Union bosses describe enhanced redundancy pay offs as "blood money"

Ford workers are being offered pay-offs of up to £80,000 as unions prepare to ballot their members on possible strike action over the closure of Southampton’s transit plant.

Union bosses described the pay offs ass “blood money”.

It comes as the Daily Echo reveal the figure being offered to long serving workers at the Swaythling plant, as a redundancy packages, including special payments, to head off industrial action.

The motor giant wants to shut down the factory in July as part of a European cost cutting plan.

As previously revealed workers will lose the so-called “continuity”

payments of between £15,000 and £20,000 if they disrupt production by taking industrial action.

One worker, who has been at the Transit plant for 30 years, said he had been offered a package of more £80,000 and an enhanced pension.

Ford would not comment on the redundancy packages being offered to workers other than to say they were “extremely generous”.

Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms.

Unite regional officer Fred Hanna called the severance deals “blood money” and said a mass meeting of the 500 workers at the plant would be called the week after next. Members would be balloted on whether they wanted to oppose the closure, he said.

Mr Hanna said that at a meeting earlier this week Unite’s general secretary Len McCluskey had pledged to put up a war chest and make full union resources available to fight the plant closure if members voted for industrial action.

Unite leaders will also head to a European Works Council meeting in Germany next week along with counterparts from Belgium, where another Ford plant has been earmarked for closure in 2014 with the loss of 4,300 jobs.

Up to 50,000 people are expected to demonstrate in Genk next week in protest at Ford’s decision to close its 50 year old Belgian plant, which makes the Mondeo and Galaxy.

UEFA even allowed the town’s football club to broadcast messages of support for Ford workers before a Europa League match against Sporting Libson last week.

Meanwhile, public holidays in Luxembourg thwarted efforts by Hampshire Euro MPs who wanted to probe an £80m Euro loan made to a Ford plant in Turkey that will take over Southampton’s Transit workload.

The cheap loan, revealed in yesterday’s Echo, was signed off in June by the Luxembourg based European Investment Bank (EIB) to ramp up production of Transit vans at the sprawling Ford Otosan plant in Kocaeli where costs are lower.

Lib Dem Catherine Bearder said she would be calling for the loan decision to be “reviewed”, while Labour’s Peter Skinner wanted to know whether the “potential impact on UK jobs was considered when this loan was made”.

UKIP’s Nigel Farage, who uncovered details of the loan, yesterday wrote to the Chancellor George Osborne, pictured, a governor of the EIB, to demand to know why he allowed the loan to be granted, what analysis took place in relation to likely UK job losses, and if not, why not.

“It would appear the institutions of the E u ro p e a n Union have been used to ensure UK taxpayers are funding the export of their own jobs by financing soft loans to multinational corporations,” he said.

Ford last week announced it planned to close down its Southampton factory with the loss of more than 500 jobs after a sharp fall in European car sales. It is seeking to cut costs with forecasted European losses of $1.5bn this year and next.

The Treasury said it was not aware of any impending “commercial”

decision to close the Southampton plant when the EIB loan deal was agreed and stressed the Chancellor does not sit on its decision making board.

A Treasury spokesperson said: “The Ford Otosan II project was approved as part of the European Investment Bank’s support for Turkey’s integration into the European Union economy.

“The European Investment Bank makes investments in key markets outside the European Union and also within it, for instance Ford UK benefitted from up to £450 million of EIB funding in 2010. Any queries regarding the Otosan II project should be forwarded to EIB.”

“We recognise the closure of the assembly plant in Southampton and stamping and tooling operations in Dagenham will be very disappointing for workers.

“Our priority will be to help the workforce and we will be working with Ford to get them into new jobs as quickly as possible. Ford have made clear they are committed to the UK and the car manufacturing industry as a whole remains strong”.

The EIB again failed to respond to requests for comment on the Ford Otosan loan. Questions also remain over the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills’ offer of a £10m grant to Ford to develop a new low carbon diesel engine in the UK. The loan was signed off just days before Ford announced a wave of European factory closures.

Business secretary Vince Cable told this newspaper in an exclusive interview that he was unaware of Ford’s intention to close Swaythling at the time the grant was approved. But this appeared to be contradicted by the Prime Minster on Wednesday when he told MPs that “obviously these issues were discussed”.

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10:20am Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford. Linesman

10:25am Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

These union leaders must be muppets to think the workers will go on strike to 'save' a job that will no longer exist, and risk losing all that extra money.
These union leaders must be muppets to think the workers will go on strike to 'save' a job that will no longer exist, and risk losing all that extra money. hulla baloo

10:28am Fri 2 Nov 12

user12 says...

QUOTE - Our priority will be to help the workforce and we will be working with Ford to get them into new jobs as quickly as possible. Ford have made clear they are committed to the UK and the car manufacturing industry as a whole remains strong”.

Hmm so much emphasis on Ford workers.. There are a few hundred staff here who have completed a Ford role for many years but due to working for an outsourced Company will get nothing. Mr Camoron needs to support those workers too. Not all contracted staff are temporary, most of us are permanantly working for Companies with few outlets on the South Coast, employed by Fords for their expertise.
QUOTE - Our priority will be to help the workforce and we will be working with Ford to get them into new jobs as quickly as possible. Ford have made clear they are committed to the UK and the car manufacturing industry as a whole remains strong”. Hmm so much emphasis on Ford workers.. There are a few hundred staff here who have completed a Ford role for many years but due to working for an outsourced Company will get nothing. Mr Camoron needs to support those workers too. Not all contracted staff are temporary, most of us are permanantly working for Companies with few outlets on the South Coast, employed by Fords for their expertise. user12

10:47am Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's southy

10:48am Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them.... Georgem

10:58am Fri 2 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
same Sh1t different day. !!

Great journalism again "Union bosses described the pay offs **** “blood money”. (Or was the article written by the TUSC's finance minister ;o)

However, if the Unions think that then it just goes to show how out of touch they are with reality. Its not blood money, its a very generous redundancy package from a factory that is closing. Yes it would be ideal if it was staying open but it isn't.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]same Sh1t different day. !! Great journalism again "Union bosses described the pay offs **** “blood money”. (Or was the article written by the TUSC's finance minister ;o) However, if the Unions think that then it just goes to show how out of touch they are with reality. Its not blood money, its a very generous redundancy package from a factory that is closing. Yes it would be ideal if it was staying open but it isn't. Cyber__Fug

11:01am Fri 2 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Union bosses described the pay offs **** “blood money

**** blood money,,,that must be painful
Union bosses described the pay offs **** “blood money **** blood money,,,that must be painful Over the Edge

11:03am Fri 2 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

Why can the Echo write @ss blood money but Cyber_Fug and I get it **** out?

Not fair
Why can the Echo write @ss blood money but Cyber_Fug and I get it **** out? Not fair Over the Edge

11:19am Fri 2 Nov 12

G0Rf says...

How many of these "Ford" employees are going to want/need another job after recieving a £80,000+ payout?

I wouldnt want another job!
How many of these "Ford" employees are going to want/need another job after recieving a £80,000+ payout? I wouldnt want another job! G0Rf

11:20am Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in.
Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in. Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys. southy

11:22am Fri 2 Nov 12

aldermoorboy says...

Multi nationals can build factories etc anywhere in the world.
We have a better chance of them coming here/staying here if we cooperate with them.
Our militant union leaders will lose us jobs, we need modern union leaders who work with management if we want jobs for our kids.
I am sorry for those who have been made redundant, good luck for the future.
Multi nationals can build factories etc anywhere in the world. We have a better chance of them coming here/staying here if we cooperate with them. Our militant union leaders will lose us jobs, we need modern union leaders who work with management if we want jobs for our kids. I am sorry for those who have been made redundant, good luck for the future. aldermoorboy

11:25am Fri 2 Nov 12

user12 says...

Why are you all bleating on about the Politics of this closure...?? Not EVERY worker will receive £80K some of us who have given a fair few years to Fords will leave here in 8 months time with nothing but a reference, be a little more sympathetic these are people's lives you're pulling apart.
Why are you all bleating on about the Politics of this closure...?? Not EVERY worker will receive £80K some of us who have given a fair few years to Fords will leave here in 8 months time with nothing but a reference, be a little more sympathetic these are people's lives you're pulling apart. user12

11:29am Fri 2 Nov 12

jaysub says...

"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!! jaysub

11:31am Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
What do you expect? This is why contractors are used.
[quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]What do you expect? This is why contractors are used. Georgem

11:32am Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in.
Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.
Yawn.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in. Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.[/p][/quote]Yawn. Georgem

11:41am Fri 2 Nov 12

Over the Edge says...

The Government should give every adult in the country a million pounds each on the condition that those in work remain in work, they pay off their mortgage, all recipients must buy a new car made in the UK, ensure that the money is only used to book a holiday in the UK, using UK franchised trains and travel companies, the children of the new millionaires are taught in state schools that the parents contribute to, each person has their own medical insurance from a UK based insurance company, each person should agree to spend at least £250 a week on food farmed and produced in the UK, £100 pounds a week spent in UK pubs or the leisure industry (including supporting local football teams) if you need the emergency services you are billed for them, paid for out of your million pounds, anyone wishing to start their own business can do so using the million, taxes paid on all the expenditure goes directly back the Government, the Government should suspend all overseas aid and contributions to the EU bank, as charity begins at home, by given a million everyone the country would not need the state benefit system at all, everyone would not be living in poverty and the country would get a bigger buzz than any Olympic or World Cup final win.

