely irrelevant to any discussion about flourine. I encourage you to listen to Dara O'Briain's rant against anecdotes and pseudoscience, because your story is the type example.[/p][/quote]Actually fluoride does interact within the digestive tract, proven, and my reaction to the fluoride in Newcastle Brown was not instantaneous with the fluoridation of the drinking water but obviously after the well used by Newcastle and Scottish became contaminated. I read today that children in Ireland are now suffering from fluorosis on their teeth, yet another sideline of this poison. I suggest you make some effort to get the facts before you rant on in support of poisoning the water supply in order to achieve a result that will result from decent parenting Inform Al
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6:38pm Sun 4 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

@Inform Al- I didn't quote the thread because the length of each reply was getting out of control.

I advise you read up on fluorosis. The occurence in Ireland is 23% have minor fluorosis with 3% moderate to severe. Fluorosis is purely aesthetic and not a health risk at all. Minor fluorosis is only visible to dental health professionals. The studies on fluorosis in Ireland show that almost every single moderate to severe case is either linked to the early introduction of flouridated toothpastes between the ages of 12 and 18 months, or flouride contamination from coal mining.

Are you really concerned about an almost invisible cosmetic problem? Do you really find it more pressing than the very real dental and health problems you are forcing upon the children by denying them flouridation?

As for the digestive to flourine link: the studies show you need over 250 mg/liter to impact the digestive track. The proposal is close to 0.1 mg/liter. You would have to drink 2,500 liters of water at proposed levels without urinating to be impacted in the digestive tract. You claim it is proven, but don't provide any evidence because the proof is in your head. I am sorry, but just because you read it on Joe's blog doesn't make it true. Try reading some actual literature on the subject and you will learn you are making hay
@Inform Al- I didn't quote the thread because the length of each reply was getting out of control. I advise you read up on fluorosis. The occurence in Ireland is 23% have minor fluorosis with 3% moderate to severe. Fluorosis is purely aesthetic and not a health risk at all. Minor fluorosis is only visible to dental health professionals. The studies on fluorosis in Ireland show that almost every single moderate to severe case is either linked to the early introduction of flouridated toothpastes between the ages of 12 and 18 months, or flouride contamination from coal mining. Are you really concerned about an almost invisible cosmetic problem? Do you really find it more pressing than the very real dental and health problems you are forcing upon the children by denying them flouridation? As for the digestive to flourine link: the studies show you need over 250 mg/liter to impact the digestive track. The proposal is close to 0.1 mg/liter. You would have to drink 2,500 liters of water at proposed levels without urinating to be impacted in the digestive tract. You claim it is proven, but don't provide any evidence because the proof is in your head. I am sorry, but just because you read it on Joe's blog doesn't make it true. Try reading some actual literature on the subject and you will learn you are making hay micropaleo1
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6:39pm Sun 4 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

making hay out of nothing.
making hay out of nothing. micropaleo1
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7:25pm Sun 4 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
@Inform Al- I didn't quote the thread because the length of each reply was getting out of control.

I advise you read up on fluorosis. The occurence in Ireland is 23% have minor fluorosis with 3% moderate to severe. Fluorosis is purely aesthetic and not a health risk at all. Minor fluorosis is only visible to dental health professionals. The studies on fluorosis in Ireland show that almost every single moderate to severe case is either linked to the early introduction of flouridated toothpastes between the ages of 12 and 18 months, or flouride contamination from coal mining.

Are you really concerned about an almost invisible cosmetic problem? Do you really find it more pressing than the very real dental and health problems you are forcing upon the children by denying them flouridation?

As for the digestive to flourine link: the studies show you need over 250 mg/liter to impact the digestive track. The proposal is close to 0.1 mg/liter. You would have to drink 2,500 liters of water at proposed levels without urinating to be impacted in the digestive tract. You claim it is proven, but don't provide any evidence because the proof is in your head. I am sorry, but just because you read it on Joe's blog doesn't make it true. Try reading some actual literature on the subject and you will learn you are making hay
Didn't realise you were so knowledgeable, wish that what you profess to know is really true. Reality is you have made your mind up to accept the drivel you are fed by those with a vested interest in poisoning you. If you believe that the amount supplied is sufficient to treat teeth and nothing else in the body, you are living in a dream world
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: @Inform Al- I didn't quote the thread because the length of each reply was getting out of control. I advise you read up on fluorosis. The occurence in Ireland is 23% have minor fluorosis with 3% moderate to severe. Fluorosis is purely aesthetic and not a health risk at all. Minor fluorosis is only visible to dental health professionals. The studies on fluorosis in Ireland show that almost every single moderate to severe case is either linked to the early introduction of flouridated toothpastes between the ages of 12 and 18 months, or flouride contamination from coal mining. Are you really concerned about an almost invisible cosmetic problem? Do you really find it more pressing than the very real dental and health problems you are forcing upon the children by denying them flouridation? As for the digestive to flourine link: the studies show you need over 250 mg/liter to impact the digestive track. The proposal is close to 0.1 mg/liter. You would have to drink 2,500 liters of water at proposed levels without urinating to be impacted in the digestive tract. You claim it is proven, but don't provide any evidence because the proof is in your head. I am sorry, but just because you read it on Joe's blog doesn't make it true. Try reading some actual literature on the subject and you will learn you are making hay[/p][/quote]Didn't realise you were so knowledgeable, wish that what you profess to know is really true. Reality is you have made your mind up to accept the drivel you are fed by those with a vested interest in poisoning you. If you believe that the amount supplied is sufficient to treat teeth and nothing else in the body, you are living in a dream world Inform Al
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9:23pm Sun 4 Nov 12

VictorMeldrew says...

Anyone can have fluoride. Just ignore the don't swallow instructions on the toothpaste tube. Are the warnings there for no reason? One glass of fluoridated water gives you the same amount of fluoride as one pea sized don't swallow portion of toothpaste.

Businesses should start to get worried about the boycott of Southampton that will happen if the disgraceful SHA gets it's way.
Anyone can have fluoride. Just ignore the don't swallow instructions on the toothpaste tube. Are the warnings there for no reason? One glass of fluoridated water gives you the same amount of fluoride as one pea sized don't swallow portion of toothpaste. Businesses should start to get worried about the boycott of Southampton that will happen if the disgraceful SHA gets it's way. VictorMeldrew
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9:35pm Sun 4 Nov 12

VictorMeldrew says...

Fluorosis is the visible negative side effect of fluoride ingestion. The effects on the rest of the body are more serious but ignored by the dentists advising the SHA.
Fluorosis is the visible negative side effect of fluoride ingestion. The effects on the rest of the body are more serious but ignored by the dentists advising the SHA. VictorMeldrew
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1:30am Mon 5 Nov 12

micropaleo1 says...

You guys really need to do some research of the risks and benefits of fluoridated water, because the number of untrue statements here are ridiculous. Please, go talk to your dentist. It takes 5-10 grams of fluoride for a 12 stone man to start showing symptoms of fluoride toxicity. At 1.0 ppm as is proposed for this region you would have to drink 5000 liters without urinating to reach toxic levels.

I grew up on fluoridated water, and I have perfect teeth. Everyone I know grew up on fluoridated water, and let me tell you, we are a healthy bunch.

There has never been demonstrated negative health effects of fluoridated water. It has never happened.

Yes, too much fluoride can be bad for you, but you can overdose on vitamin C or even water. Too much of anything is bad for you. But to succumb to the fear mongering of the anti-fluoridation crowd is as bad as the anti-vaccine crowd. It is embarrassing that I even have to post here. These questions were answered in the 1950s.

I thought the UK was pro-science when I moved here. Turns out I was wrong. You have your climate change denier, anti-evolution, anti-fluoridation nut jobs here too.
You guys really need to do some research of the risks and benefits of fluoridated water, because the number of untrue statements here are ridiculous. Please, go talk to your dentist. It takes 5-10 grams of fluoride for a 12 stone man to start showing symptoms of fluoride toxicity. At 1.0 ppm as is proposed for this region you would have to drink 5000 liters without urinating to reach toxic levels. I grew up on fluoridated water, and I have perfect teeth. Everyone I know grew up on fluoridated water, and let me tell you, we are a healthy bunch. There has never been demonstrated negative health effects of fluoridated water. It has never happened. Yes, too much fluoride can be bad for you, but you can overdose on vitamin C or even water. Too much of anything is bad for you. But to succumb to the fear mongering of the anti-fluoridation crowd is as bad as the anti-vaccine crowd. It is embarrassing that I even have to post here. These questions were answered in the 1950s. I thought the UK was pro-science when I moved here. Turns out I was wrong. You have your climate change denier, anti-evolution, anti-fluoridation nut jobs here too. micropaleo1
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1:08pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Inform Al says...

micropaleo1 wrote:
You guys really need to do some research of the risks and benefits of fluoridated water, because the number of untrue statements here are ridiculous. Please, go talk to your dentist. It takes 5-10 grams of fluoride for a 12 stone man to start showing symptoms of fluoride toxicity. At 1.0 ppm as is proposed for this region you would have to drink 5000 liters without urinating to reach toxic levels.

I grew up on fluoridated water, and I have perfect teeth. Everyone I know grew up on fluoridated water, and let me tell you, we are a healthy bunch.

There has never been demonstrated negative health effects of fluoridated water. It has never happened.

Yes, too much fluoride can be bad for you, but you can overdose on vitamin C or even water. Too much of anything is bad for you. But to succumb to the fear mongering of the anti-fluoridation crowd is as bad as the anti-vaccine crowd. It is embarrassing that I even have to post here. These questions were answered in the 1950s.