Total Cost £90 million,

Result everyone happy to live the UK.

Just an idea
The Government should give every adult in the country a million pounds each on the condition that those in work remain in work, they pay off their mortgage, all recipients must buy a new car made in the UK, ensure that the money is only used to book a holiday in the UK, using UK franchised trains and travel companies, the children of the new millionaires are taught in state schools that the parents contribute to, each person has their own medical insurance from a UK based insurance company, each person should agree to spend at least £250 a week on food farmed and produced in the UK, £100 pounds a week spent in UK pubs or the leisure industry (including supporting local football teams) if you need the emergency services you are billed for them, paid for out of your million pounds, anyone wishing to start their own business can do so using the million, taxes paid on all the expenditure goes directly back the Government, the Government should suspend all overseas aid and contributions to the EU bank, as charity begins at home, by given a million everyone the country would not need the state benefit system at all, everyone would not be living in poverty and the country would get a bigger buzz than any Olympic or World Cup final win. Total Cost £90 million, Result everyone happy to live the UK. Just an idea Over the Edge

11:49am Fri 2 Nov 12

loosehead says...

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant?
BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end.
We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free.
Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?
[quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it? loosehead

11:54am Fri 2 Nov 12

peenut81 says...

GeorgeM, I said it yesterday, i'll say it again i believe you are the most unintelligent person in Southampton. At least Southy gets the principle if not the facts.
How does the private sector make 'profit'?
In almost every case it is heavily subsidised by the public.
No tax on air fuel. Subsidy for supermarkets/airline
s/tourism/ wealthy business commuters.
Grants to set up such as the one mentioned above.
No tax on non-doms (encourages Entrapeneurs/attract
s criminals from all over).
Tax free zones like the Olympic village for multinationals.
A tax code written by the financial service industry to benefit - the financial service industry.
I could go on but i won't.
User12, I agree, but it is important the politics are discussed because like it or not politics is everything.
GeorgeM, I said it yesterday, i'll say it again i believe you are the most unintelligent person in Southampton. At least Southy gets the principle if not the facts. How does the private sector make 'profit'? In almost every case it is heavily subsidised by the public. No tax on air fuel. Subsidy for supermarkets/airline s/tourism/ wealthy business commuters. Grants to set up such as the one mentioned above. No tax on non-doms (encourages Entrapeneurs/attract s criminals from all over). Tax free zones like the Olympic village for multinationals. A tax code written by the financial service industry to benefit - the financial service industry. I could go on but i won't. User12, I agree, but it is important the politics are discussed because like it or not politics is everything. peenut81

11:59am Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

peenut81 wrote:
GeorgeM, I said it yesterday, i'll say it again i believe you are the most unintelligent person in Southampton. At least Southy gets the principle if not the facts.
How does the private sector make 'profit'?
In almost every case it is heavily subsidised by the public.
No tax on air fuel. Subsidy for supermarkets/airline

s/tourism/ wealthy business commuters.
Grants to set up such as the one mentioned above.
No tax on non-doms (encourages Entrapeneurs/attract

s criminals from all over).
Tax free zones like the Olympic village for multinationals.
A tax code written by the financial service industry to benefit - the financial service industry.
I could go on but i won't.
User12, I agree, but it is important the politics are discussed because like it or not politics is everything.
I don't give a stuff what random idiot on the internet thinks of me, thanks. If you think "profit" is "subsidised by the public" you have a profound misunderstanding of how commerce works.
[quote][p][bold]peenut81[/bold] wrote: GeorgeM, I said it yesterday, i'll say it again i believe you are the most unintelligent person in Southampton. At least Southy gets the principle if not the facts. How does the private sector make 'profit'? In almost every case it is heavily subsidised by the public. No tax on air fuel. Subsidy for supermarkets/airline s/tourism/ wealthy business commuters. Grants to set up such as the one mentioned above. No tax on non-doms (encourages Entrapeneurs/attract s criminals from all over). Tax free zones like the Olympic village for multinationals. A tax code written by the financial service industry to benefit - the financial service industry. I could go on but i won't. User12, I agree, but it is important the politics are discussed because like it or not politics is everything.[/p][/quote]I don't give a stuff what random idiot on the internet thinks of me, thanks. If you think "profit" is "subsidised by the public" you have a profound misunderstanding of how commerce works. Georgem

12:03pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in.
Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.
Southy, you have come out of hiding. How about finishing off from yesterday, Let me remind you-
Southy, I am going out now, so dont take my absence as hiding. However, tomorrow I will look and see if you have either
a) admitted you are wrong about Turkey and the EU
b) admitted you are wrong about the Bildenberg meetings
or
c) disproved me on both counts
or
d) ignored altogether and moved onto another subject to baffle us with your knowledge, baseless facts and stories.”


We know thew answer was d, how about you answering a,b and/or c?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]More of a case of the private sector takes more out then they are willing to put in. Nationalise Industarys pays for it self, profits are put back into the country to pay off the debts ran up by private industarys.[/p][/quote]Southy, you have come out of hiding. How about finishing off from yesterday, Let me remind you- Southy, I am going out now, so dont take my absence as hiding. However, tomorrow I will look and see if you have either a) admitted you are wrong about Turkey and the EU b) admitted you are wrong about the Bildenberg meetings or c) disproved me on both counts or d) ignored altogether and moved onto another subject to baffle us with your knowledge, baseless facts and stories.” We know thew answer was d, how about you answering a,b and/or c? hulla baloo

12:21pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side. southy

12:30pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group" Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954. B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again ! Cyber__Fug

12:31pm Fri 2 Nov 12

jaysub says...

loosehead wrote:
jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?
While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet.
[quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?[/p][/quote]While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet. jaysub

12:36pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
A) show the proof to where you are right. Myself, along with others have given proof to show you were wrong.
B) as in A, myself and others have shown proof to the first meeting being in 1954.
C) see and and b. still waiting
D) Shown I was right.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]A) show the proof to where you are right. Myself, along with others have given proof to show you were wrong. B) as in A, myself and others have shown proof to the first meeting being in 1954. C) see and and b. still waiting D) Shown I was right. hulla baloo

12:42pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !
I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group" Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954. B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again ![/p][/quote]I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article". Georgem

12:46pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro. southy

12:48pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Georgem wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !
I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".
They was invites to the first Bilderberg meeting of the outter circle, look deeper look for those that invited them
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group" Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954. B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again ![/p][/quote]I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".[/p][/quote]They was invites to the first Bilderberg meeting of the outter circle, look deeper look for those that invited them southy

12:50pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber
gmeetings.org/index.
php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them. hulla baloo

12:51pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

Georgem wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !
I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".
Yeah I saw that one Georgem, and also remember the medical history claim" "man on the bridge that I had never met before told me". The debate over Portbury / Avonmouth Docks that he was wrong about. The claim that he wrote an article about the economic state of the country when he actually nicked it from someone else.

Infact, I just googled for a micro blog from a while back that someone posted and it's still be kept up to date.

http://lolsouthy.tum
blr.com/
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group" Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954. B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again ![/p][/quote]I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".[/p][/quote]Yeah I saw that one Georgem, and also remember the medical history claim" "man on the bridge that I had never met before told me". The debate over Portbury / Avonmouth Docks that he was wrong about. The claim that he wrote an article about the economic state of the country when he actually nicked it from someone else. Infact, I just googled for a micro blog from a while back that someone posted and it's still be kept up to date. http://lolsouthy.tum blr.com/ Cyber__Fug

12:53pm Fri 2 Nov 12

jaysub says...

jaysub wrote:
loosehead wrote:
jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?
While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet.
jaysub wrote:
loosehead wrote:
jaysub wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?
While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet.
[quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?[/p][/quote]While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet.[/p][/quote]jaysub wrote: [quote][p][bold]loosehead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]Yes but you are a contractor or didn't you realise exactly what contractor means/meant? BAT had contract cleaners in on the shop floor for years did they receive redundancy pay? did they receive an improved pension? No they didn't as they were not BAT employees but contractors who's contract work had come to an end. We had a good redundancy package but Fords have gone further by improving the Pensions so as another post has said many will not need to work again Also anything over £30,000 can be put into the pension scheme & the £30,000 is tax free. Increased pension pay outs & £30,000 tax free in your bank or take the tax hit on the £50,000 & a lower pension it's not to bad a deal is it?[/p][/quote]While we realise that,we were never going to recieve enhanched redundency or pensions.Fords recieve up to £17000 loyalty bonus but we are giving nothing in return for CONTRACT WORKERS longstanding loyalty.Without us the plant would been unable to run and the ford workers would up losing there £17000 bonus on top of there £50,000+ guarented payoffs.If every ford southampton worker gave £1000 out of there payoffs,it would give each contractor £5000 to try and get us on our feet. jaysub

12:57pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group"
Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954.