I thought the UK was pro-science when I moved here. Turns out I was wrong. You have your climate change denier, anti-evolution, anti-fluoridation nut jobs here too.
And we have more than our fair share of foriegn morons who think they know it all living here.
[quote][p][bold]micropaleo1[/bold] wrote: You guys really need to do some research of the risks and benefits of fluoridated water, because the number of untrue statements here are ridiculous. Please, go talk to your dentist. It takes 5-10 grams of fluoride for a 12 stone man to start showing symptoms of fluoride toxicity. At 1.0 ppm as is proposed for this region you would have to drink 5000 liters without urinating to reach toxic levels. I grew up on fluoridated water, and I have perfect teeth. Everyone I know grew up on fluoridated water, and let me tell you, we are a healthy bunch. There has never been demonstrated negative health effects of fluoridated water. It has never happened. Yes, too much fluoride can be bad for you, but you can overdose on vitamin C or even water. Too much of anything is bad for you. But to succumb to the fear mongering of the anti-fluoridation crowd is as bad as the anti-vaccine crowd. It is embarrassing that I even have to post here. These questions were answered in the 1950s. I thought the UK was pro-science when I moved here. Turns out I was wrong. You have your climate change denier, anti-evolution, anti-fluoridation nut jobs here too.[/p][/quote]And we have more than our fair share of foriegn morons who think they know it all living here. Inform Al
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3:20pm Mon 5 Nov 12

Subject48 says...

@micropaleo1 I refuse to be lectured by someone who comes from a country which has elected Bush... TWICE.

Flouridation has no effect on IQ ? I beg to differ.

You are forgeting everytime you wash your hands/drink/have a shower your body will be absorbing the particles, not just oraly.

Unless you can show concrete, beneficial, 100% proof without shadow of a doubt, then you have no right to force this upon the population.

This argument is about the principles of a democratic society. Not that someone from the blind land of PAX AMERICA would understand.

And the only reason I have ridiculed you based on where you are from, is because its the line of argument you have spouted which automaticaly discredits you as anyone with half a brain.

The actual argument here is that out of principle, democracy should not allow for substance(harmful or not is irrelevant) to be administered to a population which when consulted, said they dont want it.

Otherwise you might as well scrap human rights and run a regieme where the state does what it feels will benefit the public for the greater good. I like the idea.

Problem is, who would be trustworthy and get to decide what the "greater good" is?
@micropaleo1 I refuse to be lectured by someone who comes from a country which has elected Bush... TWICE. Flouridation has no effect on IQ ? I beg to differ. You are forgeting everytime you wash your hands/drink/have a shower your body will be absorbing the particles, not just oraly. Unless you can show concrete, beneficial, 100% proof without shadow of a doubt, then you have no right to force this upon the population. This argument is about the principles of a democratic society. Not that someone from the blind land of PAX AMERICA would understand. And the only reason I have ridiculed you based on where you are from, is because its the line of argument you have spouted which automaticaly discredits you as anyone with half a brain. The actual argument here is that out of principle, democracy should not allow for substance(harmful or not is irrelevant) to be administered to a population which when consulted, said they dont want it. Otherwise you might as well scrap human rights and run a regieme where the state does what it feels will benefit the public for the greater good. I like the idea. Problem is, who would be trustworthy and get to decide what the "greater good" is? Subject48
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7:06pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Fluoride: Iceland, Thyroid Cancer, Cremation & Volcanic Dust.


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This could be of interest to anyone who lives next to Southampton's Crematorium in Bassett.


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For those of you that aren't aware, Cremation is rather bad for the environment. Burning a body results in nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, mercury, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride and a host of other heavy metals being released into the atmosphere.

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Toxic (Fluoride) ash threatens Iceland animals.

11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010.

Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust.

The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss.

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http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/world/europe/
8629241.stm

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Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer.

Country Incidence per 100,000 individuals.

1) Iceland .

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http://www.aneki.com
/thyroid_cancer_coun
tries.html
Fluoride: Iceland, Thyroid Cancer, Cremation & Volcanic Dust. - This could be of interest to anyone who lives next to Southampton's Crematorium in Bassett. - For those of you that aren't aware, Cremation is rather bad for the environment. Burning a body results in nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide, particulate matter, mercury, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride and a host of other heavy metals being released into the atmosphere. - Toxic (Fluoride) ash threatens Iceland animals. 11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010. Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust. The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss. - http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/world/europe/ 8629241.stm - Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer. Country Incidence per 100,000 individuals. 1) Iceland . - http://www.aneki.com /thyroid_cancer_coun tries.html Dan Soton
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8:59pm Sun 11 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

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It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

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it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

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The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice
.gov.uk/climate/uk/m
i/print.html

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Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

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http://www.birmingha
mmail.co.uk/news/loc
al-news/vitamin-sche
me-launched-as-ricke
ts-returns-149080
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080 Dan Soton
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1:11pm Wed 14 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice

.gov.uk/climate/uk/m

i/print.html

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Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha

mmail.co.uk/news/loc

al-news/vitamin-sche

me-launched-as-ricke

ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

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Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

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EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti
jw


-


I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free. Dan Soton
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3:18am Fri 23 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice


.gov.uk/climate/uk/m


i/print.html

-



Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha


mmail.co.uk/news/loc


al-news/vitamin-sche


me-launched-as-ricke


ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

-


Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

-


EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti

jw


-


I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy.