B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again !
I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".
They was invites to the first Bilderberg meeting of the outter circle, look deeper look for those that invited them
You really are a bad crash looking for somewhere to happen, But at least you keep us amused with your many inaccuracies.
Why do you find it so hard to say you were wrong, when it has been pointed out by so many people, or do you fail to provide proof to back up your claims/statements that would shut us all up?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]The Founding of the "Bilderberg Group" Dr. Joseph H. Retinger (economist, political philosopher, communist Poland's Charge d'Affaires, and a major proponent of a united Europe) along with Prince Bernhard (of Lippe-Biesterfeld) of the Netherlands, Colin Gubbins (former director of the British Special Operations Executive), and Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (former U.S. Ambassador to Moscow and director of the CIA, who later became an Under Secretary of State in the Eisenhower Administration), joined together in 1954 to organize this secretive policy group. Their first meeting was held at the Hotel de Bilderberg (hence the name of the group, even though they have referred to themselves as 'The Alliance') in Oosterbeek, Holland, from May 29-31, in 1954. B = you still appear to be wrong..... try again ![/p][/quote]I was going to point that out, but it's a waste of time. I can pretty much guarantee you that he'll just claim they started 9 years earlier, in secret, but that we mere mortals simply didn't know about them. Aside from spelling mistakes, which nobody should really care about anyway, he finds it absolutely impossible to admit having got anything wrong, no matter how trivial. You saw the Rahit Maryada train wreck, right? Several months of the most bizarre and tangled lying I've ever seen, to avoid saying "yep, I misread that article".[/p][/quote]They was invites to the first Bilderberg meeting of the outter circle, look deeper look for those that invited them[/p][/quote]You really are a bad crash looking for somewhere to happen, But at least you keep us amused with your many inaccuracies. Why do you find it so hard to say you were wrong, when it has been pointed out by so many people, or do you fail to provide proof to back up your claims/statements that would shut us all up? hulla baloo

1:00pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber

gmeetings.org/index.

php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels. southy

1:03pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
and where did you get this information from?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]and where did you get this information from? hulla baloo

1:08pm Fri 2 Nov 12

arthur dalyrimple says...

that 80 million euro loan must be in the ballpark of paying off the ford workers in swaythling and closing the plant ,looks very suspicious.
that 80 million euro loan must be in the ballpark of paying off the ford workers in swaythling and closing the plant ,looks very suspicious. arthur dalyrimple

1:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
and where did you get this information from?
PS, still waiting for you to back up your claim '' I was right'' to point A above.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]and where did you get this information from?[/p][/quote]PS, still waiting for you to back up your claim '' I was right'' to point A above. hulla baloo

1:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse ! Cyber__Fug

1:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]Where do you think that Ford's profits go? They are certainly do not end up here. Where do you think Nissan's profits go? Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go? Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go? They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK. Linesman

1:23pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !
Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse ![/p][/quote]Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer. hulla baloo

1:25pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Sunnie says...

Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them? Sunnie

1:39pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.
Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]Where do you think that Ford's profits go? They are certainly do not end up here. Where do you think Nissan's profits go? Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go? Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go? They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.[/p][/quote]Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector. Georgem

1:40pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber




gmeetings.org/index.




php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !
Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.
He'll just pretend it never happened. He always does. It's as if his entire universe would crumble if he ever actually admitted to getting anything wrong.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse ![/p][/quote]Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.[/p][/quote]He'll just pretend it never happened. He always does. It's as if his entire universe would crumble if he ever actually admitted to getting anything wrong. Georgem

1:43pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

Sunnie wrote:
Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
[quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough. Georgem

1:54pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Georgem wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Cyber__Fug wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber





gmeetings.org/index.





php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse !
Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.
He'll just pretend it never happened. He always does. It's as if his entire universe would crumble if he ever actually admitted to getting anything wrong.
He gone all quiet again.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]Echo..... can we have some smileys to attach to the comments.... I would like the one that states "roflmfao"... inner circle my arse ![/p][/quote]Am just wondering how big this hole will end up, that Southy is digging for himself. Maybe the inner cirlce will have the answer.[/p][/quote]He'll just pretend it never happened. He always does. It's as if his entire universe would crumble if he ever actually admitted to getting anything wrong.[/p][/quote]He gone all quiet again. hulla baloo

1:59pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber



gmeetings.org/index.



php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
and where did you get this information from?
Its in a book, 1945 the future of europe, the last days of the war, its also talk about in the last book out 10 "World at War" which became a tv doc.back in the 70's and 80's
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]and where did you get this information from?[/p][/quote]Its in a book, 1945 the future of europe, the last days of the war, its also talk about in the last book out 10 "World at War" which became a tv doc.back in the 70's and 80's southy

2:03pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954. hulla baloo

2:04pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.
But no doubt you will find a way to connect the two.
How about your 'proof' that Turkey was refused membership to the EU more than once, the last being quite recent?
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.[/p][/quote]But no doubt you will find a way to connect the two. How about your 'proof' that Turkey was refused membership to the EU more than once, the last being quite recent? hulla baloo

2:20pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight.
The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK.
The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons.
The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell.
what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.
hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight. The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK. The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons. The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell. what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common. southy

2:23pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight.
The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK.
The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons.
The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell.
what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.
What 2 questions cant I answer?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight. The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK. The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons. The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell. what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.[/p][/quote]What 2 questions cant I answer? hulla baloo

2:28pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Dresnez says...

UKIP’s Nigel Farage, who uncovered details of the loan, yesterday wrote to the Chancellor George Osborne, pictured, a governor of the EIB, to demand to know why he allowed the loan to be granted, what analysis took place in relation to likely UK job losses, and if not, why not.

Nigel, excellent question. However do not expect much of a response, you must realise by now, as I do that Gideon or anyone else in this government does not do analysis. Global Corporations say Jump and the Coalition Government says how high?


“It would appear the institutions of the E u ro p e a n Union have been used to ensure UK taxpayers are funding the export of their own jobs by financing soft loans to multinational corporations,” he said.

Yup forget about Johnny Foreigner being the enemy, our biggest enemy is this useless, and it would appear treasonous government.
UKIP’s Nigel Farage, who uncovered details of the loan, yesterday wrote to the Chancellor George Osborne, pictured, a governor of the EIB, to demand to know why he allowed the loan to be granted, what analysis took place in relation to likely UK job losses, and if not, why not. Nigel, excellent question. However do not expect much of a response, you must realise by now, as I do that Gideon or anyone else in this government does not do analysis. Global Corporations say Jump and the Coalition Government says how high? “It would appear the institutions of the E u ro p e a n Union have been used to ensure UK taxpayers are funding the export of their own jobs by financing soft loans to multinational corporations,” he said. Yup forget about Johnny Foreigner being the enemy, our biggest enemy is this useless, and it would appear treasonous government. Dresnez

2:37pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.
No the Yalta conference was the second conference of the three meeting of allied heads of state Europe's post-war reorganization, the first meeting took place in 1943 Tehran Conference, and the final meeting was Potsdam Conference july 1945.
The Bildenberg meeting first took place in 1945 in March/April it was when the start of the final battle took place the battle of Berlin.
The 1954 meetings was the invite meetings, the start of the second circle.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.[/p][/quote]No the Yalta conference was the second conference of the three meeting of allied heads of state Europe's post-war reorganization, the first meeting took place in 1943 Tehran Conference, and the final meeting was Potsdam Conference july 1945. The Bildenberg meeting first took place in 1945 in March/April it was when the start of the final battle took place the battle of Berlin. The 1954 meetings was the invite meetings, the start of the second circle. southy

2:41pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

Ah so we have now gone from Bildenberg in 1954, to Yalta in 1945 and now to 1943. Please tell me when it gets to the battle of hastings.
Do you really need remindng, yet again, that the first Bildenberg meeting took place in Holland in 1954, Their website link, yet again is http://www.bilderber

gmeetings.org/index.

php


Still waiting, as you claim you are right, for your proof of Turkey and the EU refusal.
Ah so we have now gone from Bildenberg in 1954, to Yalta in 1945 and now to 1943. Please tell me when it gets to the battle of hastings. Do you really need remindng, yet again, that the first Bildenberg meeting took place in Holland in 1954, Their website link, yet again is http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php Still waiting, as you claim you are right, for your proof of Turkey and the EU refusal. hulla baloo

2:42pm Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
A/ i am right
B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945.
C/ its up to you to educated your self not me.
D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.
southy, re A/ - as I posted yesterday: -

Turkey formally applied for full EU membership on 14 April 1987. This application has NEVER been refused.

It has been deferred to enable Turkey to meet certain joining requirements and negotiations have been in progress ever since.

So, you are WRONG to say membership has been refused twice.

But then, being wrong is the only thing that you excel at.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: A/ i am right B/ right again ( i been following that group ever since i first heard about it in 1981 when i hear that Thatcher was invited to go to the outter circle of the Bilderberg meeting), the first meeting of the Bilderberg inner circle took place in 1945. C/ its up to you to educated your self not me. D/ unlike you i got my self involved and finding out a lot more than i could being on the out side.[/p][/quote]southy, re A/ - as I posted yesterday: - Turkey formally applied for full EU membership on 14 April 1987. This application has NEVER been refused. It has been deferred to enable Turkey to meet certain joining requirements and negotiations have been in progress ever since. So, you are WRONG to say membership has been refused twice. But then, being wrong is the only thing that you excel at. freefinker

2:47pm Fri 2 Nov 12

user12 says...

Georgem wrote:
Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..! user12

2:49pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight.
The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK.
The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons.
The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell.
what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.
I think you will find that the Marriott Hotels are family run, (now with Anne Sorenson as CEO) but are actually owned by shareholders.
It just so happens that the Marriott family are Mormons.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: hulla baloo seeing that you can not answer those 2 questions that would give you an deeper insight. The world main branch of the Freemaston is in Washington DC USA, it use to be in the UK. The Marriotts Hotels are owned by the Mormons. The idea for the Bilderberg group is more likey older than what I know off, its like the basics of the EU, Churchill tried to unite France and Britians Arm forces as one just before France fell. what as Hilter Germany and the Bilderberg group got in common.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that the Marriott Hotels are family run, (now with Anne Sorenson as CEO) but are actually owned by shareholders. It just so happens that the Marriott family are Mormons. hulla baloo

3:02pm Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
southy wrote:
The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker,
This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context.
There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys.
You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.
http://www.bilderber




gmeetings.org/index.




php

This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.
yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one.
and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time.

Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is.
Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.
and where did you get this information from?
Its in a book, 1945 the future of europe, the last days of the war, its also talk about in the last book out 10 "World at War" which became a tv doc.back in the 70's and 80's
.. funny, isn't it?

I've just carried out an extensive internet search for Bilderberg and 1945.

Absolutely nothing - not one single mention.

Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday.

You’d think, what with all that false info on the web that southy keeps telling us about, there would be at least a few sites that would confirm it started in 1945. But no, not one – except southy has now confirmed it and will now quote his own made up story to prove he was right all along.

Even his mate Rahit Maryada had nothing to say on this issue.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: The 1954 meeting was the first invitations meetings of the Bilderberg group, you can only attend the outter circle meetings by invite only no one on the left is invited, its all about right wing agenda, the inner circle who do all the invites, is very hard to get into, its made up by 30 people only, 3 people from the 10 zones of the world, 1 high ranking arm forces personal, 1 high politician and 1 financier/banker, This inner circle decides on who coming where they will place, who will give speaches and what subject, all speaches will be check for context. There main agenda is to have 10 governments in the world, 10 arm forces, 10 currencys. You seen the start all ready with the EU and the Euro Dollar, the Union of South American Countrys, and the talk about the Amro.[/p][/quote]http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php This is the link to the official Bilderberg meeting website, It would appear that they are wrong and possibly would appreciate your better knowledge in correcting their errors, perhaps you could help them.[/p][/quote]yes thats outter circle its not the inner circle, the inner circle i not sure if they have one. and theres a reason why it happened in 1945 right on the last days of the wars, most of the people that is concered was in Europe at the time. Think how the Freemason work and you will have some thing like Bilderberg and how they opperate, like do you know where the main Mason branch is. Like the last invite meeting was in a America at the Marriott Hotel and who owns the Marriott chain of Hotels.[/p][/quote]and where did you get this information from?[/p][/quote]Its in a book, 1945 the future of europe, the last days of the war, its also talk about in the last book out 10 "World at War" which became a tv doc.back in the 70's and 80's[/p][/quote].. funny, isn't it? I've just carried out an extensive internet search for Bilderberg and 1945. Absolutely nothing - not one single mention. Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday. You’d think, what with all that false info on the web that southy keeps telling us about, there would be at least a few sites that would confirm it started in 1945. But no, not one – except southy has now confirmed it and will now quote his own made up story to prove he was right all along. Even his mate Rahit Maryada had nothing to say on this issue. freefinker

3:09pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
Ah so we have now gone from Bildenberg in 1954, to Yalta in 1945 and now to 1943. Please tell me when it gets to the battle of hastings.
Do you really need remindng, yet again, that the first Bildenberg meeting took place in Holland in 1954, Their website link, yet again is http://www.bilderber


gmeetings.org/index.


php


Still waiting, as you claim you are right, for your proof of Turkey and the EU refusal.
Stop twisting thing will you hulla.
I have not made refence to the Yalta meeting you started that on off and i just pointed out to you that 1 of 3 meetings.
Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945, when you do this you will start to see some parts have been removed because of copy right claim, people from 18 countries attened the first invite meeting in 1954 about 130 people. and that is the outter circle and was the year they first open there doors to others, it is totally controlled, doors are not even open for the media to print or view.
First known Labour party member to attend the invites was Kinnock, Blair and the Millibands are also known about attending, theres a whole long list off Tory party members known to have attended but the noteable ones are Churchill, Heath, Kennedy, Thatcher, Cameron.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Ah so we have now gone from Bildenberg in 1954, to Yalta in 1945 and now to 1943. Please tell me when it gets to the battle of hastings. Do you really need remindng, yet again, that the first Bildenberg meeting took place in Holland in 1954, Their website link, yet again is http://www.bilderber gmeetings.org/index. php Still waiting, as you claim you are right, for your proof of Turkey and the EU refusal.[/p][/quote]Stop twisting thing will you hulla. I have not made refence to the Yalta meeting you started that on off and i just pointed out to you that 1 of 3 meetings. Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945, when you do this you will start to see some parts have been removed because of copy right claim, people from 18 countries attened the first invite meeting in 1954 about 130 people. and that is the outter circle and was the year they first open there doors to others, it is totally controlled, doors are not even open for the media to print or view. First known Labour party member to attend the invites was Kinnock, Blair and the Millibands are also known about attending, theres a whole long list off Tory party members known to have attended but the noteable ones are Churchill, Heath, Kennedy, Thatcher, Cameron. southy

3:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

MBHants says...

>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945 Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945? MBHants

3:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

How am I twisting. You first mentioned Bildenberg in 1945, I corrected you on that. Then you mentioned 1943, so I referred to the Yalta meeting held in that year.
I note you are STILL refusing to back up your claim on '' I was right" referring to Turkey and the EU.
Are you going to concede that one?
How am I twisting. You first mentioned Bildenberg in 1945, I corrected you on that. Then you mentioned 1943, so I referred to the Yalta meeting held in that year. I note you are STILL refusing to back up your claim on '' I was right" referring to Turkey and the EU. Are you going to concede that one? hulla baloo

3:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.
freefinker. "Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday" You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also. southy

3:25pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

hulla baloo wrote:
How am I twisting. You first mentioned Bildenberg in 1945, I corrected you on that. Then you mentioned 1943, so I referred to the Yalta meeting held in that year.
I note you are STILL refusing to back up your claim on '' I was right" referring to Turkey and the EU.
Are you going to concede that one?
You mention Yalta 1945 which was a different meetings that was head of states of allied countrys and there was 3 of those meetings all together, and Yalta meeting was the second one the first was the in 1943 and followed by 2 more last 2 being in the same year.
No I not on Turkey they was refused twice all ready and i told you when they can apply again, and they will do.
Search about fords on the echo web site about 2 years ago when fords was on Strike back then we was debating about Turkey on weather the EU would accept them at that time, some one put links up then about it.
[quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: How am I twisting. You first mentioned Bildenberg in 1945, I corrected you on that. Then you mentioned 1943, so I referred to the Yalta meeting held in that year. I note you are STILL refusing to back up your claim on '' I was right" referring to Turkey and the EU. Are you going to concede that one?[/p][/quote]You mention Yalta 1945 which was a different meetings that was head of states of allied countrys and there was 3 of those meetings all together, and Yalta meeting was the second one the first was the in 1943 and followed by 2 more last 2 being in the same year. No I not on Turkey they was refused twice all ready and i told you when they can apply again, and they will do. Search about fords on the echo web site about 2 years ago when fords was on Strike back then we was debating about Turkey on weather the EU would accept them at that time, some one put links up then about it. southy

3:28pm Fri 2 Nov 12

hulla baloo says...

I stand corrected on the year for Yalta, mis type on my part.
However, Turkey and the EU.
When will you back up your statement with links to your source?
You have been shown links contrary to what you are saying, if you are that certain, give us your proof.
Just saying it means absolutely nothing.
I stand corrected on the year for Yalta, mis type on my part. However, Turkey and the EU. When will you back up your statement with links to your source? You have been shown links contrary to what you are saying, if you are that certain, give us your proof. Just saying it means absolutely nothing. hulla baloo

3:39pm Fri 2 Nov 12

madmandy says...