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We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries.


It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver.


If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water.


I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo.


I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer.


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Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

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VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH.

-


http://www.birmingha
mmail.co.uk/news/loc
al-news/vitamin-sche
me-launched-as-ricke
ts-returns-149080
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.[/p][/quote]Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy. - We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries. It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver. If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water. I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo. I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer. - Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080 Dan Soton
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5:10pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice



.gov.uk/climate/uk/m



i/print.html

-



Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha



mmail.co.uk/news/loc



al-news/vitamin-sche



me-launched-as-ricke



ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

-


Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

-


EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c


om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti


jw


-


I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy.

-


We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries.


It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver.


If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water.


I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo.


I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer.


-


Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH.

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http://www.birmingha

mmail.co.uk/news/loc

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1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot

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We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer.

West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964.




PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.


Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

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http://www.sph.nhs.u
k/sph-documents/Fina
l_Head_-_Neck_Profil
es_04May2010.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.[/p][/quote]Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy. - We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries. It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver. If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water. I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo. I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer. - Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer. West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964. PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf Dan Soton
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6:30pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer.

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We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer.

The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them.

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TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS.

11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010.

Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust.

"The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask.

The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss.

-

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/world/europe/
8629241.stm

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COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER.

Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer.

1) ICELAND .


-

http://www.aneki.com
/thyroid_cancer_coun
tries.html

-



PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u
k/sph-documents/Fina
l_Head_-_Neck_Profil
es_04May2010.pdf
Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer. - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer. The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them. - TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS. 11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010. Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust. "The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask. The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss. - http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/world/europe/ 8629241.stm - COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER. Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer. 1) ICELAND . - http://www.aneki.com /thyroid_cancer_coun tries.html - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf Dan Soton
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6:34pm Sat 24 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice




.gov.uk/climate/uk/m




i/print.html

-



Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha




mmail.co.uk/news/loc




al-news/vitamin-sche




me-launched-as-ricke




ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

-


Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

-


EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c



om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti



jw


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I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy.

-


We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries.


It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver.


If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water.


I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo.


I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer.


-


Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH.

-


http://www.birmingha


mmail.co.uk/news/loc


al-news/vitamin-sche


me-launched-as-ricke


ts-returns-149080
1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot

-


We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer.

West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964.




PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.


Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u

k/sph-documents/Fina

l_Head_-_Neck_Profil

es_04May2010.pdf
Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer.

-


We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer.

The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them.

-



TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS.

11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010.

Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust.

"The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask.

The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss.

-

http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/world/europe/
8629241.stm

-



COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER.

Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer.

1) ICELAND .


-

http://www.aneki.com
/thyroid_cancer_coun
tries.html

-



PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u
k/sph-documents/Fina
l_Head_-_Neck_Profil
es_04May2010.pdf
[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.[/p][/quote]Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy. - We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries. It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver. If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water. I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo. I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer. - Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer. West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964. PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf[/p][/quote]Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer. - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer. The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them. - TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS. 11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010. Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust. "The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask. The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss. - http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/world/europe/ 8629241.stm - COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER. Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer. 1) ICELAND . - http://www.aneki.com /thyroid_cancer_coun tries.html - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf Dan Soton
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4:58pm Sun 25 Nov 12

Dan Soton says...

Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Dan Soton wrote:
Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice





.gov.uk/climate/uk/m





i/print.html

-



Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha





mmail.co.uk/news/loc





al-news/vitamin-sche





me-launched-as-ricke





ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

-


Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

-


EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c




om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti




jw


-


I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy.

-


We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries.


It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver.


If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water.


I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo.


I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer.


-


Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

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VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH.

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http://www.birmingha



mmail.co.uk/news/loc



al-news/vitamin-sche



me-launched-as-ricke



ts-returns-149080
1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot

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We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer.

West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964.




PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.


Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u


k/sph-documents/Fina


l_Head_-_Neck_Profil


es_04May2010.pdf
Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer.

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We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer.

The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them.

-



TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS.

11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010.

Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust.

"The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask.

The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss.

-

http://news.bbc.co.u

k/1/hi/world/europe/

8629241.stm

-



COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER.

Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer.

1) ICELAND .