I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good . madmandy

3:40pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
hulla baloo wrote:
Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.
No the Yalta conference was the second conference of the three meeting of allied heads of state Europe's post-war reorganization, the first meeting took place in 1943 Tehran Conference, and the final meeting was Potsdam Conference july 1945.
The Bildenberg meeting first took place in 1945 in March/April it was when the start of the final battle took place the battle of Berlin.
The 1954 meetings was the invite meetings, the start of the second circle.
Ta-da!
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hulla baloo[/bold] wrote: Ah yes, the Yalta conference, held in February 1945 in the Crimea. Nothing to do with the Bildenberg meeting in 1954.[/p][/quote]No the Yalta conference was the second conference of the three meeting of allied heads of state Europe's post-war reorganization, the first meeting took place in 1943 Tehran Conference, and the final meeting was Potsdam Conference july 1945. The Bildenberg meeting first took place in 1945 in March/April it was when the start of the final battle took place the battle of Berlin. The 1954 meetings was the invite meetings, the start of the second circle.[/p][/quote]Ta-da! Georgem

3:40pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.
He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker. "Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday" You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.[/p][/quote]He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously? Georgem

3:43pm Fri 2 Nov 12

sass says...

How is it that Matt Smith can use a55 in his article, but if I tell you that my donkey is an a55 it gets deleted?
How is it that Matt Smith can use a55 in his article, but if I tell you that my donkey is an a55 it gets deleted? sass

3:55pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?
Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library.
Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths.

any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.
[quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: >>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945 Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?[/p][/quote]Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library. Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths. any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do. southy

4:07pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Fatty x Ford Worker says...

user12 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!
Temp aint got no rights you should of known this when you took the Job!
[quote][p][bold]user12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..![/p][/quote]Temp aint got no rights you should of known this when you took the Job! Fatty x Ford Worker

4:11pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

user12 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!
You're a permanent employee of your agency, not of Ford. Ford has no obligation to do anything for you. I'd be mightily surprised if your agency has, either. Best check your contract. You did read it, right?
[quote][p][bold]user12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..![/p][/quote]You're a permanent employee of your agency, not of Ford. Ford has no obligation to do anything for you. I'd be mightily surprised if your agency has, either. Best check your contract. You did read it, right? Georgem

4:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

sass wrote:
How is it that Matt Smith can use a55 in his article, but if I tell you that my donkey is an a55 it gets deleted?
Use what? The word ass? No idea.
[quote][p][bold]sass[/bold] wrote: How is it that Matt Smith can use a55 in his article, but if I tell you that my donkey is an a55 it gets deleted?[/p][/quote]Use what? The word a[bold][/bold]ss? No idea. Georgem

4:12pm Fri 2 Nov 12

southy says...

Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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4:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?
Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library.
Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths.

any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.
All of a sudden you're busy. That's convenient. Off to check 11 million urls, no doubt.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: >>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945 Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?[/p][/quote]Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library. Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths. any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.[/p][/quote]All of a sudden you're busy. That's convenient. Off to check 11 million urls, no doubt. Georgem

4:28pm Fri 2 Nov 12

saint61 says...

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .
And no doubt your husband is flaunting it in the face of the contracts and rubbing salt into the wounds. Or was he the one who got head butted this morning.
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .[/p][/quote]And no doubt your husband is flaunting it in the face of the contracts and rubbing salt into the wounds. Or was he the one who got head butted this morning. saint61

4:36pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.
Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.
Depends what you mean by a fortune.

The public sector covers a very wide range of work.

Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper?

No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders.

If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune.

Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit.

If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]Where do you think that Ford's profits go? They are certainly do not end up here. Where do you think Nissan's profits go? Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go? Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go? They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.[/p][/quote]Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.[/p][/quote]Depends what you mean by a fortune. The public sector covers a very wide range of work. Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper? No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders. If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune. Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit. If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad. Linesman

4:39pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Sunnie wrote:
Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
They were employed by the contractors, not Ford.

The contractors were employed by Ford.

The contractors should be looking after their workers.

If Ford workers went on strike for more pay, did the contract workers go on strike?
[quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]They were employed by the contractors, not Ford. The contractors were employed by Ford. The contractors should be looking after their workers. If Ford workers went on strike for more pay, did the contract workers go on strike? Linesman

4:48pm Fri 2 Nov 12

saint61 says...

Sources tell me that Ford workers were fighting amongst themselves today
Sources tell me that Ford workers were fighting amongst themselves today saint61

4:49pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .
madmandy says, "The union are just pains and always were."

If she thinks that Ford would be making this latest offer if it were not because of pressure from the union, then Mandy certainly must be Mad.

Ford would not offer a penny more than they felt that they needed to do, and if it were not the union that was putting pressure on them, who the hell does she think had been doing the pressing?

Does she think that it is the result of a few words from Nooky Nokes?

Perhaps she thinks that the government, that has handed out a few million pounds to Dagenham has woken up what is happening at Swaythling.

It is the union, that she claims has never supported Southampton, that is doing more for the workforce than the government who are quite happy to be associated with the EU's diet of Turkish Delight.
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .[/p][/quote]madmandy says, "The union are just pains and always were." If she thinks that Ford would be making this latest offer if it were not because of pressure from the union, then Mandy certainly must be Mad. Ford would not offer a penny more than they felt that they needed to do, and if it were not the union that was putting pressure on them, who the hell does she think had been doing the pressing? Does she think that it is the result of a few words from Nooky Nokes? Perhaps she thinks that the government, that has handed out a few million pounds to Dagenham has woken up what is happening at Swaythling. It is the union, that she claims has never supported Southampton, that is doing more for the workforce than the government who are quite happy to be associated with the EU's diet of Turkish Delight. Linesman

4:53pm Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it. freefinker

4:54pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Georgem says...

Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.
Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.
Depends what you mean by a fortune.

The public sector covers a very wide range of work.

Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper?

No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders.

If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune.

Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit.

If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.
So it also depends on what you mean by "make". I'm not disagreeing that some services are better being nationalised. The comment I initially responded to claimed that the private sector is pretty much all subsidised by the taxpayer, which is complete and utter bunkum.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]Where do you think that Ford's profits go? They are certainly do not end up here. Where do you think Nissan's profits go? Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go? Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go? They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.[/p][/quote]Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.[/p][/quote]Depends what you mean by a fortune. The public sector covers a very wide range of work. Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper? No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders. If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune. Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit. If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.[/p][/quote]So it also depends on what you mean by "make". I'm not disagreeing that some services are better being nationalised. The comment I initially responded to claimed that the private sector is pretty much all subsidised by the taxpayer, which is complete and utter bunkum. Georgem

5:05pm Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.
He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?
.. no, no, Georgem - I have "a VERY poor memory"

And, yes, I think he IS serious.

southy, you have NOT mentioned Bilderberg STARTING in 1945 before yesterday.

Prove me wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker. "Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday" You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.[/p][/quote]He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?[/p][/quote].. no, no, Georgem - I have "a VERY poor memory" And, yes, I think he IS serious. southy, you have NOT mentioned Bilderberg STARTING in 1945 before yesterday. Prove me wrong. freefinker

5:17pm Fri 2 Nov 12

freefinker says...

southy wrote:
MBHants wrote:
>>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945

Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?
Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library.
Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths.

any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.
.. 11 million you say? Well maybe.

But we are not just looking for URL's that mention Bilderberg, are we?

We are looking for URL's that mention it being formed in 1945, aren't we?

So, refine your search, find this illusive website and prove us all wrong.

Go on, you can do it.
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MBHants[/bold] wrote: >>Do google search and go back over 100 pages for the Bilderberg group, they first meet up in 1945 Southy, please post one single URL that states or even hints at this meeting in 1945?[/p][/quote]Yes well there are well over 11 million urls that mention Bilderberg for the last 2 years and thats for easy reach, when you start to go back in years 11 million urls seems just a scratch to what as been posted, easier just to go to the library. Google search go's back only 85 pages with about 10 urls to a page, 18 mths. any way time i got going things to do, i not like some on here who are posting just because they are bored and nothing to do.[/p][/quote].. 11 million you say? Well maybe. But we are not just looking for URL's that mention Bilderberg, are we? We are looking for URL's that mention it being formed in 1945, aren't we? So, refine your search, find this illusive website and prove us all wrong. Go on, you can do it. freefinker

5:23pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Linesman wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
Linesman wrote:
I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.
Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's.
This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector.
Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's
I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....
Where do you think that Ford's profits go?

They are certainly do not end up here.

Where do you think Nissan's profits go?

Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go?

Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go?

They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.
Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.
Depends what you mean by a fortune.

The public sector covers a very wide range of work.

Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper?

No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders.

If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune.

Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit.

If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.
So it also depends on what you mean by "make". I'm not disagreeing that some services are better being nationalised. The comment I initially responded to claimed that the private sector is pretty much all subsidised by the taxpayer, which is complete and utter bunkum.
Well, the railways are now, allegedly, in the private sector, and they are bailed out/subsidised on an annual basis.

The banks are in the private sector, but when the solids hit the fan, they needed to be bailed out, as did local authorities who had invested in Icelandic banks.

Bus companies are now private companies and are subsidised, and I do not think that they provide the service that the old Corporation bus service did. They did 'what the name on the label said' they provided a Service.