-

http://www.aneki.com

/thyroid_cancer_coun

tries.html

-



PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u

k/sph-documents/Fina

l_Head_-_Neck_Profil

es_04May2010.pdf
Epigenetics: Fluoride.. Toxins change DNA/Chromosomes.. Chromosomes linked to cancer.

-


Why would anyone deliberately expose humanity/pregnant women to Toxic Fluoride when Epigenetics tells us Toxins, Lifestyle, and what we eat or drink can change ( gene mutation) our DNA/Chromosomes.

-

Wikipedia: Epigenetics.. http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Epigenetics



-

THREE CANCERS SHARE GENETIC LINK

19 August 2011.

By James Gallagher Health reporter, BBC News

CHROMOSOME CHROMOSOMES CONTAIN GENETIC INFORMATION - TOO MANY OR TOO FEW COULD LEAD TO CANCER.

A gene has been linked to at least three cancers in different tissues in the body, US researchers say.

Dr Julie Sharp, senior science information manager at Cancer Research UK, said: "Scientists have known for more than 100 years that having too many or too few chromosomes is linked to cancer and these results suggest that this is not just a characteristic but a cause of the disease.

"Their discovery sheds light on how chromosome numbers can be altered when cells divide and presents researchers with new ways to tackle cancer by designing drugs to upset this chain of events.

-


http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/health-1456205
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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.[/p][/quote]Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy. - We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries. It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver. If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water. I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo. I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer. - Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer. West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964. PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf[/p][/quote]Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer. - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer. The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them. - TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS. 11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010. Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust. "The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask. The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss. - http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/world/europe/ 8629241.stm - COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER. Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer. 1) ICELAND . - http://www.aneki.com /thyroid_cancer_coun tries.html - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf[/p][/quote]Epigenetics: Fluoride.. Toxins change DNA/Chromosomes.. Chromosomes linked to cancer. - Why would anyone deliberately expose humanity/pregnant women to Toxic Fluoride when Epigenetics tells us Toxins, Lifestyle, and what we eat or drink can change ( gene mutation) our DNA/Chromosomes. - Wikipedia: Epigenetics.. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Epigenetics - THREE CANCERS SHARE GENETIC LINK 19 August 2011. By James Gallagher Health reporter, BBC News CHROMOSOME CHROMOSOMES CONTAIN GENETIC INFORMATION - TOO MANY OR TOO FEW COULD LEAD TO CANCER. A gene has been linked to at least three cancers in different tissues in the body, US researchers say. Dr Julie Sharp, senior science information manager at Cancer Research UK, said: "Scientists have known for more than 100 years that having too many or too few chromosomes is linked to cancer and these results suggest that this is not just a characteristic but a cause of the disease. "Their discovery sheds light on how chromosome numbers can be altered when cells divide and presents researchers with new ways to tackle cancer by designing drugs to upset this chain of events. - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/health-1456205 4 Dan Soton
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Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s.

-


it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation?

-



The Met Office.

SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS.

Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary.

These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites

-

http://www.metoffice






.gov.uk/climate/uk/m






i/print.html

-



Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month.

-

http://www.birmingha






mmail.co.uk/news/loc






al-news/vitamin-sche






me-launched-as-ricke






ts-returns-149080
Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham?

-


Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.?

-


EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."

-


VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB.

Published on Nov 8, 2012.

Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics.

VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS..

-

http://www.youtube.c





om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti





jw


-


I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.
Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy.

-


We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries.


It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver.


If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water.


I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo.


I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer.


-


Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation?

-


VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM.

24 Feb 2011.

CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease.

Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight.

Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head.

BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH.

-


http://www.birmingha




mmail.co.uk/news/loc




al-news/vitamin-sche




me-launched-as-ricke




ts-returns-149080
1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot

-


We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer.

West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964.




PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.


Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u



k/sph-documents/Fina



l_Head_-_Neck_Profil



es_04May2010.pdf
Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer.

-


We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer.

The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them.

-



TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS.

11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010.

Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust.

"The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask.

The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss.

-

http://news.bbc.co.u


k/1/hi/world/europe/


8629241.stm

-



COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER.

Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer.

1) ICELAND .


-

http://www.aneki.com


/thyroid_cancer_coun


tries.html

-



PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL.

Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006.

The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period.

East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases.

AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX.

-


http://www.sph.nhs.u


k/sph-documents/Fina


l_Head_-_Neck_Profil


es_04May2010.pdf
Epigenetics: Fluoride.. Toxins change DNA/Chromosomes.. Chromosomes linked to cancer.

-


Why would anyone deliberately expose humanity/pregnant women to Toxic Fluoride when Epigenetics tells us Toxins, Lifestyle, and what we eat or drink can change ( gene mutation) our DNA/Chromosomes.

-

Wikipedia: Epigenetics.. http://en.wikipedia.

org/wiki/Epigenetics




-

THREE CANCERS SHARE GENETIC LINK

19 August 2011.

By James Gallagher Health reporter, BBC News

CHROMOSOME CHROMOSOMES CONTAIN GENETIC INFORMATION - TOO MANY OR TOO FEW COULD LEAD TO CANCER.