Of course I would not say that all private companies get subsidised, but there are quite a few, and those are just a couple of examples.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: I suppose the money for this offer will come, indirectly, from the government, who seem to be currently funding the activities of Ford.[/p][/quote]Not just Fords most Corporation get this sort of funding, question so where is this open free market place they been on about since the 80's. This is Capitalism for you, its will to pay for a private sector but unwilling to support the public sector. Money being wasted when they could be using it for a state industarys and colletting the profit to help pay for the country like it use to before the 80's[/p][/quote]I wonder if that's because the private sector generates revenues, and the public sector consumes them....[/p][/quote]Where do you think that Ford's profits go? They are certainly do not end up here. Where do you think Nissan's profits go? Where do you think the profits from the nationalised industries, that were sold off to foreign owners, go? Brittany Ferries. Where do their profits go? They generate revenue, and the profit element of the revenue raised does not end up in the UK.[/p][/quote]Whereas we make a fortune out of the public sector.[/p][/quote]Depends what you mean by a fortune. The public sector covers a very wide range of work. Do you get a fortune from the road sweeper? No, but there is no 'middle-man' to take a cut and make a profit for the shareholders. If that road sweeper is employed by a firm that is contracted by the council, then that firm is the 'middle-man' who makes a fortune. Similar with office staff, maintenance staff, parks etc etc. They do not turn a profit when they are public sector, but if the job is contracted out, then the contractors want to make a profit. If these contractors are foreign owned, as a good many of them are, those profits do not stay in the UK to be reinvested here, but go to improve things abroad.[/p][/quote]So it also depends on what you mean by "make". I'm not disagreeing that some services are better being nationalised. The comment I initially responded to claimed that the private sector is pretty much all subsidised by the taxpayer, which is complete and utter bunkum.[/p][/quote]Well, the railways are now, allegedly, in the private sector, and they are bailed out/subsidised on an annual basis. The banks are in the private sector, but when the solids hit the fan, they needed to be bailed out, as did local authorities who had invested in Icelandic banks. Bus companies are now private companies and are subsidised, and I do not think that they provide the service that the old Corporation bus service did. They did 'what the name on the label said' they provided a Service. Of course I would not say that all private companies get subsidised, but there are quite a few, and those are just a couple of examples. Linesman

5:56pm Fri 2 Nov 12

ohec says...

Fatty x Ford Worker wrote:
user12 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!
Temp aint got no rights you should of known this when you took the Job!
Is it that hard for some people to understand that if your payslip says Ford Motor Company at the top you work for Fords and hopefully barring any stupidity you will get all the perks that are being offered and good luck to you. As for anybody else contractors agency workers etc you will get what you are entitled too from YOUR respective employers, and Ford's or its employees owe you nothing zilch bugger all,
and to come on here bleating about how hard done by you are is pitiful and childish if you had any self respect you would wish the Ford workers well and be grateful for the employment that you have had because if the boot was on the other foot i am sure you would be worried about the Ford workers.
[quote][p][bold]Fatty x Ford Worker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]user12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..![/p][/quote]Temp aint got no rights you should of known this when you took the Job![/p][/quote]Is it that hard for some people to understand that if your payslip says Ford Motor Company at the top you work for Fords and hopefully barring any stupidity you will get all the perks that are being offered and good luck to you. As for anybody else contractors agency workers etc you will get what you are entitled too from YOUR respective employers, and Ford's or its employees owe you nothing zilch bugger all, and to come on here bleating about how hard done by you are is pitiful and childish if you had any self respect you would wish the Ford workers well and be grateful for the employment that you have had because if the boot was on the other foot i am sure you would be worried about the Ford workers. ohec

6:19pm Fri 2 Nov 12

SOULJACKER says...

Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :))))) SOULJACKER

6:25pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I wouldn't find that funny at all.........
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I wouldn't find that funny at all......... IronLady2010

6:46pm Fri 2 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

jaysub wrote:
"Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms"

As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!!
Diddums
[quote][p][bold]jaysub[/bold] wrote: "Contracted staff have been offered less generous terms" As a contractor at the plant,we have been offered NOTHING!![/p][/quote]Diddums andysaints007

7:26pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Lone Ranger. says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad Lone Ranger.

7:41pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable. IronLady2010

7:45pm Fri 2 Nov 12

SOULJACKER says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I wouldn't find that funny at all.........
Oh Iron lady ever the sensible one eh!

It's Friday evening & I I'm getting my drank on for a change :)

All you ever get on here is moaning & depression..... Boring (-_-)zzzzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I wouldn't find that funny at all.........[/p][/quote]Oh Iron lady ever the sensible one eh! It's Friday evening & I I'm getting my drank on for a change :) All you ever get on here is moaning & depression..... Boring (-_-)zzzzzzzz SOULJACKER

7:48pm Fri 2 Nov 12

SOULJACKER says...

Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
Oh yeah, cause I sit on here day in & day out moaning & groaning (NOT).

Go get yourself a pint & chill for a bit, it's the weekend :)

Still Freakin' funny as hell :)
[quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]Oh yeah, cause I sit on here day in & day out moaning & groaning (NOT). Go get yourself a pint & chill for a bit, it's the weekend :) Still Freakin' funny as hell :) SOULJACKER

7:50pm Fri 2 Nov 12

SOULJACKER says...

I think it is all down to Jimmy Saville!
I think it is all down to Jimmy Saville! SOULJACKER

7:51pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

SOULJACKER wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I wouldn't find that funny at all.........
Oh Iron lady ever the sensible one eh!

It's Friday evening & I I'm getting my drank on for a change :)

All you ever get on here is moaning & depression..... Boring (-_-)zzzzzzzz
You know me, I have no problem with being critical of Unions, but not the workers losing great amounts of money and finding it funny.

Have a great evening, we all deserve a good Friday night. :-) x
[quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I wouldn't find that funny at all.........[/p][/quote]Oh Iron lady ever the sensible one eh! It's Friday evening & I I'm getting my drank on for a change :) All you ever get on here is moaning & depression..... Boring (-_-)zzzzzzzz[/p][/quote]You know me, I have no problem with being critical of Unions, but not the workers losing great amounts of money and finding it funny. Have a great evening, we all deserve a good Friday night. :-) x IronLady2010

7:56pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Actually, I'd like to thank Southy for a couple of days entertainment, it has certainly made me smile.

Thank you Southy, you should be a stand up act.
Actually, I'd like to thank Southy for a couple of days entertainment, it has certainly made me smile. Thank you Southy, you should be a stand up act. IronLady2010

8:00pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out. Linesman

8:13pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins? IronLady2010

8:22pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

I feel, Unions have a place to serve individuals, but they say they are run by members, now they have thousands of members, yet someone calls for a strike before the members even have a say.

So, Unions aren't run by members as they have a boss who instigates the strike suggestion, then they create a meeting which plays music, creates the atmosphere and gives a talk about what the UNION bosses want. The Membership just follow what they feel is best advice as they're paying for the service.
I feel, Unions have a place to serve individuals, but they say they are run by members, now they have thousands of members, yet someone calls for a strike before the members even have a say. So, Unions aren't run by members as they have a boss who instigates the strike suggestion, then they create a meeting which plays music, creates the atmosphere and gives a talk about what the UNION bosses want. The Membership just follow what they feel is best advice as they're paying for the service. IronLady2010

10:41pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?[/p][/quote]If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce. Linesman

10:54pm Fri 2 Nov 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
I feel, Unions have a place to serve individuals, but they say they are run by members, now they have thousands of members, yet someone calls for a strike before the members even have a say.

So, Unions aren't run by members as they have a boss who instigates the strike suggestion, then they create a meeting which plays music, creates the atmosphere and gives a talk about what the UNION bosses want. The Membership just follow what they feel is best advice as they're paying for the service.
That is sheer stupidity.

Union leaders do not find themselves in that position because they went to Eton or Harrow, they get there because they are elected by the membership.

Union leaders negotiate. If deadlock is reached, with neither side being prepared to budge, a union 'boss' may call for a strike, but before that could take place, the membership would have to be consulted and a vote of members take place.

That is Union democracy.

Workers join unions for various reasons, but mostly because it gives them some form of protection from things like victimisation. Also wage negotiations are done on their behalf.

If unions are not run by members, then it is the fault of members who cannot be bothered to attend union meetings, make their views known or bother to vote.

It is a similar situation to people with politics. So often you find that the people who complain the loudest, when questioned, say that they didn't bother to vote.

You say, 'The membership just follow what they feel is best advoce as tjeu're paying for the service.' No doubt that is true for some, but not the majority.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: I feel, Unions have a place to serve individuals, but they say they are run by members, now they have thousands of members, yet someone calls for a strike before the members even have a say. So, Unions aren't run by members as they have a boss who instigates the strike suggestion, then they create a meeting which plays music, creates the atmosphere and gives a talk about what the UNION bosses want. The Membership just follow what they feel is best advice as they're paying for the service.[/p][/quote]That is sheer stupidity. Union leaders do not find themselves in that position because they went to Eton or Harrow, they get there because they are elected by the membership. Union leaders negotiate. If deadlock is reached, with neither side being prepared to budge, a union 'boss' may call for a strike, but before that could take place, the membership would have to be consulted and a vote of members take place. That is Union democracy. Workers join unions for various reasons, but mostly because it gives them some form of protection from things like victimisation. Also wage negotiations are done on their behalf. If unions are not run by members, then it is the fault of members who cannot be bothered to attend union meetings, make their views known or bother to vote. It is a similar situation to people with politics. So often you find that the people who complain the loudest, when questioned, say that they didn't bother to vote. You say, 'The membership just follow what they feel is best advoce as tjeu're paying for the service.' No doubt that is true for some, but not the majority. Linesman

11:02pm Fri 2 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.
That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?[/p][/quote]If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.[/p][/quote]That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing. The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly. The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll. How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group. IronLady2010

8:10am Sat 3 Nov 12

Linesman says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.
That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.
Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent.