A gene has been linked to at least three cancers in different tissues in the body, US researchers say.

Dr Julie Sharp, senior science information manager at Cancer Research UK, said: "Scientists have known for more than 100 years that having too many or too few chromosomes is linked to cancer and these results suggest that this is not just a characteristic but a cause of the disease.

"Their discovery sheds light on how chromosome numbers can be altered when cells divide and presents researchers with new ways to tackle cancer by designing drugs to upset this chain of events.

-


http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/health-1456205

4
Epigenetics: Fluoridation advocates take away our right to strive for a better world.

-


Epigenetics tells us that from the beginning of time are genes have been constantly pursuing a safer, healthier, less toxic world.


my unqualified view is, at best Fluoridation advocates are taking away our right to strive for a better world at worst turning back/destroying the human clock.

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EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE.

Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS.

Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered."




BBC HORIZON - EPIGENETICS - THE GHOST IN YOUR GENES.

published on 29 Aug 2012.

Biology stands on the brink of a shift in the understanding of inheritance. The discovery of epigenetics -- hidden influences upon the genes -- could affect every aspect of our lives.

EPIGENETICS ADDS A WHOLE NEW LAYER TO GENES BEYOND THE DNA. IT PROPOSES A CONTROL SYSTEM OF 'SWITCHES' THAT TURN GENES ON OR OFF -- AND SUGGESTS THAT THINGS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE, LIKE NUTRITION AND STRESS, CAN CONTROL THESE SWITCHES AND CAUSE HERITABLE EFFECTS IN HUMANS.

research has demonstrated that genes and the environment are not mutually exclusive but are inextricably intertwined, one affecting the other.

The idea that inheritance is not just about which genes you inherit but whether these are switched on or off is a whole new frontier in biology. It raises questions with huge implications, and means the search will be on to find what sort of environmental effects can affect these switches.

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YOUTUBE VIDEO BBC HORIZON - EPIGENETICS.

-

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=FvDgcdxPA
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[quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dan Soton[/bold] wrote: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - It's a no brainer.. Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s. - it's well known that Fluoride binds with calcium in the blood stream and after just a few days of heavy exposure makes bones frail, even causing teeth to crumble.. knowing that why would anyone expose a fetus or an under-five to Water Fluoridation? - The Met Office. SINCE THE CLEAN AIR ACT OF 1956 AND A DECLINE IN HEAVY INDUSTRY, THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN SUNSHINE DURATION OVER THE INDUSTRIAL MIDLANDS. Average annual sunshine durations over the MIDLANDS RANGE FROM LESS THAN 1350 HOURS IN THE HIGHER NORTHERN AND WESTERN FRINGES TO ABOUT 1500 HOURS near the southern boundary. These figures compare with values of LESS THAN 1100 HOURS A YEAR IN THE SHETLAND ISLANDS to over 1750 hours along the south coast of England and over 1900 hours in the Channel Islands. The tendency for convective cloud to develop over inland areas in summer leads to sunshine averages that are lower than coastal sites - http://www.metoffice .gov.uk/climate/uk/m i/print.html - Vitamin scheme launched as rickets returns to Birmingham. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. Britain’s chief medical officer, Dame Sally Davies, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS for diseases such as rickets last month. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]Epigenetics. How can Fluoridation be responsible for the re-emergence of Rickets in Birmingham? - Birmingham introduced Water Fluoridation in the 1960s, can Fluoride progressively weaken genes leaving every new Generation more vulnerable to Rickets and its related bone softening diseases.? - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." - VIDEO EPIGENETICS: BBC TWO, DARA O` BRIAIN'S SCIENCE CLUB. Published on Nov 8, 2012. Dara is joined by neuroscientist Tali Sharot, who explores the cutting-edge science of epigenetics. VIDEO EPIGENETICS@46 MINS.. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=S9jqTaLti jw - I can only conclude.. instead of adding to Southampton's naturally occurring fluoride Southern Water should be filtering it out , at least till all toothpaste is fluoride free.[/p][/quote]Inform Al.. Here's an Aluminum/Fluoride double whammy. - We learn today from Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES that deaths in the U.K from liver disease have increased by a fifth between 2000 and 2009, while they have dropped by around the same amount in most comparable European countries. It's well known that the aluminium in beer kegs/cans is none too healthy for your kidney/liver. If as you say you say some beers are brewed using fluoridated water. I'd say aluminum and fluoride mixed is a lethal combo. I'd also say Britain’s chief medical officer, PROFESSOR DAME SALLY DAVIES has more than a few questions on the safety of water Fluoridation to answer. - Re: Birmingham: under-fives treated for Rickets.. Blame Diet & lack of Sunlight or Fluoridation? - VITAMIN SCHEME LAUNCHED AS RICKETS RETURNS TO BIRMINGHAM. 24 Feb 2011. CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN across Birmingham are being targeted in a free vitamin drive after the re-emergence of a Victorian poverty disease. Cases of rickets in the city have surged in the past year – caused by a severe lack of Vitamin D and not getting enough exposure to sunlight. Modern day lifestyles of unhealthy food and also smothering children in sunscreen is being blamed for the disease, thought to have been eradicated 50 years ago, rearing its head. BRITAIN'S CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, DAME SALLY DAVIES, WARNED PARENTS TO GIVE ALL UNDER-FIVES VITAMIN D SUPPLEMENTS FOR DISEASES SUCH AS RICKETS LAST MONTH. - http://www.birmingha mmail.co.uk/news/loc al-news/vitamin-sche me-launched-as-ricke ts-returns-149080[/p][/quote]1990–2006 UK Thyroid Cancer doubles.. Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden No 1 hot spot - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer. West Midlands, Birmingham, Solihull/Arden fluoridation scheme started in 1964. PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf[/p][/quote]Iceland: Fluoridated Birmingham Solihull/Arden UKs No 1 hot spot for Thyroid Cancer. - We are told by Fluoridation advocates that Fluoride does not raise the risk of Cancer yet Fluoridated Arden is the UKs No 1 Thyroid Cancer hot spot and Iceland has worlds highest Incidence of Thyroid Cancer. The only difference.. the Brumbies of Arden are force fed Fluoride in their water supply, the Icelanders have no choice in the matter, Toxic (Fluoride) Ash rains down on them. - TOXIC (FLUORIDE) ASH THREATENS ICELAND ANIMALS. 11:33 GMT, Monday, 19 April 2010. Farmers in southern Iceland have been racing to protect their animals from being poisoned by volcanic dust. "The risk is of fluoride poisoning if they breathe or eat too much," Berglind Hilmarsdottir, a dairy farmer from Nupur, told the AP news agency through a protective white dust mask. The animals are at risk of fluoride poisoning if they inhale or ingest the ash, leading to internal bleeding, long-term bone damage and teeth loss. - http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/world/europe/ 8629241.stm - COUNTRIES WITH THE HIGHEST INCIDENCE OF THYROID CANCER. Countries With the Highest Incidence of thyroid Cancer. 1) ICELAND . - http://www.aneki.com /thyroid_cancer_coun tries.html - PROFILE OF HEAD AND NECK CANCERS IN ENGLAND: INCIDENCE, MORTALITY AND SURVIVAL. Trends in the incidence of thyroid gland cancer in England, 1990–2006. The incidence of thyroid cancer has nearly doubled • in the study period. East Midland and North of England, the largest Cancer Networks, have as expected the greatest total number of cases. AGE STANDARDISED RATES (PER 100,000 POPULATION) VARY FROM 3.39 IN ARDEN, TO 1.97 IN SUSSEX. - http://www.sph.nhs.u k/sph-documents/Fina l_Head_-_Neck_Profil es_04May2010.pdf[/p][/quote]Epigenetics: Fluoride.. Toxins change DNA/Chromosomes.. Chromosomes linked to cancer. - Why would anyone deliberately expose humanity/pregnant women to Toxic Fluoride when Epigenetics tells us Toxins, Lifestyle, and what we eat or drink can change ( gene mutation) our DNA/Chromosomes. - Wikipedia: Epigenetics.. http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Epigenetics - THREE CANCERS SHARE GENETIC LINK 19 August 2011. By James Gallagher Health reporter, BBC News CHROMOSOME CHROMOSOMES CONTAIN GENETIC INFORMATION - TOO MANY OR TOO FEW COULD LEAD TO CANCER. A gene has been linked to at least three cancers in different tissues in the body, US researchers say. Dr Julie Sharp, senior science information manager at Cancer Research UK, said: "Scientists have known for more than 100 years that having too many or too few chromosomes is linked to cancer and these results suggest that this is not just a characteristic but a cause of the disease. "Their discovery sheds light on how chromosome numbers can be altered when cells divide and presents researchers with new ways to tackle cancer by designing drugs to upset this chain of events. - http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/health-1456205 4[/p][/quote]Epigenetics: Fluoridation advocates take away our right to strive for a better world. - Epigenetics tells us that from the beginning of time are genes have been constantly pursuing a safer, healthier, less toxic world. my unqualified view is, at best Fluoridation advocates are taking away our right to strive for a better world at worst turning back/destroying the human clock. - EPIGENETICS: YOU ARE WHAT YOUR GRANDPARENTS ATE. Some chemicals may leave people vulnerable to diseases like cancer and diabetes, not by mutating genes but by turning them off or on at the wrong time. according to both animal and human studies what a pregnant mother eats and the chemicals she is exposed to can affect her offspring these changes, in turn, CAN BE PASSED ON TO THE NEXT GENERATIONS. Exposure to gene-altering substances, particularly in the womb and shortly after birth, "can lead to increased susceptibility to disease," said Linda S. Birnbaum, who was named director of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences and of the National Toxicology Program in December. "THE SUSCEPTIBILITY PERSISTS LONG AFTER THE EXPOSURE IS GONE, EVEN DECADES LATER. Glands, organs, and systems can be permanently altered." BBC HORIZON - EPIGENETICS - THE GHOST IN YOUR GENES. published on 29 Aug 2012. Biology stands on the brink of a shift in the understanding of inheritance. The discovery of epigenetics -- hidden influences upon the genes -- could affect every aspect of our lives. EPIGENETICS ADDS A WHOLE NEW LAYER TO GENES BEYOND THE DNA. IT PROPOSES A CONTROL SYSTEM OF 'SWITCHES' THAT TURN GENES ON OR OFF -- AND SUGGESTS THAT THINGS PEOPLE EXPERIENCE, LIKE NUTRITION AND STRESS, CAN CONTROL THESE SWITCHES AND CAUSE HERITABLE EFFECTS IN HUMANS. research has demonstrated that genes and the environment are not mutually exclusive but are inextricably intertwined, one affecting the other. The idea that inheritance is not just about which genes you inherit but whether these are switched on or off is a whole new frontier in biology. It raises questions with huge implications, and means the search will be on to find what sort of environmental effects can affect these switches. - YOUTUBE VIDEO BBC HORIZON - EPIGENETICS. - http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=FvDgcdxPA 2U Dan Soton
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SHA Massaging Cancer Stats/Figures.. North-South Cancer Treatment Divide
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Going by the below report how could anyone not believe.. SHA have been massaging the North-South Cancer Stats/Figures while at the same time approving fluoridation on the grounds that the health benefits (SHA says no stats to prove otherwise) outweigh all of the arguments against water fluoridation.