A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not.

A Union leader is the chief negotiator.

As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.'

As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her.

By your name, you appear to be a female.

It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?[/p][/quote]If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.[/p][/quote]That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing. The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly. The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll. How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.[/p][/quote]Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent. A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not. A Union leader is the chief negotiator. As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.' As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her. By your name, you appear to be a female. It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind. Linesman

8:53am Sat 3 Nov 12

Big Mac says...

What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him. Big Mac

9:14am Sat 3 Nov 12

Linesman says...

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
He is at work. What's your excuse?
[quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.[/p][/quote]He is at work. What's your excuse? Linesman

10:06am Sat 3 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
.. oh, he won't be back on this story.

Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up.

Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.
[quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.[/p][/quote].. oh, he won't be back on this story. Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up. Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever. freefinker

10:28am Sat 3 Nov 12

Linesman says...

freefinker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
.. oh, he won't be back on this story.

Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up.

Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.
But you can?
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.[/p][/quote].. oh, he won't be back on this story. Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up. Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.[/p][/quote]But you can? Linesman

10:29am Sat 3 Nov 12

andysaints007 says...

Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.
That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.
Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent.

A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not.

A Union leader is the chief negotiator.

As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.'

As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her.

By your name, you appear to be a female.

It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.
Equal pay for women had absolutely nothing to do with Unions until they jumped on the bandwagon!!
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?[/p][/quote]If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.[/p][/quote]That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing. The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly. The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll. How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.[/p][/quote]Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent. A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not. A Union leader is the chief negotiator. As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.' As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her. By your name, you appear to be a female. It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.[/p][/quote]Equal pay for women had absolutely nothing to do with Unions until they jumped on the bandwagon!! andysaints007

11:05am Sat 3 Nov 12

freefinker says...

Linesman wrote:
freefinker wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
.. oh, he won't be back on this story.

Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up.

Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.
But you can?
Yes - and have done.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.[/p][/quote].. oh, he won't be back on this story. Too many people have challenged him over the rubbish he has made up. Can't admit he's got anything wrong, ever.[/p][/quote]But you can?[/p][/quote]Yes - and have done. freefinker

12:24pm Sat 3 Nov 12

richieroo says...

madmandy wrote:
I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .
33 years riding the gravy train with a very generous payout at the end of it & now you're complaining that you'll have to pay tax on it!!. & you wonder why there is very little sympathy!?!.
[quote][p][bold]madmandy[/bold] wrote: I am a ford workers wife ,I wish the echo would stop writing any more stories and winding people up . my husband worked for fords for 33 years he had been lucky he knows that like others there.The echo dont say about the 40% tax the workers have to pay to government from payout. The union are just pains and always were. they dont and never supported southampton it all to look good and sound good .[/p][/quote]33 years riding the gravy train with a very generous payout at the end of it & now you're complaining that you'll have to pay tax on it!!. & you wonder why there is very little sympathy!?!. richieroo

1:52pm Sat 3 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
Georgem wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker.

"Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday"

You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.
He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?
.. no, no, Georgem - I have "a VERY poor memory"

And, yes, I think he IS serious.

southy, you have NOT mentioned Bilderberg STARTING in 1945 before yesterday.

Prove me wrong.
Yes I have Freefinker at lest 2 years ago, that I remember it might of been even longer now, and i spoke of them lest year also. also I mention the Bilderberg group a few times this year.
#Whats up did I debunk hulla baloo link he put up as having nothing to do with the Bilderberg group, and it puts to question every link that as been posted of there origins, And doing a full or intesive research takes mths or maybe years to do and not a few mins or even a few hours or days.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: freefinker. "Actually, that's a slight lie. The only mention at all on the whole www of Bilderberg starting in 1945 comes from an individual called southy on a regional newspaper website that was posted just yesterday" You got a very poor memory i have mention the Bilderberg on this web site 2 years ago and again last year, now if you done extensive internet search for Bilderberg you would of come across these also.[/p][/quote]He has a poor memory because he doesn't remember one of your inane posts from 2 years ago? Seriously?[/p][/quote].. no, no, Georgem - I have "a VERY poor memory" And, yes, I think he IS serious. southy, you have NOT mentioned Bilderberg STARTING in 1945 before yesterday. Prove me wrong.[/p][/quote]Yes I have Freefinker at lest 2 years ago, that I remember it might of been even longer now, and i spoke of them lest year also. also I mention the Bilderberg group a few times this year. #Whats up did I debunk hulla baloo link he put up as having nothing to do with the Bilderberg group, and it puts to question every link that as been posted of there origins, And doing a full or intesive research takes mths or maybe years to do and not a few mins or even a few hours or days. southy

2:28pm Sat 3 Nov 12

southy says...

andysaints007 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Linesman wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
Lone Ranger. wrote:
SOULJACKER wrote:
Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead!

I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))
I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad
I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong.

In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off.
Take the money and run whilst it's on offer.

The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved.

What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc.

They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.
I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford.

Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to.

Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them.

With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.
You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?
If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.
That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing.

The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly.

The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll.

How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.
Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent.

A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not.

A Union leader is the chief negotiator.

As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.'

As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her.

By your name, you appear to be a female.

It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.
Equal pay for women had absolutely nothing to do with Unions until they jumped on the bandwagon!!
andysaints007.
Yes they did, it was at the Fords Dagenham Plant, where the Females Unions members in the sewing room, went on strike and stayed out till they had equal rights and pay, they bought the all off Fords in the UK to a stand still, because they had no seats for the cars and this was at a time when H, Wilson was Prime Minister, and Barber Castle was in the Cabinet.
[quote][p][bold]andysaints007[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lone Ranger.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SOULJACKER[/bold] wrote: Hahahaha, be funny as hell if unions spoiled it for the Ford guys......Ford may look up & say "Oh well, here's £25.00 instead! I would laugh my ar$e off...too freakin funny :)))))[/p][/quote]I think that the only thing that is freakin funny is you ...... and not comical .... just a bit sad[/p][/quote]I think it's fair to say we don't all agree with Union involvement, but to simply wish workers the worst if Unions get involved is wrong. In this case, I feel if Unions do push for a strike, the workers will be worse off. Take the money and run whilst it's on offer. The issue right now is, that the Factory WILL close, the Unions are just going to make it earlier than was suggested if they get involved. What the Unions should be doing is working with their own members to find them employment (if that's what they want) or perhaps advise them on to how best to spend their redundancy money or invest it etc. They should be seeking a positive outcome out of a horrible situation, not prolonging the inevitable.[/p][/quote]I very much doubt that this offer would have been made if the Unions had not put pressure on Ford. Ford would never give a penny more than they felt that they need to. Instead of slagging off the Union, I think that they are doing what the members pay them to do, and that is to get the best deal possible for them. With this on the table, I very much doubt that there would be a strike, and if one were called, I doubt that the members would listen because they would lose out.[/p][/quote]You could well be right, maybe the Unions have pressured ford to come up with this money. Now let's see if Ford look at this and think, let's pull the rest of our operations out of the UK as the busy bodies are hitting our margins?[/p][/quote]If they do pull out the rest, then for a start they will have to refund the £10m grant they have just received and also pay more redundancy money to their workforce.[/p][/quote]That's petty cash, they can always pull the plug as other businesses are doing. The Unions are good for individuals, but once they start threatening which comes from boss levels and not members then things turn ugly. The Union bosses have become greedy and are driving away good business, the Ford members haven't suggested a strike, it came from the top and they are now going for a poll. How is this a Union? The bosses decide what to vote for, give the members the big speech, tell them we can save jobs etc Yet they are supposed to be member led group.[/p][/quote]Your ignorance of Unions and how they work is apparent. A Union leader may advise members to strike, but that has to be followed by a ballot of union members where, in a secret ballot, they can either decide to strike or not. A Union leader is the chief negotiator. As is often stated, 'Unity is strength.' As an individual, employers can do virtually what they want. Sack. Dock wages. Put on short time. etc. By being a member of the union the worker has the strength of membership behind him or her. By your name, you appear to be a female. It is because of pressure from Unions that females now have the benefit of equal pay for equal work, but of course, you would conveniently put that to the back of your anti-union mind.[/p][/quote]Equal pay for women had absolutely nothing to do with Unions until they jumped on the bandwagon!![/p][/quote]andysaints007. Yes they did, it was at the Fords Dagenham Plant, where the Females Unions members in the sewing room, went on strike and stayed out till they had equal rights and pay, they bought the all off Fords in the UK to a stand still, because they had no seats for the cars and this was at a time when H, Wilson was Prime Minister, and Barber Castle was in the Cabinet. southy

2:31pm Sat 3 Nov 12

southy says...

Linesman wrote:
Big Mac wrote:
What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.
He is at work. What's your excuse?
lol nice one Lines, they just don't relise how busy I really am.
They are going to go for me now that I have debunk the link what was posted, and called into question all links that the Right Wing lot have posted.
[quote][p][bold]Linesman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Big Mac[/bold] wrote: What time does Southy arrive? Just want to make sure I miss him.[/p][/quote]He is at work. What's your excuse?[/p][/quote]lol nice one Lines, they just don't relise how busy I really am. They are going to go for me now that I have debunk the link what was posted, and called into question all links that the Right Wing lot have posted. southy

2:41pm Sat 3 Nov 12

southy says...

freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it.[/p][/quote]Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group. Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information. southy

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4:13pm Sat 3 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

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Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)
"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.
You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL
[quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it.[/p][/quote]Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group. Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.[/p][/quote]You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered: Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Rotterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:3024ES Registrant Country:NL IronLady2010

6:55pm Sat 3 Nov 12

freefinker says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O




RG - Domain Informationnew
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rg
Location US US, United States
City Seattle, WA 98144
Organization AMAZON.COM
ISP AMAZON.COM
AS Number AS14618
Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)
"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.
You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL
.. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we?

Another southy classic.
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it.[/p][/quote]Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group. Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.[/p][/quote]You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered: Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Rotterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:3024ES Registrant Country:NL[/p][/quote].. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we? Another southy classic. freefinker

7:15pm Sat 3 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O





RG - Domain Informationnew
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RG
Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR)
Whois server whois.publicinterest





registry.net
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rg
Location US US, United States
City Seattle, WA 98144
Organization AMAZON.COM
ISP AMAZON.COM
AS Number AS14618
Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)
"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.
You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL
.. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we?

Another southy classic.
Here's the proof incase Southy questions it.
http://whois.domaint
ools.com/bilderbergm
eetings.org
[quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it.[/p][/quote]Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group. Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.[/p][/quote]You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered: Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Rotterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:3024ES Registrant Country:NL[/p][/quote].. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we? Another southy classic.[/p][/quote]Here's the proof incase Southy questions it. http://whois.domaint ools.com/bilderbergm eetings.org IronLady2010

7:18pm Sat 3 Nov 12

IronLady2010 says...

IronLady2010 wrote:
freefinker wrote:
IronLady2010 wrote:
southy wrote:
freefinker wrote:
southy wrote:
Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look.

BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O






RG - Domain Informationnew
Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O






RG
Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR)
Whois server whois.publicinterest






registry.net
Created 25-Nov-2009
Updated 31-May-2010
Expires 25-Nov-2012
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Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED
DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING.






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Host bilderbergmeetings.o






rg
Location US US, United States
City Seattle, WA 98144
Organization AMAZON.COM
ISP AMAZON.COM
AS Number AS14618
Latitude 47°58'39" North
Longitude 122°29'95" West
Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)
"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT???

And all the rest - WOT???

And the URL is?

Come on, I know you can do it.
Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group.
Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.
You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered:
Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Rotterdam
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code:3024ES
Registrant Country:NL
.. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we?

Another southy classic.
Here's the proof incase Southy questions it.
http://whois.domaint

ools.com/bilderbergm

eetings.org
Infact the server is in NL too, where did you get your info Southy??
[quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]IronLady2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]freefinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]southy[/bold] wrote: Oh Halla Baloo, This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look. BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Domain Informationnew Domain BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG [ Site Info Traceroute RBL/DNSBL lookup ] Registrar Key-Systems GmbH (R51-LROR) Whois server whois.publicinterest registry.net Created 25-Nov-2009 Updated 31-May-2010 Expires 25-Nov-2012 Time Left 901 days 4 hours 53 minutes Status CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED TRANSFER PROHIBITED DNS servers NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS1.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS2.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL NS3.VIRTUALBUILDING. NL 81.4.92.205 BILDERBERGMEETINGS.O RG - Geo Information IP Address 184.73.165.213 Host bilderbergmeetings.o rg Location US US, United States City Seattle, WA 98144 Organization AMAZON.COM ISP AMAZON.COM AS Number AS14618 Latitude 47°58'39" North Longitude 122°29'95" West Distance 9424.61 km (5856.18 miles)[/p][/quote]"This is your back ground web for your your link that you posted Take a long good look." WOT??? And all the rest - WOT??? And the URL is? Come on, I know you can do it.[/p][/quote]Its not a URL, its the background information of a link URL put up by Halla Baloo thinking it was the real thing, but it is not, it was done by some one with in the AMAZON.COM group. Bilderberg Group do not have a web site of there own, and it brings into question every link you and others have put up as being false information.[/p][/quote]You have given the location of the server. The domain name is registered: Registrant Street1:Kratonkade 9 Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Rotterdam Registrant State/Province: Registrant Postal Code:3024ES Registrant Country:NL[/p][/quote].. well, we don't actually expect him to know what he's doing, do we? Another southy classic.[/p][/quote]Here's the proof incase Southy questions it. http://whois.domaint ools.com/bilderbergm eetings.org[/p][/quote]Infact the server is in NL too, where did you get your info Southy?? IronLady2010

10:10am Sun 4 Nov 12

Cyber__Fug says...

11 Million url's for Bildenberg yet not 1 to support Southy's 1945 claim.... poor chap must be very disillusioned with the lack of correct information that gets posted on the web.....or.... just a little thought here Southy, you are wrong again ?????
11 Million url's for Bildenberg yet not 1 to support Southy's 1945 claim.... poor chap must be very disillusioned with the lack of correct information that gets posted on the web.....or.... just a little thought here Southy, you are wrong again ????? Cyber__Fug

11:58am Sun 4 Nov 12

rich the stitch says...

Cyber__Fug wrote:
11 Million url's for Bildenberg yet not 1 to support Southy's 1945 claim.... poor chap must be very disillusioned with the lack of correct information that gets posted on the web.....or.... just a little thought here Southy, you are wrong again ?????
I think you'll find southy is always right it's the work of hackers who gave nothing better to do than hack websites, changing the information to then contradict what he says. He's told us that in the past and I for one believe him.
[quote][p][bold]Cyber__Fug[/bold] wrote: 11 Million url's for Bildenberg yet not 1 to support Southy's 1945 claim.... poor chap must be very disillusioned with the lack of correct information that gets posted on the web.....or.... just a little thought here Southy, you are wrong again ?????[/p][/quote]I think you'll find southy is always right it's the work of hackers who gave nothing better to do than hack websites, changing the information to then contradict what he says. He's told us that in the past and I for one believe him. rich the stitch

8:32am Mon 5 Nov 12

Sir naggedalot says...

Georgem wrote:
user12 wrote:
Georgem wrote:
Sunnie wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?
Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.
There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..!
You're a permanent employee of your agency, not of Ford. Ford has no obligation to do anything for you. I'd be mightily surprised if your agency has, either. Best check your contract. You did read it, right?
Of course we read our contracts!
We always knew that we had no pensions or enhanced redundancy packages but for the Ford workers to get a loyalty payment on top, rubs salt into the wounds of losing our jobs.
If contractors weren’t allowed into the plant the place would of closed ten years ago as the union was choking the operation with its no can do attitude.
WE are not Agency but CONTRACTORS! Most as we can see do not understand the difference and have no understanding of how the plant works.
[quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]user12[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Georgem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sunnie[/bold] wrote: Fords and its contractors use lots of temps from agencies some of them have been there for a very long time and not taken on so what about them? They will end up with nothing except the gift of being unemployed. Is anyone going to look after them?[/p][/quote]Well, that's the nature of temp work. That's what it means, by definition. If the temp worker lifestyle isn't for you, don't be a temp worker. Simple enough.[/p][/quote]There's a difference between Temporary and Contracted: I am a contrator with a permanant role. The Company I work for employed me as a permanant member of staff to carry out a Ford function. I am paid a salary; Quite rightly it is the responsibility of my empolyer (not Fords) to help me by either deployment to another site or renumeration: As my Employer does not have any other South Coast operations the latter will be the only option. I have given a few years in this manner but will not receive the grand gestures that the Ford workers will. So my question is what is Fords & Mr Cameron doing to help their contracted permanent members of staff back into full time work. We've supported Ford's lets not forget One Ford when the goings good, but right now it appears united we stand divided we fall..![/p][/quote]You're a permanent employee of your agency, not of Ford. Ford has no obligation to do anything for you. I'd be mightily surprised if your agency has, either. Best check your contract. You did read it, right?[/p][/quote]Of course we read our contracts! We always knew that we had no pensions or enhanced redundancy packages but for the Ford workers to get a loyalty payment on top, rubs salt into the wounds of losing our jobs. If contractors weren’t allowed into the plant the place would of closed ten years ago as the union was choking the operation with its no can do attitude. WE are not Agency but CONTRACTORS! Most as we can see do not understand the difference and have no understanding of how the plant works. Sir naggedalot

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