I've no reason not to believe the below report, if true all the members of SHA's board should be arrested.

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A REPORT BY THE RARER CANCERS FOUNDATION FOUND THAT

• Over the course of its lifetime, the Cancer Drugs Fund has the potential to benefit over 30,000 patients, enabling them to gain access to 34 drugs which would not otherwise be available on the NHS.

• More than 2,500 cancer patients have had treatment provided through the Cfud. It also shows that 187 patients were denied access to life-extending treatment between October 2010 and March 2011. THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT STRATEGIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES (SHAS) HAD A COMBINED CANCER DRUGS FUND UNDERSPEND OF £22.5 MILLION AT THE END OF MARCH 2011.

• The fund is enabling patients to access up to 34 treatments which otherwise would not have been routinely available on the NHS. Patients with bowel, kidney and blood cancers have been amongst the most significant beneficiaries of the fund.

• Shockingly the report also revealed a north-south divide in approvals, with SHAs in the south of England approving a lower proportion of applications. FOR EXAMPLE, NHS SOUTH CENTRAL APPROVED APPROXIMATELY 75% OF APPLICATIONS WHEREAS NHS NORTH EAST APPROVED EVERY APPLICATION IT RECEIVED.

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SHA Massaging Cancer Stats/Figures.. North-South Cancer Treatment Divide - . How bad is this ? Going by the below report how could anyone not believe.. SHA have been massaging the North-South Cancer Stats/Figures while at the same time approving fluoridation on the grounds that the health benefits (SHA says no stats to prove otherwise) outweigh all of the arguments against water fluoridation. I've no reason not to believe the below report, if true all the members of SHA's board should be arrested. - A REPORT BY THE RARER CANCERS FOUNDATION FOUND THAT • Over the course of its lifetime, the Cancer Drugs Fund has the potential to benefit over 30,000 patients, enabling them to gain access to 34 drugs which would not otherwise be available on the NHS. • More than 2,500 cancer patients have had treatment provided through the Cfud. It also shows that 187 patients were denied access to life-extending treatment between October 2010 and March 2011. THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT STRATEGIC HEALTH AUTHORITIES (SHAS) HAD A COMBINED CANCER DRUGS FUND UNDERSPEND OF £22.5 MILLION AT THE END OF MARCH 2011. • The fund is enabling patients to access up to 34 treatments which otherwise would not have been routinely available on the NHS. Patients with bowel, kidney and blood cancers have been amongst the most significant beneficiaries of the fund. • Shockingly the report also revealed a north-south divide in approvals, with SHAs in the south of England approving a lower proportion of applications. FOR EXAMPLE, NHS SOUTH CENTRAL APPROVED APPROXIMATELY 75% OF APPLICATIONS WHEREAS NHS NORTH EAST APPROVED EVERY APPLICATION IT RECEIVED. - http://www.guardian. co.uk/society/blog/2 011/jun/09/nhs-refor ms-live-blog Dan Soton
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